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This is the Jocko Underground podcast number 204, sitting here with Echo Charles. We have some questions from you out in the field, and we are going to provide answers, recommendations, courses of action for you to help you on this little journey. That's what we're doing.
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If you're in just in a random part of a maze and you had four potential, like, ways to go, then magically you had somebody tell you of those four ways. Here's three things. Three ways you don't go, and this is the way you should go. I can't tell you the whole maze, but you should go to through this one corridor to start. That would be helpful.
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Yeah, it would be.
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That's kind of what you're doing.
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I thought you were asking me a question.
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No, no, no, I'm not. I'm just drawing a metaphor. Anyway, speaking of questions, first question, Jocko. What's the correct, quote, unquote, correct thing to do in this situation? My son had an E bike. His mother, my wife, left it on the front porch one night at a condo we were renting near the beach, and it got stolen. Since then, she'd been shopping around for replacement on offer up and other places. She then came across an E bike that we both believe is my son's that was stolen. The seller is not providing a charger, and he's in the same area it was stolen from. My wife wants to go buy it back from this person. The price is way lower than we got it for, so she sees it as. As sort of a quote unquote, dumb mistake tax. I want to go kill the guy, but I realize that's not the move. Besides, we're not 100% sure that it's the stolen bike. What we do. What would you do in this situation?
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Yeah, I understand that. That when someone steals, it's like a violation. And it's very. It's possible to get quite emotional about that because it is. It's like a violation. You had it on your condo. Like, this is part of your, you know, your area of control, and someone just went in there and took something from you that you worked hard to get right. So there you go. You can get all amped up about that and. But here's the thing. Detached perspective. Look, we want to get the bike back. We found. We located the bike. It's cheap. There's. So we're gonna end up paying some dumb, dumb tax. Right.
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Cool.
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We also aren't sure if this is the guy that stole it. Right. You know, did he. Did Someone else steal it, and they joy rode it for a while and then left it somewhere. And this guy picked it up. I was like, oh, you know, doesn't look like, did he buy that off of, you know, someone else for cheap? And now he used it for a little bit. Now he's selling it again. Or maybe he did steal it. And if he did steal it, this is like a real rookie move, putting it right back on offer up. Like, that's a rookie move. This is so it's kind of. It's kind of a suspect move to steal something from a local area and then put it immediately up because the cops, everyone's looking right there. So this is a rookie move. So that makes me question if it's actually the guy that stole it. You could check with the police, you know, and by the checking with the police, like, do you have a friend that's a cop off record, where you could say, like, hey, man, what do you recommend we do right now? I got this guy. Here it is. You could go to the guy like, yeah, hey, we want to buy that bike. Cool. Go and get their information, the Venmo or whatever, the Zell account. Like, you're gonna get their number to transfer that cash. Once you have that.
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Cool.
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Maybe then you say, hey, I don't, you know, cool, thanks for the bike. And then maybe you reverse or don't send the transfer of money through or something like that. And then show some pictures. Here's my son on this exact same bike. Where'd you get it from? We, you know, I think we need to call the police because I think you know what I'm saying? So you could escalate it that way. Now, look, you could also get shot doing that.
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Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying? So then you ask if it were somebody selling your bike back for 100 bucks. You're like, all that. So all that's a possibility. But even though it's a scenario where we want justice and revenge, the price of justice and revenge in this particular case, it's probably not worth it. It's probably like if you buy this bike back for 200 bucks. If you think about the amount of time and effort you will take filling out a form with the police and the court system and going to small claims court or whatever, criminal court to show press charges. Again, like, all this stuff, all this stuff, you know, this is not to mention you get shot, you get stabbed, you get hit in the head with a bike lock or something. Like, all that stuff's just drama. Or it's like 200 bucks, bro. The amount of things I would pay 200 to just get out of. You know what I'm saying? Just get it over with. Like when I was a member of the aaa. You know what that is?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Back in the day.
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And.
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And they would process your DMV stuff for you.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think it's all digital now, so I don't really, but I remember back in the day, you know, this is. I was in the Navy too. I wouldn't have an excess of money, but whatever. That AAA costs, like 49 a year or something like that to have them go do the DMV stuff all day. All day. So you want. You want. You give me the choice between paying 200 and having to go to the police station, fill out a court thing, and look, this guy deserves justice. All that stuff, he's going to get away with it. It's going to encourage him. Like all that stuff. Yeah, no, it's not going to change his life. His eyes not gonna be like, you know what? I think you're right. I was really a bad person when I did this. No, they're a dirtbag. They're a scumbag, and so they're not going to change. So I just don't think it's. It's worth all that. Now. You were to say, hey, man, just so you know, like, I know this is my bike. Here's the 200 bucks. I know this is my bike. You're an idiot. And I have your Venmo information. I'm going to report you to the cops. So if anything like this happens again, I'll see you later. You know, you want to do something like that where you kind of mitigate. Okay. But, yeah, I'm just looking at the ROI on this thing. The ROI is not solid. Hey, the emotional IR ROI of. Of capturing this guy and getting him busted and having him go to small claims court and having you reimburse, like, it's hard for me to. It's hard for me to rationalize this. When I look at it from a logical perspective, I'm just gonna do whatever I can to get this over with.
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Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. When you put it like that, it. It seems real clear. It's kind of like you just think, okay, what do I want? What do I want the outcome to be? Which is usually the question I would ask, but what. I want that. But then this one, it seems like, you know how you're. I'm imagining, like, you're in the situation. And it's like, your kids bike, too, you know? Yeah, this mother. But it's like, okay, cool. Okay, that's. Those are the facts, you know, like, what do you want the outcome to be? And then you got to kind of be realistic. I mean, what are you gonna do? Like, freaking cowboy western style? You're gonna go freaking shoot this? Yeah. Or like, you. Obviously, we're not gonna do that. And, you know, in your. The elements of your fantasy world probably aren't going to come to fruition. You got to understand that, you know, and then say, okay. And then just like, how you're saying, okay, is he gonna stab you or shoot you? Maybe, maybe not. But the. The fact that you have to kind of take that into consideration, that's a big cost right there. Especially when you compare it to the 100, $200, whatever that is. You see what I'm saying? So it's kind of like, in a
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way, what if he wants 500 to buy the bike back?
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, he didn't mention the price, but yeah.
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Yeah, you got to kind of mention them.
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So you got. You got to start to think, like, okay, if it's 500 now, I might be like, okay, yeah, let me give. Let me venue my. Let me get your phone number. And as soon as he gives me the phone number, like, hey, I'm actually not paying you. I'm calling the cops right now.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean?
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I guess really, though, as far as, like, really being in the situation, you got to find out if it's the. The bike.
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That's true, too.
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Like, but you look.
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But if it's stolen. If it's stolen, and you say, hey, listen, like, this is my bike, and here's the receipt where I bought it, and the serial numbers on the receipt, you can have.
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If there's some provable.
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Yeah, there should be some information. But I guess the main thing here. Detach. Don't get. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen to go to jockounderground.com and subscribe. And we're doing this. We're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control. And we are doing this so that we can support the Jocko podcast, which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way. But we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors, and we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us. And to do that, we are, we're building a website right now where we'll be able to utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us. So thank you. It's Jocko. Underground.com it costs $8.18 a month. And if you can't afford to support us, we can still support you. Just email assistance@jockounderground.com and we'll get you taken care of. Until then, we will see you mobilized. Underground.