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Podcast Host
You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast and pass them on to you. Perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's Walking Dead.
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Adam Thorne
You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.
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Podcast Co-Host
What a bizarre thing we've created now.
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Adam Thorne
With your host Adam Thorne.
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Listener
Might either be the worst podcast or the best one.
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Podcast Co-Host
One go.
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Podcast Host
Enjoy the show.
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Podcast Co-Host
Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we have Chamath Palahapatiya.
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Adam Thorne
Maybe that was a close. Great attempt.
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Podcast Co-Host
Thanks. A practice, been practicing. And Sean Ryan, the legend that is Sean Ryan. Really excited to have him on Rogan's podcast. I mean I've listened to a lot of Sean Ryan's podcasts and yeah, interesting guy, I can tell. You know, it's obvious to me why his show has got so big and he has just his own style that's solid. So to get these guys together I was like, oh, this is gonna be a good, good little chat. But yeah, back to Chamath. So one of the early execs there at Facebook, he was there from 2007-11. It's really like key time to be there. I think Facebook started like 2004 or something. So I mean by the time he got there they were really making some headway. I'm sure they paid him a bunch of stock and yeah, obviously he's worth a ton of money today. Billions plus. Originally born in Sri Lanka. So yeah, coming over to, I think he said he went to Canada first and then got to the U.S. but either way, I mean to be worth over a billion now would make him I think the wealthiest Sri Lankan person as far as I can tell.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. Let's see, what's his net worth?
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Podcast Co-Host
You gotta speak up.
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Adam Thorne
This is one of my favorite things to Google about people.
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Podcast Co-Host
Oh, net worth.
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Adam Thorne
What does it say? 1.2 billion.
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Podcast Co-Host
It's a lot of money.
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Adam Thorne
It's a lot of money.
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Podcast Co-Host
That's a lot of freaking money. Interesting guy too. Smart guy. Definitely a smart guy. He, they, they started their conversation just talking about Twitter and threads, you know, and what the difference is. I mean threads looks a lot like Twitter really. When it first came about I was like, what is this Twitter ripoff? Yeah, what are we doing?
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Adam Thorne
To be honest, I've never used Twitter. Never had one. Even with my work in marketing and social media, I just never got the appeal. Like, just felt like it was a lot of just people's like random thoughts. Like, I mean I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but when Facebook first came out like people would do that, they'd post like their statuses and like it was just like random streams of thought that people had and now it like comes up. It's very cringe worthy for me. Like comes up, up like oh, 12 years ago you posted this. I'm like, what was I, what was going through my head? I don't. Why did I feel the need to share this with the Internet? Right?
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Podcast Co-Host
You're like tired and gassy.
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Adam Thorne
Literally. I was just like the most random things, you know, I was, yeah, it was like new and exciting and like, oh, you get to share your thoughts with the Internet world, right? All these people. And now definitely my content's more curated, you know.
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Podcast Co-Host
You know when I stopped using it and I, I really didn't use Facebook very much at all. I was kind of a late adopted to it compared to some of my friends. I mean it was prime. I mean I was how old? 20, 22, 23. I mean that's like prime social media using age.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And it was newer.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
So everyone was on it and you know, I just couldn't believe how all of my friends were using this thing and they kept wanting to share things with me and I just never set one up. So eventually I did it. It's like 2006 probably. I was like, fine, I'll get this Set up. And all of a sudden there was this thing where you could poke people. And somebody that I knew, yes, somebody I knew from back in England, just, like, poked me. No message, no nothing. I didn't even know what it was. I asked my buddy Ash. I was like, what's this poking thing? They're like, oh, they're just like, you know, it's like they're thinking about you or whatever it was. I can't remember what he said. And I remember then just going, I don't think I'm gonna use Facebook anymore. I don't know why it bothered me that much, but it just like, I lost all interest and I basically never went back to it.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, the poking thing, I remember and it being like, when someone you'd like. It was like the first step after you added a friend, like a new friend that, like, you met through a friend of a friend or something. It was like if they wanted to interact with you, they'd poke you. Like, oh, hi. Like, I'm thinking, you know, they're. We should engage in some way with each other, right? Like through message messaging or tag me in some or whatever. Like, all the things you could do. But it's funny, you talk about, like, your age. I probably joined in 2007. I think I had to lie about my age. I think I lied. I think I was only, like, 11 and I said I was 13 or whatever the minimum was. And, you know, they. I had to. I didn't even have an email address. I had to, like, make an email address in order to get on Facebook. And I remember it being this, like, whole new world and going from my space, which I just got down, like, mastering my space, like, how to build my, you know, my page and all that, and all your top friends and all that. Like, then you go to this, like, whole new world that's Facebook and there's poking and there's messaging and there's like, you know, all this other stuff that's going on. And that was a very exciting time for me, I have to admit. But it evolved a lot over the years. And then they came out with Instagram in 2010, I believe was Instagram, I think.
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Podcast Co-Host
So.
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Adam Thorne
It's been around a while and. And that was like a kind of a game changer because it was like there was just like, less to manage. Like, your profile was less in depth. It was really more just like curated content, like, to like, paint this picture of who you were and the things you liked and. But the thing about Instagram is there's like a limit on your text, on like the amount of characters you can put. And you have to post an image, so you have to have that. And like the image is like the forefront of your post. And so then I think Threads has come along and it's been sort of like a hybrid between the two where it's like there's comments and there's, you can tag people and there's businesses and there's media outlets and there's all these things, but you don't have to have an image. You can have something to say and sort of post a supporting image, you know.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
And I kind of like it like, I like the dynamic like, like mix that's on Threads.
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Podcast Co-Host
Honestly, I, I think that Instagram is the most usable and easily usable social media. So it just takes the least amount of work. Yeah, right. And, and I, and, and I guess it, it TikTok's a bit like that too. I mean you can just consume, consume, consume, consume. But if you want to add back to TikTok, you've got to put a bit more energy in than if you do. Yeah, Instagram. Yeah, Instagram. I mean, we're all kind of taking pictures on our phones, so everyone has something to upload if you want, and if you don't want to, you can just look at everyone else's shit all the time. And I think Threads is. And I barely used it, but it's just trying to be a different type of version of that, you know, but more engaging in the kind of conversational aspect of it, like a bit of back and forth, like let's get some dialogue going over here. Yeah, but it's got a long way to go to get in the way of what Twitter is. I mean, Twitter users and the people that have delved hard into that, I mean, it's not as many people, I don't think, as Instagram again, because it's just so much easier to interact with without coming up with clever, pithy things to say. But there are a lot of people that are die hard Twitter.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And a lot of people use it to get their information to like see where the tide is going politically or where the winds are blowing. And, and yeah, I mean I can.
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Adam Thorne
See it when it comes to like even powerful platform, when you think of like disasters and things like that that are happening around the world, like you know, Hurricane Helene that just happened. It's like news outlets can post quick updates to something like Twitter without taking a photo and having like quality photo media content to go with it, it's like we don't necessarily need to see it, although it is quite eye catching when you see photos of what's happening. So that's where you can get the photos.
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Podcast Co-Host
You can put photos and videos on. Yeah, Twitter as well, but you don't have.
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Adam Thorne
Just don't have. And that's. Well, like, you know, from a marketer standpoint, like when you look at a business and okay, you have all these platforms that you can use Instagram, it's like, if you're not going to invest in high quality like videography and photography and like, you know, content, like in that sense, then Instagram doesn't work necessarily for you and your business. And that's where Facebook and Twitter possibly are better. So, yeah, I mean, they're all, they all have sort of this. Their own, like, audience. But I guess maybe I need to get on Twitter because I've never done it. I've never had one.
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Podcast Co-Host
It's an. It's interesting, I'll tell you that. And it's. And it's worth having and checking in on every now and again just to see where the energy is. Like, oh, what's everyone getting into? Yeah, right now. And you know, obviously you can kind of Google who are the top 30 accounts to follow to kind of really keep your finger on the pulse of like, what they're all discussing. Obviously Elon's one of the bigger ones, I'm gonna say. I'm sure he just broke 200 million followers on there. So he's the most followers on that top Twitter accounts. It's kind of leans into the next bit they were getting into is they. They were talking about kids in school today and how they don't really separate skill levels or gifted classes or, you know, in England we called them sets. So you'd be in set one if you were the best at math and there would be like maybe six sets of math that you could be in. And you know, it's like participation stuff. It's like we don't want kids to feel dumb or feel left out and. But it does take away from the type of education that you could get. I mean, I remember being really proud as a kid. I got put in the second set of German of three sets, and it was one of the few sets I wasn't in. Set one of I just wasn't that good at foreign language, so it was appropriate. But I remember working so hard all year, I told my teacher, I want to go to set one next year. And she said, all right. Well, this is what you'll have to do to get there. And I, like, put all the work in to get. I didn't even like Germany. I just didn't want to be in the second set. It annoyed me.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
So. Yeah, but. But it's like it kind of doesn't matter what your motivation is.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And some of what they're saying is like, oh, for example, like, California has some school things set up where they're not requiring, like, basic skills, you know, even being able to read after high school, because they, you know, they say it's like systemic racism or it's going to make people feel bad if they can't get there. How about we raise that standard or just figure out a better way to educate?
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Adam Thorne
Where did that get lost? Because, I mean, that used to be a huge part. I mean, you used to have to take reading comprehension tests. Like, so at what point did that become.
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Podcast Co-Host
I think the education just, you know, it was getting worse, or parents aren't spending as much time with their kids. Areas of the country that were poor getting either poorer or just, you know, kids are getting more and more distracted.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I was gonna say, I wonder at what point, you know, social media has played a role in that. And things like Instagram, where it's like, you can consume media with almost without reading anything. Like, you can consume news by watching a video of it rather than having to read about it. And.
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Podcast Co-Host
Well, you know, and I think in a lot of ways people are working more. Like, if you've got a single mother that has two jobs, she doesn't have time to come home and read with her kids. She's able to feed them, cook for them. And this isn't rare in the US it isn't rare. There's a lot of households are like this and it just takes a ton of this energy. So kind of going back to that specialization of classes, things like gifted classes and things like this, and potentially even the role that social media could play in this, you know, it's like, obviously social media is a bit of a break.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
It's not like education, but how China does tick tock is way more education for the kids. And here it's just dancing videos. Like, they actually make it different there, which is wild.
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Listener
Yeah. Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Well, they don't. They don't want to poison their own kids.
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Adam Thorne
Top, top Twitter accounts. We know Elon Musk is first. Guess who's second.
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Podcast Co-Host
Taylor Swift?
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Adam Thorne
No. Good, good guess. Barack Obama.
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Podcast Co-Host
Oh, Barack Bill.
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Adam Thorne
Cristiano Ronaldo. Who? I think he's the most followed person on Instagram.
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Podcast Co-Host
I believe so.
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Adam Thorne
And then number four is Justin Bieber. This is as October of 2024. Five is Rihanna. Five. Six. Katy Perry.
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Podcast Co-Host
Katy Perry, yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Seven. I mean, nothing against Katy Perry. No see her being up there necessarily Rihanna either, but I don't know. And then seven, I'm going to butcher this. Narendra Modi, 14th Prime Minister of India. And then number eight is Taylor Swift. Number nine is Donald Trump.
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Podcast Co-Host
Damn.
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Adam Thorne
Just beat her or he just, she just beat him like that much.
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Podcast Co-Host
That's interesting.
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Adam Thorne
And then 10 is Lady Gaga. Eleven is NASA. And then you know, there's some other really interesting ones in the top 50.
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Podcast Co-Host
But. Well, I think, I think that kind of says a little bit about what Twitter is as well because there you've got government institution, a prime minister for one, an ex president and two ex presidents, obviously celebrity singers.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And world class sportsman.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And then the richest guy in the world.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Who also owns that company.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
So, but, but I think with Instagram it's like just celebrities are at the.
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Adam Thorne
Top, but like these, these major news outlets. CNN is 21, New York Times is 24, BBC is 31. So it's like, you know, where, what, who, where's the most, you know, media coming from? It's not coming from like genuine media outlets. It's from these like individuals and celebrities. And anyway, I just find that stuff so interesting.
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Podcast Co-Host
I'm amazed that CNN is so high up there. You think, well, yeah, nobody's watching that.
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Adam Thorne
Crap anymore on Twitter.
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Podcast Co-Host
They're only popular on Twitter now. That's it. That's all they got left. Hilarious. That is, that's interesting. Well, I think that, I think back to, you know, that the kind of combined possibilities of what social media could become to be very useful is like a clearer education tool. Right? Yeah. And it's like we, it kind of is because we are getting our news from it whether we like it or not. And if they could clean that up, that would be the trusted destination for news. Twitter is for a lot of people. Instagram, you got to take it with a grain of salt because you don't know what you're getting and what's true. But there are people on there doing those little clip video news things now. I follow a few of them and they're getting better, they're interesting and they've got a lot of freedom, which makes fun. And you know, at what point, you know, how far could you expand with that? Maybe there could just be really interesting little pages that pop up that are just education. And, you know, this kind of goes back to, I think public education is failing a lot of kids. That's why they have these systems where kids are getting out of school and they can't read?
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And I think homeschooling is going to get more popular.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
It's just a theory, but I think people are going to start taking education into their own hands for their kids just through fear that their kids aren't going to figure it out.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. I mean, that being said, I also think the ability to homeschool is a privilege that not everyone is going to have either. So probably these same people you sort of hypothesized, okay, this. This single mother individual with two jobs, like, she's not able to help her kids even exceed, you know, succeed in public school. So, like, can that individual take on homeschooling or, like.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, 100%, you know, is that just.
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Adam Thorne
Is it going to create even more of a gap? As if homeschooling becomes more popular, will it just be more individuals that, you know, have the ability to even help their children succeed more so in public schools and they're just taking their children out of that.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
Environment, you know, And I mean, I'm not against any of the, like, any in any way. Like, I'm a big supporter of taking your children's education in your own hands. But, like, just not everyone has the ability to do that and are sort of at the will of the public education system.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
But yeah, that is so unfortunate that there's students coming out, you know, going into the world, into the workforce, hypothetically, who can do basic skills like read or, you know, arithmetic, and.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, I almost feel like AI teachers would be the way to go. Well, it's like, you need encouraging individuals. So if they filled the schools with encouraging individuals that did certain tasks, there's the principal that runs the school, you've got the office, you've got other things. But then maybe everything else is some sort of AI teacher that is infinitely patient, knows every student based on their ability to learn. Like, what they're likely to get stuck on and what they're not, they can spend extra time with them. Each student gets their own version of, like, their AI teaching avatar.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Because if you look at private schools, ones you pay for or just schools that get really good results, they're always classrooms with the fewer kids.
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Adam Thorne
Right. You know, and more technology, typically.
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Podcast Co-Host
And often kids that are at a similar level of intelligence so they can learn at a similar rate under the same lesson. Plan.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, that's a really interesting thought of, like, you know, what could AI do to actually accelerate our knowledge as a race? You know, like. Like you're saying, like, being tailored to each individual, but, like, think about those students that do excel and can be leaps and bounds ahead of their peers in certain, you know, in certain curriculums, like in mathematics or.
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Podcast Co-Host
Well, think about what a teacher could notice. So take for example, this hypothetical teacher, really good teacher who cares a lot about his students, notices that one of his students is slightly, a lot brighter than the others. Spends the time to kind of test that out at the maximum end of it, just to see, like, give him math problems that are far beyond what he's capable of, but just see where he can go with it. I mean, that, in a sense, is a very unusual teacher, someone you would hope is teaching your kids. They're the type of teachers that really change the game. And in my experience of all the different schools that I went to, I don't even have more than three or four, including university of professors or teachers that stood out that I actually cared for. Most of them were shitty.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, I was going to say, if I have to think about teachers that stood out for me, it was mostly teachers that I didn't get along with or that I didn't feel supported by. You know, it was like I was. Everyone else was sort of average, but there was definitely those that stood out that were bad, really bad teachers, you.
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Podcast Co-Host
Know, or bad, bad human beings, mentors.
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Adam Thorne
You know, where it's like someone who, like, I will say I was. I think school naturally was. Was kind of easy for me, but I was so bored all the time and just so, like, hyperactive. And I never wanted to sit still. And like, you could give me any and any project to do that didn't involve sitting down and I would get 100%. I didn't even have to, like, listen to the lesson or read the book. Like, I just, like, got it. But then you asked me to sit down and like, write a paper or do like an essay test type thing. And like, I just physically couldn't sit and finish it. And so there were teachers that just didn't support that. And then there were the ones that, you know, kind of got it and gave you some options. And those, I think were where I felt comfortable. But there were never really any teachers that stood out to me as someone that was like, tailoring my education to my learning style.
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Podcast Co-Host
Well, that's, that's a good point to make because I think that's Common for a lot of people. You didn't exactly go to necessarily bad schools either. It just was the result of the hand that you're dealt. Yeah, well, now imagine if no teachers ever give a shit about you. And the example I just gave, the teacher there only noticed the gifted person because he stood out as the smartest.
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Listener
Right.
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Podcast Co-Host
But imagine if there was someone middle of the table and that could be your kid. Right. It's just middle of the table. They also need their own tailored person. You know, some teacher that takes like an unusual interest in their ability to do something. Yeah, they just won't stand out like that. The resources will never exist. But if you have your little AI teacher that just you log into, you interface with it could identify, oh, these are the areas that they're really strong. They could graph it out or have their everything's a computer program. So it's just like, okay, they're really strong here, they're weak here, this isn't good. So let's give them the minimum here. They're also not interested at all in anything that's not X, Y and Z. So let's really promote those things. And it's a very personalized, tailored process. I think that you would get great results from even a very unexceptional student if they were given that kind of input. And I feel like we're close to it. I feel like it's a possibility.
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Adam Thorne
So what I just did a search was the cost per, you know, the funding needed per student per, you know, in the United States in 2022, it rose from 14, 000 to 15, 633 per student per school year. And that includes like, you know, all the overhead and the teachers. And so like, think if they put $5,000 even a year into each student in terms of equipment. Like, you know, obviously with AI, you have to have more technology and things like that, but less physical teachers. The unfortunate part is it does take away jobs in that sense, but they can evolve. Right. Like, but, you know, a third even of the cost that we're putting into public education system now could go towards these like, programs that help, you know, the hardware and the software to teach students at a tailored individual level.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
And it could be significantly better. And you know, you.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, and imagine if you could add to it. So like, you have your standard curriculum that all kids need to learn, like basic math, English, whatever. They've got to learn these certain things, some science, some civics, religious studies, whatever it is. They have the basic core. And then the teacher I mean, the student or the student's parents could even tailor it a little bit in a direction that they decide for themselves.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
So let's say this student really likes science, or the parents really want this student to be an engineer or a lawyer or a doctor, then they could steer a bit of their program. It doesn't mean that they're doing med school work in high school.
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Listener
Right.
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Podcast Co-Host
But they're leaning towards that kind of thinking and curriculum.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Whereas conversely, you still have, you know, your basic classes met, but maybe one student and their parents agree, hey, they're going to be a mechanic and own, like, they're going to do like, maybe, you know, plumbing or they're going to. They're going to be like, own a construction company.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
So then they could tailor it in a slightly different way.
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Adam Thorne
Right.
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Podcast Co-Host
And just kind of lean a little bit into that direction.
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Adam Thorne
So another search I did. Countries that are already using AI in education, China, Japan and the Republic of Korea and Singapore are already integrating AI focused curriculum for schools. So let's watch those countries. Let's see what they're doing and how it affects, you know, how it benefits.
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Podcast Co-Host
Or jump on and get going. Like, what do we have to wait a generation to find out they've made a shitload of geniuses and now we're like, why is everyone so dumb in this country?
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Adam Thorne
Well, you know, it's like, would be.
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Podcast Co-Host
Too dumb to figure it out. The next little bit that they got into was kind of the food differences in America and maybe the rest of the world and just kind of like what it's like to live in food deserts and the rest of it. So we're going to play a bit of a clip from this.
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Chamath Palahapatiya
If you look at a picture of me in Sri Lanka, I look like old Dave Chappelle. I was like this. I was just a total stick figure within one year of being in North America, in this case in Canada. When you look at the school pictures, I was fat and my parents were making the same things because they wanted to have that comfort of what they were used to. So I don't know if it was the food supply or not, but, you.
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Listener
Know, it has to be.
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Chamath Palahapatiya
It has to be.
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Listener
It has to be. And everybody says the same thing.
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Chamath Palahapatiya
And then my whole family has struggled with it, you know, so I think that there's something. And then when I go now to Italy, as a different reference example, it's like, it's the best shape of my life.
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Listener
Yeah, it's completely different. Even when you eat things like Pizza over there, you don't feel like you ate a brick. If I've eaten pizza here, and I love it, but when I'm over, I'm like, oh, what did you do?
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Chamath Palahapatiya
What did you do?
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Listener
Like, you ate a brick. But over there, it's just food. It tastes great. The pasta doesn't bother you? Nothing bothers you. It's just whatever they're doing. And there's many things. There's one of them. They're not using enriched flour.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah. I mean, we can add to that. We've heard this before. At the moment, we're in Portugal, and I think that we go out and get bread or pizza or pasta, and we've noticed we're not as tired. It just doesn't weigh you out in the same way.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And we were talking the other way. You had to. You mean, you probably eat less and you burn more calories just to get your food. You know, we don't have a car while we're here, so we have to walk a mile, get your food, put it on your back in a backpack and walk it back to you. So whatever you decide to consume, like, there's that. So I think there's some mindfulness that comes into it as well, and some just, like, general activity difference. But you're 100% right. The food itself doesn't make you feel as bad as you do when you eat it in the US like going to a bakery. It's like the pastries are not covered in powdered sugar and chocolate, and they're sweet just enough, but it's like, they're very light and refreshing almost. And, yeah, the.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, you can eat a donut here. Not need a nap.
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Adam Thorne
No. Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Like, you really can.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And there's, like, some of the croissants we've had, too. I mean, they're like heavy, buttery pastry.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Like, that's all the worst stuff. That should just make you feel completely wrecked.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And I can eat, like, four of them here, and I'm like, I feel pretty good. We could. We could jog. But it was interesting, that example that he gives, because he was like, you know, we came from Sri Lanka, and I lived in Sri Lanka for a year. Beautiful country, incredible place. One of my, like, some. Some of the best time in my life. And the food's often brilliant. It's amazing. You got to be careful. Like, coming from the west, we can get sick quite a bit with, you know, if you eat some of the street food or we just not ready for kind of like, the impact of what it hits. But the flavors are amazing. Just the stuff they do with it, incredible. And for them to go to Canada and then be like, oh, we want to make the same stuff. We. They probably found their Sri Lankan community and, you know, knew how to kind of source some of the ingredients, yet it was the American version of it.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And they were all gaining a shitload of weight.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
I mean, it kind of makes sense that if you just eat rice all the time, you would get big. But people in Sri Lanka do not. People in Asia are not big. They eat rice all the time.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yet you do any carb loading in the US and it's just blob city. It just happens.
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Adam Thorne
A great way to explain it.
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Podcast Co-Host
It's just a completely different thing.
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Adam Thorne
And, yeah, I think almost anyone that spent time, you know, in a European country or really any other country besides the United States, maybe Canada, I don't. I don't know. I've never actually been to Canada. But you would say that you feel different when you eat.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
In another country. Like, you just don't feel as. As you don't feel weighed down after you.
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Podcast Co-Host
Math says something really interesting. He said, really, what started to happen is the big cigarette companies bought into the food industry in the US and they basically used some of the same scientists that made cigarettes as absolutely addictive as possible. And they went, let's make food as addictive as legally possible so that it gives them. Gives you the best feeling immediately and makes you want it the most again. And we're not concerned about health at all. We're just trying to put things in that won't get us sued.
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Adam Thorne
It's gross.
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Podcast Co-Host
And that's kind of how they went about it. And they did. They're really good at it. They're really good at making things addictive. And often things that are addictive for whatever reason are very toxic to us. And that's an actual thing that happened.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
In the States, and I think we've been paying for it for how many years? 40, 50 years or whenever they did this.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, we had Eminem's the other day, and it was the same thing. It was like, the colors aren't even as vibrant as they are in the United States. They just don't. It's just not as sweet. They're not as candy coated. Like. Oh, you can physically, like, see the difference when it comes to, like, processed foods here, that they're just not done the same way and more mindful of what is going into the consumer's bodies and, you know.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah. Was it. Isn't that, like, one of the slogans, like, it doesn't melt in your hands? Was that Eminem?
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Adam Thorne
I don't know.
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Podcast Co-Host
It's like one of the candies, I think.
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Adam Thorne
Maybe, but truly, it's like, you know, like, you can't. They don't have red. There's no red. Because you don't. They don't allow red dye. You know, like, you can get like, an orange Eminem, but there's no red Eminem in Europe.
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Podcast Co-Host
Huh.
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Adam Thorne
So it's just interesting to me. Like, it just makes me feel like, oh, I can just go eat whatever I want, which obviously I still try to not do, but, you know, I just. You just don't feel as gross. I think it's pretty cool.
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Podcast Co-Host
There we go.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. The fact that cigarette companies are involved in our food is absolutely disgusting. And I think that that's where, like, the Food and Drug Administration should draw the line, in my opinion. You know, they need to have some regulation as to, like, you know, companies that have products that have these, like, major warnings about health and, like, how deadly they are should absolutely not have anything to do with our food production. And. And they should be highly, highly regulated on anything that they produce. More so than they are, obviously.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
But they. They should. There should be a bit like a. Like a conflict of involvement type, you know, issue with them legally that they. They can't be involved.
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Podcast Co-Host
I just looked it up. By the late 1940s, M&MS. Were widely available to the public. The popular slogan, it melts in your mouth, not in your hands was trademarked in 1954.
- [34:52]
Adam Thorne
I never heard that.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, that's the slogan for M M's. And, you know, my guess would be a shitload of all kinds of wacky chemicals stopped the chocolate melting. And it's not just that sugary coating. It's a lot of other wacky stuff. Anyway, yeah, Chamath was excellent. Smart guy, interesting dude.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, it was really, really interesting to listen to.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah. I want to keep. Keep my eye out for more of that guy's stuff. Okay. Jumping over to Sean Ryan again. Big fan of Sean Ryan. So great to see these guys together. Yeah. Where do we even start the.
- [35:31]
Adam Thorne
He said some big stuff. I feel like.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, yeah, they got into it. You know, remember, Sean has been doing podcasts for years. He has a wealth of knowledge from all kinds of different people coming in. Obviously Rogan the same thing. So really, this was like two podcast masters just kind of linking up and sharing kind of what their experience has been. And, yeah, it was, I will say.
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Adam Thorne
Like, you know, kind of starting to tune in to Rogan in the last couple of years. That's what's always interested me about his podcast in general is, like, just the diverse amount of, like, people and guests that he has on. And I'm like, gosh, can you imagine how much he's learning and how much his mind just spins with all these things?
- [36:20]
Podcast Co-Host
Imagine having access to absolutely anybody that you would ever want to communicate with.
- [36:27]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
- [36:28]
Podcast Co-Host
And you know what?
- [36:29]
Adam Thorne
I want to know about this. Let's find the bleeding expert.
- [36:31]
Podcast Co-Host
So here's what's really cool about this. So Jay Leno, they used to do the Tonight show late or the late night. Yeah. Anyway, so Jay pretty much openly didn't give a fuck about most of those guests. He really didn't. He didn't choose them. They were always whoever the PR person or publicist or, you know, was like, these people are big at the moment, and they've got a book or they've got this and that. So Jay has to, like, pretend to be interested in them. And it's one thing Rogan always said. He's like, I won't. Nobody picks my guess.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Like, right now, he even has a policy that's just personal to him, but he won't even get someone on the show if one of his friends says, hey, you've got to have this guy on the show.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Like, he's. He's made. Because his whole life would be people telling him who to have on the show if he allowed it.
- [37:22]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
So now he's like, I just have who I want, and I do. I think it's a. It's kind of like one of those ideological things to say, like, oh, yeah, it sounds really cool that you say this, but of course, you still want the people on that give you the most downloads. I really don't think that's true. If you look at his top downloaded podcasts, like, the top 20 of Rogan, you know, it's Elon, it's Bob Lazar. I think they've got Graham Hancock in there, Randall Carlson, Russell Brand, one up there, obviously, Alex Jones. But it's difficult for Rogan have Alex on anymore. You know, he has these, even Joey Diaz. But he could just keep having those guys on a lot more, or at least some of them, if it was all about hits. But he have a lady on that specializes in beekeeping, you know, and there's no way he did that.
- [38:22]
Adam Thorne
You never hear someone more enthusiastic about beekeeping than Joe Rogan interviewing someone about beekeeping.
- [38:27]
Podcast Co-Host
Well, he wants. Wants to know how it works.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I enjoy his enthusiasm so much about anything and everything and his excitement over, like, some of the little things. But he gets it in his head that, like, he wants to know about this or he finds someone that, like, sparks his interest and he dives in for three and a half hours. He dives into that.
- [38:46]
Podcast Co-Host
Well, here's what I would say. And I would challenge anybody. And, you know, not that people listen to this. Wouldn't like Rogan. So I'm only talking to the choir because these are only Rogan fans.
- [38:56]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
But the next time you're having a conversation with someone and they're like, I don't fucking care for that Joe Rogan guy, be like, okay. When was the last time you had a conversation with somebody for three hours and let them primarily only talk about what they were interested in?
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
You didn't bring up what you like.
- [39:15]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Though Rogan probably will bring up a elk meat a couple of times.
- [39:19]
Adam Thorne
Hunting and.
- [39:20]
Podcast Co-Host
Yeah.
- [39:22]
Adam Thorne
And his Tesla. And all of a sudden always comes back.
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Listener
Yeah.
- [39:26]
Adam Thorne
You have. This is a few common threads.
- [39:29]
Podcast Co-Host
Yeah. He's like, real quick, the pyramids, like, damn it, Rogan. But. But seriously, think about it. He does this like four or five times a week.
- [39:37]
Listener
Yeah.
- [39:37]
Podcast Co-Host
And it's. He gives him three hours. He could change all of his podcasts tomorrow to one hour.
- [39:45]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
He would do the same amount of podcasts per week, but now they're only one hour long. And just as many people would listen to him. And he'd make just as much money, but he wouldn't get to the bottom of what he's trying to figure out from these people. His sweet spot is that he's figured out three hours and almost no one else can do that. No one else even gets time to have a conversation.
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Adam Thorne
I want to talk to you for three hours.
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Podcast Co-Host
We barely do 45 minutes on this. I'm already like, God, I wish I could just be on my phone right now. But it's so true.
- [40:21]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And you know, I've tried. I think I did like an hour 50 once. That was like the longest part I ever did. And it was for another buddy show. And I straight up needed a piss, like, three times.
- [40:36]
Adam Thorne
Well, yeah.
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Listener
Well.
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Adam Thorne
And Joe just does. He's like, I gotta go pee.
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Podcast Co-Host
Well, but that's. That's new, though.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
I mean, seriously, for like a decade, he was a world class champion. He never went. But what, what he. I think he started to realize is his guests felt pressured.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And they were like literally on the verge of pissing themselves. Yeah, well, there's a lot going on. It's not just that it's a long time. There's pressure there.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
You know, your body's kind of excited.
- [41:03]
Adam Thorne
Especially if you're not used to being on a podcast. Right. And knowing what his audience, the, the volume of people that listen, you're like, oh my gosh, it's like the hundreds of thousands of people gonna listen to this and oh, and I have to pee. And I have to pee, so it's fine.
- [41:16]
Podcast Co-Host
Exactly. Yeah. And you're trying to kind of keep a really solid thought, but all you can do is get close to peeing.
- [41:24]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, it's.
- [41:25]
Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, it's pretty ugly. One thing that they started out with that really stood out to me is that something like a third of drugs that come to the market get recalled. And I think it was like five years, I can't remember. But that's scary stuff.
- [41:42]
Adam Thorne
That is scary.
- [41:43]
Podcast Co-Host
Well, it's either recalled or like some new warning label.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
But I think it highlights just how well one, when new drugs come to the market, you should chill out on taking them until they've been tested. You know, it takes a while. We have a lot of checks and balances, but it seems like not enough.
- [42:01]
Adam Thorne
Right.
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Podcast Co-Host
And ultimately it seems like these drugs are like whatever your ailment is, you should do your best to be like, okay, now it's time to take it seriously. And I'm just going to like eat right or act right or kind of work around it. Now obviously that's not possible for every medication, but it is for the majority of the ones people take, right? Like a huge majority.
- [42:26]
Adam Thorne
Well, when, when I think about those types of things, like the alternative to taking a prescription medication, like even say, my parents, you know, they're aging, they're in their 60s, they're, you know, they have these problems. They have some pre existing conditions, they have some health, you know, family history things. And it's like, did their doctor say, I, I implore you to spend six months doing all of the other things that could help eliminate the need for this medication before prescribing it? Probably not. They, the doctor was probably just like, oh, yep, just take this and it'll fix your issues.
- [43:02]
Podcast Co-Host
Oh, people. Doctors will hand out statins like nobody's business.
- [43:08]
Adam Thorne
Keep doing what you're doing.
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Podcast Co-Host
Blood pressure is a little high while.
- [43:11]
Adam Thorne
You'Re sitting and here, take this medication. And then you come to find out five, 10 years later that there's all these side effects or these like recalls on it. And you know, there's obviously there's nothing that's going to be a negative side effect of eating right and exercising more. It's all going to be positive. So like, why is that not the first line of defense?
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Podcast Co-Host
Imagine, imagine if the policy was this. They basically scare the shit out of you with this medication.
- [43:36]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
They're like, let me read the side effects. Explosive diarrhea, blood in your poo, stroke, vomiting, cross eyed, way dumber. Like whatever it is. Right. Just horrible things. Spasms in your hand, your hair falls out, your nose falls off. So they read all this and then they're like, this is what happened to you. But it will lower your blood pressure. I'm going to put you on this in a month if you don't change some things. And here's some things you can do in that month.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And I need to see this number lower.
- [44:10]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Right. This isn't a threat or whatever. You can just get on the medication anyway. But instead of being like, oh, this medication is good and we'll fix it all.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Say this medication is not good for you for many things.
- [44:23]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Even though it will lower your blood pressure. But here's how you do it without being on this and therefore having all this other shit happen to you.
- [44:31]
Listener
Yeah.
- [44:31]
Podcast Co-Host
Like liver damage, kidneys, whatever. And then it's like, go away, eat slightly better, a little less, go for a jog, you know, a walk, whatever. You just do some things for one month and if you come back and the numbers are low enough, I won't put you on it. And we continue this path of like, you can now try some other things. Why that's important is it still gives people that can't be bothered and will never change their bad habits. It doesn't pressure them into anything other than waiting that month and then they still get their medication. But it gives so many other people a chance to make real positive changes in their lives. And then it's really empowering. Right. It doesn't empower the doctor, it empowers the patient to be like, holy shit, I can make changes, I can work out, I can eat better, I can drink less and you know. Yeah, just be a bit healthier.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean obviously there is an important level of like, we need these, these medications. Well, I think some of them are needed in our world. There's people that have these serious, you know, medical conditions and like, these are life saving drugs sometimes. So don't get me wrong, I don't say that there's no place for them. I just. What is the first line of defense? Is it go to like the extreme level of like take all the risk and like have all these potential side effects? Or is it here is like the first, you know, like saying like exercise, eat better, do it for six weeks, do it for eight weeks or whatever it takes to start seeing some change and some changes in your lifestyle to get you to the place you want to be over the long term. And this can sort of help but just like giving someone solution, you know, or a pill, a magic pill, you know, to fix all of their problems. It's like it's not actually going to fix the problem, it's just going to cover it up anyway.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, it's just scary stuff. Scary stuff. Talking about scary stuff. Trump is now had two assassination attempts. They really don't talk about either in the news. Yeah, it's like I think the first one was just way too big of an eye opener to media to realize, holy shit, if we talk about this a lot, this is going to give Trump a lot of support. However, there's been two potential. One very real shot him in the ear. The other one looked pretty fucking real too. And how is this not more talked about? I mean if this was Joe Biden or Harris, it would be all you'd hear about every day for sure. Because that it's kind of what should be happening, that I wouldn't be surprised if that happened to Harris or Biden. And then it's all the media talked about because it's a big deal, it should be talked about. Our leaders should not or people running for leadership should not be put in the way of.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, you know, I don't disagree that like if he, if they were in the exact same position that they still might not be. Like it still may be different. Right. Like they still maybe talk about it on a different scale. But you know, the way I see it is he is not the sitting president or vice president. So I mean it's I, and I also don't necessarily see the second attempt as like a full on attempt. I think it was like sort of, you know, heightened awareness and sort of like people being on edge and obviously like not acceptable, shouldn't have the intention to harm anyone ever. I'm not a believer in that. But I think maybe it was more just like someone wanting sort of attention for themselves but not really hoping to make that attempt. But I'm no expert. That's just when I Look at all of the circumstances of both situations. The first one was very obvious and there was a big deal for like 24 hours and then it sort of died out. And you're right. If it was an attempt on the current sitting president, regardless of who it was, I do think that there would be more talk about it. Or the current sitting vice president.
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Podcast Co-Host
But also, he was a president once too.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
There's been no attempts on retired presidents in our history. If it would be a big deal if it was any president.
- [48:56]
Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
Like if someone tried to shoot Clinton and he hasn't been president for a long time, it would be a big news deal. It would be a big deal.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
I mean, these people, whether you like them or not, they represented.
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Adam Thorne
Do you know what is the. If. What is like the, the criminal, like, charge? Is it different if you try to assassinate a former president versus a sitting president?
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Podcast Co-Host
Oh, I doubt. No, I doubt it. I mean, I don't think it would be any different than like a regular murder charge, but there also might be like, treason. I was gonna say, like charges in there.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
You know, they could be something like that. I'm not sure. I mean, it's. Look, listen, it's a big deal.
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Adam Thorne
Of course.
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Podcast Co-Host
You can't be. You can't be taking out like the world leader of America or even the X version of it. I mean, even. I guess. I guess the big feeling is like, it's kind of shocking to me that there was a more outrage even from the Biden side. It's like if there's one thing all the President's going to agree on is that it's an unusual position to hold. And it's a. It's a sacred one in a lot of ways. And it's one that they're all uniquely bound to, even if they fought with each other or have different opinions. It's like you got to be the president. That's very rare. Within your lifetime, how many presidents or ex presidents could be alive?
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Adam Thorne
Right, right.
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Podcast Co-Host
Not many. Maybe four, five. Yeah, we've. Carter's just about die and then who else? So that was like. I mean, Reagan's gone, George Senior's gone. We've got Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, Trump. So that's six.
- [50:49]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, I was going to say six or eight, but yeah, I mean, I think it just depends also. People are longer. So.
- [50:55]
Podcast Co-Host
Yeah. Hold the mic closer to your face.
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Adam Thorne
People are living longer.
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Podcast Co-Host
No, no, that's true. You know, so maybe we will start getting more. But just my point is, it's like if it's a select club, it's like, you know, the ultimate fraternity group. And they. They all have this, like, unique understanding of what that position is. And, you know, to have people coming out and trying to kill one of them, it's like, hey, hey, hey, this. This club is unkillable. You don't get to do this. Yeah, it just seems like a big deal to me. And I. And I can see why they thought the same thing. Like, glossing over it is. Is not a good move. But what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Joe did talk a little bit on this about his move to Spotify. I mean, they talked about censorship. You know, Sean Ryan knows a little bit about it. Obviously, YouTube likes to demonetize things, so there's problems there. Joe had been to dinner with some top execs at YouTube and from that conversation realized that they didn't share his philosophy on things because they had demonetized one of Sam Harris's conversations just because he basically spoke factually about something and they didn't like it and they didn't really look into it. It was just like, oh, he's known for being this way. So we just. It was best to do this. And, you know, Joe learned a lot from it. And when Spotify came to him, he was like, well, a big payday, you know, it ended up being something around 200 million. Even though at first we heard 100, but there was some back end stuff. 200 million. And everyone had to resubscribe to his show, which was a ballsy ass move. When he did that, I was like, whoa, that's brave. Because he already has, with a podcast, you have a thing called an RSS feed. It's like your URL. It's like your fingerprint. He made a new one, so he kept the other one that was massive. And everyone was subscribed to, but didn't post anything for the whole time he was on the exclusive Spotify deal. And everyone had to then go over to Spotify and sign up. And no one had ever tried that, especially him being the biggest. But he said, honestly, I wanted to become kind of. I wanted a shitload of money. Which is not only reasonable, but I believe it, because who would say no to that? And that's obviously what he wants. The bit that's harder to believe is saying I wanted to be less famous. But everything lines up with that being true. Yeah, it just seems to. It's like, why would you make that?
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Adam Thorne
You want to see how famous he actually was? Like, could he have done that. And it. And it worked out just as well.
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Listener
Right.
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Adam Thorne
Like, was he famous enough that, like, that change didn't actually affect his viewership?
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Podcast Co-Host
Don't get me wrong. I think that if he had gone over to Spotify, taken all that money and his numbers plummeted, he wouldn't feel very good about it.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
However, he was so big, if he was just probably like floating around the top three, I think he'd be okay with that.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
The fact is, now he is like in the stratosphere since COVID of fame. Now he's gone back to YouTube, iTunes, the rest of it. I mean, he's probably looking at. I wouldn't be surprised if he hit like 40 million plus downloads, maybe 30 million views per episode. I mean, that's absurd.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
I mean, that could be. That's. It could be a hundred million in a week.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
I mean, which honestly, I think he was possibly doing before. He doesn't release the numbers, so it's hard to know. But like, you can look at YouTube numbers and the clip numbers, you can kind of gauge some things from there, like what's likely.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
And then they do have charts, so they do release where he is on the charts, which is, you know, always high. So it's. It's just absurd. Level of fame. And also, I think, you know, an interesting move. But the point was that he did it because he didn't like the way itunes worked. He didn't like the demonetization, you know, and. And I think. I think it's good to be at a pushback like that because so many people are like, kind of enslaved to it. Really.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Podcast Co-Host
They're stuck there. They just got to put up with it. Yeah. So there's that and. Oh, the last bit that I wanted to get into is they were talking about just kind of like the supply chain of things, everything since COVID That's reason, you know, Sean really started to distrust what's going on in the US and he kind of like, basically the US lost a good patriot because of the frustration of the behavior of things there. Our supply chains for goods fell to pieces because we realized we get everything from China, you know, different places, but a lot from China. And they're making a ton of our stuff. So, you know, should they be. And if they are, which they are, how much of it is like bugged with freaking their malware. Oh, dangerous.
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Adam Thorne
Scary thought.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah. Not good, right?
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Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, it's so hard, like, try to picture life without anything. It's made in China. It's like you can't, I mean, everything from our phones to the air filters that we have. Right. Like, I mean, literally everything is manufactured over there to some extent. I mean, I think you can buy things manufactured in other countries, but they, there's like not anything that they like don't manufacture. And it's sprinkled all throughout our homes, in our communities and, and yeah, I mean there's no telling the, the reach that they have on our and the grasp they have on our economy and our just daily like day to day life here in our country. Oh, that's a scary thought that they could, you know, have some manipulative power over us in that way.
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Podcast Co-Host
Yeah, yeah. Like they can literally turn off our power grid tomorrow because they, you built all the transformers, you know, or they know exactly how to just destroy it. I mean, it's terrifying stuff. It really is. But yeah, that's it. Well, that's it for this week. Yeah. Sean Chamath. Solid and yeah, I don't know what else to say. Anything else.
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Adam Thorne
I think that's it.
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Podcast Co-Host
That's it.
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Adam Thorne
Tired of talking about that.
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Podcast Co-Host
All right, talk to you guys next week. Love you all. Later.
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