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Adam Thorne
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Joe Rogan
Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast and pass them on to you. Perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's walking Dead.
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Adam Thorne
You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created now.
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Co-Host
With your host Adam Thorne.
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Joe Rogan
Might either be the worst podcast or the best one. Go enjoy the show.
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Adam Thorne
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Elon Musk
Like, you know, maybe like a couple of years of pay would be good and then they could take a vacation. They could take it, take another job and get double pay. I mean it's like, it's not like a. It's not going to create an economic crisis. I think it's actually going to be really good, I think because people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings.
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Joe Rogan
The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30 year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, no, you have to go out and compete in the free market. You're like, that's, that's scary to people. But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable. Yeah, yeah.
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Elon Musk
I mean, let's look at like, you know.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, there we go. That's Elon Musk sitting down with Joe Rogan. We're here to review it. And that's, that's Elon talking about his efficiency program that he wants to do under Trump. There's going to be some tough days ahead, potentially. He is going to find jobs that, that he thinks is, are redundant in the government. He's laying out his ideas for packages for what they would get maybe two years of pay so they can get double pay or just take a vacation, take a break, get the resume together, go figure something else out. But that, you know, they end with an important point. They've got to be valuable. You know, working for the government isn't the same as the private sector. Maybe they, many of these people won't be ready. It's, it's interesting. But anyway, Elon and Joe got into everything on this podcast, really. I mean, very much centered around the election, of course, but Elon talks about video games, Twitter, government spending, even Peanut the Squirrel managed to make its way in there. And, you know, it's full of some of his predictions and dare I say theories, slash conspiracy theories towards what is happening with these parties in this election right now. So, yeah, really cool conversation. Let's get into it. They open up by talking about how Elon is one of the best players in the world, a game called Diablo, which is very difficult to achieve. That's a popular game.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I looked at the list of the top 20 because I was like, maybe this is just bullshit and some weird brag, like weird nerd brag. Turns out from the accounts that I saw, yes, he's on there. And I just went over to ChatGPT and I was like, what kind of time commitment would it take to be that good at a game and therefore be in the top 20 list? And ChatGPT estimated between 40 and 60 hours of gameplay per week to be rated, ranked that high. There's no way that Elon can put that time in. No way.
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Co-Host
No way.
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Adam Thorne
So he's just that good that he can just play a few hours and still be ranked that high. It seems like an unusual thing. I mean, listen, is it that surprising? Elon is already fairly unusual guy. You know, it's pretty undeniable. He's quite talented. But. But yeah, some. Some like, unusual skill sets this guy has, for sure. And, you know, going to video games, they discussed how there's. There's value in video games for him, and it kind of calms him down. It's a way to escape because of concentration. He has to put all his thoughts into it. So it's like gets him away from. God, the amount of stress that guy must have, you know, and it also gives him some feedback, like, how tired am I? How well rested am I? Am I functioning well? Because he can. He can see from his gameplay like, I'm just not on my. Not on task right now. And, you know, and they even mention a study that has surgeons being something like 30% more effective or making 30% less errors.
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Co-Host
Yes, something like that.
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Adam Thorne
If they play some video games. That's. That's phenomenal. All surgeons need to be playing video games. Yeah.
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Co-Host
That was so interesting to me. I mean, I'm not super familiar with the video game world. I found it, you know, of course, interesting that Elon one, that he uses his real name on the games. Like everyone else seems to have, like, some like, you know, name. Like, you know, game name.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, no, he does. He has his game name, but it's still connected to his actual name.
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Co-Host
Gotcha. Gotcha. But I just, you know, I've never really played these games. I don't know much about him, but, like, he seems to be very into them. He's the only American on top 20.
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Adam Thorne
Of course, or like one of two or something.
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Co-Host
Like, it's like all people from, you know, China and mostly Chinese people, I believe, when you look at the chart. But yeah, I found the fact that there is data saying that, you know, surgeons, particularly those that perform laparoscopic surgeries, are more effective and have less. It's like 27% less errors than the like when they play video games than those who don't. And he was like, why is this not part of, like, medical school training? Like, why are we not doing virtual, you know, play and things like that. Like, if it's that simple, why are we not doing it?
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Adam Thorne
Well, you know, it could be that it's. This is fairly new research.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, and with anything it's like, is it cause and effect? It's like, oh, it's related to this. Maybe those surgeons are doing something else that also makes them good at. You know, maybe they just have this, like, real need to be working with their hands. Maybe woodworkers that are also surgeons are very good. You know, it could be like a bunch of things like that.
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Co-Host
And it makes me wonder, like, what other professions could benefit from video games.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, anything that has, you know, kind of like really fine motor skill, precision movements, you know, things like that. I mean, there's. That's just interesting research to look into. Yeah, for sure.
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Co-Host
I'd really like to see where that goes.
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Adam Thorne
Joe is very excited about the Elon's purchase of Twitter, brought that up. I mean, I was pretty sure Elon had been on before since he bought Twitter. But maybe Joe, maybe because time has passed and we've seen the effects of it and what it's done for Twitter, you know, not. Not everybody likes it, but some people like it a lot. People that are in very much into free speech and reduced censorship, they. They're a big advocate of what he did. And Joe had a chance to thank him and said, thank you for doing this. Yeah, I think it was a huge move. And Joe, I think he really believes truly that. That Elon did something special there and something important for. For us as, you know, just people that get to use Twitter. Really?
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Co-Host
Yeah, I mean, it's. We were talking earlier about, like, the evolution of social media's involvement in political elections. And, like, at what point it really became political and quickly. I mean, I think there was a article I read that said in the UK is kind of where it started. And Instagram was like, super influential back in 2015, and it didn't even come out until 2011. So within four years of Instagram coming out, it was like a big tool for developing or for influencing elections through reaching a younger audience, essentially.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, there's a lot of power there.
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Co-Host
A lot of it. And, you know, I think there's a responsibility that these. These companies have when they are these, like, platforms where people seek and find information, to have. To have it be open right from both sides and to not restrict the information. And that's obviously a huge topic during this election is censorship and making sure that. That, you know, the freedom of speech is preserved or the right to have, you know, freedom of speech. I. Yeah, I think it was really interesting to listen to them talk about that, because to Elon, he's like, I didn't Have a choice, basically. Like, he just felt so compelled. It didn't matter what the cost. It was like if we. He didn't have.
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Adam Thorne
Well, it obviously didn't matter. It was massively overpriced and it was 44 billion.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
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Adam Thorne
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, I mean, he just did it. Look, there's like two things at play here that are important. One is there's always the argument that do the social media companies not get the right to censor who they want to? It's their company. Like, does this fall under freedom of speech? That's one issue alone.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Second to that is when the government steps in to try and control the narrative and the message. Like they did with Hunter Biden.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
And the laptop and suppressing that. You know, Elon talks about communication from like, if Harris wins, then not only would there be bigger boycotts of Twitter, probably according to him, that there. It may even be a move to try and shut it down.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, and that kind of government censorship is not the direction you want to go. Right. It would be bad. It. No matter which party does that.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, and it's easy to say as well, oh, well, she won't do that. Or how would you know? Or like it's unlikely to happen. But he's pretty sure it would.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
And he runs it and he's giving warnings. The big thing about his interview with Joe, which I found interesting, he makes some bold claims. Yeah, right. And we're going to get into some of those things. But what's important is there weren't a ton of articles rebuking these claims very heavily. And media is almost all left leaning. And that makes you think, wow, is there something to it? Is it maybe harder to dispute these claims then than, you know, you'd think?
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Co-Host
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned that like the, you know, many of the majority of the mainstream media is sort of controlled by left winged people. I don't say controlled, but like infiltrated with them.
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Right.
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Like they're people that tend to believe in those ideals. And the, you know, we're, we're having this discussion post campaign, three days post campaign. And yet the, this podcast with Joe and Elon happened like the day before. Right.
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Adam Thorne
So yeah, it was a few days.
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Co-Host
Before the election, but you know, now even within these three days, like there's been a lot of talk about how the Trump campaign did not go through those mainstream media platforms to advertise and to promote his campaign. He took an alternative route, like going on the Joe Rogan podcast.
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Adam Thorne
You know, there was many big podcasts.
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Co-Host
And a lot of them, I mean, between him and J.D. vance, they probably went on like 12 different podcasts. Like big of the big, some of the biggest podcasts in the world, if.
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Adam Thorne
You added up all of the views. And I mean, Rogan would be probably 40% of all the views for all the different, you know, whether It's Apple, Spotify, YouTube, X, all the ways that these shows were released. It's like close to a quarter of a billion views. Yeah, that's huge.
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Co-Host
And I would say that's conservative because they, you know, we know what happened on YouTube where they were literally like messing with the, not letting it trend for, you know, like that whole thing.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, Joe and Elon talked about it.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
It wasn't trending. The Trump interview was gaining over a million downloads an hour for literally two days. I mean, that's an absurdly fast growing video.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, like, it's almost unheard of.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Yet it wasn't trending. After a certain point, you couldn't find it.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And it really did. Once it came back and it was trending, I think it stopped at about 37 million views.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And once they got it back up again, it now is at 45. Like it really took the wind out of the sale.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And slowed its progress down. Now YouTube supposedly their excuses, they're not sure why it happened. There's some talk that maybe it was just that people were reporting the video, meaning they didn't like it and they reported it it. So it automatically downregulated, but who knows?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, they just seem like convenient answers. I mean, it's the type of thing that as soon as Joe said anything about it to YouTube, they. It should have been an instant fix, a switch.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
And it just wasn't.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
So, you know, it's hard to say, is that election interference? Because obviously one side would say yes, another side would say no. But it's some funny business and it's not cool. And you compare that to Kamala going on what's that other podcast? Something daddy call her never listen to. Yeah. I mean, three quarters of a million downloads in three weeks. I mean.
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Co-Host
Yeah, nothing.
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Adam Thorne
You know, this podcast has had bigger episodes than that. And we review another show.
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Co-Host
I was interested to look up and see what the most viewed YouTube videos were of all time. There's a lot of. Can you guess?
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Adam Thorne
Most viewed ever? Yeah, I don't know. Probably like a Justin Bieber music video. The Shock, shock, shock.
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Co-Host
The Baby Shark.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Co-Host
It's gotta be that insane. Get 15 billion views on Baby Shark. I mean, it's not that important, but it's just crazy. And then, you know, some music videos. Coco Melon is like number four and five.
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Adam Thorne
It's gotta be a bunch of kids.
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Co-Host
It is. It's just kids that. Yeah. I mean, Ms. Rachel. We watch it on repeat. So the soundtrack to our life.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, but I mean, you know, it's. It's a factor that played into this and it's something that should be addressed. Right. There's no reason that these social media companies should have like an unreasonable bias. That's how I think the law should be structured.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, you can have a bit of a bias. It's okay that the media is slightly left leaning. Just be slightly left leaning though. Don't be all the way to the point where you're censoring the other message.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
Because the people of the country are going to start figuring that out and they're going to get pissed off and they're going to lose trust in media.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
It's why everyone goes to podcasts for their fucking information now instead of the newspaper, which is wild.
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Co-Host
I mean, it's.
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Adam Thorne
Most of the big podcasts are comedians.
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Co-Host
We're like reverting back to like when the radio came out and it was like this progressive thing of like, people got to say what they wanted and play what they wanted and the news, you know, Went from being on a newspaper to where it was like a company had to put a lot of effort into it, to where it was like an individual just got on and was like, here's what I think and here's what I know, and here's someone else that knows these things. And so, like top radio talk shows, you know, obviously eventually then got bought up by big media companies. And now, and then we went to TV and social media, and now, like, podcasts are growing again. And, and particularly I think Joe's podcast is this open platform for people to come and talk about their ideals, talk about their views, talk about what they know that might be censored in mainstream media. And the fact that the Trump campaign leveraged. It leveraged this, this, you know, media form during the campaign, saved them a shit ton of money.
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Adam Thorne
Well, that. That's a point I want to get to. So I ran some numbers with ChatGPT, and let's be fair, chat is often left leaning too.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
But it came back with how much the different campaigns spent.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
It said something like 1.5 billion was spent by the Kamala campaign. That's an insane amount of money.
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Co-Host
Unfathomable.
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Adam Thorne
Well, think about it. You're the Democratic Party.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Imagine if this year they just said, you know what, I don't think we can win. The president is obviously, you know, not able to continue doing his job. We've got to quickly switch to the Vice President. It's just too fast. It's not going to work. How about we take 1.5 billion and actually enact some of the changes that we haven't been able to do for the last four years?
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
Let's go in and spend some money on inner city schools or poor people or just helping some social service. No, they blew it all on Kamala to lose.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And that, I think it. They said it worked out to like $25 a vote per vote. That's basically how much it costs on the Trump side. And remember, he won with an absolute landslide. He was a landslide.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Right.
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Co-Host
No, as far as elections go, no.
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Adam Thorne
Republican has won the popular vote for 20 years. Something like that. And they spent half as much. 750 million.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Which is like $12 a vote. And again, it's leveraging podcasting. It's smart. And you've got to ask yourself, is this indicative of how each party would be spending in the economy?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Because if you're looking at it, if you're looking at two teams and you need them to make money and run an Economy, right?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Which one are you going to pick? Based on how they spent during the campaign?
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Co-Host
Exactly.
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Adam Thorne
You're going to say who got the most votes for the least amount of money. What is the difference? Yeah, well, Trump's campaign and the right. It's significant. It's undeniable. You can be as mad at them as you want. You can just hate the fact that they got in. That's okay. It's all fine.
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Adam Thorne
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Adam Thorne
CT mobile.com everybody to have their opinion. I totally get it. But if you're looking at this just from the center and you're not bothered either way, right. You're just like, well, this team was clearly more economically intelligent.
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Co-Host
Yeah, there's a. To start, there's a great post on ad week on Instagram at least is where I saw it. That kind of breaks down the ad spend on traditional media outlets per campaign, you know, outside organizations and then the actual campaign themselves. And then, you know, a huge topic in this election was efficiency in the government and spending and the debt that we are carrying and all of the issues that we're dealing with in terms of money and like our, in our economy and in our country, like where the money is going. And Elon, you know, is hoping to play a big role in this. You know, we heard a clip about that at the beginning of this podcast. If you look at the way that these campaigns ran from a business standpoint, you know, you would call it the customer acquisition cost and since social media and these alternative, like influencer networks have developed, the customer acquisition cost has decreased so significantly. I mean, fractions from what it used to be. You know, every company cost 10 to $15 for a customer to buy a product that costs $20. Now with Influencer networks and these like, you know, free media platforms where people are seeking out more, less filtered information, basically the customer acquisition cost, just as you said, goes down so significantly. And in their conversation, which we can get more into, but like between Joe and Elon talking about how Elon will increase the efficiency, you know, he's talking about like basically putting some of the government agencies, like turning it into like a, like turning it to the private sector. The private sector has to be more efficient. They are more efficient. Because if not, then they have. No, then they'll fall to the bottom. They won't succeed, you know, in the free market. You know, if you look at it like in a, On a microeconomic, in microeconomic context, like companies that are efficient, cost effective and, you know, do good, they rise to the top. And that's, I think, something we need to remember that like, our government is not above state like economic principles, but because they're essentially a monopoly. So they. Or they shouldn't be above them, but because they're the government, they are a monopoly on some of these things, like getting your driver's license. Why is it so difficult to get your driver's license?
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Adam Thorne
Imagine if you owned a company, right. You have a laundromat and your customers come in and they wash their clothes and there's all the quarters and da, da, da, da. But imagine if your paycheck and the survival of your business has nothing to do with how many of those quarters come in, that money you send off somewhere, but all your paycheck and the payment of the building is just paid by something else.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, maybe your trust fund kid or your dad pays for it and it just exists. How hard do you think you work?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, you think you're gonna go out of your way to create efficiencies throughout that whole program.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, you would just hire to outsource every job that you don't want to do because you didn't have to pay for any of the paychecks.
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Co-Host
Yep.
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Adam Thorne
You know, there would be no profit loss tracking that would be necessary. I mean, many government workplaces are like that just because they can be. I mean, I don't even blame them. I would do the same thing if I was in those positions. It's like, why there's. There's no incentive to save. And that's the big question. Right. It's kind of the difference between the left and the right right now is the left is like, tax the billionaires, tax the rich people. Right. They tried this in England. They started taxing all the millionaires a lot more. And 20% of the millionaires left the country because they're millionaires. They can move.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And it ended up being a net loss. So great work. And you've lost people that know how to make a lot of money. Now, I'm not saying that I don't believe that very wealthy people should pay taxes and pay their fair share. I'm all for it. They definitely shouldn't get away with paying nothing. However, is that necessarily going to fix the issue if on the back end, the government is just spending and spending and spending and it's just pouring out?
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
It's like, why not just work from both ends, collect slightly more taxes that are reasonable, and also tighten up? I mean, who knows what the potential of running a really efficient government looks like, Right? I don't know a country that does it. You know, I'm sure America isn't doing it well. If we could do it, what, 30% more efficiently, that's an incredible amount of money that we could save and put back into this country.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
The big thing is this. Right. It's an. Elon was talking about it. We've got the national debt and the interest that America pays on that is almost as large as the defense budget, which is huge. Which is huge. And eventually those numbers will completely swallow up all of the money that the United States makes if we stay on the track that we're currently on.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And no one's been able to do anything about it. Now, who knows if Trump can do anything about it. But this is a good start. That's something that's very serious.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Another thing they kind of talked, they touched on briefly in terms of spending and money and the deficit that we're in as a country is tariffs. Trump has said a lot about, you know, putting tariffs on goods, and I think I really appreciated Elon sort of cautioning, you know, Trump to do that. I hope. I hope he listens, because if you look at it again from an economic standpoint, tariffs do not always, typically don't turn out the way you want, especially in the short term.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, we're talking like we know fucking anything about tariffs, to be honest. But.
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Co-Host
No, but I mean, you know, in. In my, you know, Education. I did do some economic, you know, several economic, you know, economics classes. And you, you know, subsidies work better than tariffs typically do in raising overall, like, benefit. Like, the benefit grows when you create a subsidy.
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Adam Thorne
Because Elon was saying, you know, raising a tariff can work, but you have to make sure the infrastructure is in place exactly at the destination.
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Co-Host
You have to be careful because sudden changes in tariffs basically affects supply chains. And so costs change overnight. And so you can't overnight just say, oh, all of a sudden this product costs, you know, $4 to bring in from a country. You know, this piece of a thing that is manufactured in America now costs twice or three times as much. That's not really like the manufacturer is going to pick that up, not of the product that they use that small widget or whatever for. And so I really enjoyed listening to his perspective on this, and I really hope that he, that Trump takes Elon's advice on this and that he waits to, like, instill these tariffs until there's some infrastructure and, you know, does them sort of slowly because, you know, he says America is still the biggest, second largest manufacturer in the world. And, you know, trade improves prosperity. So, you know, specialization and the competitive advantage that some countries have in creating certain goods, like, we don't, we don't necessarily want to walk away from that. Like, there is an importance in like, like creating having sustainable jobs in the United States, but we don't want to necessarily, like, say, oh, we can make every single product better just because we've made it. Like, that's just not the truth.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, some things will be more.
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Co-Host
Expensive and they will be more expensive. And if we put tariffs on the products and the goods and the, the, the pieces to make products in America, you know, the widgets, you know, so they call them.
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Adam Thorne
But saying that, it does sound like. So then if you take a step back, the argument is tariffs are bad, tariffs are good type of thing. But it sounds like it's more than that. It's somewhere in the middle. Meaning tariffs will work and maybe should be encouraged slowly over time as we build back things that are important for us to make here. Right. They often talk about the automotive industry.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
You know, certain things like that, maybe some warehouse jobs, like factory stuff, making clothes, like, who knows? Maybe some things like that and other things, we just let it be done. I mean, it sounds like microchip should be a big one that they make back in the US Again.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Because that was a huge issue during covered.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
So, you know, there's some element there that will be useful and it will be interesting to see the influence that Elon has. I mean, will it be another example? And what I love about it is Elon will talk about it. He's not going to ever hide or be afraid of Trump.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
If they fall out, Elon will just say, what happened?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And people, you know, I mean, he's, he's somebody that has gained a lot of people's trust.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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He made an analogy and I'd never heard it before, but it makes so much sense that, like, when it comes to manufacturing, you think about, like, for example, like the car companies. Do you remember him talking about this? That if you had a, like a Japanese car company, an American car company, and you thought of it as the Japanese car company was they were all on a boat and there's eight people rowing and one person steering in the Japanese company, and then on the American boat, there's one person rowing and eight people steering. Because everyone in America really, like, has big ideas. They want to be the boss. Like, that's like this pride thing. Rather than getting the job done, it's like, who was responsible for getting the job done?
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Adam Thorne
Right.
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Co-Host
And, like, who gets credit? So when, you know, historically, when car companies have failed, American car companies have failed, it really has nothing to do with the quality of the product. It's really like the who. Like, there's too many cooks in the kitchen.
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Adam Thorne
It also was the quality.
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Co-Host
And then when, you know, when the car company goes under, they would fire the one person that rose, you know, like, and then there's still no one moving the company forward. So.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's very true. You know, and then some of this comes back to also, you know, that's bureaucracy in a sense. Right. You've got too many managers and causing problems, almost the same as when you have too many rules and too many laws governing what is going on for corporations. And Elon was talking about that. He said, it's hard to get things done right now.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Because we've allowed these government departments to get so large that they're making so many rules that basically stop progress from happening. And, you know, there's no better example than the DOJ lawsuit that he's facing at SpaceX. And this is so wild. Like, when he brought this up, I was like, this can't possibly be true. And you look it up and they are, they do have this lawsuit and it's that he, Elon, is prevented from hiring non US citizens for security reasons because SpaceX is, you know, they have content incontinent. What is it, bliss? Ballistic missile technology. Right. So, yeah, they can just fire missiles all over the planet if they wanted to. And they also are now being sued because of discrimination for not hiring immigrants. And it's like, but they can't. There's a law for security.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
The DOJ only gets to choose a few large lawsuits a year. I mean, that seems to be directly coming from the Biden administration, and that is just crazy.
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Co-Host
That's absurd.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, it's. It's like, it's just an attack. Like, it doesn't make any sense. Surely they can put their energy into far more useful lawsuits to other companies.
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Co-Host
Or just like, their efforts into something more productive in general. It's like, what are you trying to achieve exactly? There's like, no. What is the end goal? Like, you're just trying to make an example out of someone that has a lot of attention on them. And.
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Adam Thorne
Well, this is why Elon warns during this podcast that if the right loses, it's gonna be dangerous for democracy, you know, for a multitude of reasons. And this is just a few of them. And that's a crazy thing to say in. In terms of just listening to the election, because there are half the country that are convinced it's the other way around.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Half the country is like, oh, no, it's Trump that will destroy democracy because he. And they've labeled him a fascist or whatever, and it's like, that's going to destroy it. It's just kind of wild that we've just got these complete opposite ends of this conversation.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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I think the polarization in our political landscape right now makes my head spin. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. And I also believe strongly that in almost every scenario, there's three sides to every story. And what we really only hear is, like, you know, yours and mine. Like, we hear what you have to say, and you hear what I have to say, but maybe we're not always getting the truth in what is going on. And that's what I seek now. You know, like, I think everyone, when you are so loyal to one side or the other, you can kind of put blinders on and you can be like, I'm just going to, like, go with this narrative. But I think it's really important that we listen to both sides of the story and sort of find in the middle, like, what the real truth is.
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Adam Thorne
It's so difficult to do, though, because, you know, to be well up to date and educated on what's happening with politics, yet also don't get sold on either side.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
So that means you're really very neutral. Like you really don't have an emotional connection to either side yet, you know, a lot of information around it that's hard because it's the information itself pulls you to one side or the other does.
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Co-Host
But I'm not saying you can't eventually pick a side or agree that one person is more right than the other.
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Adam Thorne
But that's where the problems start because you just start becoming pretty biased to the information you're hearing and then there's a tendency to demonize the other side.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Then you get into kind of an echo chamber.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And it's a, it's almost a slippery slope then.
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Co-Host
But I think it's just important to be like it's, you know, everyone is entitled to their opinions. That's like the whole point of democracy, right. Is that there's a potential for each side or either side to win. And it's, and it's a, it's echoing what the people want. Every four years it can change. And that's why the two party system works. Elon has said he's Black Friday Week.
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Was not really politically active before this election, but he felt so.
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Adam Thorne
He was a Democrat three years ago.
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Co-Host
Yeah, he was.
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He was and he was. He felt so inclined in this election particularly, you know, there was a lot of reasons, but particularly when he realized what was happening with the immigration, you know, and saw the statistics on the numbers of illegal immigrants being directed into swing states that, you know, and don't have voter ID laws and things like that and that, you know, that was happening as soon as the Biden administration took over. You know, I'm curious what gets me about this topic is I don't see a lot of rebuttal from the other side. I don't get a whoa, whoa. We see that. That's what it looks like.
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Right.
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But what is what. Here's what we say is going on. Like we're not really getting anything from.
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Adam Thorne
Sample of that is when he was talking about what's happening with the immigrants.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
There's an app now where they're flying them directly to swing states. The government website that he talked about from Homeland Security is showing who is going where overwhelmingly in the future, if they get the opportunity to vote, they will vote for the left.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
And they're speeding up the their ability to get citizenship. Yeah, that to me sounds really sketchy right now. When John Fetterman was on the Democratic senator that dresses kind of like he works at a gas station, bless him, he basically said, oh well, I think it's, you know, because of labor shortages, that sort of thing. Even J.D. vance said that. So maybe, maybe that is it.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
But ultimately it is likely to lead to this other thing.
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Co-Host
Likely. Right.
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Adam Thorne
And it doesn't sound good because like Elon said, if you change the swing votes to all swing states, I mean to no longer be swing states, they're just all blue.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
All of the elections then will be that way.
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Co-Host
Our two party system basically collapses. Right. If there's no swing states, if there's no.
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Adam Thorne
And to be clear, I don't want that to happen for the Republican Party either.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
I don't want them to be able to guarantee that they can always take swing states through some action.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
That is anything more than just kind of politically, you know, acceptable political campaigning. Right, right. If you just move, you know, that's why I don't like the gerrymandering. I don't like messing with it. You know, they're all trying to hedge their bets. But this one seems nefarious and pretty ugly and it's, it's a little scary because they've been very effective. Tens of millions of immigrants during the Biden administration. I mean, that is absurd. Number.
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Co-Host
Yeah, well, if anyone out there feels like or is confident that there's a better explanation then that it's just nefarious and that it's corruption, basically, we really want to know.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, listen, I'm pro immigrant. I'm an immigrant. I love America, I think.
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Co-Host
Yeah, you do.
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Adam Thorne
The best country in the world. And I'm so happy that I got to immigrate in. And it was hard work and it took a long time and it's not easy. And I want other people from other countries to be able to do the same and to work into that position. And yeah, you know, it. The answer is not just flying them into swing states and giving them credit cards.
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Co-Host
Right.
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Adam Thorne
It's absurd. No, it's, it's not the way to do it. Elon banged on about Peanut the Squirrel a little bit too.
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Co-Host
I. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I've been living under a rock or why. I. Maybe I'm just too busy as a mom, but I didn't really know about Peanut the Squirrel until I heard about him on this podcast. And it's a, it's comical, but it's also sad. Like, it's like this sort of like, I wouldn't say light hearted to everyone.
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Adam Thorne
But it, it's the type of story that gets people riled up though.
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Co-Host
It does. People and their animals.
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Adam Thorne
When you make the point though, that this is what happened to John Wick and it turned him into like an absolute savage. Yeah, because somebody killed his dog and he made four movies where he killed the most people ever.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean there is that like emotional gut response. That's why that movie was so big, because it was like.
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Co-Host
And there's four of them.
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Adam Thorne
Don't fuck with a man's dog saga.
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Co-Host
Of him revenging his dog's death. And I am really looking forward to whoever makes Peanut the squirrels revenge movie.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, that guy's focused on his onlyfans.
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Co-Host
Oh yeah. If you search, if you search Peanut the Squirrel on my iPhone just on safari. Top stories Republicans call to avenge Peanut the Squirrel's death at ballot box. It's wild Bomb threats made to 12 New York DEC office for killing pet squirrel.
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Adam Thorne
It is heartbreaking.
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Co-Host
Peanut the Squirrel owner denies using pets death promote only.
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Adam Thorne
It is heartbreaking though. To have, you know, to hear that crime is up in New York. You know, some of Elon's friends recently have been mugged there, and the police didn't arrest anyone and don't come out to sort the crime out. Yet they're kicking indoors, flipping over furniture to eventually put down a squirrel. It's like, what are you doing?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Like, are we keeping America safe? Are we really keeping America safe right now, or are we just harassing citizens? Like, there is an argument to be made. I mean, you know, this case is just kind of a bit silly in its own right when it comes to a national election that ultimately affects the whole world. I mean, does a squirrel really get to, you know, change the balance? But it's the type of conversation that people have been having. Are we protecting our people? Are we harassing them? Are we prosecuting the right people? Especially when you hear these stories of, you know, letting certain people out of prisons and, you know, just, you know, these. Like, in California, you can steal up to $900 of clothes or whatever it is, and they're not even arresting you.
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Co-Host
And then it's like, I want to know how much. How much government resources were put into. How many people were involved, how much was. How much time and energy was put into this team? Invading this guy's apartment.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Co-Host
And kill. I mean, they didn't just, like, go in and, like, execute the squirrel. They obviously took the squirrel. There was a whole story.
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Adam Thorne
Can you imagine? They have, like, they. They're in, like, the little cop meeting. They've got a bunch of them. They're all eating donuts, drinking coffee, and they're like, all right, guys. They're like, mapping out, like, okay, you.
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Adam Thorne
Bravo team does this. We got to watch all the exits. And then one guy is in there, just puts his hand up. He's like, guys, this is a squirrel. Should we just chill out on the squirrel guy with the cute Instagram?
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Co-Host
Yeah, it's just. It's sad. It's sad that this is where our country has gotten to that, like, that's something that we put resources into. It's like, it's a squirrel. There's like, I couldn't. I don't know what the statistic is on how many squirrels are in our country, but the fact that one of them got made it and has a home and is a domesticated animal. Why are we mad about that?
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Adam Thorne
He's doing great.
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Co-Host
I don't know.
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Adam Thorne
Peanut was doing great. But, yeah, it's wild that, like, to see Elon genuinely getting upset.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Over the Squirrel does.
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Co-Host
The most emotion he showed was talking about this.
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Adam Thorne
He's pretty upset. Maybe he's a huge Squirrel fan. I mean, that's clear to anybody that didn't know. Yeah, I want to end on this. Maybe something optimistic, but maybe not. Maybe this freaks everybody out too. But Elon thinks In the next 20 years, everyone's going to have their own AI, robot, humanoid robot. And I think it's so true. I think. I mean, is it predicting like the beginning of Terminator? I don't know. But at a robot assistant, I mean, who knows what its capabilities will be in 20 years, what you could outsource it to. I mean, it's your companion for sure.
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Co-Host
Well, we do know you like to outsource things.
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Adam Thorne
I'd love to outsource. Yeah, I just outsource the podcast to a robot. Done.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, I think you could train jiu jitsu with it. Be badass.
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Co-Host
What worries me security about this and, and they talked a bit about, like, is, you know, he, he's. He estimated. He thinks it's like 80% likely that, like automation and AI taking over, like, so many things and responsibilities, roles, jobs in our country. 80% likely it'll be a good outcome. And, you know, in 15 to 20 years, you know, in five years we'll see some progress. In 10 years, we'll see some. In 20, some more. What worries me is we already have so many issues with, like, protection issues, you know, like privacy, things like that when it comes to technology. And like, someone's gonna have to own and operate these robots, like as from a software standpoint. And it's like, we're gonna have this robot in our home with like, the ability, like around your family, around your animals, around your children, around all of your personal belongings, around weapons you maybe have stored in your home. It's like all they gotta do is do a little update on that software or whatever and they can, you know, they can track where we are in our homes using WI fi. Why would they not put a camera in this robot and know literally what you're doing on camera?
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Adam Thorne
Here's the thing, they might. But this is also why it's important for these. For companies to not be connected to the government, for the government not to be able to control them with censorship, for the government itself not to have the power to be able to take control of your robots. Yeah, I mean, you know, they're going to have to figure all that stuff out. And personally, I'd rather have Elon Musk at the head of that than Bezos or Zuckerberg or Bill Gates. I just honestly trust him more. I think he cares more about the human race.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Like, I just do. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems more genuine. The other guys sometimes seem a bit weird. Just care about money. Look, takeaway from this is obviously Elon super concerned about where the election goes. Doesn't have to worry about that now. They won. I think he made $20 billion over the one day or two days since Trump was declared the winner. So, you know, Elon's doing just fine. He's almost at 300 billion. Can you believe that? It's insane. Yeah. Rip to peanut the squirrel. I mean, real sad stuff. And it's going to be an interesting four years to see what he's able to do. Will Trump work with him on these ideas? Will their relationship hold?
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
They seem like very different individuals, but maybe they can get some good work done.
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Co-Host
Well, you look, historically, a lot of Trump's advisors and the relationship he has has crumbled, you know, and they've come out and said, like, this person's not easy to work with. I don't respect, you know, I don't think he should be in this role or whatever. And my hope is that it doesn't go that way because he's made a lot of really good promises that he's going to fix these things. And he's brought people on his team, like Elon Musk and rfk, that have the potential, really, the. The insight to do these things. And it'd be so exciting to see if those, like I said, those relationships hold and what they can do.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. The hope is he's been a president now, at least he did that. He has experience in Washington. He does have a better chance of putting a better team together.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And that's what it looks like he's doing.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
And I hope that that works, because it's no matter who wins. Right. Whether it was Kamala or. I want them both to have really good teams. Whoever wins needs to have a good team that can get at least the best that they can accomplish done. Because we all suffer.
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Co-Host
Yeah.
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I was going to say, you know, if you, if you. Even if the party that you didn't vote for, the person you didn't vote for gets in, you don't want them to fail. Like, you want them to do good by you.
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Right.
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Whatever that means.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. I mean, look, it's nice to have talking points where you get to slag off the other party that you don't care for. But there's always plenty of news for that. So you'll have plenty of reason to. Overall, American prosperity is really what you're looking at because, you know, it's like cut off your nose to spite your face. It's like, yeah, there are people out there now that hope that America does start to crumble.
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Co-Host
Right?
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Adam Thorne
Just so they can point at Trump and say, look what happened. We told you. And that's, that's a nuts way of thinking. Like it just is.
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Co-Host
Well, it's self destructive.
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Adam Thorne
It's so bad. It's so bad. But anyway, let us know what you think about this, about Elong's role in the election. Like did his appearance on Rogan make a difference last minute? Do you believe what he's saying? Do you think that it's nuts? We'd love to hear from you. Go to our website, jrereview.com you can message us there. Check out the blogs that we have some good blogs and we'll talk to you guys next week.
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Co-Host
Cheers, y'all.
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Adam Thorne
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