432 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Ky Dickens

Summary

Episode Summary: Joe Rogan Experience Review - Ky Dickens (Episode 432)

Release Date: March 13, 2025
Hosts: Adam Thorne & Ian
Podcast: Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast

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Introduction

In Episode 432 of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast, hosts Adam Thorne and Ian delve into a fascinating discussion about telepathy, inspired by their review of a Joe Rogan episode featuring Kai Dickinson. The conversation navigates through skepticism, scientific perspectives, and the intriguing possibilities surrounding telepathic abilities, particularly in non-verbal autistic individuals.

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Overview of Ky Dickens' Discussion on Telepathy

Adam Thorne begins by contextualizing the review, explaining that they are essentially analyzing another podcast episode where Kai Dickinson discusses telepathy. He remarks:

"[02:22] Adam Thorne: Yeah, well, I mean, it's definitely a pretty interesting conversation..."

They explore Kai’s exploration of telepathy, challenging the notion that such abilities are impossible and questioning the skepticism surrounding them.

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Skepticism and Scientific Perspectives

The hosts express their initial skepticism toward telepathy. Ian shares his disbelief:

"[02:56] Ian: Oh, yeah. As soon as I heard that, like, read the bio before I even looked at it, and I know nothing about any of these topics, I was like, this is bullshit."
"[04:42] Adam Thorne: Oh yeah, this is why I'm in that position to wear. Of all the wacky things..."

Despite their doubts, both Adam and Ian find themselves contemplating the possibility after hearing Kai’s arguments and the evidence presented in her telepathy tapes.

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Challenges in Proving Telepathy

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the difficulties of scientifically proving telepathy. They highlight the complexity of maintaining secrecy in conspiracy theories and the logistical challenges when involving individuals who cannot verbalize their experiences:

"[04:07] Adam Thorne: Stories and that's what she brings up. She's like, how would a bunch of non verbal autistic people be conspiring to do this to begin with?"
"[10:28] Adam Thorne: Yeah, I want to know. I feel like I kind of get jaded..."

They debate the necessity of robust, repeatable experiments to validate telepathic claims and the resistance such studies might face in the scientific community.

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Historical and Practical Examples

Ian references historical attempts to explore psychic abilities, such as skeptics testing televangelists and magicians:

"[06:04] Ian: Remember, they would, like, travel the country sometimes go to churches..."
"[09:48] Adam Thorne: So, honestly, like, it's like magicians..."

They draw parallels between these historical figures and current proponents of telepathy, emphasizing how such abilities have been consistently debunked or attributed to tricks.

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Coincidence vs. Telepathy

The hosts discuss the role of coincidences and confirmation bias in believing telepathic phenomena. They consider everyday experiences where thoughts seemingly align with external events, questioning whether these are mere coincidences or indicators of a deeper connection:

"[13:03] Adam Thorne: The electromagnetic spectrum like our eyes see 1%..."
"[14:17] Adam Thorne: Right."
"[16:07] Adam Thorne: Yeah, that's wild..."

They acknowledge that while coincidences are statistically probable, the consistency and specificity of certain telepathic claims push the boundaries of mere chance.

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Potential Implications and Future Directions

Exploring the "what if" scenario where telepathy is real, Adam and Ian speculate on its societal and scientific implications. They consider how telepathic abilities could revolutionize communication, mental health therapies, and even fields like linguistics and historical research:

"[25:00] Adam Thorne: Yeah."
"[26:07] Adam Thorne: Yeah."
"[29:11] Adam Thorne: Yeah, typed it into Chat..."

They also touch upon the potential for telepathy to offer a voice to individuals who are non-verbal, thereby expanding communication methods and understanding human cognition.

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Conclusion

In wrapping up, Adam Thorne and Ian reflect on the transformative potential of accepting telepathic abilities, while still grappling with the need for empirical evidence. They express a cautious openness to exploring these phenomena further, highlighting the importance of maintaining scientific integrity while remaining receptive to unexplained human experiences:

"[42:44] Adam Thorne: Totally."
"[50:56] Ian: Yeah. So there's more examples of this type of thing."
"[51:04] Adam Thorne: Yeah. I'm looking forward to the movie."

The episode concludes with both hosts expressing enthusiasm for future discussions and investigations into telepathy, underscoring the ongoing quest to balance skepticism with curiosity.

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Notable Quotes

• Adam Thorne on Initial Skepticism:
  "[04:42] Adam Thorne: Oh, yeah. As soon as I heard that, like, read the bio before..."

• Ian on Scientific Challenges:
  "[25:53] Adam Thorne: So let's say this is real. Okay, Then what?"
  "[25:57] Ian: That's the question..."

• Adam Thorne on Placebo and Telepathy:
  "[41:30] Adam Thorne: Yeah."

• Ian on Telepathy vs. Magic:
  "[42:47] Adam Thorne: Yeah."
  "[42:44] Adam Thorne: Totally."

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This episode offers an in-depth examination of telepathy through the lens of skepticism and scientific inquiry, encouraging listeners to ponder the possibilities while demanding rigorous evidence. Adam and Ian successfully balance doubt with open-mindedness, fostering a thought-provoking conversation that challenges mainstream perceptions of human communication capabilities.

Transcript

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[Adam Thorne]

You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast and pass them on to you. Perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's Walking Dead.

[Ian]

You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

[Adam Thorne]

What a bizarre thing we've created now.

[Chris Gethard]

With your hosts, Adam Thorne might either.

[Adam Thorne]

Be the worst podcast or the best one of all time.

[Ian]

One go.

[Adam Thorne]

Enjoy the show.

[Ian]

Did you have a preconceived notion of.

[Adam Thorne]

Telepathy or spiritual gifts or anything before this?

[Kai Dickinson]

No. I mean, I think like a lot of people like the idea of mediums and psychics. It felt like people that are often trying to just make money off of people in really vulnerable situations. And I've always believed certainly there's gotta be people who have certain gifts like that, you know, but that the vast majority couldn't be trusted or, you know, I didn't think telepathy could be real. That seems impossible. It just seems impossible. Even things like plant communication felt impossible or, I mean, none of that was something that was like my worldview, you know, I was working on, you know, solving problems around paid family medical leave and making health insurance more affordable and accessible. Like it was not my cup of tea.

[Ian]

There we go. That's Rogan talking to Kai Dickinson about telepathy and getting into it. Today's guest with me is Ian. Ian is a therapist, actually, and I haven't talked to you about your experience working with autistic people. But I felt like this was a good show to have kind of, you know, psychologist, a therapist, something like that on just to kind of chat through this.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, I mean, it's definitely a pretty interesting conversation. I think the first thing that sort of goes without saying, it's like with this episode, we're doing a review of what for a Joe Rogan episode, felt like a review of another podcast, because that's really what it was. They're saying they're talking about the telepathy tapes, which is Kai's podcast. So we're kind of already two steps removed, but, you know, plenty of interesting stuff, even on the wings of that.

[Ian]

Yeah. And just hearing it, it's one of those things where it's like, well, I can't do this research, so I can't verify any of it, but it just seems like, let's say it's not happening and these people don't have any telepathy at all. It's impossible. What a wild kind of continued lie it would need to be for all these people to be involved in teachers reporting on it. And I mean, you could look online, you can Google it, and it's like, parents say this, like, there's lots of.

[Adam Thorne]

Stories and that's what she brings up. She's like, how would a bunch of non verbal autistic people be conspiring to do this to begin with? Like, what would that even mean? Right. You know, it's sort of like the biggest problem with conspiracy theories is how hard it is for people to actually keep a secret and plan something. Well. And how much harder when you can't talk. Right. Yeah, but, yeah, very interesting. I think. I don't know about you. One of the things I noticed the most is how much I've been wired to be a skeptic.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah. As soon as I heard that, like, read the bio before I even looked at it, and I know nothing about any of these topics, I was like, this is bullshit.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, telepathy. Okay, this will be interesting.

[Ian]

Can't wait to hear how nuts this lady sounds.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Yeah. By the end of it, I'm like, I think I believe in telepathy.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

Yeah, that was convincing.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And again, we didn't even hear the content, really. I mean, by the end, you know, they gave a couple examples. I listened to the first. Just the first episode of hers just because I kind of had to see what was going on.

[Ian]

Of the telepathy tapes.

[Adam Thorne]

Of the telepathy tapes. Yeah. And you know, she mentions that it's like, you know, she gives an example, they bring up it's actually Hispanic family, so they had like a translator for a lot of it, which was kind of interesting. But, you know, they just did everything they possibly could to prove it right or wrong. And I think that's what a big, you know, I mean, that's kind of what you have to do with all this. Yeah. Like, you have to. You have to want to know if it's real. And I think that. I think. I believe Kai, that she. That's where she's coming from. She's like, what is this? I'm fascinated. Is it true or not?

[Ian]

Yeah. Well, I think what it takes is one of those people that is the, like, super skeptics.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Remember, they would, like, travel the country sometimes go to churches and. And like, expose the televangelists for, like, using headphones.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

You know, and these aren't you radio waves. So it's not like a message from God. Somebody's just like, Sally and C45 just lost their husband.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

And then he's like, I'm getting a message.

[Adam Thorne]

Wow.

[Ian]

And was that a thing?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

This guy who's like, super skeptic, he. He has a check that he carries around with him. I think it's a million dollars now. And if anyone can prove, like, psychic ability, he will give you that money. So I'm like, we'll bring him in for this.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Like, he can design the experiment.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

To where he's satisfied.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I haven't heard of this guy.

[Ian]

And, yeah. I mean, there's. There's a few people that are trying to expose these, you know, fraudsters, and they. And all of them are exposed.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

You know, every one of them is just trying. Is they just have different tricks.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, it's like magicians. Of course, at this point, everybody knows you go to a magic show, it's a trick. Yeah.

[Ian]

It's not real. They did not saw that woman in half.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. But I think. I think for a while, maybe people thought magicians were the real deal. They were the psychics, they were the telepathy.

[Ian]

For sure they did.

[Adam Thorne]

And I don't know the telepathy, but.

[Ian]

This is why I'm in that position to wear. Of all the wacky things that sometimes I like to delve into and believe, this one I could just dismiss immediately. Even without hearing it, I'm like, oh, dude, we. We would know if people had this power.

[Adam Thorne]

Stakes are up. Right. Like, if this is the real deal, all Right. Like, yeah, I'm. I want to tune in. I want to know what, like, keep me posted.

[Ian]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm going to follow this.

[Ian]

It makes me want to, you know, do some of my own studies.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

You know, at least talk to some parents that have had this happen and be like, all right, talk me through this.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

I mean, you know, Kai was discussing how when she was first introduced to this, she'd been hearing these stories some teachers and parents had discussed. It seems like teachers are connecting well with the non. Speakers. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, that was actually interesting. The first person she studied was actually a therapist, or maybe the first person they talk about on the tapes. A therapist working with, I guess, a nonverbal or a speller, which. I don't know if you kind of got what that was. I think it's. It's people who can't speak, but they can, like, point to letters. And that. That was a little hard to follow because they're like, okay, what is a speller? And she's like, well, it's not just. They're spelling the words out. They've got this interpreter.

[Ian]

It was a little confusing.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

It doesn't mean that they're in a spelling bee.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ian]

They just have someone that helps them physically spell.

[Adam Thorne]

And I think that is sort of like. I don't know if you've seen these conspiracies about Stephen Hawking lately where people are like, oh, maybe he was. He wasn't even there. And it was just like this thing, you know, like he was like a frontman almost. You know, because you watch initially, before he got the Speak and spell, he'd sit there and he kind of. And somebody would say, oh, he's saying, you know, time travel would be possible if a wormhole were divided in three, you know, or some crazy stuff. And you're like, really? You got that out of that? Like, where? How do we know that's right?

[Ian]

He did have Cambridge appointed translators. Physicists, basically. Translators.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. Oh, really? Yeah.

[Ian]

They were like PhDs themselves. So they understood what he could be talking about.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

And, yeah, they would kind of interpret.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Some of the things that he's saying. That's an interesting point.

[Adam Thorne]

So, honestly, like, it's like, I want to believe. You know, that whole idea of, like, I want to believe every time somebody gives me a new conspiracy theory or something, I'm like, all right, like, prove it.

[Ian]

You know, this is a cool one.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I want to know. I feel like I kind of get jaded. I'm, like, disappointed now because I'm ready for that evidence to be like, yeah, no, aliens shot JFK or whatever it is. You know, like, I'm. I'm so ready to believe the most wild stuff, and I'm disappointed that nobody can ever back it up.

[Ian]

And that's where it comes down. It's like, how do you prove these things? And this is why this one's interesting, because I feel like it's very provable.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Even with the issue that she said she was coming up against and the pushback that she gets when they're trying to make these stories valid is the speller Helper.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Right.

[Ian]

So it's like there's some physical, but at the same time, I'm like, if you're reading someone's mind that's in a different room and the helper hasn't even seen that person. So there's a definite divide.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Then Darwin would approve.

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[Ian]

Even if the speller was guiding something, then it would just mean they have telepathy. Someone has it, right? One of the two people have it.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah. If I'm thinking, you know, blue square, and the spellers like, well, she said something about blue and square. Even if you think spelling is like a scam, it's like, okay, well how'd she get it?

[Ian]

Exactly, that's my point. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, so no, they don't have it, but spellers do. So who cares? Like somebody does.

[Ian]

And, you know, all you have to do is keep switching out the speller to find out if it's the other person.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

I mean, it's testable.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Then though, where do you go from that? Like, let's say for sure we've scientifically proven it with a bunch of candidates that come in that, you know, seem to be non speaking autistic kids. Then it's like, what is it about that that allows this to happen? You know, and can they do brain scans and see if there's some sort of projection thing or like, how are they tuning into it?

[Adam Thorne]

The.

[Ian]

How is this like ether knowledge?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Is that real? Like it just can send you down a whole like, scientific path of.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

This must be one of the most interesting scientific things to explore right now.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it's gotta be interesting. And I mean, I think we've all got that. Right. Like she talks about the phone example. You're like thinking of a friend you haven't talked to in two years and then they call you up or whatever it is, or even you're just thinking about your buddy like, oh, what are we going to. Oh, I need to call them back. And you get a text right away. Like, I think we all have some kind of experience like that.

[Ian]

I think so. But it's so often dismissed.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

You know, it's like when people like, oh, I went to this party and someone had the same birthday as me and there was only like eight people there.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

Well then, you know, some mathematician breaks it down and it's like halves and averages.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

This and that. And it's like there's a 1 in 5 chance that would have happened.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly.

[Ian]

Like all these coincidences just get kind of brushed off.

[Adam Thorne]

How big of a deal are they really?

[Ian]

Right. You know, and they will lay out things like, oh, well, you were thinking about this person and then they called you and you hadn't talked to them for a while. But you're also thinking of 12 other people that you didn't pay attention to. So you just.

[Adam Thorne]

Confirmation bias.

[Ian]

There's a bit of that, however, you know, not everything should be, you know, throw the baby out with the bathwater stuff. It's like if a lot of it is that coincidence. Fair enough.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

But maybe there's something else.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And when, when you have stuff like this pop up, it makes you think they did say, what was it the meeting place of the mind is called the hill.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Very cool, Very cool idea. And one person could get on the hill that wasn't autistic.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

But had some other skill. I can't remember.

[Adam Thorne]

Did some deep dive into thought and.

[Ian]

Consciousness, into their mind. That's right. So when showed up, it wasn't in the same capacity. Yeah, it wasn't as clear. It was more kind of mumbled and blurry and difficult for them to navigate.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

But it, but it does imply that maybe, maybe there is a learned skill, potential for anybody. And the only way you can get that is to understand what the heck is happening.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Yeah. And like, what does that even mean? You know, that's. She really went for it. She's like, I think this proves that, you know, consciousness is what comes first and matter comes second. It's like, hey, that sure, that's a good theory. Right. I think she went, you know, she went pretty big on that. Right. Like there, you know, this person can tell what number I'm thinking, therefore matter isn't real, mind comes first or something. It's like, well, maybe that's a big jump. That's a big theory.

[Ian]

It's a big theory.

[Adam Thorne]

But the hill was wild. She said there was some gal, some kid who was going to this hill, told her family, hey, I'm going, I'm going to this hill. And I talk to people. Here's all the people I know. And they were, they were people that the family had never met, this kid had never met. And they verified all these names.

[Ian]

That's wild.

[Adam Thorne]

That I'm like, all right, now we're getting somewhere else.

[Ian]

Now we're getting somewhere.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. You know, if.

[Ian]

Let's explore the hill.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly. Yeah, man. I mean, running up that hill. Whoa.

[Ian]

Just how jealous.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah.

[Ian]

Are you? Of not being able to do that. When I hear that, I'm like, wait, there's a place I can never go ever.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

No matter what.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Get all the money in the world. I am never allowed to go to the hill.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, she said you just got to meditate.

[Ian]

Got to meditate. I'm never going to control my mind well enough to get on the hill.

[Adam Thorne]

The problem might be you sadly. Sorry.

[Ian]

But it's, it's amazing. And again, that could be testable, Right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

If you've got similar people or the same types of people that are, you know, visiting the hill.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

You arrange for a meet up. Psychic meetup.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And then one has a message to pass to the other. It could be very simple.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And it sounds like it would be.

[Ian]

Impossible for them to keep guessing the right things.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. And it sounds like they've tried to do that and they have, you know, that first telepathy tape, she takes this family and they've got this daughter again who's I guess telepathic or something. And they, you know, they, they have a three digit random number generator. So nice, you know, 1 to 9, 99 or something like that. They do 20 tests and she gets everyone right. 20 out of 20, that would be.

[Ian]

What, trillions bisquillions to one.

[Adam Thorne]

Pretty unlikely.

[Ian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

She should probably go play roulette or something. But anyway, we're going to be in.

[Ian]

Trouble when we start seeing people with groups of non speaking autistics and they're all in casinos in Vegas. Like, all right, that's exploitation.

[Adam Thorne]

This is like you need a man on steroids. Yeah, yeah. When Tom Cruise takes his brother. Brother to the casino, right.

[Ian]

To count cause.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. All right, what can we do with this?

[Ian]

Similar. Of course, that's the first thing you think of.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. But it's interesting. So that first episode, she like, she's so thorough. She brings a friend on who's a skeptic, who's a scientist, and she's like, all right, you're my resident skeptic. Put the blindfold on, see if the blindfold works. You know, check the camera angles. Like, is there a reflection in the mirror? Is the TV reflecting something? Like, make sure we didn't miss anything. They knock out 20 out of 20. And she's like, all right, this is it. We've got evidence. And she has that all online. You can go watch the five different camera angles. You can watch the setup. You can test. Yeah, I mean, that's what she says. She's like, yeah, if you want to look at any of this, go for it, it's yours. So she thinks she's got this bulletproof evidence, right? Something's going on. And she brings it to a few different scientists or psychologists or whatever and they're like, nah. And they throw it out. Nobody wants to look at it.

[Ian]

Why? But this is what got me when I heard it, like, if anyone came to you with this.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And now you're in a meeting at work and all the rest of the therapists are on there.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Would, would everyone not be really interested or would they just be like, you're. You're a lunatic, dude. It seems like a safe enough space for you to bring up something like that. And for people to show some interest.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, if I told you or if you told, like, hey, man, I know this is crazy, but I've been, you know, my friends has a. My friend has a kid and he can read my mind, I'd be like, what? No, what do you mean? Like, well, I, we tried it. I'm like, well, like, he could tell you were angry or something. Like, oh, he could read your mind. You're like, no, we had a random number generator. I was in another room and I guessed the number. He got it right 20 times in a row.

[Ian]

I would tell everybody. If that happened to me, I'd be blown away. I wonder if then you become like those people in the 80s that were like, I was abducted by aliens. And they're like, everyone. That's John.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

John's always telling wild stories.

[Adam Thorne]

Except John knows where the alien lives and he can be like, yeah, come over, I'll introduce you. The alien abducts me every Tuesday.

[Ian]

There would be a lot of validity in that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ian]

For sure.

[Adam Thorne]

It's not a one off thing.

[Ian]

So if, yeah, if the, if the tests like that are legit.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Well, and this is why shows like Rogan are fantastic one. He's brave enough to have people like that on.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

He talks for three hours. So it's not a five minute segment on CNN that probably just gets, you know, they just ridicule her or just make it look silly.

[Adam Thorne]

Bring some other expert on who's like, nah, this is why it doesn't work.

[Ian]

Right. But now there's so much exposure. We're talking millions and millions of people will watch this episode.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

I mean, you know, and twice as.

[Adam Thorne]

Much with your listeners.

[Ian]

Oh, right. With tens of thousands will listen even to us. Discuss it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

It's like there are people out there that are going to start building momentum for this lady. People want to know about this. This is really interesting. I mean, I was pumped to have this conversation with you.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. It's like same, I.

[Ian]

And I can drag you in on a Sunday. Thank you.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it was kicking and screaming, but glad it happened. Would I have even listened to it? I don't know. You know, it's like you hear these things. Oh, somebody proving telepathy is real. You're like, yeah, yeah. And. And the aliens are real too. And maybe they are. You know, but it's like, I think, I think we're changing minds. I think inevitably you hear things like this enough and you can only be a skeptic for so long.

[Ian]

Right, right.

[Adam Thorne]

They use the example of like the new world. You know, Darwin would approve.

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Adam Thorne]

Let's go. Remember, when your wipers are on, make sure your headlights are on too. Lights and swipes. It's the way to go. A reminder from odot. Some guy is like, hey, I think there's a whole nother continent. You know, there's a whole nother half of the world we've never found. People are like, eh, all right. Yeah, cool, man. Like, sure, maybe, maybe. And turns out there was, you know.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Before we discovered the Americas. We didn't know that. Like, there's twice as much Earth.

[Ian]

Sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. And it took some lunatic who thought he ended up in India, by the way.

[Ian]

Right, right.

[Adam Thorne]

Like he. He wasn't even right about what he thought.

[Ian]

Mm.

[Adam Thorne]

And. And that. I think that's an interesting question. It's like, you've gotta follow your hunch.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And. And you know, you don't know what you're proving, but I think eventually it's like, follow that hunch and, like, keep digging if you're. Maybe you'll turn something up. Right. You may not even understand what it is.

[Ian]

And there is a scientific process. Yeah, right, right. That often is quite difficult to apply to certain things you're testing for.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

But this one seems like it would line up, match, and work for that process once it's explained. I mean, I just ran the numbers on that guessing 20 things, and it's a hundred to the power of 20 odds. The word is duodecillion. It's so many billions that you don't.

[Adam Thorne]

Even know what it means.

[Ian]

Take a while to write it down.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Nice, you know.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

It's basically those sorts of numbers are like more atoms than in the universe. Chance.

[Adam Thorne]

So is that 100 followed by 20 zeros? Is that what that means?

[Ian]

I think so, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's a lot of zeros. Billionis is what, nine, nine zeros? Yeah. A lot more.

[Ian]

Yeah. So when you're working with those kind of odds, it basically is 100% chance that that person has telepathy, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Or there's some magic tricks going.

[Ian]

Or it's the most amazing guess.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Or series of guesses.

[Adam Thorne]

Or a really clever gag.

[Ian]

Right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. But at a certain point, right, like the guy. That's the thing about magicians, right. One guy cuts somebody in half, give it enough time, somebody else figures out how they did the trick. Like, you can't keep a trick going on forever.

[Ian]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

And that's the whole point of like science and doing all these tests. At a certain point you're like, all right, like we would have figured out the trick by now.

[Ian]

Well, it's all about repeatable studies.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

That's what makes something valid. You could find one outcome, one time. No matter how amazing it is and how well the study was put together, it doesn't mean anything until they've repeated it three or four times.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay.

[Ian]

That's just how it goes. So they just have to keep doing this one.

[Adam Thorne]

So let's say this is real. Okay, Then what?

[Ian]

That's the question. So there's. There's a few things I've been thinking about with that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Then what? Like where do we go from here? But also thinking back.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

The non verbal or non speaking autistic people have existed in the past.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

How many of these hills or conversations have carried on what knowledge is being passed around in that area? What can be known? I mean, what made me think about it is Kai mentioned one individual could read hieroglyphics, yet definitely had never seen any. And no one that knew them could decipher any of those things.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. There's this thing, cuneiform B, I think it is something B, and it's this ancient script that nobody's been able to translate. I know Joe Rogan brought up that manuscript and that's cool, but that's definitely more in the realm of just like oddity. Unless it's some secret to the universe or something. But cuneiform B, it's like, it's an example in linguistics where nobody's ever figured it out.

[Ian]

Is it for sure. Ancient text. They know it's on old tablets.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. This is not a one off thing. It's something they find, I think regularly. And they're just like, eh, we don't really know what to do with that.

[Ian]

And we can't decipher any of it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, I mean, hieroglyphics we couldn't decipher until like late 1800s when somebody found the Rosetta stone. That's a good point. Oh, dang, here we go. And we're just hitting our head against a wall before that.

[Ian]

But yeah, would be amazing to sit one of these kids down and say, hey, can you make any sense of this? The only problem with the outcome of that is it would be hard to verify.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, right. I mean, not necessarily because, I mean that's like, you know, linguistics in a nutshell. It's like cracking a code like, you know, you cracked the code like in World War II because you can translate a bunch of things that make sense. Right. You know, you're like, oh, they just gave us coordinates to where the sub is and it's 100 miles different a day later.

[Ian]

That's a good point. So if you then ask them. All right, so we're going to, based on what you told us, we're going to write another type of sentence based on that with these patterns and then we'll have you read that one.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Or just like translate this one for us. Great. And now we go translate 30 things and they're like, oh, they're saying like, where? How much copper they had, you know, in the warehouse and it all just starts making sense.

[Ian]

But yeah, imagine if it's just stories about nonverbal autistic kids and how they can read minds and it's like, what? Oh man, we were waiting for this.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that'd be some like inception kind of stuff.

[Ian]

I've never even heard of that, that language. That's interesting.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't think it's like, it's not like the hieroglyphics where we've got these crazy tombs with all this mysterious writing. It's like some clay tablets.

[Ian]

But still. Yeah, it's cool stuff. I would like to know about it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ian]

And that is interesting that you say, you know, it's known in linguistics as like, you know, probably lots and lots of people have tried to decipher this. They probably have AI on it soon.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, they probably already figured it out and I'm just don't know anything anymore.

[Ian]

We'll look into it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, typed it into Chat but, yeah.

[Ian]

Other than kind of going back and thinking about through history, who noticed this, who has utilized this for different things? I mean, it wouldn't be weird now to hear a story of, you know, Alexander the Great having some sort of mystic person like Sears and that was able to kind of help him figure out where the armies are, you know, and those sorts of stories are easy to just dismiss. Be like, oh, they were just into their weird witchcraft religious stuff back then. But then all of a sudden you're like, hold on. Yeah, maybe people did know something and that leads to where do we go from here?

[Adam Thorne]

Totally.

[Ian]

Which is really exploring this land.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And even just like you and I or anybody else who hears this podcast, you know, listens to her telepathy tapes, it's like, what do you make of it? People can read minds. People can go to some place in their mind and talk to other people, and they all have the same story. And that was an interesting part. She's like, hey, this is nothing new. Like, thinking that you can get messages in a dream. This is nothing new. Right.

[Ian]

That's true.

[Adam Thorne]

This is something that most cultures, most individuals have some experience in or belief in. Right. So if anything, the funny, the oddity here is the fact that our mainstream thought, our science writes it all off. You know, it'd be like if, you know, mainstream science is like, well, emotions, those aren't really real, right. Like, you can't prove them. I know everybody says they feel them, but, like, yeah, I mean, show me one in a lab. Like.

[Ian]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

Put your finger on it. Put it in a box, Put it in a test tube.

[Ian]

You can't give me 10 milliliters of anger.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that's right. Although that might be a little easier, I guess. Hormones are a thing.

[Ian]

Just a bunch of adrenaline. Yeah, you know, it's a good point. And you know, back to the. The whole kind of. It's a different place. I mean, in a way, we kind of do that with dreams. Right?

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

When we have a dream, we're in a different place. And, you know, obviously it's all internal.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

It's just happening in your mind. But maybe there's something that. I mean, if people can read your mind, maybe they can interact with the dream portion of you, too. And there could be a whole opening there that's similar to the phenomena of, like, lucid dreaming, for example.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

And if you're out there and you're listening to this and you've never lucid dreamed, hopefully one day that happens to you in your life often. It's just random. You can kind of train for it. They have some books that are pretty useful and it is one of the strangest experiences you can ever have fully waking up. But being in your dream and seeing the detail and the complexities, oftentimes the colors are like even more astounding than real life. And then you're like, oh, we can just make this in our minds. It really makes you think when you wake up. Oh, I'm definitely making all of what I see just through the interpretation. It's like my brain is. Everything's reflecting. I see the people, it's bouncing off the walls, all these things that is being then reconstructed in my mind.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

And we often just don't think of it that way. Just like, oh, I'm just looking around.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, they talk about that like, you know, we see like 1% of Darwin.

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[Adam Thorne]

The electromagnetic spectrum like our eyes see 1% of what's truly visible in like a scientific sense or something like that, you know. Yeah, shrimp see like a hundred times more than we do. Some random shrimp can see way more than we do. Whatever that heck that purpose is for. Like I don't know what a shrimp needs to see, but something can't they.

[Ian]

See like infrared or something which is like really unusual or maybe that's goldfish.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, snakes. See, they have like a little nose almost and they can see infrared. They have like a second set of eyes, kind of quote unquote eyes. And they can like see a mouse in the dark. They can feel the heat. They can see the heat, basically.

[Ian]

And don't they say sharks can pick up like electric signals in the ocean? Probably they have some sort of sense for that. I mean, it is a good point.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

It's like even right now in this room, we have WI fi.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Technically, with that you can have all the information that has ever been stored anywhere is there right now. I guess this is not a great example because the computer has to ask for it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Maybe radio waves are better.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

They're all in this room. For all of the stations that are close to where we are. We can't hear any of them.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

But if we have.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, the phone can see the WI fi and we can't.

[Ian]

It's a good point.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Anyways. Yeah. What. What are we missing? Who knows?

[Ian]

Well, I just think that there are obviously a lot to still discover that we don't know about.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And on top of that, it's like, you know, what are these places?

[Adam Thorne]

Like, oh, man. Don't you want to go? I want to. I want to know what's going on on the hill.

[Ian]

Yeah. I wish there was more of a description of what they see as well, she kind of got into that, like describing, you know, how the image appears and.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, it sounds like they're making like a video documentary and she has some non verbal people on the team and they're working on the art.

[Ian]

That's great.

[Adam Thorne]

They're gonna like draw the hill.

[Ian]

Yeah, what a good idea.

[Adam Thorne]

Isn't that cool?

[Ian]

They're the only ones that could do it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. They've been there and make it make sense. Like Marco Polo. Like, tell us about what you saw. Yeah.

[Ian]

What did you think about the teacher that noticed that one of her students could basically communicate with her at any point she could be at home and she had to kind of create a boundary and say, hey, you can't keep jumping into my mind. I'm an adult.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

I'm doing adult things. Yeah, you're a child. It's not appropriate. Like, what a strange boundary. Ethical dilemma that is.

[Adam Thorne]

I think this is the most interesting part of this is like, all right, like, what have you. When have you seen this? Right. Like, I was thinking about this. Joe Rogan was talking about aliens and like on this episode and how, like, you read these. You watch these people who are like, yeah, I work at the secret facility. I'm a whistleblower. You know, they've got aliens down there, and they've got all this. And they're doing all this stuff. And he's like, you don't believe it. Like, it doesn't sound true, but, like, he gives this example of somebody, his friends, that got attacked by a brown bear in Alaska, and he's like, when somebody tells you that story, it just reads as true.

[Ian]

Right?

[Adam Thorne]

Like, you can't make that up. The way this guy is telling this story, you can't make it up.

[Ian]

Well, that was Steve Rinella and his crew from Meat Eater and then other Hunters. So, like, very serious, legit people, right, that aren't likely to be. When a bunch of them decide to fabricate a story like that. It's pretty lame if it isn't true.

[Adam Thorne]

Right? It's like, come on. Like, yeah, you of all people don't need to make this up. You've got enough cool stories on this topic.

[Ian]

And then, yeah, the point there is what. What adds to the credibility is, like, you know, none of these people are known for exaggerating, really, any other types of stories.

[Adam Thorne]

So with, like, aliens, I don't know if you've ever. If you have a friend or have anyone you know personally that has told you an experience of like, dude, I saw this thing. I don't know what it is. I could be wrong, but this is what I saw.

[Ian]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And you're like. You're like, damn. Like, it hits different for a while.

[Ian]

It was a question I asked almost everybody.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

In my lifetime, I've tried a point where I was just like, with, you know, people that I just get to know or friends, I'm like, hey, just curious. You ever had this? Yeah, I'm always fascinated. And a lot of people, it's mostly just something in the sky they didn't explain.

[Adam Thorne]

Is that a thing? Like podcasters and aliens? Like, you're all just interested in aliens?

[Ian]

Well, I certainly am. Animal Podcast.

[Adam Thorne]

Two out of two.

[Ian]

Yeah. It's like, right away. Yeah, it seems like. It seems like a lot of podcasters are interested in that.

[Adam Thorne]

That's true.

[Ian]

But, you know, I guess we're a weird bunch.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, you know, I mean, we've all got something. I think that's where this conversation to me gets more interesting. It's like, you ask anybody just like. Just like the aliens, I guess. Maybe not as much, but you ask anybody about what they're talking about on the telepathy tapes. Like, what have you experienced? And I guess you personally, Adam, like, have you ever had something like this happen where you're like, eh. I can't really explain it any other way. Like dreams. You mentioned dreams. Have you ever had like a dream where you're like, dang, I dreamt that my car was gonna break down and this random dude was gonna like, you know, whatever, find a mouse in my ignition switch or something. And then, whoa, the next day there was a mouse in my ignition or anything like that.

[Ian]

Sadly, I haven't had that type of coincidence line up.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure.

[Ian]

However. And a lot of people experience this. I've had some very bizarre. A deja vu moment.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And they feel very much when they're happening is like, well one, they feel very real.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And I know they get dismissed quickly is just like your brain.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

Spasming for a second or whatever they say about it. But there are experiences where I'm like, oh, I've 100. I've not only done this before. This is actually an old memory. So I've known about doing this thing before for a long time. And there's something odd there that happens.

[Adam Thorne]

I think that's the most interesting thing about what she's doing. It's not that unfamiliar. If you read an article that said somebody just proved scientifically, undeniably that you can tell when somebody's a close friend is about to call you, you'd be like, no shit. That makes sense.

[Ian]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't know how they proved it. That's wild that that's true. But it's not like someone is saying, I don't know, we live on a different planet. We never knew it.

[Ian]

Right. You're like, it's not that far fetched.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And I would. I don't need a ton of evidence to be like, oh, there's something here.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

I mean there are just unexplained things that we just know. Yeah. That's how it is.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

It's like the little bit of magic. I mean, it's the placebo effect. With medicine.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

50% of the efficacy of any medication that works is the placebo effect. It's just that you knew you took it and then somehow you're actually feeling better.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

It's very strange.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. And you know, it's amazing that we don't study how to use that.

[Ian]

Well, we kind of do because we make medicine that way. So there's this. And it's its own level of contradictory. Because you've got on the one hand all the rigors that go into testing and medicine and the science behind it. And it's very scientific. You know, they want to make it provable and they have to represent it. Then there's pushback. Yet there's this whole other half of the chemistry and they're like, well, this bit, we just name it this, but it's basically magic and we don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

And that's Your background is biochem, right?

[Ian]

Yeah, yeah. I didn't deal with medicines much. I just know, you know, what the placebo is and kind of how it relates to medicine. Yeah, but in a similar way, it's like there's a. There's a space for this telepathy.

[Adam Thorne]

Totally.

[Ian]

It's like, all right, we can't explain it. It's kind of like magic.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And we just put it in the box next to all the rest of this stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

Did you ever see the Men who Stare at Goats?

[Ian]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like the CIA thing.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And it was sort of like, sort of documentary, like at the beginning of the movie.

[Ian]

It was like a mockumentary.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, the beginning of the movie. They say some of the events in this are true, which is a funny way to start something, right? Yeah. They don't tell you what.

[Ian]

No, but there's some truth in this.

[Adam Thorne]

The military forever has been like. They're sort of the least skeptical when it comes to studying things. They're like, all right, is this bullshit? Who knows?

[Ian]

Let's find out. What do they call it? Astroprojecting? Yeah, they've studied this for a long time.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Because they're like, hey, if it works, we don't really care why or how or super valuable or if it's weird. If we can use it, we will. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully they don't get it first.

[Ian]

Makes you think, like, what else are they studying?

[Adam Thorne]

Probably if you could see all the absurd things they'd studied, I bet you'd just bust over laughing.

[Ian]

Oh, no doubt. Yeah. They're trying everything. If you give them a big enough budget, they're going to try.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, they were like the first ones who were interested in psychedelics. They're like, eh, that's true. Maybe we could gas all of Germany with lsd.

[Ian]

Oh, well, there's that.

[Adam Thorne]

Maybe they should have.

[Ian]

There's that whole video of those British soldiers on lsd. It's like black and white. It's real old.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

And they're just walking around the woods and they're just trying. See if they follow orders.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Just all laughing.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Like, none of them are doing anything useful. They're like, all right, maybe this doesn't work. Yeah, you know, or maybe it does. Maybe just pour it in your enemy's water supply, Right. And watch them all giggle.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. They probably thought they'd turn into super soldiers, could read minds or something.

[Ian]

Something, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

They just. Would you look at a bug or something?

[Ian]

Would you? If this is, like research fully, they go into it deep. They're like, you know, they create a process for, like, this is kind of what we think happens and how they get their minds there. And then they come up with some sort of training for it. Even if it's like quite complicated and long. Wouldn't you want to do that? I would want to train to be able to be even a tiny bit telepathic.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

How useful could that be?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Well, I think it's interesting because, right. I'm a therapist, and so much of what you have to do in a therapy room is lean into the intuitive side of being a human. Right. Like, if you're too rational, like, who wants to talk to someone about, like, the nitty gritty inner part of life? If you're just talking to somebody who's in their head, like, just analyzing you, I don't want to do that. If I'm trying to work out something real and big, I want somebody who's, like, deep in it in life, like in their own experience, in my experience, like, all in. Right.

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And I think if we're all in our head, if we're, like, thinking in the theory, like, that doesn't do much. For me personally, when I'm interacting with someone like that, I don't get a lot out of it.

[Ian]

Sometimes it seems like the more detail somebody goes into describing something, let's say a scary event that happened in your lifetime.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

The more detail you go into while you're sat in front of me explaining it, the more you concentrate on the details to get as much information. To me, it's almost like the further away you get from the emotion of the actual thing. It's like, I was very scared during this. Well, I need to know how scared, but also what happened.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

But then ultimately the details are not as important as, like, how big is this fear and how much of it are you carrying all the time?

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

That's the message that's hard to get.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't need to understand. I need to feel you.

[Ian]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

More or less.

[Ian]

It seems more Helpful if you're trying to figure out how to help that person.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Now, as an investigator or a police officer or a detective.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

You need those. You know, you're not looking to. To kind of cure something with the individual. You need the story. So there's just different ways of doing it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. As a police officer on an. On an investigation, you don't. It might not even be helpful to know how someone felt.

[Ian]

Sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. You got to know where you can go with the facts.

[Ian]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay. Did they turn left or did they turn right? Yeah.

[Ian]

If they say that they were massively afraid and in shock, you're like. But it also might make their story less credible because people can't remember things as well under those conditions. They might just be too stressed.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Well, maybe. Maybe autism is going to save the world. You know, like the whole Temple Grandin thing, you know, she, like, could see. She could see what the cows could see. Like, what does that mean? I don't know. Who is this Temple Grandin? So she was like, I think in the 70s. She's an autistic girl. And she had some really good, like, mentors that, like, believed in her because she's very sharp, you know, and she kind of got pushed, kind of stuck in the corner at school and eventually found, like, some mentors who are like, hey, no, you know, you're very. You're very bright. You're very coherent. Let me help you out. Let me find an area where you can put your uniqueness to the, you know.

[Ian]

To work.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, put it to work. And she actually sort of revolutionized, ironically, cattle slaughtering. But because she was able, she could go into a feedlot. She was really interested in animals. She could go into a feedlot or go into a slaughterhouse and be like, what are you doing? This is the stupidest thing ever. Like, you know, if she could see, right? Like, they see a reflection and it spooks them, or they hear a loud noise and it freaks them out. And, you know, God bless them. A bunch of, like, cattle roughnecks, right? They don't. They don't care. They're like, ah, dumb cows. Like, push them through, push harder. If they're not going, push harder. That kind of thing, right? And she developed this whole. There's a good movie on it, but she developed this whole, like, this new method of getting them through a dunk tank, because you got to put them through a dunk tank to, like, sterilize them before you kill them and things that. And she created this system where you could Offload a ton of cows and you could get them going through at a steady stream and just get them through to the slaughter.

[Ian]

And then they were less stressed.

[Adam Thorne]

They were very calm. Right?

[Ian]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And a bunch of things go along with it. Exactly. A bunch of things. You could only know if you could see it the way the cows are seeing it. And that's like a little less supernatural, Right. Cause you just get it. You're like, oh, they're freaking out. I can think like a cow. I know how a cow works. Right. And you know, like Cesar Millan, the dog trainer, like anybody who's good at what they do, we kind of grant that. We're like, oh, I'll give you that. You. You understand it better than anyone else. You can see this in a way that nobody else can. Yeah, we're very comfortable with that. But that was her thing. She's very autistic and she was able to have this brilliant insight into something that, like, rationally trying to hit your head against a wall, you'd never get to.

[Ian]

Nice. I want to check that out for sure. I mean, you know, thank goodness she came up with something really useful for that skill. Because when you first started to talk about it, I thought to myself, how lame is that? That if you get the type of telepathy where you can only communicate with cows.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Ian]

And you just, like, all they do is think about grass.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And mooing.

[Adam Thorne]

You're like, listen to me, everybody. They're like, all right, cool. We believe you. Moving on.

[Ian]

Like, of course it was thinking about grass. That's what they, you know, I could have told you. That just goes nowhere.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

Oh, that's amazing. All right, so there's more examples of this type of thing.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

But I, Yeah, I got to check out the telepathy tapes. I want to. I think it's a series. It's not that long. Right. It's like six episodes.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I'm looking forward to the movie.

[Ian]

I want to check it out. I want to see the movie. And more importantly, I want to see if this picks up any more momentum and, you know, becomes something that is accepted, analyzed, studied, and, you know, in a weird way, it's giving. It gives the potential of a large voice to people that can't even speak at all.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And I think for me, the most interesting follow up after all this is like, I'm going to talk to more people about this. Be like, what? Yeah. When do you, when do you, like, think of somebody before they call or. Have you ever had moments where you, like had a dream and it came true. Like, I don't know. It's interesting. Why not talk about it?

[Ian]

It's cool. Yeah, because you might just find, oh, this is happening all the time to people.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Ian]

And it's one of those things that just doesn't get talked about and it gets easily dismissed.

[Adam Thorne]

And they're good stories.

[Ian]

It's good stories. All right. Thank you for being here. Thanks everyone for listening. We appreciate you as always. And check this one out. And we'll talk to you guys later.

[Adam Thorne]

Adios.

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