437 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Dr. Suzanne Humphries

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast
Episode 437: Review of Dr. Suzanne Humphries
Release Date: April 3, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

In Episode 437 of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast, hosts Adam Thorne and Sean delve deep into their analysis of Dr. Suzanne Humphries' appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience. This episode aims to unpack and critique the discussions surrounding vaccines, public health policies, and the broader implications on society.

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Overview of Dr. Suzanne Humphries and "Dissolving Illusions"

The episode centers around Dr. Suzanne Humphries' book, "Dissolving Illusions", first published in 2013 and later self-published after facing initial rejection from traditional publishers. Adam shares his personal experience, stating, "I own it. It's good" (04:31), highlighting the book's impact on his views regarding vaccines and medical science.

Sean adds, "The book is really interesting. I recommend people check it out if you're kind of curious about these sorts of things" (05:20), emphasizing the importance of exploring alternative viewpoints to mainstream medical narratives.

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Vaccine Trials and Critique

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the integrity and scale of vaccine trials. Adam questions the robustness of these trials, noting, "They only did a whole trial on 250 people. What were they doing in Bozeman?" (18:33). This skepticism is further fueled by Dr. Humphries' assertions that vaccine trials lacked proper scientific rigor, relying instead on biased methodologies.

Sean connects this to broader mistrust in the medical establishment, referencing RFK's critiques: "This was kind of the start, at least for me, of what put the idea that like the medical industry does not have our best interests at heart" (19:26).

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The Role of Pharmaceutical Companies and Publishing Challenges

The hosts critique the pharmaceutical industry's influence on public perception and medical practices. Adam states, "It's a massive moneymaker. They hope it works, but the technology just isn't there" (20:59), highlighting the profit-driven motives behind vaccine promotion.

The challenges faced by Dr. Humphries in getting her book published shed light on systemic censorship. Sean remarks, "There are so many levels to it, right? It's like the people doing the actual science... it's about saving lives" (20:59), contrasting the noble intentions of scientists with the profit motives of pharmaceutical companies.

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Discussion on COVID-19 and Public Health Policies

The episode delves into the handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, questioning the efficacy and motivations behind public health directives. Adam critiques the rapid implementation of vaccines, pointing out the minimal trial sizes: "They risk myocarditis for this, and then it, like, fucks up stem cell stuff" (47:38).

Sean shares personal anecdotes and broader societal observations: "There was never that conversation [about nutrition and health]. It was always like, did you get the vaccine?" (30:15), underscoring the sidelining of holistic health discussions in favor of pharmaceutical interventions.

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Impact on Society and Personal Reflections

The hosts reflect on the societal ramifications of enforced medical protocols and the erosion of trust in institutions. Adam discusses the pressure to conform, especially regarding vaccinations for children: "She was very liberal, so she's, like, pro the process... I just stick by what I believe" (48:15).

Sean emphasizes the importance of individual agency and questioning established norms: "Let the people think for themselves. Yeah." (62:40), advocating for informed personal decisions over mandated compliance.

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Wrapping up the episode, Adam and Sean encourage listeners to engage in independent research and remain skeptical of mainstream medical narratives. Adam asserts, "This is America, man... Do your own research." (64:36), reinforcing the podcast's mission to uncover and disseminate alternative perspectives from The Joe Rogan Experience.

The hosts underscore the significance of open dialogue and critical thinking in navigating complex health and societal issues, leaving listeners with a call to question and explore beyond conventional wisdom.

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Notable Quotes:

• Adam Thorne: "I'm not endorsing or saying we totally agree with any of these things that are being said. We're riffing, you know, we review, we're chewing on the discussion." (02:39)

• Sean: "This might either be the worst podcast or the best one." (01:26)

• Adam Thorne: "Give me another thing that could be true about nothing, you know." (37:53)

• Sean: "Let the people think for themselves." (62:40)

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Final Remarks

Episode 437 offers a comprehensive critique of Dr. Suzanne Humphries' perspectives on vaccines and public health, intertwining personal experiences with broader societal observations. By challenging mainstream narratives, Adam and Sean provide listeners with a platform to reconsider and scrutinize established medical practices.

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Note: Timestamps correspond to the transcript provided and are essential for locating specific discussions within the podcast.

Transcript

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[Sean]

This might either be the worst podcast.

[Adam Thorne]

Or the best one.

[Sean]

One go.

[Adam Thorne]

Enjoy the show. All right. Welcome back to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. My name is Adam, joined by good old Sean.

[Sean]

Seems to be a weekly thing now.

[Adam Thorne]

Welcome back, Sean. I'm roping you in.

[Sean]

Having me.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm roping you back in.

[Sean]

I feel like I'm always the like heavy hitting, like deep podcasts. I never get like a comedian or anything.

[Adam Thorne]

No.

[Sean]

Can we just make a bunch of gay jokes and have fun? Why do we always have to talk about government conspiracy theories?

[Adam Thorne]

I need. I need a real thinker though. This is your fault. You read too many books.

[Sean]

Not really. I've convinced you.

[Adam Thorne]

You're more of a Cliff Notes guy.

[Sean]

Yeah. Spark Notes. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Is that the new?

[Sean]

No. If anyone is actually getting their information from Spark Notes and is not like doing it to cheat on a test, you need to reevaluate Your life.

[Adam Thorne]

This is true.

[Sean]

A YouTube documentary has more information than spark notes in a book will give you.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, you can't bullet point a book. Maybe you can, maybe you can. Talking about bullet pointing, quick disclaimer for this one we are reviewing.

[Sean]

Is this the first disclaimer we've had on the show?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, this one's kind of a fake bullshit disclaimer, but I wanted to throw it in there because we're doing Dr. Suzanne Humphreys. And here's the thing, my family will listen to this and they'd be like, are you an anti vaxxer now? And I just can't have those conversations. Let's just say I'm a bit of one in some areas. Okay. Certain ones I don't like. I don't like the COVID vaccine. Does that make me a anti vaxxer? Maybe. I mean, that's. If you're against one, how many do you need to be against? But listen, the disclaimer is this before we jump in, ok, I'm not endorsing or saying we totally agree with any of these things that are being said. We're riffing, you know, we review, we're chewing on the discussion. We're just thinking about points and adding them into the total info of our lives. Right. So as we go along, and this is how I do all of the reviews and I get a lot of criticism for it. People be like, I can't believe that you agree with that. And I'm like, I'm reviewing the thing that was said and saying, oh, if that. If that's true, wouldn't that be wild?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Doesn't mean I go away. And I'm like, we didn't go to the moon then. I didn't necessarily agree with that moon guy, but he brought up some stuff that was interesting to think about. It's okay. Also, the haters are. There's a welcome space for them.

[Sean]

Yeah. Just to be clear, none of our names start with doctor. That is not on any government document you will find about any of us. So.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah. We cannot be trusted.

[Sean]

Do not take medical advice. Advice from this episode of the podcast. That being said, though, there is a lot of doubt, I feel.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Have you ever heard of a book, Dissolving Illusions?

[Sean]

Maybe I've heard of the name of it. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I own it.

[Sean]

Oh, really?

[Adam Thorne]

It's good.

[Sean]

Who wrote that one? Was that her book?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Oh, okay. Yeah, it came out a while ago. This was all pre covered stuff, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it's like 2013, I think.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's early on I got it.

[Adam Thorne]

I first heard about it maybe 2017, and it was, you know, before any Covid stuff. So it was like, fascinating to read, but I didn't take a lot of it seriously. I was just full on board with like, well, vaccines are still good, though. But it is interesting to hear about all these things. Obviously, since COVID you know, things have changed a little bit. But I mean, the book is. The book is really interesting. I recommend people check it out if you're kind of curious about these sorts of things.

[Sean]

Was when you read the book, was that, like, the first time that you, like, thought more about this topic and, like, put a little bit of doubt in your mind or did you kind of go in reading it being like, like, what was your initial impression after reading the book of honestly, how did it change your perception of.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, so honestly, this isn't like the first book or thing that I watched or read that, you know, goes against the zeitgeist of what's happening. You know, it's. Yeah, I. I've always been into, like, off the wall, kind of wacky ideas for things, especially when it comes to health. Like, I've always liked reading books that were like, you need to just eat potatoes. And it's like, all right, easy British book. And it's like some wild diet that you ever heard of. Penn and Teller?

[Sean]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

The magicians. They do like a lot of illusion things. Well, the bigger guy, he did this diet that was just potatoes that he knew of from this guy. He lost a lot of weight.

[Sean]

Did it make him disappear?

[Adam Thorne]

No, he just got thinner almost. I think that the diet is probably whack, but it worked for him. My point is, like, I would read those types of books.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, I just read enough to where I'm like, oh, that could be interesting. This one seemed interesting because it went so much of what I thought to be true for medical science. And while I'm reading it, it's like, logical. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Also, I had had all those vaccines because I was an adult.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I wasn't thinking about having kids. I wasn't in a place where I was like, really questioning it. It wasn't like I was going to go out and tell everyone, whoa, easy. But it just kind of gave me a broader idea of, like, before that book, I took them all for granted. Like, they work 100%. They're the best science.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I just kind of threw them in the same category is like, yeah, taking ibuprofen does help with inflammation, but if you take enough of it, your liver will collapse, so they're not good as well. And it just kind of went there. It just kind of told me that there's nothing that's actually perfect in medical science, which is reasonable. I think. I think that's. That's a. That's a trap that you don't want to get in. We always want to be questioning what we're taking and what's going on.

[Sean]

Yeah, I agree. And I feel like of all the conspiratorial, whatever put them all in one box topics, the vaccine one is definitely the one that people push back on the most or at least have the most resistance to share the other side about. And I mean, I feel that as well. Like, when I. I mean, by a.

[Adam Thorne]

Long way, though, nobody defends drugs in general. Maybe antibiotics people will defend. But you're right. Vaccines are like the king of a hill for that.

[Sean]

Yeah. Cause, like, yeah, when you ask people, like, what do you think about vaccines? They're like, oh, it's the greatest creation of all time. Like, that's how we're able to not collapse as a society. Like, that's why we don't have the plague anymore and stuff like that. And I think that's. Maybe some of that is true, but the whole idea that, like, vaccines are good regardless, like, just blindly accepting them, taking all of them, I. I think that with any topic, you know, you should always go into it trying to learn a little bit more about it. Like, that was the thing with COVID that I didn't really like, is like, it was so pushed upon that you must get the vaccine. You must get the vaccine. But there wasn't a whole lot of explanation of what it's doing, why it's doing that, how this is going to affect us. And also the one that kind of messed with me was people were getting vaccines and they were still transmitting the disease. They were still getting the disease. It's like, isn't that supposed to be. The whole point of the vaccine is not to reduce the spread of this. If you've already got Covid and you have the antibodies and it didn't get you sick, why do you still need the vaccine? That was my thinking. I only got the first one. And then I was like, I don't. Like, I'm a young kid. I exercise all the time. I'm pretty healthy. I didn't have a confirmed case of COVID I might have got it at some point. If I did, it was probably asymptomatic. I don't remember getting sick during COVID times, but I was like, if I'm fine, I don't need to take the vaccine. Yeah, my body can fight this off.

[Adam Thorne]

You weren't allowed to think that?

[Sean]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, if anything, if you talked about that openly at certain times, even some of your closest allies and friends would be like, you're a piece of shit, Sean. Oh, yeah, it was programmed, it was wild.

[Sean]

I feel like I played it smart though, because I just got the first one. So whenever people would ask me, oh, did you get the vaccine? I'd be like, yeah, I got it. And then whenever people would be like, the opposite side would be like, oh, did you get the COVID vaccine? And be like, yeah, but I just got the first one. You know, like, I would kind of play to both sides of it.

[Adam Thorne]

You just, you just.

[Sean]

But deep down I was skeptical. I was super skeptical.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I mean, the whole kind of thing in her book, and she alludes to this like with a lot of what she talks about in the podcast is that it's not that the vaccines throughout history have saved us. It's that sanitation, clean water, better food, they did it right.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And this is when no publisher would touch a book. They were like, nah, nah, nah, no chance.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So they self published and through that process sold a lot of books. And then eventually the publishers came back and said, hey, hey, yeah, no, we're totally publish it. You know, it's going to add legitimacy to it. This podcast is brought to you in part by Stash. Saving and investing can feel impossible. But with Stash, it's not just a reality, it's easy. Stash isn't just an investing app. It's a registered investment advisor that combines automated investing with dependable financial strategies to help you reach your goals faster. They will provide you with personalized advice on what to invest in based on your goals. Or if you want to just sit back and watch your money go to work, you can opt into their award winning expert managed portfolio that picks stocks for you. Stash has helped millions of Americans reach their financial goals and starts at just $3 per. Don't let your savings sit around. Make it work harder for you. Go to get.stash.com jrer to see how you can receive $25 towards your first stock purchase and to view important disclosures. That's get.stash.com jRer paid non client endorsement, not representative of all clients and not a guarantee. Investment advisory offered by Stash Investment LLC and SEC Registered Investment Advisor. Investing involves Risk offer is subject to tncs. And she was like, fuck off. No.

[Sean]

Yeah, but that was funny.

[Adam Thorne]

But Joe brought up a great point. It's like, when do you ever look at a book and you're like, wait, who published this? Yeah, this is an 1860. No one cares about who the publisher is.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

If it's self published and it's maybe like talking about flat earth, well, that's on you. Yeah, but otherwise it's like, well, they figured out how to publish it. I'll read it.

[Sean]

Yeah, I don't think you need to have like the legitimacy of a publisher to make your book, like, factual or anything. But if you're trying to. I mean, I. Good for her for being able to self publish and get it out there. But I know for a lot of writers, that path is basically 0% chance that that's going to work out. For most writers, it is extremely hard even to get publishers to be interested in your topic. And then if you're like, oh, I'm gonna go away from the publishers, gonna do it on my own. It's like, no one's gonna buy your book. Most of the time, it's very low probability that people buy your book. Even if you do get published, the percent of books that actually get read versus the amount that go into print is hugely skewed.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, especially because things like the New York Times. Is it the New York Times bestseller?

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's all bullshit.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, they basically buy their way on there.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And that was highlighted with RFK in his book, the Real Anthony Fauci that was a top seller but never listed on that. Yeah, because they didn't, like, we can't.

[Sean]

We can't promote this topic.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, we don't like this. Yeah, it's like, okay, isn't the idea of like, quote unquote, burning the books all about this, like, dangerous censorship, you know, dystopian future. Yet isn't it similar if you control the fucking list of popular books?

[Sean]

Yeah, I mean, people. The ones that people pay attention to.

[Adam Thorne]

But think about it. That would be the same as if Apple podcasts or Spotify just went, oh, well, Joe Rogan's number one. But we just don't put him on the list. Yeah, because we don't like the things he talks about. That's a massive disservice. Because if it's very popular with people, other people should know. That's why things get five star reviews. That's why ratings exist. That's why Yelp exists.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, how else do you know that this piece of shitty furniture that you're buying from Amazon is any good unless you look at the reviews?

[Sean]

Yeah, it's the same thing that, like the Academy Awards do you know, it's like, supposed to be this, like the vote. People bring in the vote for the Grammys and it's like the vote is fake as fuck. It's like they do the same thing. They pick who they want to promote, they pick who they have, like contracts with, like 100%.

[Adam Thorne]

The fact that Predator didn't win any. Predator 1 with Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't win an Academy Award for most badass movie of all time.

[Sean]

Yeah. Ever since or like beyond Beyonce getting like the country album of the year, it's like, come on, that's fucking stupid. Like, their kids, Jay Z and Beyonce's kids have Grammys.

[Adam Thorne]

Do you know that there's rumors that Jay Z basically paid for that?

[Sean]

Oh, no, it is, it's. It's confirmed pretty much. Because 50 Cent talks about this. Once they signed that, like, marriage.

[Adam Thorne]

The best.

[Sean]

Once they signed that marriage agreement, they started getting all the Grammys. They have like 20 something Grammys between the two of them. And it was after they signed this, like, marriage agreement and basically bought their way into the establishment.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That they started getting all these awards. But there's so many artists that talk about how fake the Grammys are.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Sean]

All of those.

[Adam Thorne]

Quick shout out to 50 cent for being an absolute legend.

[Sean]

He is a legend.

[Adam Thorne]

It's, it's. He's almost like the Alex Jones of rapping. It takes a while before you're like, wait, what? Epstein island is real. It takes a while for some of.

[Sean]

His profits ahead of the time. My favorite one is when one of the talk show hosts or whatever it is, was talking about how much money 50 Cent has. And he totally plays into it, but he's like, you have a lot of money, too. I don't remember which one of the stupid comedians are doing those shows now, but it was one of them. And it wasn't any of the Kimmels. It was one of the other guys. I can't remember. One of the annoying ones.

[Adam Thorne]

Colbert.

[Sean]

Yeah, it was Colbert. And he's like, you've been on TV for how many seasons? It's like over 10 seasons. Like, you have a lot of money too. This is big money. Like, don't act like you're amongst the people. Like, you have just as much money as I do, motherfucker.

[Adam Thorne]

It's so true.

[Sean]

And he tries to like play it down and shit. It's, it's so funny. But he calls him out so hard.

[Adam Thorne]

I love it. I absolutely love it. Next up, vaccine trials. This is always a big thing and it's kind of contentious because it's like, you know, they still did their trials. The trials are good. It's like the, the discussions I've had with people where I like, I always go in like, well, what? How do we know they did like. Well, we just got to believe them. The scientists did that. They did all the trials. I'm like, did they?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Where does it say that? How can we be sure? Are we allowed to ask? That's where it got weird. And you know, Suzanne, Dr. Humphries, sorry, respect. Was like, well, she went hard on those trials and said they're not scientific and they're just getting worse. Which is a bold statement, right? No saline placebos, just vaccines on vaccine tests, hiding like the real risks. And then, you know, she kind of talks about the aluminum in there, mercury. She calls out Pfizer. Only 252 people got the E. Coli version, which is like how they made it before. Billions of people dead.

[Sean]

Really? They did a whole trial on 250 people.

[Adam Thorne]

Seems like a small group. What were they doing in Bozeman? Yeah, get some more people.

[Sean]

Well, that was a lot of the same stuff that RFK was talking about when he went on Rogan a while ago and when he started being really popular way before the presidency, during COVID actually, he was talking about how the COVID tests and the trials that they were doing were not regulated correctly and they were misinforming people on the actual results and like moving goalposts to make themselves seem like it was all accurate. And that was, that was kind of the start, at least for me, of what put the idea that like the medical industry does not have our best interests at heart. At least not fully. Yeah, there's a lot of fucked up shit going on there. And a lot of it, especially these big pharmaceutical companies are just so greedy, so money hungry. Like that's what a lot of it is.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, you could imagine that, you know, because there's so many levels to it, right? It's like the people doing the actual science, often it's, it's very specialized, so it's all divided up like you're doing enzymes, you're doing this one, you're doing like, you know, like pill production, something like that. Like you're gaining this kind of ketone for this molecule that we're then going to change into this racemic index of some other compound and then they make the pharmaceutical. All those people to that level, even within the system that they work in can be like pumped up, motivated, educated, with this whole PowerPoint of we're helping people, it's about saving lives, it's about this and that. Yet at a different level there's like the sales team, the marketing team, the PR team, how they get the message out, you know, the lobbyists that deal with government and they're like, well, we need to make sure that we can't be sued for these things because they represent the company. So it's not like everyone together is this evil type of individual that's just like, oh yeah, we're just in it for money. I'm sure there are plenty of levels of people really doing their best, but ultimately it seems like as a whole, when you're looking at the picture, it's like a massive moneymaker. They hope it works, but the technology just isn't there. They don't really do it well. And then there's this whole backend where you can't sue them.

[Sean]

Oh yeah, that's the scary part is when they, when they pay.

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[Sean]

For immunity and stuff like that. That's scary. But yeah, I mean, you bring up a good point, is like I think this is true with a lot of the corrupt organizations that are out there is you have a lot of people working on the ground level that are decent, good people that are actually trying to help people and doing it for the good of their heart, like they're genuinely good people. But the overall direction that the company is moving and the message and everything like that is so skewed and they're moving in the complete opposite direction. But the people working on those levels, like the lower levels don't understand fully what's going on, but it's not their fault. You know what I'm saying? It's not fair to get mad at them. You got to get mad at the people who are in control, the people who are actually moving the chess pieces and. And pushing things in certain directions.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Sean]

The woman that works at the DMV is a bitch just because she's getting underpaid and her life sucks. But that doesn't mean that everyone in the government is a cunt. Like, there are a lot of good people in government, and there are a lot of, like, people who are actually doing good things. It's just the overall organization is moving in a direction. Like, the people who are pulling the strings are the ones to blame. And those people are always. No one knows who they are.

[Adam Thorne]

No one knows. And they have immunity, too.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. So here's a mind blower. So Dr. Humphrey says that arsenic poisoning is, like, mimics the polio's neurological damage, like paralysis and neuropathy. Right. So this one, it was like. It's a tough sell. It's like, conspiracy level.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Things. But let's just assume that she has looked at this. The research made sense. And I don't know how she could go down a path of just, like, making this up. Like, that's where I question it. But it's like DDT and mercurials, too. Think livestock and those dips that they had in the 40s. So she's arguing that tons of polio cases were misdiagnosed toxin hits, not viruses. Tons of toxins. So once the vaccines rolled out, they relabeled the leftovers of some sort of thing, and then they cut the toxins. Yeah, like, yeah, that sounds super conspiratorial. But, like, I don't know. How do you even check that that could be true other than, like, oh, I believe her. I'll take her word for it.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's tough. Like, even. Yeah. I really wonder how she went about doing all this research. And I'm curious where the information is coming from, because you look into these things, like, even just Google search or any one talking point, and all the results you see are pro. Pro vaccine, pro everything. It's very hard to find. Not pro information, which maybe it's because it's good. Well, but maybe there's. Maybe there's that. But also, we got to believe that's the. That's the hard part about this is. And that's what makes it confusing for the average listener or just people who are curious is it's very hard to do research on your own and figure it out. Like, you're in the doctor, doctor's office, they give you three choices of what you're about to do to. To whoever. Like, you got to get this vaccine. And you're like trying to look up this shit on your phone. It's like, good luck, dude.

[Adam Thorne]

Right?

[Sean]

Good luck. This woman spent. How long did she spend? And she was living in her. What was it, a tent?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

A tent's doing research for years. Like that's, that's hardcore.

[Adam Thorne]

And she knew people would shit on her. Like, here's the thing, if she sounded or seemed. And look, you can't understand someone just from a few hours of an interview. But like, there are actually recluse people out there. They have a type of way about them. It doesn't take long to figure out who recluses are. They're often introverts and kind of withdrawn and skeptical of humanity as a whole. There's also people that are self destructive, that exist. The kind of people that would write a book that are like, happily will get them a ton of attention, even though they know there's a lot of hate behind it and people will discredit them. She doesn't seem to fit any of those psychologies to me. So then I'm thinking, well, why would you spend this time doing this, knowing that this is going to hit so hard? Unless you were really seeing some things lining up.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like the difficult question there is like, how good of a researcher is she, you know, comparatively? And at the same time it's like kind of logical. And this is why I think so. I don't know how they diagnose things for polio. In the past. I don't even know much about polio. Right. I've seen a couple of people that, you know, years ago suffered from it and still have like an arm that's all fucked up or like it was bad.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

However, well, ironically, they were ranchers as well, which really lined up with what she was saying. But that could just be a coincidence. But then I also know how they were diagnosing Covid and especially COVID deaths during COVID Yeah. Remember when they were signing almost every type of thing and hospitals were incentivized to be like, that was a COVID death. All these old people died of COVID Yeah.

[Sean]

Because if more people, if you could report more people died from COVID in your hospital, you were granted more funding.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. So it does kind of line up for that reason. It's like, well, it would make sense that in the 40s, diagnosing what is polio, especially if people are getting this, like, arsenic poisoning at the same time or whatever. Was.

[Sean]

Was it.

[Adam Thorne]

It was arsenic, right? Yeah. If that was what was poisoning them as well. And the signs were very similar because every diagnosis is not the same. It's not like they have a special tool like on.

[Sean]

Yeah. Fucking 40s and 50s.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Where they, like, scan your body and it's like, oh, polio. You gotta, like, guess stuff. They're like, oh, your body's not working on the left side. Probably polio.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

We need to make a vaccine. And then they clean up certain things. I mean, she did say something like three. So lifespan is increased, and we often assign that to modern medicine. Like, oh, we live way longer because of this. And she's saying that through studies that it's actually only 3.5% of that is attributed to modern medicine. The rest of it is, like, clean water, better food.

[Sean]

We're not drinking shit water anymore. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, it's like people used to drink fucking puddle water not long ago.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah, that's bad. Shitting in the streets.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. It's just wearing you out. It's just wearing your immune system, like, slowly. Just. You know.

[Sean]

One of the things that I liked about her was she made an insistence a lot of times on the importance of nutrition and just general health things. I feel like a lot of medical professionals miss this a lot of times. Or it's a later conversation of like, oh, you're having this and that issues. You need to have some sort of medication, or, oh, you didn't get this. Whatever shot, or something like that. But a lot of. Especially during COVID I mean, this was incredibly obvious was the amount of time, like, no one was saying that during COVID of like, hey, let's. Let's work on your diet, or let's work on some exercise or whatever it is. You know, there was never that conversation. It was always like, did you get the vaccine? Are you taking your. Whatever pills they're prescribing? Or whatever it is. It's. It's. And I feel like a lot of the medical industry suffers from this a lot. And I felt this a lot as a kid. Is. It's not like, hey, can we work on these problems from a behavioral side of things? Or let's look at your lifestyle or health or, you know, your diet, stuff like that. It's like, oh, there's a chemical imbalance. We have to fix this with medicine, you know.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Sean]

There's never the discussion of, how is your general health overall? Are you eating enough vegetables Are you exercising? Are you sleeping enough? Like there's never that conversation.

[Adam Thorne]

That's a good question. And. Well, a good thing to think about because at the beginning of COVID and I don't know if if like the younger generation. How old were you when Covid started?

[Sean]

I just graduated high school.

[Adam Thorne]

Gee.

[Sean]

So yeah, Yeah, I was 18 years old.

[Adam Thorne]

Just in a lot of ways, starting life, right? I mean, that's like, oh, I'm just now not being a kid, right. So I'd been an adult for a while and I believed in all the systems and all the processes and I felt like the government knew how to take care of us. All of a sudden this thing drops. And I noticed that we weren't getting any information like that about being healthy. I was like, but wait, you're saying it's really bad. So because we isolated and I don't know how you had to like isolate or be. Were you just at home with your parents or.

[Sean]

I. Funny story. I actually got kicked out of my parents house for smoking weed. Like right before we got kicked out of school for Covid or. Yeah, literally right before we got kicked out of school for Covid. And I was living with my best friend at the time, and then they canceled school and then the whole pandemic, like kind of shut down. But I was lucky enough because everyone wanted to go home. I was living in a college town. This was when I was in Florida. And there was a bunch of like really inexpensive sublets because people just wanted to get out there. So I was able to get an apartment by myself. And I still have my job and everything, but I was basically by myself. I mean, I would hang out with my friends sometimes, but yeah, I mean, I was by myself most of the time during COVID and the lockdown.

[Adam Thorne]

Wasn't crazy in Florida, right?

[Sean]

For the most part, not at first, no. They were really weird about it, but in general, I would say it was pretty loose. Like Florida got a lot of shit early on. Oh yeah. Kind of throughout the whole pandemic of not following lockdown procedures and being pretty loosey goosey.

[Adam Thorne]

They all lived.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's fine. But at the time I was fully into it. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, why are they throwing a company lunch at work? Like we're gonna spread the virus and all that shit.

[Adam Thorne]

I was totally with that too. Like, I wasn't. I didn't feel like I was being ignorant to it at first. I had to battle with that later when I got more skeptical. But at first I Was like, oh, we can't work. I was in la and they were real fellow.

[Sean]

Yeah, California was the worst.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, New York might have been worse than Manhattan, but. But Cali was up there, right? And people took it seriously. They really did. Like, literally all my friends, there was no discussion of, like, this. We're gonna hang out. It was like, let's just stay in our places. But I'll tell you what we do. We're all gonna on zoom. And remember when zoom stuck, like, so we would do these like, really great. And a lot of people out there are comedians, actors, like, they're screenwriters. They're trying to do cool stuff. So they love this. It was like this area to perform almost.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And we would. I would set up like through the day. Like, you know, whether I set them up or other people just had him going. It was like three or four, like, of these, like hour long zoom meetups with all these different groups of people. It was like weirdly more social than my regular social life. So it was like a way for us all to kind of connect. And we, we'd be back and forth on like, what are you doing about this? What's going on here? And people would throw ideas around. And it's quickly became in just that world, it was like, hey, guys, start working out if you haven't done it. Like, that's one of the quickest ways to get healthy. This could be really serious. Get healthy. People were talking about green juices, you know, non sugary green juices. Oh, yeah, blend them up. We could still go to the store. You have to like separate and wait in line and two people down one aisle and all that, but you could still go do it. And people were green juicing. I was watching people getting in shape. I was getting in shape. I had this kettlebell in my front room and I worked out like a normal amount before that, you know, a few times a week. Just, you know, keep your body together. I mean, I was 38 or 9 at the time, close to that. So it was like, yeah, you got to work out, otherwise you just fall apart. But I had this kettlebell and every time I walked past it, whether I went to the restroom or just had to go through my living room, I would do a kettlebell set.

[Sean]

Oh, there you go.

[Adam Thorne]

It started being like 100 plus kettlebell swings a day. And I just started to get in great shape. And I was like, oh, this seems like the way. And like, what type of nutrients are you taking? All the rest of it, however, that was not what they were saying on the news. That was not what they were saying on tv. There was nothing, no talk of that at all.

[Sean]

Even taking vitamins. No one said shit about that.

[Adam Thorne]

And vitamin D was a big one. And that's very true.

[Sean]

And zinc. Yeah, and zinc.

[Adam Thorne]

I remember they can get you zinc and vitamin D. For the trillions that that cost the U.S. economy, they could have sent packages of supplements and vitamins and. Well, same thing. But also probably even meals to people.

[Sean]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, like low sugar, healthy meals. I mean, you know, so it isn't even like a cost thing. There was some other motivation there and it was just the kind of like it seemed to just throw us towards this idea that nothing else will help except isolating yourself, which is the most depressing thing a human can do.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like the biggest punishment they give you in prison and you're already in prison.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And then take this vaccine that it turns out they tested on 250 people before they gave it to billions.

[Sean]

Yeah. Well, that's the thing too with the whole vaccine. One is there's like no gray area. It's like you have to take the vaccines. And it's crazy too. Like even just from a business perspective, forget the fact that it's a drug. If you somehow convince everyone in the world from birth that they need to take something and it's a requirement and if you don't, you'll be chastised and called an anti vaxxer and lose your job or whatever else comes with die. Yeah, like that would be crazy. The amount of control that you have is insane to do that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I mean you could imagine a world where if that was never questioned, it would be like 50 times a year you got to go in for your jabs.

[Sean]

I know so many people that would go in and get their boosters all the time.

[Adam Thorne]

And they were so proud of it.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, I've had a bunch of shots. And they're like, how many times you have Covid? And they're like five. And you're like, how does that work? I don't get it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Bless them. Thank God for my closest friends that I could still talk shit to. They wouldn't get too defensive about it. I'd just be like, seriously?

[Sean]

One of the things that freaked me out. And it was she said in a 1984 registrar went out to all the medical people and said, this is what she said, quote, any doubts whether or not well founded about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist. So anything bad you have to say about this, we can't accept. Can't accept any pushback. It's all positive, all of it. That's. That's not good. That's. That's scary.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that's really scary.

[Sean]

Yeah, that one freaks me out because.

[Adam Thorne]

Give me another thing that, that could be true about nothing, you know, and they, they do that when we go to war. Like they do like after 9, 11, it was like everyone was pumped to like go kill someone. Yes, we are real mad about those buildings.

[Sean]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

That may or may not have been get to that. But we were real mad. So it was like, who do we get? Who?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And they just like jumped to Iraq. That didn't do it. They didn't even try to frame Iraq with it. They were just like, oh yeah, we're.

[Sean]

Going there now, we're invading Iraq.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, they probably had something to do with it. But we're mad anyway, so let's get someone. I mean it just like slipped right.

[Sean]

In and it happens so quick too.

[Adam Thorne]

You. It was hard to be like an anti war person then. For sure.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, to just be like, yeah, we're not doing anything. But this idea that other treatments can't be. Like to do the emergency authorization act thing.

[Sean]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

The requirements for it are that it means that nothing else works. Like the point of the emergency authorization saying there can't be anything else that works means. It doesn't mean make everything that works not sound like it works.

[Sean]

Yeah. It means this is the last resort.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. It means if nothing else works.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

If we're absolutely fucked, it's basically martial law. And we go. But it turns out that's not how it worked at all. All they had to do is be like, what is that? Chloroquine. What's that one called something? Chloroquine.

[Sean]

And then I'm not sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, that and the horse de wormer Ivermectin and these other ones, these peptides and some other. That they were using. They basically just demonize them all. Shut them off, made them impossible to get. You know, made Joe Rogan look like an idiot for using him.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean the whole horse dewormer thing was just like what?

[Sean]

Yeah, I think for at least for me. And I bet this is the same for a lot of people. The whole Covid situation, the way it was handled, the aftermath of that, all the stuff that's come out afterwards has put a lot of doubt in my mind. About the medical establishment and the way that they do things and the efficacy behind it. Like, obviously, there's no doubt that we need some sort of a medical program. Like, we can't just have a bunch of people dying. But the fact that the way that everything is set up is. So it's just set up on making money, you know, it's not about helping people. It's about how can we stronghold the industry and have our products be the only one available and we'll buy immunity. And we just want to make money, you know?

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Sean]

It's. It's terrible.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. We can't go back to just, like, rubbing garlic on our wounds. I get it.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, but there are elements of, like, the idea that modern Western medicine can't say, other than like a very brief off the cuff, like, well, yeah, exercise and eat good. That's important. But to be like, food heals you, you know, that should be like a big part of the discussion.

[Sean]

I mean, it's kind of common sense. What you put in your body is going to have an effect on the way that you feel, you know, and people underestimate that a lot as well as, like, not only what the medical establishment is doing, but a lot of. When you listen to rfk and there's been a lot of other people talking about just the food industry in the US Especially just how terrible all of it is for us.

[Adam Thorne]

So fucking wild. The RFK runs the HHS now. Like, the fact that he would listen to this podcast and, like, agree with everything the doctor is talking about, for sure, he would be like, fuck, yeah, that's true.

[Sean]

Like, I talked about that in my book.

[Adam Thorne]

And now. Right. And now he's in charge of this thing. It's.

[Sean]

Yeah. He's been getting some pushback from that, though, hasn't he? Recently, I've heard a lot of. Because a lot of the young people who were RFK fans, like, for him running for president, I know a lot of them have kind of turned. Well, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, he jumped over to Trump's side.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, that's. It's reasonable that he was going to lose some people.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. But the damage, like, fucking Kamala wasn't going to pull him on board. So now he's in the position he wanted to be in other than be the president, and he can make the changes that he sees fit. And, you know, I mean, it was a good move for what he needed to do, I think.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But obviously it was going to upset some people. And, you know, I also support Whether at like, I don't think that everybody should have gone that direction. I just liked him. And to me it like, I like Tulsi, I liked him. And that kind of made me like Trump a bit more, I gotta say.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Because I was like, well, at least some people I really liked. I would have voted just for him. If I had voted.

[Sean]

Yeah, I would have. I would have definitely voted for rfk. And I'm hopeful. Like, he talked a lot about banning a lot of the dyes and shit that they're putting in our food nowadays. Like, Red 40 is literally. They've had tests and shown that it makes young boys more aggressive. And like, I knew people I knew. I had a buddy when I was living in Florida. I was in, I think middle school. And first couple times I hung out with this dude, his mom was like, hey, by the way, not a big deal, but don't give him red Gatorade. And I was like, oh, okay, why? And she's like, oh. He becomes like really aggressive. And I was like, huh? Whoa. Really?

[Adam Thorne]

Really?

[Sean]

And she was like, yeah, we've figured out that, like red. She didn't mention the dye, but she was like, yeah, red dyes are like, make him aggressive and shit. And he was a pretty chill dude. Like, I could definitely tell that he could. He had the tendencies to become an aggressive dude, but he was chill. But yeah, his mom was like, we figured it out. Yeah, it's red dye that does it for him. That's what makes him more aggressive. I mean, look, I didn't think about it my entire life until, I guess, kind of recently when all of this shit came out. And now I actively avoid RED40 and any kind of dyes. I did buy a box of pop Tarts the other day though.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, yeah, you would have to buy junk food to have it, right?

[Sean]

Yeah, I'm not gonna buy those off brand pop Tarts. They taste like ass.

[Adam Thorne]

That's a good point.

[Sean]

Those organic pop tarts are shit.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. Just don't eat pop Tarts. Yeah, like you're a grown up now.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's true.

[Adam Thorne]

That's kind of, you know, childish. It's baby food. Yeah, it's like when grown ups tell me they still have cereal, I just shake my head. You can't be against dude cereal. Come on, dumb. Have eggs.

[Sean]

A bowl of Reese's Puffs is way better meal than anything that has ever come out of a British person's kitchen.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm not gonna defend that. I'm not gonna. The big thing about rfk, though, that I'm wondering is like, okay, so you got these dies out. That's cool. But it always seems like they get to do very little. You know, it's like, even. I think even Obama's wife was, like, doing this health thing for a while and was, like, really coming out and, like, met all the cereal companies and met everyone and is like, yeah, we're gonna make kids healthier. And then it just ended up being like, we just gotta move more.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And it turned into this, like, big dance that she did. And I'm like, huh? Now, obviously, there's a lot of pressure and a lot of money from these companies.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, RFK's kind of broken through that a little bit. You know, he's got one of the big fast food places to do beef tallow instead of whatever shitty seed oils they had before, which is great. I can't. I think it was shaken shaking something.

[Sean]

Shake Shack.

[Adam Thorne]

Shake Shack? Yeah, I was gonna say shake and bake. I'm like, that's all right. Yeah, Shake Shack did it. Good for them. But the big ones are like, he's talked a lot about mercury and, like, methylmercury in these different, like, flu vaccines and MMR type shots that they give kids. Like, these being bad, is he gonna be powerful enough to remove this? Is there a logical process for that to happen?

[Sean]

Yeah, I hope so. There's a lot of backing by the other side, though. I mean, you have to not only go against all of the lobbyists and all of the things like that, but you have to disprove all of these things, which is incredibly hard to do. And then all of their fake studies that they've done, you somehow have to prove that those are fake, and then they have to develop ones that are actually good and all this stuff. It seems like a very, very strong uphill battle.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Because, yeah. The pharmaceutical industry, in the medical industry, especially in the US is so powerful. It's so powerful.

[Adam Thorne]

So much money.

[Sean]

Companies have so much money. So much money.

[Adam Thorne]

Something like 75% of the advertising for, like, TV is pharmaceutical companies.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, think about what that means.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's crazy surprised that people aren't talking about how great pharmaceuticals are in, like, regular TV shows where they're just like, oh, yeah. You know, it's like friends. And they're like, oh, I feel great today after taking all this cold medicine.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, it's just like. That is. However, on the flip side, you've got. They want to give Covid shots to 6 month olds.

[Sean]

That one's a little weird.

[Adam Thorne]

So I think the fatality risk is something like.01%. Like in the tens of thousands.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And then they risk myocarditis for this, and then it, like, fucks up stem cell stuff. And, like, there's some, like, real measurable things that are negative.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, that's. That's a reasonable thing to think about. Look, I have a one year old, right. She's going through her shot. She had some vaccines.

[Sean]

I was gonna ask, but I didn't want to bring it up. How are you navigating that with her?

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I'll tell you what. I. My wife is. She's very liberal, so she's, like, pro the process. And her parents are like, hey, you got to have all these. And, you know. Or this. Any of the eventual schools that she's going to go to require these things. So, like, I do feel those pressures also. I feel, like, the pressure that, hey, I don't fucking know enough. Yeah. To like. I'm going to feel like a real asshole if she gets measles. And I'm like, well, I still stick by what I believe. And then she just like, oh, my God, that. Thanks a lot. Science existed, you idiot. Yeah, but there were a few adjustments I made. I didn't want to be completely pigeonholed. They wanted to give her happy day one. And when this tiny little thing was presented to me, day one of being born, I was like, hold the phone. Yeah, I don't think she's gonna get hepatitis B. You tested the mother? I don't have it. Unless one of the nurses sneezes in her face or however the hell you get it. I'm pretty sure it's, like, mostly intravenous drug use, and, like, it's not super easy to get it. Anyway. I assumed all the nurses were clean, and I was like, I'm gonna give her a month to, like, just exist.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And just, you know, cry herself out, do what she needs, and then maybe do that. So she's, like, kind of late on that one. I didn't do the COVID one. I did the flu one. But not the combination. So often the combination ones have the mercury in, from what I understand.

[Sean]

Oh, really?

[Adam Thorne]

And, yeah, we've just kind of, like, really spread them out. And, you know, there was some time we were in Europe and we didn't get them then. So she's just had, like, extra time to kind of develop her immune system. But also, that's my point. I'm not, like, totally against it too. It's just like, I just don't know enough of it.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But I think it's, like, worth questioning what kind of sucks about. It is it's hard to get the information. Anytime you do Google it. Mostly they're like, you should take them all. This is how it works. And then you get these fringe people like we're talking about that are like, no, I don't think you should have any. And I know people that are like, I'm not giving my kids any. I haven't. Yeah, their kids are alive and fine and not autistic.

[Sean]

Yeah. So what was the reaction? Like, did you get any pushback when you. When they, when you said no to any of the vaccines? Was there, like, did they get upset at you or anything?

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, no, the doctors and. I mean, maybe I didn't. I wouldn't have paid attention because I.

[Sean]

Know later in life if you don't have a lot of this stuff, it's really hard. Like, I knew a kid in high school who, his mom was weird. He was a weird kid too, but I guess she was like an anti vaxxer. And he didn't have his vaccines. And before he went to college, he got like a scholarship to Dartmouth. And before he went to college, they required him to get his shots. They're like, we're not going to accept you unless you get these vaccine shots.

[Adam Thorne]

Really?

[Sean]

So he had to go and do them.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, that's interesting. I don't remember college ever asking me for my medical records.

[Sean]

I remember when I applied, they wanted to have proof that I had my shots because I had to go in during high school. I had to go in during high school to get some. They should question like, this guy's up. Hold on.

[Adam Thorne]

How tall is this?

[Sean]

No, they were like, this guy's too smart. We need to nerf him and make him dumber so he doesn't make a mockery of our school and get his degree in two weeks. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Huh. Okay. So they do ask for medical. Yeah. I don't. Maybe they did with me. I don't remember. I. I wouldn't have questioned it because probably I would have already had all those things. Maybe it just ran through. So was it harder on him as an individual to have those later in life?

[Sean]

I don't think so. I'm not friends with him anymore. I don't talk to him anymore. He was kind of a piece of shit, so. But regardless.

[Adam Thorne]

Shout out to that guy.

[Sean]

Yeah, regardless. I remember him talking about that and complaining about that, and I was Like, I mean, at the time, I was like, dude, that's tough shit. Sorry your mom didn't love you. You know, like, sorry your mom's a weird hippie. Well, you live in the wood.

[Adam Thorne]

You can go too far the other way. Yeah. I mean, for sure.

[Sean]

It's hard to draw the line.

[Adam Thorne]

To be fair, he lived. He still lived.

[Sean]

He. He was actually. He was a really arrogant dude. And so it was really funny. This. We did rowing in high school. That's how he got into Dartmouth, was through a rowing scholarship. And I heard once he got into Dartmouth, it's like a big party school. And so he got, like, really slow and gained a bunch of weight and got fat from drinking, which was hilarious because he never drank at all in high school.

[Adam Thorne]

No way.

[Sean]

He was, like, very, like, PC and very, like, chill. He was a weirdo, though. He's kind of a creep, too. But it was the Slag this guy off. No. Fuck this, dude. I've been waiting for this. Go easy. Yeah. It was just kind of funny when the news came back, everyone on the team was like, huh? He wasn't really that good. He became fat, got slow.

[Adam Thorne]

I did notice that the friends of mine that used to give me a hard time for, like, either hosting or going to parties that had booze. Like, I'd have, like, real, like, never. I'm never drinking.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I give myself to Jesus. Or maybe they weren't even religious. They were just like, I don't do that. And, yeah, they try and make me feel terrible about it. And I just always would say the same thing. I'm like, bro, you're gonna grow up, get in your 20s, go to college, realize you missed out and go too hard.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Realize this is just, like, not a big deal if you just, you know, it's not like I'm blacking out at 14.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So it's just like, hey, it's not yet. Obviously, we're breaking some rules. People can do that.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's not the worst thing ever.

[Sean]

There's lessons you gotta learn in drinking when you're young.

[Adam Thorne]

And everyone that has a good relationship with booze, like, from kind of, like, the beginning of it until now, didn't have, like, moments where they were just, like, really being a mess with the kids that I would say responsibly drank in a high school.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, I'm not condoning it for the listeners out there, but also, like, easy with everyone that does it is bad thing, because eventually you'll be old enough to do it and you know, there's a good chance you'll go too hard because you won't have a healthy relate.

[Sean]

You won't understand, you won't know when it's too much. Yeah, 100%.

[Adam Thorne]

What did you think about the nicotine Covid connection? That was interesting. Now I don't know if it's just because I'm a bit of a zen guy.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

That I'm always trying to look for the positives. Now I don't want to do it to the detriment. I'm not trying to be like, yeah, smoking's good for your health. No, it's not. It's real bad. But nicotine is natural compound, right?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I guess arsenic and you know, a bunch of terrible compounds are also natural. But it's like nicotine is a naturally very addictive compound that seems to be fairly non toxic and has potentially nootropic effects. It's a stimulant.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, there are some concerns.

[Sean]

It's just how you put it in your body. Like the bad part about put it.

[Adam Thorne]

In your mouth, you can't go the other way.

[Sean]

Well, no, I'm just saying like the issue is, the issue is how you get your nicotine. So like the problem with smoking cigarettes is all the other carcinogens and the tar that builds up in your lungs and all. Like that's why smoking cigarettes isn't healthy. The nicotine doesn't cancel it out. But you are right, nicotine as a compound by itself is not in itself harmful. It is addictive. And there are downsides, but it's not going to kill you necessarily. Yeah, but the act of smoking cigarettes or like people who do dip, it's like bad for your gums or whatever it is. Same thing with Zins. Probably. A little bit. Zins are probably the. I say this like I'm a medical expert, but Zins are probably the safest form of nicotine.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I asked you this anecdotally. You do Zins. Are your gums up? No bleeding. Are they sore?

[Sean]

No. I'm pretty new to the though. But I mean I used to smoke cigarettes. We both used to smoke cigarettes. And don't throw me under the bus, we used to smoke them together. That was before you had your kid.

[Adam Thorne]

Secret six.

[Sean]

And yes, cigarettes are terrible. I could feel it. You do feel with Zins it kind of suppresses your appetite a little bit, but not nearly as much as cigarettes.

[Adam Thorne]

There's no way they're carcinogenic.

[Sean]

Yeah, I thought it was funny though, in the Podcast.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, but before we get off that, the nicotine connection is that there are receptors that nicotine binds to that Covid also would. So if you had higher levels of nicotine in your system, even if you were like being a smoker, which is unhealthy, you had better protection against Covid, which is like a weird irony. Yeah, just random as fuck.

[Sean]

But then at the same time, a lot of. Well, it's hard to say. A lot of people that were dying from COVID quote unquote, were dying because they had like respiratory issues or heart failure or whatever it is. And some of that does come from smoking, but a lot of it was just people being out of shape and like overweight and things like that. But yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was interesting. And it. I have known people who smoke before and they're like, yeah, I never get sick. And then you hear them like hack up along when they're smoking, you know, but they never get the flu.

[Adam Thorne]

I saw a great Instagram the other the day and it's like one of those like fake news network ones. Like, it's obviously a joke, but it just so showed like scientific researcher interviewed like all these thousands of people that got over 100 years old and they found two, two items, you know, that are like, what makes, like how they got there. And it just shows like a packet of Marlboros and whiskey.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And it's always that thing, right? It's like the 122 year old dies and they. She had a cigarette every week. Yeah, always had some, you know, wine every night. The irony there is, it's like, well, those aren't the things that kept her alive, right? Yeah, it was like a lot of other elements. But it's funny. It's funny and it's good.

[Sean]

They interviewed this one old lady, I think she was like 93 or something like that. And she was drinking a Dr. Pepper. And they're like, what, do you talk to Pepper? She's like, yeah, this has been keeping me alive the whole time. And she's like. He's like, yeah, I had two doctors told me to stop, but both of them died before me.

[Adam Thorne]

It's hard to fucking argue that, right? Yeah, I mean, it really is. Okay, so the last thing I want to go over really with this is. And there's so much to cover in this podcast. I mean, you got to listen to it. It's.

[Sean]

That's a good thing.

[Adam Thorne]

It justice for this. But you know, the autism thing is an issue vaccine, autism related thing. It gets downplayed. They're saying no connection. You know, again, I think that they're really leaning hard on any data that could potentially point to the possibility of that. They really don't want any connection. And I think that there's some propaganda in there. I think there's some covering up. I don't know if it's like huge, but there definitely seems to be a rise in autism. You know, it's also reasonable to assume that, you know, diagnosing it in the past was not as efficient as it is today, that type of thing. But, you know, I am suspicious of the there is absolutely no connection thing.

[Sean]

Yeah. Because that's the one that they push back the most on.

[Adam Thorne]

They really do.

[Sean]

Like, well, because whenever you get.

[Adam Thorne]

Imagine like you don't have kids. Right. And when we first know of, when we first met, I didn't, I wasn't thinking about it, but as soon as I did and this like whole thing of vaccines were like, oh, now you've got to get this, the idea. And you know, I don't want to give anyone who has autistic kids for that. It's like, God bless you. And you know, I, I know some autistic kids and they're beautiful, beautiful people. But it's like, I worry so much. It's like she's learning words, she's doing these things, she's looking at me and I'm like, ah. You know, you're always trying to minimize challenges for your kids. Right. I mean, of course that's what you want. You want them to be healthy and attractive and all the things and they'll be whatever they are and you'll love them the same. But the idea that it could suddenly just happen from a couple of jabs.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And you just can't possibly know all the information. It's like, just give it to us. What's the worst that could happen if you just give us all of that information? You're like, yeah, 10% of them will be autistic if they get these jabs. Also, it's pretty bad, you know, when they don't get the jabs because, you know, they all get polio.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So it's like, just try and give it to a straight guy.

[Sean]

Let the people think for themselves. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

They don't want to.

[Sean]

I, yeah, I would be curious about the actual data behind that. But that's always the one that, like whenever you mention anti vaxx and people go down the route of, oh, it causes autism, that's always like the flipping Switch where people really push back on that and they're like, no, it's well established that it doesn't. Like there's lots of data and this and that. Like, I bet if you did a quick Google search, you would, it would take you a long time to find some viewpoint for, you know, in the anti vax corner, saying, saying that, confirming it. And maybe it's for good reason, maybe it's not true, whatever, this, that, the other. But that is always the one that people seem to fight the most against. You get the most resistance whenever you mention that one in the vaccine conversation.

[Adam Thorne]

It's very true. Yeah, it's very true. Well, listen, guys, go out, listen to this one. It's really good. Also, towards the end she talked about getting kicked off YouTube for like talking about vitamin C pre Covid, which is like, what? And then she couldn't get on Twitter forever. It like kicked her off and she couldn't get back on. But she eventually got back on. She said she lost her like 90,000 followers or whatever she had, but she's back on there. So go follow her. I looked at it today. She got 50,000 overnight after being on Rogan and she's now at 172,000.

[Sean]

That's a lot today.

[Adam Thorne]

So it's increasing and good for her. Get your message out there. Like, fuck social media for like trying to block you from that. It doesn't mean that this is, you know, that you shouldn't get a voice and it doesn't mean that you're right about everything that you say. But this is America, man.

[Sean]

Yeah. Do your own research.

[Adam Thorne]

I love it. All right, thanks guys. Thanks for having me, as always. Pleasure. Talk to you guys next week.

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