444 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Harold “Sonny” White

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast
Episode 444: Review of Dr. Harold “Sonny” White
Release Date: May 14, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 444 of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast, hosts Adam Thorne and Sean delve deep into the world of advanced propulsion systems, UFO phenomena, and the forefront of scientific exploration. Focusing on their review of the Joe Rogan Experience episode featuring Dr. Harold “Sonny” White, a renowned physicist and mechanical engineer, the hosts unpack complex topics with enthusiasm and insightful analysis.

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Meet Dr. Harold “Sonny” White

The episode centers around Dr. White, a distinguished scientist with a PhD in physics and a Master's in mechanical engineering. His passion lies in pioneering advanced propulsion technologies that could revolutionize space travel.

Sean:
"This was like, the whole topic of this podcast was like, shit that I've always thought about, like, oh, that would be cool if we could do that, or, like, how are we doing that?"
[03:01]

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Advanced Propulsion and the Future of Space Travel

Adam and Sean discuss Dr. White's vision for the future of space exploration, emphasizing the incremental advancements required to achieve breakthroughs like bending time and space.

Brad:
"It's like, this is what we have today. That's how long it will take. 2000 years, we can do this one. It's a bit faster, but it's still a ton of time."
[03:11]

They explore the feasibility of these technologies, acknowledging that while current efforts may not yield immediate results, they lay the groundwork for future generations to continue the quest.

Sean:
"It's encouraging to know that this is a real possibility for us if we play our cards right."
[03:07]

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Time Dilation and Relativity in Space Travel

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the concepts of time dilation and relativity, drawing parallels to popular culture references like the movie Interstellar. The hosts break down complex scientific principles, making them accessible to listeners.

Brad:
"For instance, if you and I just zip to the end of the solar system real fast and then zip back to Earth, the closer we get to the speed of light, time on Earth would have passed a long time."
[07:05]

Sean:
"He called it like a pixel. So in a sense, if you can make one pixel, you can imagine you can make thousand pixels."
[10:38]

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Nuclear-Powered Ships and Fusion Propulsion

The conversation shifts to nuclear propulsion technologies, discussing their potential and current limitations. The hosts analyze Dr. White's insights into fusion and fission as viable energy sources for faster space travel.

Sean:
"It's faster than what we currently have, but it's not quick enough for whatever reason like that we just do not have a fuel source that can push these ships fast enough in that traditional propulsion sense."
[10:28]

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AI and Automation in Space Exploration

Adam and Sean speculate on the role of artificial intelligence and robotics in future space missions. They envision a scenario where AI-driven androids undertake the arduous tasks of space travel, reducing human risk and accelerating technological advancements.

Brad:
"Maybe you have to do some stuff. Do you think we're gonna send out a bunch of androids on one of those ships?"
[14:20]

Sean:
"Once you create the faster ships, you go pick up the slower ones and just give them a push. Yeah, to him just like, you guys are inferior to us. Let us help you out."
[16:15]

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UFO Phenomena and Government Involvement

A substantial segment of the podcast reviews Joe Rogan’s discussion with Dr. White on UFOs and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs). The hosts express skepticism and intrigue over government involvement and the authenticity of reported sightings.

Sean:
"I feel like secretly Joe had this guy on the podcast just so he could ask him UFO questions."
[20:03]

Brad:
"The Bob Lazar story is one of the ones that I still believe. I still believe. Super legit."
[48:55]

They debate the credibility of various UFO theories, including the possibility of secret scientific projects and reverse engineering of alien technology.

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Quantum Mechanics and Future Technologies

The discussion ventures into the realm of quantum mechanics, exploring how Dr. White’s work intersects with this complex field. The hosts highlight the challenges and potential breakthroughs that quantum physics may bring to energy extraction and propulsion systems.

Sean:
"Every time I've ever looked into anything with quantum mechanics, there's always like this huge asterisk of like, we don't really know."
[28:33]

Brad:
"Do you think that all the new interventions and inventions and cutting edge physics would just come from these systems? It's like, we don't have to do the math anymore."
[30:07]

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Space Missions and Jupiter’s Role in the Solar System

Adam and Sean shift focus to specific space missions and the strategic importance of Jupiter within our solar system. They discuss the protective role of Jupiter’s massive gravitational field and its influence on asteroid trajectories.

Sean:
"I think it's crazy that we were able to see the whole thing."
[45:21]

Brad:
"And it has rings. Has a small strip of rings. Not as big as Saturn, obviously, but it does have rings."
[46:07]

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Reflections on Human Ambition and Space Exploration

The hosts conclude by reflecting on humanity’s enduring ambition to explore space. They draw historical parallels to the Apollo missions and emphasize the importance of sustained investment in space technology for future generations.

Brad:
"There's probably no greater moment for mankind than watching the moon landing stuff."
[46:57]

Sean:
"Space travel's important because, you know, like I said, it's not about what we're doing now. It's about, like, what we can do in the future and setting ourselves up for the future of space travel."
[47:40]

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Conclusion

Episode 444 offers listeners a comprehensive and thoughtful analysis of Dr. Harold “Sonny” White’s contributions to advanced propulsion and space exploration. Through engaging dialogue and expert breakdowns, Adam and Sean provide valuable insights into the challenges and exciting prospects of humanity’s quest to reach beyond our planet.

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Notable Quotes:

• Sean:
  "This was like, the whole topic of this podcast was like, shit that I've always thought about..."
  [03:07]

• Brad:
  "If we just send it out there, let them figure it out..."
  [16:19]

• Sean:
  "It's encouraging to know that this is a real possibility for us if we play our cards right."
  [03:07]

• Brad:
  "Do you think we're gonna send out a bunch of androids on one of those ships?"
  [14:23]

• Sean:
  "Space travel's important because... what we can do in the future and setting ourselves up for the future of space travel."
  [47:40]

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This episode serves as an insightful resource for Rogan fans and enthusiasts of space exploration, offering a nuanced understanding of the scientific endeavors shaping our future in the cosmos.

Transcript

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[Sean]

You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

[Brad]

What a bizarre thing we've created.

[Sean]

Now with your hosts, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast.

[Brad]

Or the best one. One go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

[Sean]

Yay.

[Brad]

Today, joined by good old Sean.

[Sean]

How's it going?

[Brad]

Doing? It's going. It's going, dude.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Finally a hopeful one. We get to talk about UFOs and scientists. Oh, yeah, rocket propulsions.

[Brad]

The last few I've been offering up for you have been stretching.

[Sean]

Yeah, this one actually didn't ruin my week, so I'm happy with that.

[Brad]

Well, there we go. That's for you, Sean.

[Sean]

We're on a good stretch here. Next one's going to be the worst.

[Brad]

Oh, yeah. I'll ease it in though. I'll make this one easy. Next one will be real stressful. Maybe Kanye comes back on. That'd be a tough, tough one to review. I think, yeah, especially right now.

[Sean]

You should have someone else do that.

[Brad]

One promise. So this week we are reviewing Dr. Harold Sonny White. Smart guy. PhD, really smart guy in physics. Masters in mechanical engineering. So an engineer and a physicist. Scientist.

[Sean]

That's tough. That's a lot of school.

[Brad]

Oh, yeah. His passion is for advanced propulsion. Wow.

[Sean]

This was like. The whole topic of this podcast was like, shit that I've always thought about, like, oh, that would be cool if we could do that, or, like, how are we doing that? But then I never really thought it was real or, like, people were actually working on this. I thought it was just like, science fiction. But it's encouraging to know that this is a real possibility for us if we play our cards right.

[Brad]

For sure. Well, that video that they played was pretty dope.

[Sean]

That was a cool video.

[Brad]

Yeah. It was just nice how they, like, laid it out. It's like, this is what we have today. That's how long it will take. 2000 years, we can do this one. It's a bit faster, but it's still a ton of time. It just basically says, yeah, they're still worth exploring because we have to incrementally build technology, but ultimately we have to get to a point where we can bend time and space.

[Sean]

Yeah. And I think a lot of the work that they're doing now is, like, just the groundwork of this, like, trying to understand these things, because, I mean, he talks about it a lot, but they don't really. They kind of understand that, like, this is something that is not going to. Maybe not going to get accomplished in their lifetimes. Like, this is going to be like future generations. And so just like, setting things up to work in that direction someday. To have that possibility, though, which is, I guess the whole idea of space travel in a way, is like, you know, reaching for something that, you know, you're not going to get to in your lifetime, but so the next generation can enjoy that.

[Brad]

Right. It's the long game.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You know, and. But also saying that I think that something they highlighted early on is the Wright brothers were like, what, 1909 or something?

[Sean]

Yeah. Really early on.

[Brad]

Not that long ago, though. And then in like, 60 years, we got people on the moon.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Allegedly.

[Sean]

Yeah. A cool. Another cool statistic, too, is the Wright brothers first flight is a shorter distance than the wingspan of certain planes, like the 747, which was created like 50 years after the Wright brothers first flight. I think it was 1969, so maybe a couple of years after that. But the plane itself Is bigger than that first distance they traveled with the early on planes. Which is crazy to think about it.

[Brad]

But it is wild in so many ways because I mean, think even like World War II they had like the first jets.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You know, I don't think that there was like most of the planes there, but they basically had that kind of figured out. They had airliners, you know, around there shortly after. I mean, you're sat comfortably in a plane eating peanuts, just like walking around, going to get a drink, using the toilet. It's freaking some thousand feet in the air.

[Sean]

Flowers. Some of the big like Airbus A380s. They have like a bar and a lounge at the top level. It's actually pretty crazy.

[Brad]

That's pretty nice. Yeah, they. That's changed a little bit now, sadly. I think it was like cooler to fly in the past yout know, like the Pan Am days. I think they gave you better meals.

[Sean]

Well, it was also a lot more expensive. Like it was a lot more exclusive. Like it would be the same as like if you only flew first class. Pretty much like it would be the same kind of cost if you did the equivalency.

[Brad]

That makes sense.

[Sean]

They just like didn't have coach. Like it was flying was only for rich people at that point in time.

[Brad]

That makes sense.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Everyone else just donkeys on the ground.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Taking forever.

[Sean]

They're like, go ahead and walk.

[Brad]

Yeah. But you know, again, it was what, 60 years. They got to spay, you know, to the moon and who knows, maybe we work on this for 60 years, which is like in the range of some people's lifetimes.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And just kind of like setting out that idea or the mission, getting it going, believing that we can do it. It's wild. That's like super sci fi stuff.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy that, you know, we're actually working in steps to like accomplish these things. Like it's not out of the question entire to have interplanetary life if we, if we set things up correctly and you know, work towards that goal.

[Brad]

Do you know how time dilation works?

[Sean]

A little bit, yeah.

[Brad]

Right. So like the faster you go, faster you travel, you know, and it's why we can't get to the speed of light because the energy you need to move any mass becomes like infinite. It's like, it's like an impossible thing Unless we create wormholes. Right. But also what's happening is the faster you go, like let's say you and I just zip to the end of the solar system real fast and Then zip back to Earth the closer we get to the speed of light. Time on Earth would have trapped, like, gone a long time.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Which is bananas.

[Sean]

It also changes. Time changes based on the mass of whatever you're standing on. So like on bigger planets, like, did you ever watch interstellar?

[Brad]

Yes.

[Sean]

Remember how the time dilation and that worked? Like, that was actually pretty accurate. Like, if you travel to like towards the edge of a wormhole, for example, the mass changes and therefore space time changes. And so there's a time dilation effect in that way too, huh? Yeah.

[Brad]

Oh, because they were on a planet and time went like real long on Earth, right? Something like that.

[Sean]

Yeah. They like reached down to this one planet and the time dilation was like so strong. By the time they got back, it was only like a couple hours for them, but it was like 25 years for the dude waiting on the spacecraft.

[Brad]

How does that make any sense?

[Sean]

I don't really know. Relativity.

[Brad]

Yeah. It's relative, bro. Yeah, it's all relative.

[Sean]

I was, I was looking into, like, what if you, like, what if the universe had. What if you could travel faster than the speed of light? I just like asked AI that the other day and it was like, it wouldn't really, like the universe wouldn't exist as we know it in that way. Because one of the things is the speed of light is so ingrained in our understanding of physics. And so if I, in theory, if you traveled faster than the speed of light, you would leave somewhere and arrive somewhere, like pretty much instantaneously. And that would create like time paradoxes and just fuck with our understanding of everything.

[Brad]

Really.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Huh.

[Sean]

But through like wormholes you can do that because you're like bending space and time.

[Brad]

Right. That's a bit of the cheat code, right?

[Sean]

Yeah. But you're not actually like. Yeah. It's not as if you're like speeding through space. You're like changing space as you move.

[Brad]

Right. You just bring in the destination closer to you.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

So it doesn't mess.

[Sean]

Yeah. Like, it was like the analogy that he was saying about the. In the airport, the walkways that move like as you're standing on it, you're getting closer to something faster than if you were moving at the same speed, like moving next to it, you know?

[Brad]

Right.

[Sean]

Because you're changing the space itself, but.

[Brad]

You'Re not walking anywhere.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You're just getting closer. So.

[Sean]

Yeah, the other thing that he talked about that was really interesting before he talked about like the space warp ships was the nuclear powered ships.

[Brad]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

Those are pretty cool too. And that seems like a lot more reasonable, like easier to accomplish.

[Brad]

Yeah, but I think, I think the issue there was just that it just won't go fast enough for whatever reason like that we just do not have a fuel source that can push these ships fast enough in that traditional propulsion sense. Yeah, because the other one he talked about was fusion, Right. Or fission.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's the nuclear one that I was referring to. Yeah. But I mean, it's faster than what we currently have. But yeah, it's not quick enough.

[Brad]

Hmm.

[Sean]

For at least some of these things.

[Brad]

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[Sean]

It would go make going to Mars a lot quicker, which would be nice.

[Brad]

Do you think like, you know, we're getting close to having these androids, right? So they've got the Tesla Optimus thing that they're making. Have you seen those? Yeah, like androids and they're going to have AI brains. Maybe you had to do some stuff. Do you think we're gonna send out a bunch of androids on a one of those ships?

[Sean]

Probably.

[Brad]

Then if it takes, I don't know, 2,000 years to get out there or whatever, it's like, well, we just push it out there, let them figure it out and I don't know what the point would be. Take some readings, land on a planet.

[Sean]

Yeah, I think, well, one of the things that they were saying too is like if you, if you create the technology, like the warp technology or like stuff that's faster, if you send out something earlier, if you figure out the way to do it quicker, you're just going to be waiting on that thing for thousands of years to arrive. So it's like, do you spend the resources on that or do you just go full force on the one that's going to be faster? Because in the long run if you send out a ship and it takes 2000 years to get there, but then in 1500 years you create a ship that can get there in two years, you just saved yourself like 490 whatever years, right? Yeah, you just. And then you're waiting, and then you're waiting another 500 years for that thing that you sent out all that time ago to arrive still. Because it's moving at that constant speed of slower.

[Brad]

I was thinking about that in terms of time dilation and it's like you head off, right? And even if you get to this destination real quick because you're going so fast that it's, you know, just doesn't take that long. But on Earth time is like, you know, for you and me in the spaceship it's only been a couple of weeks, but on Earth it's been a thousand years. Yeah, you would imagine other ships would be passing you up, probably have better technology.

[Sean]

Yeah, they just like, if you can even see them, they dock with you.

[Brad]

Yeah, they're like, oh yeah, we got to upgrade all your slow ass spaceship.

[Sean]

I mean maybe you would do that. You know, once you create the faster ships, you go pick up the slower ones and just give them a push. Yeah. To him just like, you guys are inferior to us. Let us help you out.

[Brad]

Yeah. But in a weird way it's like you still should have left at some point.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Right. We, it's like we don't. I guess we know that we make better stuff, but it's like still send it out there.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

It was, it was kind of, I don't know freaky though when he was discussing that 2000 year trip and it was like, yeah, there would be like many generations of humans that just live on this ship.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

I mean, I don't know what kind of weirdos.

[Sean]

They'd be like, Wally, be like Wall E. Remember in Wall E how they're all just like on some massive interstellar cruise ship, just like bad as fuck on their little moving chairs.

[Brad]

Yeah. Like right around drinking those sodas.

[Sean]

Yeah. It does raise an interesting question though because like after a couple generations of these, these people are, you know, if you're all in one area, you know, you could have like some mass hysteria thing and they're like, is this even worth it? Like we should go back or you know, something like that. Like, yeah, it would be weird. But then, you know, if you science fiction, you know, if you freeze everybody, then you wouldn't have to worry about that. But that's just a weird. I don't know if that works.

[Brad]

Well, I don't think we can do it now. Yeah, we'd have to work on that too. Cryo. Yeah, whatever it is, just freeze them.

[Sean]

And I bet there's billionaires working on that.

[Brad]

No doubt. Do you know they did that with Walt Disney?

[Sean]

Is that, Is that true?

[Brad]

I think it is true.

[Sean]

Really? Yeah. They still haven't frozen supposedly. Apparently it's really, really expensive.

[Brad]

Well, if you don't have tons of money, you can just freeze your head.

[Sean]

Oh really?

[Brad]

But which make kind of makes sense because I'm sure they could just. If you can unfreeze ahead, you can make a dope robot body for that.

[Sean]

Head in the future. Hopefully you would imagine. Yeah.

[Brad]

But also it's like, what. What are we doing here? Like what, what are you doing? You just cannot accept death.

[Sean]

Yeah. A lot of people want to live forever. A lot of powerful people. Seems exhausting to me.

[Brad]

You know, I mean I don't think if. Look, people give billionaires a lot of shit. Like they're just greedy and self or whatever. All the things are that people don't like about billionaires. However, they're very successful human beings. Like, unusually so. However they did it, I'm not saying every one of them is, you know, super valuable or like, maybe it's a lot of luck, but yeah, they positioned themselves well and they did it. So having more of those humans around, it's not the worst.

[Sean]

Unless they got all their money from fucking over other people and they're just evil. You know what I mean? There's probably a lot of those people too.

[Brad]

Well, but that just goes. So you're one of those guys.

[Sean]

Obviously, certain billionaires.

[Brad]

I'm not saying I like them. I'm just saying they did a thing that was like somewhat.

[Sean]

I think we should just keep all the like, smart scientists who are working in a positive way, you know, that's actually people who are doing. Doing shit.

[Brad]

Well, that's what Elon has said before. He's like, have lots of kids. We should all have lots of kids. We're not going to run out of space. And by doing that, we're going to make more Einstein's.

[Sean]

Yeah. I mean more people, more innovation.

[Brad]

It's got a. That kind of makes sense.

[Sean]

Yeah. As long as we're not like just raising stupid people. You know, if there's more people, but all of them are not useful to society, that's not helpful. That's why education is so important. Yeah, but I don't want to get a tangent. Side tangent on that.

[Brad]

I'll go on forever, get into a whole homeschooling thing. All right, so the UAPS and the whole phenomena, Right?

[Sean]

Yeah. I feel like secretly Joe had this guy on the podcast just so he could ask him UFO questions.

[Brad]

100%, of course.

[Sean]

Which was kind of funny. Yeah. Like after like about three quarters of the way through the podcast, when he was like done talking about the shit that he's doing, Joe was just like asking him about UFOs, which was good. I mean, that's what I wanted to hear too.

[Brad]

Mm. But yeah, himself. Yeah, he can't help himself.

[Sean]

Like, put up videos. Dude.

[Brad]

Joe can bring up. Can bring up UFOs if he's talking to like, you know, somebody who just wrote a book about bees.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Like, he will find a way.

[Sean]

He's like, you ever noticed their structure and movement is similar?

[Brad]

He's like, these bees look like UFOs. And it's just this whole tangent. This podcast is brought to you by Raycon. Dads teach us a lot. How to fix things for ourselves, how to pick ourselves up and power on, even how to make do with less. So the family has more. This father's Day. Let's show our dads that they deserve the world at a price. Even they will be impressed by this. Father's Day Treat dad to a pair of everyday earbuds by Raycon because he deserves to relax, recharge and and enjoy his favorite music podcast and calls in crystal clear sound. Raycon's everyday earbuds are the perfect gift for your dad, whether he's lifting big at the gym, busy with those endless work calls, or jamming out to his favorite tunes that drive your mom mad. Give your dad the gift of premium audio that goes where he does. These things are fantastic. I have a pair of the royal blue. They look amazing. The sound quality is unreal. Noise cancellation, they're just fantastic. Go to buyraycon.com jrer to get 15% off site wide. Right now Raycon is offering up to 15% off site wide when you go to buy Ray raycon.com jre by raycon.com jre what did you think of that hypothesis he had where they kind of have the lasers converge, they hit in the sky, makes like a plasma thing and it can like potentially, though he's not. It's not like a fully thought, fully, you know, form thought, but they can kind of make images in the sky.

[Sean]

Oh, really?

[Brad]

So it's like just with these lasers, they can like trick you maybe, and then you're like, oh, that's a ufo. But really it's nothing. It's lasers.

[Sean]

That'd be interesting. But I wonder, like, can you. A lot of the UFO sightings are like single objects, like just one particular shape in the sky, you know, like, I don't know, I'm. I'm an idiot on lasers. But like, seems hard that lasers can, like, are they all pointing in one direction and creating this shape or like, how does that work with.

[Brad]

I don't know. I think they intersect and then it kind of reacts with the air and like creates a plasma. Yeah, like a heat signature. Like some image. He called it like a pixel. So in a sense, if you can make one pixel, you can imagine you can make.

[Sean]

Make a bundle of pixels. Yeah, I could see that.

[Brad]

Thousand pixels.

[Sean]

I hope Amazon doesn't come up with this technology. We're going to have nothing but fucking ads in the sky all day. Just like buy now. Subscribe.

[Brad]

Dude, have you been watching Black Mirror recently?

[Sean]

No. Are they. I didn't know that they were still making that show.

[Brad]

Yeah, the new season going on for a while, then the first episode. Bit of a spoiler. But this person's brain gets damaged, so they clone it so that they can, like, not be in a coma, but you have to pay a subscription fee for it and stay within these, like, cell towers. Otherwise you switch off. And then occasionally they're playing ads through the person if you don't upgrade your plan.

[Sean]

Oh, geez, dude. Yeah, that's scary.

[Brad]

What's so, like, weird about that show and why it just. It's. It's great writing really cool stories, but you just feel weird afterwards is because it's so close to something you could imagine happening.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You're like, oh, that could one day.

[Sean]

Be like, I know this isn't real, but, like, I could see a scenario where we have this shit, you know?

[Brad]

Yeah, that's.

[Sean]

That's what I like about science fiction movies, you know? Like, it's always cool, the ones where it's, like, such a stretch and it's just, like, you know, just an imaginary story. But then the ones that are like, oh, shit, we could really end up down this path, and that's not good.

[Brad]

Right.

[Sean]

Those ones are always a little bit more interesting because you're, like, imagining how that would work and how that would go about happening.

[Brad]

Yeah. It's like the book 1984 or Brave.

[Sean]

New World, but it's the same kind of shit. Like, ready Player one?

[Brad]

Mm.

[Sean]

Like, I could see this, but then.

[Brad]

You know, every episode is, like, just a different part of what's happening in society, and then they just go down all these different routes that are just weird as hell.

[Sean]

Yeah. The Black Mirror episodes are good, but they always leave you, like, fucked up in the head after you finish one.

[Brad]

Mmm.

[Sean]

You, like, don't know what to do with yourself.

[Brad]

Yeah. It's not like you're scared like a horror movie.

[Sean]

No, but it's just. It's like you wake up from a weird dream, you know?

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Just like, whoa, that was fucking wild.

[Brad]

It's definitely worth putting on some Seinfeld after or something.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brad]

Just kind of break. Break that tension. But, yeah, he's not. He's not sold on the UAP stuff. I think, like, Jamie and Joe talked about. They're, like, back and forth on it too.

[Sean]

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel.

[Brad]

You're in and out. Yeah, me too. I thought I was way more into it until the Times ran that article saying they exist and the government knows about it. Well, then I was all of a sudden very suspicious, and I'm like, yeah, maybe it is just the government.

[Sean]

Yeah. And I feel like with a lot of more of these like non provable but kind of conspiratorial things is I feel like a lot of times whoever's in control or whoever's just trying to make money off of these stories just throw information around to try and confuse people and like put self doubt in their minds and like, you know, just try and throw them off of, throw them out of. Out of touch. Because yeah, if you just bombard someone with a bunch of different theories and a bunch of different information and they all seem somewhat plausible, somewhat not plausible, you know, you just like, I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore. I feel like that's kind of happened with a lot of things, especially UFOs nowadays.

[Brad]

It does seem like they're just adding doubt.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You know, and the wackier story that they put in there, it's like really easy to then dismiss somebody. It's like you've been gaslight so much that you're like, dude, I'm telling you, there's someone outside my house every day.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And they were sending someone out there every day. And then they're like, oh, just making you look nuts. Yeah, paranoid. I don't know. I don't know. So he talked about quantum vacuum energy in the nanotech.

[Sean]

Yeah, this is where my brain was just like, all right, you got me, you got me. It's like anybody ever asks you point blank, like, how do you spell restaurant? And you're just like, fuck, you got me.

[Brad]

I don't know, you just get stuck.

[Sean]

Yeah, just trying to. That's kind of how I was. I was like, fuck. I don't understand how these particles and waves and stuff, but I mean, it makes sense. The analogy he used of like the Venn diagram between quantum mechanics and general relativity and our understanding of physics and how they like intersect at some point. Like that makes sense to me, you know, And I know everyone. Every time I've ever looked into anything with quantum mechanics, there's always like this huge asterisk of like, we don't really know. Like we. There's a lot of things that are going on and shit that we just don't understand. And so a lot of becomes really hard to follow for that reason.

[Brad]

Well, even the people that know the most about it often will say we don't know.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly. And that's how like one of the things that you can tell with someone who's really, really smart is that they're always able to admit when they're like, yeah, I don't know this or that's A good question or whatever it is. They'll obviously talk about what they do know, but they're very honest about, like, we don't understand this. And so that's why it's. I always, you know, I believe them when they're like, we don't really. Fuck if I know. You know? Yeah, it's like that's probably what someone would say who understands what's going on.

[Brad]

It builds a lot of trust.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You know, it makes you go, okay.

[Sean]

But then it makes it. Yeah, it makes it. It's like, what do you do with that information? You know, how are we supposed to build off of not knowing? But it seems like the work that he's doing is kind of pushing that, like looking into quantum mechanics and trying to understand how we can extract energy out of it and things like that. I think is really interesting. But, yeah, it's really early on, I feel.

[Brad]

Do you. Do you think that we're going to get to a point, especially with AI, to where, you know, they're building these nuclear power plants to jet, you know, to power them? They're just loading them up with Nvidia chips, so making them as smart as they can. Do you think that all the new interventions and inventions and cutting edge physics would just come from these systems? It's like, we don't have to do the math anymore. We just, like, figure that out. Go.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And it's like, there we go. Time travel.

[Sean]

Yeah, that would be cool. That would be the end goal, right? It's to have AI set up in a way that, you know, it's discovering things that we couldn't have even thought of and being at the forefront of creating new ideas. You know, that would be awesome. And yeah, hopefully we get to that point. But yeah, I think it can be used to, like, help us with some of these things that we don't understand.

[Brad]

Well, supposedly it's coming up with new compounds, which is wild.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Brad]

So it's like it understands, say, how ibuprofen works and then it knows the structure and it can, like run its own simulated experiments to be like, oh, if we change this compound or drug in this way, unlike what you're listening.

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[Brad]

What will happen? So instead of testing it on a bunch of monkeys or mice or whatever we do, it just is able to kind of run through that really quickly and that's got to be useful. That's got to save a ton of time.

[Sean]

Oh yeah, and I think too like you brought this up earlier of like using Androids to assist us and things. Like I think it's going to be a huge game changer when we have AI set up with automated manufacturing and we can just build shit without having anyone there to do it. Like it just does its own thing. I mean even when you look at where like 3D printing technology is like we can 3D print titanium now to build aircraft parts and unreal, like all of that shit, you know, once that's automated, that's going to be a huge assistance to us. Yeah, especially on like a lot of these harder things like building spacecrafts and, and stuff like that. And I think that in the future, you know, when we're exploring other planets, assume we get to that point, like we're going to be hand in hand with AI, like discovering new shit. Like, like I said the automation of things. Like, you know, because for us to travel to a new planet and be like, oh, we got to start mining and we got to have enough people to build buildings, you know, it's like we need to have robots be doing that shit. It's just going to accelerate things.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And then there's. Yeah. On Earth though, there's. That topic is always like, oh well, you're just placing jobs and you know, that's a whole nother side tangent. But yeah, ideally you would have some sort of system like that where we're working with them and they're creating things and helping us and not only new discoveries, but like, like I was saying, you know, the automation of building things for us for sure.

[Brad]

I mean think of what they want to do with Mars, right. You know, Elon already has that tunneling company, the boring company. And if it just drops those things on Mars and then you know, the robots can like do stuff like build a dome, whatever, the tunneling things just go underground and build a giant network and maybe there's a few people that need to go up there just to kind of like maintain the robots or what they're doing. But that's way easier than sending like a small village.

[Sean]

Yeah. And it's a lot less risk to humans, you know, if you can, like you said, if you can send a team of robots out there to like discover shit and bring you back information. I mean, that's how all those drones work and those rovers on Mars and stuff. And satellites, you know, it's not quite as automated. I mean, the, the rovers are the satellites, you know, we're kind of controlling that. But it's the same idea, you know, you have some robot out there collecting data for you, sending information back. You know, you don't need somebody out there.

[Brad]

This is crap now, though.

[Sean]

Yeah, they're really early on. It is. It is insane. The level of engineering that is required to actually put it on the other planet, like to leave Earth's atmosphere, line it up, like, go into Mars, you know, atmosphere and gravity and have it land successfully is fucking phenomenal.

[Brad]

Mind blowing.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Sean]

But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, what are they doing sniffing rocks and shit?

[Brad]

It's just driving around real slow with their solar panels.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And then just plodding along, taking pictures, occasionally picking a rock up, having a look at it. The picture's real into it.

[Sean]

Yeah, the pictures are crazy. Yeah. It'd be funny if it's just like some alien's pet at this point. It's just being programmed by some alien on Mars.

[Brad]

I think, I think that they have not found anything up there other than just rocks and stuff. I don't think that they're keeping from us some grand conspiracy to where? I think they'd be pumped to show us. Like NASA would be like, check. I mean, they'd probably have a meeting before they released it. Maybe there is a government agency that can be like, you can't tell them this, but if they just came across like a skull.

[Sean]

Yeah. That'd be pretty mind blowing.

[Brad]

Well, because at the end of the day, they're looking for funding and funding comes from interest.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And people used to be. Yeah, people used to be pumped about all the space stuff. Now it's like people going to space. Can you name any astronauts recently? Katy Perry.

[Sean]

I was just gonna say.

[Brad]

Damn it. But like, generally nobody cares. What were the names of the two poor bastards that were stuck in the.

[Sean]

Oh, I can't remember.

[Brad]

Space station.

[Sean]

Yeah. God bless them, though. That's rough.

[Brad]

Oh, the bones.

[Sean]

Had to have Elon go out there and save him, bro.

[Brad]

Yeah, he didn't get any credit for that. Yeah, everyone, everyone's suspicious of him. Right now.

[Sean]

Yeah. But I mean, you know, you need to be doing the space stuff. It's such a. It's the same thing as like, you know, we're not investing in nuclear energy as much as we should. You know, it's just not. There's not a profit motive to come out of that. At least right now. You know, everything comes from oil and gas and stuff. But it is. Yeah. Like we, if we're trying to plan for the future, like we need to be doing this shit. And that's what I love about all of the scientists and space people is like they plan decades ahead. Like they're like, like I was saying earlier, you know, it's like we're not going to figure this out in our lifetimes, but we need to be setting things up so that people can pick up the pieces in the future and keep working on this stuff, you know, and that's, that's the way you need to do it because yeah, it's not going to happen overnight. You just got to take little steps and keep moving in the right direction.

[Brad]

Well, it's what they did with the Voyager spacecraft.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Voyager 1 and 2. They were sent out in like the 70s.

[Sean]

It was like 86. Yeah.

[Brad]

With like nuclear propulsion, which is badass and somehow I don't know how it works.

[Sean]

Do they really have that?

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Wow.

[Brad]

Yeah. I don't know if it's like nuclear reactors. It might be like radiation decay, but it's a power source. So it's like a chunk of plutonium that is like.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You know, uranium or whatever they use. So yeah, they really thought ahead and they planned it out to be like, right, this is a 30 year project or 50 year project or whatever it is. There's still people monitoring that. I'm pretty sure they've turned off most of the non essential components right now they're like fairly end of life.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

But it's. I'm pretty sure it's still sending some data.

[Sean]

Yeah. And like all the things that they develop, you know, like the new James Webb telescope, all that stuff is.

[Brad]

That one's dope.

[Sean]

Yeah, it's like planned for the future. And also the modularity of it too. Like it's meant to be upgraded over time so you can replace things as new technology comes out, you know, you can upgrade it.

[Brad]

Yeah, because that was the problem with the Hubble. Right. They just ran out of, with that type of technology. They were like, we can't make this any better.

[Sean]

Yeah. They needed a new platform and yeah.

[Brad]

The web is like spotting planets everywhere that are potentially could have life.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And how long do you think before they have something that can scan so well that it can take like a full on reading of the atmosphere and be like, yep, there's organic molecules in there and there's life.

[Sean]

It's like that's how they have that now. That's how they, that's how they do it now is they take scans using. It's not the visible light spectrum, it's all the other ones like radiation and things like that. But yeah, you basically scan the atmosphere and you can tell what elements are in the atmosphere and then that kind of tells you at what stage of life this planet is. So you can tell if there's like, I don't know the exact elements, but if X, Y and Z elements are in the atmosphere, that means that there's organic life growing off, putting those things in certain ways like that. That's how they're doing it.

[Brad]

Generally. Oxygen is a sign of though they now have found this other way that oxygen can be created. I think they call it like dark oxygen or something and it's like created from these rocks and heat under the ocean. I, I didn't read the whole article. Okay. Not gonna lie. But it was the, the reason I skimmed it is because generally that, I think it was that, that seen as like, oh, there must be life if we see this. But now they found this other way. Oxygen can be created. So just because we find this on another planet, we can't 100% say for sure there's life over there.

[Sean]

Yeah. And I think that's what a lot of the stages that they're at now. It's still a question mark of like this could, could lead to life or this, this could be traces of life or you know, the big one is water. If you can find water on another planet, like stable water, that's like huge because that's how you build life is through like water and then you have organic bacteria and stuff that evolves and you know, that's how it started on Earth.

[Brad]

Yeah, you got to mix stuff up.

[Sean]

Yeah. We're just trying to find like planets that are in evolutionary stages that are like similar or can't produce life.

[Brad]

Yeah. Well, there's the one moon around maybe Saturn or Jupiter called. It's like a water planet basically.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

So it's frozen on the outside, but it's like IO, IO yeah.

[Sean]

One of Jupiter's moons.

[Brad]

So that one is like one we really want to go to and drill into it though. We Got to be careful because we don't want to take any stuff up there.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Accidentally that is like amoebas or whatever. Just can live in space on the outside of this drilling thing.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

But again, it's a giant thing of water and it's got heat on the inside somehow, I think because it gets stretched by the gravity of. Yeah, Jupiter and Yeah, good chance.

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[Sean]

Yeah, it's really interesting, but yeah, I think there's a fair number of satellites that are just dedicated to Jupiter and its moons.

[Brad]

Is that right? Yeah, they're just orbiting all the time.

[Sean]

Collecting data on this stuff.

[Brad]

They're mostly NASA, right. It's like other countries don't have.

[Sean]

I don't know who's doing that.

[Brad]

Huh.

[Sean]

I think it's like an international effort, but yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, they've been around for a while because it takes a long time to get to Jupiter with our current technology. But yeah, it's really fascinating. And then, you know, Jupiter is interesting because its mass is so huge, even though it's so far from the sun, it actually changes the orbit of the whole solar system because it's like offsetting the mass of the sun. You know, it's like every object has a gravitational pull, whether it's small or large. You know, like, however small the forces are. When you drop an apple, the apple is obviously falling towards the Earth, but the Earth is also very, very smallly falling towards the apple. And so Jupiter, because of its mass, is like messing with the rest of the solar system. It also attracts a lot of asteroids that would have otherwise, you know, come through the solar system and wreak havoc on other planets. It like, captures those.

[Brad]

Right.

[Sean]

Also its magnetic field is fucking huge. And that also helps out a lot with our solar system.

[Brad]

What does that do?

[Sean]

I think same thing with the asteroids. It like, protects us from certain.

[Brad]

Rays.

[Sean]

Rays of certain things. I think I've heard this before.

[Brad]

I think that there supposedly is just four or five, like, majorly unique things, things that our solar system has. The Moon is a big part of it.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

They don't think that if it wasn't like, exactly 1/400th the size of the sun and then at a distance now that's like, will block the sun. It's like the distances from Earth has some sort of equation that's like, relates it to Earth, distance from the sun. And all of that is really useful. Obviously, it makes the tides.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

You know, which is like, again, kind of mixing stuff up on the planet. If you're looking at it as a giant petri dish, like, you got to mix it up. Then the Jupiter, like you said, can suck up all the asteroids. So otherwise we would have been pummeled to death.

[Sean]

Yeah. I was watching a documentary about Jupiter, and they tracked. I can't remember when it was, but it was many years ago. They tracked a massive asteroid that hit Jupiter. And it was insane because they, like, kind of knew it was gonna happen based on the math. And then it, like, kind of changed trajectory somehow. And then they were worried that they weren't gonna be able to see the impact because it was outside of where it was visible on Jupiter. It was, like, in the dark part. But then again, it changed it and you were able to see it, but it was like these massive. You know how Jupiter has, like, the gas giant? It was like you could see on the surface these massive craters, and there was, like, debris going way, way up in the atmosphere of Jupiter. It was pretty huge, really big event. Yeah, that's cool. But it was crazy because we were able to see the whole thing.

[Brad]

Well, it doesn't have any solid anything. Right. It's just gas.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

Now down to the middle, which is probably under immense pressure, there might be something more solid. What do you think would happen to the asteroid? Would it smash up?

[Sean]

I don't know. I mean, apparently because of its size, it had a massive damage to it. But, I mean, Jupiter so big, it wasn't like it hurt the planet at all. But, yeah, I mean, it was such a big impact that we could see it clearly. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.

[Brad]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Jupiter also has, like. I think it's anywhere from, like, 40 to 60 moons. It's like, a crazy amount.

[Brad]

Oh, whoa.

[Sean]

Yeah. And it has rings. Has a small strip of rings. Not as big as Saturn, obviously, but it does have rings.

[Brad]

Okay.

[Sean]

All right.

[Brad]

Which is just, like, dust, right?

[Sean]

Yeah, dust. Little rocks, asteroids and shit. Yeah.

[Brad]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, dude, it's wild stuff, and it's really cool. I think it's inspiring. I think it's one of those things that for all of our flaws, all of our wars, all of the bullshit, the fact that in a sense, if you think about it, it's the wars that brought us the space program, which is kind of ironic and sad in a way, but advancements in those missile technologies made the Saturn 5, or whatever it was called, and then we go do something beautiful with it. And there probably is no greater moment for mankind than watching the moon landing stuff.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Brad]

I'm sure people were super excited to be humans then. It's like, hey, if we can do this, what else can we do?

[Sean]

Yeah. And especially in the US because it was such a. Like a space race, you know, it was like such a huge accomplishment and sense of pride for a lot of Americans because it's like, we did it. We reached the moon before the Russians. Like, it was a huge national event. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I think in general, like, space travel. Space travel's important because, you know, like I said, it's not about what we're doing now. It's about, like, what we can do in the future and setting ourselves up for. For the future of space travel 100%.

[Brad]

And Dr. Harold White is doing that.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

For us. Thank God for smart dudes like this.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

And, you know, for like.

[Sean]

Oh, I wanted to ask you a question. Do you remember in the podcast when he was talking, Joe was trying to ask him if, like, there could be a secret group of scientists working on this advanced technology that we don't know about? Like, do you think that's possible?

[Brad]

Well, that's like the shit. What the fuck is that guy's name? Bob Lazar stuff.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, it's.

[Brad]

It's like, been reported. That's one of our reverse engineering things that may have been given to us kind of quote, unquote, gifts, and other countries have similar technologies that they're trying to reverse engineer. And it's very interesting if that is true. Why we would get given it, I don't know.

[Sean]

Yeah. Who knows?

[Brad]

And. And I don't know what it means, but they are not telling us, dude. Yeah, no chance.

[Sean]

I will say, like, despite all of the new UFO stuff and all of the doubt that's been thrown around, the Bob Lazar story is one of the ones that I still believe. I still believe.

[Brad]

Super legit. Yeah, they're kind of like sandbagging that documentary that he's supposed to be coming out with. They've been working on it for a while. I don't know why it's going so slow, but I'm excited for it.

[Sean]

I think it's.

[Brad]

It's gonna be.

[Sean]

Well, they have one. They had one on Netflix now or. I don't know if it's still there, but I remember a while ago.

[Brad]

Yeah, there's a code. There's a Bob one.

[Sean]

There was. There was one out there. I saw that one that was.

[Brad]

But this new one really delves in, like, they've made, like, not prototypes, but like models of it all. And supposedly he kind of like walks you through, like, how his day would have been, what he was looking at, seeing. So really cool visuals.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

I don't know where you go from there. I mean, look, these things are interesting, but it's like we're not getting more actual evidence.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Brad]

It's just lots of stories and they're interesting, but it's like, can someone get a piece of something?

[Sean]

Yeah, can we?

[Brad]

That is legit, undeniable.

[Sean]

Just one thing. Yeah, please, One thing. Yeah, that'll be nice.

[Brad]

Like an alien pencil sharpener. That's all we're asking. We're like, well, that's clearly aliens. Love it. Well, on that note, thank you, Sean.

[Sean]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Brad]

I'm glad this didn't freak you out this time.

[Sean]

This was a good one.

[Brad]

Bit more fun.

[Sean]

I was excited when you sent me this one.

[Brad]

Yeah. And good old Harold. Hopefully he comes up with some dope ass propulsion stuff and, you know, it helps humanity.

[Sean]

That would be nice.

[Brad]

We'll find out. All right, thanks, everyone. We'll talk to you next time.

[Sean]

Bye.

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