454 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Bernie Sanders

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joe Rogan Experience Review - Episode 454: Bernie Sanders

Release Date: July 7, 2025

The Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast, hosted by Adam Thorne alongside his co-hosts Trev and Dave, delves into episode 454, which features Bernie Sanders as a guest on the Joe Rogan Experience (JRE). This comprehensive 45-minute analysis unpacks the key discussions, insights, and conclusions drawn from Bernie's appearance, offering listeners a nuanced understanding of his perspectives and the broader political landscape.

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1. Bernie's Political Consistency

Adam opens the discussion by highlighting Bernie Sanders' enduring presence in politics, noting his steadfastness over the years.

Adam Thorne [01:37]: "I think that's one of the things that's appealing about Bernie is he's been pretty constant over his whole political career. You know, he doesn't change his stances on a lot of things. He's Bernie. You know what you're going to get with him."

Trev echoes this sentiment, emphasizing that Bernie's unwavering positions make him a reliable figure in the political arena.

Trev [01:53]: "He's Bernie. You know what you're going to get with him."

2. Climate Change Debate

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around climate change. The trio discusses Bernie's stance and the interaction between Bernie and Joe Rogan on this topic.

Adam Thorne [05:59]: "I do think the climate change one had some pushback, but it wasn't... an ugly debate. I think Bernie was just on the roll."

They explore the nuances of the scientific discussions presented in the JRE episode, touching upon climatic variability and Bernie's interpretation of recent studies.

Trev [07:47]: "It showed the Earth was a lot hotter than we thought at different times and hotter for longer periods... there's been a lot of climatic variability over Earth's life."

3. Housing Market and Economic Challenges

The podcast delves into the housing market issues discussed by Bernie Sanders, highlighting the challenges faced by the middle class in the current economic climate.

Adam Thorne [16:08]: "If you didn't get in the housing market 10 years ago, you're really gonna struggle now... the entry point is really high. It's almost unattainable."

Trev and Dave further elaborate on the implications of corporate dominance in real estate investments, citing concerns about companies like BlackRock creating artificial scarcity.

Trev [23:18]: "They've bought up a lot of residential houses all across the country, creating false scarcity to increase the cost."

4. Campaign Finance Reform

A pivotal topic is the influence of money in politics. The hosts discuss Bernie's proposals for campaign finance reform and the broader implications for political integrity.

Trev [27:07]: "They gotta reform campaign finance. That's the root of so many of our problems across the country."

Adam underscores the challenges in implementing such reforms, questioning the feasibility amidst entrenched interests.

Adam Thorne [29:41]: "The problem is that's such a benefit to the politicians... Who's gonna set up that system?"

5. Healthcare and Education

The conversation transitions to healthcare and education, where Bernie's ideas on free universities and subsidized healthcare are examined.

Adam Thorne [38:23]: "Free universities, free healthcare, stop people working 50, 60 hours a week and give people healthier food... These are fundamentals that would change everything."

Trev highlights the potential benefits of these proposals, while also addressing the existing challenges within the medical and educational industries.

Trev [55:56]: "Nurses, doctors, tradesmen. We should subsidize the education and training for industries where we have lacking people."

6. Media Influence and Integrity

A critical analysis of media practices features prominently, with the hosts discussing Bernie's views on media bias and integrity.

Adam Thorne [13:40]: "A lot of people that criticize Rogan say this is misinformation... It just sounds like controlling a narrative."

They debate the role of media in shaping public perception and the necessity for journalistic integrity.

Trev [59:19]: "It was a slippery slope. It sets a bad precedent, and he's not for it."

7. Foreign Policy and Israel

The podcast addresses Bernie's stance on foreign policy, particularly concerning Israel and the broader Middle East conflicts.

Adam Thorne [32:54]: "He talked about the killing of 50,000 children starving to death is just unacceptable."

Trev adds context by discussing the influence of powerful lobby groups and the challenges of opposing entrenched foreign policy positions.

Trev [35:26]: "They didn't want to speak out against Israel. That's why their parent company Paramount settled for $16 million."

8. Conclusion and Reflections

In wrapping up, Adam commends Bernie's role in fostering open dialogue and maintaining his political principles amidst adversity. The hosts express hope for future appearances by Bernie Sanders, recognizing his impact on political discourse.

Adam Thorne [73:00]: "Bernie's just an interesting character. I think he gets a lot of shit for his ideas, but he raises some good points."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Adam Thorne [01:37]: "I think that's one of the things that's appealing about Bernie is he's been pretty constant over his whole political career."
• Trev [07:47]: "It showed the Earth was a lot hotter than we thought at different times and hotter for longer periods."
• Adam Thorne [16:08]: "If you didn't get in the housing market 10 years ago, you're really gonna struggle now."
• Trev [27:07]: "They gotta reform campaign finance. That's the root of so many of our problems."
• Adam Thorne [38:23]: "Free universities, free healthcare... These are fundamentals that would change everything."
• Adam Thorne [13:40]: "A lot of people that criticize Rogan say this is misinformation... It just sounds like controlling a narrative."
• Trev [59:19]: "It was a slippery slope. It sets a bad precedent, and he's not for it."
• Adam Thorne [32:54]: "He talked about the killing of 50,000 children starving to death is just unacceptable."
• Trev [35:26]: "They didn't want to speak out against Israel. That's why their parent company Paramount settled for $16 million."
• Adam Thorne [73:00]: "Bernie's just an interesting character. I think he gets a lot of shit for his ideas, but he raises some good points."

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This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review provides a thorough examination of Bernie Sanders' appearance on JRE, dissecting his positions on critical issues such as climate change, economic disparity, campaign finance, and foreign policy. Through engaging dialogue and thoughtful analysis, Adam, Trev, and Dave offer listeners valuable insights into Bernie's enduring influence and the complexities of contemporary political debates.

Transcript

[Adam Thorne]

You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

[Trev]

What a bizarre thing we've created now.

[Adam Thorne]

With your host, Adam Thorne. Might either be the worst podcast or the best one. One.

[Dave]

Go.

[Trev]

Enjoy the show.

[Adam Thorne]

Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. This is a fun one this time. Bernie Sanders is back. Great to see it. You know, people are always giving Rogan so much hell about never having Democrats on. It's like, you can't get Big D than Bernie Sanders. This week, I brought in my liberal specialist. Yeah, good old Trev. What's up, buddy?

[Trev]

What's going on, my man?

[Adam Thorne]

All right, there we go.

[Trev]

Thanks for having me.

[Adam Thorne]

You're gonna even out all my far right ideas.

[Trev]

You're not that far right.

[Dave]

Don't be so crazy.

[Trev]

You like to talk it up like you are.

[Adam Thorne]

I definitely like to wind you up. And mutual friend Dave. That's. That's fun for me.

[Dave]

That's fun.

[Trev]

I. I also find joy in giving you a lot of shit.

[Adam Thorne]

It's solid, right? It's a good time. It's a good time for everyone. We did. We get. Everyone gets a bit serious about this stuff, and it's like.

[Trev]

It's true.

[Adam Thorne]

Hey, I think we're gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay.

[Trev]

Yeah, we'll probably be okay.

[Adam Thorne]

All right. So Bernie has not been on since, I think, 2019. A lot's happened since then. Um, yeah, I mean, generally, what is your take on Bernie these days?

[Trev]

Well, I don't know. You know, I think that's one of the things that's appealing about Bernie is he's been pretty constant over his whole political career. You know, he doesn't. Hasn't changed his stances on a lot of things. He's Bernie. You know what you're going to get with him.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And, you know, Joe brought that up quite a bit. I mean, especially when they looked at his. What was it, like, 1970s arrest? Maybe older.

[Trev]

I think it was like, 68 or something like that, or maybe even a little bit earlier.

[Adam Thorne]

Freedom fighting out there and.

[Trev]

Yeah, getting arrested.

[Adam Thorne]

And that was for, like, civil rights protests, right?

[Dave]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Trev]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Dave]

Photo.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And, you know, I know people give him a lot, like, a hard time because he's made some money off his books and, you know, a few other things, probably speaking engagements. It's hard for me to be mad at that, honestly. I mean, if people are going to pay you to speak at places, I mean, you know, and I think that's reasonable.

[Trev]

It's not done, you know, through unscrupulous means. Just. He's a position of power. He's well known.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Dave]

And.

[Adam Thorne]

And that. That's a really good point, actually, because, you know, not every senator and Congress person can write a book that people are gonna buy. Like, there's a lot of Congress people. I can't. I could name five, maybe. And the fact that he can write a book and people want to buy it, it's, like, good for him. And he has a message. He's trying to get some information out. He makes some money from it. He can have some houses. Does it mean all of a sudden he can't, like, fight for the poor? That doesn't seem to make sense.

[Dave]

No, I agreed.

[Trev]

And it's not like he's, you know, been taking advantage of insider trading on stock options.

[Adam Thorne]

And that's.

[Trev]

That's so many.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that's the big thing.

[Trev]

And it's perfectly legal. It's.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he did have some fairly large pharmaceutical company donors and then also was in a position where he's, like, scrutinizing rfk. So that was a little. But at the end of the day, politics.

[Trev]

He beats up on big pharma all the time, man.

[Dave]

Yeah. So, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he's not all bad, I think. I think when you compare him to a lot, I mean, you put him up against Nancy Pelosi, it's like, come on, now. You can't. Even if you're talking about integrity, like. Yeah, she has very little. I'm saying that on the record.

[Trev]

Oh, well, you heard it here, folks. Breaking news.

[Adam Thorne]

Breaking news. That is. That is new for everyone. All right, so let's jump into it. I mean, I think that Rogan and Bernie get on well. I think they mostly agree. I think it's a good. He. Rogan definitely has a lot of respect for Bernie. I think he really does like him. He would have voted for him. Yeah, no doubt. And he was. He was pretty vocal, probably more so than even Bernie, about what the Democrats did to him, like, switching it out. I mean, Rogan talked about that for a long time. And, you know, Bernie's a decent politician. He didn't make a big. He's definitely upset about it, I'm sure, but he hasn't banged on about it forever. Yeah, fair play credit to him, but he was screwed on that. And, you know, I think this conversation just highlighted a lot of the, like, liberal idea ideals that Rogan has and still has. So, so much is thrown around now about him being like that, you know, this being the right wing podcast and all the rest of it.

[Trev]

Yeah. What, like, after listening to the whole podcast, do you. Can you think of one con. Concept or idea that they debated or discussed that they disagreed on the like, strongly?

[Adam Thorne]

I think, no, there was no strong disagreement, but I do think the. I do think the climate change one had some pushback, but it wasn't. It certainly didn't become an ugly debate. I think that Bernie, Bernie was a little taken aback by it. I don't think he necessarily expected Rogan to kind of throw some different information at him, but I think all in all, it was very amicable and I think it was a reasonable one, too. I mean, Bernie was just on the roll. Like, I think it's bad. This is a problem. Scientists say this, and then Joe just opened it up. I mean, what is it? What was it? New York Times wrote that article that they looked at.

[Dave]

Oh, yeah.

[Trev]

The one that they highlighted was Washington Post articles.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay. Yeah. It's not exactly like Bright bot.

[Dave]

Right. No.

[Adam Thorne]

And, and you know, and I think that that conversation should go into the discussion and it often doesn't. Like, there's definitely a lot of pressure to lean on the side of. Like, you just need to believe this is real, like evolution. All the scientists think about it, and we're not going to even consider any other hot times because this is all our fault now.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And who knows? Maybe that's the best argument. Maybe that is a good argument. I don't know.

[Trev]

I don't think. I don't really think Joe, I don't know. I don't think he really got the, the main point of the, of the article that was in the Washington Post. I think, you know what, it did show, like, the graph that they showed did show, like those really big swings. I don't know if we want to go into this, but feel free to shut me off if. Cut me off if you want, but that's fine.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's do it. That's what they talked about.

[Trev]

It showed the, like, one of the main points of the article was like, oh, Earth was a lot hotter than we thought at different times and hotter for longer periods. And then the graph, you know, shows those big swings, right? There's. They both agree that there's been a lot of climatic variability over Earth's life.

[Dave]

But.

[Trev]

They, what they did say in there is like, you know, even though that there's been a cooling trend on. In the Earth, like globally in the, just in the last couple hundred years, it's getting hotter at, at a Faster rate than we've seen in time.

[Dave]

Anyway.

[Trev]

That's one of the things. And then just. Yeah, I mean, look, I think that was the biggest thing.

[Adam Thorne]

Certainly something is happening right now.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

But I think that what some of that article might suggest is there are better buffering systems, and we're potentially more resilient than we think maybe. I mean, it could be changes as well, and now we're causing them. Whereas before it was whatever natural disasters, shifts in the planet, tilts and solo flares and asteroids, we.

[Trev]

We evolved in a very cool period of Earth's history, you know, and so we. We don't really know how. How we'll adapt to, like, the hottest periods in Earth history.

[Adam Thorne]

Good point.

[Trev]

We'll just see.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, we just.

[Trev]

Unfortunately, because apparently we can't do anything about it.

[Adam Thorne]

We got to get some air conditioning.

[Dave]

Outside.

[Adam Thorne]

Outside air conditioning unit.

[Trev]

Just a bucket of ice.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't. I don't want to minimize, like, the carbon problem either, because, like, yeah, that's an issue. But I've got a feeling just this technology, like, when there's, like, a massive need for something, which maybe we're on the precipice for, maybe it's like, oh, this really is this huge issue.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Then I think we're gonna develop, like, giant carbon scrubbers.

[Dave]

Yeah, probably.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, I'm not saying, oh, it's okay that we just do what we're doing, but number one, we can't stop China. We're not gonna be able to stop them, so they're gonna do it anyway.

[Dave]

It.

[Adam Thorne]

Does that mean we should do it, too? Maybe not, but we gotta. We gotta figure out that carbon issue.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

I think they're also racing to find ulterior alternative modes of energy, too. You know, I think that we should pull away from carbon and look at nuclear energy, man.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, the fission thing.

[Trev]

Or is it fusion micro reactors? You know, the technology's changed a lot in the last 20, 30 years, 40 years.

[Dave]

And.

[Trev]

You know, you can build a smaller, safer reactor. You mean nuclear locally?

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trev]

And I mean, hopefully we get diffusion. I don't know how far that's out.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Trev]

But no, you're right about lives.

[Adam Thorne]

What's. What's actually going to help the nuclear thing? Because there was kind of this big trend for a while of, like, decommissioning them and not building new ones, which I never understood. That seems like the opposite of environmentally friendly to me, you know, because obviously, the more we make, the safer they get, the more efficient they are, and the less Waste, as long as you.

[Trev]

Don'T have, you know, too many Chernobyls. But again, that was from technology from the 50s.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, it was. It was a Gen 1 nuclear plant. We're on, like, Gen 4 or 5 now. They're far safer. Much, much safer.

[Dave]

I agree.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, I think AI is going to be the savior there because these data centers can't power themselves. So Google is building a nuclear center. I think Amazon is. They've got permission themselves to do it, and they're smaller.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So a lot of tech is going to come from that, and I think that's very cool. I mean, look, dude, if they can power a submarine on a nuclear reactor, there's no reason they can't make small ones for, like, every big city street.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, really. Unless they're just worried about people breaking into it and stealing stuff. I don't know, but.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

It seems like we already have the technology. They just won't let us use it. Somebody won't.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

I guess sentiments are probably very it quite a bit. I'm not sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Who knows anyway, either way.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I mean, look, Rogan and Bernie kind of got into it there. I think ultimately Joe is on the same page, though. Like, we're doing something, and it doesn't hurt to, like, be mindful of it. And also, you know, Joe is often a bit of a skeptic to things as well. You know, it's not that he's playing a devil's advocate, but he questioned things that generally people, quote unquote, aren't allowed to question, like, how dare you question this thing that everyone needs to believe? And he's like, well, maybe not. Yeah, maybe, maybe not. And I think that's fun. A lot of people that criticize Rogan and his podcast say this is misinformation. This is training a lot of people that are listening to start thinking in this way. I think those people have all lost the point of freedom of speech. To me, it just sounds like controlling a narrative, whether it's true or not. And it's like, that's not really how it works. Guys.

[Dave]

I. Yeah, I hear you.

[Trev]

Yeah, I think. I think he's. He's catching heat because he switched sides kind of at least appeared to. You know, obviously, when you listen to this podcast, you hear how. How much of his ideas are liberal, you know, that you wouldn't hear coming out of anybody that's in Congress right now that's on the conservative side.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. But I mean, because he's willing to talk to a Tucker and a Ben Shapiro and plenty of Republican commentators, because no other liberals are doing that. He immediately just gets thrown in this barrel. But I think all that does is highlight the state of what the liberals are doing.

[Dave]

I agree.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, actually, you guys are doing a disservice. You're not brave enough to have a conversation. I mean, look, you know, I don't like Gavin Newsom. You know, I am not a fan of that guy. Fair play to him, though. He's been doing a podcast where he has, you know, conservative commentators on. He actually has taken a bit of a step back from it because they've kind of been destroying some of his arguments, which is quite hilarious. But I think fair play to him and he's probably learned a lot from it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, it's like, oh, yeah, maybe I am making this state a bit wacky.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, but those are the conversations that people need to have.

[Trev]

I agree.

[Adam Thorne]

I agree.

[Trev]

That's. I mean, that's. That's clearly the biggest benefit of what Joe has started is just creating that space for open dialogue that we've lost.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Trev]

Big media just dictating what we get to get to listen to.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure.

[Trev]

So.

[Adam Thorne]

And also, like Bernie pointed out, it's not like a 30 second soundbite to like. Bernie loved coming on and really having hours to just chat and go. It's kind of a bummer he had to get going. It sounded like he had an appointment because it was only a two hour pod.

[Trev]

Yes.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

I was surprised. They definitely could have kept talking.

[Adam Thorne]

He certainly had plenty of energy. He didn't take a pee break. For an old guy, he was pretty good. He was ready to go. I think he would have talked for another hour, easy. That guy is just, you know, a huge brain in a kind of frail old body. Let's be fair. Get to the gym, Bernie. We're worried about you. Work out a bit.

[Trev]

Start walking.

[Adam Thorne]

What did you think about the declining pension discussion when he was talking about how things have changed and that kind of did bring up the Make America great again idea. Like, I know the criticism of that early on was like, well, when was it better? Like, we've got all the technology now. I think Bernie pointed it out. It's like a family used to just have one working adult. The dad, the wife could stay at home, raise the kids, work in a Ford factory, have a car and get a mortgage for a three bedroom home with a.

[Trev]

Was when I was a kid.

[Adam Thorne]

You know what I mean?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And then they would Retire and they have a pension and that was enough to keep them going. And Bernie was like, all of that's been destroyed.

[Trev]

Started in the 80s under Reagan when we started to adopt trickle down economics.

[Adam Thorne]

Ooh. And it's like a lot of that pressure is from Wall street, right?

[Trev]

Yeah, sure, definitely.

[Dave]

Definitely.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, that's especially now BlackRock owns like every freaking company.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Like those three companies, what they say, own like 90% of all large international companies or terrifying. Something. Something stupid. I forget what it was.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

They're not bringing pensions back, are they?

[Trev]

Wall Street, I think I wrote that down. What was it? Three Wall street firms are majority stockholders in 95% of American corporations.

[Adam Thorne]

Jesus, that's crazy. Well, that's almost.

[Trev]

That's the real conspiracy, man.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, but that's, that's almost as terrifying a stat is when they said that like 75% of all advertising commercials, whatever, for the cable news programs were from pharmaceutical companies.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

This is like. And that was like all through Covid.

[Dave]

Really? Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Dude, you're just like, okay, yeah, let's, you know, open our eyes a bit to that.

[Trev]

That's, you know, that's something that I've said probably to you a long time is like, you know, for the most part, I think Americans actually agree on the topics. But, you know, politics is more power, politicians are more powerful if they divide us and then we actually agree on more things than we disagree.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I think so. For sure. I think if people really sit down, I mean, it's going to come down to things like your kids health, you know, community, law and order, like a bunch of things. Job security, you know, I mean all the fundamentals we're like on honestly the same page about. And then there's just these like peripherals, elements, stuff.

[Trev]

A lot of it's just false narrative that. To get us spun up so that they can control the news media narrative. But I think like, instead of it being left and right, it's really more of a class divide than anything, which is what Bernie really brings, like what he really pushes.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, things have changed now with that pension situation. And also the big thing now is housing prices. It's like if you didn't get in the housing market 10 years ago, you're really gonna struggle because at least 10 years ago your house has appreciated. Like, when did you buy your place?

[Trev]

18.

[Adam Thorne]

18. How much has it gone up? You don't just gimme percentages. It's doubled the 100%. Yeah. So now you have that. You could refinance Pull that money out, start a business. I mean, that's like a year.

[Trev]

Where would I live?

[Adam Thorne]

That's a year's wages. No, no, no. You refinance your house.

[Trev]

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So you just pull out the equity. Your mortgage will go up, hopefully the rates are good, and then you've pulled some equity out. You could start a business. You could do a lot of things with that money also sell it. And now you've got a bigger chunk to move into the much larger, more expensive housing market. For someone that didn't have a house during that time and rented or did other things, like I've done, the, the like entry point is really high.

[Trev]

Unattainable.

[Adam Thorne]

It's almost unattainable.

[Trev]

Almost. I mean, for most people, by a long shot, it is.

[Adam Thorne]

You've got to be making, I mean, Bozeman alone, dude, in the city of Bozeman, like a three bedroom house that doesn't look like much of anything is a million dollars. What's a million dollar mortgage? You know, let's say you make 95,000 a year, which was great money, you know, five, six plus years ago, really good money. That was like as much as you needed to make. And now it's like, oh, okay, your mortgages, you know, you're. The home you bought is more than 10 times, you know, what's 20%? You need 200 grand cash for the down payment. That's. That used to be what houses cost.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Six thousand a month on a million dollar mortgage over 30 years.

[Dave]

Mm.

[Adam Thorne]

Six thousand a month. A lot of money.

[Trev]

Yeah, that's. You're definitely in the top 5% of earners across the country, probably.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, that's, that's $90,000. About $90,000 with taxes taken out. Comes to close to that because that's $72,000 a year that you're paying out for for the mortgage. So even if you made 90 grand, you would have to spend 100% of your income just to live in that house.

[Trev]

And what Bernie said, he figured out that his dad paid 18% towards their mortgage or rent.

[Adam Thorne]

Right?

[Trev]

Yeah, whenever. Back in, Whenever he was basically living.

[Adam Thorne]

Expenses, he was saying is 18%.

[Trev]

No, that was just what they paid for, for their, for their house.

[Adam Thorne]

No, that's what I meant. Just for accommodation. 18%. So that much. And yeah, now it's not uncommon for it to be 50.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

For people. And how we get out of that one, I, you know, I don't even think Bernie's ideals can figure that one out. I mean, I think the solution is going to be something like really cheap apartment housing that is being built in like in just massive numbers and then it's like everyone's living in a one bedroom.

[Trev]

But I think it's false scarcity. I think that like, if you read into it like Those companies like BlackRock and wherever the other ones are, we probably shouldn't say that on the air. We might get, get less somewhere gonna get whacked.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

But they, they've bought up a lot of. They're buying up residential houses all across the country and creating, I think false scarcity. Scarcity to increase the cost.

[Adam Thorne]

No doubt.

[Trev]

And they'll sell it.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trev]

And then so there's gonna be a bubble on it, I bet you.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay. But I mean, but it's not, they're not gonna go down in price. They've never done that other than in 2008 when that exploded and it didn't do it everywhere as well.

[Trev]

It just, it would be if there's a lot of houses on the market, the cost is gonna come down.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean it could. Yeah. To come down some. But it almost seems that it needs to come down like 50%. And there's no chance it's gonna do that.

[Trev]

No, I don't think so.

[Adam Thorne]

No chance.

[Trev]

So I can't remember.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

I mean, during the 2008 crash, a lot of people across the country were underwater in their homes.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

You know, so.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A bunch of people I know happened to a buddy of mine from Ohio that just, he was living in Vegas. That happened. And he basically just decided, well, I'm going to stop paying the mortgage.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And because it's going to take them forever to evict me because there's so many people that they have to sort out that he just have free rent basically until they kick him out, knowing full well that because his house had like halved in value, he would never make his money back on it. And yeah, he just had to like just walk away from it. But he lived in there a year and a half without paying anything on it.

[Dave]

Wow.

[Adam Thorne]

So, yeah.

[Trev]

You know, I think that Bernie and Joe kind of, you know, Joe didn't really disagree with him on the state of the housing market and the decrease in, you know, the purchasing power of the middle class. But like he, you know, they both, they tied it to corporate. Corporate greed of those three companies that just are buying everything just, just to buy it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

You know, and then, then they're like, what else did they talk about? They talked about, like they said, diffusion of responsibility, where there's so many shell companies that you can't get like any good, like customer service from them or accountability from any of the companies because they're like, oh, that's. Sorry, that's. We're just being told that by our shell company partner, parent.

[Adam Thorne]

So, yeah, I mean, look, this is why you don't have, I mean, in a lot of ways, you don't get. Have one person running companies anymore. It used to be like businesses were run by one person or a family. Now it's large companies that are mostly Wall street conglomerates that are, that are running all these. So there's no one person you can point at. I think that's why it's so easy to just attack Zuckerberg or Bezos or Elon, because if their companies do anything we don't like, it's their fault. It's like, right on them. And you know what, who are you going to point out at Blackrock? I don't even know anyone that works there. Not a biggest company in the world. No.

[Trev]

They probably don't want you to know secrets. Secret Pelosi.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, how are they going to, you know, with that, though? And here's the problem with a lot of Bernie's ideals. Like, I love his philosophy, I love how caring he is, I really do. But I'm like, we live in, in the clouds a little bit. Like, what are the solutions to these things? It's like, yeah, you highlight it, you talk about it, and then what are we supposed to do? Like, powerless. There was one thing that I felt like was probably missing from the conversation is he didn't, he. He didn't have a lot of solutions for things. He had, he had some ideas that probably could.

[Trev]

I think he did brainstormed and give me some examples. Yeah, they're big problems, man. And yeah, it's. I think there's, there's options. You know, I think like, we, you and I have talked about this for a long time, but with what Bernie stressed in there and that Joe agreed with was they gotta reform campaign finance. And that's like the root of so many of our problems across the country. Because though it's the wealthy people that have access to politicians, you can spend $160 million on a, on a, on a campaign and you'll get a top government post where you can get any investigations into your company canceled.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Trev]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's. I can't get away with that because I don't have money and so you got to reform the way that money influences politics in our country. And that's a strong. Bernie's always argued for that.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

So I'll give him credit for that. And I totally agree with that.

[Dave]

And I did.

[Trev]

I think Joe agreed with him.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, no, I do, too. You know, it's interesting, though, that the Democrats had like over a billion dollars to spend and Trump spent less than 500 million and.

[Trev]

Is that right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And like walked all over it. So it's like, okay, that wasn't like billionaire donors or whatever, but that's a lot of money. Some rich people gave the Democrats a lot of money and that didn't work. So it doesn't always just guarantee the win, which.

[Trev]

No, it doesn't.

[Adam Thorne]

It doesn't go against the argument a little bit.

[Trev]

No, it buys influence in Congress is what it does it. Whenever, whenever you donate like that, you got, you got a direct line to say, hey, if you, if you want to, let's, let's sell all of our public land. And can you just add this one little parcel in southeastern Montana that I've always wanted to get since I gave you $100 million for your campaign.

[Adam Thorne]

Right, That's a good point. You know what?

[Trev]

I'll just adjust the map there whenever I, before I submit this to Congress.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Trev]

That's, that's how it happens.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. It's. Yeah, that's. I don't know how. Because the problem is that's such a benefit to the politicians that, who the heck is going to set that system up?

[Trev]

Bernie Sanders? Now, there's others that support, that agree with them on the left and the right, I think.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, but is it one of those things that just sounds really good and they. No one's ever going to pull the trigger on it. It just seems to be getting worse every year.

[Trev]

It is going to take, it's going to take us changing the Constitution or enough states adopting campaign finance reform laws and it just becoming a big enough issue to people.

[Adam Thorne]

But yeah, I think it's, I think it's going to come down to the people. I think that we, the we the people need to just organize better because we just don't have the voice that we think we do or used to.

[Trev]

We do.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, we do. We just not using it.

[Trev]

We don't use it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like if we really all started to get on the same page and we're like, you know what? We're not having this.

[Trev]

Stop it. Off with their heads.

[Adam Thorne]

Take them down.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Hopefully we never have to cross that bridge again.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, let's. Let's not. But it's. But they should be scared of us.

[Trev]

I mean, last time we did, we whipped your guys's ass, by the way.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, that tea waste. Come on. You know, that's interesting that. That technically was a civil war. Did you know that?

[Trev]

Yeah, technically was.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So the actual civil war was the civil War, too. Judgment Day.

[Trev]

Judgment Day.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Anyway.

[Dave]

All right.

[Trev]

I never thought about that way because we always look at it from, you know, the. The dominant American perspective, Right.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, it was Americans versus British, right? Yeah, but it was the. It was like the separatists versus the something else. I can't remember.

[Trev]

Patriots against the Redcoats kind of.

[Adam Thorne]

But not. Yeah, it was. A lot of. It was. It was. Yeah, it was interesting, and it was probably the most important turning point in history, and I'm glad it happened and went that way. And I'm British, so.

[Dave]

Yep. Boom. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But I'm a proud American, too, so.

[Dave]

You are.

[Adam Thorne]

Suck it, bricks. You lost.

[Trev]

You're here by choice.

[Adam Thorne]

That's by choice. All right. They jumped into Israel, Gaza. This is where I think Bernie is strong. I think this is where his moral character stands out. You know, we saw it in the Democratic election for mayor in New York recently. Did you see that debate where all of the guys except the Muslim dude, the one was. Was like, one of the first questions is like, where will you go when you're first elected? And they all like, for some reason, going to Israel. I'm like, okay, Pandering.

[Trev]

I hate it, man.

[Adam Thorne]

Dude, it was one of the ugliest, stupidest things I've ever seen in a debate. Like, I couldn't believe it. I was just like, is this for real or is this a parody?

[Trev]

I haven't watched it.

[Adam Thorne]

It was really.

[Trev]

But. But yeah, that's what Joe said. Like, I'm going to get there first. I'm going to get there first.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm like, okay, so someone's kissing their ass. And, you know, he won, right?

[Trev]

Mondani.

[Adam Thorne]

He did. He did win. And he was like, well, I'll go talk to him in New York. Like. Like, I will everyone else. Which is probably what you want to hear from a mayor. Honestly, I'm not saying I know anything about him, but that makes more sense. I don't need my mayor elite immediately leaving my state to go on vacation. Like, chill out.

[Dave]

Right?

[Adam Thorne]

Be pondering to pandering to different countries. Like, take it easy there, bro. But, yeah, they, you know, he talked about the. The killing 50,000 children starving to death is. Is just unacceptable anywhere, anytime. And this argument that they grow up to be terrorists or they're just in the way or whatever it is. I'm like, they're fucking kids, dude. Yeah, they're kids, you know, And I follow some. Some pages on Instagram that hard to watch, but I do it because I know the news isn't showing it and they're pulling people out of rubble and it's sometimes kids.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And it's like, yeah, I don't want to see that it hurts. But you know what? I bet that kid doesn't want to go through that either.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

And I have a 17 month old daughter and I look in her face every day and just see this beautiful little thing that just has no idea what's going on is trusting the adults around them, around her to have, like, created a civil society that's safe so that she can explore and do all these things. And then these kids over there are just like, what the fuck did I do? And my arm got blown off.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Who do I. Who am I supposed to hate again? Like, what is happening? I just want to play. I want to kick a ball around.

[Trev]

Yeah, it's.

[Adam Thorne]

It's tough, dude. It's. I think they're way past justifying completely leveling that place.

[Trev]

Yeah. I think they crossed the line when they started bombing indiscriminately, for sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Painful stuff.

[Trev]

It is, man. It's really bad.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, and. And Bernie had that bill and he said we're going to cut off whatever it was, like supplies to Israel, I think.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

Some sort of funding if they keep stopping the blockades, you know, keeping these blockades and doing all that stuff. And, you know, nobody signed it. Nobody was into it. Nobody signing that.

[Trev]

Like 10 people.

[Dave]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trev]

Because they didn't want to speak out against Israel is what they said.

[Dave]

Right? Yep.

[Trev]

Wild.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I think we're learning a lot of power in the Israeli group. Seems like, because we're not doing this for other countries. I don't know if we do this for England, and England's supposed to be like the. What do they call this special relationship or something that America and Britain has?

[Dave]

Oh, I don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

They have a term for it.

[Trev]

It's like they're five eyes.

[Adam Thorne]

We're like with the tight, tight two.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't know, maybe that's just something we're holding on to because.

[Trev]

Yeah. They need it.

[Adam Thorne]

Slowly losing all our power.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Hey, we're still friends, right? Trump's like, sure, buddy, yeah. I'll call you next week. I'm real busy.

[Trev]

Buy my crypto and we'll talk. Yeah, I think that what they, they made that comparison, like how, how much Democrats are beholden to their Israel supporting constituents and then like as soon as you talk out against him that they, that they primary you.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

I think that's the point they made. And then like on the flip side.

[Adam Thorne]

Bernie, Bernie didn't say. No, he agreed. I mean, that's, this is clearly not a conspiracy or, you know, like, like suspicion. It's like this seems to happen.

[Dave]

What was it again?

[Adam Thorne]

It seems to happen that if you speak out against them. Yeah. And they knock you out of your primary.

[Trev]

No, he said that. Yeah, he said that. You put yourself at risk. And Joe's like, yeah, they're. Because nobody wants to vote against Israel. And then the same thing happens on the right currently with, if you don't, you know, get in line with the president, that you're going to get primaried.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. Or traditionally, if you go against, you know, the Christian forces, you know, the stricter Christian forces in this country. I mean, again, it's politics battling powers and, you know, I don't know, just like super PACs, we should be suspicious of these powers. We should be suspicious of these people that, you know, wield so much control over our government, you know, and campaign.

[Trev]

Finance would fix that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, they probably don't have, but they probably find other ways to get their leverage.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, they're not messing around. They've been doing this for a long time. They know how to.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

If, if we, if we allow.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Laws and loopholes to be written into it and yeah, of course, sneaky. But you gotta try, you gotta try and fix it. And that is the cause of a lot of things.

[Adam Thorne]

What do you think about his, his talk on healthcare and child services, like being, you know, this is always that topic, that debate. I think it makes sense. I think we're the richest country in the world by far.

[Trev]

We, we can afford to be able.

[Adam Thorne]

To figure this out.

[Trev]

We can figure it out. You know, we can.

[Adam Thorne]

I feel like, what was that, like Sweden or something? Denmark. Who was that country that has basically a trillion dollar fund from oil?

[Dave]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, can America not put together like a $10 trillion fund and we just literally pull from the interest to pay for health care?

[Trev]

Yeah, definitely.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, sure, printing that money would boost up the interest rates. I mean, for a minute. But we got good buffer systems. I mean, we printed A fucking trillion dollars over Covid.

[Trev]

We definitely could do it, man. There's a lot of different ways I think that people have talked about over the years. They referenced Finland or whoever it was that had that fund, but as soon as you do that and you, you socialize medicine.

[Dave]

Right?

[Trev]

That's what we're talking about. And then you, you take that money out of that, like the, the huge revenues that the medical industry and the insurance industry gets.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

They were just making money hand over fist.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Trev]

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[Trev]

You'Re going to be cutting into that. That's why it's so challenging.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So what you're saying is the medical industry should not be trusted. That's what it sounds like. Sounds like that. You're saying they're crooked.

[Trev]

I think that industry, large industry, should be regulated. Yes.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Trev]

Which is what you're saying.

[Adam Thorne]

100%.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Those. I believe in regulating industry for sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Filthy bastards. I mean. Yeah, dude. That recent fraud that they uncovered, did you hear about this where it was like all these companies and shell companies and they were making all these Medicare claims. One company ordered a billion catheters and even some of the charges were being passed to people and making them pay. Yeah. So I'm like, here, God, in America. This is just recently. This was a couple of days ago. Yeah. I'll send you the article on it. This is like a big kind of. I guess it was, you know, people in the White House, they've just like uncovered this massive medical fraud system. A bunch of doctors are going down and all these different companies that have just been completely just rape insurance systems and. Wow, so sad, dude. It's like how the. Look, we all like money.

[Dave]

How the.

[Adam Thorne]

How do you justify that? Like you're straight up a criminal.

[Dave]

You're a crook. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like you know it, you know, and it's like even, oh, you're living in your house and you tell everyone, oh yeah, I'm the executive of whatever. Of this big medical company. Oh, really?

[Trev]

Nice.

[Adam Thorne]

Wow. Okay, John, well, thanks for coming to the barbecue. They're going home knowing that they're a piece of shit for sure.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

They can just tell. Oh, that person sleeping.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, yeah. Wondering why he's drinking so much whiskey at the barbecue. He's hiding from something.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Trev]

As he, like, crying himself in his, like, Lambo on his way home.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yelling at his kids.

[Trev]

He's all by himself.

[Adam Thorne]

He has no friends at all. Yeah, dude. I mean, well, look one way the left is always talking about ant Bernie is taxing the super rich, you know.

[Dave]

Yeah, they did talk about that.

[Adam Thorne]

Having them pay whatever this fair share would. A couple of words means.

[Trev]

I'm like Bernie said you on your billionth dollar, you pay 90 cents. That's. That's his idea.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, like 90. Oh, 90 cents for every dollar on.

[Trev]

Your billionth dollar and everything. Every dollar passed your billionth dollar, every dollar pasture, 999 million dollar. You get tax. 90 cents.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

So you make. If you make a billion dollars in a year, you're building dollar, you pay 90 cents to the government, and then every dollar after that, you get 10 cents on the dollar.

[Dave]

Huh?

[Adam Thorne]

You get to keep 10 cents. So basically what you're saying is a 90% tax rate once you've made a billion. So how much money beyond a billion, you got to pay 90% of it.

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trev]

And that would pay for the. The health. Our health care system, it would pay for, you know, you'd be able to supplement, like, school programs to be able to.

[Dave]

I mean, you.

[Trev]

That's.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, assuming that they put it in that in the right places, you know, assuming. Assuming systems that aren't set up like, you know, like what was discovered during DOGE, which is like the Department of Education, like 40% of it was just going to, like, administrative roles and not to, you know, teachers, like, going to the schools. It just became this, like, real bloated, you know, bureaucracy. And. Yeah, I think there's two things at play. It's like, how much are you. It's like a container. Like, how much are you pouring in and how much are you letting out? Mm, it's like if it's a. Just a straight pipe, it doesn't matter how much you pour in. It's just gonna all get wasted. Like it's going nowhere. You've got to be able to collect some, make it work. You know, you have to put a halt to the. As much of the waste as you can before you Start dumping money into it.

[Trev]

How much, how much waste do you think we've identified in the last six months?

[Adam Thorne]

I think we've talked about this a little bit. I think more than we ever have before. And I still think a ton of is still gone, you know, I don't know. It's still unaccounted for. I mean, listen, when it comes to the Pentagon, they're never gonna find those trillions of dollars that they can't account for. Like, there's just no paper trail for it because.

[Trev]

Because they went to some freaking skunk works operation and you know what I mean? It's because the. Whatever documents we had on it were made to go away because we'd been using it for surreptitious means for decades.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, we're reverse engineering alien spacecraft, dude. That's expensive.

[Trev]

Hopefully. Hopefully.

[Adam Thorne]

I hope it's not always it. It's just like a bunch of people. Just a bunch of people. The Pentagon going on vacations. Like, damn it, come on.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Start working on the UFOs. Well, we covered the climate change thing for the most part, and then there were free universities. That was a big one. I mean, Europe has it. I think that would be huge. The student debt cycle is just crazy. It is just a nightmare. These kids are getting out of College. They owe 150,000, and they still will not make enough money to ever buy a house. So it's like, what are we doing to the next generation just for an education? It seems crazy. And to be fair, kids that go to college aren't necessarily all that much better in the workplace anyway from most jobs, I would say.

[Trev]

I think it depends. I think it depends. I mean, you're. You're pursuing a higher. A higher degree for a reason.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Because they won't give you a license to be a therapist, a mental health therapist, until you have a master's degree.

[Trev]

I think there's a lot of degrees that don't lead to high, well paying jobs. For sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Did I miss your point?

[Adam Thorne]

No. I mean, yeah. I mean, if there's gatekeepers designed to not let you do the thing that you're trying to do. For example, if you become, let's say you're really handy woodworker. Right. You're a great, like, cabinet finisher. You can just like finish cabinets and make it look nice. You don't need a qualification for that. You show up, you can cut all the things, and then they hire you. This is why people hire the Amish. They're great in this.

[Dave]

Right?

[Adam Thorne]

It's Like, I could have sat down before I went to my master's program. And people are like, oh, he's a really good listener, and he's very empathetic, and he understands where I'm coming from, and he makes me feel seen. And I like talking to them, therefore, I'm playing the role of a therapist.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, yeah, but you can't do that because you don't have this certificate right now. I'll tell you right now what I learned in that program. Yeah, some stuff. Some stuff, dude.

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, it's not. It's no surprise that I don't know anyone that failed out of that program. And there's been a range of IQs in there that I've seen no failures. So what is really happening there, you know?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And I have a bit of a bias to it because I liked chemistry and organic chemistry and classes that are really difficult, take a lot of thinking, and even kids that work hard fail those classes. And there's the. This. A lot of these systems are just gatekeepers, and that is exactly what this expensive university bullshit's all about.

[Dave]

What did.

[Trev]

What did he. Joe said something like that.

[Dave]

What?

[Trev]

He said, we all believe that there should be free public education. Most people believe that the university system should be funded. He says, you want to make America great again, make less losers.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes, I agree.

[Trev]

You do that by not stacking the deck against them, by, you know, loading them up with health care bills. Right. Because that's the number one source of bankruptcy in their country.

[Dave]

And.

[Trev]

Yeah, and college degrees, man. Well, I mean, how do you dig out from that?

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, just to kind of like, sum up a lot about what was said, free universities, free healthcare, stop people working 50, 60 hours a week and give people healthier food. Like the regulations that RFK is putting in, which literally, we have had nothing like that before that stood out at all. Those are fundamentals that would change everything. And here's the thing with the universities. They have such massive, like, endowment money like Harvard has, like. I think it's like a trillion or it's many, many hundreds of billions of dollars.

[Dave]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

Invested away. I have to look it up. But it really pissed Trump off, and that's why he put. That's why he's been, like, going to war with them. But the point is, from the interest of that alone, every student that goes there could have free education, and they.

[Trev]

Wouldn'T remove, like, diversity, equity, and inclusion language from. From their. You know, from their philosophy.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, DEI stuff is stupid.

[Dave]

I know.

[Trev]

Well, that's why. That's why he's going after him. What's that?

[Adam Thorne]

Are you a fan of DEI stuff?

[Dave]

I'm.

[Trev]

I'm a fan of being inclusive with. Of people.

[Dave]

I.

[Trev]

You know, I think that there is probably a lot of different ideas of what DEI means, and especially there's a lot of propaganda associated with it, so you'd have to tell me how you define it for me to agree with you. But I do think that, you know, as a. As a modern industrial country, we should. That's. That is built on progressive ideals that we can afford to be inclusive.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

If it's like another Disney movie where they're like, oh, we need to have a black princess here, you're like, easy, tiger.

[Trev]

Who gives a fuck?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, who? Exactly. It's like, go watch it if you want to.

[Trev]

Yeah, but, like, make a big deal about it. It's ridiculous.

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But I mean, I think what it is is it talks about inclusion, but I think what some of this stuff highlights is that, like, it's kind of the opposite. It's actually exclusive to other people. And that's where it gets slippery. It's like, it just gets kind of politicized. I think the LGBT stuff happened.

[Trev]

Definitely gets politicized.

[Adam Thorne]

And then it's getting pulled in all different directions. And it's like, most people just care. We're just trying to bring them into the fold so everyone has a better life. Doesn't mean kick out the people that were already there.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like that. That's the opposite of what it is.

[Trev]

And do you think that was happening?

[Adam Thorne]

I. Potentially, Yeah, I think so. For sure. I mean, I never.

[Dave]

I didn't.

[Trev]

I never really heard that argument outside of the argument. I mean, I think that is the implication. I agree with you there. I just never heard of really good examples of where that's happened.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

I think it's mostly like most people don't care. Most people around the country don't care what you do, what you go by what you want to be called, whatever, but just want to be treated like everybody else.

[Adam Thorne]

All right.

[Trev]

I think it became an issue because it was convenient politically.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, no doubt. It's something to rile people up. I was looking up Harvard, and it's 53 billion. They have 53 billion dollars.

[Trev]

That's crazy, dude.

[Adam Thorne]

That's a huge amount of money. It's massive. That would make you one of the richest individual people in the country.

[Trev]

What is that fund for?

[Adam Thorne]

It's just their endowment. It's like from all of the value and, you know, they get a lot of donations and they're just like building this massive wealth pot, which they can do with whatever they want. But they're also charging these students 200 grand a degree.

[Trev]

They're private. Private company, man.

[Adam Thorne]

True.

[Dave]

You know what I mean?

[Trev]

We don't.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it is a company, but I. I feel like universities need to be a different thing.

[Dave]

Okay. I would agree with you. It.

[Adam Thorne]

It doesn't. It. That seems problematic big time.

[Trev]

It is.

[Adam Thorne]

And I'm not saying make them all run and controlled by the state, but like, it's. It's a clear line from. We're creating the next generation of the people in our country. Why would we want to bog them down before they're even like 22?

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

With some. It just. It doesn't make sense. That's like the opposite. Like, the real education is don't go to college and learn a trade.

[Dave]

Is it.

[Trev]

Why didn't you do that?

[Adam Thorne]

Because I'm too lazy to dumb. Do a trade. No, I think I would have liked if I wasn't so old. I mean, I was 40 when I was like, all right, I need to make a career change and go do something else. If I was younger, I think I would love to learn like a crafted skill and then own a business and go do that.

[Trev]

I think I would make an. A killing.

[Adam Thorne]

I think I would love that.

[Trev]

Like a plumber or an H vac guy. Person worth their salt, man, there. You could pull down six figures. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Air conditioning repair guys, they make. They can make a bunch of money. I mean, especially up here in Bozeman, we have a lot of work building going on at the Yellowstone Club and up at Big Sky. Big money, big houses. Like, we're talking tens of millions of dollars. And these people that are having this stuff built, they're so wealthy, they're like, I want this built now. I want it built fast. There's like whole teams up there. They're charging big money. They get paid to drive up there and back from Bozeman, which is like an hour. A lot of them live down here and they're paying a lot of money for people to do, like, trim and cement work and, you know, concrete and.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Trev]

You know, build all those. Those big houses of all the rich Californians that are moving into Montana.

[Adam Thorne]

Basically.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Basically.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

And you know what? Like, there's a shortage of tradespeople and they, they touched on this a little bit in the podcast. And Joe, I think, says, why don't we pay for that? And Bernie's like, absolutely right. We should subsidize industries. We should subsidize the education and training for industries where we have lacking people.

[Adam Thorne]

I love that.

[Trev]

Nurses, doctors, tradesmen.

[Adam Thorne]

I think that that is. Yeah, very true. Doctors should not get out of school owing like half a million dollars. It's gonna change the way that they're a doctor for sure. It's gonna change the way they have to pay that back so they don't get the luxury of being like, I'm gonna do some pro bono work. I'm gonna do a summer in like this very poor area just to kind of help out these people. Like, they can't do any of that stuff.

[Dave]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

It's heartbreaking.

[Trev]

They're beholden to the, to the big hospitals and insurance industries, no doubt.

[Adam Thorne]

Last thing I want to touch on before we wrap this up. And I think Bernie made a good point talking about Trump's lawsuit and media intimidation.

[Trev]

That was a wild one.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And here's the thing here. I think that because a lot of the mainstream media is left leaning that this is like a bit of a auto correction, potentially. It's like, hey, start being more accurate with your representation. I mean, you're, you're still gonna be a bit biased regardless.

[Trev]

It was the lawsuit against.

[Adam Thorne]

There were. There's been a few of them. I mean, CBS is one over the 60 minute segment.

[Trev]

One of them. Yeah, that's the one you're talking about.

[Dave]

The.

[Trev]

They highlighted that. So they actually settled today.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

So their parent company paramount settled for $16 million so that it wouldn't go.

[Adam Thorne]

To court for how many.

[Trev]

16.

[Adam Thorne]

And Trump gets that.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

I don't know how the damages pay out.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, gotcha. 16 is not very much. But Bernie brought up an interesting point. Paramount is doing a merger right now. Is. Aren't they? That needs to be approved by the government.

[Trev]

Needs to be approved by Trump's director of communication. I forget now I can't remember who it is who sees that agency now anyway. Yeah, it has to be approved by Trump and so they settled with him so that they could push his merger through.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that is definitely a conflict of interest for sure.

[Trev]

Significant.

[Dave]

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, though, like, I don't think that media should be able to, like there has to be journalistic integrity.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, you have to like, stand by your sources and you can't just make stuff up and you shouldn't be able to just change. Like if you've got your, if you've Got your biased leaning on a story, then that's. That's part of it. Because you work for a paper or a station that already has their ideology that you're all kind of discussing, but lying through your teeth on something to make it look different. I think there is room to push back against that. I mean, media companies need to be more accurate in that sense.

[Trev]

So you think that we should regulate media to hold them accountable for lying?

[Adam Thorne]

The. Yeah, if it's egregious. I mean, obviously there's.

[Trev]

But should the government regulate?

[Adam Thorne]

Well, who else would be able to.

[Dave]

Nobody. Right.

[Trev]

It would have to be us. I was just asking.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I mean, and I think through. I think it would just be like, through a lawsuit, there should just be standards like there probably already are, that exist. It's like, hey, okay, you said this, and then you said that you thought it went this way because of this information, but these emails and these text messages show that you actually knew something else was happening, and that wasn't the case, and you kind of conspired to make it look like this.

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trev]

The problem is you'd be at the whim of every. Every change in administration to being corrected.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

To meet the expectation of whoever the current admin is.

[Dave]

You know what I mean?

[Adam Thorne]

That is true. That is true. And I. And I think that's Bernie's point. Right? He's like, look, at the end of the day, it's a slippery slope. It sets a bad precedent, and he's not for it.

[Trev]

Well, that's. That's why they. That's why we outlined freedom of speech in the Constitution.

[Dave]

Mm. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What is freedom of the press? Is that part of freedom of speech, or is that. Is that the Third Amendment?

[Trev]

I should probably know this. You should too. It wasn't it on, like, your immigration test?

[Adam Thorne]

It was.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I. I read the pamphlet, memorized it, and forgot it all.

[Trev]

I knew it at one point.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

I think it is the third.

[Trev]

That's the First Amendment.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, so it's. But that's freedom of speech. So it's just.

[Trev]

Freedom of the press is protected by the First Amendment is the right to publish and share information, opinions, and thoughts without censorship or restraint. The First Amendment's free press and free speech clauses primarily limit government regulation of the press and private speech, not government regulation of government speech.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, there we go. So it's all wrapped up in the first one. What is the third, then? What was I thinking?

[Dave]

Pro.

[Trev]

Prohibits the quarter copy of the.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh. It prohibits the quartering of soldiers in private homes.

[Trev]

That one's important. Super important, man.

[Adam Thorne]

Gotta have that one in there.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Trev]

Get those lobsterbacks out of the.

[Adam Thorne]

That's number three. Get out of the pantry there, George.

[Dave]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, bless. Well, yeah, that one. That one. Ultimately, I was on Bernie's side for that. I do think that it probably sets a bad precedent and, you know, but, I mean, look.

[Trev]

But how do we address it? There is a problem.

[Adam Thorne]

Trump is. Is just sick of the media and the way that they've lit him up. Imagine just being him. I mean, also having to do those court cases and having all those felonies or whatever put on him. I mean, I'm surprised he's not wackier in office and just completely rampaging. Yeah, he got that position back and he's, like, actually, like, probably more chill than he was the first time around. I'm like, I thought this guy was going to be super pissed, right? He was mostly just pissed that Israel and Iran. That was a hilarious little clip. I was like, oh, damn. I have never heard a president say that shit. And it.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

And it wasn't really egregious. I was kind of like, yeah, well, I think. I think we agree. I think most people do.

[Trev]

No, yeah, it was, dude. It's a sign of the times, and I. I'm okay with it. You know, I think they don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

What the fuck they're doing. That is crazy.

[Dave]

Yeah. I like it.

[Adam Thorne]

I loved it.

[Trev]

We could imagine if Obama would have said that. God, Republicans would have lost their fucking mind.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, hell yeah, they would have.

[Trev]

Yeah, they would have.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, that's.

[Trev]

I mean, they can get past his tan suit, dude. Still talk about it, dude.

[Adam Thorne]

They gave him so much shit for that suit. And it's like, all right, we are really. Is this all we got? This is all we got.

[Trev]

This is all we got. We're just making shit up at this point.

[Adam Thorne]

Bless. That was a different time, dude. Now it's like, it's all thrown out the window. We don't even have a chance to, like, point out something that Trump's doing because he's doing 10 times other bigger things that you're just like, wait, what? What did he just do?

[Trev]

That's the strategy, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Total misdirection.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

Genius.

[Trev]

Just like, hey, look over here, look over here. Get all this shit.

[Adam Thorne]

Just take in Diet Cokes from the. From the back of the canteen.

[Trev]

Trump doesn't have. I don't think he has that level of strategic thinking, but I do think the people that have made sure that he got in power do.

[Dave]

Right.

[Trev]

They had Project 20, 25 lined up for years, and they're. They're right on, right on track with it, man.

[Adam Thorne]

They're knocking it out.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Trev]

One page, one chapter at a time.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. Making America great again. What are we going to do great?

[Trev]

You know, some people. For some people. You know, I thought that's interesting from, from Joe, the last few, like, in the last couple months, you know, I've seen clips and listened to his cast and, you know, there's. He's definitely distanced, you know, had a countering opinion to. To Trump and thinks that, like, Trump. The Trump administration at least is like, with bombing Iran, like, you know, the whole. One of the biggest selling points for Trump was he was going to end the wars. Wars on day one, man. And here we are picking a fight with the only nuclear power in. In the Middle east or the.

[Adam Thorne]

The second one or potentially the only.

[Trev]

Potentially.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, the only Muslim one.

[Dave]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Trev]

So it took. It took him, what, like, not even six months and we're already bomb. In other countries.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I mean, to be honest, it was what, four bombs? I don't think that we're still doing it. And a bunch of Tomahawk missiles and very few people died.

[Dave]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

Because it was just a nuclear spot.

[Trev]

I thought I read somewhere that we kind of said, hey, we're gonna drop bombs on Tuesday. That they had some sort of notice.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Trev]

They cleared casualties.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. They cleared them out, which is quite interesting.

[Trev]

That and all their fissile material. It took like, I'll get all the. Get all the nuclear material out of there.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, can they move that stuff, though?

[Trev]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, well, I doubt we would have told them then. That doesn't seem to make any sense. Unless it was just.

[Trev]

I just heard that they did.

[Dave]

I don't know. Oh, yeah, Huh.

[Trev]

I mean, they got to be able to move it eventually, right? Because you got to be able to put payloads in bombs, so you can't keep it under a mountain.

[Adam Thorne]

That's true. That's a good point. But I guess if they're still like, you know, isn't it a big process of like, however they reach it? Yeah, the enrichment thing, which is like.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Isn't it some weird process, like spinning it? Like, it's a. It takes a long time to kind of, like, process all that. And I don't think you can remove it very easily if you're still in the process of making it. So that was the idea. Right. It's like they're six Weeks away, or they're however many weeks away from potentially being able to move it.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And yeah, I'm speaking out of my ass. I don't know how that shit works. But anyway, we bombed the fuck out of them. I'm glad we didn't blow up a bunch of buildings, though, with a bunch of kids in. That makes me happy. And yes, I do have to say, we're not Russia.

[Trev]

That's good.

[Adam Thorne]

Seems a little bit hypocritical that Trump was like, I'm no war. But that seemed like a bit ish war. Like, however, however, let's take a step back a bit.

[Trev]

A bit ish.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's give it, let's give it a year or two years and then be like, all right, is it worse there? Is there more destruction or is there a bit of calm? Like, there could be a win there too.

[Trev]

So give them some time now. We're going to give them, just give him a little bit of a break and, you know, if he has to throw, drop a couple more, I don't like it.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm saying right now, bad, naughty, naughty, sir.

[Dave]

Bad boy.

[Trev]

However, don't know what the fuck you're doing.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's see. You don't know what the fuck you're doing. I, I, you know, I'm just, I'm willing to watch it and see, like, okay, what do we get from this? You know, if ultimately it's just bad as well, which maybe it is, probably is, then yeah, it's fucked up.

[Trev]

I did. Iran is a bad actor. They're not like, like, folks, I, I'm, I'm not 100% opposed to what he did. I'm not, I didn't vote for Trump for that reason.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, of course.

[Trev]

I didn't vote for him, of course.

[Adam Thorne]

But, yeah, I'm not. Iran is opposed to it, dude. In the 70s, it was like a pretty progressive place. They playing a bunch of videos of, like, what it was like people on the beaches, the women in dresses, and I mean, that government needs to be flipped out.

[Trev]

Like art. Like, the Western governments were pumping a bunch of money into it in the 70s. They were modernizing the city, like AT&T was set up there, and they were like, modernizing all their communications infrastructure. And then the revolution happened and, you know, it turned into the country it is today. But the, the, where those, those facilities that they, that they have, they belong to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. They direct sponsors of terror all across, all across the world. So.

[Dave]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, they just got blasted.

[Trev]

They got, they got hammered dude, we.

[Adam Thorne]

Sent over like, the whole operation sounded so like, imagine being on a high level Hollywood badass, though. Let's be fair. We're just talking like America. Fuck yeah. For a second it was cooler than the Top Gun movie, which, by the way, that new movie was absolutely.

[Trev]

It was dope.

[Adam Thorne]

Well done. Yeah, well done, Tom Cruise, well done. But yeah, they had six bombers. They had two going in the other direction just to throw them off. We had subs in place. We had Tomahawk missiles fired from the subs blasting everything. We had those bunker busting bombs that can go through 200 meters of reinforced concrete. It doesn't make any sense to my brain. And we fired two of them, one first to get in there and then there's another one to follow it up.

[Trev]

It was right out of Maverick.

[Adam Thorne]

And none of them, none of these countries knew we were coming.

[Dave]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

That must have scared the shit out of everybody. Putin must be like, wait, what? They just did what? Did anyone pick this up? No one did. No one picked this up. Like, we just showed the world in one swoop that America is. It means business, dude. We could literally just fly in there and do that anywhere. No one can see our fucking planes, dude. It's crazy.

[Trev]

Yeah, I think that there's like, if you have. I think there's probably ways now.

[Dave]

I don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

You don't know? You don't know? Dude, that's stealth. That's American stealth.

[Trev]

Yeah, but it's, it's stealth technology from like the 1960s.

[Adam Thorne]

Maybe we made it better.

[Trev]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I'm sure we have.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm sure we're updating some stuff.

[Dave]

It.

[Adam Thorne]

It is kind of wild that we've had those stealth bombers since like the late 70s, right? Something like that.

[Trev]

I mean, that's when, like the public found out about it.

[Adam Thorne]

Was it. What were they made so. Well, we just basically haven't needed to change at least how they look. It's like, oh, they nailed it. And then there's no. For like 50 years, I think they've.

[Trev]

Had different prototypes that they've tried to design. And like I said, they.

[Dave]

What?

[Trev]

What we know about is they might have used something completely altogether different.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, so like even the stealth bomber story could have been bullshit. It might have been a UFO type crap.

[Trev]

No, no, I'm saying it could have been another type of technology that we just didn't want to divulge. And so we're gonna rely on our trusted B2 bomber.

[Adam Thorne]

Ooh, that's clever.

[Trev]

The government does that all the time.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

A bit of misdirection. I like it. Well, there you go, you sneaky, sneaky government doing it again.

[Trev]

Either way, it was cool. It was cool.

[Adam Thorne]

It was. It was pretty sick. They're gonna make a really cool movie out of that one day.

[Trev]

You mentioned being the pilots on that, dude.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, my God. They just erect enemy territory. Just a wreck the whole time. 36 hour flight, just fucking playing Team America on repeat.

[Trev]

Right, right. Just getting themselves pumped up.

[Adam Thorne]

CCR in between.

[Trev]

Just.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Fortunate Son, baby.

[Dave]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Do you know that some of the Blackhawk helicopters have a button that just plays Fortunate Son? It's a button. Yeah, you just push it and it plays that song.

[Trev]

It's, you know, it's, it's. It's funny that it gets used that way because it's not really.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like an anti war song, right?

[Trev]

Yeah, yeah, it's a. It's an award that was against the Vietnam War or a song against the Vietnam War.

[Adam Thorne]

But it's approach the most iconic Vietnam movie song ever. It's like perfect. Yeah, there's some irony in that. Anyway, check out the Bernie pod. Really interesting. I, you know, Bernie's just. He's an interesting character. I think he gets a lot of shit for his ideas. People just hit him with like, socialism, so he must suck. I think he raises some good points. I think. I'm glad that he's in the dialogue. I'm glad that he stays in, that he doesn't fall for a lot of the pressures. And whether you agree with him or not, I think that the way that he communicates and the respect that he has from other politicians, you know, it speaks a lot to just him as a person. And Joe has a lot of respect for him. That's undeniable. I think. Hopefully we get him on again. I mean, he's pretty old, so we'll see how long he can stick around. But yeah, I'd like another Bernie update.

[Dave]

And. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Anyway, thanks everyone for listening. Trevor, as always, thanks for joining. I enjoyed it and we will speak to you guys next time.

[Trev]

Take it easy.

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