457 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Lukas Nelson - Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast

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Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast: Episode 457 – Review of Lukas Nelson
Release Date: July 21, 2025
Hosts: Adam Thorne and Mikey

Introduction

In Episode 457 of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast, host Adam Thorne and his co-host Mikey delve into their analysis of the Joe Rogan Experience episode featuring musician Lukas Nelson. The discussion spans Lukas's musical journey, personal philosophies, and broader societal topics that surfaced during the interview.

Background on Lukas Nelson

Adam Thorne begins by expressing his initial unfamiliarity with Lukas Nelson:
"Lucas Nelson, dude, I didn't even know about this guy at all." (00:56)

Mikey shares his limited prior knowledge:
"I only knew because my dad's talked about him before, like Willie Nelson's son. That's all I knew." (01:23)

They both acknowledge Lukas’s musical talent and his connection to his father, Willie Nelson, a legendary figure in American music.

Lukas Nelson’s Philosophy and Musical Approach

Mikey highlights Lukas’s holistic understanding of his place in the world:
"He has a very, like, holistic grasp of the world and his spot in it." (01:46)

Adam notes the deep philosophical elements Lukas brings to his music, comparing musicians to poets:
"What is the core of a lot of poetry? It's really philosophy." (02:30)

The hosts discuss how Lukas integrates personal philosophy into his artistry, making his music both emotionally resonant and intellectually engaging.

Sobriety and Spiritual Journey

A significant portion of the conversation centers on Lukas’s decision to quit alcohol and weed during the pandemic:
"He basically quit weed and alcohol during the pandemic." (07:02)

Mikey remarks on the positive changes this brought:
"And it was good for him." (07:37)

They explore how this shift has been pivotal in Lukas’s personal growth and artistic development, emphasizing the importance of mental clarity and self-exploration.

Media Bias and Current Events

The hosts transition to discussing the current state of media, highlighting the challenges faced by younger generations in discerning truth:
"There's a lot of bias and propaganda and no story is just the way it is." (23:51)

Mikey adds his perspective on the overwhelming nature of social media and the conflicting narratives presented:
"There's a competing sides that are now at ends with each other and so they just spread whatever they can." (21:32)

They lament the difficulty in finding unbiased information and the impact it has on the listeners' ability to stay informed.

Vaping Among Youth

A notable segment addresses the rise of vaping in high schools and its health implications:
"It's nasty. And people are just doing it all the time in the hallways, in class." (10:27)

Adam draws parallels to the smoking culture of the 80s and 90s:
"Or like at work, people just took smoke breaks." (11:14)

They discuss the addictive nature of vaping and its stealthy integration into daily routines, contrasting it with the more immediately noticeable effects of alcohol consumption.

Artificial Intelligence and UFOs

The conversation shifts to broader, more speculative topics as they touch upon AI and unidentified flying objects (UFOs):
"They must exist. There's a billion planets, you know, too many." (35:07)

Mikey contemplates the possibility of non-carbon-based life forms and their potential interactions with humans:
"There could be life forms based on like other stuff... You could literally, they could be built in such a way that we can't even see them." (37:03)

Adam discusses the challenges in identifying such entities:
"If they're built of like nitrogen and oxygen, to us, they're just air." (37:55)

The hosts express fascination with the unknown while maintaining a skeptical stance on sensational claims.

Media Manipulation and Social Media Influence

Mikey recounts an experience with a misleading social media post:
"The music was trying so hard to make me feel scared that it's definitely just not real." (26:15)

They analyze how media often manipulates emotions to convey messages, making it difficult for individuals to discern factual information from fear-mongering tactics.

Conclusion and Insights

Wrapping up the episode, Adam emphasizes the importance of genuine reflection and authenticity, both in Lukas Nelson’s approach and in navigating today’s complex media landscape:
"He really related it to what he was doing, what his journey was about." (20:22)

Mikey and Adam encourage listeners to seek honest and unbiased sources of information, advocating for personal growth and critical thinking in an era overwhelmed by conflicting narratives.

Notable Quotes

"He can sound the same." — Mikey on Lukas Nelson's vocal resemblance to Willie Nelson (01:31)
"He's like reading his book before he goes on the field." — Mikey describing A.J. Brown's pre-game routine (15:33)
"It's fun to ponder." — Adam on the possibility of alien life (39:38)

Final Thoughts

Adam Thorne and Mikey provide a comprehensive and thoughtful review of the Lukas Nelson episode, intertwining discussions on music, personal development, and societal issues. Their analysis offers valuable insights for both fans of Joe Rogan’s podcast and newcomers seeking an in-depth understanding of the topics covered.

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[00:00]
Chris Gethard
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[00:31]
Adam Thorne
To the Joe Rogan Experience Review.
[00:33]
Mikey
What a bizarre thing we've created now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast.
[00:39]
Adam Thorne
Or the best one. One go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys. And welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we are reviewing Lucas Nelson, and joining me today is Mikey. What's up, Mikey?
[00:57]
Mikey
What up?
[00:58]
Adam Thorne
What up? Mikey's been podcasting in this studio for many years, and this is the first Rogan that you've been on. I can't believe it.
[01:05]
Mikey
Yeah.
[01:06]
Adam Thorne
How have you not done more of these?
[01:07]
Mikey
I don't know, because I was, like, little.
[01:10]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Maybe.
[01:10]
Mikey
And probably didn't. Wasn't ready to listen to Rogan.
[01:13]
Adam Thorne
That's reasonable. Bit older now. You could do it.
[01:16]
Mikey
Yeah.
[01:17]
Adam Thorne
Anyway, Lucas Nelson, dude, I didn't even know about this guy at all.
[01:22]
Mikey
Really.
[01:22]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[01:23]
Mikey
I only knew because my dad's, like, talked about him before, like Willie Nelson's son. That's all I knew.
[01:28]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[01:28]
Mikey
But then I listened to one of his songs. Do you know Willie Nelson much?
[01:31]
Adam Thorne
Yes.
[01:32]
Mikey
Yeah. Like, it sounds the exact same. He definitely does if he tries to.
[01:36]
Adam Thorne
Huh.
[01:37]
Mikey
He can sound the same.
[01:38]
Adam Thorne
He's. Willie Nelson is a legend, obviously.
[01:41]
Mikey
Yeah.
[01:41]
Adam Thorne
And, yeah, his son is super talented. I've been listening to quite a bit of his music.
[01:46]
Mikey
Yeah.
[01:47]
Adam Thorne
Interesting guy. What. What was your kind of overall impression of him?
[01:53]
Mikey
He's very, like. What do you call it? Like, he has a very, like, holistic grasp of the world and, like, his spot in it, you know?
[02:02]
Adam Thorne
Sure.
[02:03]
Mikey
And I don't know, I think that was most podcast was him talking about, like, how, like, he fits.
[02:09]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[02:09]
Mikey
In his spot. And how he, like, makes a difference. And then, like, when he dies, like, how he'll know that he, like, lived a life worth living.
[02:16]
Adam Thorne
Right. Yeah.
[02:17]
Mikey
Interesting.
[02:18]
Adam Thorne
It's quite a lot of philosophy with this guy, which was. Which was really interesting. And, you know, it kind of plays in to being a musician. Right. I mean, are they much different than, like, a poet often?
[02:31]
Mikey
Yeah.
[02:31]
Adam Thorne
And it's like, what is the core of a lot of poetry. It's really philosophy.
[02:36]
Mikey
Yeah.
[02:36]
Adam Thorne
To some degree.
[02:37]
Mikey
Like emotion.
[02:38]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Or just clear observation of, like, what the heck is going on.
[02:42]
Mikey
Yeah, yeah. I think him specifically to, like, when you talk about music and you talk about, like. Like thoughts about the world and whatever, obviously it's not like, I feel like rap music, pop music, you know, there's genres that are not as, you know, like in tune with the world.
[02:59]
Adam Thorne
Sure. You mean when, like, Katy Perry wants to sound like a philosopher, people find it quite difficult to listen to. Yeah, yeah.
[03:07]
Mikey
Because that's not what it's. That's not what she's supposed to be. No, she's supposed to be when you're like 3am driving home and you need a pick me up or you're going.
[03:12]
Adam Thorne
To fall asleep, I'm like, I'm supposed to listen to the I kiss the girl and I like it lady.
[03:17]
Mikey
Right.
[03:18]
Adam Thorne
Like, easy.
[03:18]
Mikey
Tell me how to live my life.
[03:20]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[03:20]
Mikey
Yeah.
[03:21]
Adam Thorne
We should all live in harmony.
[03:22]
Mikey
Yeah. But if he.
[03:25]
Adam Thorne
Sounded legit.
[03:26]
Mikey
Yeah. He knew how to do it and it was good.
[03:27]
Adam Thorne
It sounded legit for sure. And it is interesting, too. I mean, if you're Willie Nelson's son, obviously a ton of advantages. You know, you growing up with a lot of money. Pretty easy to just become one of those rich kid douchebags.
[03:42]
Mikey
Yeah.
[03:42]
Adam Thorne
That really isn't doing much anything. But there was like a narrative in here that was about what can I do to where I don't need anything from my parents. I build my own thing. Obviously, he took advantage of the connections and other things that it had. But yeah, he really sounded like he wanted to build something himself and not even so much from a place of just trying to, like, fill his father's shoes type of thing. Like, he understands, like, the great man that Willie is and like.
[04:15]
Mikey
Yeah.
[04:16]
Adam Thorne
How. How big he is or has been in American culture, But he just wants to kind of carve his own path.
[04:25]
Mikey
Right.
[04:25]
Adam Thorne
Which is admirable.
[04:27]
Mikey
That was part of it. That was like something that he like, literally said. Rogan said something about. He started talking about how, like, athletes, like, it must be hard for athletes of. Or like kids of athletes to grow up and play the same sports and be whatever. And then the Lucas Nelson, like, he, like, took a time out and he was like. He's like. To me, like, that's not the point is not to achieve what he achieved. It's just to, like, look back and feel like I did good with what I had.
[04:53]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[04:53]
Mikey
You know, like, you took a detour away from like reaching like surpassing dad type thing.
[04:59]
Adam Thorne
Sure.
[04:59]
Mikey
And he's like that's not what it is about for me.
[05:03]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Because that is a slippery slope to be in.
[05:05]
Mikey
Yeah.
[05:06]
Adam Thorne
You know, to get into if you have a very successful father, especially ones that put a lot of pressure on you to also perform. It's like often those men are stuck in a cycle of like I'll never be good enough energy and it's not good for your self esteem and just even your ability to carve your own path.
[05:27]
Mikey
Yeah.
[05:28]
Adam Thorne
You know and it sounds like his dad probably played a role like hey just be your best at this or just do what you enjoy. It's. And kind of took that pressure off.
[05:38]
Mikey
Which it's cool that he. What did it say how he was. He was born and his dad was like. Like 60.
[05:46]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Like 55.
[05:47]
Mikey
Like that is cool. I think that probably played a big part in that too because like that is so different than most like rock star kids. You know, where their parents going through like crazy partying stage as they're trying to raise you and then you're like man, like I don't even, I don't even get interaction with my father.
[06:05]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[06:05]
Mikey
How am I supposed to know what I'm supposed to be?
[06:07]
Adam Thorne
Right.
[06:07]
Mikey
Whereas his dad was like past his peak and is now just like calm and like it's okay. You do you.
[06:14]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Mature. Yeah. I'm sure the 20 year old version of Willie Nelson would have still been a ton of fun.
[06:20]
Mikey
Right.
[06:20]
Adam Thorne
But.
[06:21]
Mikey
But probably not as good of a dad.
[06:22]
Adam Thorne
Maybe not.
[06:23]
Mikey
Yeah.
[06:23]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[06:24]
Mikey
I thought that was cool because I was like how many kids of celebrities does that really happen to?
[06:29]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[06:29]
Mikey
Especially celebrities like Willie Nelson who are like known for you know, having a good time.
[06:35]
Adam Thorne
And I wonder how old his mom was. I bet she was just like a smoking hot. Much younger probably Willie's just crushing like a 30 year old model. Probably hippie model. Yeah. Was an interesting kind of little process that he talked through and it sounds like sobriety and kind of a, you know, would you say like spiritual journey has happened to him too? I think that's where a lot of his wisdom has come from.
[07:02]
Mikey
Yeah.
[07:03]
Adam Thorne
And you know, he basically quit weed and alcohol during the pandemic which Joe made the joke about. Oh really? That's where most people started.
[07:12]
Mikey
Yeah.
[07:13]
Adam Thorne
Which true. I think, I think plenty of people did. But leaning into just. Well he said occasionally does mushrooms and you know as an older person that is trying to find their path. So as you don't have any previous psychological Issues or tons of depression. There can be some advantages to leaning into those things.
[07:36]
Mikey
Yeah.
[07:37]
Adam Thorne
And yeah, ultimately alcohol, it has a place for some people, but for most of the time, it's wasting your time and it's going to throw you off what you're trying to do. If you really trying to explore, like, who am I, where am I going? You know, what's my path? And weeds kind of the same. Just makes you lazy as you drink.
[08:01]
Mikey
A non alcoholic beer.
[08:04]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, dude. Non alcoholic.
[08:05]
Mikey
See, this is responsible how you know you're on the right path.
[08:08]
Adam Thorne
I'm on the right path. I'm just wasting money.
[08:11]
Mikey
They're like four bucks each flavored water. I did think it was. I did think the mushroom stuff was interesting because I noticed the. The last episode, like, literally the one right before this Rogan did, was with like a mushroom. And like, I could totally tell that, like, he like, wanted to talk about it because, yeah, it. Nelson would be talking about like, overall spirituality. And then Rogan was like, and what about mushrooms? Because those things are good, you know.
[08:37]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[08:37]
Mikey
And it was just like, it's.
[08:39]
Adam Thorne
It's often a thing with Rogan podcasts. It's like, because he's just having a conversation.
[08:45]
Mikey
Yeah.
[08:46]
Adam Thorne
He's going to bring up or relate things to the discussion that he was recently thinking about and talking about. So often these episodes kind of do roll into each other a little bit funny. Which I think is great.
[08:59]
Mikey
Yeah.
[08:59]
Adam Thorne
It's like, that's a very natural way of talking.
[09:02]
Mikey
Yeah.
[09:02]
Adam Thorne
It's just so many people are listening to him. It. You just notice it a lot more. But I bet we all kind of do that, you know.
[09:09]
Mikey
Definitely. Definitely.
[09:11]
Adam Thorne
Like half of my main conversations from yesterday with friends are probably gonna spill into stuff today. Be like, have you thought about that? Yeah, it wasn't my idea at all. But yeah, Rogan. Rogan often does that thing.
[09:23]
Mikey
That's cool.
[09:25]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. And I also think that, I mean, we were talking a little bit before the podcast just about how there is a bit more of a trend for younger people to kind of move away from alcohol and weed. I don't know what they're going into. It seems like vaping is like, yeah.
[09:41]
Mikey
That'S big in high school.
[09:42]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. That seems. It seems like it has its own problems.
[09:45]
Mikey
But definitely, I think it's probably, definitely worse, you know.
[09:48]
Adam Thorne
Well, for your lungs.
[09:49]
Mikey
Yeah. Yeah.
[09:50]
Adam Thorne
But at least you can drive home without getting a dui.
[09:53]
Mikey
True.
[09:53]
Adam Thorne
You're less likely to get in a fight because you'd be tired because of all the vaping.
[09:57]
Mikey
Yeah. I think the problem is it's just like. It's like with vaping especially, that I've noticed is, like. Because there's not a lot of, like, I've seen it. There's not a lot of side effects and stuff. Right. Whereas, like, if you drink, you get drunk. So it's like.
[10:17]
Adam Thorne
And a hungover.
[10:18]
Mikey
Yeah.
[10:18]
Adam Thorne
The obvious thing, there's not immediate side effects.
[10:21]
Mikey
Right. So people just do it all. Like, in school, people are just doing. It's nasty. And people are just doing it, like, all the time. Like in the hallways, in class.
[10:28]
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[10:58]
Mikey
Like you. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't drink that much in school because they'd be drunk. So it's like. Because vaping has no side effect or, like, bad part about it in the moment, besides the fact that causes cancer, like, 20 years later, then people just do it so much more and it just gets to the point where it's like, what are we doing?
[11:14]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, well, it used to be, like, in the 80s and early 90s, it was like that with cigarettes.
[11:19]
Mikey
Really?
[11:19]
Adam Thorne
People would just smoke all the time. Or like at work, people just took smoke breaks. Yeah, it was like part of your day. Yeah, Just go out, do that, get back to work. It's like, people couldn't take shot breaks at work.
[11:33]
Mikey
That'd be sick.
[11:34]
Adam Thorne
By the end of the day, you're like, I'm eight. Eight shots in. I'm not doing any of this work. I hate my boss.
[11:40]
Mikey
Yeah.
[11:40]
Adam Thorne
Who would. It would spiral out of control real fast.
[11:43]
Mikey
Yeah.
[11:44]
Adam Thorne
So kids can't. Surely can't take vapes to school.
[11:47]
Mikey
No, you can.
[11:49]
Adam Thorne
You can. They let you people.
[11:50]
Mikey
Well, I mean, we don't have, like. We don't have, like, security guards and stuff at our schools.
[11:56]
Adam Thorne
Oh, so it's something.
[11:57]
Mikey
Yeah. Well, you just put in your backpack. But they look like. Some of them just look like a. Like a actual writing pen or like just a little like charger charging port. Like you know, a white box.
[12:07]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah.
[12:07]
Mikey
Look like that.
[12:08]
Adam Thorne
A kid's like sneaking in class too.
[12:10]
Mikey
Yes.
[12:10]
Adam Thorne
They're probably so addict class.
[12:12]
Mikey
You just like turn. I can just see like kids like turn their back and then you just like see like a faint little something. Something. You smell. You like smell fruit.
[12:21]
Adam Thorne
What is that? Strawberries.
[12:23]
Mikey
Crazy how often it happens. It's really weir.
[12:26]
Adam Thorne
Ridiculous. Yeah, well, kids need something to do. He was leaning into some of the classic books like Eckhart Tolle, the Power of Now. Getting into like Buddhist stuff, like kind of reading through all that. Have you explored any of those kind of self help books? I mean you're young kid.
[12:46]
Mikey
Yeah, I don't know about. I didn't know about any of that.
[12:48]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[12:48]
Mikey
Sound interesting though.
[12:49]
Adam Thorne
Paranal is an interesting book. Again, very kind of philosophical. It's all about like really working on not thinking about the future constantly or the past. Like often the past is full of regrets and shame and the future can also just be like this over planning kind of panic of where you're going. And it's like, hey, just focus on what you're doing in that moment.
[13:13]
Mikey
Yeah.
[13:13]
Adam Thorne
And it's an interesting kind of philosophy. I read it when I was maybe like 23 or 24, fairly young and it didn't really stick with me that well. I found it interesting. But I think, I think where I was developmentally, it just wasn't for me then. I probably should go back and take a look at it now. It's kind of like that with some of those books though. It's like where are you currently? You know, what are you thinking about, what's going on in your world? Because you can fly through a book and then you're like, I don't know what I really got out of that at all.
[13:50]
Mikey
Yeah. But it sounded like interesting. I've read books like that. I feel like, like sports centered books but that are a lot about like being in the moment, you know, not because you can't like, don't worry about what. You can't control that stuff. Don't worry about like. I mean it is a lot about like don't worry about the past and the mistakes you did make and, and don't overanalyze and be anxious for the future and just like do what you do. Trust yourself or whatever.
[14:18]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah.
[14:18]
Mikey
So I've read books like that and.
[14:19]
Adam Thorne
They are cool I mean, for a high level athlete and, you know, I'm sure for really anyone very successful that has like a performance element like he does with music, it's like getting your head in the game. Having that gear to switch into, like, the sports psychology element is a huge part of it, I'm sure.
[14:41]
Mikey
Right.
[14:41]
Adam Thorne
Like, I would see it a little bit even in jiu jitsu, because we would get guys that would just kill us on the mats, like, all the time. They could just beat everybody. They were just so good. And then they choked every time they went to tournaments. And then in reverse, we would have guys that were just kind of lazy on the mats. They would show up, but, you know, you knew they were pretty good. But they were often quite lazy and would fuck around and then they would get to a tournament and just dominate. Like, they just had that, like, performance element.
[15:12]
Mikey
The switch on. Yeah, yeah.
[15:14]
Adam Thorne
And so it kind of highlights. It's not just his clear cut is like, train a lot. You'll be great.
[15:20]
Mikey
Yeah.
[15:20]
Adam Thorne
It's like, obviously that. But you've got to be able to put yourself in that place. Like, high pressure moments. Not everyone can do it.
[15:28]
Mikey
Right.
[15:28]
Adam Thorne
Mentally. Yeah. It's hard to prepare yourself.
[15:31]
Mikey
Do you know who A.J. brown is? Football player.
[15:34]
Adam Thorne
Okay.
[15:34]
Mikey
For the Eagles. There's, like a really good receiver, but he, like, reads this, like, mind book on the sideline every time like, before he goes in. And you just like see him sitting on the end of the bench reading a book.
[15:44]
Adam Thorne
Nice.
[15:45]
Mikey
And like, most dudes are either, like, looking at film on, like, the tablet things or just like bullshitting with their friends, you know, but he's just like, reading.
[15:53]
Adam Thorne
It's probably what works for him.
[15:54]
Mikey
And he's like one of the best receivers in the NFL. And he's this like, huge, like, very physically, you know, Know, he. He does. He's pretty fast, but he, like, plays aggressively and physically.
[16:03]
Adam Thorne
Huh.
[16:03]
Mikey
And then he sits there and he's just like, real peaceful.
[16:07]
Adam Thorne
Reading his book.
[16:08]
Mikey
Yeah.
[16:08]
Adam Thorne
Or getting sentenced.
[16:09]
Mikey
He has a little daughter and he like, brings her to practice and he's just like, sits like crisscross applesauce with her in the yard. He just like sits there as she, like, runs around. He just, like, looks around.
[16:19]
Adam Thorne
Nice.
[16:19]
Mikey
He is such a. Yeah. Mentally just like. Yeah. You know, and then he reads his book and all of a sudden he goes on the field and he just looks blaze dudes out. And it's like something about that book. I don't know, I kind of wonder.
[16:30]
Adam Thorne
Is he ever been interviewed and talked about what it is about that book that helps him, surely.
[16:35]
Mikey
Probably. Yeah. It went, like, viral last year because they're like, what is he reading? And I think it is just like a mindful, like, center yourself, forget about the outside stuff and just go do what you do, you know?
[16:47]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Well, a lot of it is that, like, ego struggle. And they talked about it on the show a little bit. Some kind of, like, little bits of mental health and, like, what the ego struggle is like. Everyone has an ego.
[16:59]
Mikey
Yeah.
[16:59]
Adam Thorne
You know, you need it. It protects you. There's a reason it exists and we've named it. But also it can get out of control.
[17:06]
Mikey
Yeah.
[17:06]
Adam Thorne
You can get way ahead of yourself, start believing in something that is just not true. And then all of a sudden, if it doesn't line up with reality, and also if you just, like, constantly talking about yourself, I mean, it's the most annoying thing that you hear from people.
[17:22]
Mikey
Yeah.
[17:23]
Adam Thorne
You're like, please shut up. No one cares. You're not that good. Relax. And kind of putting that in perspective. I think it has a lot of advantages. One, people don't think you're as much of a douchebag, for sure. Two, it also keeps you more honest with your capabilities because if you think or keep thinking you can do things that realistically you can't, you're going to put yourself in a bad spot pretty quickly.
[17:48]
Mikey
Yeah.
[17:49]
Adam Thorne
You know?
[17:49]
Mikey
Yeah.
[17:50]
Adam Thorne
And that kind of runs over and over. You got to be careful. That for sure. It's a tough thing to reflect on, though. It really is. Sometimes it takes some of your friends just kind of, you know, knocking you down a peg or two to be like, oh, yeah, I was getting a bit ahead of myself.
[18:07]
Mikey
Right, right.
[18:10]
Adam Thorne
But, you know, that's often what you don't get when you're very famous. You just get yes men around.
[18:16]
Mikey
Yeah.
[18:17]
Adam Thorne
You get people that keep pumping you up.
[18:19]
Mikey
Yeah.
[18:19]
Adam Thorne
And then you get. You become real strange.
[18:21]
Mikey
Yeah. And then it's, like, up to you to, like, do what he was doing. He, like, take. Yeah. I have to reflect and be like, okay, I'm actually a normal dude, just trying to live my life. Or you get what you're saying where you, like, don't check yourself and then you're not. So.
[18:37]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. And I. He didn't really discuss that, and he didn't really need to. But I guarantee part of this journey is he either became a bit of a douchebag for a while, and, you know, there's some catalyst that had him take the moment and be like, I really need to reflect on who I am. I mean, maybe he just chose to do it. Maybe he was just that kind of wise and surrounded by deep thinkers, and he was just like, oh, I think now's the time. I want to be really good at this, though. In my experience, when people do that, it's usually because they've done a couple of years of just being a bit of a.
[19:14]
Mikey
That's what it sounded like to me, was that he was. He had something that happened and then he didn't need to say it. Like, he didn't need to say, oh, I was like this. And now I realize I'm just a guy.
[19:24]
Adam Thorne
Right.
[19:24]
Mikey
You could just hear it in his tone that he was just like, this is me.
[19:27]
Adam Thorne
And he's like, I got really drunk and crashed into a tree. And I was like, I need to. I need to figure out.
[19:33]
Mikey
But, you know, it. You know, it happened.
[19:35]
Adam Thorne
There was something in there. It definitely was. Yeah. Often when people come on Rogan, there is a bit of. I don't want to say, like, performance element, but people want to really lay down something that either makes them seem quite deep or just be more than what they were brought on for. Like, if you're brought on because you're like the new influencer or you're some sort of scientist or whatever it is, in his case, a musician. And then they come on, but they also have this, like, deep philosophy. Sometimes it doesn't sound very genuine.
[20:11]
Mikey
Yeah.
[20:12]
Adam Thorne
It's like they're trying a little hard to sound a bit too smart or whatever. All of his stuff was quite smooth.
[20:18]
Mikey
Yeah.
[20:19]
Adam Thorne
It was like he really related it to what he was doing, what his journey was about.
[20:23]
Mikey
Yeah.
[20:23]
Adam Thorne
And tied it back to the intro that Rogan gave, which was he was playing at McConaughey's charity thing, which. Fair play to McConaughey. That sounds dope. And he crushed it. And he's like, that good.
[20:39]
Mikey
Yeah.
[20:39]
Adam Thorne
And Rogan was surprised. I didn't know you were that good. Like, awesome. And he's like, well, how I got there is these are the stages. And it's worked for me. You know, it talked a bit about. And I. A lot of people are talking about this right now. Just kind of like the state of media right at the moment.
[21:00]
Mikey
Right.
[21:00]
Adam Thorne
Kind of like the biases, the bullshit. Like, I guess, you know, you're a younger guy, you just finished high school. It's like you're probably not paying too much attention to the news most of the time, but you're hearing things like, what. What are your thoughts? And like guys your age, thoughts on what is going on with media, what to believe, what to listen to.
[21:25]
Mikey
I think, I think it's very. Well, like social media has become a huge thing.
[21:29]
Adam Thorne
Right.
[21:29]
Mikey
That it's like I can't not watch the news because it's just always there.
[21:33]
Adam Thorne
Sure.
[21:33]
Mikey
You know, And I think most of us are like in a spot where we can look at it and be like, okay, like there's like 90% of the stuff you see is definitely not real just because everything you see contradicts itself. So it's like, okay, so something's got to be fake, you know.
[21:49]
Adam Thorne
Right.
[21:50]
Mikey
But I don't, I mean, I don't really know. I just know that there's like the two or, you know, there's a competing sides that are now at ends with each other and so they just spread whatever they can and turn whatever narrative they can onto its head to like make it seem worse than it is. But it's, it's very, I don't know, it's difficult especially for a young person to actually know. Sure. What is going on outside of just like what people say. Like, I feel like that's my only thing is like, like watching interviews of people say things is the only, you know, first person source that I can take, take from. So then I get my own ideas about like how people are and how whatever politics, whatever the news in general is. And it's just like, I don't know, I wish there was more of a unbiased analysis to what I could listen to and be like, okay, this is that, that's why he said it.
[22:44]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Because there's not, it's, it's tough to find it. It sounds like there's a lot of skepticism right now with. Which is different because when I was younger, obviously we didn't have social media. When I was your age, Maybe we had MySpace, but people weren't really using it for like a lot of news and stories. And you know, so we had cable news and it was usually you would just watch the side that your parents believed in, whether they were liberal or Republican. And whatever you hear, you're just going to go, oh, that's the news. So this must have happened.
[23:19]
Mikey
Yeah.
[23:20]
Adam Thorne
Whereas now we're just, it seems like because of how much more information we can have, how you can have the same story delivered in a different way from a completely different standpoint. You're like, wait a second, that's the same story.
[23:36]
Mikey
Right.
[23:36]
Adam Thorne
And it's saying the complete opposite thing. Trying to make me feel the Complete opposite thing.
[23:40]
Mikey
Yeah.
[23:41]
Adam Thorne
What's true?
[23:41]
Mikey
Yeah.
[23:42]
Adam Thorne
And I don't know where that leaves like this new generation to be. Like, how do we, how we show we're informed?
[23:52]
Mikey
Yeah.
[23:52]
Adam Thorne
It's just a lot of bias and propaganda and no story is just the way it is.
[24:01]
Mikey
Yeah. I think I'm like right in my. All my friends and my whole like circle is definitely like right at the, like the point where it's about to be like that. You know, right now we see the two sides and I think most of us are just like, huh? But then don't take anything because they don't have anything to take. Half my friends are like 17, show half are 18. So half of them didn't, you know, are not even like caring or voting or anything, you know.
[24:24]
Adam Thorne
Right.
[24:25]
Mikey
But like I feel like in a couple years or like if you ask like a 22 year old person, like then they would be like, I don't know. Because they are trying like actively putting an effort to figure out what's going on and I just have no idea.
[24:38]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, I think that's true.
[24:38]
Mikey
Yeah.
[24:39]
Adam Thorne
I mean, you know, I did notice in college people started to like just want to be. Because it's like you're in college so you're like informing yourself and becoming more of an adult. Feeling like more of an adult. And then you want to get a clearer picture of like what is happening everywhere. And that sometimes that's actually kind of like the peak of your like let's say political activism. That's why they have all those protests that call it like kids are getting excited about these points and jumping on board.
[25:10]
Mikey
Yeah.
[25:11]
Adam Thorne
And following their friends and just trying to figure out where they fit in.
[25:15]
Mikey
Yeah.
[25:16]
Adam Thorne
And there is a like real kind of utopian liberal energy that happens at universities for the most part. It's like, yeah, we can help everyone and we can do it all and we should have health care for everyone. And. Right. It's because you're a kid in college and you're broke. So that of course free health care is like, yes.
[25:37]
Mikey
Right.
[25:38]
Adam Thorne
You want a bunch of free stuff.
[25:39]
Mikey
Right.
[25:40]
Adam Thorne
And, and yeah, you jump on board and it's like how to know who to follow and when and what the real focus should be is difficult. Yeah, it's real difficult. I'm becoming more of a skeptic, honestly. With news of the news. Yeah. I'm just like, I don't know, maybe that's true.
[26:00]
Mikey
Yeah. Like maybe.
[26:02]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, I didn't see it. Which is a little bit ignorant because you do have to Outsource some of this stuff. I can't go to Iraq and do my own research. You know, I have to believe some of the stories I'm hearing.
[26:15]
Mikey
Yeah. But, yeah, you have to take something that happened to me today. I was looking at Instagram and there was like, this post, and I literally, maybe for like, the first time ever, saw, like. Like, my brain just, like, saw the ways in which they're trying to convince me of something. It was about, like, the Yellowstone, how there's, like, animals, you know, whatever. Right. And there's like, there's animals, like, migrating or something. And the post, just like the little details, like, it had, like that ominous music, you know? Yeah, yeah, it was like, oh, but, but, but it doesn't make sense with the numbers. And all the comments are like, oh, the super volcanoes are gonna blow up in two days. And I'm just like. Part of me was like, oh. Like, oh, no. But then I was like, now, like, the music, like, this post is trying so hard to make me feel scared that I. That it's definitely just not real.
[27:00]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[27:00]
Mikey
Because if it was real, they wouldn't be. They wouldn't put scary music over it. You know, they would just straight up go, two days. Oh, no.
[27:08]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, this is happening. You should leave.
[27:10]
Mikey
Yes.
[27:10]
Adam Thorne
It would be very straightforward, producing, like a miniature horror movie trailer.
[27:15]
Mikey
Yeah. Trying to get emotions. Like, if it was real, they wouldn't have to elicit emotions. You would just have them. So I was just like, huh. And then I made me think of, like, how many, like, shows and clips have I watched where that's happening? And I didn't notice. And I was like, oh, no, sure. Because they're totally, like, totally was. Because they don't just give it to you. You know them. They are doing it as a way to make you, like, Right. It's real. They wouldn't do that.
[27:40]
Adam Thorne
If you ever watch the. The trailers where they change the music. So it's literally like a horror movie trailer. But they put like, hilarious dad, like, nice, silly. It's not at all.
[27:52]
Mikey
Yeah.
[27:52]
Adam Thorne
It goes so much into how they position you to think about whatever you're watching.
[27:58]
Mikey
Right?
[27:59]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. That I saw the super volcano shit the other day and it was just showing one of those, you know, earthquake graphs, seismic deal. And it's like, oh, it's looking all crazy. It's going a while. It hasn't done this for a while. I'm like, I don't. What am I supposed to do with this?
[28:17]
Mikey
Literally, there is no. I can. You can do nothing if it blows up, I'm pretty sure like everyone in the whole world is dead. So like what's even the point?
[28:25]
Adam Thorne
It's pretty bad for a while.
[28:27]
Mikey
Yeah.
[28:27]
Adam Thorne
But it's 40,000 years over. It's somewhat due date though. Who knows how good we are at measuring that.
[28:35]
Mikey
Yeah.
[28:36]
Adam Thorne
So if it goes off every 400,000 years, it's 10%, I guess, over.
[28:41]
Mikey
I mean that is a lot. That's something kinda.
[28:44]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. But also 1% is a long time.
[28:48]
Mikey
Right, Right. And it's easy to be one, it's easy to be that far off if they're even predicting it right in the first place.
[28:55]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, we're just gonna talking about outsourcing things. You just have to hope that in the next like 30, 40 years we come up with really good systems for predicting it. Because right now we're just not that good at it.
[29:08]
Mikey
Right.
[29:08]
Adam Thorne
But hopefully someone like Elon put some money in that, you know, uses his satellites to just scan the area. I mean, it's going to be a bad day. We should probably keep an eye on that one.
[29:18]
Mikey
All right.
[29:19]
Adam Thorne
But we've also got a lot of problems, I think.
[29:21]
Mikey
Isn't it like the whole like us is like, like the whole like western US is just like a fireball and then the whole US is covered in ash and the rest of the world is like, goes under like an arctic freeze. Because the.
[29:31]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Supposedly it is like world changing if it, if it does like a full eruption. But there could be lots of versions of it. There could be smaller ones.
[29:40]
Mikey
Yeah.
[29:40]
Adam Thorne
I mean, but the full blowout is like Wyoming and Montana are destroyed, just like completely molten under, you know, 300 degree ash that just wrecks everything. And then the whole rest of North America is just under a blanket of cloud. Yeah, well, we're all breathing in definitely carcinogenic ash, which would be real bad.
[30:04]
Mikey
Yeah.
[30:05]
Adam Thorne
And I mean pretty much if the US comes to a standstill, the rest of the world's gonna be in real trouble real quick. So it's a bad day. But to add to that, it's also kind of a bullshit post because it's like a post that came out of nowhere and they're like, hey, have you thought about nuclear war recently? Let's get scared.
[30:25]
Mikey
Yeah. Why? Why does it try and do that to me? Why?
[30:29]
Adam Thorne
I don't know.
[30:29]
Mikey
How do they game?
[30:30]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, it's a Thursday.
[30:32]
Mikey
They're selling.
[30:32]
Adam Thorne
Don't freak us out.
[30:33]
Mikey
That's what happens. Do you have tick tock?
[30:35]
Adam Thorne
I don't.
[30:36]
Mikey
That's what happens on Tick Tock. It'll be a post because there's a thing called Tick Tock Shop where they, like, sell these, like, absolute just, like, gizmo things. They're so stupid.
[30:44]
Adam Thorne
Excellent.
[30:45]
Mikey
But it'll be a post and it'll definitely be like you're trying. Trying to get you to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then at the end, it cuts to this, like, random dude who's like, luckily I had my Bluetooth speaker that saved me from the wolves.
[30:56]
Adam Thorne
And it's just like, some weird connection.
[30:59]
Mikey
Yes. Like this literally piece of plastic that's like three bucks and yet save this man from a catastrophe that no one ever heard of.
[31:09]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. I saw one with this new mosquito gadget that was, like, supposed to be able to trap all the mosquitoes, but it starts with people just being overwhelmed by mosquitoes, of course.
[31:20]
Mikey
Right.
[31:20]
Adam Thorne
And then talking about all the diseases that come with it and the problems with that.
[31:26]
Mikey
Yeah.
[31:26]
Adam Thorne
And then they're like, all you need to do is get this. This scientist made this, and you just plug it in. I was like, that actually sounds great. And I don't live in a place where I'm riddled with mosquitoes, but I was like, let me just look at it. And I Googled it. And they were like, this piece of crap doesn't work at all. Does nothing. Just selling tons of them by scaring the hell out of you on a. Yeah, TikTok.
[31:47]
Mikey
There's like, a suburban mom in Pennsylvania who hears about those diseases in Africa and she's like, oh, my God. And buys like, 50 of them.
[31:53]
Adam Thorne
I need to protect my family for 1999.
[31:56]
Mikey
Screwed.
[31:57]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. She plugs it in, it doesn't work. Shorts out, burns her house down. She's like, shit, I was doing my best.
[32:03]
Mikey
And moves to Africa because she has no money in America. And then she gets bit by a mosquito and it's like. It was like it was meant to be.
[32:10]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Yeah. See, he talked a little bit about, like, some of his big musical influences. Obviously, like you were saying before the part or earlier, like, he sounds a lot like his dad or he can. He can sound just like him, which is awesome because his dad has a great sound. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's like, often you do kind of follow your idols. And what's wrong with that being your dad? Nothing.
[32:38]
Mikey
Right.
[32:38]
Adam Thorne
Like, he's not, like, ripping him off. He's writing his own stuff.
[32:41]
Mikey
Yeah.
[32:42]
Adam Thorne
But then also to have influences, like Jimi Hendrix, of course, legend Stevie Ray Vaughan. I mean, just Some of these kind of, you know, this broader view. And also imagine growing up like this and having the access to the musicians that he would have had.
[33:03]
Mikey
Yeah.
[33:03]
Adam Thorne
I mean, he can literally just be like, dad, can I get these guys number? And they're like, yeah, you can go hang out with them, jam with them. I mean, to learn in that way, it's like, what an incredible advantage.
[33:17]
Mikey
Yeah.
[33:17]
Adam Thorne
You know.
[33:18]
Mikey
Yeah.
[33:18]
Adam Thorne
Instead of just wasting your time, which he probably could have done.
[33:23]
Mikey
Yeah. I'm curious to know how it's like childhood went. He talked about a little bit, but not that much.
[33:28]
Adam Thorne
Well, the big thing was just how much his dad was gone when he was younger.
[33:32]
Mikey
Yeah.
[33:33]
Adam Thorne
And how hard that was. Because a little kid doesn't give a shit that you're the most famous musician in the country and you've got a tour all the time. He just wants to spend time with his dad.
[33:42]
Mikey
Right.
[33:42]
Adam Thorne
And it was, it was kind of a good story and, you know, it must have been age appropriate. You can't say that to like a 4 year old. They're still not gonna understand. But his mom basically said, hey, what your dad does for this family is, is huge. And it makes him sad when you're sad and he leaves. Like, it just gave him a different perspective to just kind of hold it together. But it also, you know, isn't like, oh, I'm sad and now I'm not allowed to express it. It was still his choice to not cry and not show that.
[34:14]
Mikey
But.
[34:15]
Adam Thorne
But then I think he started to kind of understand it and embrace that and, you know, actually feel more supportive of it.
[34:23]
Mikey
Right.
[34:23]
Adam Thorne
Instead of leaning in to the potential trauma of like, oh, my dad didn't care about me, he was never around. Often those things are a choice.
[34:32]
Mikey
Right.
[34:32]
Adam Thorne
You know?
[34:33]
Mikey
Yeah. That's cool.
[34:34]
Adam Thorne
It's. Yeah, I like that a lot. The last thing they kind of went over, which I thought was interesting because it's Rogan. So he has to go over AI UFOs.
[34:45]
Mikey
Yeah. I was thinking about that.
[34:46]
Adam Thorne
Bring up Elon Musk again and how he's going to fix the pollution filters and regenerative farming. It's like, what, what are your thoughts these days on. I mean, obviously the UFO stuff. It's been kind of wild last 10 years.
[35:04]
Mikey
Yeah. It's crazy.
[35:05]
Adam Thorne
Are you just like, they must exist. What's going on?
[35:07]
Mikey
Aliens or what?
[35:08]
Adam Thorne
Well, just those frickin flying.
[35:10]
Mikey
I don't know. I don't know if they're like. I don't know. I do think. I mean, aliens totally exist.
[35:15]
Adam Thorne
They Must they have to? Yeah.
[35:17]
Mikey
Billion billion planets, you know, too many or like billion, not billion. Like galaxies with trillions of planets in each one.
[35:24]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[35:25]
Mikey
There's got to be one.
[35:26]
Adam Thorne
We can't be the only one.
[35:27]
Mikey
Weather. They're like flying around ships outside our sort. Like, I don't know about.
[35:31]
Adam Thorne
That one's harder. But it is interesting that there's stuff. Fighter pilots talking about it.
[35:36]
Mikey
It is a little weird.
[35:37]
Adam Thorne
It's like, are they lying?
[35:38]
Mikey
Right.
[35:39]
Adam Thorne
Are they really fucking it up so bad that they're like, misinterpreting this thing? I mean, they're like the peak of. The peak of training.
[35:46]
Mikey
Yeah.
[35:47]
Adam Thorne
And they're designed to use all the sensors and radar and their vision just to kind of identify dangerous things they got to shoot down.
[35:57]
Mikey
Yeah.
[35:58]
Adam Thorne
You would think these would be the best people.
[36:00]
Mikey
Right. Well, was that the. Was that the tic tac part? Was that that. I was a little wondering about that. He was like, there's a tic tac. And it went from outer space to the bottom of the ocean in like a second.
[36:11]
Adam Thorne
Yep.
[36:11]
Mikey
And I was like, okay, that is interesting. But that could also just be like a glitch.
[36:17]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[36:17]
Mikey
Like a tick.
[36:17]
Adam Thorne
Like, you know, supposedly they have multiple different senses.
[36:22]
Mikey
Yes.
[36:22]
Adam Thorne
Reading it.
[36:23]
Mikey
Yeah. So just something. I don't know. I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. Really.
[36:27]
Adam Thorne
It's hard to make sense of it.
[36:28]
Mikey
But at the same time, I'm just like, who even. Who even knows?
[36:32]
Adam Thorne
Who knows?
[36:33]
Mikey
Nobody.
[36:34]
Adam Thorne
And if they're doing it, it's like, is it even a problem? I mean, it's interesting.
[36:39]
Mikey
Yeah.
[36:40]
Adam Thorne
But I don't think it's gonna wreck us.
[36:41]
Mikey
Yeah.
[36:41]
Adam Thorne
I honestly think we probably should care more about super volcanoes then. Then what aliens are doing.
[36:47]
Mikey
Right.
[36:47]
Adam Thorne
I mean, if they're here now, they've probably been flying around for a while.
[36:51]
Mikey
Yeah.
[36:51]
Adam Thorne
And, you know, they don't seem to be messing with us too bad.
[36:54]
Mikey
No. Unless all the bad stuff is just aliens all the time.
[36:58]
Adam Thorne
It's just them doing it.
[36:59]
Mikey
Yeah. Like, I dropped my glass of water earlier today and I. It was totally not me.
[37:03]
Adam Thorne
You like aliens?
[37:04]
Mikey
Yeah. Something grabbed my hand.
[37:05]
Adam Thorne
There we go.
[37:06]
Mikey
Well, something I was thinking about with aliens that actually crazy is like. Is like, we know, like life forms as, like carbon based, you know, we know what makes us us. We're built the same stuff. And then we, you know, you touch your arm and it's like, this is solid whatever, you know?
[37:22]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[37:22]
Mikey
And so people look out into space and they go, okay, well, organisms that we know, you Know, we and other organisms like us could only live on these three planets. Whatever, whatever, whatever. But there. Who is to say that there can't. That there's nothing. Life forms based on like other stuff.
[37:39]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah.
[37:40]
Mikey
Like, I don't know, some other random chemical. But you could literally, they could be built in such a way that we can't even see them. And like, sure, hypothetically, an alien could be sitting in this room. But because they're built of like nitrogen and oxygen, to us, they're just air.
[37:55]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[37:56]
Mikey
Or we can't even touch them.
[37:57]
Adam Thorne
Or they. Yeah. Live in literally. Literally a different dimension.
[38:02]
Mikey
Yeah. They live in like the bottom of the. Of like a rock. And we see the moon as a rock, but for all we know, there's the middle of the moon is this like haven for these animals that we don't even know are there and we'll never know because we're not even the same life form as them.
[38:16]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[38:16]
Mikey
It's crazy.
[38:17]
Adam Thorne
There's been a big discussion at NASA for a long time with the search for life because the way we do it is we're always looking for carbon based things, signs of oxygen or stuff that happens on this planet.
[38:30]
Mikey
Yeah.
[38:30]
Adam Thorne
But then we find creatures on this planet called like EXTREMO files or just like really unusual designed creatures that live in a totally different way. So it begs the question. Yeah. Could they be put together in such a way they could live on way colder planets or way hotter planets or just like you're saying, have a completely different.
[38:50]
Mikey
They don't even need oxygen. They don't even see. They get just like. The possibilities are endless the further out you go. And it's weird.
[38:58]
Adam Thorne
And I think we have to stay open to it because it might beg the question that how we look for them is how we find them if we're only ever looking for stuff like we would expect to find on this planet. We might be missing it all the time.
[39:14]
Mikey
Literally.
[39:14]
Adam Thorne
We might constantly be. They just like sat next to our astronauts on the moon and we have no idea. We're like, well, that's a rock. That's not a thing.
[39:23]
Mikey
Right.
[39:23]
Adam Thorne
And the rocks, like you're an idiot.
[39:25]
Mikey
Yeah. But they don't speak. That I move. They don't know.
[39:27]
Adam Thorne
Just chilling.
[39:28]
Mikey
But that'd be crazy.
[39:29]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[39:30]
Mikey
And I feel like when I talk about that stuff sometimes I'm like, okay, I sound dumb, but like that literally is, you know, it's a possibility.
[39:36]
Adam Thorne
It's fun to ponder.
[39:37]
Mikey
It's cool to think about.
[39:38]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
[39:38]
Mikey
I think it's Cool.
[39:39]
Adam Thorne
It's fun to ponder for sure.
[39:40]
Mikey
Yeah.
[39:41]
Adam Thorne
And you know, I just can't wait. I mean, Elon is gonna fly one of his rockets landed on Mars 2027. He's gonna put a bunch of those robots in that are like whatever they're called, the Optimus robots. So they can walk around and do things which are way better than those little buggies that they've had up there, the rovers.
[40:01]
Mikey
A rover.
[40:02]
Adam Thorne
They take forever to do anything.
[40:03]
Mikey
Yeah.
[40:04]
Adam Thorne
Like these things are like humanoid shape. They can do.
[40:08]
Mikey
Yeah.
[40:08]
Adam Thorne
Tons of stuff.
[40:09]
Mikey
It's kind of weird.
[40:10]
Adam Thorne
And you know, they can go to each of the strange structures that we found on Mars that we're just like, I'm not sure. What is that? That looks weird. Looks like the base of a pyramid.
[40:19]
Mikey
Yeah.
[40:20]
Adam Thorne
We're going to be getting some cool answers real soon.
[40:22]
Mikey
Yeah.
[40:23]
Adam Thorne
As long as AI doesn't kill us, Right?
[40:25]
Mikey
As long as these. What are they called? Optimist.
[40:28]
Adam Thorne
Optimist robots.
[40:29]
Mikey
As long as they don't actually like turn in the Transformers and then are like, like, that's what the Transformers are called. Like, why.
[40:35]
Adam Thorne
That's true.
[40:35]
Mikey
Why Elon Musk? Why you name it that?
[40:38]
Adam Thorne
Because it's funny.
[40:39]
Mikey
Oh, man, it's funny until they attack us.
[40:41]
Adam Thorne
That is true.
[40:41]
Mikey
That it's literally a movie.
[40:43]
Adam Thorne
But at least Optimus was on our side.
[40:44]
Mikey
True. Could have named it. Yeah, like the deceptive Decepticon would have been. Yeah. Then it's like, elon Musk, what are you doing? Who are you working for?
[40:52]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, exactly. I think he's on our side. He's pro human, I think right now. Yeah, I like him.
[40:57]
Mikey
Pro human.
[40:58]
Adam Thorne
Anyway, that's about it for this podcast. Check out the whole Lucas Nelson interview. And yeah, check out his music. I thought he was cool. I hope he gets back on soon. Thank you, Mikey for joining me and we will talk to you guys next time.
[41:14]
Mikey
Later.
[41:21]
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