458 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Danny Jones

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast
Episode 458: Review of Danny Jones
Release Date: July 25, 2025

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1. Tribute to Ozzy Osbourne

The episode opens with a heartfelt tribute to the legendary Ozzy Osbourne, reflecting on his impact and legacy in the world of metal music.

• Joe Rogan [01:15]: "Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. That was a little tribute to the legend. May rest in peace, Ozzy Osbourne. How's that been for you, buddy?"

• Brandon [01:26]: "It's been rough man. It's been a rough 24 hours. Feels like I lost a family member. Like it really like he was the mascot of metal and he's gone. It's crazy, right?"

They discuss Ozzy's enduring presence despite his health struggles and his final concert with the original Black Sabbath members, which became the highest-grossing charity concert of all time.

• Joe Rogan [02:56]: "Huge fan. We love you, Ozzy. We miss you. Godspeed. Go eat all the bats in heaven."

• Brandon [02:53]: "Such an amazing legacy."

2. Review of Danny Jones' Podcast

The core of the episode centers around Danny Jones, a rising podcaster inspired by Joe Rogan. Joe and Brandon delve into Danny's unique approach and the surreal experience of having him on the show.

• Joe Rogan [03:09]: "Danny's an interesting guy. I've been watching his podcasts on and off for a couple of years. It's interesting his rise. He's really just kind of carved his own area of podcasting."

• Brandon [04:05]: "It was like Joe was talking to himself in a mirror. Like old Rogan meeting new Rogan. It really did."

They commend Danny for maintaining the essence of JRE while introducing fresh perspectives, though they humorously note the absence of certain typical topics like Bigfoot.

• Joe Rogan [04:25]: "If only they mentioned Bigfoot. I think that was the only one."

• Brandon [04:45]: "This is tailored exactly for the fan base. That's what attracted me to this episode 100%."

3. The Influence of Joe Rogan on Podcasting

Joe and Brandon explore the vast influence Joe Rogan has had on the podcasting landscape, discussing audience engagement and the sustainability of his content volume.

• Joe Rogan [06:36]: "I loved how you put that because people do get selective with which episodes they're gonna watch."

• Brandon [07:31]: "There are 10 hours of podcasting a week from Rogan alone. People are gonna be selective."

They also touch upon how Joe’s extensive content affects individual episode impact and guest visibility.

• Joe Rogan [08:05]: "When you have so many shows, each individual doesn't have time to stand out, if that makes sense."

4. Conspiracy Theories: Pyramids and Moon Landing

A significant portion of the conversation delves into various conspiracy theories, particularly focusing on the construction mysteries of the pyramids and the authenticity of the moon landings.

4.1 Pyramids and Ancient Structures

Joe and Brandon question the conventional explanations for the pyramids' construction, pondering the possibility of undisclosed architectural knowledge or extraterrestrial involvement.

• Brandon [15:28]: "If this is confirmed, it throws everything out the window. How they were made—so many theories."

• Joe Rogan [17:11]: "Each generation has tried to come up with a story, but we don't know how they were made."

They emphasize the enigmatic nature of the pyramids and the limitations of current archaeological understanding.

4.2 Moon Landing Authenticity

The duo scrutinizes the moon landing, raising doubts about the feasibility of the missions and the potential for government fabrication.

• Brandon [25:04]: "Operation Paperclip... war crimes... how they got us to the moon, allegedly."

• Joe Rogan [27:18]: "There was a computer system that flagged all NASA moon landing images as fake."

They debate the technological plausibility of the Apollo missions, the Van Allen radiation belts, and the realism of lunar footage.

• Brandon [28:30]: "It's hard to make a good determination... a copy of a copy of a copy."

• Joe Rogan [30:14]: "How could they fake it knowing no other country could verify?"

5. Nuclear War and Geopolitical Tensions

The conversation shifts to the precariousness of global nuclear politics, discussing the potential for accidental war and the fragile communication channels between superpowers.

• Brandon [40:12]: "If a nuclear war with North Korea happens, we have like 10 minutes to call Putin."

• Joe Rogan [41:21]: "It's a terrifying idea that we can blow ourselves up... more countries have nukes now."

They highlight the risks of miscommunication and the escalation potential inherent in current nuclear arsenals.

• Brandon [42:07]: "It's terrifying... think about how delicate it is."

• Joe Rogan [43:05]: "There's a lot of power in controlling information... believe all of it's true."

6. The Role of AI in Society

AI's impact on human cognition and its potential future relationship with humanity is another key topic. Joe and Brandon discuss concerns about AI diminishing critical thinking and the philosophical implications of AI achieving sentience.

• Brandon [54:06]: "ChatGPT is eroding critical thinking... people are copy-pasting essays."

• Joe Rogan [54:34]: "AI could be seen as a new form of consciousness or even a deity."

They contemplate AI's role in shaping human behavior and its integration into daily life, balancing technological advancement with existential risks.

• Brandon [53:35]: "Rogan's newest theory... AI is Jesus."

• Joe Rogan [56:33]: "We're just pieces in a different order... experiencing ourselves."

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Joe and Brandon reflect on their discussions, emphasizing the importance of questioning established narratives and remaining open to diverse perspectives.

• Brandon [63:13]: "Great episode. Can't wait for absolute pleasure."

• Joe Rogan [63:16]: "Loved it. We'll talk to you guys next week. Later."

They reiterate the value of engaging conversations and encourage listeners to explore the topics discussed further.

Notable Quotes

• Brandon [17:50]: "Humanity killed him, but humanity also later brings him back, through the form of AI."

• Joe Rogan [06:15]: "People are gonna be selective... we're used to it now."

• Brandon [43:15]: "We're weaponizing right now. It's terrifying."

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This episode offers an in-depth analysis of Danny Jones' podcast within the context of Joe Rogan's influential platform. Through their discussion, Joe and Brandon explore a range of thought-provoking topics, from honoring musical legends to dissecting complex conspiracy theories and the profound implications of artificial intelligence. The conversation underscores the importance of critical thinking and open dialogue in navigating the ever-evolving landscape of media and technology.

Transcript

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[Joe Rogan]

Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. That was a little tribute to the legend. May rest in peace. Ozzy Osbourne. How's that been for you, buddy?

[Brandon]

It's been rough man. It's. It's been a rough 24 hours. Like a celebrity death hasn't affected like me more than this one. It really hasn't. Like this has just been rough.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Feels like I lost a family member. Like it really like he was the mascot of metal and he's gone. It's crazy, right?

[Joe Rogan]

And you know what's interesting about Aussie is it seems like he, he had been kind of, you know, ill for a long time, right? He had his condition forever. It always just seemed like he was just very frail. He'd been like this but for some reason wasn't dying or getting worse and it's like, oh, I guess Ozzy just lives forever is like how my mind was. He'd just be that way and I don't know man, I, I think with that huge concert he just did that was unbelievable, incredibly emotional and such a reception. I mean it couldn't have, it kind of couldn't have gone in a better way, right?

[Brandon]

100% getting all four original members of Black Sabbath back together for one final show. It was such an amazing celebration for life that that final concert actually was like the highest grossing charity concert of all time. Now.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that right?

[Brandon]

So yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Brandon]

Really, really cool stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

What a beautiful gift to leave the world before you.

[Brandon]

Truly amazing legacy. Such an amazing legacy.

[Joe Rogan]

Huge fan. We love you, Ozzy. We miss you. Godspeed. Go eat all the bats in heaven.

[Brandon]

Do not kill. Rock and roll.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, this week, who we got? Danny Jones. Danny's an interesting guy. I've been watching his podcasts on and off for a couple of years. I don't want to say it came out of nowhere, but it's interesting his rise. I mean, he's really just kind of carved his own area of podcasting and, you know, big guess, interesting discussions. He does a great job with it. Obviously inspired by Rogan. A big fan of Rogan, you know, not unusual for podcasters. He was saying it's quite surreal being on the show. I, I like those moments though.

[Brandon]

Yeah. But he seems so comfortable at the same time, you know that, that's the thing, like when people say that you're. You're thinking, oh, no, they're going to probably stutter. It's going to be a rough show. They might be awkward. But it was like, it was like Joe was talking to himself in a mirror.

[Joe Rogan]

Right? Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, like what this episode felt like was like old Rogan meeting new Rogan. It really did. And there was so much old Jre in this episode with, with all these topics, it's like, wow, we're really checking off all the boxes here. If only they mentioned Bigfoot. I think that was the only one.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't talk about, but I can't believe it. We're gonna have to go back and find the Bigfoot bed, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah. Maybe for their, like, second episode. Because I know Joe invited him back on Nice. In the future. So. Yeah, it was great. It was like, this is everything I like at a jre, you know? Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

And I think it just does go to show like the power of this media and you'd know getting these, having these discussions, what people get out of it, you know, the whole kind of, oh, it's not academic enough. It shouldn't be taken seriously yet for some reason we, whether those people like it or not, they're not the most listened to thing. People in their masses aren't that interested with the most quote unquote academic conversations. They like to have just everyday Joes asking these questions.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And this I think was a really good example of just like a lot of questions asked. There was a lot of exploitation in this. Like it. It was just a really solid episode, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And yeah, it is a comedy podcast. You of Course, have, like, the Shane Gillis's Mark Norman's on here, but this is what the fan base likes. You know, if a com. I. I've. I see comments all the time being, like, if I. If I see a comedian on, I don't watch it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, that's a very common comment to see. And this is. This is tailored. Exact. Like, perfect, perfectly. Yeah, exactly. For the fan base, the core fan base. That's what attracted me to this episode 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

And I loved how you put that because, you know, people do get selective with which episodes they're gonna watch.

[Brandon]

I.

[Joe Rogan]

There's plenty of people that literally will not even touch the MMA ones. They just don't go near them. They're like, nah, I'm not even gonna watch this. But then you get this type of a conversation on, and it is. It is what Rogan was made for. Like, these are the ones.

[Brandon]

It applies to every bit of his audience. Mm. You know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It would be interesting for him to release the downloads, like, just have numbers next a little bit. Maybe not like, exact numbers, because that can be, you know, somewhat his private information, but just to give you an idea, you know, you know, how itunes does it next to the song or. And it has, like.

[Brandon]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

More lines.

[Brandon]

Dreams.

[Joe Rogan]

Mm. It just that. Just. Because I think in a way that would help listeners as well, you know, it's almost like watching the videos on YouTube and you scroll through the bar and it shows, like, the peaks. So, you know that that's, like, a popular part. It would kind of help when there's five episodes to look at for a week. And, you know, you're more of a casual. You're like, okay, which one was good? Or just listen to us. We'll tell you. I mean.

[Brandon]

Right. And the views on YouTube. Tell me that story, too. Because you can tell a hundred percent when a comic's on. It's like, sometimes they don't even break a million.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And then you have something like this where it's like, just blows up. Oh, it really does, dude. Because it's like the Rogan effect isn't really as big as it used to be now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's true.

[Brandon]

So it's like, not really a big deal if a comic comes on. It's like, you know, you're the, what, 2 millionth comedian on the show.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it used to be when the audience was actually a lot smaller and somebody tracked this and did a really good YouTube video on it. I can't remember if I can find it. I'll put a link in the bio so you guys can watch it. But it basically is just a breakdown of how people's Instagrams grew after they went on Rogan. And there was, like, a metric to, like, how much they would jump up. You know, you'd get, like, 100,000 followers or something. Well, now his audience is so much bigger. And that doesn't happen in the same way. Sometimes it does. If they're directly discussing someone's Instagram and referencing it and saying, oh, it's really good, those people often do see quite a big jump. But just for showing up, it's not anywhere as big. And I think it's. It doesn't mean that, you know, there aren't millions and millions of people listening. It just means that because there's so many shows and we're used to it, and then you're on to the next show, that each individual doesn't kind of have time to stand out, if that makes sense.

[Brandon]

Yeah, I. I agree totally. And also, you have, what, 10 hours of podcasting a week from Rogan alone? It's like, people are gonna be selective. Yeah, it's not like. It's not like. It's like, oh, can't wait for the new episode. We're waiting for the new episode. It's like, we have too much now. So much fucking content. So people are gonna be selective, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

It's like, I'd rather see this than, like, you know, some open micr from, like, Jersey, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

For sure. For sure. And, yeah, talking about the amount of content that he makes, it's like, I just can't believe he doesn't take his foot off the gas. He's so busy, you know, he could easily find a way to make as much money just with, like, one a week.

[Brandon]

And he talks about that on this episode, too, where he's like. You know, he's talking about why he's so informed, because he's like, it's my job. All I do all day is like, I'm either doing comedy or just researching shit or just looking into shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Brandon]

He's like, this is all I do. When you're making this much money, when you're. He's, like, the second biggest podcast now, technically, right, Rogan? Yeah, I think. I think Kill Tony is number one now.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that right?

[Brandon]

I think so, yeah. As of, like, last week.

[Joe Rogan]

That's hilarious. I mean, bro, I used to go to the Belly Room of the Comedy Store when they couldn't even sell out 50 seats. And go watch Kill Tony with the lights, like flickering and like the whole setup was just like two people sharing a mic. And now it's literally one of the biggest shows in the world. It's bananas.

[Brandon]

A buddy of mine, Matt Devlin, who was a comic out there, he was on like the first 10 episodes because there'd be times where like, there wouldn't be enough bucket pulls, you know, dude, so he would just go up.

[Joe Rogan]

The first time I signed up to get on it, there was only 15 people on the list. Okay, time for our weekly stand up comedy wrap up, Alex.

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[Brandon]

This lady open mics to have longer lists.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this lady, when we were signing up, like jumped the line, like jumped in front of me. And it was really quite rude of her to do it. She just like, you've been at the Comedy Store, right? You seem like the yes kind of crazy people that hang out there. They literally have some like people that are there all the time that are actually nuts and never do any stand up. And sometimes they sign up for the open mic. They like carry a suitcase or they just like some Wacky character, and they've just always been around. Anyway, this lady was in that group of people, jumps in front of me, writes her name down. I then put mine in. We go to the show, she gets pulled the worst minute you could ever imagine. There wasn't even a joke. And I was like, I've been practicing this for, like two weeks. I was so pissed off. It was fine.

[Brandon]

Fucking sucks. You'll have to go to Austin and try again. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When there's like 9 million names on the list, good luck. You got a better chance of winning the lottery.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How many? Do you know how many people signed up when you recently got on Kill Tony?

[Brandon]

I think it was like, around 300.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. So you really weren't expecting to get up there?

[Brandon]

It was my first week there, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Unreal, dude.

[Brandon]

And I. I'm not gonna play the card of, like, you know, I don't. You know, I wasn't expecting it pulled. You know, I was ready. Like, I. I had my minute planned and everything, but I was like. I was eating a pizza and I thought, like, I thought it was over because it got to that night where people were started, like, leaving. I'm like, oh, I guess that was like the last poll and people were like, yeah, that was probably it. And then they pull my name and I. I just dropped my pizza. I'm like, holy.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that's amazing.

[Brandon]

And then they call you in the back. You go in the back of the club, you're going through, like, airport security. They're, you know, pat you down and everything. Taking everything out of your pockets. Like, what am I, like, walking into? Oh, crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

The security in his club is like, no other. Joe's not messing around. No. No wackadoos again in that club.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Isn't, like, some of the security like, XMMA and.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, no doubt.

[Brandon]

That club's a fortune.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't want to. You don't want any of Joe's security ever. Like, this is. This isn't just like getting kicked out of a regular bar. Like, they're gonna arm bar you.

[Brandon]

You're gonna be safer breaking into a government facility. Like, seriously, that fucking place is a fortress.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's so good, though. It really is my favorite club of all time. It's. I could talk about that all day, obviously. But let's get back to. Let's get back to Danny and. And ancient structures. The pyramids again. Those fucking scans underneath. I can't get over this. I cannot get over this. Get in there, find out Elon Make a satellite that can scan down there. We need answers.

[Brandon]

What I love about these scans and the possibility of these being real is what Rogan was saying, where it's like, there's so many of these fucking gatekeepers out there. They're like, this is how it is. You know, here's my evidence. And it's the best evidence ever. You know, if this is, like, confirmed, it throws everything out the window. It really does. Of, like, how they were made. Like, so many. So many theories. Like, we will have to start over. And there's so many of those, like, pyramid elitist gatekeepers like we were talking about earlier off air with the, like, the worst guest ever on Rogan.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Where he was, like, just such a gatekeeper and he wasn't showing information. It's like, if this comes out, like. Like, he will be put in his place.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon]

Because. Because we don't know. We don't know. People, like, act like they know, but we're just. We're. We're still figuring this out. We really are.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And the more we discover, the more questions it seems to have, like, pop up.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think we've been bullshitting about the pyramids for a long time. They basically. Each generation has tried to come up with a story, and sometimes they build on top of it, but it was just basically, those things were there, and we don't know how they were made and that. So we came up with this story that's, like, somewhat rational. Oh, yeah. They just had the slaves and they chopped all the blocks and they dragged it up and there we go. That's logic. And then people stop measuring things and calculating it out and thinking of, like, well, how would you move this? And then they're like, no, no, no, no. Don't investigate that. No, that's enough. Don't just stop now.

[Brandon]

Like.

[Joe Rogan]

But this stone weighs 110 tons and it's on the ceiling. How did that happen? Oh, don't worry about it, you know? Yeah, but the problem is, if they find that something goes underneath them by, like, two miles and it's spiraling this and that and all these different things, it's like, good luck coming up with your dopey story for this.

[Brandon]

Exactly. And the possibilities. What's down there? And also, to add to your point, like, those vases they were talking about, like, how the fuck could they have made those, like, so precisely, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Just ask Flint Dibble. They just did it and chipped it and spun it and then boom. There we go. The hardest granite pots you've ever seen in your life were carved to probably only hold water, yet with machine precision of like point one frickin hair. Human hair length. It's like. Yeah, I don't think so, bro.

[Brandon]

Perfectly symmetrical. You would need like laser tools to. To do that today, right? I mean, how the fuck.

[Joe Rogan]

They've been digging up like Viking pots in England, you know, from like a thousand years ago forever. And they're just shitty clay pots. I'm sorry. Vikings. You guys were cool, but your pots were average at best. And we're supposed to believe that 3,000 years before then people could make way doper stuff that was like. Why would you even choose to make something out of that material? It's just so hard to work with. Unless you were like, we want this to literally last a billion years. You can't. It's hard to even break those things, dude.

[Brandon]

Like, we are the most advanced civilization like the Earth has ever seen. And the fact that we can't figure out ancient civilization. Shit is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And it must say, like, there must be something else at play. There must be something else that we, you know, and not to put my tinfoil hat on, but.

[Joe Rogan]

They just.

[Brandon]

Other possibilities of that. Do some of these things, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's got to be connected to something like, you know, this story, I believe, is just way wackier than we've been told. I mean, you know, they have a bunch of giant pyramids in China, right. And almost nobody knows about him because the Chinese government has confiscates the land or has just always had it. Doesn't let anyone in. No one can go close to him. And they don't release any studies on it. They just like literally a guarded thing.

[Brandon]

Also, the alleged like pyramids in the Arctic too, there is so like the, the iceberg on like ancient Egypt. And like just the pyramids as a concept is so deep. It runs so deep. And the deeper you go down that rabbit hole, you start to have to like, accept certain possibilities.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon]

That I, I've. I kind of, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if some outside forces, you know, lend their hand.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, you can say it, you can say it on the JRE review.

[Brandon]

Yeah. It's like, I wouldn't be surprised if aliens did this shit, you know, and we were, we were bound to talk about this at some point. Of course we were.

[Joe Rogan]

We. Of course we.

[Brandon]

This is what makes this episode feel like old Rogan, because we're already talking about aliens making the pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

The. The only thing that was different Is they weren't both smoking weed during the episode.

[Brandon]

That was the one thing missing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, the one thing missing. And they totally should have got into it. Maybe Danny's not. Not into that. Maybe he's not.

[Brandon]

Weed and Bigfoot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Do you think that it's probably a good move if they start scanning under other pyramids? Because they might. You might have better access to maybe the ones in South America, Mexico, you know, and. Yeah, I think reasonable to believe if there's weird stuff under the Egyptian ones, you know, there's a good chance there might be some of that shit under all of them.

[Brandon]

That is true. But then, like, shady shit starts to happen where it's like, why am I not even allowed to, like, be in the, like, you know, even close to the. The pyramids? Like, there's all these government restrictions too. And. And I feel like there have. You can't just walk into the pyramids.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brandon]

And there must be some that we don't know. Like, it's like, it's like the same thing where, like, it's illegal to, like, Isn't it illegal? Like, like go through Antarctica.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, you have to. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't fly over it.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Like, why is that?

[Joe Rogan]

It's never really been explained if it's.

[Brandon]

Just like a, you know, if it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Just ice, I think they. I think they have some lame excuse like, oh, it's dangerous and if you crash, like, it's hard for us to come get you. It's like, we're flying over the ocean too, buddy. That's pretty dangerous.

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Bon voyage.

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[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like I'm not, I'm not buying it.

[Brandon]

I agree 100%. And it's like there's things that, it's like Eddie Bravo, where it's like he just doesn't trust the government at all. And it's like there's certain elements of that where I do agree. Where it's like we just can't. When it becomes like this level of maybe there's aliens, maybe there's this involved, we can't trust that like the government will give people full access and like give us all the information we need. Because this is like conspiracy territory here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I mean, look, there's a lot of power in controlling information, right? So. And we already know the propaganda exists. We already know that the governments lie to their people and they do it for control. Right. Also media bias, same thing. It's like we kind of assume the historical record is like, oh well, at least that's fact in history. Yet again, Graham Hancock and those guys have shown that maybe it's different, you know.

[Brandon]

And that brings us to the next checkmark of this episode. The moon landing. You know, like Warner Von Braun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Nazis, Nazis.

[Brandon]

Operation Paperclip. Like, if you're talking about like government fucking cover ups and shady shit, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

How dirty is that that they took a guy that basically had a missile factory in Europe, in Germany, and would hang the, what was it, five slowest working Jewish people each day to scare the shit out of everyone. And then they bring him to America and make him like basically a hero for NASA.

[Brandon]

Head of NASA?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, dude. War crimes. However he gets us to the moon, allegedly. And that's, that's like, you know, the most important thing we can be doing for whatever reason. Now Joe's been back and forth on the moon thing. I don't think I've ever believed we didn't get there. But I like it all. The reason I. The reason I can't be on board with that fully is because I'm Just too dumb to know all the things that. That I can't corroborate anything. I can't measure a fucking Van Allen belt. I don't know anything about radiation shielding and how much a person can deal with or how a camera works in space or X, Y, and Z. But I do like asking the questions, you know, because to me, I'm like, huh, that kind of doesn't add up. One thing that's always got me is they have their spacesuits, right? And they have the backpack, a big block thing that I assume is batteries and a fucking heater and an air conditioning unit, Right? It's got to be something like that, because the temperature of the moon, you can Google that. And I believe it to be true. It gets, like, really fucking hot when the sun's on it and really cold when it's not. And I'm like, how. Like, we don't. Like when people go to the Arctic or climb up Everest. They don't have, like, heat heaters in their clothes. Like, we don't really have that type of thing. I mean, maybe they had something similar. But how do you navigate those extreme temperatures and stay alive? It just. That question.

[Brandon]

I don't know. Like, it's just a lot. Some of these topics make me feel like a fucking idiot. Because, like, the radiation belt you were talking about, and I believe. I'm not sure if they talked about on this episode where I think Russia sent a fucking, like, dog or something and then died like, two weeks later.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, just death. Supposedly, the radiation for a short period of time outside of the Earth is very, very strong. And it just can wipe out any life that's not massively shielded. And it doesn't sound like the ships that we. You know, all the Apollo missions had that type of shield, and they must have had some. But, I mean, it wasn't like, a foot of lead around the outside of this thing. Like, they wouldn't have even got that off the ground.

[Brandon]

Yeah, and it's just like, also the footage. The footage, like, I just. It's. It doesn't look fucking real. Like, yeah, it's like, how the fuck did they get, like, the camera and the flag and the shadows and then Stanley Kubrick's, like, whole conspiracy behind it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's.

[Brandon]

There's so many breadcrumbs where it's like. I kind of agree with what Joe says about it where it's like. He's like, yeah, I do think we went. But I'm not sure if the footage is real.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's elements that are definitely bullshit for sure. And I think that's reasonable to say, you know, I mean just watching the footage of that car that they, that little buggy they took up there, they're literally like peeling out on the moon, doing donuts and I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Is this like, is that real?

[Brandon]

Like driving a golf cart? Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. It's so, it's so cartoony and silly.

[Joe Rogan]

I just can't believe that we don't have a frickin telescope that can just look on the moon. Supposedly there was some satellite images because China has a satellite around the moon now and they've brought back some images that show the, the Apollo spots and you know, some of the, that we left behind. So I'm like, okay, well there's stuff up there. I mean we definitely sent stuff.

[Brandon]

It helps, you know. Yeah, I'll have to look at that because it's like we could have also like, like to look at it both ways. We could have also just sent some shit out there to be like, just in case, you know, people look. Let's just have like some fucking shit. So it looks like we were there anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's gonna be real tough to it once we can get people back there to. I mean they could look at that and be like, oh, there's no footprints, like this stuff was just dropped. Like we could do a definite investigation because nothing's gonna be covered up or blown away. They say a footprint will last like a million years.

[Brandon]

Like it was, I understand what was going on with like the Cold War and everything, but it's like, yeah, you do that, you fake it. Someone's bound to go there anyway. Someone's bound to make a telescope that will be able to see the location, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. But so it's like, it's, it's kind of like if they. Let's say the tinfoil hats are on. It was bullshit. You can't get through the Van Allen Belt. It's like the, you know, Von Braun knew that it was impossible ever or at least for like thousands of years. It was like, there's no way we're going to be, be able to build a ship that can do any of this for a long time. Well, let's fake it. Say we did it knowing full well no other country is gonna be able to get there because we can't do it. All we can do is just satellites. That's it.

[Brandon]

And it's just like, fuck it, you know, future generations, they'll just have to. We'll just. They'll just all figure it out together, though. We fucking faked it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And by then everyone would be dead and. Yeah, it won't matter. It'll be a hunter, whatever.

[Brandon]

We'll have lived our whole life, you.

[Joe Rogan]

Know, great, great grandkids figure it out and they're like, God, these guys were idiots. They were all fucking assholes.

[Brandon]

Tricked us. Yeah, that would have been like. That would be like the biggest, like, fucking thing ever if they. If that was faked. How crazy would that. Like, if that was public knowledge, that would change everything. That would be such a ripple effect of, like, for the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they made a good point that around that same time, you know, there was a bunch of massive government lies taking place. And it's like, oh, the government's willing to lie about all these different things. I can't remember what it was like, MK Ultra and, like, CIA Irancoub stuff. And, you know, it was like, you know, how we got into Vietnam and then, etc. Etc. Right. It's like all these lies are going on and why not? Why not with a bigger one? Or at least lie in elements of it? It's like the only option we have is to believe all of it's true. Right? And it's like, well, maybe some of it is not. And can we ask that question without people just calling us wackos? I like asking questions. I like.

[Brandon]

And the government is on record of lying so much at that time.

[Joe Rogan]

And the interviews so much.

[Brandon]

The FBI.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brandon]

2.

[Joe Rogan]

The interviews with the astronauts when they got back was really odd. Really odd. They look so seated. Yeah, hostages. They like you. You have to read this or we cut your head off. And then, you know, it just. It just seemed odd. Like, you would think they'd be jumping up and down, celebrating just every. There's so many pieces that just don't make a lot of sense. And if that was true and they didn't actually go and then had to have that lie on their shoulders while also being held as, like, not just American heroes, but, like, a world hero, like, let's be fair, Armstrong is, like, one of the most famous people that will ever live for that moment. And if it was bullshit, what the weight that he must have been carrying.

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[Brandon]

Well, it's also like, that's why it's a tough conspiracy theory for a lot of people. Because it's like, if there's lizard people, it's like, yeah, we should look into this. That's bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You know, but it's like with the moon landing, it sets us back if it's true. Yeah, if it's like, true that we didn't go, dude, it might be really such a patriotic thing for the country. Like, it's so page. It's one of the. Like, it's. It's such a patriotic thing for America. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, I think for the world, honestly.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah. For mankind. You know, as the quote goes.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. It, like, really is. It's like one of those hopeful things like, okay, there's been war, there's been this. There's been all this awful stuff. But look, we got to the moon, guys, and we hopped around and did donuts in a little buggy and then we fucking came back and no one died. And that's how good we are. What do you guys think?

[Brandon]

Very smooth.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. So smooth. Nothing went wrong.

[Brandon]

Yeah, not this massive, massive thing we did. It was. It went so smooth. Easy when it comes to teachers, though, you know? But it's crazy. It's so, so fucking crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's fun to play with. I like these conversations coming up again and again. I like new ideas behind it, you know, new explorations. I heard recently that they had an AI that could detect fake and altered pictures. And it had, like almost 100% skill set for doing this. It was like, just nailed everything. If there was anything altered, they. They ran all the NASA pictures through for the moon landing, and every single one of them came back according to this computer system as faked. And it was. It Was the. It was a Google AI and supposedly right after that happened, they, like, took it down. They like, holy shit. Yeah, there was some pressure behind it.

[Brandon]

They were like, well, I guess it's fake. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it means that they were doctored somehow, right? That something was done and the system picked it up. But my point to this is as even our own technology expands, right. Like now, the everyday person, like me and you, we can delve into an investigation like this and actually do some really good work with it, because we just use AI to look up all the information to run some math for us to hypothetically, blah, blah, blah, this simulation, it. Could this be possible? If X, Y and Z is true, and I will come back and give you an answer that's logical, and if shit doesn't start adding up, we're like, oh, yeah, that's not. Could a human survive with this much radiation for this distance? All that type of stuff? And. Yeah, unless.

[Brandon]

Yeah. We also have to keep in mind, though, that, like, when things are digitally altered, it doesn't mean they're fake too. It might be like some kind of smudge they're editing out, you know, an alien. So. Yeah, yeah, some. Some alien waving. You know, there. There's. There's many elements to it, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

It's, like, hard. That's why a lot of, like, I've. I've looked into a lot of, like, Loch Ness monster, Lake Champlain stuff where there's, like, footage of the thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Excellent.

[Brandon]

And people don't know because they don't have the original picture to scan. You know, it's. Because it's a digital remake, you can't really know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon]

It's. It's a sensitive technology. Yeah. It can scan it and know what's fake, but it's like, again, like. Unless it's looking at, like, the original fucking photograph, you know, coming out of the Polaroid or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Brandon]

Like, it's hard to. It's hard to make a good determination, but that's what makes it even, like, trickier.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's actually a good point because it's. It's another element of the moon landing conspiracy that kind of leans into it. So the broadcast networks had to film a giant screen projecting what was happening on the moon. So it's like a copy of a copy when cameras were shitty and everything was black and white anyway, so it's almost like that's how you would want to set it up to make it. So it was really difficult to kind of corroborate. Right.

[Brandon]

But that's what could be setting the AI off. You know that it's a copy of a copy of a copy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon]

You know where like things start to like lose resolution and stuff. And like it's. That, that is a possibility. There's, there's many ways you can look at this. That's what makes this such an interesting topic though is there's so many angles to look at this. People just get so, such a massive event. It's like one of humanity's biggest achievements. And it could be f. Like it's just such an insane thing. So wild.

[Joe Rogan]

To even play with that idea is just so fun that I don't think there's anything wrong with it at all. And yeah, I enjoy.

[Brandon]

I do want to bring up going forward in some of these things that were talked about is the 44 interceptor missiles we have and talks about if we go to nuclear war with North Korea, we're going to have to fly them over Russia.

[Joe Rogan]

Uh huh.

[Brandon]

So if, if it happens, we have like 10 minutes to call Putin, be like, hey, hey man, the nukes heading your way, they're not for you. Please don't nuke the country. Like it's crazy. Like think that like how, how delicate. And then they send everything off and then we have to like empty the silos and like the whole world can be nuked if there's like one little miscommunication.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And it just takes North Korea like dropping something, you know, Dude, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

I think that when somebody does try something dumb like that, even with their neighboring country, right. Let's say it's North Korea has a shitty old clunky nuke. They managed to fire it off into South Korea and it does damage to a city, but it's small enough to where it's like we can deal with it. I think the only rule then needs to be flatline the country. Like we got to make an example to the world. This is a massive. No, no.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Like you can't be fucking with world politics like that.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Brandon]

Like it's such a dangerous that like when we're talking about like nuclear weapons, it's such a dangerous potential. And like for miscommunications too. Like imagine that like with Russia, like having 10 fucking minutes to clear it up with them. That like we're not going to nuke you. Yeah, it's in there. Must be, there must be something where there's like a burner phone Putin has at all times. No, that the president could just like call him up. It's like, oh, Shit. That's the nuke phone. You know, it's like, there has to be something. Yeah. Instead of, like, he gets a thing on his Apple Watch or something, you know, like, there has to be some kind of thing that, you know, that doesn't lead to these miscommunications.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, you know, they've had what they call the red phone for a long time, which is supposed to be literally a red phone, like on Batman, that goes from our president to Putin's office.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, but at the same time, it's like, okay, so North Korea fires the nuke because they're being idiots. All our shit goes off immediately because that's how it's set up. Then we've got to go wake trump up. He's 80 years old. How long does it take to get Grandpa out of bed? Like, let's be honest. No disrespect to Trump, but it's like, you know, the middle of the night, go. And he's like, oh, shit, give me a Diet Coke. And now he's got to pull it together, and in 10 minutes, call Putin.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And, you know, Trump's gonna hit that button. You know, like, he's not. He's not fucking around.

[Joe Rogan]

No, he'd. He'd flatline everybody before. Before America.

[Brandon]

He's fucking slamming that button right away.

[Joe Rogan]

He's just hitting every button.

[Brandon]

He's hitting both that and the Coke button at the same time. You know, it.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, we laugh about it, but it is a fucking terrifying idea that on top of everything else we got to think about, there's also the chance that we ourselves can blow ourselves up. And more and more countries. I don't want to say all the time, but, you know, it's like more countries eventually getting nukes than not having nukes. It's not like anyone's given their nukes up unless. Unless our bombers go in there and stop all of that being made. But lots of countries have nukes now.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And they're all just, like, fearing the unknown, you know, and they don't want to be like. They want to be able to defend themselves and stuff. And they're like, oh, America must have all these nukes. Russia must have all this, like, weaponry. Like, we have to, like, have, like, nukes and. And missiles and. And everyone's just weaponizing right now. Yeah. Which is terrifying. I mean, look, the concepts like that or where miscommunications can happen. They were talking about that submarine that misfired, I believe. Oh, yeah, that American submarine. And Russia was like, what the fuck are you going to war with us? And it was like, cleared up right away, I believe. But that's like, yeah, crazy, crazy that it's happened, you know, it's. And it still could.

[Joe Rogan]

We were literally that close to it ending and. And it's kind of always happening though, to be honest, when I sit back and think and I try to always just be a hopeful person, like, even with these geniuses that come on and say AI is going to destroy us. And I believe they are much smarter than me and know a lot more right. So they, therefore they should be more right than I am. I just have this feeling that like, we'll be all right. We're going to be all right. Everything's going to be good with make it a useful full tool. In the same way, I've just got a good feeling that we are going to continue to avoid nuclear war. You know, I do just going to figure it out.

[Brandon]

I do believe in aliens and.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe.

[Brandon]

Not the most controversial thing ever said on this podcast, but I think that, like, they give a shit and they don't want to see humanity erased.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Brandon]

Yes. I think. I think we do have a bit of a safety net.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Like that kind of like guardian angels. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like there's been like, you know, some evidence that they've disarmed missiles and other things. So you never know. You never know. There's. There's a lot of alien about, you know, the tall whites and grays and everything and how a lot of them are trying to keep the peace of the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Brandon]

And I. I'm not sure if, if, like, if that's true and there are aliens and they're observing us that like, yeah, they'll watch the lion eat the zebra occasionally, but they're not going to let the population go away.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Brandon]

You know, that's kind of how I look at it. And maybe I'm too deep into the conspiracy hole there, but it feels like a safety net that, like, I don't think we're alone and I do think someone would come in, something would step in, whatever, whatever you believe in. Spiritual extraterrestrial. I think something would step in from letting the world like, implode on itself, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, in the, in the words of the great man, Joe Rogan himself, it's entirely possible. It just. Yeah, it fucking is, man. I mean, look, this kind of thinking to kind of gets into that whole simulation theory stuff that they talked about. You know, it's like James Webb telescope, the early galaxies that They've discovered that shouldn't have been formed. Does that mean that the universe is older than what we thought it to be? Dark matters, place, is it like basically data in a sense. And this whole idea, and this one's real wacky to me, this whole idea which is kind of backed up by like the quantum mechanics theories of how if something isn't observed, it kind of doesn't exist. So therefore in a sense before there was any consciousness and let's say the only consciousness is Earth, which would ruin your alien theory. But let's just say it for this then. Before consciousness was the universe, even here, if nothing does it exist? I mean that's basically what they're saying to be true.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's like, it's like that saying, like if a tree fell, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Brandon]

It's, it's really interesting. And even them talking about dark matter and like how matter can only exist without, with, with consciousness. It's a two way thing. Yeah. And it's just, it's, it's something where I just have to like just puff the joint. Yeah, I guess.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, like I gotta get to the bottom.

[Brandon]

This is so crazy. This is, this is like, this is insane, you know, because, because if, like, if that's true, like you're right, it, and we are kind of the center of everything. But, but it also, you know, there could be other like alien life and, and stuff that's, that's consciousness as well. It doesn't have to be intelligent.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Well, let's say it could be a planet in the dinosaur prehistoric era.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, but still there still, still must have been a universe before any life anywhere could have evolved. Like evolution takes some time. So there's a big bang, there's a lot of light, there's tons of matter firing through space. Nothing's solidified and gone solid. I mean right then there's no life, there's no consciousness. Like that's pretty reasonable to accept. Therefore, if nothing can observe it or even interact with it with consciousness, does it even exist?

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[Brandon]

Yeah, and then where does consciousness come from? You know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What a weird thing.

[Brandon]

Like, like where. How did that start then? If matter can't exist without it, then, then like, it's, it's, it makes my brain hurt.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, I know. It's so. It's so hard. I mean, the weirdest thing is like, right, we're, we're just made up of atoms from the periodic table. We, we're the same as a rock or, or a house or a tree or anything. We're just pieces in a different order. And somehow we can therefore experience ourselves and other things. So it's like we're obviously a small part of the universe experiencing itself.

[Brandon]

You're sounding like Bill Hicks there too much.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So weird.

[Brandon]

I'm like experiences itself, you know, it's, it's, it's literally. You hit the nail on the head there. Truly. You know, it's literally a Bill Hicks quote too. That guy. It's, it's. Yeah. And, and they talk about him too. On like, this was just the ultimate. Like, this is especially the, the topics we're bouncing between right now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, yeah, he just had everything.

[Brandon]

Pyramids, the moon landing. You know, also you brought up, you know, chat, GBT and AI and how like AI people are already looking at it as a God. And maybe that's like we create like God because, like, what's the highest level artificial intelligence could ascend to, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if you heard Rogan's newest theory and a lot of people missed this because it was on the last MMA podcast, I often will skip those Only just because of time. I do like a lot of them and. And they often have some good bits in. I. I can't remember the guest. Anyway, he was talking about this graphic novel that he was making that was really interesting. I was like, oh, this. It's kind of cool sometimes to learn about how interesting some of these fighters are. Right? But Joe had this theory where he was like, maybe AI is Jesus. Like when it becomes its own level of sentient. Because think of the myth, the story. It's like Jesus will return. And we assume just. He just lands here. Like all the lunatics around the world that think they're Jesus and try and start a cult. But maybe it comes in a different way. I mean, yeah, it's a wacky stoner kind of style, but it's.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's crazy to think like humanity killed him, but a humanity also later brings him back, you know, it's like through the form of AI. It's just crazy. It's crazy to think about that shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And. And Rogan even talks about on this episode, like, he sees us merging with AI. He's like, that's what it's going to turn into. And even it's crazy. The studies where Chat GBT is like, eroding critical thinking. And that study where people just, like at the end of the study, people were just copy and pasting for their.

[Joe Rogan]

Essays, well, they've known this for a while, that Google has definitely been making people stupider because instead of like back in the day, you would have to go to a bookshelf and pull out a fucking encyclopedia and look up the thing. And by doing that, that whole process, which is longer, and it involves reading and actually sorting through what you're looking for, your attention is much higher. But now we can just be like, hey, chatgpt, what's the name of the thing that does the other thing? And it's boom, there's the answer. And you already forgot it. And that's it. You already see it with driving. I used to know how to get to a lot of places, or I would figure it out. I had a much better sense of direction. I could read an old map. Now I just follow the line on my phone. And sometimes I'm like, oh, how. What is that road?

[Brandon]

Or how do I get over there when Waze crashes? I'm fucked up, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, in a new city, yeah, for sure, 100%. If the Internet goes down, all of a sudden, none of us can go anywhere.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's. It's just. It's where does this path lead? Civilization.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it was because we're. It was Corey Sandhagen. So if anybody wants to go back and listen to that MMA one, even if you're not an MMA fan, though, they do talk about fighting quite a lot. But it's. They get into some pretty cool philosophical on that one. It's.

[Brandon]

I'll check that out. Because, yes, some of the MMA stuff I'll, like, skim through, you know, but that's. I'll definitely revisit that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the thing with Rogan show is like, these pieces of gold, like, you never know where they're going to pop up. So.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah. And like, also, we have to mention this. They. They did talk about Diddy and Epstein.

[Joe Rogan]

We got to cover that.

[Brandon]

We have to talk.

[Joe Rogan]

We end on that. We end on that.

[Brandon]

Yeah. All right. We'll end on that. Yeah, we'll end on that. But yeah, just like, also, how Christ used to mean drugs.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[Brandon]

Back then that was mentioned, which was crazy to me. I had no idea. Like, that's so insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

That's such an insane piece of information. And I've looked into that a little more since that. It's like, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, when you think of taking mushrooms, it's like kind of lines up like, huh.

[Brandon]

Yeah, People. It's a religious experience, right?

[Joe Rogan]

How to talk to God 101.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Just hung out with Christ, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

So what do you make of this current, like, Diddy Epstein thing? And also the fact that it was the same judge, it was Comey's daughter, who was the Maxwell judge and Diddies. That sounds. That sounds like a fucking big old conflict of interest right there. But they're both just like, ah, it's not a big deal. It's done. It's like, did they cover their ass so well? And are these tapes so valuable that it's like, well, we have the tapes. Thanks for collecting all this information for us, you know, and you're. You're free to go. He just.

[Brandon]

Well, you know, Rogan was saying with. If we're talking about, like, like, even with, like, Epstein, it's like Pam Bond, he's like, I have all these fucking tapes. And then Cash Patel's on the podcast, and he's like, there's no tapes. And Rogan. Rogan was like, you know, what was I going to do? Push back? And I kind of wish he did.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, me too.

[Brandon]

Like, it's like. It's like, what am I supposed to, like, you know, it's like, ask some hard shit you know, should have just.

[Joe Rogan]

Gone off on him, dude. He should have just nailed him to the wall and be like, you're not leaving this room till we get some answers. You probably can't say that to the FBI director. That might be. It might be very.

[Brandon]

Unless you want to get like, JFK'd, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

But, yeah, I think. I honestly think Joe probably regrets not pushing a little harder, you know.

[Brandon]

Yeah, well, it's like, it's kind of a pattern I've seen recently, like, even like Mark Zuckerberg and stuff. And like, some of these things were like, he should. He's criticized these people in the past of, like, some of the things they've done. And then they're on the podcast and he's just like, you know, it's very like, you know, like, easy questions, throws.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, I hear that often. There's actually another review show called the no Rogan Podcast, and it's done by these guys that have a lot of experience podcasting. So it's like a well produced show. However, they. They're not fans of Rogan. It's like a diss, you know, and they just kind of pick everything apart, which is like, if you want to have a negative type show and attitude like that, you know, oh, it's popular, so that must mean it's okay, fine, if you want to live like that, that's up to you. But, you know, they often criticize Rogan and say, oh, he doesn't push back. He doesn't ask these hard questions. It's not really a gotcha show. It's a. It really. It's not even technically an interview show. It's just two people getting to know each other. And it's not like Rogan is never pushed back against something that was really fucked up. And yeah, there are elements where he probably is a little bit politer to either more powerful or more famous people, you know, but there's not a lot to be gained often by like, coming at somebody. And I think it probably would make other people less likely to go on the show. And Rogan just wants more access to conversations. That's. That's really what he's looking for.

[Brandon]

Yeah, Joe Rogan, he isn't Howard Stern, you know, Exactly. And his whole thing, and he's talked about this many times, is he just wants to, like, have a conversation with with unique people. You know, he just wants to shoot the. He wants to talk about whatever elk, aliens, Bigfoot, whatever the, you know, what they're doing, what their day to day life is. How they manage their crazy. Managing a social media company, you know, running the country. Like, it's. It's more of like, like, how are you, though? You know? Yeah, it's like you do all this, but, like, are you like, what is your life like? And that's like, what I've really gotten out of it, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but. And also, he. If you look at it, take the Zuckerberg podcast, for example. You know, people are like, oh, I didn't really hit him too hard about, like, the FBI and the, you know, the censorship and these sorts of things. But. But he allowed Zuckerberg to explain his version of it. And we all made our decisions afterwards. We were all like, that's not. That's kind of lame, you know, you're saying you won't do it again. You did it the first time, bro. Not cool. But when Zuckerberg brought up that he's bow hunting, like, he was hitting a lot of points that he knew Rogan would like. The jiu jitsu one's more legit because he does train and he has been to tournaments, so it's like, all right, legit. Talking about bows. And then Joe was like, what kind of release do you have? What kind of bow do you have? What kind of this and that? Who set it up for you? And he just. Zuck just kind of stopped.

[Brandon]

He's like, you weren't supposed to ask follow up questions.

[Joe Rogan]

I did not do enough research. But, but basically what Joe is doing there, he's like, oh, you like this, but do you really know anything about it? Is it real? And that's. That's Joe's version of Gotcha in the sense of like, let's explore this. Let's see if you're actually, if you've got this. I just don't think there's a lot of advantage, really, to really hit people too hard in a, in an interview.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And I think it's like Joe kind of setting up the guest for the audience, you know, because he knows the audience. If they fucking. If the guy, you know, shows his hand, the audience is going to fucking rip them apart.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So I think that, like, Joe's just leaving it to the comments 100%.

[Joe Rogan]

100% as the.

[Brandon]

But it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's the gallery, you know, that's the shooting gallery that he just opens up. He's like, all right, this is. This guy. Go. What do you think?

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, look, take the Egyptian guy that came on. Joe was like, pretty annoyed during the pod and how it was going. He could tell there was some gatekeeper stuff and he wasn't really paying attention anything. And he kept trying to fucking sell his book. It's in my book. It's in my book the whole time. But Joe was respectful, really, you know, didn't call him out and say, I think you're full of shit and any of these things. He didn't need to. As soon as the pub was over, the online forums, the chats, the comments destroyed that guy and it's like, there you go.

[Brandon]

That's how he's already looking like a fucking moron in front of everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Total.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Anyway, let's wrap it up for today. Thanks, Brandon, as always. Great to have you on. And yeah, Danny Jones, check it out.

[Brandon]

Can't wait for absolute pleasure. Great, great episode.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, awesome. Loved it. We'll talk to you guys next week. Later.

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