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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created now with your host Adam Thorne. Might either be the worst podcast one go.
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C
Enjoy the show.
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B
Hey, guys, and welcome to the episode, joined as always by Brandon, or as always, moving forward. Good to see you.
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C
Great being back. This was a fun episode and I cannot wait to talk about it.
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B
Oh, it's gonna be good. Come on. The legend that is Charlie Sheen. I mean, dude, I grew up in the 80s. I was watching Platoon, Wall street, you know, eventually, Two and a Half Men, meltdowns. I mean, Hot Shots 1 Hot Shots Part dear.
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C
Hilarious. Those, those interviews post firing are just some of the most legendary tapes. He's like, I have tiger blood in me.
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B
Yeah, yeah, that I, you know, and what was great about this conversation with Joe is like, Joe is the perfect guy to kind of not judge you and listen to what brought you to your, you know, semi meltdown, breakdown, whatever it is. And I like that. Charlie was, he's pretty humble about it. He wasn't making excuses. He was like, yeah, did a lot of cocaine and testosterone. I mean, plus other drugs. I mean, it's gonna get you that, dude.
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C
It will for sure. Yeah. I, I really was surprised. And they talk about this, and I'll just say this before we get into, like, the whole episode breakdown, but, like, how the hell have Joe and Charlie, like, never met until now? Like, also the fact that this was the first time he was on the podcast because I saw the episode and, you know, I was like, oh, it's cool. I. I assume that was maybe his third, fourth appearance on the podcast. I, I was shocked. They've never even met until now. So it was cool. It was really.
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B
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was awesome to see him together. And I, and I thought a great conversation. I mean, yeah, it's interesting what he's doing. He's got his kind of show that's come out. And I think that, you know, after the kind of rock bottom that he hit and the lunacy that he was, you know, back to winning and tiger blood and all the rest of it, how do you recover from that? Especially in the world of Hollywood. However, he. He just seems to know how to do it in his own wacky way, and people are giving him a lot of credit for sobering up now. It's like, good job. Give him a chance.
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C
Yeah. And it really just goes to show, if you're, like, humble about it and honest, people are gonna see that. And everyone loves Charlie Sheen. The comments were just like, everybody. One loves this guy, an actor who goes through shit like this. It's so hit or miss when it comes to, like, reception, you know? But Charlie Sheen, man, like, he's the man. He's. He's an og.
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B
Yeah, for sure. You got to put him in that category for, you know, I mean, he was like. He was like a minus list. I don't know if it was like, a list, but he was always just kind of hovered around and in between. He was definitely not a B lister. Let's be fair. He was in some big ish movies in the 80s, did some bangers in his own right in the 90s. Huge TV show. I mean, Two and a Half Men is kind of undeniable for how much money he was making.
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C
It's a great show, too. Yeah, well, he was in six seasons of that. He said. I. Yeah, so my. My grandfather loved that show. It's. It's great. I was watching it way too young, but it was just such a. Such a good show. I also loved him. I do want to shout out this, too. I loved them in scary movie 3. Did you ever see that? Oh, yeah, yeah.
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B
He plays, like, on the farm, right?
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C
Who?
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B
Well, he played Mel Gibson's pop. Because it was signs. They were making fun of signs.
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C
Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. So he's. He's just like. He's really great, like, as a dramatic actor, a comedy actor. Just really solid and just, like, in conversation, too. Like, really chill guy.
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B
Yeah. Was that your sense of him overall? Like, I mean, look, you don't party like that if you're not cool to hang out with. So clearly he is, right?
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C
Right. He went.
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B
He went a little off the rails, but it does sound like he's. He's.
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C
Dude, I'd say he blew up the whole fucking track. A little off the rails.
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B
No, I just mean. I just mean. I just Mean, the going off the rails, people can do it in all different ways, right? Kanye did it in his own way. People have done it mine. Lawrence did it in his way. Charlie's was so wild and nuts and he was saying the craziest types of things, yet at the same time, it kind of became a thing people were saying. I mean, back in the day, we were all saying winning and tiger blood. Like, it kind of didn't offend us as much as many people do when they go off the rails.
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C
Well, I think it was like the whole kind of like, it's like how you like seeing Ozzy up, Keith Richards, like all these musicians. I feel like it's that same kind of energy where it's like, dude, he's. He's awesome. He's crazy. Where, you know, in reality people should have been probably like, hey, I think he needs to like, seek help. Where people were kind encouraging him. It seemed when he was going through.
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B
All this, that's what he was saying.
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C
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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B
Like, he probably had like publicists around him and they're like, hey, you're. You're trending right now. Keep it up. And that's, that's a dangerous thing when you're smoking crack.
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C
Yeah, it's. Crack can send you down some crazy paths, as we know with Hunter Biden, you know, that whole thing we, we talked about. But yeah, man, there's like footage of him drunk, like at a McDonald's drive thru. There's so much great footage of him drunk, but. And like crazy. But at the same time, what's cool is there's also amazing for like this podcast, amazing footage of him just like being such a cool guy and down to earth and humble and honest. And that's what I really, really loved about this episode because he's like, he's just like how he's reflecting on his life and everything he did and how he approaches these subjects are just really cool to see. And as a lot of people are saying in the comments, they're like, wow, man. As someone who like, is recovering, this was really great to hear. So just cool, cool stuff.
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B
Yeah. I mean, look, anytime someone can really take a step back and be humble in a sense of like, not making excuses for themselves, just being real, that's what I felt like were getting. I mean, Joe brought it up. He grew up on the set of Apocalypse now, right? With his dad, Martin sheen, and Brando, 1979. It's like he was so young. He's surrounded by these powerhouse actors doing their thing and like, all actors, to some degree, are wacky. So he's picking up on all this, you know, eventually landed Red Dawn. In all my notes, 1984, Platoon 86. You know, as a teenager, dude, a crazy debut. Platoon is such a legendary movie. And he wasn't even 20.
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C
Insane. Yeah, like, that. They'll fuck you up. To get that success that early is so dangerous, especially as a teenager. Like, it's one thing when you're a kid, you know, and that's really dangerous as well, but, like, when you're, like, really getting into rebellion and trying substances and, like, really branching out with alcohol, now, suddenly you have all this money. It makes sense. All the things that led to his complete destruction, it. The. The seeds were, you know, planted.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, Martin Sheen's work in Platinum, Apocalypse Now, I mean. I mean, obviously Brando shined in that, but Martin had a powerful, powerful role in that movie. So for Charlie to go into Platoon and have the opportunity to do something very similar, you know, you start to think that. That your generations of incredible actors and that. That's got to be a shitload of pressure, dude.
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C
And we're talking about, like, a top five movie ever, maybe. Is that fair to say?
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B
Oh, Apocalypse Now.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Oh, dude, it's on the list.
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C
Top five, top 10.
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B
I would say platoons in the top 50 or 100. Yeah, you got to put that in there. That movie. That movie's hard to watch sometimes. You know, some of those scenes are like.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah. A lot. Like, a lot of the. Like, even Apocalypse now, man. Like, there's some. I believe the. The scene where they kill the cow. It's been a while since I. It's a real killing. It's not like they actually kill that thing.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, kill right in the. Yeah, in the big things. We kill cows all the time.
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Do we eat cows? I eat beef today. It's like, it's not the most shocking thing, but they don't often show it in a movie.
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Yeah, let's say that. And I know that's like a minor thing, but it's like it just goes to like even the. The fake brutality. And then you have like a real.
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It added to the darkness.
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C
Exactly.
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It had a different type of darkness in that movie. For sure. Yeah, for sure.
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But crazy legacy this guy had. Like, seriously, what a fucking timeline.
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B
Like hitting rock bottom. I know. It was like Valium, alcohol, crack, coke. And then he just started. Was it like 20?
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C
It was before COVID I'm thinking like 2000. Geez. Because. Because I'm trying to think when I'm compare. I'm using Two and a Half Men as like a point of reference.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's how, you know.
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C
Are we talking like the 2010s?
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I think it was a bit later.
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C
Really?
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It's a. Yeah.
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C
Are you sure?
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Yeah, because he. It was before. It was after his HIV diagnosis.
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Oh, yeah.
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And that was like 2015ish.
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Yeah, I think.
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And you know, then he went off the rails and that was it.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I mean, quiet for a while. It's pretty quiet.
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Yeah. I. I feel like even like a lot of the quietness that came, like after and everything, it's like, well deserved and it's needed for sure. Oh, you know, it's like after something like that, you gotta have to just, like, have some time to yourself. It was just like, something I do want to talk about with this, like, episode is like, it was just really cool hearing things like how he's like, yeah, I'd day drink and I'd have it with coffee. And he's like, I'd love getting up in the morning. And then my daughter would be like, hey, you have to drive me. And he's like, oh, all right, I'm gonna call my friend. And it's like, damn. No matter what, no matter how crazy this guy was, never got a dui.
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B
Amazing.
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Yeah. Like. Like, was just no matter what, was able to, like, really not risk family, like, not up anything to that extent because, like, that's what it leads to. There's so many stories of, like, these crazy musicians and their kids and their kids talking about, yeah, he would pick me up from school and he's shitfaced. We're driving down the highway and he's like, you know, swerving in and out of lanes where Charlie was insane, man. Like, the. The benches he was on were unreal. And still was able to, like, you know, preserve. That side of him is really cool and very rare in these.
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Blacking out in Vegas and waking up to paramedics and then going, you know what? I should go to sobriety. I should start this. It's like one of those. But you're right. I mean, look, he did have some divorces, quite a few. So I'm sure that the substances kind of bled in to that life. No doubt. But at the same time, yeah, I mean, he's still connected with his kids, still is connected with his family, his brother. Shout out to Emilio Estefaz. Esther. How do you say it? Estefans.
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Estefan.
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Like, Tim played Billy the Kid in Young Guns. One of my favorite kind of older school movies. Love those. And, you know, so that says a lot, right. He didn't cut people off. Even the guy that was directing or produced Two and a Half Men had him back on later, which is kind of a big deal, honestly. You know, it's like, look, you can get pretty frustrated with people in your life that have substance abuse problems, but there is a point, if they're not on top of that, actually huge assholes to where you're like, ah, this was the drugs, right? And it's nice. It's nice to see that you don't have to. You don't have to cut them off completely.
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C
Yeah. And getting into this episode, there was so many topics that were like the. The JFK assassination, you know, the O.J. verdict, the. The CIA, Charles Manson's, which I did not expect them to talk about whatsoever.
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B
Huh.
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C
I was really. I was like, okay, we're gonna talk about recovery, substance abuse. But this really got like, really turned into a conspiracy podcast pretty quick. Yeah, well, all the, all the hot topics, like even. Which, you know, and we'll get into the. The Charlie Kirk stuff, but, like, so, so much conspiracy. And. And how did you. You feel about that element?
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B
I mean, it made sense. Like, you do enough drugs, you're gonna be thinking about conspiracies more than you planned on thinking about them. I mean, I would just say that across the board. Like, it, you know, the good. The good ones, the bad ones. You know, I throw. I throw mushrooms in the category of the good ones. I throw cocaine and crack in the category of the bad or slightly worse ones. And maybe not slightly, maybe just worse, but, like, there's levels to which ones. Right. However, you do enough of any of them in any order, you really start to ask yourself some interesting questions that lead you down some rabbit holes. And no doubt both of these two together were tuned in for that. I think for the majority of the time they did very different drugs. But it kind of brings up some stuff. I mean, JFK assassination, of course, you know, just the hundreds of hours spent watching documentaries. I mean, Joe has been obsessed with that forever, always will be.
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C
Yeah, he talks about the book Best Evidence, which I'm not sure if he was it. On this podcast, he talks about reading that book and he like, bombs.
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B
Oh, it was like a couple of weeks ago.
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C
Yeah, yeah, he brought that up like.
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B
A dozen times, though.
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C
Yeah, I'm probably mixing a couple episodes at once, but, like, where he just reads it all in one sitting and he, like, loses his fucking mind.
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B
Why would you read that before you go on stage? I mean, look, I know a lot of things happen before you go on stage, and he was probably quite a lot younger, but the fact that he decided to read that book, I mean, that's going to spin you out, dude.
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Yeah, it's like, holy shit, what else is the whole world a fucking lie? You know? And you're just sat in that for like, how many hours like that, that, you know, breaking down evidence, the being convinced slowly that, yeah, this guy, the CIA killed him. All this shit's. It's like, what else is fake? What else isn't real? What else were we lied about? And having that in your head and then sitting with, like, the whole idea that we killed, like, our own president. How? Why, like, how does that happen? DraftKings Casino has your playbook for gaming action all season long. Play thousands of popular slots for a shot at jackpots. Over 400 million has already been awarded. New players get 500 spins on Huff and more puff over 10 days. Download the app, use code JRE and claim your spins after your first $5 wager. Get in the game with DraftKings Casino, home of the largest jackpot win in online casino history. The crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly. 21/physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario eligibility restrictions apply. New customers only. Non withdrawable casino spins issued as 50 spins per day for 10 days. Valid for featured game only and expire each day after 24 hours. See terms@casino.draftkings.com promos ends October 5, 2025, 9:00pm Eastern Time. Why did we. Like, what country is this in sitting with that and, like, asking all these questions over and over in your head? I can't imagine what that would do to me if I'm, like, going on stage and it's like, all right, time to be funny. I just want to be on stage and be like, we gotta do something. We gotta overthrow the government.
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I don't know. I would change my whole act up if I knew that I was. I could not even do my 10 minutes or whatever it is because I'm not in the right headspace. I would just have to talk about whatever I'm thinking.
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Yeah.
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Even if it bombed, at least you would give yourself a chance to go on a, like, a billboard rant. Potentially.
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C
Yeah, Philly rant. But about the CIA. That'd be crazy. Yeah, but, yeah, man, like, the. The JFK stuff was cool. A lot of insightful stuff. It's just so hard because there's so much evidence out there and it's hard to keep track of, like, all these, like, oh, the. The autopsy and, you know, back.
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Let's just take a second. Let's take a second because I think this is important. One for our audience and also two for us. Like. And bear in mind, it's only what we think today. And, you know, Brandon and I are both dummies, so we're doing our best. But what is, like, if. If somebody gave you A big pile of chips from the casino, and you've got a few options in front of you. Did it go down the way that they said? Was it, you know, I don't know. Russians? Was it an inside job? CIA? Like, where. Like. And not to get you in trouble. And you don't have to answer this, because people get killed for their opinions. We're not gonna. But where are you sliding your chips? And I'm happy to go first if you're concerned about this.
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C
So I'm thinking it was probably, you know, if I was. It was. I'm thinking, like, maybe Peter Thiel with a time machine went in there. I, like, honestly, man, if I was to put my. Like, if I was to put money on it, I'd say the CIA. I really would. Because every time I look into this more, it's like, oh, like, even this podcast, it's like, a couple things that we're talking about where it's like, all right, I'm gonna look into it a little bit. And after doing research, I'm like, that's not good. And it's. And it's the certain things that cause you to want to go down that rabbit hole. And there's so many elements, man. Of this, where it's like, the witnesses. Like, one dies in their car with the. With the car on, and they, like, suffocated because I guess they were in their garage and kept the car running. It's like, how the. Does that happen? Like, why do all these witnesses die in weird, mysterious ways. The bagging to the left, the autopsy with the. The reconstructing his face. It's just weird. There's so many weird elements to this conspiracy. I would say the CIA did it. I know. I'm not sure what the whole deal is with the. I know. Right now, there's the whole JFK files. I'm not sure if they were put out already or if part of it were. I know.
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B
It's like, it was, like, highly redacted. Highly redacted.
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C
Oh, really?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, 150 pages of, like, shoppies.
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C
It's like you killed five Sharpies and put out these files.
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B
You know, I kind of feel like when they do that, it's like they're disrespecting us so bad. It, like, took that long to get it. And it's just like, one word, another word, another word. Just lots of lines that are black. It's like, what. Why even. Why even. Give us. What do you. What are you really giving us? Just letting us know that there's a lot of information we can't have. And there's a lot of pages with black lines on it.
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C
That was like, when they did the, like, Epstein files phase one and had all those influencers go to the White House.
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B
I mean, why not then. Why not then just release the Epstein files? And it just has a heading, Epstein files. And then 900 black lines. And they're like, well, we really. We just had to take a bit of information out.
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C
It's technically in the public.
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B
You can't. You can't be like, well, they didn't give us something.
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C
It's that dude, like, the element of drip feeding that's happening in our government with just like, sometimes such, like, it's.
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B
Sometimes I feel like I'm a cow in one of those factory farms. But. But the. The guy that runs the farm comes over and it sometimes rubs your head and is like, hey, you're just one of us. You've got rights. You can vote on whether we take all your milk or slaughter half. But it's like, we do it. We do it together. You guys are great. And then they just walk you off, milk you, and then kill you. And then you realize, oh, I had no choice but to eat your shitty food that you gave us, do everything that you told us to do, and then we just get slaughtered. I mean, that's a. That's a bit of a dark analogy, but.
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C
But it's. It fits.
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B
I don't really know how much real freedom we have or what. What our rights really work into.
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C
I mean, me neither, man. Like, I really have no idea. This whole, like. And we'll get into it with the whole Charlie Kirk thing because it's talked about. Like, Joe finds out live on the podcast that he shot, but the amount of conspiracy buzzing around that right now, it's because our government so, like, you know, blatantly lies to our face. So, no, everyone questions everything. No one knows what's real anymore. And it's the fault of our government because they're. They don't care anymore. They're like, yeah, we're so what?
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B
Right?
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C
Go. You know, stop complaining. That's how it feels, man. It's. It's like, this is why everybody is questioning everything because of these Epstein files, because of the. The JFK stuff, the Martin Luther King files, which, like, it's all just. It's all that's never going to come out. And I just feel like the country is more divided than ever. No one trusts anybody. Cash Patel, dude, You see him on TV being like, charlie Kirk, I will see you in Valhalla. Who is. What the. That's our guy.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And he looks like he's on coke. Like, his eyes are bulging. He looks. Ever since he was on Rogan, he looks insane. It's like, I just don't trust anybody.
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B
I mean, he looked a bit insane before, but at least, yeah, he. Before he was seen as a wild man. He was seen as the type of person that couldn't be, like, just completely swallowed by the swamp and then indoctrinated into, well, this is what politics looks like. And then he goes on Rogan, he's like, there's nothing in them. I would release it if I have it. And I'm like, bro, zero percent of the people believe you. That's what I would say. I would say zero percent. And the people that are behind you going, no, no, he's doing a good job. They're probably on the list. That's why they are saying it.
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C
Exactly. And I'm throwing that out there.
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B
Sorry, Cash. Wait, dude, I'm telling you though, I did have a lot of faith. I thought he was a wild man. I thought he was willing to mix it up. I thought he was braver than he was. And look, I'm not saying I'm that brave. I don't want to do that job. I'm sure if I got in, I would make a lot of, you know, I would say a lot of things. I'd be like, oh, I'm gonna do this and this. And then I would meet some very scary people and I would shut the fuck up. I get it. However, I still want to believe that some of these people that are like, trying to do this pursuit and get in these positions are brave enough to stand up. And I think the last person we saw even attempt it is Charlie Kirk. And it's going to put a lot of people off because we just saw what happened and it. I don't want to be conspiracy too much, but it does not seem. And I'm only saying this because I spoke to a couple of Green Berets, snipers, and a dude on the SWAT team. And, you know, I mean, I have to outsource some of that to them because I don't know how any of it works. And they were like, doesn't add up, dude. Okay, time for our weekly stand up comedy wrap up, Alex. I didn't get to any stage shows, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new family freedom offer. Okay, I'm waiting For the punchline. Well, my old phone bill with AT&T was a joke, so I'm doing a whole new bit with T Mobile. They paid off my family's four phones up to $3200 and gave us four new phones on the house. I gotta work this into my routine.
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C
It doesn't. And all we can really do right now is just sit and wait for more information, especially on the shooter. Because I feel like every day it's different. You know, one day he was a transferry, next day he's a. Is a neo Nazi. It's like, I, I think we just need to sit and wait for more information because he's also. Right now he's in custody. He's not saying. People are saying. He's like, not working with anybody. He's keeping his mouth shut. Who knows? It's. It's so weird. This whole thing is so weird.
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B
It's also sad if those types of theories are true.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And then these poor kids, right, that are like, the one that shot Trump. Okay, so we could believe the kid that shot Trump, just shot Trump, did it on his own. No connections. There was no investigation that released anything to anyone. He was just a guy that did it. They killed him and that's the end of it. Who did he work with? Who did he train with? Did he have a team? How did he find the roof? Like, it was the lamest. It's almost like they were just like, yeah, we don't tell you stuff anymore. That's what it was.
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C
Scrubs. No evidence of a past on. On the Internet. Like, no. Yeah.
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B
House professionally cleaned. No. No silverware. So we got to believe somebody that eats with their hands, eat soup with their hands, was able to shoot the President.
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C
He's outside eating grass.
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B
Yeah, just eating grass, dude. Only Taco Bell shit for that sloped roof.
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C
He took the phrase touch grass a little too literally, you know?
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B
Yeah, I don't know, dude. It doesn't add up to me. But again, you know, I don't know about how any of this stuff works, but I will tell you what feels right to me is to have extensive investigations that are somewhat logical. And, you know, I mean, at least they did it with the 911 Commission. And I don't think there's, like, one engineer on the planet that believed anything that they wrote in there.
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C
Yeah, it's.
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B
You know what I mean? But it was, like, a thousand pages. They at least had, like, a huge document that no one would ever read.
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C
Yeah, yeah, that's the point. You know, like, let's just. Even with the JFK thing, it's like the whole. It's like, let's just make, like, a 4,000-Word document about this thing. No one's gonna read that. And we'll just put it out. We made it public. All right? Move on. You know, it happens everywhere, you know, and. Yeah, it's. And. And that's. That's the problem, Adam. You're using your brain when it comes to this, that kind of thinking. Because our, like, dude, the f. We didn't even catch the shooter. His parents turned him in, and then Cash Patel's like, we got him. No, you didn't got him, you idiot. Like.
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B
Like, did you get him? Well, did he just walk up to you? It's not quite who got who.
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C
Yeah, it seems. It seems like. Yeah, it's. It's. I don't know. Seems like if anyone's got anybody, it's. Epstein has Cash Patel by the balls.
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Video of him. I don't know. I don't know what to think, man. I really don't. And, I mean, look, let's. Let's kind of get to the meat of the pod, right? There was a lot that was said. I don't want to take all the attention away from Charlie, but there was a big moment, and it was a bigger moment than when Elon said on the Cash Patel podcast, which I think. Well, I think Elon knew that Cash was on and knows Rogan, so he timed that perfectly, and he was like, trump won't release the Epstein list because he's on a. Bam. Rogan has to ask that question. And Cash just flops like a baby, God bless him. But on this one, they're in the middle of the interview. They went for a piss. It's a. I think two hours. What did I say? Two hours, 50.
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C
2:30, I think.
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B
2:30, maybe 50 seconds, something like that. 2:30. Yeah, they went for a piss, and they came back and There was real shock. And I will say that Rogan did say he only met him once. I'm so bummed that Charlie didn't go on Rogan, especially now, obviously, but Rogan was really shook up by that. And it was. I thought. I thought what Charlie said was. Was awesome, too. I mean, it was great reflection on, like, you should not be killed for speaking your truth, you know?
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C
Yeah. Kill for your opinions is mad as.
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B
People go, I would say. Anyone listening? That is like, Charlie Kirk sucks. I get it. All right? I don't agree with everything he said. Go back and watch some of his videos, though. He would really engage with people. He rarely, like, lost his temper talking to people, and he kept it very calm. And he'd be like, well, why? Explain this and let me explain what I think. And I mean, holy shit. Can we have more conversations like that? But they're like, no, he doesn't agree with me, so therefore he should be quiet or be killed. That's fucking insane. Don't think like that, please. It's bad. I really enjoy having conversations. I had one today for, like, an hour with somebody that is, like, so different than me. So different. And we had a wonderful conversation. And I brought up some points. I wasn't trying to be, like, too edgy, so I wasn't really pushing it, but I was patient to listen. And you know what? I appreciate their angle, and they weren't getting shitty with me, so I was like, let's have a chat. I talk to them again. I would. I got no problem.
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C
I have plenty of friends on both sides of the political spectrum. You know, it's like we're both on the. Like, we're all human. It's not us versus them. You know, we have. We have to accept that we're all people and move forward. It's like, there used to be a time where there could be someone who's a Republican or a liberal, and you're at a bar with them and you can just share a drink and be like, so what? I don't get your side. So can you. You want to just talk about your point of view, and you could just shoot the shit about it and just, like, talk about it instead of, like, this whole fucking. Like, well, you're wrong because of this and that. It's like we're, as a society so divided in where that's, like, in the past now it's like, it's all us versus them, which I don't want to get.
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B
I don't want to get, like, nationalistic But I think, I think that having like, let's take sports games, sports teams, sports games, like I click. But let's take that for example, right? If you're like a Phillies guy, like, you've got your teams and then that you're annoyed with the Ohio guys or whatever the fucking beef is with the different teams, you know, I get that energy, I get it. It's fun. You're like supporting your state, your team. You're not like, you don't need to get aggressive against someone else, but you meet some Phillies guys at the bar and they're your team guys. You're immediately going to be able to hit it off. You got the same shirt on, you're in there, right? And it's not about in and out crowd stuff, but it's like, that's what happens. And there's a way to do it well. But I think that like you were saying, you've got the left and the right arguing amongst each other, but at the end of the day, they can both stop and be like, well, but we love America. It's dope. We live here. This place is awesome. You know, we have our things that we're combating over right now it feels like the left all want to move to Europe or Canada and be like, yeah, it's going to be great over there. Fuck the right, they're a nightmare. And then the right is just like, I don't even know what's going on. It's like, hey, you guys are all Americans. It's okay to be like, let's be pro America. And I will say low key. Figure out who's running the country and is it America?
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C
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B
Honestly, Will, I didn't plan any trips, but I did switch to T Mobile with their new Family Freedom offer.
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C
That's not the itinerary we're following.
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B
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C
Bon voyage.
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B
Just throwing that out there.
- [42:02]
C
Well, there's a great, you know, there's that phrase that's saying divide and conquer, you know.
- [42:10]
B
Yeah.
- [42:10]
C
And it seems like it's at play now. I, I think yes, we have Trump, we have, you know, the, the cabinet, everything else, Congress. But I, I do feel like there are bigger powers at play when it comes to this country. And unfortunately like the victim to it is just society. Like we're fighting while they're thriving and they're the ones causing these problems. They're the ones who don't give a. It's just, and we get, and this could lead us into a whole conversation about these tech billionaires. And you know, we had, we last episode, we had the whole Peter Thiel conversation and Palantir and all that and Israel's effect on, on Trump and the country. It's, it's, it's really, really complex and this. And we need to just like not even over the country or Americans. It definitely helps. But just as people like it, it's like we're, it's, we're not different species. Your political leanings don't mean like the having two parties was one of the worst things we could have done. I really do think so. Like, like our founding fathers were even like, I forget who it was exactly, but was like, hey, this two party system, it's, it's gonna be the downfall in the future. And I think we're kind of seeing that because we're not, we're not handling this as one side. We're, it's such this us versus them mentality and it's dangerous. And his death is being political.
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B
I do feel like if there were even just three parties that, yeah, we can still all argue amongst each other.
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C
Yeah.
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B
But then one leans with one and then goes back and forth and then that's kind of like the way, I mean that's how the parliamentary system works. It's like you can, you can grab seats from other parties and then at least have the majority in some strange way and then kind of push back on government stuff. It's like, I don't think anyone in England is forgetting their English. Right. I'm not saying that they're more nationalistic than the Americans. I think Americans are like really good at being nationalistic. You see flags, you see people real proud of being American. But there's also like this step away from it and they're just like, well, you know, blaming your own country for everything that's happened. I mean, I'm not saying don't take responsibility for fucked up shit that you do. You should, you should do that in your own life.
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C
Also.
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B
I, you know, just show some respect to where you live because I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that you enjoy. That's why you're here. Or fucking move to Canada. You can, you're allowed to.
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C
You could just shut up and move. Yeah.
- [45:09]
B
Yes, it. Well, but there's also the story, you know, that is like, if you don't like something, stay and make some changes. Is. Well, that's reasonable. You could say to yourself, you know what? I don't like how it's going. I'm going to stay here and make a difference. But then, God, I hope you make a difference.
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C
I, I think both options are really fair, like either leaving or staying and making a difference. I, I really do. I think my issue and what I was saying earlier is just like, like before Charlie Kirk's body even went cold, both sides were using it for political reasons, pushing certain agendas, the left and right, unfortunately. And, and it's like, like no one, like, of course a lot of people were able to just sit there and be like, holy, you know, but it's like, even Joe says it when he finds out that he predicted this. Oh, people are going to be celebrating this death. Yeah. And look at. And yeah, he couldn't have been any more right with that, unfortunately. I know, it's like, it's crazy. You know, it's. We're seeing, we're seeing terrible things on, on both sides with this. And just the fact that people are celebrating it is just.
- [46:22]
B
I almost feel like Rogan's not going to do any more political podcasts at all because that's, that's a way to get whacked.
- [46:32]
C
I think we're seeing a major shift in Joe's podcast and it's been happening ever so slightly. We've been talking about it where it's like he's having more tech guys on. And now, you know, especially with the Tim Dillon episode, he's, he's kind of having that realization and Tim's kind of like, you know, walking them to that realization of, hey, I think some of these guys are using your platform, you know, for you to humanize them to the public and for, you know, you to not criticize them. And I think we're starting to see, and this is, I think, a major breakthrough, especially this event. In, like, a new era of this podcast, and I'm excited to see what comes out of it.
- [47:17]
B
Yeah, me too. Me too. Well, look, I got to wrap this up. I got to go to Portugal tomorrow and do a thousand other things before I leave. But, you know, God bless Charlie Sheen. I am glad that he's cleaned up and doing what he's doing. It's kind of unfortunate the Charlie Kirk thing happened during this episode, and we focused on that for a long time, but that's how these shows go. I mean, we're reviewing it. We're just talking about the bits that stood out. You know, I'm not going to sit there for 10 minutes talking about Two and a Half Men when the Charlie Kirk thing happened. Right. I'm going to talk about what makes sense to me. But anyway, I think before we wrap.
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C
This up, I think we forgot to do this last time. We should rate the episode out of 10.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Since we are the review, you know, and I just want to say, as like, a closing thought real quick, I. I do really appreciate how, you know, Charlie was, I think, a little nervous in the beginning, and Joe is just, like, really, like, great at, like, making him feel relaxed. He was like, I kept forgetting words. He's like, it's all right, man. It's, you know, doesn't matter. And it just was, like, a great conversation, a great vibe. I really like the conversation. It felt natural. A lot of interesting subjects. The whole reaction to the death makes this one of the most historic episodes of this podcast for sure. I think I'm gonna give this a 8 out of 10.
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B
Oh, damn. Nice. I was gonna say 6.5, but I like that. I like that you're doing it. Yeah, it was good. I enjoyed it. I mean, look, dude, just having Charlie Sheen on was cool as hell, but. All right, guys, thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you, Brandon, as always. Pleasure. And we will talk to you guys next time.