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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.
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What a bizarre thing we've created now.
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With your host, Adam Thorne.
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This might either be the worst podcast.
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Or the best one. One go.
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Enjoy the show.
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Hey, guys. And welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. My name is Adam, joined by Brandon. What up, doc?
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Great to be back.
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Great.
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All right.
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And this week, yeah, Matthew McConaughey. You have to say that you have. You have to start with that. Yeah. Sitting down with Rogan, I think, for the second time. Got a new book out. Poems and Prayers, I think. Right? Is that what it's called? Yes, it's just about that, anyway. And, you know, McConaughey, he is who he is. He brings in, like, a signature mix of Soul Witness, Texas size takes, you know, brings in some faith, a bit of religion, slightly cynical of the world of AI, I would say. He's. He's. I don't know. He's probably hearing a lot about it and potentially scared, like all of us. But, yeah, it was. It was an interesting episode. And first off, I would like to say thanks for joining the Patreon. Get over to the Patreon. Support us. This week or possibly next week, we're gonna do the elephant graveyard breakdown of kind of the Roman sphere stuff, and we're gonna see what the reception is like on that and hopefully do quite a few more of those. But as always, you get the episodes with no ads and some video, so you can see our handsome faces. But, yeah, we appreciate you, as always, and it really opens up this show to doing a lot of other different things. So keep supporting us.
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That's going to be a lot of fun.
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I think so. I think so. What. What was your. What was your feel overall of this podcast, would you say?
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Yeah, so it's just like. Like, Matthew McConaughey, he's someone you would, like, run into, like, on a beach, stoned or something like, that's kind of the vibe I got from him. And a lot of people agreed. Now, talking about the, like, reception of this episode, just, like, comments alone from, like, Spotify, YouTube, it's a lot of people going, RIP Charlie Kirk. A lot of people still talking about Charlie Kirk, which is interesting since this episode was recorded before his death. So people are. Are really prominent in, you know, talking about and honoring Charlie Kirk. Still in the Rogan comments.
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Yeah, I did see those.
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Yeah, a lot of those. A lot of those. More than, like, anything about Matthew McConaughey, which is funny, right?
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Well, I assumed that they must have been Talking about him quite a lot, but that just wasn't the case. Obviously.
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He's. Yeah, he's not mentioned once, and then it made me realize that this was recorded before. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's. I, I think I did read that somewhere that this was recorded before his death. So. Yeah. So the only real criticism I saw for this episode online was that Joe didn't ask him more about, like, his roles in film, his history, but I believe that was touched on when he was first on the Rogan podcast in, during COVID times. Because I, I know his first appearance was on Zoom, and I, I, it's, it's been so long since I've listened to that.
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Was it, Was it really on Zoom?
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It was.
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So maybe he's had three, because he's definitely been in the studio before.
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Oh, has he? Okay.
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Yeah, I'm almost positive because the first.
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Time, the, the, if, if not, then the time before this, it was when Joe was still in the toaster and it was like from Zoom. Yeah.
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Really? If you look it up on YouTube, 1552. I see it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay.
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And then two weeks ago. So maybe that is the only one. I guess I didn't watch the video of it, but I remember listening to it because he had his other book out, which actually was really quite good. It's a cool, like, philosophy of, of McConaughey.
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I'll check it out. He seems like a really insightful guy, you know, for sure.
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He's definitely very thoughtful. I loved, you know, when Rogan was asking him, like, why did you even make this right? Poems and prayers. It's like faith filled, you know, supposedly quite funny poetry collection on love life, belief, that type of thing. And it's like raw expression, you know, of journalism. He's been doing a lot of writing, a lot of escaping into nature, living in that, like, camper thing he had. And, and you know, what a cool thing to do. I mean, it's easy to get wrapped up in the world of Hollywood and, and taking yourself all too seriously. So I think that even though it gets a bit woo woo sometimes, it's like the best you can hopeful from an A lister that's been very famous for a long time. It's a bit of introspection and reflection and that type of thing. And yeah, he was saying. Yeah, I was, I was getting a bit bitter. You know, it's okay to be skeptical, but you've got to kind of stop on that line because after skeptical, you kind of lose faith and Then you get bitter, and then you start being even angry and kind of having a negative outlook on what the future can bring, and it's just not helpful when you get there, you know?
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Yeah, I, I, I agree fully. And something that I did take away from this podcast was there was just a lot of, like, yacht talk. It just seemed like it's, it's like, you know, they're talking about mansions as I'm, like, cooking SpaghettiOs with a spoon and a lighter, you know, it's like I just, I feel so removed from the conversation, you know, and, and the thing is, what I love about.
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But there's just so many better. Sorry to interrupt. But there's so many better ways to bring up the points that they were trying to make, because they have the same examples from when they didn't have all this money.
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Right.
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And even when they still had that money, you can say things like, yeah, I just left my favorite bow in the tool shed that I just stopped going into because now I'm not doing the woodworking I was doing before. So I miss this. But to say your favorite chairs in your fifth bedroom down the hall on the west wing of your mansion is like, guys, I know your circles are wealthy, and it's obvious you have a lot. You just, we can guess that you have a big house. I, I think it just, I've connected the dots. People feel great. Yeah, we've connected the dots.
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And the whole the painting comment, dude, is, is, yeah, that's my favorite.
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That was my favorite painting. And I never, I'm like, oh, God. Even to have a favorite painting is a bit fancy for me, honestly. I mean, look, I'd love to get to the my favorite painting stage of my life, but I'm, I'm just trying to pay the bills.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I, I told and, and most listeners as well, it's like, I, I, I do see how this episode was a little bit of a turn off for some people, because it starts out with that. And then, of course, you have all the classic, like, Rogan talking points. Of course we go into AI we're going into, like, it's, it's, it's very typical in a lot of these Rogan episodes. And I can see why a lot of people might have been turned off by this, because with, with Matthew McConaughey's life, there's so much to explore. And I feel like, like, we've talked about these same talking points with AI over and over and over, and it's like, I don't know, I kind of. I kind of want to know more about his worldview, even though he does give it in terms of, like, how. What he believes about, like, AI and governing and everything. But I feel like there's. There's. There's more to. There's so much more to talk about. Right. Rogan.
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Rogan was very wealthy when he made the podcast to start with in 2009. He had all of the Fear Factor money, and he, you know, he's a multi millionaire. Nothing compared to what he has today, and definitely doesn't have the audience and the following and the. The ability to kind of influence like he does now. But he was very wealthy. However, what he was was super down to earth, and that's what made this show great. He'd come on and be brave enough to be like, yeah, I'll get stoned right now and talk about mushrooms and DMT and aliens and wacky. He was like, I don't care. Well, over the years, he has got so popular and so influential and taken a lot of criticism at times. That definitely has an effect. And, you know, also is like hobnobbing with presidents, billionaires. You know, he can straight up text message Zuckerberg and Elon if he wants to. You know, it's like, it's just put him in a completely different universe. He's private, jetting around. He's got Navy SEAL bodyguards. It's very difficult then to stay grounded and to really have the types of conversations that most of his audience would really connect to. But the thing is, you could have. He could still have that with more of the gas. It just does seem like two very wealthy, popular people are chatting with each other, which they are. That's what that is. However, I, you know, I didn't. I just didn't feel that connected to it, honestly. You know, I want to hear about the last time you shit your pants. That's fine. You know, be a bit. Be ridiculous with it for a second. You know, I mean, sure, he did talk about taking psychedelic honey on the.
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Episode, so that's mad honey. That's brave.
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Yeah. But at the same time, yeah, it got a little kind of. It was your talk, dude, that. You nailed it with that. We should name this episode Yacht.
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Yacht Talk. Yeah, yeah, Talk that if. If he ever renames the podcast. Yeah. At this point, because it's just like, I feel like the podcast was made so for him to, like, escape that world, you know, a Fear Factor, it's like, all right, you're getting into that Hollywood bubble. What if I just make a show where it's just me and my friends shooting the. Having fun. Let's just get, like, Doug Stanhope on let's all do dmt, where now it's like. It's. It's. I don't know. It's. It's kind of in talk show territory. It. It really is. Like, if you look at, like, the best example of that dude was when he had the Rock on, and it was all the exact same talking points from Fallon, from Kimmel, and it. And it's. It was just like. It was. It was like a. A movie tour. Like a press.
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Yeah, why not? Why not ask? Look, I know he doesn't want to upset people too much, but, like, have a little bit of I don't give a energy because he gives way more of a now. And look, maybe there is a lot of value to that. Like, you don't want to be seen as, like, the Howard Stern shock jog, just making people mad. It's going to close down a lot of. Your opportunity to have good guests on. However, you know, throw out some wilder things, like, say to the Rock, all right, dude, what's your stack? What kind of steroids are you on? Like, we all know it's true. Like, can we just hit that? Like, I don't know, let him be a little bit uncomfortable. I mean, the guy's a billionaire. He can take it even if he wants to deny it and lie. It's like, it tells you something about the person. But, no, none of that. Just like, oh, so cool. So cool that we got to work out together, which, you know, is actually pretty cool. Work out of the Rock, I'm sure.
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Yeah, it's just. It's. It's getting into Joe's psychology in mind here, because you could look at his interviews with politicians, too. The. The real ones he pushes back on, like Bernie, for example, are the ones where it's like, he really doesn't have anything in the race for, like, Bernie's not doing. He's not running. He's just, you know, of course you have Congress and everything, but with Trump and, like, this whole movement, Peter Thiel, all these people that, like, have real power. It's like he doesn't. He. He just likes being able to, like, get food with them, have a chat and not be their enemy, you know? So it's like. Yeah, it's. I kind of wish. I. I wish what. Exactly what you're saying where it's like, you don't have to be Howard Stern, but There is, like a really healthy middle ground, you know.
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Well, I. I would say this, like, he may not be the richest man in the world, but in his own way, if you're talking about pure download numbers, he's the most influential to a particular group of people. And that group happens to be larger than anyone else's group. So the big pushback there is like, wow, whoever listens to Rogan is dumb, Blah, blah, blah. So they're not important. It's a lot of people. And you wait till he makes his show for different languages using AI and it opens up like the Spanish version, the German, the Russian, the whatever. I mean, it's going to go through the roof for sure, because he's just going to connect to every bro. Ish guy on the planet to some degree. It'll be listenable, even if they don't pay too much attention or listen to it every time, but it just will. And if he sees that and says, yeah, I don't have to kiss these rich people's asses, all these celebrities, all these politicians, you know, I could just be exactly who I want to be in these interviews, maybe this is who he wants to be. But if he, if he does, then it just does feel like the show is. Is changing a little bit.
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It does. Yeah. And these string of guests at the same time, like, these past couple months, it's like there's. There's no real episodes besides, like, that Cash Patel episode where it was like, holy, like, I gotta. I gotta, like, get on this as soon as possible. Charlie Sheen had a little bit of that because it's like, oh, my God, you know, Charlie Kirk. And there was the whole reaction also, like, Charlie Sheen never being on Rogan before that. And it's just. Oh, yeah, really, he's just such an interesting character. And to hear him. To hear him talk about his drug use and, like, acting career and. And everything he went through was really interesting. But other than that, it's been like, a lot of, like the amount of times we've talked about AI on this podcast and the Epstein files and like, it's. It's just. It's getting to the point where it's getting a bit repetitive. You know, of course there's a lot to enjoy for sure, and I always love listening to these episodes, but I, I can't lie to myself and say that there's. There's nothing about these that are repetitive, you know?
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Yeah. Rogan's always had a bit of the repetitive feel, and I think in a lot of ways People find that comforting. It's like, often when you hang out, like, you've done stand up, right?
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Yeah.
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You know what open mic is like when they're again together or comedians just to talk shit. They do talk about a lot of the same stuff, like, week after week now. Hopefully they make it interesting or funny. What I used to love is there was a lot of complainers in that space and that. You can see where they were pulling their comedy from. They're like, I can't pay these bills, or my girlfriend sucks, or like, they're just mad at everything and. But it was very similar for particular people. Rogan has always had that. You know, whether it's hunting Bigfoot, aliens, you know, ancient, the pyramids, you name it just gets right into that. It's just a. It's just a little rough when it's like, I want to hear about McConaughey and what he's up to. And then we talk about AI for an hour.
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Yeah, ex. That. That. Like, you hit the nail on the head with that. Yeah. Because they're are these guests that come on and they have so much, like, interesting history to them, and it's like. Yeah, that's cool. Like, you know, there's a lot to talk about with AI for sure. Especially how they're talking about AI governing and everything, which is happening in Albania, which.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
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And. And there's. There's so much to talk about because AI Public. Public.
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Something Minister. Like public relations minister or something.
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Yeah, it was so I. It. It was. And people were, like, throwing. They were so pissed. Like, it was. It was crazy. It was. I'm gonna have to dive into that rabbit hole after this episode, but just.
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Think about that for a second. Right? Somebody programmed it, right. I don't know if that's the chat GPT version of something, but it's like, that's a different country. And whoever made that software, in a sense, kind of controls that politician. I mean, we like to think that they just make the software and then they give it to someone and it's like, right, your job now is to be the minister and. Of Albania and care about Albania. Go. And then that's the. But I mean, how is it getting its answers? How. Like, how easy would it. Or difficult is it to, like, hack that? And then you've, like, hacked the mind of a politician. Yeah, you.
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You used to be able to, like, you know, hack like, fucking like Halo 2. Now you can hack, like, countries, like, whole countries, governments.
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Their idea is that they're gonna, you know, it's gonna be more subjective.
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Yeah.
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You know, maybe less like party line driven. And also, you can't bribe them because they don't need money. But I'm like, I got a feeling they're going to find other ways to hack right into that thing.
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I. I agree. And it's just not, it's. It's not what governments should be doing at all. Especially this early in AI's development. And even ChatGPT gets stuff wrong all the time.
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All the time. How long do you think that before we see AI robot cops that can arrest and potentially even like, shoot the kill? Now, is this like 50 years away or is it like 10, 20? I mean, these guesses are hard to.
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Do, but I'm thinking, I'm thinking 70. I'm thinking 70 because it's like you're.
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Just trying to get it passed after you're dead. Well, you know that.
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How nice would that be? Yeah. That you saw right through me. Yeah. But it's just, I know that it's not a technology race with that. I think it's more of like. Yeah. Once it gets made, you know how long that would take to like, actually, like, get on the field, like get on the ground? Because people would push back so hard on that. It's like, I like, dude, I've seen iRobot, you know.
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Yeah. But it really depends. Honestly. It's all about the presentation. And if, if you, like, interact with one and it's like super helpful and courteous and, you know, it's like really good at saving people or just doing something that's way different than, you know, a cop. And who knows, maybe they're less scary. Like, cops sometimes, for a lot of people are quite scary. A quite formidable, buff character, especially in the US they all seem roided up, ginormous. Most of the cops, and they just walk into an area and they got to be real serious because, you know, they deal with all day. So they're to have something just kind of like friendly, like, hey, I'm here to help and serve. What do you need help with? And then they're just also, like, taking care of bad guys. Working 24 hours a day. Just the streets are like five times as safe on, like, the south side of Chicago. So, like, really quick, you could actually stop to get behind it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like there's.
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Until it starts chasing after your car and it's, you know, armed, has turned into a crowbar. You know, it's like 100.
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Yeah, 100.
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It's it's. It's. Oh, time will tell. I. I don't know how the public would perceive that, because in pop culture, like, every movie about that is how it goes wrong. You know, it's like the whole Jurassic park thing where we have, like, the woolly mammoth coming back, the direwolf, and everyone's like, no, Jurassic Park. We. Let's not do this again. So I don't know. I think it's one of those things where people saw iRobot, people saw Terminator, and they're like, you know what? Let's just keep to the. The racist Boston police officers. You know.
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You might be right. Yeah, you might be right.
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But it's.
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It's hard to know. But, you know, we're not also taking any of our morality from movies. Like, they're. They're just. Or books even, you know, think of, like, George Orwell's 1984 and, you know, the other Brave New World book. And it's like, yeah, they're good to, like, bring up and. And be like, look, we're going towards this place with this legislation or this thing. But it just. I. I don't know if that forewarning, the hypothetical forewarning is all that powerful to stop it. I mean, we. I just saw a robot hand recently that was, like, moving like this, like, no problem. Spinning a pen, lighting a lighter. And they took the glove off, and it was straight up. The Terminator hand, it looked exactly the same.
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I saw that. Dude, that was insane.
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How long until they got the rest of the body?
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The amount of guys being like, how could I buy one, like, right now, you know.
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Depends how strong it is.
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Yeah, you don't want that thing ripping your dick off, you know, but ex.
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100%.
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That'd be.
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Yeah, but what's that? Who's that superhero from the Marvel on Bucky? He just. He's a regular guy that just has one robot arm. Yeah, that's his whole thing. One arm. In fact, I don't know how he just doesn't get killed instantly by anyone just because you've got a cool robot arm. But I think people would take strong arms and legs, like, in a second. Imagine that. It's like, it will never run out. We just chop your arm off, give you a way better one. You literally can, like, bench £500.
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B
Well, we're getting into some Peter Thiel territory here, you know, Some transhumanism territory, you know?
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Well, we. We need to cover that. He was brought up on this episode.
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Yeah. Which people call Peter Teal Rogan's handler, you know, with, with in the past how much Rogan has like, kind of glazed him. And people are, are speculating. Huh. It's weird how a lot of these random guests who come in are associates of Peter Teal, you know, but it's nice to see Rogan kind of like, you know, make fun of him a little bit and not. It's like, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Because a lot of people are like, creating this narrative. And to see Joe kind of break that is. Is nice, you know.
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Oh, I wonder if that's why you brought him up. Just to kind of like make it clear that he's not fully in his pocket, but he does appreciate who he is. I mean, honestly, him, you know, they played that clip and it was him being asked if the human race should continue, and he didn't answer right away. And the report to push back really quickly. I mean, you know, Rogan was like, look, he likes to think. He likes to think about these things and it's, it makes sense. However, you need to answer that one real fast. There's a lot of questions like that you need to answer real fast.
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B
It's like, Pete, say no first and then think about it. You know, it's like if someone's like.
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Do you think women are dumb? And you take a long time to even like, create your answer, it almost suggests that you think that is true. So you have to immediately start with, no, of course I don't. Then pause, then take five minutes to think of your fancy billionaire answer and clear it up for us.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's one thing like, you know, we talked about it with Elon, how sometimes he'll take a while to like, come up with a, an answer because he's like, messing with all these concepts in his head, all these concepts in his head, and you kind of hear them out loud going through it. But these people have to learn to like, answer with a one word question and then give their whole analysis, you know, because if they're taking forever to just give it a yes or no answer, it's like, well, what the were you thinking?
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Right?
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B
What do you really feel about this? What, what, what caused you to hesitate? Because that's something where the, the like, you know, the no answer is like, really troubling.
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Right?
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It's not like, it's not that. It's not like a question, you know, do you like strawberry ice cream? It's. This is like, yeah, a really serious question.
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It's like, oh, the billionaires Actually don't care if any of us survive. And they might not even care if they survive. That's the kind of answer that people were assuming he was giving.
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B
Yeah.
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Like, yeah, it's not important that we all live. It's whatever comes next. And I'll probably be there because I'm one of the billionaires. Is.
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B
It's.
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Is how it comes across.
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B
Honestly, in this day and age, it is really scary to see, like, billionaires talking about that in the open, because it makes you think, what the. Are they talking about behind closed doors? You know, And I. I do want to touch on this. You mentioned how Joe maybe is talking about this to, like, kind of clear the air that he's not, like, so associated with Peter Teal. Tim Dillon. When Tim Dillon was last on. We talked about this, how Tim Dillon's like, yeah, I'm not with Peter Teal because I want to be able to criticize him, you know, And I think that might have inspired Rogan to push back a little bit. And I think we're seeing it on this episode.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, they talked about him doing that satanic. What was it? The Antichrist wasn't say to Antichrist. Like, lecture tour. It's like, wait, what do we. Is this gonna be on YouTube? Do we get to watch this? What. What are you talking about? Like, what are you talking about?
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B
And then Duncan Trussell went to it. Yeah, it's. It's. It's crazy, man. Duncan Trussell.
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Oh, Duncan's been taking some. Yeah.
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Oh, that's. Hey, and to plug Patreon, we'll get into that whole thing because that. It comes from elephant graveyard. Because elephant graveyard called out how he, like, warned Rogan, like, hey, these. These billionaire people might take advantage of you to use your platform. And Rogan's like, well, just. We'll just let. Why. Let's just get high, dude. Yeah, we'll just hug him, man. I'm just trying to talk. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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B
So, yeah, it's. It's a mess, man. Like, it's weird times.
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Do you think. Do you think that it, like, to him. To Rogan or to really anyone that would talk to a billionaire. Do you think it is, like, you just get the sense that you're talking to, like, a king or an emperor. I mean, they're so wealthy and so powerful. Do you think that it's almost, like, addictive because they can offer you anything in a split second? And I bet they use that all the time to get whatever they want from people. They'd be like, yeah, we'll fly you out, you know, I'll buy you a castle made of gold. It's all good. Just come on out. Have you ever had Blue Lobster? It's like anything and you're just, like, blown away. They're like, have this painting. It's a Picasso. Not a big deal. Just take it. It's rubbish.
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And then you put it in a room and forget about it, you know?
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Oh, well, your fifth bedroom, obviously. Well, it was us. You're just living in your car with a Picasso in the back.
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It's like, on the ceiling.
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A
That's sick. Right. You got your Tinder date next to you. You're like, ah, my phone's about to die. I need to plug it in.
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B
I don't have a sunroof. I have a Picasso roof. Awesome. Yeah, so. So, of course, AI, Peter Teal are talked about quite a lot and. Well, Peter Teal's mentioned briefly, but AI is talked about quite a lot also. I thought that was really interesting, was the whole Ten Commandments, religion topic.
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A
Yeah. Where did you think they were going with that? It seemed like McConaughey was kind of into it, Rogan was unsure, and then they wanted to, like, splice it up, which, like, dude, no, you don't. Like, you just don't get to do that. The religions will get mad.
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B
Yeah, it's a really tricky area to like, like, especially in education. Religion. Education's so important when it comes to, like, if religion, if any of that is involved, you know, because then it contradicts other people's beliefs and it upsets families. I don't know, man. I think every religion should be taught in store. And because. Because religion is so prominent in humanity's history.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Some of the. I. I think the most bloodshed ever has been from religion. So it's like, it's. It needs to be taught. It needs to be taught. I think Christianity, Paganism, Judaism, every, like, every Buddhism, it should all be covered because it is interesting. Like, it is interesting stuff. Whatever you are, if you're. You say you're the Antichrist or whatever the fuck a billionaire. Satanic. It's still. It's still interesting stuff. No matter how much you. You might not believe in some of these things. Like Buddhism's very interesting. Paganism. Paganism is very interesting as well. And I think learning some of these religions is. Is really good. Is really good.
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A
Let me ask you this. Like, so back in the day, they had the Greeks, their religion, right at Zeus and all the gods, multiple gods. And I Assume it was different than the Roman version because they had all their gods that were similar in nature. They were named after planets and all the rest of it, like one. I wonder what the differences between the two were. Right?
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B
In general.
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A
But since nobody follows either of those anymore, who was the last guy to follow Eva? The very last guy. He's like, born. He's like, yeah, I still pray to Zeus. And everyone's like, what, Ned? Well, you're still doing that one. It's like there literally had to be a last person that followed those.
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B
Dude, there. There probably still are. Like, I feel like. And. And I'll say this here. Like, I think there are a good amount of people who still, like, worship Zeus. Really? I. I truly do think that.
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A
Yeah, Well, I. I would imagine there's some that follow the Viking religion because that's sounds fun. Dude.
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B
There's those. Those like, you know, those Christmas praying.
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A
To Thor and just being like sick Vikings.
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B
That's badass. Yeah, I mean, pray to give me like a six pack or something. I don't like.
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A
Yeah, he.
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B
Dude, those like crystal pagan people, like the, the, like the witches or whatever.
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A
Witches, yeah, for sure.
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B
Yeah. I'm like, I want to say like an.
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A
Maybe that's all it was. Maybe that it was just that those religions slowly turned into a different religion and we forgot now that those are connected.
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B
You know, it was just one long game of password.
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A
Who knows? I mean, think Rome is right in the middle of Italy and that's the Catholic Church, like the biggest sect of Christian religion, I think. And that's. So that would have taken over from the gods. And, you know, I'm sure to kind of ease the. The shock of it and. And also keep your support up, you have to take on things from the previous religion areas that people appreciate. So maybe that's all that happens. It just slides it in and they're like, look, all these different gods. That's too much to keep track of. We can control these people way better if we just have one God and then we just get them over that.
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B
Well, it's interesting. Paganism is one of the. I. I'm not pagan, by the way, just to clear. Just to establish that, but I.
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A
It was starting to sound like you were a little bit.
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B
That's. I. It really was getting that way. Maybe I. I'm gonna start doing talks on paganism or something, but like Peter Thiel does on the Antichrist. Yeah, pretty good.
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A
But I think it's a lot of bonfires. It's just like a lot of bonfires.
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B
So paganism, it's. It's like one of the earliest religions. And there's a God called the Horn to God. And the whole thing is that Christianity took that and was like. It's, it's. There's an evil devil, Satan thing. It's underground. If you do bad, it's going to pull you under and torture you for eternity. And look, these pagans, they worship it and then they're like, what. This is just like the. The God of, like, nature. And. And they're like, burn them all. And that's kind of what happens in a lot of cases. I mean, that's demonized.
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A
Excellent, excellent propaganda right there. That's the way to do it, you know. Gotta make. Gotta make your adversaries your enemy immediately. That's, that's. That's really the move.
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B
And I'm not trying to contradict religion, like anyone's religion.
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A
No, but it was just like some kind of horned creature.
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B
It was literally called. It's. Yeah, it's like, not even. It doesn't even have a name. It's just called like the Horned God. And I. And like, it's. It's been a while since I've, like, looked into paganism, but it was like, it's. I think it represents nature or something. I'll have to look into it. But yeah, priests, everyone's like, starting Christianity, starting these, like, big religions. Saw that and they're like, okay, so you know how there's been like a drought? It's these people worshiping the devil, as you can see, horned God, Satan. And they're like, all right, let's just burn them. It. So that's what pretty much happened. I, like, I live a little over an hour from Salem, so I've. I was actually like. Like, I think I promoted last episode the. The Salem Comedy Festival. I was just on it and I was like, doing some tours of Salem and was no learning about paganism. The. The whole witch trial that happened. It was some interesting stuff. But yeah, like, there's some really cool religions out there. There are.
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A
And did they talk about the potential that ergot got in the wheat and things, the. That psychedelic? Because that's what they think happened out there. Right. So Ergot is a lot like lsd and I think it grows on wheat.
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B
Interesting.
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A
So it's like a fungus or something. I'd have to look it up. And yeah, if you consume it, you know, you trip. So it was like the whole town was tripping and they were like, well, clearly I'm tripping because all these women of witches. So let's burn.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They didn't cover that at all.
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B
They didn't. No. I, I, that's, that's probably, that's probably, like, a reason for sure. Like the whole witch trial thing and the whole burning witches, it's been around for ever, you know, like, not just Salem, but, like, there's so, like, medieval times. There are so many instances. So that could have been, like, an isolated incident for sure, you know?
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A
Yeah, true.
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B
But. But that makes a lot of sense.
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A
I'm glad we're past the burning stages of people. That sounds completely unnecessary.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's a good step in humanity.
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A
It's definitely one of the better ones now.
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B
Now, do you think they were talking about, like, implementing the Ten Commandments in school? I believe, which is funny because Joe's like, yeah, I believe in them, and then said like, God damn it, ten minutes later. Yeah, that's a big one, right? You can't use the Lord's name in vain, I believe.
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A
I think so. Well, maybe, maybe he hasn't done his research on the whole 10 yet, but he, he did read them off on the episode, so he was, he was getting caught up.
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B
And they're pretty straightforward. Like, I, I agree with, like, most of them. Some of them are a little, like, specific in, like, whatever. Like, yeah, Lord's name in vain. And it's like, only believe in one God. It's like, well, yeah, yeah, it's, it's. I don't know. I feel like it's solid. But at the same time, if you do implement that in schools, the whole, believe one God and the whole, like, don't use the Lord's name in vain might contradict other religions of other kids who, like, their parents brought them up one way and then school saying, well, who the. You know, like, someone who's like, maybe into, I don't know, the, like the Indian. You know, the eight arms, whatever. It's.
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A
It's like, oh, the Hindus.
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B
Yeah, hint. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's like, that could upset a lot of people if it's like, yeah, just believe in one God and.
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A
Well, here's, here's the problem. Right. It's like, there's one major motivation for religions always, which is to try and get everybody to be religious, like your religion. Now, I don't actually. I think Judaism is not like that. They're not trying to convert people. They're just their own group, and they want to support that group and and, you know, in a lot of ways, I actually think that that is kind.
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B
Of a better philosophy.
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A
It's like, represent yourself through your religion. You know, if, like, I've known Mormons when I was in high school, they were super nice. They were really nice people. I'm like, you know what, you're representing your religion pretty well. It's not like I'm judging everyone based on everything they're doing, but, like, you know, I would notice how polite they are and respectful of things. And that was just my experience. Maybe people have terrible ones with moments, but I don't know. But this whole idea that, you know, you have to just spread the. Spread the. The word. You know, it's one thing that, like, Mormons will go kind of door to door and they go on their missionary things, but when you start kind of like aggressively enforcing your ideas on people, that's going to be problematic. And when you're looking at something like a school, it's like, well, I guess it's kind of like a workplace. It's like a place to teach you things that you're going to use to get a job. So it's reasonable to say that religion doesn't need to be in there, which is why we have that separation of church and state. And, you know, there's kids that are raised not religious at all. So what are they supposed to think when they go into these institutions and they're like, oh, yeah, we're going to teach you about these four religions. And like, these are all the tenants of them. Unless it's set up as a kind of like the history of time or just like something you should know. Like, taking a religious class is something we had to do in England growing up, and it taught us a lot about different religions, and it was quite interesting. It's a lot like a history class. It kind of walks you through their timeline and then also what they think and what they believe in. But it's not like anyone teaching us was trying to indoctrinate us into that religion.
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B
I think that's.
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A
That obviously is problematic.
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B
I think that's really cool. I never got anything like that in the States. It was never like, here's a class that's going to teach you about religion and all the different religions. I think that's really well needed. But at the same time, I remember being a kid and like, questioning God for the first time. And it's like, is it just like all darkness when we die? And it's like, it's really scary if you're a kid and you believe in these things and then someone sits down and like, actually there's like 200 religions, you know, and then the kid's going, wait. So that's like a 1 out of 200 chance that I'm like, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, and it might, it might. Because being a kid, it's like the what? When you start questioning religion for the first time, it's serious. It's not like. And whatever really you up because you live your whole life being like, oh, I guess I'll never really die. Right.
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A
Were you raised religious?
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B
Yeah, Catholic. Catholic, right, yeah. Boston.
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A
Yeah. See, I wasn't. I was raised by atheists slash agnostics. So I was really afraid of death early on when I was very, very young. I remember thinking that all my parents were hippies. So they were always talking about like pollution as well, like ozone layer and like, you know, car admissions and like they were just hippies like that. So I thought everything was trying to kill me. And when I die, it's just black now. I didn't really have the concept of like. No, it's more like when you're sleeping, you don't really remember. I was just scared, like scared of that idea of death. And I don't know how that would change anything for me later. I did become a Catholic for my first wife that I married when I was married at 27. But when I was like 25, I started going through the process. You like go to church and they teach you the things. You go to the class and they baptize you, that whole thing. And we, I had, you know, it was important to do it to get married in a Catholic church. But I was into learning about it. I wasn't against it. So it's kind of like an odd age to like delve into something.
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B
It's usually happens.
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A
Yeah, I had the opposite experience almost than you did. But it does make me think about it. I mean, I have a 19 month old and one day she does ask me like, what happens when you die. It's like I'm going to Santa Claus the out of her. I'm going to say a guy comes and brings you presents and it's all amazing. It's like there's certain things you don't need to. I mean also, I don't know. Right. So if I. Anything that I tell it could be equally as true. I have no idea what happens afterwards. But it doesn't mean if I don't raise her under a religion that I have to also create this like nightmare of just like you're buried in the ground and it all goes black. It's like, no.
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B
And then that's it. Gone forever. Yeah, it's, it's, it is scary as to a kid. And I remember first questioning religion, like really being freaked out. So I think if they do teach religion in school, it should be like way later. It should be way later.
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A
Because high school.
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B
Yeah. Because you don't want that. Yeah. I think that's going home being like, wait, what the fuck? You know, what is, what is, you know, Buddhism and what is all this stuff? What does that mean? Do they go to their own religion? Like, it is so confusing and it's like just earth shattering to so many people when like they learn stuff like that and they're a kid and they think that, oh, every. I remember being a kid and learning that there's people who don't believe in God and I'm like, how do you not believe that? Like, I couldn't comprehend that, that you can't. That just people that don't believe in God. You know, it's like, you know, you believe in God.
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A
Well, like it would be the same thing with mathematics or evolution or any of the things if people, if your parents and your teachers don't teach you that it's real and it exists. You don't even know. It's like I knew what people thought God was. You know, I would see it in movies or I could describe it. And I'm sure anytime I asked my parents, especially my dad, he would have been like, yeah, I don't believe that's real. It's probably just fairy tales. And then I'm like, oh, okay, I guess that's not real then. I mean, how the else are you supposed to find it? This is why I always struggle with that whole idea that like, like you get, you get exposure to it and then it's like it's about letting them into your heart and then like really feeling it and then being there. And it's like, yeah, but what happens if you would like always taught it was a bit of a fairy tale? How would you change that? Like, unless you're really good at either one, tricking yourself or two, just being able to change your own mind. But I don't know, it's like once I learned the world was round, I don't think someone could persuade me. It's flat. Right? And I'm not saying that is the same exact connection. It's just, I'm saying it's from one way of thinking to something very different. And it just. It's a difficult transition.
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B
It is. And it just cements in your, you know, belief. It's like, it's almost like trauma where the. The longer you have it, it's like cement that gets harder and harder, you know, where I guess you can make the same connection with something like that, where it's like, how do you just undo all that that's have. That's like, has built up over time.
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A
Yeah. And also, you know, I say stay open to things always. Like, life changes. I mean, Rogan started going back to church or going to church. You know, this is real new, and there's going to be influences of that coming into the show for sure. And I think people do explore these things again or at least open the question again later in life, because life just changes. And you're like, well, where am I going next? Or what kind of communities do I want to be a part of? You know, I've seen it a lot with drug addicts, too, that they, along with their sobriety, they find this new kind of community that's really embraces them and they feel that it will help them stay clean. And then they. They're like, that. Some addicts get so desperate, man, they're looking for anything that can help them, and when they find it, they're going to believe in that thing a lot. And I don't begrudge him for that. I'm like, good, go do your thing.
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B
Christianity is. Is a great way for people to, like, get off that, like, wagon, you know, get off that train of, like, just alcoholism. There's so many stories of people being like, yeah, I was like, up. I was drinking hand sanitizer and I was. I was trying to get drunk any way I could. Then I found the Lord. It's. It's like, that's the whole, like, 12 step program or whatever.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Where it's like, it's just a gateway to born again Christianity.
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A
So true. All right, well, let's call this one for today. I mean, overall, what do you rate this one? If you're gonna give it a. What are we doing? Out of 10 out of 10? What's our rating system? All right.
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B
Out of 10 out of 10. I'm gonna give this a solid six out of 10.
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A
Yeah. Gonna say six.
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B
Yeah, gonna say six.
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A
I. I did have slightly higher hopes for it. You know, it doesn't take anything away from McConaughey, but the yacht talk lost. Lost some valuable points on this one.
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B
For me, the Hollywood bubble has, like, never been thicker, you know? So true.
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A
All right, well, appreciate it. And, guys, thanks for listening. And gals, and we will talk to you next time.
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B
See you next week.