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Jeff
Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.
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Zoe
Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?
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Jeff
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Adam Thorne
So, Dana.
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Zoe
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Sean
Nice.
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Zoe
Je free.
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Adam Thorne
You heard them.
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Jeff
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Adam Thorne
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Zoe
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Adam Thorne
Visit t mobile.com you're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience review. What bizarre thing we've created now with your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one. One go. Enjoy the show. Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. Quick shout out to our Patreons. Thank you so much for supporting us. I hope you've had a chance to check out our new review of elephant graveyards. Video of him getting all butt hurt about the Rogan sphere. Jump on Patreon. Become a member, support the show. And check that out. We've got new stuff coming out every week. This week we have Sean in the studio. What's up, Sean?
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Sean
How's it going? Thanks for inviting me.
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Adam Thorne
Yep, it's going good, buddy. And we are reviewing Duncan Trussell, a fan favorite.
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Sean
I love Duncan.
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Adam Thorne
He's the best.
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Sean
The episodes with Joe with Duncan are. Are always legendary and I feel like they talk about kind of the most pressing stuff relevant at the moment always.
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Adam Thorne
And in the best way too.
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Sean
And the outfits always are hilarious.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. What are they priests this time?
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Sean
They're priests. Yeah, they used to be furries. Also AI robots. Also like astronauts. And I like the one where Duncan dressed up in a ghillie suit. I can't remember which one that one was, but that was a couple years ago. Those were good.
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Adam Thorne
They were medieval doctors once like plague era doctors.
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Sean
I like that And I feel like Duncan's a regular guest, but he's. They break it up enough that it's like, once every, like, couple years or something like that. And so it's like. I'm sure that they talk outside of the podcast a bunch and catch up, but at least for listeners, it feels like they're kind of catching up on what's going on in the world.
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Adam Thorne
For sure. For sure. I want to start with a little clip from that episode and. Yeah, we'll delve right into it. Why don't they release that fucking list?
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Sean
Huh?
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Adam Thorne
I don't mean to divert this to the Epstein list. I just meant to ask you, isn't it weird? It's a little odd, what's going on? What's. I keep thinking, what could be in that list? What's in there? What bit of information is in there? Well, here's the thing.
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Sean
The list.
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Adam Thorne
Exactly what is in there?
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Sean
I mean, you certainly dove straight into the deep end on this one. That was quite funny. Yeah, I think we all kind of. A lot of people know what's in the list, but I think, yeah, it's people in the government. It's people that. A lot of celebrities. It's foreign government people. And I think a lot of it. I don't know all the facts, but it seems a lot like he was some sort of agent for Israel, like part of the Mossad. Because this guy kind of came out of nowhere. A lot of people have said that his connections to, like, the business world are, like, bullshit and, like, he. He just, like, popped up and all of these people know him and all this stuff. But, yeah, the massive pushback against releasing the list is absolutely the most infuriating thing as a. As a citizen. Like, did you. Did you watch the interview with the FBI, Patel, the latest one in Congress? It was a couple weeks ago.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, I saw some of it.
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Sean
Yeah. Just insane. It's like this dude, before he gets. Before Trump's elected, he's like, they need to release the list. They need to release the list. And then he is literally in the position to release the list, and he's like, I'm releasing as much as I'm allowed to. And, like, all this stuff and just.
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Adam Thorne
It just shows that there's, like, other. To me, it shows that other people run things. Yeah, all of this is just like, they're just characters, actors put into place to do kind of some stuff, but they're just the people that are there. And ultimately there's a bigger game at play, you know, and People don't wanna believe it. They wanna be like, ah, that's conspiracy. I'm like, do you really think the president runs everything? Honestly, the guy that just comes in for four years? Because if he did, or her, then he could destabilize the whole country. Right?
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
They're not gonna let that happen. They've got a massive machine running, and they don't need anything getting in the way of that. Yeah, it's just gonna keep on ticking. And that's also the Epstein thing. Seems like the most genius blackmail plan of all time.
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Sean
Oh, it makes total sense.
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Adam Thorne
I think what Duncan was saying, Spot on. That some of these massive donors are wrapped up in that.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
They're the people you would want to wrap up. And it's like, hey, don't release that list. I will cut all of your funding forever.
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Sean
Yeah. And if you're in that position, that's a pretty tough one to cause. You could just ignore it and life goes on. Your normal life in Congress or wherever. Just life goes on.
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Adam Thorne
But yeah, it is crazy that all of those Republicans voted against it and all of the other Democrats voted to release it. And then it's like, wait a second. How can any of those Republicans live with themselves? You literally are protecting pedophiles. There's no other answer there.
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Sean
It's the same.
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Adam Thorne
How are they justifying that?
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Sean
It's the same thing in the FBI, you know, and then they try and play it off and all this wordsmith stuff. And like, the interview with FBI is hilarious because there's like a congressperson from somewhere in California and he's like, asking him good questions. Like, he's like, on his shit. You could tell he was probably like a lawyer at some point. Like, he knows how to drill somebody. But then he just starts going after him personally. He's like, you're a terrible representative. What you've done for your state is terrible. And it's like, that's not helping the conversation at all. Like, just answer the fucking questions.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Sean
You know, it's just. It's so.
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Adam Thorne
But it's a defensive strategy.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
It's like throw the person off. You know, it's like when little kids are like, yeah, but you're fat.
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Sean
Yeah. It's like, I don't.
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Adam Thorne
Unrelated.
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Sean
I don't care. Like, this guy's policies might suck. He might be one of the worst representatives ever, but he still asks good questions that I care about and I want them answered.
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Adam Thorne
Exactly. You know, he's not on trial right now. You are.
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Sean
Yeah, exactly.
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Adam Thorne
Answer the questions, the fact that they don't have to answer them is the joke to me. Yeah, it's like they just get to sit there and be like, yeah, I can't talk about that. I'm afraid. Say what?
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Sean
They're like, nah, we're just gonna shut down the government.
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Adam Thorne
We gotta shut it down. Yeah, we gotta shut it down. Well, let's start out. I mean, this episode, everyone knows Duncan needs no introduction. Midnight Gospel creator, like, the guy, he's always on one of Rogan's oldest friends. Mobs. AI, DNA, Epstein, Covid. Chaos. That's like, the things they went over. Let's start with mob mentality. They got into that, and they made some great points. I mean, Rogan did, for sure. We were talking before the show about what's going on in California and how people are chasing down the ice people. There's a lot of pushback. People are getting upset, you know, and, you know, Rogan made an interesting point about, like, how people just kind of join in. Like, there's people kicking cars that would have never. That ordinarily would never do it. And it's like, it feeds into this, like, primal energy, you know? I think. What did he say exactly? It's like ancient war patterns. I thought that was excellent, and I think it's very true.
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Sean
Yeah, I know. It definitely does. And it's heightened. I mean, it's. You know, like, when you're a kid, you know, you take some teenager, they're like a normal person. You know, you sit down and talk with them. They're chill. But then you get like three or four of them that are about the same age that are all friends, and, like, they're just absolutely nefarious. And, like, the shit that they'll get themselves into are crazy. And, like, that's not to say that those kids are violent, but it's just like. Yeah, people get together and emotions get intertwined and things get heated and, like, it just compounds and compounds.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah.
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Sean
And then you have that with hundreds of people that are, like, fired up about something, you know, it's insane. It can be crazy.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, with.
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Sean
And then there's a lot of people that take advantage of that, you know, like, there's a lot of people that take advantage of the riots and then, like. Like go out looting and all this shit. It's like they just kind of detract from what people are protesting against.
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Adam Thorne
Right. They love the chaos and, you know.
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Sean
Violent protesters, of course, but.
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Adam Thorne
But we've also seen those agent provocateurs that they are documented. They show up to peaceful protests, they destabilize them, they cause trouble, they make it violent so the police can take action and then fuck up the whole thing. And that's like. That's a process. That's a whole angle, or, like, straight.
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Sean
Up, just fund the other side. Like, fund the resistance. You know, that happens all the time.
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Adam Thorne
It's wild stuff, man. Yeah.
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Sean
I do want to say something, though. Did you notice Duncan was wearing a Palantir hat?
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Adam Thorne
Was he really?
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Sean
Yeah, the whole interview, he's wearing a Palantir hat, which I'm hoping is just a joke. Like, I'm hoping that it's just a joke. But he did. He did mention it one time because they briefly mentioned Peter Thiel. Just said his name, and then he's like, yeah, shout out, palantir my hat. But I was. I hope it's a joke. I hope it's a joke.
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Adam Thorne
Well, here's the thing. So elephant graveyard. I don't know if you know who that is, but it's like comedy documentary style. He does, like, these little shorts, these videos that are, like, well edited, well put together. He knows a lot about, like, the Rogan Sphere space. He did a breakdown of a bunch of comedy specials, including Rogan's. And he just kind of shits on everybody, right? And within the Rogan Sphere thing, he shit on Duncan quite hard. And it really affected Duncan. He was basically saying, he's a sellout. He's lost. He's just, like, bought in with the billionaires. And Peter Thiel was the main example because he was, like, very defensive about him.
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Sean
Well, I heard also that he went to, like, one of his conventions about the Antichrist.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah, the lectures.
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Sean
Yeah, he went to one of those lectures which, like, again, maybe he's just, like, playing into it and being, you know, curious and whatever. And I think, honestly, if anything, I hope to think that it's just an ironic thing to wear a Palantir hat during this entire conversation.
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Adam Thorne
I think he's fucking around.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I think he's pushing back at the elephant graveyard without mentioning elephant graveyard. Cause, dude, they didn't bring up elephant graveyard for a reason. They don't wanna give it more press than it needs. But that video's had, like, 3 million views.
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Sean
It's a big video. I haven't seen that one.
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Adam Thorne
And Duncan made a response, a reaction video to it, like, trying to defend himself and push back. And it was clunky and odd and it just was.
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Sean
They usually are. Yeah, those YouTube apology videos.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, well, it wasn't an apology. It was, like, defending this. I don't know. It was. It was. It just didn't make a lot of sense. But listen, at the end of the day, I don't think Duncan's lost. I think he's great. I think he's the same great guy. And, you know, it's easy to demonize these billionaires, and then you hang out with them, and then you're a bad guy because you, like, don't think they're pieces of shit. It's like, hold on. People can also be billionaires and not necessarily be pieces of shit. I don't know for sure. I haven't hung out with any billionaires, but I've got a feeling that is reasonable to assume.
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Sean
I do think Peter Thiel is a piece of shit.
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Adam Thorne
He said some weird shit.
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Sean
I think he's totally like. Of all the people to possibly be a lizard, he is up there. He's lizardy. He's definitely up there. Like that interview where he's like, you would like to see the human race endure. And he's like, well, well. And it takes him, like, a minute to answer the question. It's like, bro, are you a human? Like, what the fuck?
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Adam Thorne
That was a bad look.
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Sean
And then just what Palantir is doing is just completely opposite from anyone who is not a fan of war and a fan of peace and helping people in prosperity. Palantir is doing the opposite of that right now.
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Adam Thorne
Mm. Yeah.
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Sean
And they're making billions.
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Adam Thorne
Not good.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Not good.
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Sean
But I think Duncan Trussell's a good dude, and I think that wearing the hat, if anything, was just ironic.
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Adam Thorne
I think so.
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Sean
And honestly, though, like, maybe, you know, if criticizing these groups is going to become a serious problem and people have to watch out, you know, maybe it's not a bad idea to be like, you know, Yeah, I love Palantir. They're great. They're great people. I don't want them to harm me in any way.
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Adam Thorne
You know, once the social credit school thing is in place and builds power, it will. It'll just be something you have to succumb to in the same way as a regular credit score.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Like, if you want to be one of those people that are like, I don't like that system and that credit school system and it's too invasive and all the rest of it. Well, fine. Never take out a loan, ever. You can't have loans. Good luck. Build your own house, then. Learn how to build a house.
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Sean
Yeah, because you're going to have a credit score. Yeah, but it'll be socially connected to you.
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Adam Thorne
But then the social one is like, unless you just want to go live in the woods, then you gotta. You're gonna have to play whatever game is about to be done, and it will eventually be the same as though the one that's in China and all the other places. All we can do is just push back, keep pushing back, slow it down. But good luck stopping that, because the powers that be know how much super useful control they're gonna gain over everybody once they have it. And why would they not go that direction?
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Sean
Yeah. And I think that freedom is hard.
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Adam Thorne
Work for them to give us.
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Sean
And I think on the U.S. you know, I think an easy way that you could see getting to that level of power would be, you know, you just continue this divide amongst the country, and then it just gets violent and violent and violent. And then they're like, oh, we got to step in. We need this security. We need to make sure everyone's safe to stop all this violence that we actually encouraged. You know, we wanted everyone to be divisive and violent, but, you know, we're gonna step in and put an end to that. And then. Yeah, it's just control from there.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. What did you think of the interview? They talked about Tucker and Sam Altman.
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Sean
Yeah, that's a weird one. I. Again, Sam Altman I don't really like, but, yeah, it's hilarious. You know, you watch the whole thing, and towards the end, Sam's, like, getting really defensive, and he's like, you know, this is. This is not something that I'm comfortable talking about, you know, just out of respect for the families. And Tucker's like, I'm coming here on behalf of the families to ask these questions. So. Yeah, he, like, directly said that Tucker.
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Adam Thorne
Doesn'T fuck around, dude.
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Sean
No. No.
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Adam Thorne
Wow.
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Sean
Yeah, it's pretty crazy, but, yeah, Sam just completely backpedals, and then they go on and talk about Elon Musk. But the clip is crazy. And, yeah, Tucker, like, is like, yeah, there's blood in multiple rooms. There were signs of a struggle. He ordered takeout. Like, he just got back from hanging out with his fan, with his friends. Like, how is that a suicide?
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Adam Thorne
Mm. So what did he do? He called out ChatGPT. Data theft.
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Sean
Yeah, he was. He was talking about how they were stealing from artists and things like that.
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Adam Thorne
Okay. Yeah. I mean.
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Sean
Doesn'T look good for OpenAI.
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Adam Thorne
No. And the fam did say, you accusing me, like, it feels like you're accusing.
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Sean
Me and Then Tucker. Tucker's like, I'm just saying that the family is accusing you, you know, or. He didn't say it like that, but that's essentially, he's like, I'm representing the family and the family thinks that it was a murder.
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Adam Thorne
He did say it just seems very suspicious to me. It doesn't seem like a suicide.
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Sean
Yeah. And, you know, Tucker's a good interviewer, but, yeah, it was good to see. And then, you know, you watch Sam and most of his response, he's not looking at Tucker, he's looking at the ground. And like, you know, you can just tell that he. You kind of struck a nerve with him.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, well, but saying that also, I mean, you know, I mean, I think these super smart billionaires are, you know, a percentage autistic. So that might also just be a part of their process for thinking.
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Sean
And it's also an uncomfortable thing to be asked about publicly.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, that would suck, dude. Yeah. I mean, imagine. Listen, imagine if he has nothing to do with this. He did mean the best, even if it was super annoying to him that this individual was doing that, but this person was his friend, and now you're being accused of that. Like, there's a lot of pressure on these billionaires, for sure. They're under the microscope. They're constantly being accused of everything. You know, I'm sure everyone's trying to get at their money and sue them for it, all sorts of things. I doubt there's a billionaire out there that isn't constantly being sued by someone for some reason. Yeah, I'm sure that's just their existence, you know, that's the thing. They got a lot of money. But talking about Tucker, I mean, you know, he's free from Fox News, obviously they fired him, but he's bigger than ever. Probably making more money than ever through podcasts and sponsorships and all the rest of it, endorsements. What does his security look like?
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Sean
Yeah, that's a good question. They kind of talked about that on the show. I mean. Yeah, you have to think like that. Same thing with, like, Candace Owens after the whole Charlie Kirk thing. She's like, nah, I'm not leaving the fucking house. Are you kidding me? Hell no.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, you gotta wonder.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, no. Yeah. Have any of these guys gone on and done speaking engagements or anything outside?
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Sean
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, there's still people out there, like, debating things and, you know, on college campuses doing that kind of stuff, but they're not as popular. But. Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, people are. We've just kind of realized that, like, we've just gotten to this crazy point of fucked up where people are getting publicly executed, publicly assassinated for the opinions that they hold. And whether you agree with those opinions or not, you know, that's just not cool. To kill people for having an opinion.
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Adam Thorne
It's not cool, dude. Yeah, that is not cool.
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Sean
Like, we don't. Yeah, because otherwise you don't have free speech, you know.
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Adam Thorne
Well, it's definitely gonna scare people from saying things. I mean, you don't have to kill too many people saying a certain thing before everyone's gonna be like, you know what? I'm actually not that tied to this opinion.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You know, that's not the hill I'm gonna die on. I mean, that's the ultimate propaganda, right? Assassination.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Wowza. Wowza. What did you take of this whole Dolan's DNA theory thing? It's the first I've heard about it. The human engineering not evolved. Remember they were talking about that?
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Sean
I think so were they?
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Adam Thorne
It was like a bunch of junk DNA, viral fossils. 8% of the genome is like really weird.
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Sean
Oh, like the creative creativity gene that they were talking about.
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Adam Thorne
Something like that. And it's like the pyramids hint to like ancient meddling, you know, whether it's aliens, time travelers, something like this.
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Sean
Yeah, it's all fun to play with, but yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know. I think I like the stone date theory. I know that that's kind of a weird, kind of a tangent, but, you know, that kind of suggests that there was a huge jump in our advancements. At least, you know, psychologically.
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Jeff
Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.
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Zoe
Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?
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Jeff
Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me.
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Sean
So.
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Adam Thorne
Dana.
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Zoe
Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.
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Jeff
Wow, impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.
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Sean
Nice.
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Zoe
Jeffrey, you heard them.
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Jeff
T mobile is the best place to.
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Adam Thorne
Get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition.
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Jeff
So what are we having for launch?
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Zoe
Dude, my work here is done.
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Adam Thorne
I don't think that's a tangent at all. I think that's exactly along the same lines and that's just as, just as it's more reasonable than what Dolan's saying. And it is exactly that. Some change.
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Sean
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
But the real question there is can psychedelics, even if it is giving you this other way of thinking, can it change evolution? Like, can it cause some sort of rapid evolution? I mean, you would think that that could be tested in a laboratory, Right? We take like fruit flies or something that, you know, has life cycles very quickly and then we just dose a whole bunch of them and then we see what happens. Like are their brains changing shape or are they just high on mushrooms the whole time and then they die?
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Sean
Yeah, I don't know if anyone's done that, but do it. Yeah, I don't know. They also talked about, they also talked about how like a. They were talking about how AI we were the theory that like we were just kind of created to make this super intelligent thing. Like it was kind of in our destiny to make the super intelligent thing and then it like opens portal and all that stuff. I'm not sure. I mean I could see that, but I'm not quite sure I believe that one. But.
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Adam Thorne
Well, AI is a weird one and I think it is taking us to like the singularity to the point of like, I mean, once you have super intelligent AI connected to a quantum computer that's like running at full speed, it can just calculate everything ever thought of instantly. It's a God then. And then what happens? Do we just wipe ourselves out?
- [23:52]
Sean
I guess it would just depend on what the AI's motivation is, like what are we programming it to do, you know, and that's what worries me about the AI thing is not the concept of AI in itself as a, as an entity, but just the way that we're creating it, the companies that are creating it, the ways we're going about that. Like we're just using it for weapons. We're using it to make money. And it's made by these people who are not trying to preserve the better the better, you know, not trying to preserve our humanity, they're trying to just make money or you know, invade countries like again, go Back. Going back to the whole Palantir thing. Like, you know, you have these companies like Palantir who are like bragging about how they're using AI overseas for weapons. Like, weapons. And they're creating all these drones and stuff. And we're just gonna have AI fight our wars from now on. And so we're not even gonna use real soldiers. And it's like, all right, cool. Yeah, we're just gonna live in a world where, you know, one side has their own AI weapons and we have our own AI weapons. And you know, cool. We're. We're not using soldiers anymore, but we're still just automatic. Things are just killing each other for. For what reason, for what purpose? You know, like that's, that's what I disagree with. I think that that's not helpful to society to use AI in that way.
- [25:10]
Adam Thorne
Sure.
- [25:11]
Sean
But they're gonna, they're going to inevitable.
- [25:14]
Adam Thorne
You know, they already have. So they have a new fighter jet. I don't, I can't remember which one it is, but it's basically accompanied by like three drones. So it flies in a formation with three drones that support it battle wise. And they can like block shots and like, who knows what else they can do.
- [25:32]
Sean
Yeah.
- [25:32]
Adam Thorne
But eventually even that fighter jet would just be AI because they've already done tests with planes using AI and the AI in the current planes that we have beat all the fighter pilots. Yeah, like instantly, 100% of the time. So we take them out, we could actually make the planes move faster because now G force isn't an issue. Yeah, pilots won't pass out and the. Then what, they're just fighting other AI drones? Exactly. Like you're saying. So what, we just wait, step back. We just watch them all blow each other up?
- [26:10]
Sean
Waste all our money on building fucking robots that are gonna destroy other robots.
- [26:14]
Adam Thorne
And then eventually our robots get so close to their humans that they go, okay, we're really sorry. And we like, all right, don't do it again. Yeah, we come back home.
- [26:25]
Sean
Yeah. No, that scares me the most. I think I'd like to imagine a world where you have this AI entity that is good and actually is programmed to help humanity and not some evil, nefarious way like Thanos where he's like, we got to kill half the people to preserve life or some crazy shit like that, but just help us genuinely try and come up with solutions to fix our lives and solve problems that are actually going to help people, not fucking kill people, you know?
- [26:55]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, that's too much to ask. But the slippery slope to it is like, there's. You know, they say it's like, with technology, the two things that they focus on. First, with any new technology or the driving force even behind it, is war. Was always like, the reason we got to the moon in 69, allegedly, is that all the rockets that the Germans were making during World War II, and there were also massive advancements in medicine because of horrible experiments that they were doing as well, which is fucked up.
- [27:29]
Sean
So.
- [27:30]
Adam Thorne
So there's like, there's these leaps ahead that lead to these cool things, like better medicine. And we're on the moon and we got satellites and all the rest of it, but at what cost? You know? Then also they're like. They apply all the, like, the top technology, you know, let's look at the Internet, for example. What percentage of the Internet is used for all the wonderful things the Internet could be used for? Right. Reading and getting information and. No, it's like 40% Netflix.
- [28:00]
Sean
It's like me, 60.
- [28:02]
Adam Thorne
55% porn.
- [28:04]
Sean
Yeah.
- [28:05]
Adam Thorne
5% actually looking shit up.
- [28:08]
Sean
Yeah.
- [28:09]
Adam Thorne
The rest of it is chat, GPT.
- [28:11]
Sean
Yeah.
- [28:11]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
- [28:12]
Sean
No, and then. Yeah. I mean, speaking of AI and the Internet, have you ever heard the death of the Internet theory?
- [28:20]
Adam Thorne
No, what's that?
- [28:20]
Sean
It's basically, you get to the point where AI becomes so good and so indistinguishable from real videos that people who use the Internet can't tell the difference between a real video and an AI, like deepfake. And then so there's just no trust in anything on the Internet. And that's just basically, AI just takes over the whole Internet.
- [28:41]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Because nothing.
- [28:42]
Sean
Yeah, you just can't. You just can't trust it anymore because there's so much fabricated shit that looks.
- [28:46]
Adam Thorne
Like it's getting close.
- [28:47]
Sean
Looks like it's real. Yeah.
- [28:48]
Adam Thorne
Some of those videos are so good.
- [28:50]
Sean
Some of them are hilarious.
- [28:51]
Adam Thorne
Wait a minute. You gotta watch like, a few times, and then somebody falls through the floor and you're like, okay, that's.
- [28:56]
Sean
Have you seen. I saw Jake Paul got. He got online and was really upset because people are making, like, deep fakes of him in, like, gay pride parades and, like, doing all this crazy. It's so funny. He.
- [29:10]
Adam Thorne
Well, he did a real video response.
- [29:12]
Sean
Yeah.
- [29:12]
Adam Thorne
Where he's talking, but he's, like, putting on makeup, and he's like, it's clearly me doing things I would never do. And I think it's outrageous and I hope it stops, but it was funny, really. And I'm like, that's a legit response. I like. Yeah, because you can't be too butthurt, but you got to address it. And yeah, you know, these influences know how to get fucking attention, I'll tell you.
- [29:34]
Sean
Good work. Yeah.
- [29:35]
Adam Thorne
Talking about AI Actually, the. What is it called? The Optimus, that robot that Tesla's making. They. They have it now where it can like run all the tasks in the house.
- [29:47]
Sean
Really?
- [29:48]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Like, I don't know if it can unload the dishwasher and like do the plates and things, but it can like pick up all the toys and your laptop and shit. Just hanging around.
- [29:57]
Sean
How much is it?
- [29:58]
Adam Thorne
I think they'll supposedly now they're like 25 to 30 grand.
- [30:03]
Sean
Wow.
- [30:04]
Adam Thorne
Like as much as like a cheaper new car. Yeah, I guess. Is that a cheap car.
- [30:12]
Sean
For a new car? Yeah, I mean, 25 grand. Yeah, that's. That'll get you a car. Okay.
- [30:16]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, so it's.
- [30:17]
Sean
It's about that maybe not a. I mean, that's like a pretty inexpensive new car, but like a good used car. You can get a banging used car for 25k.
- [30:25]
Adam Thorne
But my thing is like, if, you know, let's say there are uses for that. Like, let's say you own a farm and you're like, right, you know, fricking mow the lawn and go pick these vegetables and then get the eggs in and then do these different things. And you would have paid someone for the year to do all these little tasks. Pretty quickly it could start to pay for itself, especially if you can get a payment plan on it, which I'm sure you can, of course, because now you're breaking it down into whatever. It's like, how much is a full time made?
- [30:57]
Sean
I mean, I don't know.
- [30:58]
Adam Thorne
And also it'd take. It'd take updates like Elon does with the Tesla cars. So it's always gonna improve. You wait till they put in like, it can now cook food update. And you just like, you're at home and you're like, right, I want steak and eggs and I want this and I want these things.
- [31:17]
Sean
Shit, I forgot to download the Italian cuisine update.
- [31:20]
Adam Thorne
There we go. You just get home and you've got a sandwich and it's like, really quickly, dude, that could start paying for itself. And I think a lot of people are gonna want these things. It won't be long. I mean, you can send it to the grocery store. I live in walking distance to a nice grocery store. It could just walk over there and get some stuff, have some cash, bring it back. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I'm so lazy, I can't go to the grocery store. But we can focus on other things. That's the point of technology, allows us to outsource a lot. Yeah, it will make some people lazy.
- [31:54]
Sean
It does, yeah. I mean, you know, with AI, you know, you always wonder, like, where are those people that do those jobs going to go? You know, But I think, like, if we can create. Yeah, if we can create other options for people that are not, like, massively, you know, like, I was reading about, like, Walmart and all this stuff, and like, all these big corporations, they brag about how many jobs they've created and all this stuff. And it's like you also displaced a lot of businesses that do what Walmart now does. And so all those people just moved to Walmart. It's like, you didn't create jobs, you just moved them. You just moved them around. And so, you know, I'm not really sure how that relates to AI, but that is an important conversation. It's like, you know, you can't just implement this immediately and then kick all these people to the curb. Like, how are they going to provide for themselves now? You know, things like delivery drivers, stuff like that. Like.
- [32:54]
Adam Thorne
But is the economy responsible for keeping people in work that don't have a skill anymore that's necessary. And I don't mean to say that in a derogatory way. I'm just saying imagine if you were a copywriter, right? You literally wrote copies of pieces of paper, you know, and then. And then they make the. Then they make the printing press.
- [33:23]
Sean
Yeah, no, it is. It's definitely inevitable. And, like, there's always examples of that, you know, like, when the Internet came around, there was so many jobs that were displaced and they got new jobs. You know, like, it does happen, but it also is a conversation that people need to, you know, talk about.
- [33:39]
Adam Thorne
Sure, yeah. I mean, because otherwise mass unemployment would be ugly. Yeah, it would be really, really ugly. Just people just can't do anything more.
- [33:47]
Sean
Homelessness, you know, all this stuff.
- [33:49]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, that's which we are seeing a lot more of. All right, let's end with COVID fallout. Well, the lockdowns, vax mandates, it kind of fractured the psyche of a lot of people.
- [34:01]
Sean
Yeah.
- [34:02]
Adam Thorne
And, you know, we've talked about this, you know, ad nauseam forever and. But I think it has. I think that, you know, when it was happening early on, and, you know, many of my friends were like, super pro. It, like, we gotta do it all. Wash your hands and wash the boxes and wash the FedEx and wash the postman when he comes to the house, spray him down. It's like, okay. But also, I think we need to live normal lives because this is gonna mess people up. Especially kids that were in school getting locked away. Their social development.
- [34:36]
Sean
Yeah. All the small businesses that got destroyed.
- [34:39]
Adam Thorne
So many, dude, so many. And then it's like, okay. And then. And then also just paying people to do nothing because there was nothing that they could do. And now they just have money to do nothing.
- [34:51]
Sean
Yeah.
- [34:51]
Adam Thorne
I mean, as soon as you get that, it's like they basically made everyone a trust fund baby for, like, a little bit of time.
- [34:58]
Sean
Yeah.
- [34:58]
Adam Thorne
And once you get a taste of.
- [35:00]
Sean
That, a bunch of money. And I know. I know so many people that were my age that got. What did they call it? What was the name of the PPE loans? Whatever it was the money that they were giving out. During COVID I knew so many people that just blew it on stupid shit. Like, they got, like, a computer for gaming or like, you know, like some fucking, you know, technology that they didn't need or whatever. It was like, it just like, you know, I mean, you think about how consumeristic our society is, and then you just give people a bunch of money. It's like, oh, dude, are they really, like, yes, it is important to give money to families so that they can feed themselves. But also, there was a lot of money given out to people that don't. Didn't fucking need it and just spent it on stupid shit.
- [35:42]
Adam Thorne
It was chaos, man. It was chaos. And the worst part is. And they never talk about this. The people that didn't get it, they didn't qualify. They got stuck in some sort of, you know, position where for whatever reason, they didn't fill out the right form or they weren't on the right thing, and there was literally no one you could get ahold of. And I know that for sure in California, because I tried getting ahold of people, and it was impossible. You could never get through to talk to a human being. And then you find out something like $30 billion is unaccounted for out of this whole process. And it's just like, also. And this is the one part of COVID that really grinds my gears. It was like the biggest movement of wealth to the super rich. Like, the billionaires, like, their wealth went, like, up like, three, four times.
- [36:37]
Sean
Yeah. And they started changing a bunch of rules. Like, do you know in. In 2020, the Federal Reserve changed their reserve requirements. So essentially, you know, whenever you print out a Hundred dollars. You have to hold $10 to like back it up. They changed that in 2020 to now it's zero percent. So all the money that they print out, they don't have to hold any of it. They can just print out as much as they want without having to back up any of it. And they just changed that in 2020. Like just super under the carpet. No one knew about it. What? Yeah, no, you can look it up.
- [37:11]
Adam Thorne
So what does that mean? That it's just going to be like insane inflation? That.
- [37:14]
Sean
No, it's not backed up at all. Our money is not backed up. And even then it was like 10%.
- [37:19]
Adam Thorne
It's like, it is weird that since we went from the gold standard in the 70s, like 71 or whatever, and you look at the rate of like the cost of goods and interest and like how much money people got paid and how much a house was, like people could pay for a house in like a year or something like that with their wages. And then it went from the gold standard to whatever they do now, like the Federal Reserve just not backing up anything and the graph just goes straight up.
- [37:50]
Sean
Yeah.
- [37:51]
Adam Thorne
And now like half the things that you could buy back then, you know, you could have like, you could have a factory job, your wife could stay at home raising the kids and you'd have insurance, so you'd have medical, you'd have a car, maybe two, you'd have a house that you paid for. You'd have all the little pieces and you'd have food and you'd have things and it would be like.
- [38:12]
Sean
Yeah.
- [38:13]
Adam Thorne
And you weren't considered rich, you were just living life in America.
- [38:17]
Sean
Normal middle class. Yeah.
- [38:18]
Adam Thorne
To do that today, what do you need? 200 grand a year?
- [38:23]
Sean
It's insane. No, and then, I mean, almost no.
- [38:26]
Adam Thorne
One has like a housewife, like a mother at home just raising the kids.
- [38:33]
Sean
Single income households are so rare nowadays.
- [38:36]
Adam Thorne
I mean, you've got to be an absolute boss to be able to create something like that. Yeah, it's hard to do.
- [38:42]
Sean
It is. No, and then, you know, you look at like how much money we've spent on war and all this stuff. Like we've spent like $10 trillion in the Middle east in the 2000s. And like that doesn't help our fucking inflation. Like that's not coming from taxpayer money. They're just printing that off, you know.
- [38:58]
Adam Thorne
But here's the problem. This is why a system like that is so addictive. As soon as you create it and everybody, even if you know it's bad, but you need some money. It's like imagine being at home and you're in charge of everything and you've been working hard and you get all the money, you know, you're earning and you're like, okay, I'm doing this and I'm investing and I'm cutting back and I'm slashing costs and I'm working on my budget and. But now I want to do these things, but I can't quite do it. And there's this machine behind you that you can just push a button and all the money comes out and you don't have to pay the price for the result of that happening. Everyone else in society has to pay that price. You're going to push the button eventually.
- [39:46]
Sean
That's just human nature and that's just taking advantage of human nature. Yeah, and it's, it's terrible. And there's just been these slow pushes to make things worse and worse and worse. And yeah, now it's insane. Like, you know, I bought, speaking of inflation, I bought 2 pounds of chicken thighs and a pound of like deli turkey the other day. It was 23 fucking dollars. Really? I was like, are you kidding me?
- [40:10]
Adam Thorne
I thought chicken thighs were like the cheapest thing you can buy.
- [40:14]
Sean
It was like five bucks a pound. So that was like ten dollars. And then the turkey thigh, the, the turkey breast was also like, the deli kind was like, yeah, $13 a pound. I was like, what the fuck is this?
- [40:24]
Adam Thorne
That is a lot.
- [40:25]
Sean
Yeah, it's insane, dude. But yeah, no, you look at the cost of living versus income and it's just not even close to proportional. They are just on two completely different levels. And they used to be pretty close. It used to be reasonable.
- [40:40]
Adam Thorne
It did. And I mean Bozeman's like the best example that highlights how impossible the situation is. I mean, you buy a small three bedroom downtown that's like run down and not modern at all. Million dollars. Yeah, I don't know if it's quite that high, but it's close.
- [40:56]
Sean
No, it absolutely is. Three bedroom is probably even more than that.
- [40:59]
Adam Thorne
You think so?
- [41:00]
Sean
Yeah, I mean, you know. Yeah, I think.
- [41:03]
Adam Thorne
How much? What is a mortgage on a million dollars?
- [41:08]
Sean
Oh, it's insane.
- [41:09]
Adam Thorne
Interest rate, is it six grand a month?
- [41:11]
Sean
No one does 15 year mortgages anymore. It's all the 30 year ones, you know, and then you pay all this money in interest.
- [41:16]
Adam Thorne
And I think what's going to happen is they're going to start doing what they do in Japan with those hundred year mortgages they have Those. It's literally a mortgage you can never fully pay off. But it's like all rolled in when you sell it or when you die. It's like then whoever inherits it continues paying that amount.
- [41:35]
Sean
And I've seen some prices of houses in Japan and it's pretty reasonable.
- [41:40]
Adam Thorne
They're pretty good 100 grand.
- [41:41]
Sean
Pretty good. Yeah. You can get like a banging house for like 150k.
- [41:45]
Adam Thorne
Yeah, you got to kind of live out in the middle of somewhat nowhere.
- [41:48]
Sean
Yeah. Well, also like, you know, moving to Japan as a American is incredibly hard. Like my roommate is. Has aspirations of doing this. He's like super into drawing and he's learning Japanese and all that stuff. But it's, it's a huge challenge just culturally as well. Like a lot of Japanese people kind of ostracize outsiders.
- [42:07]
Jeff
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Zoe
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Jeff
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- [42:17]
Sean
So.
- [42:17]
Adam Thorne
Dana.
- [42:18]
Zoe
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Jeff
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- [42:37]
Sean
Nice.
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Zoe
Jeffrey, you heard them.
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Jeff
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Adam Thorne
Get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible trade in in any condition.
- [42:46]
Jeff
So what are we having for launch?
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Zoe
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- [43:04]
Sean
Data 1x 2025 is@t mobile.com yeah, so but I mean their culture is beautiful and their country's beautiful and they have a lot of things going for them. Real estate being one of them, you know. But even like you know, here a house is, you know, call it 500K. Back in the day you could put 20% down on a house as a down payment. But nowadays like What? Who has 100 grand lying around just in cash to put down in a house? That's incredible, dude. That's insane.
- [43:33]
Adam Thorne
A million dollar home. One of these $200,000 200 grand lying around.
- [43:39]
Sean
Yeah, my boss is, he's a, he's a boomer. He's like 70 or 68. And I was, we were talking about this with him and he was like, yeah, my first house was like 50k. I was like fuck you man. Yeah, I'm jealous.
- [43:51]
Adam Thorne
Yeah. I think my parents was 32,000 English pounds but still they basically, they were like this, they were unemployed. They were on what we call the dole, which is like welfare. Like they just get some money from the government but it's like not much enough to live on. And they gave them what they call council house, which is a lot like Section 8 housing. So it's just the council house areas and they were. People look down on those types of areas because you know, they kind of look a bit trashy sometimes and. But I grew up in it. I liked it, it was cool. It's all I knew. I knew there were richer people but I liked all my friends in my neighborhood and our house was fine and it was like a fairly small three bedroom, two layer but two levels but it worked. We had room, you know, we were raised in. We had four to five boys in there at any given time and the parents. And eventually there was this program the way you could pay off it was like some sort of like buy if you've lived in it a while type situation to where you could own it which was a super good deal. And I think, yeah, they sold it back for like 30 and it's like real low interest. They bought it with no jobs and owned a house in the early 90s, late 80s, early 90s. This is how they could do that in England now It's like you can't buy a house here, make it 150 grand a year.
- [45:23]
Sean
Yeah.
- [45:24]
Adam Thorne
Unless you're extremely lucky and save for years.
- [45:27]
Sean
Yeah. No, it's just ridiculous. And you know, as, as a younger person, like how the fuck am I supposed to afford a house, you know?
- [45:37]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
- [45:38]
Sean
Moves. Oh, just, just save up. Just save up. It's like bro. What? Yeah, you gotta hope, save up a million dollars.
- [45:43]
Adam Thorne
You gotta hope that you get bunch of inheritance. You're one of those kids. If you're not on that path then you got to move to a place that is just much cheaper to live. What I would recommend to people is young people today. Honestly, if you've got freedom is I would say find. Get a skill that gives you a good remote working job. Like get a list of remote working jobs that are useful that hopefully won't be gobbled up by AI and learn how to do them, work yourself into that place and then go find the cheapest places to live in the entire world and go there, because then what you can do is live on. Dude, if you could make 30 grand a year working completely remotely and then go live in a village in Thailand, or there's probably even cheaper places to go to. It's like, yeah, it might not be your primary choice of where you want to be, but you'll figure out the culture, you'll figure out that adventure, and you'll be considered pretty rich.
- [46:53]
Sean
Yeah.
- [46:54]
Adam Thorne
And then you can do other projects, other things. Like, I don't see the point of just live in this rat race in the US and struggling. Like, unless you're massively driven and have some, you know, huge skill sets. It's.
- [47:10]
Sean
Yeah, it's a shame. I happen to love this country actually.
- [47:13]
Adam Thorne
Me too.
- [47:14]
Sean
It's very beautiful. But. Yeah, no, I mean, I've thought about that too. I've thought about definitely leaving the country, but it's. Yeah, I mean, as someone who grew up here and you know, I happen to love America at least what, what we used to stand for, but.
- [47:29]
Adam Thorne
Well, but also, nothing's forever too.
- [47:31]
Sean
Yeah.
- [47:31]
Adam Thorne
You're very young. Let's say you just did this until you're 30. Then you could have an incredible adventure and probably learn some amazing skills to come back with and then do something else.
- [47:41]
Sean
I think traveling is a good thing, you know, especially when you're young. Go out and experience the world. Go out and try new things.
- [47:48]
Adam Thorne
100%.
- [47:49]
Sean
Yeah.
- [47:49]
Adam Thorne
I love it. Well, on that note, let's end it. Thank you as always, Sean.
- [47:54]
Sean
Check it out.
- [47:55]
Adam Thorne
Patreon, everybody. And also Duncan Trussell. You're a legend. We love you, bro.
- [48:01]
Sean
Later.
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