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You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.
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What a bizarre thing we've created now.
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With your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one. One go.
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Enjoy the show.
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Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. Joining me today is Brandon, back from his trip to New York City. Doing back, baby.
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I'm back on the podcast. It was awesome, man. Just a lot of hanging out. Got to go to the Comedy Cellar. Did some like shows down there. Just such a fun city, man. Brooklyn was cool. Manhattan, East Village. It was just all awesome. A lot of shows, a lot of running around. Still hungover from the entire week.
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Yeah, good work. Put it in.
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I missed so much. I missed so much on the Rogan podcast. I was seeing all these episodes pop up. I'm like, ah, fuck.
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Yeah, lots happened, man.
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Yeah, I wish I could have covered that. Yeah.
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And you know, more controversy in the the Rogan sphere and beyond. Even in the comedy World. And we're going to get into it today with review of Andrew Schultz coming on. Good old Schultze. Obviously you know him from the flagrant empire. 3 million subs, 100 million plus views. I mean, I don't know what his brand is worth right now, but it must be tens plus millions. I mean, he's worth. He's worth a boatload. Quick update on the show. Actually getting a bit of a change to the format. We're gonna bump up to two episodes a week consistently. We do our favorite review of the week, as always. So that's pretty standard. And then we're going to lean into more of a commentary of the whole Rogan sphere in general. I'm sure you've seen videos online. There is so many of them now that, like, elephant graveyard and so on, where they're just kind of like watching what's happening in the Rogan's universe and with other comedians and kind of what everybody's getting up to in the world of podcasting and the controversies that surround it all. And we're just going to kind of scoop around that and put our own voice to it and make sense of what's happening. It's super interesting. I don't know about you guys, but I've been addicted to it. I know Brandon has. And we want to talk about it. So we're going to be doing that. So look out for that.
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Yeah, well, for sure, man. At the end of this week, and just to build off what you're saying, I just want to say this whole Marc Maron thing is such a massive controversy in the comedy community where everyone's talking about it. I feel like if we talked about it on this episode, it would just take up the entire podcast. There is so much to cover. So I feel like it's a great idea where we just do these single episodes of just talking about these, like, conflicts, because we're seeing a bit of a civil war in the Rogan sphere right now. So just to talk about, like, isolated incidents alone, I think is worth an entire podcast episode.
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Yeah, I agree. Totally agree. Yep. So there we go. Yeah. What was. What was the kind of feedback from this episode with Schultz? What are people saying on. On the intra webs?
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Right. So allegedly, Schultz does stand up comedy as well. I've heard he does so on YouTube. On YouTube. All right. People were just like, lighting this guy up. I really had no idea what to expect because, like, it was a very casual conversation. I enjoyed it quite a lot. Even, like the pool talk and everything. There was A lot to enjoy on this episode, I thought, even though it did run a little long. We're talking like, three and a half hours here. But let me just. I'm just gonna read them in order.
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All right.
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I'm gonna read, like, the first five comments on YouTube from, like, top voted down, top vote. Andrew Schultz, the kind of guy that sits on the toilet with his legs crossed. No, just like. And we. This pattern continues. Schultz the type of guy to spray cologne in the air and shimmy through the mist. Schultz is like the bad guy in a movie about gay chefs. Schultz is the type of guy who hears a loud noise and immediately asks if anyone else heard that. This is. This is all the comments are. Yeah, it's. It's like, what is going on, man? Also, this is a. One more I want to say that's, like, kind of funny. Joe. AI is terrifying. Also, Joe, you got to hear this AI music. So.
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Yeah, I'm looking at. There's a Charlie Schultz clip with. On the Jerry clips page, and it's in. It's titled, Schultz had an epiphany about Charlie Kirk and Social media. Top comment. Schultz is the kind of guy who wakes you up to tell you he's going to bed.
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It's ok. Yeah. No one's taking this guy seriously, it seems. And on Spotify, which that's where you get, like, a little more serious in the comments. And. Yeah, it's like, really the biggest thing I'm seeing in terms of a pattern on Spotify is that people are pissed about Joe's Charlie Kirk commentary.
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Ooh.
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Because he's kind of like, yeah, Charlie was a little controversial. You know, I wasn't really a fan of a lot of his statements and beliefs, and people were really pissed because Joe brought up that quote where he's like, yeah, if, like, you know, I'm flying and the pilot's a black woman, I'm gonna be a little nervous. That's not exactly what the quote is. I'm kind of just trying to remember it, so don't take my word on it. But that's pretty much like, the lines of what it was of just like, yeah, I don't trust a black woman pilot. And apparently there was a lot more to it.
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I feel like, overall point, he was just kind of saying it was like, dei, right. Kind of like affirmative action. Just like, if anyone is in a position because they were just meeting a quota, I don't want that. You know, I always want the best version. But he just said it in a way that Joe didn't like it or a lot of people didn't like it.
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But Joe also acknowledges that. Yeah, Charlie, you know, I get what you're trying to say, but you just could have said it better. And he's just saying, yeah, just don't hire someone just because of their race. Hire them because of their qualification. That's what, like, the big argument is. But it's just more of the delivery of it and.
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Sure. Well, you do need to be careful with those types of deliveries that.
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Yeah, you can't.
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You have to be.
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Yeah, every word has to be very calculated with a statement like that, like, even how it's delivered isn't really the best. But yeah, people are really pissed at Rogan for, huh. His commentary on Kirk. So that was interesting. That was really interesting to see.
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Well, because. Huge following, man.
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Yeah. Rogan, we're talking like this very right wing platform. There's a lot of people on. Like, of course, it's very libertarian too. It's. It's kind of a bipartisan podcast. It is kind of turning into that lately, but it's mainly right wing and that's no surprise. You know what? Rogan show and show.
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Yeah.
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It's more conservative, if anything. And we're seeing the whole Rogan sphere start to pivot a little bit, in my opinion. You look at Schultz, you know, it's so interesting that Schultz is like, yeah, these grifters, these people pivoting, these comics pivoting. It's like, dude, like, you had Trump on. You had like all these, like, really, like, big right wing figures on. Now you're having Sauron on and you're glazing him the whole podcast and you're pretty much endorsing him and you're like, yeah, I agree with you. You're right. It's like, that's how. That's an insane flip. Like, for anybody, for, for anyone to like, be like, I'm a Trump guy. And then to be like, I'm a Zoran guy. You could flip, hop harder from, from Spectrum to Spectrum, you know, so it's like guilty of it.
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Rogan is always like, Bernie and, you know, was pro Bernie when Bernie had a chance to run before Hillary kind of did that whole bamboozling and, and kicked him out, you know, but. But, you know, he also endorsed Trump, so he's like, you know, he liked both of those people. Not necessarily at the same time, but, you know, again, they're podcasters, right? They're not, they're not cable news. They're not required to pick a side.
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So which is.
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Yeah, it's interesting that they that they going going and I, you know, and I also think they're going these different directions now because of that energy with Trump that like wave against him right now because of the Epstein files, because of these other things that he's doing that are losing trust on his end and guys like Schultz and Rogan are partially responsible for getting him elected.
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Exactly. And everything you're saying is the crux of this whole issue. Like Schultz saying all this shit about Santino. Santino's problem is exactly what you're saying. Where it's like, dude, these. We like, we keep it right here. We are just a silly podcast. We're comics. We're not news guys. Like, he was even. That's. That's where his criticism of Schultz started, where he's like, dude, they're having like.
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You mean Schultz?
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Santino criticizing Schultz?
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Oh, what did Santino say about Schultz?
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Where he was criticizing Flagrant for having, like, Bernie on. He's like, dude, what are these guys doing? We're comics, we're comedians. We're not news guys. You know, and that's. That was his whole issue. And I'm pretty sure Schultz saw that. And that's where this big back and forth is coming from, because he's like, oh, well, this guy then. And then Santino has Marin on, and then Schultz is like, okay, extra. This guy. Yeah, yeah. And we're seeing, like, it's crazy that we're seeing such big comics, like, go at each other like this. Where it's like, you said this on your podcast, and I'm going to say this on. On Joe's podcast. And it's becoming, like this really weird drama to follow because it's like, who said what?
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Where A little out of control, I think. Yeah, it's totally unnecessary. It's like, guys, guys, guys, guys. You're the jesters. Don't forget that. You know, I know in your own way, you become like the kings just because of how popular and powerful and wealthy you get. But Also, try to remember that it's. It was all about being a jester, so chill out.
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Yeah. And it's such a funny thing to, like, see all the. The drama being addressed nowadays, because I feel like there's so many lines of drama to follow in the comedy community in the Rogan sphere. Saudi Arabia, for example, which is addressed during this episode where he's defending Saudi Arabia. He's like, yeah, there was a list. Who cares? I just go to my fans. He's like, they're chill. They're whatever freedom of speech is there. Even Dave Chappelle said, isn't this crazy? Dave Chappelle said that freedom. Freedom of speech is better in Saudi Arabia than the US really, which is insane to say. Tim Dillon, for example, got booted for something he said on a podcast about the slavery that happens in Saudi Arabia. A joke about their slavery. So I wouldn't say so. They've also killed journalists. They've tortured journalists. I don't know.
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It doesn't seem like they would have excellent freedom of speech laws. I wouldn't imagine. I mean, certainly not. I mean, America has pretty good versions of freedom of speech. You'd be hard pressed to beat that, I think, compared to Saudi. Yeah, of course. So Schultz did go over. He went over with. Who else went over? Louie did. Louis go.
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Louie Santino. Bobby. Bobby Lee Chappelle. Here's a big one. Here's the most memorable one. Bill Burr. Dude, Billy Blood money.
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Yeah. That's interesting. What about Whitney Cummings?
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Whitney Cummings? Yep.
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Wow. She's not even funny.
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Bless her. Davidson.
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Oh, yeah. P went.
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Which is.
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Yeah, there was all that 911 controversy.
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Dad died, which is the funniest debt, you know, And Schultz said something on flagrant. He's like, dude, it's not the government paying us. It's like a private organization. It's a hundred percent the government. It's a hundred percent the government.
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Oh, that paid them.
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That paid them. Yes.
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Yeah, no doubt.
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Yeah. So it's weird. It's such a. Interesting time in comedy.
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Do you think they tried to get Rogan? He never mentioned anything.
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He didn't get invited.
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You don't think so?
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I don't think so. He would. He would have said so.
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He think he feels left out?
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I think a little bit. Yeah. I think a lot of people are a little.
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I don't. I don't think he would have gone because he doesn't exactly need the money. It's like they couldn't have afforded him anyway.
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But.
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But yeah, I think that they. He Might have thought a bit left out.
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Shane's the dog. Shane's the man. You hear about what happened with him where they just kept offering. Yeah.
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You literally have to tell them, stop doubling it, because eventually you will give me enough money.
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Yeah.
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And I like, good for him, you know, I mean, he can just print money right now, though, so he's not worried about that.
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Yeah. So he doesn't really need it. But there's a lot of comics on here, like, close to that level that also, I feel like, like Louis ck. Did he really need that?
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Yeah, probably. I mean, it does seem strange for them, honestly. I mean, it would have been a really good opportunity for them to like, take a bit of a stand, you know, however, saying that it also for them, you know, it's like, do it once, see what the backlash is, like, see if you can survive it. And who knows, maybe every year now they have a comedy festival there where they get paid this much. I mean, it's definitely a greedy grab, I have to say. But also, you know, like, many of the comedians that are talking shit about it, you know, a lot of them are doing it because they weren't invited.
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Yeah.
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And just like me, I wasn't invited, nobody paid me, so it's easy for me to say, oh, yeah, well, I wouldn't have gone. Or that's bullshit that they went.
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Yeah, like I'm saying all this shit. But if they emailed me and they're like, hey, here's five grand if you want to host.
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You'd go for a free hotel and an all you can eat buffet.
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Yeah, I'd go for a free guest spot. No, I don't know, man. It's. It's, it's interesting and it's just like, like I'm saying it's interesting times in the Rogan sphere and comedy in general, because it feels like there's a civil war almost.
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Yeah. And something's, something's happening for sure.
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And I mean, I don't think, I don't believe that this is because of Schultz whole thing of, oh, Kill Tony and Rogan can't get you as much money or fame anymore. Do you think that's the reason why a lot of people are starting to, you know, backtrack and backpedal and turn on the Rogan sphere? Because that was his big point with this?
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No, I mean, Rogan and Kill Tony can still make you super famous for sure. I think it's just that they got. I bet that it is probably a little clicky in that green room and for good reason. Like Rogan's made it that way kind of like through safety and his enjoyment. You know, it's like his club and he kind of wants it that way. It's probably a small select little crowd where as other green rooms and other bigger clubs it's probably more free flowing with like whoever's performing and so on. You know who they're picking to go there. It's like it's a bit different because a comic now owns the club. So if people don't really get on well with that comic, they're not going to that club. Therefore they probably will talk shit about that club. So inherently is going to be set up to be not liked by some of them already, right? Which is a disadvantage. It also became incredibly popular right away. That creates hate.
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The thing about Kill Tony, it's so massive now and they could talk like that literally forever because he doesn't need new material, it just makes itself. And it's clearly pissing off other comedians because Tony, for one, isn't the best stand up. When you're looking at like, if you look at the top 20 guys and gals that do stand up comedy, Tony's probably not in that list, is he? No, his stand up specials aren't that strong. He is a good comedian for sure, but he doesn't hit those top points. However, he's making more money than almost any of them now because of Kill Tony. So people are gonna be haters. And the Kill Tony show, when you look at it, even though it is funny, it's not really like all stand up comedy in a sense. It's more like a, Like a talk show.
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Like a game show.
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Exactly, it's more like that. So it's a different thing. And I think people are just kind of hating on it because it's different and it makes so much money and it's this.
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Yeah, like, I know what you mean. And it's also like the, like how they are as comics. Like Tony Hinchcliffe, for example, you look at his first special, one Shot, which he tried to scrub off the Internet and it's not good, you know, it's rough. There's. He took it off for a reason. It got re uploaded to YouTube. Check it out. And it's. Yeah, like, I'm not saying Tony's a bad stand up. I know he has a special coming out on Netflix very soon and I bet it's gonna be great, you know, but this one shot special was not. It was very bad. I couldn't even get through it, man. It was like. It's one thing where you're watching it and it's just not hitting. It's another thing when you're. It's like painful to watch where you're going, oof. You know where he's like messing up lines. He's like having to correct the joke and go back, oh, I meant this, I meant this. And he's like stuttering and stuff. It was like really like, I guess.
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I've not seen that. Send me a link to that.
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I'll send you a link. Yeah, yeah, but.
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But it's like, surely it's not as bad as Gringo Poppy. Holy.
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I don't know. Good.
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That was in the hall of Fame, the comedy hall of fame, for what not to do.
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I mean, but with Gringo Poppy, it's like. It's a fun thing to watch. It's like watching a movie that's so bad. It's almost like fun. Oh, yeah. You know where one shot is, it's like. It's cringy. You know, I'll send you the link to it, but yeah. So you have Tony and Rogan, who are the nucleus of this scene of the Rogan sphere. And they're saying, best scene in the world, comedy mecca. And Rogan says that even when it has Bobby Leon, you gotta move here. This is the best scene ever. Best comedy scene in the world. And I think comics are kind of pissed and kind of annoyed that they're hearing this when it really just centers around the Mothership.
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Yeah.
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And we're seeing comments.
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There aren't other big clubs there, right? I mean, there's just. There's the Vulcan creaking or whatever.
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B
Vulcan isn't really a comedy club, though. It's like more of just a venue.
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Okay.
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You know what I mean? It's more like. It's. There's like Mothership, Black Rabbit Creek in the Cave, Velveeta Room, and there's one more that are, like, notorious. But some of these clubs are like, really tiny. Like, really, really tiny. Are they where you look at New York, dude, comedy seller, New York comedy Club. And there's several. There's like the East Village New York Comedy Club. There's the, you know, Upper Manhattan. There's the. The Comic Strip, Live, Danger Fields. It's like there are so many dude there. It's like. It's not like if one, if. If the mothership took off into space the next day, the scene would be like 2% of what it used to be.
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Nothing. Yeah, I mean, and I think you're right.
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I.
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It almost does seem like. Because doesn't. Doesn't Red Band own, partially own a club there? What's this? Yeah.
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Sunset Strip. Yeah, you're right. I totally forgot about that one.
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Have you been to that one?
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I have, yeah. What's that? Like, very high ceilings. That's like the running joke there. The ceilings are just really high. It's a cool room. It's a cool room. It's. It's really. It just feels like another room of the. The Mothership.
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Okay. An open mic up spot?
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Pretty much, yeah. They do showcases. It's like no one's doing specials There, Sure. You know, it's like, there's. It's more of like just a showcase for Kill Tony sometimes.
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Gotcha.
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That's really it, you know?
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But yeah, that's definitely what. What's missing. It's almost like the mothership needs to get so big and I don't know if it already has to where it opens. Like a secondary club just called something Else that's like other up and comers, but they haven't quite got there a bit more stage time, you know, almost a bit of a training ground. Like a club training ground for like people to make it to the Mothership. But then it adds to the scene. You just can't have a scene that's just the mothership, you know, it's like the Comedy Store. The LA scene wouldn't have been the comedy scene if it was just the Comedy Store. It's like you had the Laugh Factory and then you had the Ice House and then there were just, you know, there were a bunch of other venues around there that made improv work. The improv, yeah. Big one. Of course. Yep. And. And they all had their place and they all had their unique value for like what they brought to the table and their own little crews that used to just hang out at each one that made a special. Yeah, the Comedy Store did kind of stand out just because it had a really good vibe and a good hang. But yeah, you need more than one club. You need more than one club with like a pretty exclusive green room, right?
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B
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, I do want to kind of talk about some of the other things on this episode, especially the whole thing of Joe repeating Elon's a. Where he's referring to that guy that criticized Elon. Because Joe talks about seeing the SpaceX launch.
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A
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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B
On this episode, which looked so sick. I'm not sure if you saw the footage that actually.
- [32:19]
A
Yeah, I saw it on Jamie's Instagram.
- [32:23]
B
They were both there.
- [32:24]
A
He rarely posts anything, so whenever he does, I'm always like keen to be like, oh, what's Jamie up to? It's usually golf, but yeah, this time Jamie's watching that launch. What a cool thing to just be a part of, though, and to be there.
- [32:38]
B
So cool again.
- [32:39]
A
Rogan just gets to frickin hang out in the, you know, whatever it's called, the operations room or whatever and just sit there with Elon. It's like, yeah, badass, dude.
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B
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A
Little skyscrapers.
- [34:12]
B
Right. It just looks so sick. But I, I want to cover the whole thing of Joe being like, yeah, I saw some guy being like Elon's a with it's like, dude, you shut up. But I feel like this is Joe's issue where any criticism to anybody, he just kind of boils it down to, well, you know, Elon sucks. Well, Joe Rogan sucks where, you know, we'll get more into this with the Mark Maron episode. But everything they talked about when it comes to the criticism of the Rogan sphere, Marc Marin's criticism to Rogan, it just like boils down to, oh, Joe Rogan sucks. And they never really take the criticism head on. They don't address any of it, you know. And we'd see that again here with not to bring it back to Schultz criticizing these comics who are pushing back on the Rogan sphere. But they're just like, yeah, these comics are pushing back. It's, it's like they don't really dissect or look at why. They don't discuss why that is and they don't really do any self reflection here, you know.
- [35:18]
A
Right.
- [35:18]
B
And I feel like this is how Joe tackles all criticism towards anything in his circle of oh, it just sucks. That's it. It just sucks because it sucks. And it's something I do kind of wish more comics did. And I wish it's Something that Schultz did instead of just, like, being like, oh, he's ungrateful. He's a snake. It's like, well, let's talk about why he's maybe doing this. Maybe, like, and it's so crazy to hear also him talk about how I'm like. Like, it's crazy to see behind the curtain of all this of Schultz talking, like, asking him about Santino, and. And Joe's like, yeah, I talked to Santino about it. And he's like, let him just talk into the void and everything. It's. It's. I feel like a big thing just because it's. It's dawned on me, and I just want to say it, that I feel like none of these comics are, like, really addressing any of the points that are, like, the critical points made their way. Do you agree with that? Yeah.
- [36:24]
A
And, you know, it's too easy to just be like, all their haters, right? I know. Joe's got so big, he doesn't want to read the comments, and he stays a long way away from it. And there's definitely something about that to that that you should pay attention to because it is exhausting and it will crush your spirits and take your confidence away. However, it's also good to take on some criticism, possibly through a filter, but make it a little bit constructive. But you do want to reflect on some things, you know, and asking that question, hey, why do people feel like this? You know, why am I getting this video from elephant graveyard about my last stand up special or about the Rogan sphere? I don't think those are bad things to just kind of analyze because, you know, I'm sure Rogan doesn't like the kind of commentary that came from that, and he doesn't want that to be the reputation of what's going around. And a good way to stop that is to understand what it is, where it's coming from, and know it instead of just dismiss it as haters. Because eventually you just get to a point where kind of Brandon Sharpers, where everyone just kind of leaves you if everything's just like, oh, they're just all haters. And it's like, dude, you kind of have done, like, 10 things now that make you look like a huge dick.
- [37:55]
B
Yeah, dude. Like his podcast with Chris d', Elia, too. Oh, dear. It's like, really just like, talk about a fall from grace from crystal podcast with Schultz now. Dude, Chris.
- [38:12]
A
Chris was massive.
- [38:14]
B
Yeah.
- [38:15]
A
I mean, he was on top of the world until his scandal hit, and now he's barely scraping Honestly. And, you know, teaming up with Brendan, I mean, no wonder Theo bopped out. And I think his timing was perfect because Theo's part is just massive. And, you know, Brandon. Brandon talks about it like they're still cool and he had to do his thing and it's not a big deal and, you know, but everyone knows what's really happening.
- [38:47]
B
And please, Rogan, have me on the. On the. At the mothership. Please, please have me at the mothership. That's what it feels like. Oh, like them defending the shit out of Rogan, too, all the time.
- [38:58]
A
That ship is sailed. Like one. He's quick comedy. And to never will he get a chance to perform at the mothership. I mean, Brandon's not coming back to stand up ever. And to be honest, I mean, he's. You look at his downloads for any of his shows other than even Fighter and the Kid, but even that show is, like, basically dead.
- [39:25]
B
Yeah.
- [39:26]
A
I mean, there's almost nothing left. What's the other one? Fat boy. Thick boy.
- [39:31]
B
Yeah. So fucking studios.
- [39:37]
A
This shows. That's just him, like, ranting.
- [39:40]
B
Right.
- [39:41]
A
And let me look at it. So it has 177 subscribers. And yeah, we go on a bit of a tangent here.
- [39:48]
B
Just 177 subscribers.
- [39:52]
A
A thousand.
- [39:53]
B
Okay. I was.
- [39:54]
A
170. I was about to say, dude, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're like, the subscriber number is reasonable. And, you know, one day ago, he did a recap of the Aspinall fight. 30,000. Two weeks ago, 32,000. Three weeks ago, 41,000. You know, but that's less downloads than this podcast gets. And this is Brendan Shaw. You know, we're just a review show of a Rogan thing. You know, it's like, I don't know. And he has to edit this together and have a team and pay for a wet. I'm like, how is he making money off this?
- [40:30]
B
Yeah, where this. The literally the co host is the producer, you know?
- [40:34]
A
Right.
- [40:35]
B
It's. It's like this. It's. It's very crazy to see a lot of these podcasts, like, kind of go under. Like, for example, two bears when caves. I'm not sure if you've been following the whole drama with them, but they're trying to, like, recruit only fans stars.
- [40:51]
A
Oh, I haven't. No. Are they. Are they collapsing or what?
- [40:54]
B
Yeah, they're doing really bad. And their plan now is that they want to start managing only fans models. And Bird has this idea of, like, having them on and interviewing them and then finding one that has no career in sex work, no career in porn. Or only fans. And, like, just, like, turn them into something, which is just kind of weird. Yeah.
- [41:21]
A
What are they doing? Just being, like, creepy old men now.
- [41:24]
B
Yeah. And everyone feels that, like, the comments are like, dude, this is like, a little weird. You know, it's a little like. Because you're getting into pimp territory with that. And it's like, aren't. Aren't you guys supposed to be, like, funny? Like, isn't the whole idea of, like, you know, the podcast is like, two comment, two, like comics, and they just, like, try to riff and laugh.
- [41:45]
A
Yeah.
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B
Like, what the. Is this turning into.
- [41:49]
A
What is happening?
- [41:49]
B
What.
- [41:50]
A
What's happened to the Mama's house one? Is that still going strong?
- [41:53]
B
I. I haven't. I haven't even paid any attention to that. I don't even know if they're still putting out episodes. They must be, right? Maybe not. It's.
- [42:03]
A
God. Yeah. They have to be. Let me look.
- [42:07]
B
Yeah. It's just crazy to. And. And this kind of falls under.
- [42:11]
A
I mean, that's 2 million subscribers they have there.
- [42:13]
B
That's a shitload.
- [42:17]
A
So let's see. Latest. How long ago? Nine hours ago. So it's a lot of that. That pretty girl interviewing people.
- [42:26]
B
Yeah.
- [42:27]
A
Have her on. So they have other people doing a lot of the things now they're kind of stopping. Six days ago, quarter of a million downloads. They got an episode. They had Oz Perlman. That, like, psychic. Not psychic guy. Yeah, he's kind of psychic.
- [42:43]
B
Right.
- [42:46]
A
And then. Yeah. So they're not doing it a ton. And they're kind of like sprinkling in two bears, one cave within this whole mix. Getting some downloads kinda members only. It's a lot of mishmasher stuff over there.
- [43:04]
B
I'd have to look at Social Blade to see like, how. Really how, like, you know, if it's going up or down in terms of listens and stuff. But it kind of falls under this big umbrella of the Rogan spheres. Not killing it right now. Like, even Theo, we talked about it last time I was on the podcast of his whole mental breakdown on stage. Apparently that's all because of Mark Maron, which is crazy.
- [43:32]
A
Yeah.
- [43:33]
B
Which we'll get into the next episode when we cover this whole Mark Marin, Joe Rogan beef. It's just interesting to see this Rogan sphere. I. I don't want to say collapse, but it's in. It's. It's in a rough state right now. There's. There's a bit. Yeah.
- [43:53]
A
Some things have Been highlighted. And, you know, I think that comedians are going to start kind of showing openly where they choose to perform, and that might change. Who knows? Who knows what that really even does? It's like, he's still going to get solid comedians performing their big names, you know, Harlan Williams, not gonna stop going there. Sure. Chappelle will, you know, still go down there. Pretty. I. Where do you think Bill Burr's been down there before? Where do you think Bill is now? I think Bill's like, talk some shit about that club, hasn't he?
- [44:34]
B
I'm not sure, man. I. I don't think Joe and Bill have really talked. I don't think they really even talk anymore.
- [44:42]
A
They used to be tight, though.
- [44:44]
B
When was the last time he was on? I think it was when Joe was doing the podcast out of, like, his toaster.
- [44:49]
A
Right? Yeah.
- [44:50]
B
You know. Yeah, it was a while ago because Bill really turned on Trump and Republicans and Elon.
- [44:59]
A
Huh.
- [44:59]
B
And I think the big thing was when he was, like, really embracing Luigi. Right. That was like, the real, like, okay, now he's. He's done with the Rogan sphere and the whole Covid thing. There's a. There's a lot that separated him from that comedy space. Yeah. I think he's just so far removed from it now, politically.
- [45:27]
A
It is interesting, though, like, picking your friends based on what they think about politics or, like, their particular views, it just doesn't seem all that necessary to do. It's like, do you either, like, the person or you don't? I mean, don't get me wrong. If they have, like, really far out there, crazy view that's, like, full of hatred, like, yeah, might be worth steering clear, but if it's just, like, some sort of ideology, it's just like, yeah, they're still your friend. Who really gives a shit? Are they funny? Like, do you enjoy their company? Do you have good conversations? Like, whatever.
- [46:04]
B
Was it this episode where they talk about how funny it was that when, like, Bill Burr roasted Joe during, like, the Trump election, and he's like, Little Rascals hat. I think it was.
- [46:17]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. That was that.
- [46:19]
B
Or was that Schultz?
- [46:22]
A
I mean, I don't think that was during the Trump election, was it?
- [46:27]
B
That was. That was like, the first one. That was like the. The Trump versus.
- [46:36]
A
Hillary.
- [46:37]
B
Hillary.
- [46:38]
A
Oh, that's right. The Comedy Store. Yeah. They had everyone together, and then Joe asked Bill if eating elk made him more aggressive, and he's like, no, Joe, you dumbass. I mean, yeah, Bill's so good at just putting people in in their place.
- [46:58]
B
And they were laughing about that. And Joe seems to really highly of him. Maybe it's Bill who's made the decision to, like, separate himself, not Joe. We'll never know. We'll. We'll probably find out in the future, you know?
- [47:13]
A
Yeah, probably. I think Joe's probably open to keeping conversations with most people, especially in the comedy world. I don't think that he's looking to hold too many grudges. I mean, possibly now with Marin, and obviously we get into that a lot more in the next episode. Yeah. But, yeah, that's the first time that I've heard him really speak out. And it seems clear that it's because he really didn't like how that went down with. With Theo, you know, which is ridiculous, dude.
- [47:49]
B
Like, I will get into that, but it's just. It's crazy, man. It's such a crazy time in comedy, no matter who you are, if you're an open micr, if you're a massive comedian with a platform, and they even talk about that a little more on this podcast about, like, where do new comedians go? That was like a big topic on this. And.
- [48:11]
A
Yeah, that's a good point. I wanted to get your. I wanted to get your feedback on this. You know, I've been out of the game now for. You know, I haven't performed anything for five and a half years, which is sad to say. That's how long it's been. And I mean, my last show was in Venice, and I think it was like April of 2020. And then during that show, the cops came and ended it. Even though we had all the. It was outside, we had all the spacing, like they said. I don't think that we had testing, but that wasn't one of the requirements. They just came and said, sorry, something else changed with the way that they tell us how to things, and now it's got to stop.
- [48:56]
B
It wasn't like a George Carlin incident where you were just speaking too much truth and they were like, no, it was just.
- [49:03]
A
It was just a lineup of probably 10 open micas. You know, I say open mic as people that have also put on some shows and been paid, you know, to do shows before. There was some pretty decent up and coming comics there. And we got through, like, maybe five of them. I think I was like third to go up. It was averagely okay. Mostly everyone was just riffing on Covid, honestly, because it was just really wild down there in Venice. And then, yeah, they just came along. Somebody, one of the neighbors Must have complained and then it was done and I never got another chance. So. Yeah, my point is, and question to you is with how everything's changed and you know, what, what the scene is like now, how do people do it? What are the differences?
- [49:55]
B
Yeah. So I've been doing comedy just about like, like a month ago now at four years. Four years I've been doing stand up and, you know, I've opened and performed with like Annie, Letterman, Rich Voss. I've been doing a lot of shows in Boston, like Laugh Boston, Nick's, the Comedy Studio, Shameless, Plug, I guess. But I've been on Kill Tony. That's a big one.
- [50:26]
A
I've done a lot in four years. You have done a lot for a comedian in four years?
- [50:30]
B
For sure, I've done a lot. And I've seen a lot of comics, fellow comedians who have started with me, like skyrocket. And I've also seen, like, mostly comics that have started when I did, like, just not improve. Get on zero shows, not do anything. And it's all a social media game now. That's what it is. It's not a path anymore. It's 800 forks in the road. That's what it is.
- [51:00]
A
Right.
- [51:00]
B
It's blow up through crowd work, blow up through clips, and then get booked that way. Be a social media influencer and then get your audience that way. Get on Kill Tony and then instantly be a headliner or just be so undeniably funny that clubs have to book you, clubs put you up, but it doesn't necessarily get you a big fan base. It's so weird. Now there's no real path anymore. And I kind of hate that. I do hate the state of comedy. I, I don't like that. It's just, you just figure it out on your own, do whatever you want. It's not, get on the Tonight show, get on this, get on that. There's a big thing now. Get a don't tell special. That's a, that's a big thing going around. But I don't know, I, I feel like Kill Tony isn't really, like people are calling and Rogan, people are saying, that's the Carson, that's the Letterman of today. And I kind of just don't like that comparison. They're, they're way different. They're definitely their own things. Yeah, Kill Tony can make careers. But I was talking with a few comics about this couple days ago actually, where his friend was a golden ticket winner and he's like, yeah, there's just so many golden ticket winners now. It just doesn't really mean anything anymore. Or Hans Kim, you know, or like anyone who got a golden. Or no, he was. Or he became a regular. But anyone who got a golden ticket, it was like massive, like in the beginning, big deal.
- [52:39]
A
For a while.
- [52:40]
B
Yeah, like. Like, yeah, yeah, it was Matt. And now it's just kind of. It's okay. You got a golden ticket now you gotta prove yourself. So I don't know, man. It's. It's a weird time. I don't know where things are headed. It's more so going towards the do it yourself attitude. The DIY of like, the. The YouTuber of like, you just gotta make it yourself. You can't have anyone just give you a career. But there's, of course, a handful of people that can. But if I got on the Tonight show, if I got on, you know, a lot of these old platforms that would boost careers. If I got on the Tonight show, dude, like, I would become a headliner, but it's not going to make my career. I wouldn't be able to like, tour as a headliner. Should be able to show it to bookers and like, yeah, sure, we'll throw you up as like a feature or maybe headline.
- [53:34]
A
Yeah, you know, it might give you, if you were that type of comedian, an SNL audition. You know, something like that. That could be potentially the biggest thing.
- [53:46]
B
You get from maybe not even like.
- [53:47]
A
It was back in the day.
- [53:49]
B
I. I have friends, man, who have gotten on Fallon and stuff, and they're able to like sometimes now do showcases. The most I think it ever gets you now is like a buddy of mine got on Fallon and now he sometimes the spots at the Cellar in New York, which is great. But before, that would just make your whole career, not just get you a spot at a club.
- [54:17]
A
Right.
- [54:18]
B
You know. Well, it is like the biggest club ever. Well, the biggest club in New York. But yeah, it's. It's strange. It's strange times. It's very strange times. And even Santino was talking about that on Bad Friends. He's like, I don't know what the happening in comedy anymore. Like, how this out the biggest comedy podcast. Aren't comedy podcasts. How it's just politics, politicians, a lot of tech guys. And I don't know what the future looks like for that. I don't know what the future looks like for open micrs and just comedy in general and what that ladder looks like as well as comedy podcasts, you know, do you have. Do you have any idea what, what the future of like, this whole of like the Rogan sphere style podcasts are going to look like in say, like 10, 20 years?
- [55:11]
A
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look, look, Rogan's show has obviously evolved, you know, but it didn't really.
- [55:18]
B
It was.
- [55:18]
A
It was always just like guys talking show that eventually sometimes it was funny when Joey Diaz was on or other comedians. Then it just became these like, bros hanging out, having arguments, getting stoned. Then he would have, you know, a few guests that were a bit more legit. So obviously it had this air of that was a little bit more serious. So Rogan's progression and show kind of trajectory is reasonable and it makes sense that it kind of went this way. And obviously he's, he's got a lot older now. It's been a long time in his life, obviously. Also, it's so popular too. It's got, you know, everything so heavily critiqued that he said that, you know, things have changed within it. Well, what's happened is he's dragged up friends around him that started their shows just being comedians and just being funny and then quickly found out their voice had weight too. And then they all took themselves seriously and their shows have all gone in whatever directions they've gone. Look at Schultz. I mean, it's funny sometimes. And then he's interviewing Trump, you know, or whatever it is. Theo is often pretty funny. I mean, his Cat Williams episode is one of my favorite podcasts of all time. But, you know, then they have Jordan Peterson on and they get into it and it's a bit more serious. Like, Theo has some range and he's quite an emotional person. That's, that's very, you know, he's good at being vulnerable and just honest and just kind of really analyzing how he thinks about things.
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B
Yeah.
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A
In a way, though, I think Tim Dillon is keeping it close when it comes to, like, being political but also being funny. He's so silly that he keeps it close to that, though. I didn't watch his, I didn't watch his interview with JD Vance, and I imagine that it was, you know, he was obviously a lot more serious because he was trying to keep J.D. vance, you know, sweet for the whole interview. But, I mean, Tim Dillon is a very silly person and I hope he holds on to that in the, in the podcasting space.
- [57:38]
B
But.
- [57:41]
A
You know, I see why it's easy again, just like the Rogan sphere as a whole is to hate on podcasters because they're massively popular. They make a shitload of Money. They don't have to prep at all to do their shows. It seems super easy what they do. They're just talking, and they're not serious.
- [58:03]
B
Right. Yet.
- [58:04]
A
They're trying to often make very serious points, and that probably pisses off people that are very serious trying to make serious points and not being listened to anywhere as much.
- [58:16]
B
Yeah, and it's punching up, too, at the same time, because a lot of these podcasts, like, privately talk to the government, hang out with, you know, Tim Dillon has gotten many dinners with J.D. vance and everything. So a lot of these podcasts are like, like, like, you know, holding hands with the current administration. So the fact that, like, we're, like, even. Let's, like, what is Schultz talking about? What. What certain comics are. Is even talking about? I wrote it down. Stavros, Santino, Bobby Lee, and Dan Soder. That's it. And we're talking, like, not even. Not even enough. You can count. You can, you know, like, four comics. That's nothing. It's like, I. I feel I don't understand where. It's like. It's like, yeah, it's good to have some pushback if you're that popular. Comics criticized each other. It's like. It's what keeps them fresh. It's what's healthy about it. And in fact, there's a total push that back. It's. It's ridiculous how. How much they're overreacting from it.
- [59:25]
A
Do you think Schultz is just trying to be the guy that's like, I got your back, Joe. Like, I'll stand. You know, I've been with you since the beginning. You're my boy. Like, f. Those guys, when Rogan is really, like, it's all right. They can say shit. I had Santino on recently. It's not like, a big deal. Like, people have opinions.
- [59:48]
B
Yeah, well, Joe's pretty much just trying to convince. Or I mean, Schultz is just trying to convince Joe that Santino is a snake on this episode. Yeah, that's what it is that he's saying. Like, yeah, yeah, dude. He's gonna, like, have Marin on Talk, and then anytime he has to come on, like, you know, do a. Have a special and promote it, here he comes knocking on your door, you know, which is, I think, kind of fair criticism, to be honest. But at the same time, it's like, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It's not that big of a deal. It really isn't. I think it's more of a petty beef between Santino and Schultz. But it's. It's stupid. It's really stupid. I think Joe is starting to kind of open his eyes to, like, the state of things.
- [60:36]
A
Yeah.
- [60:37]
B
Like, it's like every. Every week, he. By, like, another 1%, he starts to realize the state of comedy and just, like, the. The community and the. The Rogan sphere and who's beefing with who and what that means. And I don't see himself ever turning on Santino or, like, any of this stuff unless it gets, like, real big. Unless comics are, like, really starting to push back on Rogan because we're only talking, like, four people. We're not talking, like, there's a ton of these big. Like, even Bill Burr, dude, he's not on Rogan. No, Louis CK Is not, like, it's not like, these big comics.
- [61:22]
A
I don't even think Stavros was, like, really on the whole scene there. He was just making some commentary about some of the energy around how people talk down there. And, you know, each scene has its own vibe. New York has a different vibe than la. Everyone's always known that New York comics can make jokes about LA comics and vice versa. Often New York comics would come to LA and be at the Comedy Store and make jokes about how the LA scene is and how it's so different from the New York scene. And it was funny, and it was picking on L. A and how soft people were there. He's like, oh, I can't say the stuff I can say in New York. I can just shit all over someone in the crowd. You guys start crying, and it's like, there's. There's comedy in that. People would find it funny. I mean, you. Obviously, you got to deliver it well.
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B
But. Yeah, and the issue is a lot of these comics just have massive fucking egos. You know, I'm not sure what your opinion on Schultz is, but a lot of people call his panel a bunch of yes men.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
Who just clap and laugh anytime he has a point. And I do kind of. I've seen a couple flagrant episodes. Like, the one with Louis CK Was great. He's just roasting Schultz the whole time.
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A
Oh, nice. Louis does love to do that. There was a great Shane Gillis episode with on the President's Shane podcast where Louis was on. It was like, the first time Lou was on, and Lou is just giving him shit for, like, charging for the second half of the episode on Patreon. He's like, you don't need the money. Just give him the show, dude. And he's Like, Louie just loves to just rip on it and. And then Louis, like, left or went to the toilet or something. There was just a break and Shane's there like, you think Louis hates us? He's not gonna come back on, is it?
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B
It's great, dude.
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A
I love shit like that.
- [63:17]
B
That's a great episode. That's. That's like a great series, regardless. That's the Presidents, where Shane Gillis and. And Louis CK Go over every single president and, like, talk about it. It's such a.
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A
That's right. Yeah.
- [63:32]
B
Solid series. But, yeah, even Shane is starting to push back where he's being like, he's talking about. Yeah, the. The Pendulum, where he's talking about PC culture, and he's like, yeah, the pendulum is swung the other way now. Or whoever he's talking to, he's like, yeah, the pendulum swung the other way. And he's like. And Shane Gillis goes, have you been to the mothership? I feel like it's swung a little too high, you know? Yeah, some of the people were saying. And yeah, even Shane Gillis is starting to push back a little bit. So. I don't know, man. It's interesting times. We'll see what happens. It's definitely a civil war is heating up in the Rogan sphere, I think, and I'm excited to see what happens because I. I find it entertaining regardless, you know?
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A
Oh, yeah, it's. It's all entertaining and it all work itself out, and I don't think it's going to become anything too heavy because people just don't need these beefs. They're going to come around. And Joe, I think, is probably pretty good at finding middle ground, you know, he's going to make it clear I don't need anyone sticking up for me. And he's just going to create more of an invite to get these guys back on his show and other things and get them back out to his club and just kind of ease. Ease some of that energy, I'm sure. So we'll see. Good episode. You want to rate it for this week? And yeah, look out for the. The Marin Schultz Rogan Sphere special episode later in the week before.
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B
Before we end things off, we should rate the episode.
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A
Oh, the Schultz one.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I give it a solid seven. It was worth listening to.
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B
I give it. Yeah, I'd have to give it a seven, too, just for the drama.
- [65:20]
A
It was the drama. You know, It. Well, it was because of Rogan's rant on Marin. I've been waiting for that for a long time. I wanted to hear what he really thought. And we didn't really go over it because obviously we're going to do it mostly in the next episode and the effort.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But yeah, that was really what made that. That worth it for me for sure. Yeah. All right, guys, awesome. Talk to you later. Cheers.
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B
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