499 JRE Review of Paul Rosolie

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast: Episode 499 — Review of Paul Rosolie on JRE

Theme & Purpose

This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast, hosted by Adam Thorne with co-host Sean, dives deep into Paul Rosolie’s recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience. Paul Rosolie, known as the “Jungle Man,” is a conservationist, explorer, author, and founder of Jungle Keepers, dedicating his life to protecting the Amazon. Adam and Sean discuss Rosolie’s adventures, his conservation efforts, the dangers he faces, criticisms of performative environmentalism, encounters in the Amazon, and broader themes of masculinity, rites of passage, and modern life’s disconnection from nature.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Paul Rosolie’s Backstory & Social Media Persona

[02:14–03:24]

• Sean notes Paul’s viral Instagram presence, which showcases wild animal encounters but less of his actual conservation and philanthropy work.
• Adam explains that showcasing the “cool stuff” is what helped Paul build a following and catch Joe Rogan’s attention.

2. The Dangers of Conservation in the Amazon

[04:11–08:15]

• Paul contends with illegal deforestation, gold miners, drug cartels, and other dangers far more threatening than he anticipated.

• Sean recounts Paul’s story of nearly losing a $5,000 drone while evading narcos:

  “Better to lose a $5,000 drone than your life.” — Adam [06:37]

• The environment in the jungle is described as lawless and rife with suspicion toward outsiders, sometimes feeling like “the wild west.”

  “It’s like, not regulated. Just like every man for himself.” — Sean [08:31]

• Discussion of sketchy villages, eerie encounters (like the man who looked like Rasputin), and the constant need to sleep alert.

3. Scale and Speed of Amazon Deforestation

[09:37–11:23]

• Paul shares shocking statistics:

  “20% of the Amazon has been cut down.” — Sean [09:37]

• Adam and Sean reflect on the relentless rate of forest loss, comparing world population counters to deforestation counters:

  “It’s shrinking at an alarming rate.” — Adam [10:11]

• The Amazon’s lawless, ungoverned areas facilitate unchecked environmental destruction.

4. Conservation vs. Performative Environmentalism

[14:05–17:13]

• Adam introduces a central critique from Paul: the gap between “real” conservation and “armchair activism” or corporate greenwashing.
• Example: Clearing a road through forest for an environmental summit that didn’t happen.
• Sean rails against companies and lawmakers who virtue signal environmental concern but continue harmful practices:

  “Let’s change our logo to green and put some leaves on it… but don’t worry about the smokestacks.” — Adam [17:41]

• Frustration with legislative bloat and self-serving politics.

5. Economic Pressures & The Complexity of Solutions

[19:06–21:18]

• The short-term profit mentality of companies clashes with long-term environmental interests.
• Adam highlights the real-world dependence of local populations on activities like logging and mining for jobs.
• Paul’s “treehouse system” eco-expedition (high-end jungle lodges) is discussed as a way to attract investment and create local jobs.

6. Protected Areas and National Parks

[23:37–26:28]

• Paul’s push to get Amazon areas designated as national parks — but enforcement and governance remain key challenges.

7. Perilous Encounters: Stingray Bites vs. Bullet Ants

[27:13–29:54]

• Rosolie describes the severe pain of a stingray bite — “worse than bullet ants.”
• Sean is shocked by Paul’s resilience and his ability to recover quickly using local remedies.

8. Indigenous Knowledge and Connection to the Jungle

[31:33–35:14]

• Paul’s reverence for indigenous wisdom, including antidotes and medicines.

  “The locals just knowing, like, he had a snake bite...and it, like, healed him way quicker than someone else who had a similar one who went to a normal hospital.” — Sean [32:11]

• Discussion of traditional practices, ayahuasca, and non-Western healing.

9. Masculinity, Rites of Passage, and Modern Disconnection

[35:43–42:53]

• Rosolie and Rogan (in the original episode) discuss the lack of meaningful rites of passage in Western culture.
• Adam and Sean lament the “comfort” culture and argue for discomfort, challenge, and adventure as formative experiences.

  “Men crave challenge, danger, and meaning. Not comfort alone.” — Adam [39:47]

• The pressures on young people to choose career paths early, often without self-knowledge, are criticized.

10. Modern ‘Rites of Passage’ and Growth

[38:32–44:54]

• Today’s youth sometimes find their own challenges through travel or outdoor adventure.
• The distinction between meaningful formative experiences and mere escapism or comfort-seeking.

11. Paul Rosolie, Lex Fridman, and the Ayahuasca Experience

[45:35–49:14]

• Discussion of Lex Fridman joining Paul in the jungle, with Lex donning a suit and insisting on trying ayahuasca with a shaman.
• Paul, not usually a fan of psychedelics, joins Lex in the ceremony at the urging of the shaman.

  “He prefers the jungle. His own jungle. Right. That’s a jungle he doesn’t like to go into.” — Adam [46:39]

• Sean expresses interest in doing ayahuasca “with a proper shaman.”

12. The Power of Storytelling & Media

[49:18–50:50]

• Adam praises Rosolie as a storyteller and suggests he deserves a show of his own.
• Bringing attention to the Amazon’s plight through social media and repeated guest spots on Rogan has real impact.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If he was just putting on, look, I saved this tree. Not very exciting. He’s like, hey, I'm wrestling this snake. Then people like Joe Rogan are like, oh, that's dope.” — Adam [03:12]
• “Better to lose a $5,000 drone than your life.” — Adam [06:37]
• “It’s like, not regulated. Just like every man for himself.” — Sean [08:31]
• “20% of the Amazon has been cut down.” — Sean [09:37]
• “Let’s change our logo to green and put some leaves on it… but don’t worry about the smokestacks.” — Adam [17:41]
• “Men crave challenge, danger, and meaning. Not comfort alone.” — Adam [39:47]
• “He prefers the jungle. His own jungle. Right. That’s a jungle he doesn’t like to go into.” — Adam (referring to ayahuasca) [46:39]
• “He’s a good storyteller. He really is.” — Sean [07:44]

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Important Timestamps

• Paul’s Social Media Approach: [02:14–03:24]
• Dangers in the Amazon (narcos, loggers, gold miners): [04:11–08:15]
• Deforestation Stats & Emotional Impact: [09:37–11:23]
• Performative Environmentalism & Corporate Greenwashing: [14:05–17:13]
• Conservation Economics & Treehouse Expeditions: [19:06–23:18]
• National Parks and Enforcement Issues: [23:37–26:28]
• Stingray Bite Story: [27:13–29:54]
• Indigenous Knowledge & Traditional Medicine: [31:33–35:14]
• Rites of Passage & Masculinity: [35:43–42:53]
• Modern Growth & College Disillusionment: [38:32–44:54]
• Lex Fridman & Ayahuasca in the Amazon: [45:35–49:14]
• Paul’s Storytelling, Advocacy, & Audience Reaction: [49:18–52:57]

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Audience Reaction and Final Ratings

[50:50–52:57]

• Episode praised for authenticity and lack of “inspirational porn.”
• Strong crossover appeal to fans of survival, masculinity, and resilience.
• Minimal criticism; lauded for frank discussions.
• Adam’s algorithm rating: 9/10 for online viewership; his personal rating: 7.5/10
• Sean gives it a solid 8/10.

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Conclusion

Adam and Sean provide an engaging, thoughtful review that highlights Paul Rosolie’s unique contributions to conservation and storytelling. They explore the gritty realities of the Amazon—not just the thrilling wildlife encounters, but the economic, political, and existential challenges at play. The episode deftly weaves in larger questions about modern life, purpose, and our relationship with nature, all while celebrating Rosolie as a voice who brings much-needed attention to a critical global issue.

For Rogan and Rosolie fans alike, this Review episode distills the urgency, danger, and outright awe of Amazonian conservation with lively commentary, relatable anecdotes, and a healthy dose of humor.

Transcript

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[Sean]

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[Adam Thorne]

Welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we are reviewing Paul Rosselli, the Jungle Man. What an exciting time.

[Sean]

Yeah, I've, I've seen this guy before on like he's all over Instagram, like his, like clips of him talking about the Amazon and the anacondas and just like being in the jungle. But I didn't know much of his backstory. So it's, it's, it's cool to. Cool to learn more about that. And it's also. I mean, it's amazing what he's doing, you know, like, dedicating his life to protecting this area. But on Instagram and stuff, you only see, like, him, like, wrestling with the anacondas and, like, talking about the Amazon. And for whatever reason, you don't see a lot of his philanthropy and, you know, his. You don't see him talk about his program or whatever.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he puts the coolest stuff on there, obviously, because that's just way cooler. But, you know, that kind of makes sense. He wants to build a big Instagram by doing that. He gets on shows. That's how Joe Rogan saw him.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, if he was just putting on, look, I saved this tree. Not very exciting. He's like, hey, I'm wrestling this snake. Then people like Joe Rogan are like, oh, that's dope.

[Sean]

That's cool.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm into it. Yeah. So he's a jungle conservationist, explorer, author, and the founder of Jungle Keepers. He's best known for the living. For living deep in the Amazon, documenting illegal deforestation and putting himself in genuinely dangerous situations and. Yeah, really very dangerous situations from everything that he's saying. And, yeah, in this episode, he sits down and talks about his adventures. Environmental collapse, masculinity, fear, and modern disconnection from nature, which is, like, a cool part of this episode that they get into a lot.

[Sean]

I never listened to the first one. I'm sure you did.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. It was really just, like, the big introduction to who he is and what he does.

[Sean]

Yeah. Because he was talking a lot about how in his efforts to kind of preserve the Amazon, things have elevated a lot, and he's kind of pushing up against these forces that are a bit bigger than he maybe realized when he started doing this, talking about the gold miners and the narcos and government stuff, and just people who are making a lot of money from the Amazon are obviously not happy when some guy's like, hey, we should stop doing that. And he's feeling a lot of that pressure.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Well, you could imagine anywhere where there's a great deal of money, and it's not like there are police forces just walking around protecting you. If they don't have their own security, you know, you're in trouble.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Dangerous.

[Sean]

Yeah. I mean, I remember he was talking about. He was on a boat with jj. I guess, is his friend in the jungle or someone who helps him out. And he was talking about how they were filming, like, drone footage and they got run up by some of these narcos, and then they started, like, going away from them because obviously they looked crazy and threatening. But he had a drone in the air, and he's like, jj, like this. I need this drone. He was like, it's like $5,000. And JJ's like, no, we're not. We're not stopping. And he kind of understood the gravity of the situation. And like, that's scary. Yeah, that's really scary.

[Adam Thorne]

Could have kamikaze the drone.

[Sean]

Yeah, he ought to put a weapon system on it. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You would have thought that the drone. When I was hearing that, I was like, aren't the drones faster than boats? Drones are usually pretty quick.

[Sean]

Drones can be.

[Adam Thorne]

I think maybe he's not good at flying it.

[Sean]

Well, if you have a. If you have like a. Around $5,000 that gets you into, like, some pretty. I mean, compared to, like. Compared to, like, movie stuff, it's not crazy. But, like, that's a big drone, and they have big cameras on them at that price. And so I imagine that with all the equipment, they're a lot slower than you might think.

[Adam Thorne]

That makes sense.

[Sean]

Cause the. The portable ones. The portable ones you can fit in your backpack, like DJI and stuff like that. Those are actually pretty fast. And those could probably catch up to a boat, but a big one with a camera on the bottom of it, like, really stable, probably isn't terribly fast. Yeah, they were probably hauling ass. I mean, they're probably. Definitely going as fast as they possibly can.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, sure.

[Sean]

So sure. But yeah, that's just unfortunate. I mean, better to lose a $5,000 drone than your life.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, 100%. Yeah. You're not taking any risks like that. I mean, you know, they talk about getting to that kind of, Dare I say, village, but it's kind of like that community area where they all meet up. You know, they're trading, they're doing their things. It kind of like reminds me of one of those little spots in Star Wars.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know what I mean? It just kind of had that sound and feel like there'd be a fire over there and people are trading and doing things. But didn't they say there was like, that guy that kind of looked like Rasputin?

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Kind of like religious looking dude that was, like, really skeptical of them, but just wouldn't come close. And he just kind of had this, like, eerie feel about him. And the end. They kind of slept back to back the whole night.

[Sean]

Well, they. Yeah, they. I think they were saying that compared To a lot of the other places that they stopped, this place was like, way more sketchy.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And like, yeah, they were getting some weird looks from people.

[Adam Thorne]

Just the way he built up that story, like, you could almost feel it.

[Sean]

Yeah, he's a good storyteller. He really is.

[Adam Thorne]

Immediately I was just like, I, I'm not going.

[Sean]

Well, I feel like regardless of where you are in the Amazon, I mean, I feel like you always have to have your, your head on a swivel because you're either like, you know, all the creatures. And I've, I've heard like he's talked about how easy it is to get lost out there because everything looks the same and it's just like huge. And so, yeah, you gotta be always alert when you're in those areas. Even in villages and stuff like that.

[Adam Thorne]

No doubt.

[Sean]

That seems like a high stress environment to operate in.

[Adam Thorne]

So what are the big things that he says go on there? Illegal logging is a big thing.

[Sean]

Logging.

[Adam Thorne]

Then there's cartels. There's gotta be like, drug stuff going on.

[Sean]

And then he said gold miners.

[Adam Thorne]

Gold miners.

[Sean]

Gold miners. And they're all, they're all. Yeah, like the wild west pretty much in certain areas. Like, not regulated. Just like every man for himself. Yeah, that was what he described when he went to that village. He was like saying that people were like looking at him and were like, yeah, we could kill this guy and take his stuff. You know, he was getting like those kind of vibes from people.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I wonder what he's got.

[Sean]

Yeah, that backpack looks nice, you know. Yeah, but you know, the narcos and then the gold miners and then. Yeah, I think the loggers, they spent a lot of time talking about the loggers because that's like, you know, obviously, like, deforestation is a big problem. Well, he also mentioned, and I didn't know this, but he was talking about how, you know, a lot of people assume that, you know, they maybe know that part of the Amazon is being deforested or like, you know, getting burned or whatever it is, like, in harm. But a lot of people think like, oh, well, it's so big, you know, it's not that big a deal. But he said like 20% of the Amazon has been like, cut down.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

Which is so sad.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he said the destruction is happening, like, at a much greater rate than people realize. Have you ever been to one of those museum spots that has the counters on and sometimes it has the counters that shows, like, the human race going up.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It just goes real fast. And then also in another spot, sometimes it has, like, the forest acreage, and it's going down. That one's creepy because it goes down fast. And that's whole acres of forest.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, obviously there's a lot of acres, so it takes a long time. But I mean, that number it was. Is shrinking, you know, at an alarming rate. And you just like, how long can that get? Well, obviously, how long can it till it gets to zero? Obviously.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Wow.

[Sean]

Yeah. And I mean, like, where we live, you know, we're surrounded by forests and mountains, and, you know, we're clearly, like, in a town, and so we're kind of covered off. But, you know, if you live in some urban area, I mean, literally the whole thing was forest at some time, and then all, like, almost all the trees are gone. And so. Yeah, it's just like, that just happens, you know, when people move into areas the. Yeah, Well, I think the crazy thing about the Amazon, because, you know, you have. You have developments and deforestation, like, that's pretty popular. But in the Amazon, a lot of it, like I was saying earlier, is unregulated. And so it's like people fighting amongst themselves, like, taking land and like, you know, just. Yeah, it's like gangs and stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, nobody owns it.

[Sean]

Yeah, nobody owns it. There's no government out there to regulate anything. There's no police force. Like, you're on your own. And it's like it's our squad versus their squad a lot of times where.

[Adam Thorne]

The government just doesn't seem to have the resources to intervene in any way or not much at all. And then, of course, you know, the people out there are used to it. They know how to maneuver around it all and disappear and just set up camp somewhere else. I mean, it's big enough place. This podcast is brought to you by DraftKings Casino. Get cozy. Cause DraftKings Casino is turning up the heat this winter. Play more than 1000 slots every. Everything from classics like Cash Eruption to exclusives like Fire Buffalo. New players can wager $5 and get 500 spins over 10 days on your choice of Cash Eruption slots. Download the DraftKings Casino app, sign up with code JRER and start spinning. The crown is yours. In partnership with DraftKings Casino Gambling Problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888789 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly. 21 physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia. Only void in Ontario, eligibility restrictions apply. Non withdrawable casino spins issued as 50 spins per day for 10 days. Valid for featured games only and expire each day after 24 hours. See [e-mail] promos ends March 15, 2026 at 11:59pm Eastern Time. Chime is changing the way people bank. Chime isn't just another banking app. They unlock smarter banking for everyday people. Bank fee free plus overdraft coverage you can count on with qualifying direct deposits. You get 1.5% cash back on eligible Chime card purchases. Younger self would have benefited from this. Chime is not just smarter banking. It is the most rewarding way to bank. Join the millions who are already banking. Ranking fee free today. Head to chime.comjre that is chime.comjrei it only takes a few minutes to sign up and Joe Rogan experienced review listeners can earn up to an extra $350.

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[Sean]

Yeah, it's.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it's a rough one. A big complaint also that Paul had was kind of like conservation verse, like performative environmentalism. And that's, that's kind of a big critique that he had. Like, openly critical of, like, armchair activism, you know, corporate green branding where.

[Sean]

Yes.

[Adam Thorne]

Hey, yeah, you know, we go to, you know, the environmental summit, but we all flew there in a private jet. Or just like that picture they brought up where they like, cleared out this road.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Of a forest so they could get to this environmental summit.

[Sean]

And then you're like, wait a second. What didn't they say? They didn't even do the summit.

[Adam Thorne]

They didn't do it.

[Sean]

They moved it. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Sean]

So it's like they did it for nothing.

[Adam Thorne]

They chopped the trees down for no reason. Yeah, well, that's the irony.

[Sean]

That's one of the things that really annoys me the most about the climate change topic is that, like, it does matter. It's really important. Like, we're at a really critical time. If you look at the science. But then at the same time, these companies, a lot of them don't care. You know, like, they don't care. And so they have to act like they care and act like, you know, they're part of the solution. And so, on one hand, you have, like, a real problem, but then you also have a bunch of people who are like, oh, yeah, no, this is a real problem. And then like, kind of convincing everybody that they're actually helping out. And then you have, like, this has happened so many times in our country where we'll have some new green deal that's supposed to come out, and, like, the basis of it is maybe good. You know, like a green deal that would be good, you know, like pass some legislation to help the environment. But then they use it as, like a. They just tag on a bunch of other shit that they want to do. Like, they'll have, like, their environmental policies, and then under it, they'll just add a bunch of laws that are, like, not related in any way and are, like. And are, like, damaging to the environment or are just, like, completely unrelated, but they just use it as like, oh, we're going to pass the bill. We're just going to add a bunch of shit. No one's going to really know about it. But it's the green deal. We're gonna market it as, this is for the environment. And so they try to, you know, collect everyone to like, hey, guys, we're helping the environment. But in the back, they have a bunch of shit that they're doing to benefit their side.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. They're like, what's this line? Free blow for all congressmen.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. It doesn't seem related. They're like, don't worry about it. It's for the environment. Don't Worry about line 10, page 14.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Moveon.com. they do. They do love to do that.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And that is. That is just dirty politics, isn't it? But often it's how you get the bills passed. It's almost like no bills get passed unless, you know, everybody's sat there in Congress just going, oh, you want my vote? You got to put this in.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, you want my vote? You got to put this in. And then all of a sudden, a bill, it just becomes a completely different thing by the time it's done.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

That's just the rules.

[Sean]

That's just. Yeah. Part of the problem.

[Adam Thorne]

Playing the game.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, to think that, like, a pure bill goes through unchanged. Good luck.

[Sean]

The only thing you need, you need.

[Adam Thorne]

A 9, 11, and a patriot Act. For that to happen, probably the Patriot act was the only thing that was proposed and went in. Exactly, came out exactly how it went in. And it's also the worst piece of garbage that could have ever gone through.

[Sean]

The only thing our government seems to be able to collectively agree on is the support to Israel, which is just.

[Adam Thorne]

Or just war in general after a disaster. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? But yes, that's it. I mean in a big part of it is a lot of times when you're talking about corporations, they need to make money today, right. It's all driven by the stock system and the shareholders and that unlimited growth kind of proposal. All companies have to get bigger and make more profit all the time to appease the shareholders. Therefore there's no stopping. And because of that we have to think about profit today. Well, the environment is tomorrow and next week and next month and 10 years down the road. So let's virtue signal for a while. So it looks nice. Let's change our logo to green and put some leaves on it. That looks pretty good. And then say some things about the environment, like we planted five trees. Yeah, that looks pretty good. They're just smokestacks out of the back of their warehouse, but don't worry about that. And also at the end of the day, it's kind of a lot of this conservation is unglamorous as well for many people. It kind of isn't like on the forefront of most people's problems and their thinking.

[Sean]

Yeah, absolutely. And there is a lot of, there is a lot of work that we still need to do in developing countries and there are a lot of people that live in poverty. And so creating economic opportunities for those people will help them. But yeah, like you said, it's all about short term profits. And so these companies, the real environment thing is going to cost a lot of money now and maybe in the future it'll start to kind of heal itself and fix itself. But it's not a five year thing, it's not a ten year thing. It's like, you know, maybe our grandchildren will have a better life, you know, and in a lot of ways we need to think like that, you know, but it's hard to do that when it's like you're taking money out of my pocket now and I like am maybe never gonna see it again. You know, that's really hard to convince companies to do so. That's the real problem is that, you know, we need to start thinking about like the next generation, like our kids or our Grandkids, you know, and start paying for some of these bills. Because up until now we've just not given a. We've just, you know, burned everything, sucked all the oil up. You know, it's like now that we have the technology to like actually move things in a healthy way and create sustainable systems, it's like that's what we need to be focusing on. You know, now that we have, we have enough money to do that if we prioritize. Right. And, you know, we have people who are passionate about that, which we do. A lot of young people really are passionate about the environment for good reasons. But. Yeah, we just need to get out of this mindset that we're stuck in.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure. But you know, when you say we, it's like, who's going to replace the jobs for those people down there? I mean, you know, there's a reason a lot of these loggers and gold miners are out there doing this.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, the economies in some of these countries aren't great and the job opportunities aren't fantastic in some of these spots. So, you know, this is how their market is working.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And we can't force their government to do things.

[Sean]

No, of course not.

[Adam Thorne]

So whether we're caring all that much or not, it's like, what are we doing there?

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Now what we can do is create maybe opportunities for them that are different. Paul does talk about that by on a much smaller scale offering them jobs, but obviously he can't hire all of them. When he was on before, he talked about this kind of treehouse system that he was building in this one area. And I really like the idea. It's like super bougie, high up in the jungle, tree houses that are all connected.

[Sean]

That seems useful in the Amazon to be above.

[Adam Thorne]

And you can see and it's like, you know, bedrooms and you can walk around and then there's like, you know, you probably got Elon's Starlink Internet and somehow some generators, maybe some power or solar panels or, you know, little few bits of creature comforts which make it cool. And the idea was to create expeditions. So because look, at the end of the day, taking wealthy people that could become investors or just people that you want to show this beauty to out to the jungle is not easy to do. It's a hard survival type. It's like not fun. You're going to get bit by ants. It's not comfortable.

[Sean]

There's very few people who sign up to do that.

[Adam Thorne]

And you can't, you can't see anything. Most of the time it's just trees.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And it's dark and that you're covered by the, you know, it's like that kind of. But if you can get above them and get a little bit comfortable and just get a bit of a space, then yeah, you, there's a better chance you can take some wealthy people down there that care about the environment that can start spreading that message and investing some money and really bringing, putting some eyes on what's happening. That's not a bad plan.

[Sean]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

Like that's a good strategy for kind of making, you know, something happen.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And then potentially creating a whole system, whether it be tourist or otherwise, to where you can start employing locals to be a part of that. And then who knows, less bloggers and less gold miners and preserve some areas one piece at a time.

[Sean]

Yeah. He was talking about like getting an area designated as like a national park, which is really good because national parks are like governed. It's like a government body. And so you, you know, assuming you have enough people that work there, you can like actually protect the area.

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[Sean]

You know, by law, right. Like when I went to Costa Rica a couple years ago, they have a bunch of national parks and some of them were like not terribly exciting. Like I was like, you know, like in, in the United States at least I Feel like when you go to a national park out here, most of them you're like, you get there and you're like, instantly are like, okay, I see why this is a national park. Like, this is unlike anything I've ever seen. There was a lot of them that weren't like that, but they had a lot of national parks. And I was just curious why they had so many. And it was not necessarily about like, oh, we want to make this a tourist area, or we want to profitize this, or this is a, like, really special place. It's just like, we want to protect this area and by creating a national park there, it's a pretty easy way to just like, designate that as national park. Then again, you know, that's not always easy to do in the Amazon when you can't designate, you know, a government or people to protect the area.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure.

[Sean]

You know, because, you know, if you're trying to mine for gold, if no one's out there looking like you don't care if it's a national park or not, you have to actually be able to enforce that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, what are you going to trouble.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

Please don't get to build a wall. Please don't mine for gold.

[Sean]

Please, please, we're begging you.

[Adam Thorne]

And say, oh, there might be gold over there. I'm going to.

[Sean]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the governing problem is, is. Is really the tough.

[Adam Thorne]

Is a start, though, to try, you know.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What was some of the more boring or less impressive national parks in Costa Rica?

[Sean]

I'd have to look them up, but.

[Adam Thorne]

Do you remember just looking at them being like, that's kind of normal. Is just like a field.

[Sean]

It was, it was just like beaches. A lot of beaches were, like, designated as national parks. There were a couple of really cool ones. Like one we went to was like a volc. Know. And then there was another one that was also a beach, but it was like very, like a really, really pretty beach. But yeah, just looking at the map of Costa Rica, you'll see there's a bunch of like, areas that are national parks. And it's. I think they have like over 20, which for a small country is a lot.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

But yeah, they, they just designate that land to protect it.

[Adam Thorne]

That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Well, that's a good move. I mean, that's a way to do it for sure. And you know, that could be done. Oh, what about his stingray bites? That sounded nasty.

[Sean]

That sounded awful. Yeah, because he said of all the thing, all the pain he's experienced that was like by far the worst.

[Adam Thorne]

Uh huh. He said worse than bullet ants.

[Sean]

Yeah. Which I've heard. Everyone I've heard that has. I haven't met anybody but everyone online that I've heard do bullet ants or like say talk about them have always said it's the worst pain.

[Adam Thorne]

Steve O. Yeah.

[Sean]

I mean, with a name like Bullet Ants, you know, you can kind of get an idea. But no, the stingray sounded absolutely miserable. And it was unfortunate for him too because he was talking about how he was at a spot where he was like, you know, done a long stretch for like several months and then he was like really like about to leave within like a couple weeks or maybe a month. And he was like, you know, I've already had all these injuries. I'm just gonna take it easy and just like not take any stupid risks. Like no more wrestling snakes. You know, I'm just gonna kind of chill out and enjoy the rest of my time. And then he was just like went to some waterfall and then boom. Stingray. Yeah, that really sucks.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Bad timing. Well, didn't he say that it just sliced half of the skin off his foot or something?

[Sean]

Yeah. I mean, he's also talking about how he was like blacking out and then.

[Adam Thorne]

It was like, like black goo came out of it too after a while. Yeah, like venom. I don't know, just like what happened in his body. Like a reaction.

[Sean]

Yeah, probably like a reaction to the infection.

[Adam Thorne]

Sting.

[Sean]

But yeah, he said there was like people watching him and like everyone was like going up and be like, how can I help? And he's like, just leave me alone.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, let me die off.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

God, I can't even imagine. Well, he said he knew that they were there. I guess he just wasn't that worried about it. And you know, I just wonder if that, if the pain is that bad, I wonder how that changes how he maneuvers in the water moving forward. Yeah, I guess. I mean, he talks a lot about fear in general and like how your nervous system has to adapt to kind of threats out in the jungle. Like you just because you're there, like panic kills your decision making.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So you just kind of get used to being in this zone of like, I'm locked in, like this is how I think.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, I need to be on my game. So maybe he's a little bit resilient to that. But if the pain is as bad as he said, I've got a feeling that he's going to adjust the way.

[Sean]

That he's going to double Check waterfalls in the future. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

With a little stick.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Just stick in the ground every now and again.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

No good.

[Sean]

I wonder how the. I'm sure the stingrays worse than jellyfish.

[Adam Thorne]

It depends. Some jellyfish.

[Sean]

Jellyfish, yeah. Well, I know they can kill you, but I've also heard they're really, really painful.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, they can be.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Sting the hell out of you.

[Sean]

Yeah. That fun.

[Adam Thorne]

Mmm. I swam through, like a swarm of. I don't know what you would call them. Swarm school.

[Sean]

A big of jellyfish.

[Adam Thorne]

Pile of them. Yeah. Tiny ones. St. Lucia. And they weren't super poisonous.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

But it was just a whole thing of them. And I turned around and I was like, oh, shoot. And I couldn't get away, but they were real small and they just kind of floated past me and it was just like lots of tiny little electric shocks.

[Sean]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

And when I got out, I was just covered in little dots and it wasn't fun. It took ages to go away.

[Sean]

Oh, really?

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

I was just gonna say that sounds kinda cool, actually.

[Adam Thorne]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't nice.

[Sean]

Sounds like a special moment.

[Adam Thorne]

It hurt a lot worse after I got out of the water. It took a minute to kick in, but it was not good. And I'm pretty white, so it really showed up on me. Yeah, Yeah. I couldn't hide.

[Sean]

It looked.

[Adam Thorne]

I look ridiculous, but. And the embarrassing thing is they did warn me about jellyfish before I got in the water, and I didn't listen, so that's kind of on me.

[Sean]

Yeah, you did to yourself.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that was on me there. Whoops.

[Sean]

I really liked in the podcast when he was talking about his connection with, like, the indigenous people and just the jungle itself. Like, it was very. It sounded like, not like, religious in a way, but like, along the same kind of lines of, like, having, like, a special connection with the place.

[Adam Thorne]

And.

[Sean]

And then all of the stuff that he said about, like, the locals just knowing, you know, just knowing, like, he had. What was it? I think a snake bite. Some sort of snake bite. And then they, like, use their, like, local remedy. And it, like, healed him way quicker than someone else who had a similar one who, like, went to a normal hospital, and they're like, we don't know what to do.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, wow.

[Sean]

Yeah. The guy in the hospital lived, but it took him way longer to recover. But the people that he was with were like, no, we have this special thing that we do and we'll take care of you. And then he was like. I think he said, the next day he was like back to not, maybe not back to normal but like could walk and like was functioning.

[Adam Thorne]

But you often hear that though, don't you, that like the Amazon and the people down there have like, they just know the medicines, these natural remedies and medicines that are just far more superior and often I wonder what is true, what's kind of a wives tale and what's somewhat, somewhat exaggerated. I'm inclined to believe it though. Yeah, I really am. I'm like, oh, I bet they do have some good stuff especially for like some of the antibiotic remedies that they come up with. Wiping into wounds and just there we go, it's gone, it's all clean.

[Sean]

Yeah. Because you have to think that the, the infection that you're getting is localized to that area. And so having an antibiotic that's also specialized for that area, you know, that's obviously going to be better.

[Adam Thorne]

And they must be getting infections all the time. Yeah, you know, they're just running around cloths on.

[Sean]

Yeah, I imagine you build up a tolerance somewhat and there's maybe a genetic aspect to that. Like tough, you know, they're not going to, they're not going to get the diseases as commonly. But yeah, I mean I've heard that with a lot of other areas outside the Amazon. Like, like when he was talking about like, you know, like Joe was like, you know, how do you find this stuff or how do you figure this stuff out? And he kind of, he, he talked about like ayahuasca, but he was like, you know, use the term like the gods gave it to us. Like I've heard that a lot with other cultures. You know, like there's just something that is in that local area that's like such a, like an on the nose thing that helps out in that area and they're like God gave it to us, you know.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that's, that's the story. Yeah, how it was passed down and.

[Sean]

I like that kind of stuff though.

[Adam Thorne]

Those things are cool for sure. And they've had it for you know, thousands of years and no one knows where it came from. Yeah, it's, it's really cool stuff.

[Sean]

And I even, I even think about like not to be like a total hippie, but I often think that like in our western culture there's a lot of medication that or a lot of maybe natural remedies that are almost as effective, if not more effective than like, you know, stuff you get at the doctor. Like obviously I don't think you can just like Drink some tea and then your cancer's healed, but, you know, for, like, more minor things, you know.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. A bit of, like, honey.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

For a sore throat or something.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Instead of, you know, lozenges or whatever. Tylenol.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm sure there are some things.

[Sean]

I think they're gatekeeping. Some of these natural remedies.

[Adam Thorne]

No doubt. I mean, listen, for most things, they just give you. You a mild kind of painkiller. They're basically just saying, let's shut him up or hurt him for a while. Yeah. Just get rid of that and then keep them quiet and it'll go away. Heal themselves while we just make them a bit drowsy.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Go to sleep.

[Sean]

And then you have to take this pill, like, four times a day for, like, two years.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And then you're on medication for life.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

There you go. What did you think about some of the rite of passage? You know, stuff they were talking about, like, masculinity, rites of passage, and, you know, the lack of it today in our modern world, therefore, the emptiness of it. Like, Joe and Paul were talking about that in terms of, like, in our society, we don't really have a rite of passage.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, people just grow up. Kids just, you know, you go from eighth grade, high school, and then it's like, all right, graduate. Go to college. Like, there's not this moment where you're like, right now, you are a man. Let's do this ritual that has you become a man. And in the past, many, many cultures had that. And it's like a, you know, a very difficult test. That's hard. And, you know, I understand why it phased out. There was probably danger in there. There was probably seen as unnecessary danger. There were some issues with that. And it's like, you know, almost like hazing and fraternities. It's like, yeah. You know, a couple of kids get thrown off a roof with two mattresses tied around them, and then they're like, yeah, we should stop this. This is not a good move. We come up with something else, however, you know, it's like the adventure, risk and responsibility are missing from many modern lives, in a way.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And we do see this. Like, I know that I have friends or acquaintances in my life that, you know, got into their 20s and 30s and are now in their 40s. And I know they literally haven't been challenged since they were forced to read out loud in high school.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

They literally have just been able to dodge and take, like, the easiest paths with no real challenge.

[Sean]

At all.

[Adam Thorne]

And I'm not saying the lies were easy. Like, life's coming at you no matter what.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's gonna be frustrating and difficult in its own way, but you can continually dodge.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Difficult things.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I think we're unfulfilling and you are not prepared for much at all.

[Sean]

Yeah. I think it is really useful. And I do like the idea in a lot of cultures where they have like, once you get to a certain age, you know, you have this ritual that you do, or you have this challenge that you have to face or I think just like, even like just in life nowadays, young kids are under so much pressure. You know, you go through high school, by the time you're in like 10th grade, they're like, have you thought about college? You know, like, do you know what you want to do in life? Like, you know, you're like a 16 year old kid and they're like, have you cr. Have you, have you chosen a career path? You know, and you're like, I don't know how the world works yet, you know, And I, I know.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, it's kind of not reasonable to even ask someone when they're in college.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What their career is gonna be.

[Sean]

But, you know, you go through high school and then you immediately start college. And then throughout college they're like, do you have a job? You know, do you have a career? You know, and it's just like the same thing. And then you just go through life and you don't really have like a time to just like kind of break away from that and just like assess and like, you know, connect with yourself and really like, do things. And I think that's why I always, I mean, it's, it's really hard and not accessible for a lot of people. But I think like, traveling when you're young is so useful and just like, you know, people who are like, nah, fuck it, I'm just gonna go backpacking for a summer or whatever it is, you know, do something cool, do something crazy. Like, do something that like brings you out of your normal life.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I think that that is the modern version of a rite of passage. I think there is that moment when you become an adult and you leave the village. You leave the pride in a sense. Right. It's like the, the alpha male of the tribe doesn't want the younger, strong males in the village anymore. It's like, you need to go. You need to go off, explore, find yourself and maybe come back if you need to. But like, you need to go.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And those that, you know, these kids that feel compelled to go traveling like that, go off to college or move out or move away, they are the ones that grow in that sense. You know, I mean, men crave challenge, danger, and meaning. Right? Not comfort alone. It's like, there's time for comfort, but if you're leaning into it too much, especially at certain ages of development, you'll give it. You're doing yourself a disservice, for sure.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, really, when those needs aren't met, they're gonna show up in different ways, and it's gonna look like depression, addiction, you know, anger, fear, rage. It's not good.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, probably all on Reddit in your mom's basement.

[Sean]

Yeah, Reddit's useful sometimes, but it's an angry place. It can be. I've seen it. Yeah. But I think, yeah, young people are just under so much pressure, and then. Yeah, you just never have a time to, like, just figure out, like, hey, what do. What do I want to do in life? Or, you know, whatever it is. I knew way. And maybe this is just the school that I went to, but I knew way too many people that were, like, juniors and seniors in, like, whatever career path. And, you know, you talk to them and they're like, yeah, you know, I just, like, chose this, you know, seemed like a good, like, starting point. And it's like, you just have no idea what you're doing, and you're just lost. And it's unfortunate. And I think a lot of it is, like, you know, they get pressured from their parents where it's like, you got to go to school, you got to get a. Get some degree. And I think that's useful. But, you know, they would just, like, not give a. About school and just see it as, like, oh, this is just something I need to, like, check off. And then, you know, they were, like, partying or, like, out here. You know, people go skiing all the time or fly fishing or whatever it is, but just, like, escaping from school and, like, not. Not really finding a clear direction or purpose. You know, I think, like you said, like, just seeking, like, comfort or just, like, staying with what they're comfortable or just doing things that make them happy.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure.

[Sean]

You know, it's like, you gotta. Sometimes you just gotta, like, have a chat with yourself and be like, what are we doing?

[Adam Thorne]

Well, you know, it's got to be your purpose if that. If your parents are making you do it, it's their purpose. It's way harder to motivate yourself for someone else's purpose. And the point is, you've just moved away to college to get away from your parents. It's not just to go to college. It's to have freedom and autonomy. But they've sent you there to go do something that they want you to do. The hope is that you get to college to do something you want to do.

[Sean]

Yeah. Or at least figure that out along the way, Right? Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. So, I mean, that's it. Parents, like, do your best to back off at that point because you're really not helping them.

[Sean]

No. Long run. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like the more you force it, the less likely it's gonna actually go there.

[Sean]

Yeah. You don't want to do something for the right reasons. And. Yeah, I think the happiest people I met in college were people who, like, knew kind of what they wanted to do and then were, like, learning about the things that they were excited about and actually doing the things that they felt purpose in and genuinely enjoyed.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, I feel bad for people that didn't get to enjoy college. I really feel bad for people that didn't get to enjoy high school. But also, I rarely say that because so many people didn't really enjoy high school. Yeah, high school was not fun for the majority of people. And what's interesting is, even when I talk to people now that I thought were part of the group that really enjoyed it, because in my perception, they were having a really good time, like, I was. Didn't.

[Sean]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Now, my first semester, freshman year in the United States, I did not like, because I just moved here and I didn't understand the culture, and it was so different, and it was just. It was really uncomfortable. By sophomore year, I got into it and I was like a novelty. I'm in New Mexico. I'm like, the only English person, really anyone has met. And it was interesting. Like, it was good for me. It was smooth from then on. But mostly everyone else I know that I've talked to afterwards or even during, just really couldn't stand. It was awful. And college, I noticed that people seem to be enjoying that experience quite a lot more. For the most part.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But not all of them. It was maybe 50. 50 in that case, you know, it's like, much better odds, but still not amazing. And it's a shame because that's a great opportunity to enjoy it.

[Sean]

Yeah. In my experience, I met a lot of people who were, like, excited about college for the wrong reasons. You know, it was like, they're just excited for the weekend, excited to go To a party. Sure. Just meeting new people and, like, having a new boy all the time.

[Adam Thorne]

Fine.

[Sean]

Like, girls to sleep with. Like, you know, there's a bit of that that you do, which is acceptable, but it's like, that can't be the only thing.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, look, it can be because it was for them, but if it just is, then you are missing out on the other things. That can be really useful as well. Yeah. So to have, by definition, a full experience, it's really good idea to try and enjoy all of it if you can.

[Sean]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, or at least make it productive. You've got to be there anyway.

[Sean]

Yeah. Find the balance in it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, there's. There's definitely a plan for that when it comes to it.

[Sean]

Moving on.

[Adam Thorne]

Lex Friedman, I was just gonna say to. To visit him, and I remember when Lex was posting a lot of this on his Instagram. Also, I did listen to that episode, which they kind of filmed out there in the jungle. And, you know, he wore his suit like a dork, as always, which is quite funny. And, you know, I didn't know a ton of kind of what they got up to down there, of course. Not surprising Lex wanted to do ayahuasca. Surprising that he managed to kind of pressure Paul into it, which it did sound like he kind of pressured him into it, I have to say. Good friend, I would say.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Good person, Paul. Get on it. Do it. Doesn't sound like he's a big fan of psychedelics or even going into that space. And we know he's a brave guy.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So it's not because he's a coward, but he just. It's not his thing. Doesn't really care to explore that part of the universe. He prefers the jungle.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

His own jungle. Right. That's a jungle he doesn't like to go into. But. Yeah. What were your thoughts on kind of that whole description and part of the podcast?

[Sean]

Well, it sounds nice. I want to do it.

[Adam Thorne]

Really? Yeah. Was it, like, pro? Was it, like, a positive message for you?

[Sean]

Well, I've had an interest in doing that before, like, going down to South America and doing it with, like, a proper, like, shaman and stuff. Because that would be the only way I would do it. I wouldn't, like, buy it online and do it at home. That just doesn't seem like it would work.

[Adam Thorne]

Do it in an alley, the back of a Walmart somewhere.

[Sean]

Just like our ancestors.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, just like our ancestors.

[Sean]

But no, I thought it was interesting because, you know, Paul. Yeah. Was kind of. Wasn't his Idea to do it, but he did it anyways. And then along the, along their journey, you know, the shaman is kind of like to Paul, like, you know, you're here for Lex, you're here for his support, you know, like you're here to guide him.

[Adam Thorne]

Which kind of made me think, was Lex like actually a little bit freaking out at this time or was it just that Lex was just drinking so much of this stuff? They were like, Lex is really kind of fucked up right now, so you need to just keep an eye on him because we don't know where he's going.

[Sean]

I don't know. Well, it sounded like from what Paul was describing, it sounded like Lex kind of wanted to like go pretty deep.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh yeah. And like it sounded like he had.

[Sean]

Some intention behind it. But yeah, you would say that Lex had more than, than Paul did. But I'm sure they're, they're different size individuals. You know, it could have been the same strength for both of them. They both tapped out at the same time. But yeah, Lex had like six of the cups and then I think Paul said he had like five, so. But no, that sounds like a good experience. And like I said, you know, that seems like the way to do it. You know, go down there, do it with a shaman. What you're getting is probably from the jungle itself, you know, so that seems like kind of best case scenario on how you would actually do that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And it didn't he say that the shaman had been like a mentor, kind of like uncle father figure to him for like 20 years or something. So he knew him very well, felt very safe. I mean, that's the guy to do it with. Course he got him in contact with that guy. So interesting experience. Cool to hear the Lex did it. I get Lex is up for whatever. I mean, he's in Dagestan right now training with Khabib. I mean the guy's.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, what an animal.

[Sean]

Lex has always been a different breed.

[Adam Thorne]

He's. He's next level dude. But anyway, it's a great conversation. I thought Paul's super interesting guy. I love that Rogan is having him back on. Hopefully he is one of those kind of reoccurring guess because each time, you know, adds to his social media presence which kind of puts more eyeballs on what he is doing out there. And again, that helps his cause and anything that they can do in that direction just to kind of bring awareness to what needs to be done down there in a positive light is fantastic.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And just to Let us know, like, what's happening. Because we don't. We don't get a clear picture. And I think if more people did, then at least we can then make an informed decision. Right. It's like, it's easy to be like, well, it's. There's a lot going on, and I know it's bad, but I don't really care if. If you got really close up footage often, maybe you'd be like, you know what? That's really messed up. Yeah, we need to do something about this. I'm kind of on board. Let's get going with it. And he can give those updates. He can, like, you know, shine some light on it. It's useful. And regardless, his Instagram is super interesting and his stories are good.

[Sean]

He's a good storyteller. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

He needs his own show. They should make a show down there. Send Netflix down there.

[Sean]

Yeah. For real? Yeah, I think. Yeah, I would definitely watch that. That would be really, really cool.

[Adam Thorne]

For sure. I mean, look, the audience reaction, online vibe, solid. Listeners love this episode for its authenticity and lack of bs.

[Sean]

Did someone comment about Alex Jones? Are they still doing that?

[Adam Thorne]

That's mostly on Spotify.

[Sean]

Oh, really?

[Adam Thorne]

Okay. It's either where's Alex Jones? Or get Nick Fuentes on. Yeah, that's mostly. Or then some people just say, release the Epstein files for no reason. Which is completely unrelated. But that's.

[Sean]

That's also hilarious, I think. You know, get Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones on at the same time.

[Adam Thorne]

That would be a heck of a debate or conversation somebody quoted. Just straight up. The real deal. I like this. Many viewers said the episode triggered existential reflection rather than inspirational porn. I don't really know what that means. Strong crossover appeals, appeal with survival, masculinity and mental resilience. Pretty good. And then criticism was minimal. Really. I mean, people like this guy. It was frank discussions of danger and masculinity. Overall rating through the little algorithm, a solid 9 out of 10 for online viewership. Personally, I give it a 7.5, but that's still pretty solid. That's a good. That's a good rating for me. I mean, dude, a nine is, like blowing out of the. Like, that's.

[Sean]

What. Is there a 10 out of 10 podcast that exists?

[Adam Thorne]

I've never done a 10.

[Sean]

What. What was a 9?

[Adam Thorne]

Some of the UFO ones.

[Sean]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

Age of Disclosure documentary, one I really liked. And then, you know, that was just awesome. Also, we had an F18 fighter pilot on as a guest.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

When we went through that one. So that just that whole experience was awesome. Yeah, he told us that he like, freaking was flying around one day and saw on his radar like aliens dude or uap. I mean, crazy. But, you know, it takes a lot for. For that. And to give away a 10 is a bit much. Once. Once you give away 110, then you.

[Sean]

Just like, you're always comparing, you've kind.

[Adam Thorne]

Of blown your own shot, so. But a 7.5 is solid.

[Sean]

I would give it a mate.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, give it an 8. Give it an 8. These are your ratings. You can rate it however you want. You don't have to do it based on mine. Okay, don't feel pressured. But anyway, thanks all for listening. I appreciate you so much. And Sean, thank you for joining me. I don't even think I gave you an intro at the beginning. This is Sean, by the way. Whoops, too late.

[Sean]

I've been on the show before. They always a pleasure.

[Adam Thorne]

They know. All right, we catch you guys next time.

[Sean]

Cheers.