505 JRE Review of Cheryl Hines

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast

Episode: 505 — JRE Review of Cheryl Hines
Date: February 18, 2026
Hosts: Adam Thorne & Brandon
Main Theme: A deep-dive review and commentary on Cheryl Hines’ appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, blending comedic banter, animal tangents, reactions to political topics, and the inescapable Epstein files discourse. Hosts explore what makes the episode stand out, Hines’ relatability, Rogan’s unique interview style, and larger questions about media, power, and conspiracy.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Cheryl Hines, acclaimed actress (notably on Curb Your Enthusiasm) and wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., unpacking her dynamic with Joe Rogan, her "down-to-earth" personality despite high-profile associations, and the broader fan reactions to her JRE appearance. The discussion seamlessly transitions from Hollywood and fame to Rogan’s interview quirks, animal obsession, internet conspiracy theories (with a particular focus on Epstein), and the political weight of the JRE platform.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cheryl Hines as a Guest: Fan Reception & First Impressions

[02:09–05:29]

• Cheryl’s background: “She’s hilarious in [Curb Your Enthusiasm]...just very normal for someone married to a Kennedy.” (Brandon, 04:40)
• Both hosts praise her easygoing, relatable manner and note she’s not overtaken by Hollywood or political atmosphere.

Notable Quote:

• “This has [the] vibe of having a conversation with your bro’s wife in the kitchen while you wait for him to come downstairs…like I’m eavesdropping on an awkward first date.” (Adam, 03:53)

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2. Rogan’s Animal Tangents: Comic Relief & Signature Style

[05:29–10:14]

• Rogan’s recurring habit of showing gory animal clips to unsuspecting guests is revisited:
  • “Her having to go through Rogan playing animal predatory clips was just brilliant.” (Brandon, 05:38)
  • Rogan recounts eating spiders and crickets and challenging Hines’ squeamishness.
  • Banter about owls: their “fixed eyes,” evolutionary quirks, and the infamous “Joe just called my dead dad an idiot” moment with a previous guest.

Notable Quotes:

• “It’s like Joe has this weird animal autism…” (Adam, 09:13)
• “Joe is Joe. He’s gonna take you where he likes to go…guaranteed it’s going to go to animal attacks.” (Brandon, 10:14)

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3. Reflections on Fame, LA Culture, and Rogan’s B-List Aspirations

[11:17–16:03]

• Hines and Rogan discuss LA’s celebrity culture, Rogan’s discomfort with “LA bullshit,” and the price of fame.
• Podcasters highlight Rogan’s claim that he “never expected this pod to do this…I would have preferred to just be B-list.” (Brandon, 11:17–16:03)
• Rogan’s fame paradox: accidental super-celebrity with massive global reach.

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4. The Power of Rogan’s Platform & its Political Impact

[16:03–18:45]

• Discussion of the JRE as an “unbelievable amount of power…he can really change people’s thoughts” (Brandon, 16:15).
• Examples of guests who floundered (Candace Owens, Steven Crowder, Dave Portnoy): “If you mess up on this show…it’s really hard to recover.” (Brandon, 18:10)

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5. Echo Chambers, Debate, & the Value of Changing Your Mind

[19:48–23:45]

• Critique of guests unprepared for pushback (“They’re just living in these Hollywood echo chambers…” Adam, 19:48)
• Rogan’s open-mindedness framed as a virtue, not a flaw: “Doesn’t that just mean you’re open-minded?” (Brandon, 21:43)

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6. The Ever-Present Epstein Files Conversation

[26:27–47:26]

• The hosts acknowledge fan demand for Epstein content: “Every single comment is just, talk about Epstein.” (Adam, 03:15)
• Deep-dive into the nature of codewords (“cream cheese,” “pizza,” “jerky”), the incomprehensibly sinister nature of the allegations, and the impossibility of ignoring mounting evidence.
• Criticism of institutional cover-ups and redactions that protected the powerful over victims.

Notable Quotes:

• “This makes Watergate look like a speeding ticket.” (Adam, 35:24)
• “Why are we even worried about this? The Dow is over 50,000…” (Mocking Pam Bondi’s tone, Brandon, 40:18)
• “As much as [the JRE] can help you, it can do the opposite effect…” (Adam, 17:54)

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7. Rogan’s Relationship to the Files & Reluctance to Engage

[45:32–47:26]

• The hosts wonder why Rogan won’t directly engage with the files: “He goes, I don’t like to look at it…with my head. Why don’t you think Joe likes to look at them?” (Adam, 45:44)
• “They’re dark and it’s gross and…it’s the worst case scenario—Satanic pedophiles…” (Brandon, 45:44–46:10)
• Rogan prefers expert guests to make sense of them; the trauma and risk for victims appearing is discussed.

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8. The Limits of Justice: Institutional Failings & Victimization

[47:28–50:16]

• Sharp criticism of the Justice Department, FBI, and others for stonewalling, redaction choices, and failing victims.
• Victims’ reluctance to come forward is acknowledged with empathy and realism.

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9. YouTube, Journalism, and the Decline of Traditional Media

[50:40–52:24]

• Praise for independent investigative YouTubers (Coffeezilla, et al.) doing better journalism on Epstein than major outlets.

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10. Politicians, the JRE, and the 2026 Election

[52:24–62:27]

• Rogan’s rough treatment of politicians on-air discussed; whether he’ll give Gavin Newsom a platform in an election is debated.
• “I don’t think anyone becomes president now…if they don’t go on Rogan and do a three-hour stint.” (Brandon, 55:26)
• Both agree that the unedited, unscripted JRE format is uniquely effective for revealing authenticity.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• “This has [the] vibe of having a conversation with your bro’s wife in the kitchen…” — Adam (03:53)
• “Animal predatory clips…just brilliant. For one, she…‘Joe, what kind of clips do you think I sit around watching?’” — Brandon (05:38, relating Hines’ reaction)
• “Joe just called my dead dad an idiot…one of the funniest things.” — Adam, recounting an old episode (09:13)
• “He’s the most listened-to person in the world…he can really change people’s thoughts.” — Brandon (16:15)
• “This makes Watergate look like a speeding ticket.” — Adam (35:24)
• “Why doesn’t [Rogan] have a victim on to tell their story?” — Brandon (47:40)
• “I don’t think anyone becomes president now, really, if they don’t go on Rogan…” — Brandon (55:26)
• “Dude, if he didn’t show up, guns blazing…with an A+ performance…” (On Trump’s JRE appearance) — Brandon (57:16)
• “Honestly, I think…we’re gearing up for another Alex Jones [episode].” — Brandon (62:36)

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Segment Timestamps for Key Topics

• Cheryl Hines’ persona and dynamic: 02:09–05:29
• Rogan’s animal obsession: 05:29–10:14
• Fame, LA, and Rogan’s attitude toward celebrity: 11:17–16:03
• JRE’s media power and guests’ reputation management: 16:03–19:12
• Echo chambers and changing your mind: 19:48–23:45
• Epstein files, codewords, and conspiracy: 26:27–47:26
• Rogan’s approach to dark topics: 45:32–47:26
• Justice system criticisms: 47:28–50:16
• Independent journalism vs MSM: 50:40–52:24
• JRE’s political influence & the 2026 race: 52:24–62:27
• Predictions, Alex Jones, and wrap-up: 62:36–end

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Episode Ratings & Closing Thoughts

• Brandon: 7/10 (“Had elements of old school Rogan—light hearted, went down the rabbit hole of animal stuff. Good humor and serious topics, but not overwhelming.”)
• Adam: 6/10 (“Some good moments. Could’ve been more in-depth on Epstein. Chemistry wasn’t amazing but above average overall.”)

Both compliment Cheryl Hines for her humor and candor, credit Rogan for his unpredictability, and underscore the value (and risk) in JRE’s open-ended conversations.

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Final Reflections

This review episode functions as the ultimate JRE companion: analyzing guest dynamics, dissecting fan culture, and confronting both the lightest and darkest aspects of contemporary podcasting—always with humor, skepticism, and a willingness to follow the story wherever it may lead. Whether discussing animal facts, celebrity, or the gravest conspiracy, Brandon and Adam balance levity and gravity in true Rogan style.

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Next on JRE Review: A special breakdown of Robert Malone’s new appearance and its links to the JRE’s most controversial media moments.

Transcript

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[Brandon]

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Brandon]

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Brandon]

Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week Brandon and I are reviewing Cheryl Hines appearance on Joe Rogan. Cheryl Hines is American actress, director and producer, best known for her role on Larry dav oh as Larry David's wife on Curb youb Enthusiasm. That was a great show. Did you ever watch that, Brandon?

[Adam Thorne]

Yes, very good.

[Brandon]

Did you watch the whole thing? Were you like that?

[Adam Thorne]

I didn't watch the whole thing. It's like what, 15 seasons? It's pretty long. Crazy. I've seen all of Seinfeld, but yeah, it's. I gotta. I gotta make Some time for sure to finish that.

[Brandon]

I'm the same. I've jumped in and out of enough episodes to know how brilliant it is, but I have not watched all of them. But an amazing show. She's hilarious in it. She is very good. Also the wife of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. So quite the life. But, yeah, let's start off with a little bit of kind of fan reception of this episode. What do you got?

[Adam Thorne]

There's a lot to get into for sure. So she's touring her book Unscripted, which should be interesting because especially with what she was saying about rfk, especially at the end of the podcast. I'd love to know more about that, how he was denied Secret Service and all that. But we'll get into that later. Oh, yeah, that was messed up. But, yeah. So reception. What a terrible time to be on the show right now, you know, if you're not talking about the Epstein files, because it seems like every single comment is just, talk about Epstein, talk about Epstein, talk about Epstein.

[Brandon]

It's all anyone wants to do.

[Adam Thorne]

At the same time, there were some funny things. Like, literally, the top comment on YouTube on this podcast is so good. It's. This has having a conversation with your bro's wife in the kitchen while you wait for him to come downstairs. Vibes. This feels like I'm e dropping on an awkward first date.

[Brandon]

I love it.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, yeah, you know, I get that vibe. And they also say the word crazy like, 20,000 times in this episode.

[Brandon]

Yeah, I counted, like, everything.

[Adam Thorne]

That's crazy. Honestly, a lot of people, when they talked about, like, the actual quality of the episode, instead of just, like, making jokes about it, seem to like, like it.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah. It was surprisingly good, you know, and she's just, like, into it, and she's very sociable and normal and really down to earth for somebody that's not only been on one of the top shows in the country for a long time, very famous because of that, but also married to a Kennedy. I mean, she's just very normal.

[Adam Thorne]

Very married to a Kennedy. How. How insane is that?

[Brandon]

Yeah. What a life. And, yeah, just speaks to kind of just how cool she is. And then, you know, Rogan, I mean, he's a super celeb, but also, you know, represents that kind of very normal version of one. So you get them together, they, like, know that wildlife, but they're just also like, yeah, okay, well, you just get on with it, I guess. That's how you do it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Just keep moving forward, I guess. Yeah, there was. There was a lot to, like, in this episode, were there any, like, moments that really stood out to you here?

[Brandon]

Well, I mean, her having to go through Rogan playing animal predatory clips was just brilliant. I mean, for one, she. He's like, have you seen that one where the monkey rips the hair off the guy's head? And she's like, no, Joe, like, what. What kind of clips do you think that I sit around watching?

[Adam Thorne]

What's so funny about that whole thing is like, something's brought up about spiders. And she's like, oh, I hate spiders. And he's like, oh, well, guess what? I ate like 20 of them. Oh. And I'd have them crawl my face. I ate crickets too. How do you like that? Yeah, like, it was like he was trying to, like, scare her. And she's like, yeah, I don't like what, like, any of that stuff. And it's like, also there was a whole thing where it's like, ever see a pray mantis? You know, like a hummingbird? And she's like, I don't want to see any of that. And he's like, oh, well, let's. Let's watch a chimp rip someone's fucking face off then. Yeah, like, Jamie, pull that up. Crazy.

[Brandon]

Pull that up, Jamie.

[Adam Thorne]

And Jamie pulls it up. They don't even show it on the visual because even Jamie's like, dude, I'm not showing anybody this. This is fucked up.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's just for Cheryl to watch. Just for Cheryl to educate her on gruesome animal attacks. She learned a lot about the animal kingdom on this episode and there was even some unverifiable stuff. He was like, yeah, the ants, the female ants will rip the legs off the male and drag him into the den. And. And Jamie couldn't find anything on it. I think Joe dreamt that.

[Adam Thorne]

And yeah, they got into a little bit of a feud for a second because he's like, well, you know, look here. Well, I saw somewhere. And he's like. And Jamie's like, well, not. I don't think you did. It's. It's not real. And he's like, well, like, they got in a little back and forth, which was funny. Over ants. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Jamie's like, well, the entire Internet disagrees with you, so I'm going to just leave it at that.

[Adam Thorne]

He's like, well, I took DMT and talked to an ant in a vision and apparently that's what they do.

[Brandon]

I saw it.

[Adam Thorne]

But yeah, they had. They talked about owls, which was sick and all that. Owls are really, you know their eyes can't move.

[Brandon]

Oh, is that why they turn their heads like that?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. Their, their eyeballs are like fixed in their socket. Isn't that insane? Well, you know, that's why they move their head.

[Brandon]

You know how Rose saying that they're dumb birds?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Well, it's. They are in comparison to other birds in terms of like their brain development. But it's only because evolutionarily they're like the oldest, one of the oldest types of birds. So it's just that they, they evolved this way to be so effective that they didn't continue evolving and therefore get better brains. It's like sharks are very old creatures, so they don't need very complex brains. They're not seen as very smart creatures, but they're still gonna fuck everything up because they're just absolute killing machines. And this is what owls are. I mean, they just evolved to be.

[Adam Thorne]

The perfect organism, right?

[Brandon]

It's like, why did other birds continue evolving but they're so much noisier? Like, what a dumb predator. Owls don't make any noise. You're telling me we came up with Stealth Flight 100, like 50 million years ago, and then all we made after that was noisy ass pigeons?

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly.

[Brandon]

Doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Thorne]

It's funny because Joe Rogan has this, like, he has this kind of like weird animal autism to him, where anytime something is remotely brought up about animals, he has to go down this whole tangent. And the best example of that is when he had Guy for Fiarion, whatever his name is. What's that? The guy with the frost tips? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he's like, yeah, so my dad died and I believe he came back as an owl. And it was one of the most, you know, beautiful things. And then Joe's like, you know, owls are idiots. You know, they're like one of the stupidest birds ever. Yeah, dude, you have. It's so funny. You have to watch it.

[Brandon]

That is great.

[Adam Thorne]

But that is. Yeah, guys, like, do you just call my dad, like an idiot? My dead father? It's like one of the funniest things, but. Well, yeah, man, I. I think it was. It was cool. I love hearing cool animal facts about, like, rats and pray mantises and all that.

[Brandon]

Well, I just like the fact that Joe is Joe. He's going to take you where he likes to go with these conversations if you let him. I mean, that's where Joe's going to go, right? If you come in with a lot to say and you're on a mission to like just kind of preach your message, then Joe will give you space for that. But if not, guaranteed it's going to go to animal attacks. Something about hunting or elk and who knows, aliens. I mean, it's gonna go there. That's what's just rattling around in his brain all the time.

[Adam Thorne]

Or politics.

[Brandon]

It might. You might get upset about the COVID again, of course.

[Adam Thorne]

Right? Yeah. I feel like anytime there's like a comic on like Andrew Santino or something, it's like that whole podcast, I'm just like talking politics to Santino. And I feel like that's one of the things I feel like with this one though, it was a little more of a natural conversation. And it wasn't all those like classic Rogan bullet points.

[Brandon]

No, there was some good stuff about like living in la, like Reflections of Fame, which were cool. You know, when it, when she was talking about like, what was it about LA you didn't like? You know, he's talking about that transition from New York to la, getting his show canceled. You don't need to overhaul your life to start investing, just automate it automatically. With Stash, your new Year money goals can quietly run into the background while you focus on everything else. Stash isn't just another investing app. It's a registered investment advisor that combines automated investing with expert personalized guidance so you don't have to worry about gambling or figuring it out on your own. Stash is simple, smart and stress free. Choose from personalized investments. Let Stash award winning smart portfolio do the work for you. Or pick a combo of both. Both. Stash is there to guide you every step of the way. Don't let your money sit around. Put it to work with stash. Go to get.stash.com jre to see how you can receive $25 towards your first stock purchase and to view important disclosures. That's get.stash.com jRE get.stash.com paid non client endorsement Not a guaranteed nor representative of all clients. Smart portfolios are discretionary managed accounts and subject to additional fees. See the Advisory Agreement and Deposit Account Agreement for details. Investment Advisory Services offered by Stash Investment LLC and SEC Registered Investment Advisor. Investing Involves Risk. This podcast is brought to you by Rocket Money. I used to spend many hours each month trying to sort out my finances before Rocket Money. But now with Rocket Money, I get to save all that time and I can put it towards spending time with my family, my friends, going to the gym, reading books is truly wonderful. Rocket Money is a personal finance App that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. You can set budgets and goals, get personalized insights and regular reports, and receive real time alerts for large transactions, upcoming bills, refunds, and low balances. It's super useful. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. [e-mail] J R E R that's RocketMoney.com JRE RocketMoney.com JRE Stuck in the lease, trying to figure that out. Not really liking the vibe there and the fakeness of all the kind of LA bullshit, which I understand, I mean, because you have to embrace that if you really want to live in that kind of celebrity life. And that's not Rogan. You know, he just wants to go to martial arts gyms and comedy clubs and kind of grungy, grimy pool halls and, you know, he couldn't find that scene there. There's just kind of embracing all that kind of fakeness and clout, you know, and clout chasing bullshit, and it's not his style. So it was. It was difficult for him to find that balance there. And, and also the whole fame thing. I mean, you know, I believe Joe when he said, honestly, I didn't expect this pod to do this. I kind of just would have preferred to just be B list. You know, I want to keep working, I want to have some money. But B list would have been fine. And if his part had not taken off and he just carried on doing the ufc, with how big the UFC is now, he would be B list. He'd just be the announcer of the ufc that used to do Fear Factor, and he'd be making decent money. You know, I don't know what he gets paid as the UFC announcer, but I'm sure it would be a couple of million a year plus. And especially with how big the UFC is now, it would be more than enough for him to stay relevant and live a really good life and probably be able to go most places without being super bothered. But now it's way different.

[Adam Thorne]

Now we got Navy Seals, you know, scanning the property every night, I assume, right? Doesn't he have, like, Navy SEAL guards? Oh, yeah. At his place? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude.

[Brandon]

Listen, billionaires would have to pay an incredible amount of money to get the same message out to the people of the world in terms of, you know, advertisement or however they would get a message out. And all you'd have to do is just go on Rogan and do the same thing. I Mean, this is the platform that Rogan has created, and he can do it for anyone. And he makes the decision like, that is an unbelievable amount of power. He's the most listened to person in the world in turn. And it's not just listen to, like, people watch the Kardashians. Like, they're not changing the hearts and minds of anybody. Even if. Even if people watch their show. Like, sure, maybe people change their shopping habits or what makeup they buy, but, like, Rogan can really change people's thoughts on, hey, who I might vote for or what policies I follow or what my stance is on a lot of different things that are going on just by having one guest on that has a message.

[Adam Thorne]

Even Cash Patel, when he was on the show, I feel like that changed a lot of people's minds about him in a negative way.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, but I feel like that was kind of the. The damn breaking. That was like kind of the straw there, dude.

[Brandon]

There was.

[Adam Thorne]

And him saying, like, yeah, I didn't, like, kill himself and all this stuff. And I feel like everyone kind of just came together and was like, this guy's.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So it. Nobody, as much as it can help you, it can do the opposite effect to the same level, you know, so it. It is a big platform. It's one of the biggest ever, arguably, maybe the biggest.

[Brandon]

Dude, if you mess up on this show or if Rogan makes you look like a dick, it's really hard to recover. I think, honestly, the person that recovered the best is Candace Owens, just because she has such a big following still. But when she came on, you know, she made some real blunders with the environment. There were a couple of points that Rogan really called her out on. She hasn't been on since. They really didn't get on great, but, you know, she's done fine in her own world and. But there are some other people that have been on. Like, Crowder went on. Didn't do great.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, so bad. That was. Yeah, the Crowder one.

[Brandon]

There. There were just some. Who was. What's his name? The fucking Portnay guy, the pizza Portnoy, the.

[Adam Thorne]

The barstool sport. That was so bad.

[Brandon]

That was.

[Adam Thorne]

Who was the guy. Adam hates everything with the. God, what's that guy's name?

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, let me look it up.

[Adam Thorne]

I forget what he was. He was debating. Adam hates everything he was on. It was like one of the worst episodes.

[Brandon]

Oh, that one. That's who I was thinking. Yeah, dude, he looked terrible. Yeah, well, he had the dumbest arguments, though. It's like, bro, it's one thing to have that stance. Fair enough. Like, fair enough. But, like, just be like, look, this is what I believe, but I understand your point. And yeah, I can't really answer that question, but I just want to be on this side. Rogan was just like, wait, what? But where is. Like, give me something else. Like, at least, yeah, give me a chance to believe what you're saying. He had nothing.

[Adam Thorne]

There's a lot of people who go on the podcast and just are so not used to push back. Like, they're just living in these, like, Hollywood, like, echo chambers. Like, who was. Who came on this was a while back and was like, elizabeth Warren is awesome. And Joe's like, no, she isn't. And she was just stunned. Like, she's never heard anyone push back against her ever. And so it's examples like those that I really love to hear. Like, just some of these people just getting so shook and just having no idea how to handle any kind of criticism to something that they've, like, devoted their beliefs to without really looking into this person critically, which you need to do with any kind of politician or any kind of, like, strict, massive belief. Like, if you believe in something and the other side is extremely critical of it, you at least have to look at that other side and be like, where are they coming from here?

[Brandon]

Well, I think that's what he was trying to understand. It's like, look, this is a big, big point in the narrative on online and in the media. There's, let me have on a guess, that represents that side, you know the best and hear their argument. And it probably will make sense because, you know, some people are just good debaters and they're going to have a good point. And if it makes sense to me, I'll be open to it. Like, I. Rogan's open to stuff. And, you know, and also this is kind of a criticism that Rogan gets. Like, oh, a guest will come on and just have a compelling point. And then all of a sudden that changes Rogan's mind. Hold on. Doesn't that just mean you're open minded? Like, that means you're not stubborn and you're open minded.

[Adam Thorne]

Right?

[Brandon]

Like, aren't you allowed to make mistakes by changing your mind? Because you hear something compelling, you can always go back. Doesn't mean that you're correct. So the only way, like, why that argument is dumb is because it means, oh, you have to just be stubborn and therefore you have to already know all the answers to things. Like, this is A lot of what those. No, the no Rogan guys say on that podcast. Yeah, It's a big part of their criticism. It's like, oh, somebody goes on Rogan, and they're like, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, he's just like, this is what he thinks for the next eight episodes. Well, yeah, that. Because that's what someone just told him. And he's inclined to believe that person because that person is, as far as he knows, an expert in that field. He's.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he has people on that he usually trusts with that stuff. Like when he was. This is a whole nother episode when he was talking about the Epstein files. Or maybe it was this one where he was like, I don't want to look at it until I have experts on. That's kind of how he goes about everything. Where if he's like, okay, I want to talk about, you know, this topic. I'm gonna find an expert who I trust in that topic and have them on. Of course, he does have people on who he does disagree with, or just people who he. He finds interesting, and it kind of picks their brain. But if it's a topic he focuses on, usually he does have someone on he trusts to talk about it. And if that person gives him information, of course he's going to be like, well, that's what I believe now.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And I mean, that makes sense. And it doesn't mean he believes it forever. It's like, okay, give him something. Excuse me, something else compelling, and then he's likely to change his mind. That's how people should think. That's how thinkers should think. Like, good for him. You know, in politics, they call that flip flopping, by the way. Oh, he's a flip flopper. You can't do that in politics. You have to have all the answers and never change your mind, ever. And if anything, go more extreme. And that's why politicians are dumb and idiots.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Well, we're in this whole debate culture now with politics where it's like your team versus mine. And I can't be wrong. If you find any holes in my argument, I need to pivot because I know deep down I'm right. But no one is able to have a conversation anymore. No one is able to just talk about issues and say, hey, maybe you do have a point there. I'm going to look into that. Yeah, you know, it's. It's just. It's all deflection. It's.

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[Adam Thorne]

It's so you versus me. And it's. It's really bad. It's really bad.

[Brandon]

I know. When was the last time that they agreed on anything? Probably it was the release of the Epstein files. It's probably the hearings that we see now. Like Pam Bondi's cross examination is probably the most bipartisan thing I've seen in a long time, dude.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, you know, it's crazy because even when Trump was running there were like literal rallies where he's like, do you guys want to know more about the Epstein files? And everyone would be like, yes, yes. And now we're seeing people being like, who cares anymore? Like people who are trying to like defend certain people in the administration. It's like, I don't know man. It's like you can't. Shit, you can't say These things about Obama and then say things about Clinton and then be like, well, they're bad, but the Republicans are okay, you know, or the Republicans are bad and the Democrats are okay. It's. It's. No, dude, it's all. It's. You either believe in it or you don't. You can't cherry pick who's bad and who isn't in this situation.

[Brandon]

Well, look, let's bring up Rogan. He got named.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's just talk about it.

[Brandon]

Let's gotta get it. We're all.

[Adam Thorne]

We gotta talk.

[Brandon]

So Rogan. Rogan was mentioned and he was mentioned for not going and not communicating. I think of many celebrities that were brought up in the files. He comes out about is clean as you can get. Good for Rogan. Well done. Rogan, true to his nature, is not really that fucked to hang out with rich billionaire type characters. Doesn't really give a shit. I mean, he likes them on his show, some of them, but to be fair, like, he never had Bill Gates on. You know, he's had a lot of the social media people on. And I think mainly because he wants to understand the social media frame because of all the doxxing and, you know, all the bullshit that's gone on with the social media networks. I think because Instagram is so big and Facebook, I think that's why he was so open to having Zuckerberg on a couple of times, because it's really running things in that space. And Zuckerberg really wanted to kiss Rogan's ass. Did not work both times, let's be honest. I mean, will there be a third time? I'm sure Rogan's up for it. You know, I've heard firsthand from people that know Rogan through the grapevine that Rogan's like straight up context, Zuckerberg questions when he needs him answered about things happening on Instagram. So he's. He's tight in there. That's not a bad move. You know, if I had this platform, I'd want to be able to do that when it came to Instagram, like, so why not use it for that? But yeah, he's not trying to get on Epstein's island now. They didn't bring up that RFK Jr. Is flown and hung out with Epstein, though. That didn't come up. He's. I mean, he's on the list, just flying around. But isn't that worth bringing up? People are going to be dodging this question for a long time.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, Tony Hawk made a massive statement the other day. Because allegedly got married on the island, which is that not, like, maybe one of the worst case?

[Brandon]

Oh, no.

[Adam Thorne]

But he. He apparently cleared it up. I'll have to look more into that. But yeah, man. You know, Tim Dylan has kind of been trying to inch Rogan away from all this. When Tim Dylan was on last, he was. He was kind of saying, well, don't you kind of want to, like, not endorse these people and not have them on so you can criticize them since we're comics, you know. And Tim Dillon, really, I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with his show, but has really been critical about certain people. And where before he was kind of just embracing people, he was going to dinners with certain people in the administration, now he's. It's full like, yeah, Torched Earth.

[Brandon]

He got in tight with JD Vance and some of those guys around the election, and I think something happened that. And I think it was the Epstein stuff. I think it was as soon as they were like, nah, there's nothing over there. Don't even look at it. I think he went scorched earth and went.

[Adam Thorne]

But the.

[Brandon]

You guys.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, the plane has hit the second seafood tower. That's what I heard. I'm not sure if you heard J.D. vance bottom, like, you know, got him like a seafood tower or some. He's like, yeah, we talked. He got me seafood. But yeah. And, you know, with RFK coming on, that's something we should definitely review because, like, that'd be crazy if they don't talk about that or the Epstein files in general now. Yeah. So, God, like, where do we start with this?

[Brandon]

Like, well, let's just talk about some of the craziness. What's that website that you've been going to? Let's jmail J Mail. So it looks like it's basically like a copy of a Gmail account, and it's just like an index of all the emails. It looks just like Jeffrey's Gmail account is what it would look like. So you can just scroll through all the emails. You can search it so any name, just like you would a regular Gmail. So if you have Gmail, you know how to use it right away. It has all the pictures in. Everything's just organized, easy. So instead of it being the government's crappy pile of shit website, that's purposely designed like the IRS website, so you can't find any useful information and you never get anywhere, and then eventually you can't pay your taxes and you all go to jail. Thank you. IRS website. This one actually makes sense and is user friendly, and you can get to all sorts of information right away. In fact, it's so addictive that our dear friend Brandon here was up until what, 2:00am last night, 2:30 last night.

[Adam Thorne]

Looking at it, and it's. It's like, it's not good.

[Brandon]

Is that why Is this. Be honest. Is this why we couldn't do the podcast yesterday? Because you wanted to get back to the J mail? I knew it. I knew something was up.

[Adam Thorne]

Don't call me out like that. All right.

[Brandon]

Doing his research.

[Adam Thorne]

Investigative research. All right. So. All right, let's get into it. All right. What did you. Yeah, so Joe goes, I, I, well, I found a lot. Let me just say, I found a lot, I think, okay, the biggest rabbit hole I, I went down was the code words. You look up cream cheese, you look up pizza, you look at all these other things. You know, there was an email about jerky where this guy was like, hey, how about, I'm gonna. I'm gonna walk the jerky over to you. Walk the jerky. What does that mean?

[Brandon]

Jerky does not have legs.

[Adam Thorne]

It doesn't have legs.

[Brandon]

That is.

[Adam Thorne]

What's that about?

[Brandon]

What is that about?

[Adam Thorne]

Unless maybe it's not jerky yet, but what are they walking a cow? Yeah, what is that about? That wouldn't make any sense.

[Brandon]

No, I mean, these are adults emailing each other.

[Adam Thorne]

They didn't have a farm on Epstein island of farm animals, right?

[Brandon]

And if they did, they would just say, why would you use code for a cow? You would just say, and you don't really, like, walk a cow. Or you're like, I'm gonna have the cow delivered. You know what I mean? You're not, like, walking a cow. It's like, clearly something else. And what it implies is terrifying. It's so terrifying, we don't want to believe it. But then there's like 10 million other emails with it that you're just like, well, okay, do, like, should I just close my eyes to this and pretend it's not happening? Because if there's even a 10% chance that it is, I think I should take this seriously and so should everyone else. How about we prove it within, like, a 99.99% shadow of a doubt that it's not true before we move on? That seems important.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, you know, I feel like we are so desensitized, and I feel like this is the point, you know, because it's like, hey, you see, aliens exist, all right? Like, it's crazy. Like, literally, the government and everyone is saying aliens exist now. And everyone's like, oh, all right, whatever, you know. Hey, hey, guess what?

[Brandon]

All.

[Adam Thorne]

All your favorite people, all your. All the influencers, all the people who control the world, all the richest, the most powerful people, you know, they were eating babies. You know, there was this massive pedophile ring, and they're like, oh, really? That's crazy. Anyway, did you see the. The Simpsons are now in Fortnite. Isn't that wild? Like, people don't give a. You know, It's. It's like, whoa, that's. You know, I think I'm just gonna look the other way. I don't think I can handle it. It's like you have to just, you know, get the Clockwork Orange eye things and just fucking look at these. You gotta rip the band aid off. This is like. This is not. This makes. This makes Watergate look like a fucking speeding ticket.

[Brandon]

Yeah, I. Dude, I've asked two people that I know don't like these types of conspiracies and love to just brush them off big time. And I said, okay, I know you think all this is bullshit and you don't like it, but you have seen. You believe the Epstein files are real, right? Like, it's coming out and they're like, yeah, yeah, they're real. Okay, so these things have been said in the files. Ok, so it's some sort of code, right? Do you really think they were ordering this much pizza? Like, I don't even think they have pizza delivered on an island. Maybe they have a pizza oven, but I don't know if they'd be talking about pizza that much. And they're like, okay, yeah, maybe that's code. I said, just for a second, could you imagine that it is some code for these things? And then I describe what I think the things were based on the codes that the FBI listed. The codes meant, like, little girl, little boy, all these things. And I'm like, these aren't my words. This is FBI. Let's just put that together. Now, in this scenario that I'm having, you think about what does that mean to you if that is a real thing? Now just think about that. In the world that we live in, these billionaires are doing this in these places, and they also in these files, this isn't the only thing that they're doing. But they're like controlling politicians and they're making big moves, and they're kind of puppet mastering a lot of big things while also doing these heinous acts. What does that mean for you? And honestly, their brains were like scrambling in front of me. Like, I understand why they don't lean into the. Any type of conspiracy like that or why they just can't even contemplate it. It's so terrifying to their paradigm of, like, what makes existence real that they, they can't even process. Like, I, you know, like, I couldn't even live in a world like that. Well, maybe you fucking do. How do you, like, carry on some.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly, man. And it's something they talk about on the episode as well. They talk about the idea of people who just don't believe in conspiracy theories and how just ridiculous that is. You don't think anyone would lie. You don't think anybody would lie. And like, politicians obviously have lied. They obviously have to. To look better, to cover up something to avoid certain, you know, public ridicule. Oh, dude. And to not think that's happening at a massive level. To not think that ever happened. It has happened in history in. This is. This is a. One of the biggest conspiracy theories ever. That, you know, Pizzagate is real. Maybe, you know, I don't know specifically about the exact thing that happened with that certain pizza joint in the basement. Whatever that whole thing was about. Code words were real. That was a conspiracy. And now it's true. That's not a. An opinion. It's not an opinion. It isn't. Like, here's a. I'm. I pulled an email up. We were talking about the whole cream cheese thing. I'm going to read this email real quick. All right, all right. From Jeffrey Epstein. The subject is cream cheese baby. All right, here, here's what the email reads. There are millions of babies, very little good vegetable, cream cheese. Now what the does that mean? All right. Lol. I don't know if cream cheese and baby are on the same level. And then a bunch of stuff about meeting up. I like, what does that mean, man? I like. I, I don't know. It's. It's dark. Whatever. Whatever's happening, it's dark. It's really, really dark. And it's something that we as a society need to actually look at. We have to look at this. You don't have to make assumptions, but you have to look at this and understand that there is something very sinister going on that is above this whole pedophile ring. That is something that is really fucking insane.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And then we have Pam Bondi being like, why are we even worried about this? The dow is over 50,000. 50,000. Everyone's retirement funds are up. Somebody should have. It should have been one of those south park episodes where somebody just goes over and slaps her right in the face. Yeah, like, that was. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. I cannot believe that somebody told her to write that down. And as a hail Mary, like, hey, if you get cornered, you know what you do? You pull this trump card out, and that's gonna really sort you out. You probably get a round of applause because everyone would be like that. You know, the fact that she's like, well, you. You shouldn't be smiling over there because you're a really good stock trader. They're like, what.

[Adam Thorne]

What about. What about members of the administration literally being named in the Epstein files multiple times? And when she was asked about that, she goes like. They were like, hey, did you investigate in this person you literally work with that's, like, literally helping run the country? And she's like, oh, he cleared that up. It's like, is that all the Justice Department is now? Oh, just. Hey, you might have been a pedophile. Can you just, like, clear the air real quick? I. I wasn't. Okay. All right, carry on. What the are we doing, Tag?

[Brandon]

Not me. The worst thing about those hearings that was so brutal is when all the victims were there. And that one guy was just like, could you raise your hand if you were a victim? And if you raise your hand if you wanted to speak to the Justice Department but were refused and none of them had a chance to speak to him, they were all turned away, like. And they're saying that the door was open. They've been willing to listen to him the whole time, and it's just all bullshit. There's been no real investigation. They've stonewalled the whole thing. And we're supposed to believe that these institutions, like the Justice Department, the FBI, whatever, are there to, like, solve these crimes now? Yes, they do solve some. They are out there catching, like, serial killers, and they're solving the ones that they want to. And they do it very well. They're very effective. They're an excellent department with incredible resources, but they're still ran by people that can literally turn them off and say, nope, we're not doing this one.

[Adam Thorne]

It's. It's a mess, man. It really is. And I really hope something happens with this, because it's. It's just obviously a cover up. Like, for example, a lot of the criticism, a lot of people, you know, who are against the Epstein files and don't really believe in them. Were saying that all these victims are just plants. They're not real.

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[Adam Thorne]

They're faking where these files came out and their names. The victims are popping up in the files. They are popping up in the files.

[Brandon]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

And they didn't want to be in the files. They wanted their names to be redacted. And they weren't redacted. But you know who was redacted? All the clients. All the people involved. Huh. More effort was put in that then covering up the victims. Like, what. What is happening? That's shocking. You know, does. You know, and you don't really have to be a genius to. To put two and two together, you know, But I just. And then also the fact that where it's coming out of, like, so I just. I don't see the angle here of like, you know, trying to give benefit of the doubt here. Like, I. I don't see the angle of, oh, well, maybe this is why this hasn't happened yet.

[Brandon]

Dude, I don't get it.

[Adam Thorne]

It just seems so obvious. It seems so obvious on what's happening.

[Brandon]

Why doesn't it just seems like Trump should know? Hey, I got into power by promising to release the files. Everybody wants that. Obviously it's gonna stir up some shit because some powerful people are on there. But as long as I don't get in trouble and most of my closest friends don't, then why not just throw everyone else under the bus? It's like, that's what the people want anyway. And I'm a bold, wild guy. Why didn't he just do that? We'd be loving him right now. And all he wants is for people to love him. I am just so surprised that, like, somebody. It has to be somebody above him, has a grip over him. I cannot believe that he's making this decision to be this hated because people are sick of that behavior. It doesn't apparently make sense.

[Adam Thorne]

Many more files. Apparently there are more. And they're trying to pretend this was everything. Yeah, it's. It's a mess. I. I want to know your take on this. And this was said in the podcast.

[Brandon]

Yeah, go.

[Adam Thorne]

Joe was talking about how he tries not to look at the files. And he goes, I don't like to look at it. It with my head. Why don't you think Joe likes to look at them?

[Brandon]

Well, they're dark. It's dark and it's gross and it's scary and it's worst case scenario. I mean, this is the worst thing. Satanic pedophiles. What's crazier than that. It's literally all the crazy shit Alex Jones ever said, other than interdimensional, you know, like whatever. Frickin being lizard people that run interventional.

[Adam Thorne]

Furry communists, you know? Yeah.

[Brandon]

It's like there's probably only two stages of insane conspiracy above what could be happening. And it's like. It's so dark, dude. And it is. And I think that's what he's saying. It's like Joe is so close to like the heartbeat of media and the narrative of all this that it's. It's probably pretty disturbing to be right there and it's gonna. He freaking talks about for how long. You know, every guest, every person. I mean, this is not the end. It's gonna end even when the media really just closes down on this because of pressures from the government and from other people that are just like, we don't need to hear about this anymore. This is enough. You know, the free media space is still always gonna be Rogan. So the people that still want to discuss it and still want to investigate the. The place they're going to do it is on his show. So he's. He's stuck with it. I mean, he kind of doesn't need to look at it. He can just wait for guests to come on and. And open up their own can of worms with it.

[Adam Thorne]

You can't really escape them, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's coming because it's coming for sure. And I wonder if people are going to come on that. Allegedly. Well, not allegedly, but are in them.

[Brandon]

Why doesn't he going have a victim on, you know, to tell their story? I mean.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Do you. I'm not sure. Do you think you would ever do that?

[Brandon]

I don't know. I mean, he's had people on that were stuck in cults before, and that sucked. You know, people that was. That got stuck in Scientology, he's had them on. You know, obviously this is quite a lot different, but maybe there's. There's a story there that he wants to know about and. Yeah, well, he's interested. He's gonna have him on. I don't. I don't think he's too worried about that.

[Adam Thorne]

I think, you know, it's the hardest part is having them come on the show. It's not the whole idea. I don't think even if he invites them, they would even be open to it because several reasons I think. One, you know, they've talked about before. They're getting so many death threats. Two, they might accidentally kill Themselves. You never know. Sometimes they might be in a random car crash or something might happen to them.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Don't they call that get suicide on.

[Adam Thorne]

Their way to Austin? Yeah.

[Brandon]

When you get suicided, I mean, we shouldn't laugh, but it's like, yeah, but it's.

[Adam Thorne]

It's just. We're laughing because of how just like. Like, what the world are we living? You know, it's like, that should never be a thing of, like, a victim. And it's like, well, I have to, like, there's so many examples of that, of victims who have tried to come forward and then just like, literally disappear. And then we're asked about it. It's like, yeah, I don't want to lose my life. I think I'm gonna stick with living, you know.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, they've been through a standard already.

[Brandon]

They've been through enough. They don't. They don't owe anyone anything other than, you know, just to be able to live on and, you know, try to survive as best they can with the, you know, the trauma that they have to deal with. They didn't ask for any of that. So why do they now have to go and do this extra thing that, you know, opens them to all this scrutiny? It's not fair. But kudos to those that do that are brave enough. I mean, that poor lady that again got. Died in. Got suicided in Australia, who was like, the main one that, you know, that Prince Andrew, I think, was known to have been sleeping with. And that whole thing.

[Adam Thorne]

It'S a mess, man. It's. It's a mess. Like, this whole thing is just. I don't know what's gonna happen. Like, as this unfolds, I like, I really. I'm just at this point, it's like, just in for the ride. Yeah. It's where it's like, oh, I think this is gonna happen. This person's gonna get prosecuted. I have no idea. There's no real path I see forward. It seems like anything could happen.

[Brandon]

I'm just glad this. The so many, you know, kind of online resources and YouTube channels now, like Coffeezilla, all the rest of it, that are just legit as hell. Constantly doing stories on this and just one Epstein video after the next with, like, really good, solid investigative journalism, which is coming at you way better than anything that you get in a newspaper on CNN or Fox News and those little bullshit clips that they put together that are just regurgitated nonsense that are highly edited, you know, and redacted and propagandized and you know, censored. It's like, none of that is coming from these YouTube channels that are like, this is what we found. This is what it looks like. This is messed up. We tried to reach this person. They had no comment. You know, and then look at Rogan, too. He's just getting so jaded after having the politicians and government people on that he did recently, you know, J.D. vance, he had obviously Patel Trump, and he's just like, you know what? Not again. I mean, he shit on so many politicians right in front of RFK jr's wife, who's. He's a politician. I mean, talking mad shit about Pelosi, which is hilarious. I mean, if there are, I mean, two politicians that Rogan goes after the most, number one, it's Gavin Newsom. He gets flatlined constantly on Rogan. I mean, that guy. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for him.

[Adam Thorne]

And I don't like, I need to see that podcast. I need to see that podcast. Because he before was like, I've considered having him on, you know, I would kill to see that episode.

[Brandon]

I think. I think Gavin would do surprisingly well, and I'll tell you why. I think he would humbly sit there and he would take a beating, and eventually Joe would just actually stop, because Joe's not a bully. I think Joe would shit on him about COVID I think Gavin would take it on the chin and be like, yeah, we made mistakes. We did, and I own that. And I wish we had done better. And, yeah, we messed up on the fires, too, and the homeless thing hasn't gone great. But I have done this, and I have done this, and it is difficult, and it's a tough. I think. I think he would navigate it by taking some jabs, and then they would start having a regular chat, and he would do surprisingly well, and it would add quite a lot to his popularity. And I think that's why Rogan won't have him on, because he doesn't want to add anything to his popularity.

[Adam Thorne]

And then I'm sitting there going, fuck, am I going to vote for Gavin Newsom now? You know, and it's like, you never know. Like, look what happened with Trump, dude.

[Brandon]

Look how far. Look how far Gavin has got. He is, whether you like him or not, pure politician. He's a good one. And I mean, when I say. When I use the word good, I don't mean ethics. I don't mean. I mean in the terms of what is a politician, which is to get votes and to win a spot, and however they do it, I mean, he manages to do that and he's learning quickly how to navigate. When I saw his series of podcasts that he did where he even had Charlie Kirk on, and you listen to that. He takes a bit of a beating from Charlie and he handles it. And I'm like, oh, this is good practice. He's smart. He's learning how to take on these really good debaters and come out the other side actually looking pretty solid. And, yeah, it's a good warm up for Rogan. That.

[Adam Thorne]

That's kind of what the left needs, because you look at Biden, you look at Kamala, and she can't even talk, let alone have a debate. You know what I mean? And then you have someone coming in who's like, literally going, you know, face to face with the. The most popular and prominent debaters in the Republican Party. Yeah, on the right. So, you know, at least no matter how you think of them, you have to look at that and be like, well, I. That is respectful that he's like, even putting himself in front of these people now. I. I'm not a fan of them at all, but I am curious to see where his projection goes from here. And he's good at working the people. What can I say?

[Brandon]

And he really, really wants to get on Rogan because he knows that if he can't get in front of that audience and at least get a shot, it could be the difference between his chance of running for president or not, which is what a lot of people are learning. I don't think, moving forward that anybody becomes, and this is a bold statement, but I'm gonna say it. I don't think anyone becomes president now, really, if they don't go on Rogan and do a three hour stint. I think the future is that both candidates will go on. And it's just part of it.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Brandon]

Whereas before they would do the debates, they would do other things. They go on a bunch of shows. But doing Rogan is a big part of that whole thing now. I think if you skip it and you deny it, it's a big problem for your race.

[Adam Thorne]

I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing because nothing's edited, nothing's to the person's advantage. It's not like, hey, come to the White House and we already have a production crew and then we'll send you the interview. No, it's. We're sitting down unscripted. We're talking for three hours.

[Brandon]

Yeah, you can't hide who you are. Exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

It Starts. That face, that mask really starts to unravel.

[Brandon]

Dude, when he talked about Trump, he was like, Trump is, like, almost 80. Didn't even pee, no warmup, just sat right down, fucking handled it for three hours, was in, did it, had shit to say, was on point, sharp. I mean, dude, if he didn't show up, guns ablazing, with an A plus performance, I mean, I don't know what else to say.

[Adam Thorne]

He knew what he was walking into.

[Brandon]

Dude, he nailed it, bro.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he was trying to get that podcast forever. Trump. Yeah, he wanted to be on that so bad.

[Brandon]

Well, it was Dana. It was Dana that set it up, and he'd been working his magic. Trump knew how to do it. He'd been friends with Dana a long time. He's starting to show up to the UFCs, shaking Rogan's hand, working his way in, not pushing too hard. I mean, look, dude, he knows. He knows how to close a deal. You know, he didn't come on too strong. He wasn't bugging Rogan. He just positioned himself. And in the end, Dana was just like, dude, you gotta have Trump on. Get him on. And Rogan was like, fuck it, let's go. And boom. Trump was there as fast as you can imagine. I mean, he canceled things left and right. Planes were probably. All planes in Texas were like. All flights were stopped for him to jet right there.

[Adam Thorne]

And keep in mind, like, what, three weeks prior, Trump was like, I hope Rogan gets booed at the ufc because.

[Brandon]

Oh, why did he say that again? He says match. I don't know. Rogan said, like, one thing about some policy that Trump, you know, say. It's when Trump's just, like, going off on everyone.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And he's like, I hope he gets fucking booed at the ufc. What a joke. And then three weeks later, he's on the podcast, and he's got that big smile in the thumbnail.

[Brandon]

It's like, yeah, they get on like a house on fire. Well, look, Rogan knows what it's all about. He's like, whatever.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he knows Trump at that point. Trump's just so all over the place, and I feel like that kind of doesn't rule out Gavin being on the podcast, because they've been back and forth, they've talked some shit, and I think. I think that's very possible.

[Brandon]

All right.

[Adam Thorne]

I think it's very possible.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's entirely possible. It's entirely possible. So what. What is your prediction for Gavin Newsom coming on? Throw it out there. What's a Percentage.

[Adam Thorne]

Now, I have to keep this in mind as well, because. All right, let me give you a number. Let me just back it up real quick. Let me, let me just, Let me just set the st for it. All right, so you got to keep two things in mind. You know, Rogan doesn't want Gavin to be the president. He doesn't want Gavin to be elected. But at the same time, Rogan also doesn't believe that his show can get people elected. He said that in the past about Trump. He's like, I'm not sure.

[Brandon]

I don't think he does now.

[Adam Thorne]

It's as powerful as people think. That's the thing, man. You know, so if Rogan doesn't want him elected, why would he give him the platform? You know? But I think it's. I, I think it's a 50, 50 shot. I think it's a 50, 50 shot. I think maybe he might think, you know what? I'm going to give both people a platform. Say, let's say JD Is running. I think if JD Is running against Newsom, he's going to give them both a platform and he's going to have them on like, maybe like three days apart or something. But if JD doesn't go on, he's not having Gavin on. He's only going to make it a fair fight.

[Brandon]

Well, he's. JD will go on 100%. The thing, I think.

[Adam Thorne]

What would be the best case scenario? Here's the best case scenario.

[Brandon]

Okay, all right.

[Adam Thorne]

He has them both on at the same time.

[Brandon]

No, those. That's not going to happen.

[Adam Thorne]

I know, but, but I wanted to. Man, I would love to see that happen.

[Brandon]

Those back and forth. So, like, he's tried those before. They just get so messy. And it's. I think he's. It's just so much cleaner to have him on independently. And it's like, here you go. Just. Just see what you see. You know, I think it's 25 that he has him on. I. The only problem is if, if Gavin is running and he's the front runner, I think that there might be a responsibility that Rogan has to have him on. Like, almost like a fairness thing. Because it's like, you know, you have the Republican candidate on, but you refuse to have the Democratic candidate on. It's like there is an argument to be made of fairness there. Even if you don't like him, it's like, all right, you don't like him, but then just say the points that you don't like. And he, you know, he Also needs to be careful too, because Gavin could handle some criticisms well and it would if Joe keeps on and makes. It would make him look like a bit of a bully. And that's not Joe anyway, so he would back off from that stance and who knows where it goes. So it's like kind of a difficult spot potentially for Rogue. I don't know how he's going to handle that. I'm curious to find out though.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, we're talking about all this. We're in reality, I feel like the only guest we're really going to get here is AI 50 Cent.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I feel like we're saying we want Gavin Newsom, but come election we're waiting for that drop and nope, There he is. AI 50 Cent, of course, returns to.

[Brandon]

The one thing I will say and we close out the Heinz episode is honestly, I think with all of this and with the Epstein list drop, all the chaos in there, I think we're gearing up for another Alex Jones. And remember, seemed like after Sandy Hook and the lawsuit and all the defamation and everything around Alex Jones, it was like he probably will never come back on because he's so controversial. There's an argument to be said that, hey, maybe, maybe there's room for him to come on now because a lot of the crazy shit that he said around this space and remember, he was the first one to really point out Epstein island and, you know, have a lot of people paying attention to it. And he did it a long time ago. There's a lot to be said about his predictions and I think he might be the person to bring on a really kind of close that out. And, you know, his episodes are massive. I mean, it would be so entertaining. Everyone is tuning in to an Alex Jones episode.

[Adam Thorne]

Every single podcast always has the Alex Jones comment. Every single one.

[Brandon]

It's almost always the top comment too.

[Adam Thorne]

Where is Alex Jones Came and went. But Alex Jones is still forever.

[Brandon]

Lives forever.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes, lives forever. Well, hey, what would you rate this?

[Brandon]

Dude? I, you know, honestly, I rate this quite high. I give this a. I give this a 7 out of 10. And I'll tell you why. Because it was. It had elements of old school Rogan watching the animal stuff. Just taking a random guest on watching animals kill shit in nature stuff. It was like Joe's internal mind. Like, let's go down the rabbit hole with Joe. What Joe thinks. And she, she had a great sense of humor about it. You know, I like the shitting on politicians. I thought that was funny. And she had a good sense of Humor for that. I thought she was cool. It had like a light heartedness to it, but then it also delved into some serious shit. It like got into the Epstein stuff, but it wasn't so heavy that I needed a pen and paper to write things down or I got depressed about, you know, the elements that they went into. It was just like, you know, it's like dipping your toe in and saying, oh, shit, that's crazy. Which they said a million times. So, yeah, I like, she's cool. And I was excited to know that Bobby's coming on. He's great.

[Adam Thorne]

Bobby.

[Brandon]

Yeah, you all. He gets to come on and talk about the fucking food pyramid being the correct way around now.

[Adam Thorne]

Dude, if you've seen that south park clip where they made a. They predicted it.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

They were like, it's upside down. And it's. It's. They've been a whole south park episode about it. Turns out that they were correct. They actually did it. Oh, I gave it a 6 out of 10. I give it a 6 out of 10. You know, there are some good, good moments. I feel like the Epstein thing could have been a little more in depth.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

The chemistry, a lot of Joe, him kind of just talking about classic Rogan points. And I do kind of agree with that comment. It's like you're stuck in a room with your friend's wife, so you have to talk to her. And they maybe didn't have like the most amazing chemistry of all time, but it was a good conversation. There was a lot of good conversations. For me, five out of 10 is average. I say this is above average. Six out of 10.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

For me, solid.

[Brandon]

And you know, the bit that I really liked and then I believed is that when Cheryl said, I've never met anybody that would say, I wish I could, you know, I would prefer to just be B list, like. And it really does speak to Joe, and I believe it. I don't think many human beings would actually prefer to just be that level of famous. Once fame starts building up in you, you want more of it.

[Adam Thorne]

It.

[Brandon]

It may be more addictive than money to almost everyone. And I really do believe that Joe kind of doesn't give a fuck about it. It's like he truly did accidentally walk into this level of it and it speaks to why he's so good at this position. And it's something really to think about. It's very.

[Adam Thorne]

I think he's feeling that now more than ever. For sure.

[Brandon]

It's very cool. Anyway, that's it for us. Thank you so much for listening, as always. Check this one out. It's fun. And there are a couple of good ones to come. I mean, Robert Malone is back on. We will be reviewing that one at the end of the week. And if you remember, that is all the biggest controversy that got Rogan in all the COVID stuff. That also led to the mashup videos on CNN where they made him look like a horse dewormer drinking lunatic. And then someone mashed up the N Word video and they were really trying to take him down. It led to the Spotify pushback with Neil Young where everyone was going to take their music away. It was a stressful time for Rogan and for Malone where they just basically tried to destroy his whole career. Also, it was around the time where my whole podcast blew up. Rogan talks about gaining 2 million subscribers during that time. So even though all of the media were out to get him and, you know, a lot of the government, the people were behind him and they did the same with my podcast. So I want to thank everybody out there for that support and we are going to praise Robert Malone and that episode later in the week and dive into it. So I'm really excited that he's back on and we're going to. We're gonna see what he has to say. So good times. But thank you guys as always, and we will talk to you later. Cheers.

[Adam Thorne]

See ya.