506 JRE Review of Robert Malone, MD

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast

Episode 506: Review of Joe Rogan’s Interview with Dr. Robert Malone, MD

Released: February 21, 2026
Hosts: Adam Thorne & Peter

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode takes a deep-dive into Joe Rogan’s now-legendary interview with Dr. Robert Malone, an mRNA vaccine technology pioneer who became a lightning rod during the COVID era for his criticism of mandates, public messaging, censorship, and institutional trust. Adam and Peter provide both a recap and cultural analysis, reflecting on the broader impact of Malone’s appearance—not just on public conversation about COVID, but also on Rogan’s trajectory, media dynamics, and long-term cultural aftershocks.

The hosts explore:

• Malone’s credentials and critiques of COVID vaccine deployment
• The immediate and far-reaching backlash against both Malone and Rogan
• Issues of censorship, narrative control, and mass psychology
• The personal impact of the pandemic on real people and business
• Reflection on the broader socio-political legacy of the COVID years

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Malone’s Background and The Rogan Controversy

• Malone, “certified badass” and “doctor and a scientist associated with early MRNA platform research,” became a central figure in COVID debate, embodying the “credentialed insider turned critic.” (01:23–01:38)
• Rogan’s episode with Malone not only drove massive new audiences but also sparked a major media firestorm, with attacks from outlets like CNN, artist backlash on Spotify, and institutional efforts to discredit Malone.
  • Quote [A, 02:13]: "He literally couldn’t be more qualified to say the things he said. And that still wasn’t even close to enough."
  • Quote [A, 02:16]: "Tell you the amount of people that I spoke to that were instantly ready to dismiss him because he didn’t go with the narrative. I felt like I was the crazy person for just being open enough..."

2. Malone’s Criticisms of the Vaccine Roll-Out

• Concerns over the technology being used in ways not intended or tested for, including unresolved problems like inflammation and potential cardiac effects.
  • Quote [A, 04:00]: "He was surprised they had solved the problems he knew existed, like massive inflammation... and that could be a problem, especially for the heart."
• Both hosts agree many experts who questioned the dominant narrative were systematically marginalized.

3. Impact on Rogan, The Podcast, and Public Sentiment

• Ensuing controversy after Malone’s appearance led to both increased scrutiny of Rogan and a surge in followers.
  • Quote [A, 05:18]: "That’s when our review show also blew up... my show shot straight to number six in the US Podcasting charts."
• Despite the firestorm, Rogan didn't turn against Malone and maintained his commitment to open dialogue.
  • Quote [A, 05:55]: "Rogan could have easily, if he was a lesser man, turned that frustration back... No hate at all."

4. Censorship and The Battle for Narrative Control

• Malone's subsequent shadowbanning and professional marginalization illustrate the cost of dissent.
• Widespread suppression of data—such as vaccine injury—continues to trouble the hosts, who note some data in the U.S. will remain sealed for 15 years, frustrating transparent assessment.
  • Quote [B, 08:57]: "They just sealed the vaccine injury data for 15 more years..."

5. Mass Formation Psychosis & Societal Behavior

• Discussion of Malone’s “mass formation psychosis” theory, where societies become psychologically unified around fear, intolerant of dissent, and easily manipulated by authorities.
  • Quote [A, 17:33]: "Defined as populations becoming fixated on a single narrative, intolerant of dissent, and psychologically unified around fear or crisis."
  • The hosts reflect on how this played out among their friends, in retail, and even amongst health professionals.

6. Real-Life Consequences—From Health to Business to Policy

• Personal stories of vaccine reactions and the impossibility of getting vaccine injury acknowledged by the medical establishment.
  • Quote [B, 21:04]: "This was a doctor... She’s in fact had an adverse reaction. She’s injured by the vaccine long term. Her heart is no longer the same."
• Highlighting arbitrary policies (mask mandates, business lockdowns) and their effects: economic devastation, social disconnection, and generational damage, especially to children.
  • Quote [A, 44:46]: "What about the kids... the younger kids... should have had all that social time, they were just at home, isolated, shut away..."

7. Retrospective—The COVID Legacy & Institutional Trust

• The hosts emphasize that the real story is about trust: what happens when public institutions lose credibility and double down instead of communicating uncertainty?
  • Quote [A, 54:39]: "The big takeaway ... really isn’t about mRNA; it’s about trust. Rogan keeps circling with the same question: What happens when institutions lose credibility faster than they communicate uncertainty?"
• They speculate about how the next pandemic will be handled, whether society has learned anything, or if it’s primed for a repeat.
• Reflection on the vast upward transfer of wealth and governmental overreach.
• Admiration for America’s relative resistance to draconian lockdowns compared with Europe.

8. Censorship, Social Media, and the Power of Platforms

• The episode credits Elon Musk’s acquisition of Twitter as pivotal for breaking up monolithic narrative control, even as censorship pressures on platforms resurface.
  • Quote [A, 33:27]: "Thank God Elon bought Twitter... because it really highlighted how the social media companies could be massively manipulated by government pressures and propaganda."
  • Grumbles about even X/Twitter becoming less open after initial progress.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

(All time stamps in MM:SS format)

• "He literally couldn’t be more qualified to say the things that he said. And that still wasn’t even close to enough."
  — Adam, 02:13
• "The guy that invented it? I think so."
  — Peter, 03:36
• "I love that Rogan had him on...and it doesn’t sound like there’s any ill will. Imagine what Rogan went through because of it...No hate at all."
  — Adam, 05:52
• "They just sealed the vaccine injury data for 15 more years…"
  — Peter, 08:57
• "Defined as populations becoming fixated on a single narrative, intolerant of dissent, and psychologically unified around fear or crisis."
  — Adam, 17:33
• "She was totally on board with all the messaging. And she’s in fact had an adverse reaction. She’s injured by the vaccine long term. Her heart is no longer the same."
  — Peter, 21:04
• "It did really strange things in high performance individuals that, like, attack their heart."
  — Peter, 23:06
• "Honestly, Joe was quite respectful. It wasn’t like a gotcha interview, but he was like, what did you think, what did CNN think they were doing by changing the way I look, and then changing what I said…"
  — Adam, 39:14
• "That’s why these conversations are so important. Having him back on, it’s like, what have we learned? What’s the conclusion?"
  — Adam, 43:00
• "The big takeaway Malone’s episode, it really isn’t about mRNA, it’s about trust. Rogan keeps circling with the same question. What happens when institutions lose credibility faster than they communicate uncertainty?"
  — Adam, 54:39

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:23–04:24 – Malone introduction, credentials, and the lead-up to controversy
• 05:18–06:57 – The aftermath: Rogan and hosts’ own boost in audience/"Thank you, Malone"
• 07:10–08:57 – Shadow banning, professional exile, and the price of dissent
• 10:12–14:35 – Policy mistakes, sealed vaccine injury data, and early “herd immunity” outliers
• 17:21–20:34 – "Mass Formation Psychosis" and recounting pandemic psychology
• 21:04–23:01 – Adverse vaccine reactions: real-life stories
• 27:45–29:54 – Peer review, bias, and blind spots of scientific consensus
• 33:27–35:57 – Censorship, Elon Musk, and tech platforms’ new role
• 43:00–44:46 – Long-term effects: from lost education to shifting social trust
• 54:39–55:23 – Final takeaways: loss of institutional trust, the power of alternative media

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Tone, Language & Style

The hosts maintain a conversational, irreverent, and skeptical tone, mixing humor with pointed observations. Adam and Peter use plain, direct language, peppered with sarcasm and personal anecdotes. They aim to be engaging for Rogan fans, COVID policy skeptics, and those interested in media criticism.

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Episode Takeaways

• Malone’s episode with Rogan remains a milestone in the COVID discourse, symbolizing both the dangers of institutional groupthink and the power of alternative, open platforms.
• Most salient is the ongoing crisis of public trust in health and scientific authority, compounded by censorship and the suppression of dissent—even by those with credentials.
• Hosts recommend revisiting the original Malone episode for historical perspective and further insight into how public opinion, media control, and trust have evolved.

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Recommended for:

• Anyone interested in the intersection of science, media, and public trust
• Rogan listeners looking for a historical/contextual lens on the podcast’s biggest moments
• Listeners wanting to understand how COVID cultural divides keep echoing into the present

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

certified badass.

[A]

Oh yeah. Dr. Malone is, well, a doctor and a scientist associated with early MRNA platform research and multiple patents related to MRNA vaccine technology. He became one of the most controversial expert voices during COVID particularly around mandates, institutional messaging, censorship, and public trust in science. He represents the Rogan archetype of credentialed insider turned critic. This is a heavy idea dense episode that starts with science and quickly expands into institutional trust, media pressure, narrative formation, and cultural psychology. The conversation isn't just about medicine. It's about how society forms consensus and what happens when dissent is punished. I'm very excited for this episode because not only was it right after Malone came on that Rogan got hit with the CNN propaganda bullshit. Plus the mashup video where they really tried to take Rogan down. Also the artists on Spotify saying they'd remove their music. I mean, they went after Rogan hard, but I mean, they even came after Malone and he has all these patents. I mean, he literally couldn't be more qualified to say the things that he said. And that still wasn't even close to enough. They. They were. It was so easy for them to be like, no, he's just, he's a joke, he's a quack.

[B]

But he invented the. Their. The vaccine. Right?

[A]

I know. It's ridiculous. Anyone that took five minutes to go, wait a minute, what does he actually know?

[B]

Oh, everything.

[A]

Tell you the amount of people that I spoke to that was instantly ready to dismiss him because he didn't go with the narrative. I felt like I was the crazy person for just being open enough to sit there and go, should we at least possibly listen to a little bit of what he says?

[B]

The guy that invented it? I think so.

[A]

The guy that invented it.

[B]

I wonder how it got co opt. And, you know, they took and they ran with it.

[A]

The powers that be amazing to.

[B]

To. They implemented the. What is it? COVID vaccine in such a way that he did not approve of. Is that one of the. One of the controversies? Yeah.

[A]

Well, he got sick from it, right?

[B]

He's like, don't use it like this. It's not meant for this.

[A]

And he also knew kind of how it worked. And, you know, he was surprised that they had solved the problems that he knew existed, which was like, massive inflammation and how you can't really, like, localize it or direct it. It just kind of goes wherever. And that could be a problem, especially for the heart.

[B]

X, Y and Z lands in the heart.

[A]

And then he's like, oh, wait, they didn't solve any of these problems.

[B]

Is rushed through it. And. And that is a scary thing that they did.

[A]

But another thing that is really interesting about this episode for me is it was right after this episode, because it was, you know, shortly before this that Rogan had gone over to Spotify. He hadn't been over there long. Then Malone came on, then all this controversy. Well, this was a massive influx of viewers to Rogan's show. That's when Rogan was saying, I gained 2 million followers. That's when our review show also blew up. So we picked up a lot of people very frustrated with the COVID narrative as well. And then my show shot straight to number six in the US Podcasting shots.

[B]

That's incredible.

[A]

Literally the sixth biggest show in the world.

[B]

Nuts.

[A]

Crazy, bruh. Lil oo reviews.

[B]

Rogan's show here in this barn?

[A]

Yeah, in this barn.

[B]

This shed out back. How about that? So thanks. Thanks, Malone.

[A]

Oh, I owe him a Starbucks gift card.

[B]

You least 20 bucks.

[A]

At least 25.

[B]

Let's buy that guy. Let's get on his sub stack. That's what he really wants.

[A]

He's a good man. Does he have a Patreon?

[B]

He's at a substack.

[A]

Oh, I'll throw a couple of bucks in there.

[B]

We should read his essays.

[A]

I'd like to. He sounds like. He sounds like a great guy.

[B]

He's a farmer and a carpenter. Jesus.

[A]

I like that. He. Well, he. He Survived it all. I love the Rogan had him on. And it doesn't sound like there's any ill will. I mean, imagine what like what Rogan went through because of it. And Rogan could have easily, if he was a lesser of a man, he could have turned that frustration that he felt back on the person that kind of brought that to his doorstep in a. In a sense. No, no hate at all.

[B]

He's not that kind of guy though.

[A]

No, he's a. He's not that guy.

[B]

He's not that guy.

[A]

We wouldn't expect it, but a lesser man would. You could see a lesser man would do that.

[B]

Get. Get spiteful.

[A]

Well, just be like, ah, I'm not gonna have him on. Screw that guy.

[B]

Right? I got so much flak last time.

[A]

I don't want that flack again.

[B]

I don't want Neil Young to come for me. That dangerous Neil Young mafia.

[A]

Oh, hilarious. Yeah, hilarious. So much that did Neon Moon, but let's get into it.

[B]

Oh, that's a different guy.

[A]

So yeah, he comes on and right away Rogan's like, well, you were right. I mean, what a redemption arc that is

[B]

still controversial to many people though.

[A]

Yeah, like he's hard to.

[B]

Oh, dude, he shadow banned on Twitter.

[A]

He couldn't get a job at a university now I'm sure probably in most universities. I bet it would be difficult. I bet his speaking engagements are mostly shot down, like in some areas possibly. But I think history will look on him differently. I think in time that he will be seen as someone that really saw through it.

[B]

That it. Right.

[A]

Yeah. But that's a heavy price to pay. I think that's why during an event like Covid, most people sheeple their way through it.

[B]

Yeah, that's the easiest way.

[A]

Sam Harris.

[B]

Sorry. Fauci. Fauci.

[A]

So I had something in the. Well, no, he didn't sheeple. He shepherded.

[B]

He shepherded.

[A]

He shepherded everyone through.

[B]

He shoved us through. I'm still dealing with some repercussions from that era where I was pretty much forced to get the vaccine, you know, Really? I felt the moderna one. I guess that one has some of the most long term consequences.

[A]

Is this why you act like that?

[B]

I'm not all there anymore, Pete. I used to be a. I used to be a contender. You know what I mean?

[A]

Stop licking the mic. Get back.

[B]

Can you hear that? Is it coming through?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's. That's another thing. Time. Time will tell for a lot of people. I mean, especially with that Myocarditis stuff or whatever else. I mean it's. And they don't like kind of releasing that data either. They don't like doing it because I think it doesn't look favorable.

[B]

They just sealed that again for 15 more years in. Where was it? I think it was in the United States. They just sealed the vaccine injury data for 15 more years.

[A]

I don't think it's gonna matter though, cuz not every country is gonna do that. I don't think the NHS is doing that.

[B]

It's one world government, bro.

[A]

No, I think the NHS will. That's like a national health system.

[B]

I believe in this.

[A]

I think that you can get a hold of that type of data and all we have to do is get it from one country and then we're like, that's what it does. Look, it's right there. Run it through ChatGPT. And it's like, yep, that's bad. It sucks.

[B]

Wonder if there's like maybe Norway or. What was the one that took a non conformist approach?

[A]

Oh, was it Sweden or Switzerland? One of this was.

[B]

Or Norway. No, I think they worked on the. The herd immunity.

[A]

Yeah. And it worked well.

[B]

Yeah. Finland maybe. Where's. I don't know.

[A]

We don't know. It's an S1. S. It's an S. We've obviously done our research, but I believe it was an S1 and they did fine. And no one else copied them. Except probably Florida. But that was mostly arrogance. God bless Florida.

[B]

Hard headedness.

[A]

Yeah. They went, we're going for it.

[B]

They were right until they're wrong.

[A]

Yeah. Well, if it wasn't gonna work, Florida is like 90% retired people. Everyone would have died. They didn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So there you go.

[B]

I think they had some mandates down there too. Great. For a while, Desantis had the. He follows in line, he falls in line.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But anyway, I think people are seeing it for what it is now. Uh, it's only a matter of time before like the good movies and documentaries really start flooding. They're not doing them now because I think people are still kind of. There's a lot of emotion around this. They're not ready for it, they don't want to see it. So it's going to be a few more years, I think.

[B]

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[B]

Right? And we were lied to and terrible policies and arbitrary as well. Not science based distancing policy wise. Masks, six feet. None of that stuff made sense.

[A]

Hopefully they tie it right to Gavin Newsom as soon as he's running for president and it just shuts his whole campaign down.

[B]

Well, heaven can only hope because he

[A]

was full on while he was eating at the French laundry doing his laundry dude, and it's washing his berets, greasing

[B]

his hair with something.

[A]

Don't get Me started.

[B]

Well, you know, I think the. The big E files mention the pandemics and how to deal with pandemics and how to get people to be more tractable. And Bill Gates has a lot to pay for too. Yeah, he's part of this.

[A]

He seems like a big planner.

[B]

He's a planner. He basically owns the who I found out.

[A]

Is he.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Uh huh. He's not a. He's a archetypal mega evil doer, that guy.

[A]

He's a Bond villain, basically.

[B]

With like a pot belly.

[A]

Yeah, like Bezos looks like the Bond villain. Not even on the list. Not in. In one email.

[B]

He's got his own yacht. Like he could party with whoever he wants to.

[A]

He's doing his own stuff.

[B]

Of age.

[A]

Women of age. Yep.

[B]

And we don't care if they're hired or not.

[A]

Just. Just sending out packages, books everywhere, fast.

[B]

I got one today.

[A]

Great deliveries.

[B]

Didn't even know I ordered it.

[A]

Brilliant.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

It's like Christmas all the time with that Amazon. Tell you what, did this podcast just suddenly become sponsored by Amazon?

[B]

We're going off the rails here.

[A]

Well, I am. You know, I do have to say with him, I am impressed that Bezos skimmed right past this. He's starting to look real good. That shiny bald head is starting to shine real bright.

[B]

All from just selling used bucks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then he just got. Do you think. What do you think about the whole theory about these rich famous people getting replaced by clones?

[A]

It's fun, isn't it?

[B]

It's real fun because at some point, Bezos just was like this dweeb. Now he's just, like, yoked.

[A]

Oh, he just got roided up. But it is wild to look at the before and afters because he looks so much better.

[B]

He does.

[A]

If you put them next to each other and you were like, this is. Bezos is like big brother that you don't know about. It's like, yeah, it looks like a different person.

[B]

Well, he did. He's using his money correctly.

[A]

I mean, he's just. He's just massive. He just got jacked. He was so nerdy. He looked nerdier than Zuckerberg. And then now he.

[B]

And that's hard to do.

[A]

Yeah. Now he just looks like beefcake.

[B]

He looks like a Santa Monica staple.

[A]

He's got to be the most in shape billionaire. Is there a more in shape billionaire?

[B]

Think I. I don't know. Some Chinese ones maybe.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I don't know. Kung fu.

[A]

Oh, dude, come on now.

[B]

Kimchi. That's Korean.

[A]

Dang.

[B]

It.

[A]

Well, all right, let's talk about that mass formation psychosis thing, because he brought that up when he came on before and this is a bit of his theory, but I like it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So defined as populations becoming fixated on a single narrative, intolerant of dissent, and psychologically unified around fear or crisis.

[B]

We are just the society of that everything. It's like, what's the new thing? I'm here to protest for it. What's. What. What do we don't want? I'm here to protest against it.

[A]

Yeah. What do I suddenly believe strongly in? Give me a sign.

[B]

What's my whole personality for the next two years?

[A]

What do I. What do I put on my Instagram? Tell me.

[B]

Black circle.

[A]

Yeah. Squares. Blue ones.

[B]

Triangles.

[A]

Yep. Rainbows? Whatever it takes.

[B]

I quickly deleted that one.

[A]

Okay. You had it on for some time.

[B]

You create. I fell for it.

[A]

You were a big fan. That's why you like the new Star Trek.

[B]

The gay one.

[A]

The. What is it?

[B]

The, like, the Starfleet Academy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that one.

[B]

Oh, don't give me.

[A]

I think they got canceled after, like, three episodes.

[B]

No, they're doing two seasons.

[A]

Is that true?

[B]

Check out Nerd Roddick. He goes into that.

[A]

People don't like it.

[B]

I was a Trek. I'm a Trek fan.

[A]

I'm a big Trekkie.

[B]

I'm more Trekkie than I am Star Wars.

[A]

Well, we. We're gonna circle back on this one because we're gonna.

[B]

The.

[A]

That popped up in another Rogan episode this week.

[B]

Okay. The.

[A]

They got pretty mad about it. The guest. That.

[B]

We'll chat about that next time.

[A]

But, yeah, back to the mass formation. I mean, you know, it seems true. And, you know, these leaders can capitalize on that. And they really did use fear because that was the big thing. Yes, that was the anger. People that would get mad at me when I would bring up questions, just questions like, hey, but don't you think. And they're like, but safety lives, you arrogant.

[B]

Oh, you're killing my grandma.

[A]

I've. I talked to people during that time that literally would, like, started crying in front of me, and I wasn't doing anything that justified making them cry. Like, they literally were hysterical people. But then they're completely normal human beings. They had no psychological problems. It wasn't like they. They were just overreacting in this particular thing because of the weight of this message that they had been fed. And they believed it. They really did think that what I was saying, even by questioning it, was that people would die and that I was I must be a horrible person.

[B]

The.

[A]

And they knew me, which is bizarre.

[B]

The fear of losing businesses. Business owners were afraid. I experienced that quite heavily in Arizona where I was working. The, you know, the business owner was terrified that their business will be shut down for a report because you could. You could tell on people.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Tell on businesses. So we, of course we had the masks and all that stuff and we had funny seating arrangements and smearing everything with bleach water. And it's just a break from reality. This was a doctor, owned this restaurant I worked at with this bar. And she was totally on board with all the messaging. And she's in fact had an adverse reaction. She's injured by the vaccine long term. Her heart is no longer the same.

[A]

Oh no.

[B]

Yeah. And I wish her all the best, but it's. It was a break from her reality. Like she lost all.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Credulousness, you know? Mm.

[A]

It's like you do everything they said and it still turns out horrendous. Yet if she had maybe not taken the vaccine and just ran her business completely normal, good chance, based on the data we have today would have been completely fine.

[B]

Except for she may have been shut down a little bit. But that's okay. I mean.

[A]

Oh, well, because. But let's say that none of those rules happened. But Covid still existed. Like probably would have just been fine. Yeah, I guess maybe would have got Covid and just got over it.

[B]

Didn't he say that it's not a vaccine at all?

[A]

Yeah, he was kind of implying that. Right. Because it is different.

[B]

It's because it doesn't keep you from getting it and it doesn't keep you

[A]

from spreading it, which is the point of vaccines.

[B]

Which was a vaccine. That's what a vaccine is. Uh huh.

[A]

Yeah. It just like reduces the body's response, potentially. It reduces how long you have it for. And therefore the transition time.

[B]

Okay. Is a narrower window potentially.

[A]

Right. So it makes it a bit better. It makes it a bit better, Pete. If it's a bit better, it's a bit better.

[B]

I was sick for like 4.

[A]

Imagine if they tried to sell it to us like that. Get the vaccine. It makes you a bit better. We think it's a tough sell.

[B]

It might help you.

[A]

It might be a bit better.

[B]

Because even the super elderly were. I mean, their doctors say, hey, don't get this because you have all these other comorbidities. This vaccine could push you over the edge. So like, there's a narrow window where it's even useful. Kids don't need it.

[A]

Sure. Little kids for sure.

[B]

Yeah, they didn't need it.

[A]

Yeah, it was super rare for them to get.

[B]

In fact it did really strange things in high performance individuals that like attack their heart specifically because they have very strong.

[A]

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[B]

The classic snack wrap we all know

[A]

and love paired with the sweet heat

[B]

of hot honey sauce.

[A]

Just what we needed to make it even more perfect. You know the drill. So go to McDonald's and try it today.

[B]

Bodies and immune systems and it spiked the immune system and the turned on. It turned on the body. And we had athletes just drop dead.

[A]

Yeah, that's wild.

[B]

Like maybe like I don't know.

[A]

And they're still not really kind of tying those two things together. They're loosely sort of being like well that just kind of. But it's, it's like to some people, to plenty of like cardiologists that are willing to speak out, they're like this is a clear indication this was not happening before. Like this. Not even close. There was something like of those types of deaths there was like over the last 40 years before that there was a tiny number and now only after like five years after the vaccine, it's like five times as many as all the years before that. I'm bullshitting. These numbers I Don't know, but it's like, it's absurd, the differences. It's enough to clearly say something massive changed between like 2020, 2021 and since it is heart related and we know the vaccines kind of mess with that. To those people that are experts in that particular field, it seems pretty fucking clear.

[B]

I also have heard some anecdotes about doctors not even treating vaccine injury as vaccine injury. Like, you know, there's been some. A couple of. A friend of yours and mine had a mini stroke after they had the vaccine. Younger than you, older than me, not in the range of strokes, but had one. And the doctors don't. They'll treat the symptoms, but they're not going to say, where'd this come from? They don't want to push that. Oh yeah, they're not curious about that.

[A]

Oh, he didn't even think it was for that. He wanted to be like, no, I was just a random one. Just, I'm like, you just had a random stroke, did you, bud? Obviously I didn't say that to him. I was more concerned about how he felt and. But I was just kind of like, and, and what else could it be?

[B]

He lives a pretty healthy life. That guy's chiller than a polar bear's toenail. He's not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Could you.

[A]

I think I, you know, he hasn't said, but I think he knows and he doesn't want to say because he was very sold on that whole narrative too. But I'm sure he has his suspicions. I mean, it's an unusual one.

[B]

It's still pretty, pretty polarizing currently.

[A]

Polarizing? Polar bear polarizing. I'll tell you. Well, he said, what did it take about four years in D.C. before you could start talking seriously about the lab leak thing again?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, that same person we were just talking about sent me a peer reviewed paper one time on why it came from the wet market and not the lab. And it was a peer reviewed paper reviewed by lots of quote unquote peers. And there were all these little dots from this map in the market and the lab was across the river and there was only two dots on the lab side of the river. And I'm like, oh, look at those two dots. It obviously didn't come from that lab that makes Covid vaccines then or messes with like Covid diseases then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's like, yeah, I mean that's what it's saying and that's peer reviewed. I'm like, bro, I think it's about time we just stopped listening to this type of information. I know we have up until now, and I have trusted it as well.

[B]

So we have.

[A]

But let's kind of start using our actual brains for a second and maybe consider that we're being fed some bullshit.

[B]

Yeah. The.

[A]

He did not see that.

[B]

The peer reviewed thing is like. Well, we have.

[A]

Well, we've learned a lot about what peer reviewed means since then, which has really been enlightening.

[B]

Often peers are in on it.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Peers are peer pressured. Peer pressure. That's not positive. They're peer pressured.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sneaky to toe the line.

[A]

Yeah. It's not really like independent evaluators, you know, that are just completely subjective and are just looking at it from separate lenses that are unbiased and are just analyzing data. They're like, we're on board. We've checked it. It's good.

[B]

Yeah. There's also a thing that happens in studies where if there's an aberrant data that falls outside of a predicted range, they will throw that out. Like, so if it's higher than the number they assumed, then they're like, that can't be a correct data point. So we'll toss that out. Oh, that. Well, it's not from the lab. So those two dots over there on the lab, we're gonna toss those out and we'll just focus on what we're like kind of shooting the arrow and painting the target afterwards.

[A]

Sure. Yeah.

[B]

I love that saying.

[A]

That's good. A lot of cherry picking going on.

[B]

Pumpkin patch.

[A]

That's it. Yep. Bat picking.

[B]

That's how you get Covid.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Or aids.

[A]

That'll get you. That'll get you there, get you closer. But now it's, you know, it seems pretty obvious. That's why I love that time Jon Stewart went on the Colbert. And Colbert was like straight up trying to derail Jon Stewart's little monologue that was not only hilarious, but super informative, where he was like on a rant about maybe it came from the lab that makes the thing. Yeah. And Kobe's like, I don't. And he kept trying to interrupt. And it was just beautiful stuff. And it was really like one of the first times and just heavy and like, you know, Jon Stewart is like, well respected on the side of the narrative. Listeners that weren't into the idea of the lab leak. So it was an important message from him. And it was one of those moments where it's like, yeah, guys, duh. Hello.

[B]

I think we have to. It's important to remember that lab was in China. But funded by Fauci. Yeah, the research was his research.

[A]

I mean, come on.

[B]

How obvious is this?

[A]

Could we not just like, you know, that's like one of those conspiracy boards where you have the pictures and then the red lines, the string between them.

[B]

One of these.

[A]

It's just like, one string.

[B]

It's just one string.

[A]

They're like, look.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

One string.

[B]

Straight to Fauci.

[A]

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to put that together. Yet somehow they tricked almost everybody, like, most of everybody, into being like, no, I don't believe that one string. It's too straight. I'm gonna believe a bunch of nonsense in between. Like, it came. It randomly mutated from a market that just happened to be down the road. I mean, think about it. If that was a murder investigation, there's like, a massive criminal penitentiary of, like, the worst murderers ever. And then they're like, no, the murder happened in that cave.

[B]

Well, yeah, they did.

[A]

Down the road.

[B]

They did use the same ax. But it could be like, you could have got that axe from anywhere.

[A]

It's a different axe.

[B]

I mean, there's a new book by. Or not that new, but it's. Rand Paul has a book about this, exposing Fauci's connection and the way we as a nation and a world dealt with this. I think that's. It would probably be a good, interesting read.

[A]

Yeah, I do want to read it. I'm into it for sure.

[B]

You know, what else does Malone had to say on the subject?

[A]

Well, what doesn't he have to say? I mean, let's talk about censorship, for one. I mean, just the overall online censorship that happened. Thank God Elon bought Twitter. I think that that was. I mean, this whole thing really cost Elon $40 billion, if you think about it, because it really highlighted how the social media companies could be massively manipulated by government pressures and propaganda. And they all were just, you know, fell in line and they were doxxing. People just. Everyone was getting kicked off of Twitter for just. Just actual reporting, Right? And Elon just went, no, I don't think that this is gonna work. I think that we have to change this at all costs. I mean, he must have known that it was immediately gonna be a massive loss, which, by the way, he's now somehow turned it into a massive profit, and now he's worth $850 billion.

[B]

So, geez, he's doing okay.

[A]

Good work.

[B]

Malone says he's still censored on Twitter or Shadow Band who Malone is.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know.

[B]

I Mean, there's no perfect systems here. No. Yeah.

[A]

I don't really know. Maybe that has something to do with

[B]

medical advice in general.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's got to be some rules somewhere, so. And now, you know, X is like kind of tied in with the government and that AI working with the military and those sorts of things, so maybe that puts some restraints on them. I have noticed the Grock is like not answering more and more questions recently.

[B]

They can a little.

[A]

It's starting to be censored and take a step back from the more controversial things.

[B]

It was the Wild west about a year ago.

[A]

Yeah. And it's starting to get a little bit more corporate. I don't really know why. I'm sure there's probably some, some talk online. I haven't looked into it, but it's. It's almost like, you know, when I find myself switching over to ChatGPT just to get an answer that Grok won't give me, I'm like, wait a minute, isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Why am I going over here for this?

[B]

Maybe we'll have to go to.

[A]

I'm sorry, I can't answer that because it's like I can't give medical advice for this and I'm like, I'm just asking about barely anything.

[B]

Relax. I can't wait for the data to be unfrozen.

[A]

What data?

[B]

Just the data. The data in general. Like the vaccine injury data.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

And hopefully the NHS pulls through and doesn't self censor because like you said, they do a good job tracking all that stuff.

[A]

Oh yeah, they will have it all and they make it pretty public. And it's all national databases, so in the us it's all segmented, private. Yeah, it's like way easier to hide it all, it's harder to collect it all nationally, you know, under the guise of privacy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So it's just like data is important to collect like that. That's how you figure out trends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, it doesn't really. It doesn't really work well in that way. Yeah. I don't know. But I really think overall it's ultimately a massive testament to one Rogan show, Rogan's audience, you know, the loyalty of Rogan's audience and just the power of the people, dare I say. Because even though this message in this narrative was as strong as it was, there seemed to be a place people could go for an alternative message. And it quickly became Joe. Because before this, Joe's show obviously was very, very big. But the reason it is as big as it is, I think that, you know, and it probably would have been very big, you know, anyway. But the ultimate power, I think that it has got to the fact that it's like almost deciding, basically deciding presidents now, you know, in a lot of ways, like all politicians have to go on there now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of this controversy, that conversation with Malone and then moving forward, all of the loyalty that it bought Rogan, I think it just built massive trust in him for right or for wrong. It's like he. He wasn't perfect with this.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But out of all the news and all the CNN and all the other bits of bullshit that we got, there was one element where people were like, yeah, but you know what? At least he was honest with us. At least he brought us guests, that he was doing his best. He wasn't purposely feeding us bullshit.

[B]

I mean, and it seems like he's brought both sides of the thing too. He said he had some. Didn't he have some pro vacciners on? Oh, yeah, yeah, he's got. He's had all sorts.

[A]

Well, he brought that CNN doctor on. Oh, that just ruined him, that guy. I don't know what he thought he was walking into. And honestly, Joe was quite respectful. It wasn't like a gotcha interview, but he was like, what did you think? What did CNN think they were doing? By changing the way I look.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then changing what I said. And like, I mean, the guy had nothing to push back on. He was just like, well, they shouldn't have done that. You're right. No, that's true. They shouldn't have done that.

[B]

They didn't mention all the other things he was doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the monoclonal antibodies, like the 12

[A]

other things that he took.

[B]

Getting great exercise all the time, sunlight.

[A]

They're like, he's taking worm juice. Just like complete. Just focus on the one thing that sounds the most ridiculous.

[B]

Geez, I would love to have a little bit of worm medicine. Take some right now.

[A]

Yeah, supposedly that's like quite good actually for a bunch of different things.

[B]

Antiviral. And you know what? I probably got worms.

[A]

So I'm pretty sure like more humans have ever taken it than horses anyway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'd have to google it, but I think that actually is true. So it's kind of disingenuous calling it like horse medicine.

[B]

The guy that made it won the Nobel Prize in medicine. Yeah.

[A]

It's not like a crappy medicine.

[B]

Over a billion people served. Yeah. Better than McDonald's because it saves your life and it costs. The problem is it costs cents on

[A]

a dose since they weren't going to make hundreds of billions of dollars.

[B]

And what's that thing? The FDA has to. If there's another medicine that will do it, then that medicine, the new medicines won't be approved.

[A]

Well, they can't pull the emergency, you know, medical whatever act, and they can't make it like this emergency deal because, you know, and basically shut down everyone's rights and then pump this into the system and therefore mandate everyone to take it. They would have options and then give people a cheaper medicine, and they didn't want to do that, so they were like, take this. It's the best. And it's the only thing you're allowed. And everything else is bad. And we banned it. And Joe eats worm juice.

[B]

Callie, now I want some worm juice. Horse medicine, please. I'm gonna get some hydrochloroquine.

[A]

I'm gonna have it in my first aid kit.

[B]

There he goes, busting out the worm sauce again.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, it's a broken leg.

[A]

I just put it on everything. I'm like, ah, blister.

[B]

I don't think that's gonna work.

[A]

No, it's probably not gonna. Probably not gonna. But, yeah, there was. There was a lot of psychology going on at that time, you know, and a lot of manipulation of hearts and minds, and good people were pulled in all different directions and, you know, I hate to say it, families pulled apart, you know, elderly people just kind of dying alone.

[B]

That's tragic.

[A]

Yeah. My. My wife's grandmother, she couldn't. My wife didn't get to see. Be close to my. Her grandmother, she just, like, had to die in a different room. They're, like, looking at her through glass.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And it's like, that's how it was. I'm pretty sure that was. I wasn't around then, but. Yeah. And that happened for a lot of people that did.

[B]

I think my grandpa passed like that.

[A]

That's sad. That's really sad.

[B]

It was a hard time for us, you know, a lot of guilt. You know, you're like, wow, man. That's all we knew at that point. Yeah, but you do feel a little guilty.

[A]

Then there were all the TikTok nurse dancing going on.

[B]

Why don't they just stick to cheating on their husbands and stay out of fucking?

[A]

Don't you be spreading these. These rumors about nurses doing their best.

[B]

My mother was a nurse.

[A]

They're wonderful people, working hard. Lame joke, but also, you know, the other big thing is, like, a lot of other very important screenings weren't done in hospitals because it was like, only, you know, the most important thing. It was mostly just treating Covid stuff. So people weren't getting in for their surgeries, you know, or their checkups in the same way. So there were a lot of other things going on that were a big problem. And all of that stuff could have been happening. And, you know, it's. What does this set us up for? That's the problem, right? This is why these conversations are so important. Having him back on, it's like, what have we learned? What's the conclusion? What happens when all of this goes on again when there's pandemic number two and it's about the same or slightly worse, right? Are we going to be sensible or are we going to be the same as we were before? Is it gonna be another power grab with berserk behavior?

[B]

Another largest transfer of wealth upwards in human history.

[A]

Oh, dude. All the billionaires went from, like, mostly teen level billions, I think like 17, 18 ish billions, maybe a 20 to into the hundreds, right? And now multiple hundreds.

[B]

Now, mom, pop.

[A]

This is in like six years. And yeah, something. I think it was like something like 70% of small business owners in California like, went out of business. It was a huge number. Yeah, huge number.

[B]

It was two. Two thirds of the business of the. Of the restaurants where I was living went out of business. Seemed.

[A]

It's heartbreaking.

[B]

Yeah. More than half.

[A]

Unreal. Yet at the same time, they were handing out those loans left and right. Something like 30, I think $30 billion of those loans in fraud went missing in California. And there's been basically no investigation into that because they almost can't even track it.

[B]

There's so much money going out and not enough clerks to take a look at it.

[A]

Right? And now they're like, let's just move on. We're like, just move on, huh? Like 30 billion. Maybe we should take a look at this, huh? Hire a couple of guys, get some.

[B]

Get Nick Shirley on it.

[A]

Have a look. I don't know. I don't think I kind of ever get over the shock of this in my lifetime.

[B]

It's still pretty, like, impacting.

[A]

What about the kids? Like the high. High school kids or like all the kids that miss school all that time? The, you know, the younger kids that were developing that, you know, should have had all that social time, they were just at home, you know, isolated, shut away. It's stuck watching TV or doing like, zoom classes.

[B]

I Think that damage is irrevocable. Irrevocable. The damage, it's staying. Sticking around. Damage, sticking around.

[A]

There's some damage in that.

[B]

Yeah. These kids these days, they don't. They're not outside doing kid things there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Seems like it's rippled. That's it down the line.

[A]

The damage is so bad that certain words can't even say.

[B]

I used to know those words, too.

[A]

Vaccines got me full vaccine.

[B]

I used to play the violin.

[A]

Yeah. I mean. And I. And that's the thing. It's like generations will kind of go by, and then we'll see, like, that aftershock. And because it's so spread out like that, it's like, it's hard to pin it to this thing. And people will be willing to not do that, too. They don't want to look at it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They want to just be like, all right, that happened. Forget about it. Let's move on. Nothing to see here. Instead of be like, yeah, we were. We. We fucked that up. Sorry. And I shouldn't have jumped on board. Whoops. Like, there's none of that.

[B]

I don't think I'll jump on board with any of those mandates ever again.

[A]

It does make me think what the pushback will be like. I mean, one thing that they really hit on and Malone said it, and, you know, I saw it in England is like, thank God we lived in America.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And it's so true. I mean, my girlfriend at the time when I lived in Santa Monica was in Paris, and she had to apply for a pass per day. That was for a few hours. A slot in the day for a few hours where she could go to the store and get essentials, you know, like, food. It wasn't like she could just go wandering around, so she had to go to the destination. There were, like, certain destinations she could go to, but it was only in these certain slots. Basically, the rest of the time she was just in this tiny French apartment in Paris.

[B]

So she'd have to go, like, buy her bait, long bread and cheeses, eat that on her own, of course. Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Yeah. You didn't get, like. At least we could, like, walk around in England. Same thing. There were times you didn't have to, like, apply for a pass, but if you were out at times, it was like you had to be going either, like, to work or be an essential worker or be going to, you know, the grocery store. And, you know, everything else was closed. Pubs closed. Like, they were very, very strict. It was much different. And at least we had a lot more freedoms here. And in the US Certain places had even more freedoms. I mean, California got pretty locked down for quite a while. But, you know, I ended up moving up to Bozeman, and it was a lot more open up here, thank goodness.

[B]

Yeah. And not more spaces here as well. So it's naturally more free.

[A]

Sure, sure. And it wasn't getting hit here with like, you know, pandemic level stuff. It just doesn't have the density.

[B]

Yeah. So to tear through a population.

[A]

Exactly. And, yeah, it just wasn't having the same kind of waves of things.

[B]

The best part about COVID for me was I could take alcoholic drinks to go.

[A]

Oh, yeah, there was a lot of that.

[B]

Just so I would just get pictures of margaritas in a Big Gulp cup and just tool around.

[A]

Oh, you got such a bitch.

[B]

Living the best pandemic dream. Hot springing.

[A]

With your pandemic money. How much were they giving you in Arizona?

[B]

Well, I was laid off, so I got unemployment, and I think it was like 700 bucks a week. Quite a bit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, that's not too bad.

[A]

In Cali, it was over 1000. Because the cost of living slightly higher.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, for most people I knew in Cali, it was the most consistent money that anyone had been making kind of ever. Because a lot of people I knew worked in bars and restaurants, so it's kind of their money's up and down, you know, depending on tips and all the rest of it. Now they had like an actual, like, exactly this much. So people were like, for the first time ever coming up. Well, they were. They were budgeting really well because they knew exactly how much was coming in. So they'd be like, oh, just spend this much. They. People were paying off, like, student loans with it and in debt.

[B]

And I got a bunch of dental work done. I got a couple gold teeth.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Some people were, like, enjoying it. It was almost like they were paying a lot of people off for complying with that behavior.

[B]

That's probably what it was, isn't it?

[A]

Really?

[B]

It was, how do we control this population?

[A]

We can control you by paying you

[B]

off, just telling you to stay home, and here's $1,000 a week.

[A]

But there were plenty of people that weren't getting that money.

[B]

Yeah, that's. You couldn't get that.

[A]

No. And then they, you know, and then you're forced not to work. You can't work anywhere. You can't get that money. Yeah, good luck.

[B]

And then I guess they also.

[A]

So imagine how, like, I was thinking About California and Gavin Newsom and everything. It's like, I had a beautiful apartment there. I had a life. I had things happening, right? And they were like, no, you can't do any stand up comedy. Also, we aren't gonna give you any money. And you can't get through to the unemployment place that gives you the money. Literally, I would call 15 times a day, every day for like four months. No line would get through. They were completely full.

[B]

Just slam with slammed.

[A]

It never went through to a human being. I never got through to him. I'd write them letters, letter after letter, just explaining, like, hello, I also got laid off like everyone else.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I at least get something so I can live?

[B]

And you couldn't even relax, walk two blocks to the beach.

[A]

You couldn't go on the beach.

[B]

Couldn't even go to the beach.

[A]

No. They filled in the skate park with sand. God, they were like, you can't skateboard outside, you dangerous person. Think of. Think of the old people.

[B]

Think of Grandma. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, Grandma on the skatepark at the beach in Venice. Of course. How dare I?

[B]

Tons of grannies out there.

[A]

So selfish of me to even think about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I won't forget it. I'm not gonna. And when Gavin Newsom runs, I'll be campaigning. And let me say, not for him, Whomever else, Whomever. Maybe I'll run.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

Let's do it.

[B]

Well, you were born in another country.

[A]

Shoot.

[B]

Well, so was Obama.

[A]

No, Pete. Oh, conspiracy.

[B]

Is that okay to say these days?

[A]

We can't say it.

[B]

Thought he's born in Kenya.

[A]

Edit it out, Edit it out. Let's jump over to the online reaction for this episode. Look, the supporters of this, like, whistleblower framing, validation of institutional distrust, Critics, though, misinformation platform all over again, though. There were a lot more supporters, really. And overall, you know, there was like a neutral listener end. And I think that really what that is is that's the. That's the old misinformation shelters that have kind of come over to the middle. They want to believe, but they're not. They're not ready.

[B]

So they still think it is misinformation.

[A]

They're still holding on, but they're more neutral now. They've got one ear open. They're like, yeah, you know what I think? I think it was bs. So they're coming that way. Overall episode rating ran through our AI system. High 8.5 out of 10. And I'll give it that. But I have a bit of a bias because a lot happened. A lot happened with this guy. This episode in the past and my experience through the whole thing. I mean, all of this was the reason Joe and I left la. I mean, it was all of this together.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know,

[B]

just a. What a time to be alive.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, look, the big takeaway Malone's episode, it really isn't about mRNA, it's about trust. Rogan keeps circling with the same question. What happens when institutions lose credibility faster than they communicate Uncertainty. Malone represents the insider critique archetype, and Rogan knows that archetype is compelling, whether listeners agree or disagree. That framing is why this episode has such reach. And that is true. That is why I recommend this for anybody that loves Rogan. It's very important. Check it out. It's fantastic.

[B]

Maybe even the original one back in 2019.

[A]

I may go back and listen to it to 2020. Yeah, I think I'm gonna go back and revisit it. Maybe we'll do a new another review on that one soon. A classic Rogan, a throwback would go back. Anyway, thank you all for listening. We appreciate you so much and we will talk to you next time. Later.

[B]

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