519 JRE Review of Bob Lazar

Summary

JRE Review Podcast—Episode 519: Review of Bob Lazar on Joe Rogan

Host: Adam Thorne
Guest Co-host: Pete
Air Date: April 7, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast dives into the return of Bob Lazar to the Joe Rogan Experience. With Lazar's original appearance being the most watched in JRE's history, Adam and Pete unpack the significance and enduring fascination with Lazar, government UFO disclosure, technological leaps, and the cultural impact of Lazar's claims. The hosts provide a lively mix of analysis, humor, and skepticism, discussing the newly released Bob Lazar documentary and reflecting on wider cultural and scientific implications.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bob Lazar’s Impact and Credibility

• Lazar’s Significance: Adam notes Bob Lazar’s first JRE episode was “literally the most watched episode of Joe Rogan ever on YouTube by far” (01:45). The anticipation around his return is palpable:

  “The release of this episode was the top comment on YouTube was, ‘I've never clicked anything so fast.’” — Adam (03:54)
  “Broke my mouse.” — Pete (04:05)

• Building Credibility: The hosts discuss how Lazar’s consistency and reluctance to speculate on UFOs beyond his experience enhances his credibility.

  “He doesn’t once talk about anything he discovered. He could easily be like, ‘Oh, yeah, while I was working on the base, I discovered this thing.’ He doesn't... [he says,] ‘we basically figured out nothing’... which is probably what they did.” — Adam (23:04–24:03)
  “That’s why Bob is credible, because he’s not jumping on every conspiracy after that. He's not, he knows what he saw, he really only likes to talk about that.” — Adam (30:26)

2. The Documentary and S4 Storytelling

• Documentary Quality: Adam describes the documentary as “really well done,” with high production value in the recreation of S4 and Lazar’s accounts, adding new layers to the familiar story (05:50–06:37).

• Verification Through Imagery:

  “He [director Luigi] put the film together and meticulously kind of recreated everything... flying over that site on Christmas Day... they were able to see the bay doors.” — Adam (20:17–21:11)

  “It backed up Lazar’s account.” — Pete (21:13)

• Lazar’s Reaction:

  “He said it’s déjà vu for him” seeing the recreation (22:02).
  “He started to remember some other elements... it kicked off some other memories.” (22:12)

3. UFO Disclosure, Distractions, and Government Mistrust

• UFO News as Distraction: Adam and Pete discuss the meta-conspiracy that recent UFO disclosures could serve as a distraction from current global or political crises:

  “Even within the UFO community now, there's a big... section... that's now starting to think that it's all just a distraction away from something else.” — Adam (02:50)

  “They're even suspicious of the thing that they've been waiting for, which is the disclosure.” — Adam (03:26)

• Public Conditioning & Stigma:

  “Governments all did a really good job of making us know right away that... you're either gonna choose to be an outcast... or say nothing” — Adam (29:17)
  “You get to be a loon or say nothing.” — Adam (29:21)

4. The Technical Side of Lazar’s Claims

• Variety of Crafts:

  “They had nine crafts, different kinds. All different shapes. Jelly mold one. A top hat one, you know, the sports model.” — Adam (07:41)

• Element 115 Discussion:

  “They, as far as they could tell, it's like that amount that they had in that triangle was like a fuel for, like, years in that ship.” — Adam (33:05)

  “Calling that out in the 80s and then they discovered it in the early 2000s... But, you know, remember too, this is still all anecdotal.” — Adam (43:01–43:59)

• Technological Influence Theory:

  “Good potential... advanced technologies have come from things that we have at least ideas that we've taken from things...from those ships.” — Adam (17:33)

  “The microchip thing... such a huge jump… you can almost infinitely zoom into a microchip and see different layers of intricacy.” — Pete (18:03)

5. Global Dimensions & Secrecy

• Other Countries’ Involvement:

  “He talked about... the Russians were there before he got there. And then some discovery was made and they kicked the Russians out.” — Adam (44:41)

  “I can imagine China’s... probably got some. And they have access to go get stuff from other places.” — Adam (45:12)

• Security & Isolation:

  “The metallurgy people couldn’t speak to the propulsion people...everyone was so separated, which ... makes a ton of sense.” — Adam (24:14)

6. Why Is the Lazar Story So Enduring?

• Cultural Anxiety and Generational Change:

  “Why did. Why is Bob Lazar's episode the most listened to...? It's because... our generation... we’ve gone through... Covid, 9/11, the housing crisis, AI, aliens, war...stuff is way... more advanced.” — Adam (36:30–37:53)

• Desire for Mystery and Truth:

  “Our parents and grandparents... would have thought it was crazy Demon. There were aliens. There were ships. There were reverse engineering programs happening and we now know about it. We're the generation that gets given that info.” — Adam (38:44)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Belief and Skepticism:

  “Fuck it, I believe him. Yeah, he did it. He was there. And now you're watching through it and... jaw open. Wow.” — Adam (06:38)

• On Human Progress:

  “It just is surprising that they've kind of left him alone. I wonder if it is because he went to the TV and talked to that news person and kind of got his story out and then they were like, ah, shit, we can't get him now.” — Adam (25:15)

• On Scientists’ Humility:

  “He doesn’t once talk about anything he discovered... In fact, if anything, he’s like, ‘yeah, we basically figured out nothing...’” — Adam (23:04)

• On Culture & the Simulation Hypothesis:

  “Imagine if everyone got to go to work and did a really good podcast, and then they had a ton of downloads because no one really knows who your downloads are...everyone's just in a squishy tank... tubes in our butt.” — Adam & Pete (49:13–49:34)

• Humorous Moment:

  “It's always back to tubes in their butt with you, Pete.” — Adam (49:34)

• On Bob Lazar’s Present Day:

  “He's well protected. He lives... up in Washington. He has a big old ranch up in the mountains or something. ... Seems lovely. She must be into the science.” — Adam (41:48–42:19)

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Timestamped Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic / Quote | |-----------|--------------| | 01:45 | "His first appearance was literally the most watched episode..." | | 05:50–06:37 | Praise for the new Bob Lazar documentary production value | | 08:17–09:42 | Lazar’s propulsion work, drive systems, and experiment details | | 13:24–14:38 | Adam questions why, if UFO tech is real, it’s not used in wars | | 18:03–18:29 | Microchip innovation and speculation about reverse engineering | | 20:17–21:16 | Revealing S4 bay doors via aerial imagery to support Lazar’s story | | 22:12 | Memory recall: recreation helps Lazar remember more details | | 24:14 | Compartmentalization in secret projects | | 29:16–29:21 | Social stigma: “You get to be a loon or say nothing.” | | 30:26–30:39 | Bob Lazar’s reluctance to chase other UFO conspiracies | | 33:05 | Element 115 and its use as fuel in crafts | | 36:30–37:53 | Why UFO stories especially resonate with today’s generation | | 42:10 | Bob Lazar’s current life, home, and family | | 49:34 | “Tubes in our butt” simulation joke |

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Tone & Style

The episode embodies the casual, irreverent, and skeptical-yet-curious spirit typical of JRE Review. Adam and Pete mix humor and pop culture references (Matrix, “tubes in the butt”), skepticism, and genuine wonder while remaining grounded in the broader context of UFO lore and scientific reality. They echo Rogan’s own open-minded, “just asking questions” posture, making the summary lively for Rogan fans and beyond.

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Summary Takeaways

• Adam and Pete remain fascinated by Lazar’s story, with both believing his consistency and demeanor bolster his credibility while recognizing the limits of anecdotal evidence.
• They appreciate the new documentary’s reconstruction of S4 and note how even skeptical viewers may find themselves convinced—or at least awestruck—by the convergence of Lazar’s particulars and independent research (like aerial photography).
• The episode probes the possible motives behind current government UFO disclosures, broader social conditioning to dismiss UFO witnesses, and the mind-bending technological implications if reverse engineering did occur.
• Ultimately, the hosts acknowledge the uneasy feeling of living in an era where mysteries such as UFOs, AI, and technological leaps are more present and real than ever for their generation, leading to both excitement and existential anxiety.
• Closing on humor, they speculate about Bob Lazar’s present-day quiet life and indulge in thought experiments about living in a simulation—a fitting end to a discursive, thought-provoking JRE Review.

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Final Word:

“If you haven’t watched the documentary, go out and buy it because it’s only 20 bucks, and we should support Bob and the whole UFO thing because it’s exciting times and it was really cool to watch.”
— Adam (50:04)

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This episode is a rich, fun, and critical companion for any Rogan fan revisiting the Bob Lazar UFO saga.

Transcript

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[Adam Thorne]

You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast and pass them on to you. Perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's walking Dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created now with your hosts, Adam Thorne might either be the worst podcast or the best one. One go. Enjoy the show. Hey, guys. And welcome to another episode of the JRE Review. This one is a big one. The return of Bob Lazar. Holy heck.

[Pete]

The king of Joe Rogan. Guess.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I mean, really, his first appearance was literally the most watched episode of Joe rogan ever on YouTube by far.

[Pete]

I think he opened with that. Yeah, he knows Lazar, like, made him almost.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I mean, it's. Rogan was waiting for this one. He was excited.

[Pete]

It's still something that the we could talk about that doesn't, like, make people. Ooh, not a touchy subject. Theo's was dicey, dicey. And this one was one of the old style ones.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. And yet still some politics and controversy about Iran made its way in there. I mean, the world is so nuts right now. We are literally at this point. It's 5pm we're waiting in mountain time. Waiting one hour for Trump to blow up Iran. Nowhere around it. Geez, what a time to do a podcast.

[Pete]

Can I write a letter to my Congress, Congressman?

[Adam Thorne]

No, Pete, we're podcasting. We don't have time. You're gonna have to wait.

[Pete]

Oh, that guy that broke that Marine's arm. That's.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, to that guy. Yeah. You can't read. It's. It's. It's wild. But, you know, and that kind of, like, also brings it back to the whole. Why is all this UFO stuff coming out, too? Because even within the UFO community now, there's a big, you know, section of that community that's now starting to think that it's all just a distraction away from something else.

[Pete]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, they've all been waiting for it for all these years, but now that the government's kind of jumping on board with it and buying up domains like alien.org it's like, because they've spent so long being suspicious, they're even suspicious of the thing that they've been waiting for, which is the disclosure.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Which I love about it.

[Pete]

We're not gonna fall for too much stuff anymore.

[Adam Thorne]

No.

[Pete]

Well, we can. We can get tricked. But they ruined us.

[Adam Thorne]

They've ruined it.

[Pete]

I'm ruined.

[Adam Thorne]

The. One of the best parts of the release of this episode was the top comment on YouTube was, I've never clicked so fu. Never clicked anything so fast.

[Pete]

Broke my mouse.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Broke my fingers. Clicking away I go. It's. It's so true, though. I mean, I, I, I'm always keeping up to date with my Rogan. Watching and listening, of course, because I'm reviewing. Yeah. But I think the same thing. It popped up, and I stopped everything that I was doing and was like, well, clearly I have to watch this. Right?

[Pete]

You pushed your daughter to the ground and you said, I'm busy.

[Adam Thorne]

Not now.

[Pete]

The daughter's crying for some reason.

[Adam Thorne]

You can eat later and straight over to it.

[Pete]

Aliens.

[Adam Thorne]

And it was. It was a little like that. And, yeah, boy, was I excited. Do you. You haven't watched the documentary yet, though.

[Pete]

Not yet.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, well, I bought it.

[Pete]

Oh, you did?

[Adam Thorne]

So I knew it was worth paying the extra. Well, it was 10 bucks to rent it, 20 to buy.

[Pete]

Where?

[Adam Thorne]

And I'm like, Amazon. So I knew that I was gonna watch it more than once. So already buy it.

[Pete]

Yeah, I might have to come over and watch yourself.

[Adam Thorne]

And I figured you'd probably watch it, so. But what. I'll tell you what is really cool about it. If you're bought in to the whole bubbler's our thing, which you know, so many people are now anyone interested in are. So here's the thing. When you what it's not like the documentary is this mind blowing. Like we've all heard the story. There's nothing in it that is just gonna be like, oh my God. I mean, I think the age of disclosure was honestly kind of like more impactful in that sense. But this is why S4 is so good. I think it's because now 1. The recreation of everything is. Is spot on. It's really. Well, I'm saying it like I was there, I'm not, I wasn't.

[Pete]

But what's the boss.

[Adam Thorne]

It's really well done, right. They really kind of take you back to what you could imagine. They make it look good. Everything's crisp and clean. They make Bob look really young. You know, they just fit all these pieces. And also they, from the story that's been told so many times, they fit all those elements in really nicely. Right. It's not some, you know, really janky pulled together. You know, recreation, just Hollywood Marvel movie style. Well, you know how sometimes, you know, the murder mystery shows, they do like the recreation section and it's just like they're doing their best, but the budget isn't that. This is like the budget was big.

[Pete]

Got it.

[Adam Thorne]

They got plenty of money for it and they do a great job. They put everything into it. But not only that, you're watching it. And now I believe him more than ever because it just seems so much credibility, especially with all the rest of the disclosure stuff. So all the pieces that were missing before that, I was like, yeah, but maybe. And maybe an okay, but what if, but maybe. That seems so far fetched now. I'm just like, all right, I'm just gonna take this at face value. Too much shit's lining up. How would he have known about the hangar doors in S4 at the location and these other things? Like, fuck it, I believe him. Yeah, he did it. He was there. And now you're watching through it and it's like the whole time I'm like, jaw open. Wow. This place existed. Still exists. Existed in the 80s.

[Pete]

Yeah. And before that probably.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. For many years before that. They've been working on this stuff maybe for 30 plus years in there and had teams and teams of people doing it. And they had nine crafts, different kinds. Yep. All different shapes. Jelly mold one. A top hat one, you know, the sports model.

[Pete]

Model. That's what I mostly know about.

[Adam Thorne]

Crazy stuff. They could go inside it, operate them. They didn't know exactly how they worked, but they know how to kind of turn them on. So the fuck around with them.

[Pete]

His job was propulsions, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

So he was working on how they move right through our atmosphere, through any atmosphere, through dimensions, potentially.

[Adam Thorne]

It just how it powers.

[Pete]

Yeah, yeah. And it's just blows my mind that it's.

[Adam Thorne]

And they figured out that there was two drive things called like Omega and some other thing. One is like zipping around, you know, quickly on this planet or around the Earth. And another one is literally hopping through the galaxy. Big jumps, incredible.

[Pete]

Like. Like Star Trek. Mm. Like light drive.

[Adam Thorne]

And he thinks that's why they remove some big pieces from the ship so it couldn't make those jumps.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

That was his theory. They were like we. They took out some bits, they being the other scientists.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, because they had one in a room that he was working on that they were doing experiments on. They'd cut it out of the ship. And his thought was, oh, now it can't do like the big jumps because it. Pieces of it were missing. But it could do the other short flights.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

And they must have figured out that it wouldn't blow up if they remove that. And it could still operate.

[Pete]

So maybe a yokel could get in there, one of us could fly it around potentially.

[Adam Thorne]

He saw it flying around.

[Pete]

So a human fluid.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes.

[Pete]

Not a robot or not a remote control?

[Adam Thorne]

No. They were communicating with somebody with a radio that was inside the ship.

[Pete]

Sporty model.

[Adam Thorne]

And somehow operating it and flying it around. Wow.

[Pete]

So maybe some of the sightings we've seen in our military has seen is that ship, one of those ships zipping around?

[Adam Thorne]

Sounds like it.

[Pete]

So that builds credibility for me because we've over Mexico, over Phoenix. They have all these weird dark triangles that hover. The Phoenix lights the Tic Tac. And his story corroborates all that for me.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Pete]

It's like, well, we see him out and we listen to this guy talk about it. This is.

[Adam Thorne]

It's probably true, but that's such a weird disconnect for me that I can't put together either. Like right now I'm saying, well, now we're down to 45 minutes. Oh, geez, 45 minutes for Iran. And we're going in with. We're going in with, you know, F fighters and those sorts of things to blow up the bridges and the power grid. Most banks are still hitting you with

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[Adam Thorne]

and I'm like but we have fucking UFOs. Like.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What are they doing then? Does someone else own those?

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Do we just not get them out? Are we keeping them for a special day?

[Pete]

Maybe.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, we use them for other stuff we don't talk about. Like, it's almost like, you know, we're still going to war with bows and arrows just for show, but secretly we have space travel.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, what.

[Pete]

Okay, that does bring a little bit of a. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What? Why? Why is. There's. What is happening there? But anyway, we're watching this documentary thing, this, you know, play out in front of us. He's doing, you know, showing these experiments, these things all happening. Talking about getting on and off the base to S4 and how secretive it all is. Smuggling his friends onto the base to watch the flights. I think it was like on a Wednesday. You know, it's a good day. Wednesday.

[Pete]

Casual Wednesday to choose Hawaiian T shirt Wednesday.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, no, they knew that that was when the freeways they would close by the least busy. So that's when they would do their flights.

[Pete]

Okay. And

[Adam Thorne]

you know, he's showing his friends. His friends saw it. This is things zipping around in Nevada.

[Pete]

Nevada. Yeah. So like probably northwest of Las Vegas.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Pete]

Somewhere up that.

[Adam Thorne]

Wherever the Area 50 one thing is because they would fly out of the Las Vegas airport.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

And you know, this whole time I'm watching this and I'm just like, okay, so we have it. Some of these crafts were, as far as he knows, they're like archeological discoveries.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

So they. They've been here a long time. Which is even more nutty.

[Pete]

That's nuts to think about it.

[Adam Thorne]

But like, in a way, why not? Why do. Why do we have. Had to have found them now? Yeah, like they're already way more advanced than us. They could have been way more advanced than us thousands of years ago too. Doesn't really matter when they were.

[Pete]

Makes sense that they would be. Can even considering we have cave paintings with UFOs on them.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Renaissance. Renaissance pictures.

[Adam Thorne]

They could have crashed back then.

[Pete]

Yeah. Or been been deposited like an offering.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Some people think they were just left. They were gifts.

[Adam Thorne]

Figure this out.

[Pete]

Stone Age wanks.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I mean, if the Egyptians found one, they're gonna not get very far with it.

[Pete]

Not the new ones, but the old ones. Maybe.

[Adam Thorne]

Maybe that's how they did those pyramid things. Built them.

[Pete]

Okay. Yeah. That ties back into our Italian scientist.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they. They talked about him a little bit and what was going on down there. And you know, in the Labyrinth, the attack. And what's. What's buried beneath the big metal object that's down there.

[Pete]

Giant metal object.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Why. Why has nobody gone down there and dug that thing up?

[Pete]

We got a lot of questions.

[Adam Thorne]

Get on it.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Get your tools out.

[Pete]

Get your spades, as you call them.

[Adam Thorne]

Get your. Yeah. Get down there with your spanners, your spade, your spades, and figure it out. But, I mean, that's the whole thing. That's. That's the point of the documentary. That's just kind of like mind blowing as you're watching. It's like that place exists. They have those things. They're real. They don't know where they come from. And it just. All those bigger questions just came. Like, there's whole civilizations of other entities that made them over millennia that are super advanced, that we don't know what they want, where they're from, what they're doing, how they built that stuff, and they just have it.

[Pete]

Maybe they're.

[Adam Thorne]

And it also brings up that, realistically, there's a good potential, since we were reverse engineering then and we were reverse engineering it before that, that a good chunk of our advanced technologies have come from things that we have at least ideas that we've taken from things that we found from those ships. So we as a human race can't even give ourselves credit for all the cool stuff we've invented.

[Pete]

I know we've talked about it before, but the microchip thing, the innovation of microchips was such a huge jump from original computers using punch cards to microchips, which are. You can almost infinitely zoom into a microchip and see different layers of intricacy.

[Adam Thorne]

Have you ever seen how small a transistor is? Have you ever seen the thing on a transistor? It's like as small as a virus.

[Pete]

My gosh.

[Adam Thorne]

And the phones have, like, hundreds of thousands of them. In all electronic things do.

[Pete]

It's. This has to be reversed.

[Adam Thorne]

It's super, super tiny.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And it's like, wait a minute. We build this? You're telling me we figured this out? Like, I like to give us a lot of credit for stuff. Like, humans are very smart. Not me.

[Pete]

No. Well, not us.

[Adam Thorne]

Some of them.

[Pete]

And Asians.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, look, we're smart enough to replicate some things that we've seen.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

That after looking at some stuff that maybe some other entities made, and we studied it long enough, we were able to copy it.

[Pete]

I think that even the tools.

[Adam Thorne]

Maybe we didn't make it.

[Pete]

Yeah. The tools used to evaluate these crazy technologies are in of themselves, huge advancements. And maybe that has spurred us further, you know, just like the ability to make a microscope with tools that you can manipulate something that small is a crazy advancement.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes.

[Pete]

I'm sure that that came from that.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Pete]

That innovate that need for necessity.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, we definitely invented stuff.

[Pete]

So I'm not saying I can see us moving bricks around. Big, heavy bricks.

[Adam Thorne]

We're more lumberers.

[Pete]

I could see that. I cannot see banging away, just inventing a hundreds of layers. Microchip that's half a millimeter thick. Mm. It's ridiculous.

[Adam Thorne]

It's. Jesus.

[Pete]

Oh, aliens.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, it's easy, but, yeah. Absolutely incredible. And there you go. Yeah. So what's aliens?

[Pete]

Who's this Luigi guy?

[Adam Thorne]

So he put the film together and meticulously kind of recreated everything and all the way down to even finding the location. It's kind of how they, you know, towards the end of the conversation, they talked about the mapping and how, you know, somebody flew over that site on Christmas Day. Somehow they got some permission, and with, like, a decent camera, took tons and tons of pictures around S4. And after they went back in and kind of messed with the contrast and like, had some, like, photo editors, like, really go back and, like, look at all these images, which were, like, better than any of the images on Google Maps or any other types of maps that they could have got a hold of. They were able to see the bay

[Pete]

doors, so that kind of.

[Adam Thorne]

Which is where backs were hidden.

[Pete]

It backed up Lazar's account.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Unless there's some other garage in the side of a mountain for some reason. That pretty good. Amazing coincidence.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But, yeah, he meticulously put together the whole imagery and models and all the rest of it from Bob's account and just kind of rebuilt this whole story over a long period of time and has just become, like, absolutely obsessed with it and wanted to make it as accurate as possible. I mean, which is really cool because, you know, I mean, we're never gonna get to see, like, a propulsion system that is made by aliens. But, like, that's pretty close.

[Pete]

And Bob says it's exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

He said it's deja vu for him.

[Pete]

I wonder if this is now what he's going to be remembering. Like, if you remember this instead of his previous memories, now he's got this.

[Adam Thorne]

They do say that you kind of rewrite your memories when. But it should help that if you recall them very accurately and then reconstruct it accurately, then you're rewriting a very accurate image. Of it. He even talks on the episode of once, kind of the whole structure of the base was put together. He started to remember some other elements because it, like, kicked off some other memories. He was like, oh, there was something here, and then there was some other piece. It, like, came back to him after all that time.

[Pete]

So that's great.

[Adam Thorne]

Wild.

[Pete]

He's a national treasure. Mm.

[Adam Thorne]

Where, you know, where do you go from? From that really, as far as far

[Pete]

as he's concerned or us.

[Adam Thorne]

What's. What I really like about it, too, is he doesn't once talk about anything he discovered. So as a scientist that is proud of his knowledge of science, he's obviously not a dummy. You know, he put that jetpack on that car. He's had legit science jobs. He's obsessed with all of this stuff. And since no one can corroborate any of his story, he could easily be like, oh, yeah, while I was working on the base, I discovered this thing. Or like, he doesn't once say anything he figured out. In fact, if anything, he's like, yeah, we basically figured out nothing. And nobody really figured anything out. It was almost like for the entire six months that they went into work, they just looked at things and pushed on stuff and turns things like. Which is probably what they did. If they. If it was that complicated, I wouldn't

[Pete]

want to just accidentally start it up and shoot it through the ceiling.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. But what I'm saying is he does. You know, he's not kind of trying to take credit for anything. Right.

[Pete]

I guess the biggest reason for not really having too many advancements when he. While he was there is because they couldn't work together.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly. And he said that's been happening for years over there. Like, the metallurgy people couldn't speak to the propulsion people and because everyone was so separated, you know, which from a security standpoint, makes a ton of sense.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Because if you get someone like Bob who eventually is willing to talk about the whole story, you can't have him have as much of a complete picture is. Would be possible.

[Pete]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

So they had to do it like this. I mean, kind of lucky that only one person ever did speak out. And it's kind of amazing they didn't kill Bob.

[Pete]

Yeah. I wonder if there has been some deaths associated with the. These crews.

[Adam Thorne]

Dude, if it was Russia, they would have killed Bob.

[Pete]

Totally.

[Adam Thorne]

They're killing. They're killing for less.

[Pete]

I mean, I would we kill for less. Hillary Clinton killed for less.

[Adam Thorne]

Allegedly. But it's. Yeah. It just is surprising that They've kind of left him alone. I wonder if it is because he went to the TV and talked to that news person and kind of got his story out and then they were like, ah, shit, we can't get him now cuz it'd be too obvious.

[Pete]

Uh, they will do it. They think we're such idiots that they'll just fake it. Fake a suicide with two shotgun blasts to the head.

[Adam Thorne]

That's it. Pull his pants down, lube him up and just hang him from a tree

[Pete]

he carried into himself.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Poor guy.

[Adam Thorne]

And then Carrigan himself. Is that a Carradine? Yeah. Is that what they call it these days? Yeah, they just make him look like a big old perv.

[Pete]

Maybe he's alive because he has less credibility.

[Adam Thorne]

Then I think that they, they kind of deleted him from like the universities and the.

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[Adam Thorne]

And I think that they assumed that his story would go nowhere because nobody could back him up.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay. And I think that was the idea

[Pete]

for so long and I don't think it carried.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, he came out in the 80s with this story originally.

[Pete]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't. I think it was just in like the fringe UFO community that people were excited about Bob and, you know, it didn't pick up massive steam until much later, so they probably would just. He just wasn't hugely on everyone's radar.

[Pete]

And also it was such a fringe thing that any mention of it would immediately discount everything that you say.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, because they made everything UFO wacky.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, I knew people back in England when I was growing up. I was like, I remember being like 9 or 10, and we knew somebody in our village that was like the older guy that was always swore that he saw these UFOs. And, you know, we didn't live that far from like, we were in the west country, so like kind of near Stonehenge area. And it was actually the west countries where a lot of those crop circles first started coming up and you know, and even some of the really meticulous, complex ones that would be way too difficult for one person to do. Or even a group of people in a night. Oh, yeah. And again, easily dismissed because there was that team of two farmers that could fold, you know, three circles with some boards. But then when there was like the 900 circle one.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And nobody questions.

[Pete]

Mathematically perfect. Yeah, there's hundreds that are mathematically perfect

[Adam Thorne]

in some sort of advanced code. And it's like, what, there's been people

[Pete]

that study those things and have discovered new theorems, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

And New equations.

[Adam Thorne]

And again, it just gets. Just gets.

[Pete]

Like, I saw one recently about a guy that made them into 3D models. And they look like spacecrafts. They're incredible.

[Adam Thorne]

Right. And you got to wonder, maybe they're a little.

[Pete]

That's what fairies were back in the day. You know, people just like, oh, you know, the fairies did that. It's a great way to just describe something. You have no idea what's happening.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, the guy in the village was so easily dismissed. It's just, like, wacko.

[Pete]

He's a bit of a drinker.

[Adam Thorne]

And it wasn't like he was the only one that ever saw anything flying around the sky, but you immediately just would be put in that category. So a lot of people that would see things would be like, oh, nothing.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It was like, we were already trained. The governments all did a really good job of making us know right away that, look, you got a choice here. You're either gonna choose to be an outcast. Like, they're definitely not positively encouraging us to say we saw anything in the sky.

[Pete]

Exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

So you get to be a loon or say nothing.

[Pete]

You can ignore it.

[Adam Thorne]

What's your choice?

[Pete]

Exactly. There's so many Psyops on both sides of every aisle that we don't know what's true anymore. We're so easy. Discountable. We can just be discredited in a minute.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

They could download stuff to our computers that make us criminals. And. Oh, we're not going to listen to that guy. You see what they found on his computer?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Immediately you're done. So. Yep.

[Pete]

And then I wonder what Bob thinks about crop circles.

[Adam Thorne]

They didn't bring him up. Yeah, he's. He's not really like, a UFO fan or a. Yeah, they. Obviously. People are sending him things all the time. He talked about it. He's like, what do you think of this? Like, a fan, you know, some. Some UFO guy will send him, and. And he'd be like, I don't know. Maybe that was Venus or Mercury that you saw. And then they just like, oh, they got the Bob. You know, but.

[Pete]

Got him.

[Adam Thorne]

But that's the thing. And Joe says it a bunch. That's why Bob is credible, because he's not jumping on every conspiracy after that. He's not. He knows what he saw. He really only likes to talk about that.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And he doesn't even like to jump into theories about what anything is.

[Pete]

Yeah. Even the stuff he saw.

[Adam Thorne]

He's just like, okay, I know what it did. I guess a bit about how it could work, but we really don't know. And that's kind of it. I mean, even to the point where they were calling the propulsion device a gravitation machine. He's like, but gravity doesn't really work like that. If anything, it's like anti gravity. But you know, the force, it doesn't push back against the, the device creating that force. We also don't know how anything connects. There doesn't seem to be communication between any of the other three pieces.

[Pete]

He's, he was saying something about the, the metal or the, the material used on the, on the ships, that they're what not, they're not magnetic, they're static. It's like not a magnet. It's like has, I guess what is a static. An opposite charge.

[Adam Thorne]

It's a charge of some kind.

[Pete]

So maybe they use, they use that to slide through the ionosphere or the magnetics of the universe because it has to have some sort of propulsion that's not shoving it because you'll get squished by the G force.

[Adam Thorne]

But yeah, it's like a bending space time thing. Right. Which is something that we know gravity does. Like wormholes do it. According to the math.

[Pete]

Black holes do it, massive planets do it. Mm.

[Adam Thorne]

So that's a thing. So somehow they figured out how to do this in like a small area and they use that element 115 which was discovered. Right.

[Pete]

They've.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, so a certain isotope of it can be created in like the Large Hadron Collider at like minuscule amounts. Like the tiniest, tiniest proportion, enough for us to do like a bunch of calculations on it. Then it disappears.

[Pete]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

So no, we don't have like a stable amount. We definitely don't have, you know, half a kilogram of it to do anything with it. And in it they, as far as they could tell, it's like that amount that they had in that triangle was like a fuel for like years in that ship.

[Pete]

Had it?

[Adam Thorne]

Uh huh.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Pete]

Is that how. So they. Did they find it there first? Is that the speculation? And then the Hadron Collider was also recognized it there.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. They found it on the alien ship first.

[Pete]

Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

A stable version of it and quite

[Pete]

a lot of it. Wow.

[Adam Thorne]

And then it was theorized on the periodic table because all the elements could be guessed. We just don't know what their properties are. We know what they would weigh. So before we discovered it, because of the order of the periodic table, it's just the order of weight.

[Pete]

They were like, there's one here.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. There would be 115, 116, 117. That's just the molecular mass. It's the weight of it.

[Pete]

Gotcha.

[Adam Thorne]

So before it's discovered, meaning created under massive amounts of pressure and power, which is after a point, can only be done in the hedgeron collider because it's creating like, you know, forces equivalent to what you would have, you know, during a supernova or some massive, you know, star equivalent explosion. Then it can make a bunch of unusual elements or tiny fraction or particles of them. And. But it's making the isotopes, like the very radioactive versions of it, the decompose very quickly. They just shattered and nothing. But they exist long enough for us to do some math with them. And we're like, oh, yeah, it does this. Like there's an element on there called, I think, francium, which is one of the only other liquid metals. Or it would be a liquid metal at room temperature, like mercury. But again, we've never made enough of it to have it be liquid metal. We've made a tiny fraction of an amount that, again, decomposed. But if we had enough of it, based on the properties that it displayed when we did calculations on it at room temperature, it would be technically classified a metal and it would be liquid if it was stable.

[Pete]

I see.

[Adam Thorne]

Again, it's not so. But it's on the periodic table. It's the thing. And eventually, who knows, maybe we figure out a way to make more of this stuff. Or maybe they've already figured it out, you know, somewhere.

[Pete]

Or maybe that's one of the break. The, you know, the halting factors in using these crafts that we probably have is there was. Where's the fuel kind of come from. Mm.

[Adam Thorne]

They said. He said that they had more of it, though.

[Pete]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, they had a bunch of it. So they were like trying to, I guess, cut more of it into that shape. So they managed to find more of it.

[Pete]

And you'd think that they want to get down to that one underneath Egypt in the labyrinth eventually. That's, like, the only place you're going to find it is in these downed crafts.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, you'd think America would, like, put more resources into that than blowing up Iran in 21 minutes. Countdown. I should stop saying that. This is ruining this podcast. This is making this unfun and not timely at all.

[Pete]

I'm sad about it.

[Adam Thorne]

No, it's making it timely, but unfun.

[Pete]

Yeah, there we go.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. Yeah, not good. Not good. But I mean, we were saying this before the Pod. Right. Why is all this so interesting? Why did. Why is Bob Lazar's episode the most listened to, most watched ever on the most listened to and consumed show of all time?

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And it's because you know what I was saying, our parents when they were our age, right. In their 40s, were probably got to this point where they're like oh shit, we're like proper adults now. You know. Not saying that they're starting to feel old, but they were starting to feel a bit older. Knees are creaking back starting to hurt. That you're not young.

[Pete]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

You're starting to make decisions like yeah, we're not hanging out the bar anymore.

[Pete]

We got kids. Not gonna jump off that.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly. Jumping off that. We gotta think, you know, you're in the shower, you turn your head real quick and your neck aches for a week. Like things are changing, you know. And this is when were they with turning 40, like early 90s.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like that was that time. Right. So it was different than their parents. Like there was more technology, computers were popping up. Tech was starting to happen. But it wasn't a ton different than what their parents experienced in the 50s. I mean there was some more advancements. Got microwaves now.

[Pete]

Yeah. My grandpa lived in a mud hut when he was born in New Mexico.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. So some things have changed for sure. But people everyone's still listening to record players. But now it's our generation and things that we're talking post Covid. We've gone through that wackiness. We've gone through the 911 stuff. We've gone through the housing crisis. We most people can't even buy a house anymore. That's a big change for everybody. We've got frickin aliens war every basically existing every year there's a war stuff is way just even the. Oh and AI. Forget that AI. Throw that out. That's like we're the beginning of this. But it's already looking over the horizon to what the fuck is that gonna do?

[Pete]

Scary stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

And. And now people are very seriously just going oh, this whole time. The whole time. For our parents and grandparents and they didn't even know about it and would have thought it was crazy Demon. There were aliens.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

There were ships. There were reverse engineering programs happening and we now know about it. We're the generation that gets given that info. We didn't ask for this.

[Pete]

Dude, I already can't sleep at night. I'm gonna have a hard time.

[Adam Thorne]

The matrix came out, blew my mind and Then it just.

[Pete]

It's all true.

[Adam Thorne]

It just started to go. Go wacky in that direction.

[Pete]

I want to be like Cypher and go, put me back in.

[Adam Thorne]

Put me back in. Eat that steak.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I want to remember nothing. Nothing. You understand? Yeah, for sure. That's why I like those little comic skits that are just spoofs where it's Morpheus offering the pill and Neo immediately just takes the one that hasn't forget. He's like, no, no, no, no. You're not understanding what I'm saying. You gotta. You want to wake up. He's like, nah, nah, nah.

[Pete]

What, you took both pills?

[Adam Thorne]

Just trippin.

[Pete]

Yeah, that's the funny one.

[Adam Thorne]

I like it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't like.

[Pete]

It's not fair.

[Adam Thorne]

It seems unfair to have all this stuff.

[Pete]

My grandpa was a grandpa at like 45.

[Adam Thorne]

Was he really?

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, times were different.

[Pete]

Times were different.

[Adam Thorne]

That's sack of potatoes and four kids. So you got.

[Pete]

And he lived really old. He seemed like he had it together.

[Adam Thorne]

Strong. His dad didn't know anything about the aliens. They were happening the whole time.

[Pete]

He heard a radio for the first time and would never come back to that house because he thought it was the devil on the air.

[Adam Thorne]

Really?

[Pete]

Yeah. There's a story, a family story about his dad going and hearing something squawking from the living room. And it's like, no, that's a Satan house. It's not for me.

[Adam Thorne]

Wow. So he was dumb then.

[Pete]

Yeah. I don't know. He might have had the right idea.

[Adam Thorne]

Just kidding. God bless him. God bless him. He knew where it was going.

[Pete]

Great Grandpa James.

[Adam Thorne]

AI.

[Pete]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

AI. That's what he knew.

[Pete]

Slippery slope, y'.

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[Adam Thorne]

He goes, starts with radio. Before you know it, we chat bots

[Pete]

that you want to chat.

[Adam Thorne]

Mary sex bots. Stealing your wallet, your bitcoins. Yep. Oh, that's another thing. Fricking cryptos.

[Pete]

Crypto.

[Adam Thorne]

Parents didn't have to deal with that stuff.

[Pete]

What's wrong with gold, you know, weighing it in your hand, like you're saying, that's it. You don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

Like sack of gold. Like a pirate.

[Pete]

You're just buying stuff, plunk it on the table, spit in your hand, shake their hand. That's a done deal. Stab them in the alley, take a

[Adam Thorne]

gold path like the good old days. Yep. It can't be like that anymore, I'm afraid.

[Pete]

Well, I hope Bob is going to be okay.

[Adam Thorne]

I think at this point, no one's coming for Bob. No.

[Pete]

Okay. He's.

[Adam Thorne]

He's well protected. He lives. Where did he live? Up in Washington. He has like a big old ranch up in the mountains or something.

[Pete]

Good for him.

[Adam Thorne]

With his like, Filipino wife. No, he's got pretty good looking. Pretty good looking wife. She shows up in the documentary. I was like, good for Bob.

[Pete]

Golly Bob. Is that what nerds get?

[Adam Thorne]

He's got. He's done all right. He's probably not, you know, she seems lovely. Seems lovely. She must be into the science.

[Pete]

She's like Bob. Really? The science stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

Like a horse ranch and he's got his whole lab. He's like sat in his lab. Is he still being a nerd?

[Pete]

Is he doing stuff?

[Adam Thorne]

Still doing science stuff? Dude, he loves it. That's Bob's thing.

[Pete]

God, I'd like to get an invite up to that place.

[Adam Thorne]

He's still smuggling some. Some element 115 up there somewhere.

[Pete]

Guaranteed zipping around.

[Adam Thorne]

I bet he's doing some tests on it. I got a secret test.

[Pete]

I think you could cover a human in that. It would look just like the Silver Surfer. Maybe it's copper. It's copper.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Who is the element 115? Oh, it's coppery looking.

[Pete]

Oh, okay. So Copper Surfer.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, the Copper Surfer.

[Pete]

They had one thing wrong.

[Adam Thorne]

Close. Yep. But I mean, look, it just the fact that he was calling that out in the 80s and then they discovered it in like the early 2000s. I mean, look, they were always going to discover that element. I don't really know what connects, you know, I don't know if their discovery of that element connects his description of it to the element that we have discovered. I think that they reference something to it having some particular properties that could align, but I don't really know like that other than naming it the same thing. I don't know if that's like super conclusive in that direction. But, you know, remember too, this is still all anecdotal.

[Pete]

Right, Right.

[Adam Thorne]

It's not like he left with. With a bunch of evidence.

[Pete]

Exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, if he really. If he just had a piece of. 115. Maybe he does. Maybe one day he does show up to some lab with it. But that also could be the nail in the coffin for him because he's probably not supposed to have that.

[Pete]

Yeah, I think he's played by most of the rules. One of his saving graces. Yeah, like, he didn't take any out, doesn't name names. Except for his lab partner Barry.

[Adam Thorne]

I think so.

[Pete]

Something like that. Bob, couple of Bobs.

[Adam Thorne]

They were all just Bob, Bob, 1 Bob 3.

[Pete]

I wonder if other countries have these programs.

[Adam Thorne]

China, no doubt. Well, he talked about the hearing about the Russians were there before he got there. And then some discovery was made and they kicked the Russians out. So they figured out something cool. But I think that they probably been locked for a while with no forward movement movement. So they brought some Russians in to kind of collab because, you know, they were stuck and they needed to figure something out and probably also wanted to know what the Russians knew.

[Pete]

Gotcha.

[Adam Thorne]

Because they knew that if one country was getting too far ahead, they were in trouble. And. Yeah. So I think the Russians got some. Maybe many countries have some. I can imagine China's a huge area.

[Pete]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Geographically. So they've probably got some. And they have access to go get stuff from other places.

[Pete]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

So they're probably zipping around, picking up artifacts.

[Pete]

They have a huge influence over there. And Brazil has a huge number of sightings and landings and interactions with creatures or aliens.

[Adam Thorne]

It was supposedly we went down and grabbed some stuff from down there.

[Pete]

Got their stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay. Yeah, we got some. Some creatures from down there once in the 90s.

[Pete]

1941, Roswell, New Mexico.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep. That's pretty lucky for us right there.

[Pete]

And I think a lot of this stuff happens in the southwest of the United States. A lot of these, because there's huge expanses of desert that you can just make a base and no one's ever gonna know it's there. That's why it's. I mean, so New Mexico has. In Los Alamos Labs. Is there a lot of innovation, reverse engineering probably happened down there.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. So people are tinkering away, and it's probably terrifying to think who can get that done the fastest. And this also brings up. It's like the arms race seems now like who gets the furthest with AI is going to win some race. Like that's the big concern now is that because the race with these UAPs has just stalled out. I mean, how long have we had them now? 75 years, right. Longer.

[Pete]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

And basically what we just. We're like, well, we've kind of got somewhere, but we're really not able to build, figure out anything more. So we're not too worried about another country making a big leap forward.

[Pete]

It's probably. Everyone's stalled, is that you're saying?

[Adam Thorne]

I don't know. I mean, it seems like we'd be more concerned about it. Maybe they are. I mean, they're not telling us what they're up to with that stuff, but, you know, they make it seem like, the big threat is AI and whoever figures out AI the fastest, our government

[Pete]

and all governments have to have big threats to keep us worried about something.

[Adam Thorne]

But maybe that's. Maybe that's the big equation they're trying to figure out. They make the AI smart enough to then go and figure out how these freaking ships work. Yeah, that's all they do. They just get them smart enough and then go, right? Here's all the data on these crafts. Figure out how they work so we can build a hundred of them. And it goes. There you go. Yeah, there's your army. Now you're invincible.

[Pete]

Now you can just delete money and be on the blockchain and literally plug us in like the batteries in the matrix.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yay.

[Pete]

Fine, but just put me back in the 50s whenever you put me asleep in that little box. The 50s, please.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Pete]

I'm kind of into it now.

[Adam Thorne]

If. If. As long as the simulation was sweet. Just make it dope.

[Pete]

It's a strip club.

[Adam Thorne]

Just make it really good for everyone.

[Pete]

Free strip club.

[Adam Thorne]

Everyone's doing pretty good.

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[Adam Thorne]

Everyone has a fun time. Maybe, like, everyone has a pretty good podcast, right?

[Pete]

With a. A million viewers.

[Adam Thorne]

Imagine if everyone got to go to work and did a really good podcast, and then they had a ton of downloads because no one really knows who your downloads are. You don't meet your audience, so it's just like a fabricated number on a screen. So everybody has their own massive audience.

[Pete]

The huge satisfaction level.

[Adam Thorne]

Huge satisfaction level. Solid bank account, because you just getting paid from your big audience, and then everyone's just going about their day thinking they're great podcasters, coming up with content.

[Pete]

Sounds like my life, except for the

[Adam Thorne]

bank account, but really, we're just in a squishy tank.

[Pete]

Tubes in our butt, robots.

[Adam Thorne]

Tubes in our butt. It's always back to tubes in their butt with you, Pete.

[Pete]

I say it every day.

[Adam Thorne]

Come on now. All right, well, we're eight minutes away from potential World War Three, so we're gonna tune into that. But I hope you enjoyed this episode, and if you haven't watched the documentary as to go out and buy it because it's only 20 bucks, and we should support Bob and

[Pete]

the whole.

[Adam Thorne]

And that guy and the whole UFO thing because it's exciting times and it's a lot of fun, and it was really cool to watch. So what a time. And as an episode goes, it was great to have him back. It was cool to see him get a little bit too drunk, to be honest, to pee, like, 15 times that he kept blaming on his prostate.

[Pete]

Well, that could be true.

[Adam Thorne]

Just hilarious that Joe would get him too drunk to where he could barely pull sentences together. Why not? It's so perfect that that would happen on a Rogan podcast that it just makes all the sense in the world.

[Pete]

It's hilarious.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, Joe stops drinking for how long? And then he's like, yeah, fuck it. Let's get hammered whiskeys with Lazar. Let's get him trash.

[Pete]

I'll drink to that.

[Adam Thorne]

Anyway, that's it for us. Love you guys. Next time.