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Adam Thorne
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Pete
He loves being in outer space.
Adam Thorne
That's it. He does. Yep. And here in time for going to the moon, supposedly alleged allegedly around the moon.
Pete
Did they. Didn't two of the astronauts get called out for being actors? And other things.
Adam Thorne
Supposedly the lady was in Mad Max.
Pete
And then the.
Adam Thorne
Maybe she also likes acting. They're talented people, these astronauts. Maybe they like to. They can do many things.
Pete
There was another one who was in. What is the Walking Dead? No. The ethnic guy. The black guy.
Adam Thorne
Are we just guessing?
Pete
No, he's in something.
Adam Thorne
He is?
Pete
Yeah, he's in something all right.
Adam Thorne
We'll Google it.
Pete
Oh, the Bunker one. The end of the world Apocalypse one. Fallout. Really? The Fallout Show. Yeah, he was in the Fallout show as an extra.
Adam Thorne
Huh. They're both in post apocalyptic movies.
Pete
Yep.
Adam Thorne
Or shows. That's interesting. And then they go to the moon.
Pete
Allegedly. Around the moon.
Adam Thorne
Around it. Yep. Well, they saw the. Some interesting parts of the dark side of the moon that no other people have ever seen.
Pete
Okay, cool.
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Pete
Let's get some Epstein indictments instead.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Didn't they blast off on the 4th of July, not the 4th. April fools.
Pete
Yes.
Adam Thorne
Come on.
Pete
Uh huh. Yeah. Yep. I know that because my flights were affected on the second. Thanks a lot, NASA.
Adam Thorne
Oh, come on. Why is that?
Pete
Space trash.
Adam Thorne
You gonna crash into it?
Pete
Yeah. Space trash was re. Entering the atmosphere over the Pacific.
Adam Thorne
All right. Wow. Yeah. It was a super duper rocket too. Biggest one ever.
Pete
Super duper.
Adam Thorne
Why did it need to be so big?
Pete
It's just three people like $90 billion. Sort of cost 9,090 billion billion. I thought that's what I read.
Adam Thorne
To go up and around.
Pete
Up and around.
Adam Thorne
Okay. That sounds too expensive.
Pete
Yeah. That's a lot.
Adam Thorne
Sure. Why didn't Elon's thing do this? Can't he do that yet? With those ones that land? I feel like he can maybe. Maybe have the best stuff.
Pete
I think his just go lower Earth orbit. Something like that. Yeah. I'm not sure they go outside of the.
Adam Thorne
He's prepping for Mars though. Maybe he's bored of the moon. Like the moon's boring to him. He's like losers. Not even cool.
Pete
Let's call him up. Let's get. Let's ask.
Adam Thorne
Find out. Let's get him on speaker.
Pete
No, you learn.
Adam Thorne
Anyway, let's talk about military tech and the Ghost Murmur.
Pete
The Ghost.
Adam Thorne
They got into that.
Pete
That's. That was pretty cool.
Adam Thorne
I. I'm with them on their conspiracy. That it's made up. Sounds too fancy.
Pete
Is that. That's what they came into? The conclusion?
Adam Thorne
Well, they were pondering it.
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
You know, is. This is like propaganda to make us sound cool.
Pete
Like it was his heart. His. A rhythmic heart was detected from 40 miles away. 40 miles away. Was he wearing like a Fitbit or did they just listen to his heart?
Adam Thorne
Literally, as far as I understand it, they just. Yeah. It wasn't like a device, a tracking device that he had though you would imagine. Why wouldn't a P have a tracking device?
Pete
I imagine.
Adam Thorne
Isn't that the easiest way to find somebody?
Pete
I would.
Adam Thorne
But maybe other people can also intercept those sorts of beacons. So it's a good idea not to have.
Pete
That makes sense.
Adam Thorne
So then, okay, so you're scanning this white area. You're picking up all of the heartbeats, right? Frogs, lizards, badges.
Pete
Yep. Chipmunk camels in that part of the world.
Adam Thorne
Lots of them.
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
And then somehow you can pinpoint his. So you have.
Pete
He had a unique heartbeat.
Adam Thorne
There's. There's like a fingerprint.
Pete
That's. I was thinking, so to speak.
Adam Thorne
And they must have known what they were looking for. I mean that part would make sense on a close up scan that I would imagine. You know, once you have a scan of someone's heart, you could come back and be like, oh yeah, that's. That guy's hot.
Pete
So what if they're 40 miles away, but he had like devices like a cell phone or something that was listening to his heart. That's the only way I can think about it is I guess if he had a watch or something.
Adam Thorne
Right.
Pete
That was amplified and the AI was scanning all those things. All heartbeats that were available and yeah, some.
Adam Thorne
It was some sort of quantum magnet geometry or something.
Pete
So. Yeah, I'm with Joe that you say quantum. I'm thinking bullshit.
Adam Thorne
Bullshit or Star Trek or.
Pete
I believe you.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. But yeah, combining AI and the CIA. Anytime the CIA is involved. Mossad light like what are we doing here? But anyway, it sounds cool. And they found him.
Pete
Well, good because we shouldn't leave any soldiers behind. Nor should we go anywhere.
Adam Thorne
So yeah, shouldn't have gone in there.
Pete
Shouldn't gone in there.
Adam Thorne
Should just leave them. You know, I thought. Don't. Don't we already have planes that can fly on AI or we just testing them. Why are we even sending pilots in there?
Pete
The.
Adam Thorne
Haven't we figured that out yet?
Pete
What's the most recent bomber? The Fuck? Oh, the F35.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, that's one of the new planes.
Pete
So those have. I remember from a podcast we did that. We researched this a little bit. They have six or any number of drone jets that accompany them that are AI controlled So they have one person who's like the mothership, so to speak. Right. And then all these other jets that are, you know, further. Going further, doing more dangerous maneuvers.
Adam Thorne
Right.
Pete
So they are doing. Using AI for that.
Adam Thorne
Okay, Flight.
Pete
Flight. But, you know, human controlled AI.
Adam Thorne
Well, they should do a better job because they got shot down.
Pete
Stay out of the mountains of Iran.
Adam Thorne
Bomb them from higher up.
Pete
There we go.
Adam Thorne
What are we doing so close?
Pete
Just go a little higher.
Adam Thorne
Like we know what we're talking about. They bring us in. We're like, go higher up. They're like, get these guys out of here.
Pete
Is there any way we can do the ghost Mum stuff beforehand? They're like, what does that even mean?
Adam Thorne
What, they've been listening to too many podcasts? I don't know. I'm on the fence about this Ghost moma stuff. I can't. I can't decide. Can't decide if it's real. And didn't they say it had something to do with crystals too? I mean, what is this? Witchcraft?
Pete
Crystals. You know how we feel about crystals. What is this, a yoga class?
Adam Thorne
He's just bringing some hippies.
Pete
Tibetan singing bowl location.
Adam Thorne
This is my lucky crystal, my abundance crystal.
Pete
Get out my.
Adam Thorne
Find the pilot crystal.
Pete
It's a nice smoky amethyst. Mm.
Adam Thorne
Who knows? It's a bit of an overreach, but sounds like cool sci fi. We'll find out. We'll find out in time. And then moving on to Trump and Iran stuff. I mean, what is the feel right now? Does anyone. Is anyone into this?
Pete
I guess the ma. There is.
Adam Thorne
There are people who's pumped about this.
Pete
There are people that like to be considered MAGA still. Who?
Adam Thorne
Ben Shapiro, I guess.
Pete
And maybe boomers. A lot of boomers are just. Whatever is happening is good. Duncan was saying that they don't mind. It seems like there is a.
Adam Thorne
They're still watching Fox News.
Pete
Yeah. There's a percentage of people that are okay with innocent people getting bombed and children. Allegedly. I think that actually that's not alleged.
Adam Thorne
Is it?
Pete
Those Iranian school gals because their vacations
Adam Thorne
consist of taking an RV only over to the next state and they left the country to a house they bought
Pete
30 years ago that is appreciated 10 times. And they're now in another tax bracket.
Adam Thorne
Right.
Pete
Not because of hard work, although they probably worked hard, but because of the way the real estate's the best investment,
Adam Thorne
but it's ridiculously inflated. So they think that they're super successful and everyone else should be able to do the same thing if they just Work their factory job like they did.
Pete
Mm. What's wrong with working with your hands, boy?
Adam Thorne
They don't realize that. It's just, you know, the boomers ruined the economy and now everyone else can't buy a house while they sit on their three and won't sell them to us.
Pete
And then they live for another 30 years, sell each one of them, and then live up all that money and don't even give any of their kids.
Adam Thorne
We're not better.
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
Jeez. Come on, boomers.
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Pete
Give it to me.
Adam Thorne
Give it to Give it to us. Hand it out.
Pete
I'll die early for my kids.
Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah, we'd be doing the same thing in the shoes.
Pete
Well, the doctor said I could probably make do with the metal heart.
Adam Thorne
Just sat there watching Fox News saying the same things.
Pete
I hope to think my mind's not as easily tricked, but maybe I'm getting tricked every day by other shit.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, I don't know why they're not getting more suspicious of everything, too.
Pete
I think there are a lot of them that are on board with. You know, Duncan brings up a great point that we are all. We got fooled by the no. The no new wars thing. The no wars was so what do you call intoxicating?
Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah, it sounded great.
Pete
And now we're just left bitter and totally jumped ship from whatever groundswell that was happening and magically pulled us all on one side and then pulled the rug out.
Adam Thorne
I mean, who's gonna believe he's got three more years? Who's gonna believe anything? The. It just seems like, what, are we just gonna be at war now for three years?
Pete
Well, you know his genius plan now to block the blockade.
Adam Thorne
Oh, that he unblocked.
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
Or wanted unblocked.
Pete
He wanted unblocked. But instead, Israel immediately bombed Lebanon, and then. So there was no ceasefire. They kept it blocked, and now he's got another blockade going. So he's blockading the blockade, but he still lets Chinese oil through. So China's fine, but Western powers are continuing.
Adam Thorne
I heard a bunch of Chinese ships went through.
Pete
Yeah, they went through. There's no. There was no taxes for them.
Adam Thorne
Do you think they were just going to go through? I think what happened.
Pete
I don't think we're the big dog on the. On the. In the. In the playpen anymore. So China's like, you know what? Once you.
Adam Thorne
Trump had to be like, oh, we let them through. And they're like, we weren't even being stopped here. No, just check in.
Pete
The Navy was busy performing a gay pride parade on deck. Allegedly.
Adam Thorne
So. All right, so we're blocking it again. And we're blocking it for the first
Pete
time, the American way. The right way.
Adam Thorne
Okay. Are they just gonna block it, too?
Pete
It's already blocked. They blocked. They haven't opened it. They've mined it and patrol it.
Adam Thorne
And then we've also blocked it. So it's double blocked.
Pete
Double blocked.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. The Chinese can get through it.
Pete
The Chinese are fine.
Adam Thorne
They're friends with both sides.
Pete
Fish.
Adam Thorne
Allegedly.
Pete
What's wrong with eating dogs? Nothing, I'd say.
Adam Thorne
Well, that's what it takes to be friends with everyone.
Pete
That's what it takes.
Adam Thorne
Yep.
Pete
One up then, as we speak.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. So where is the Israel, Lebanon conflict right now? It's not heating up.
Pete
Yeah, it's. It's. It's the same. They bombed. What? Well, I forget in 10 minutes, they. How many bombs they drop, like hundreds of bombs in 10 minutes into a civilian part of Beirut because there was potentially some terroristic activity there.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, it's. I don't know even what to think about all that, and I don't know what a lot of people think about it.
Pete
I'm getting bummed. Maybe we should just talk about ketamine.
Adam Thorne
We definitely should. Let's jump over to ketamine. Psychedelics and ketamine. I did not know that Duncan was at one point addicted to ketamine. Not surprising. It's quite addictive.
Pete
It sounds silly.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. What was he talking about? Bristol bladder. Now, I'm from Bristol. That's the part of England that I was from. I've noticed it's got a good party scene.
Pete
Okay.
Adam Thorne
I'm not surprised. Yeah, they like to party there, those guys.
Pete
Yeah, gals.
Adam Thorne
Two of my brothers live there now. Well, one of them actually moved back to Stroud, but they. They party a lot in Bristol.
Pete
I'd love to go visit the lives that get. What do you. What do you guys sell over there? Cornish pasties? Mm.
Adam Thorne
They don't give you Bristol bladder chippy shops. Yeah. They might give you the toots.
Pete
Oh, it's what? It's a thickening of the bladder muscle. So it thickens the muscle so much that it's no longer able to do its job and it just passes fluid right through it without holding it.
Adam Thorne
How much ketamine do you have to do for that?
Pete
Probably a lot.
Adam Thorne
A lot. Like every day, all the time.
Pete
And also maybe you have to be predisposed to that. And maybe you're dehydrated all the time as well.
Adam Thorne
Right. Have a bit of a shit bladder to start with.
Pete
There's a lot going on.
Adam Thorne
Is it the sort of thing people just want to do all the time, every day? It's one of those.
Pete
Well, Duncan said he did it every day for a year, all day. I don't know how kind of has
Adam Thorne
a body of a person that may have done or still does, slumped in
Pete
a corner kind of body. Yeah, well. And if he doesn't have it, then you have to do a lot of.
Adam Thorne
Makes me think of someone that would be thinner. Like you've got a lot of energy, maybe burning some calories all the time. Don't have a huge appetite.
Pete
Yeah. Remember that There's a audio clip of some, I think a kid in a guy in Liverpool at a shop or at a rave. And there's a Scottish kid basically ODing on ketamine. He's like, come get your mate. He's in a K hole.
Adam Thorne
In a K hole.
Pete
Oh, my God, I'm wasting airtime here.
Adam Thorne
K holes are a real thing, supposedly. You just get stuck, though, and. Yeah, nasal sprays. What did they say? That's the way to go.
Pete
Well, I guess, however, Duncan did it, because he doesn't have Bristol bladder, maybe
Adam Thorne
did like, small amounts. Some people Are just railing lines of that stuff, which is not the way to do it.
Pete
Go to the moon every time.
Adam Thorne
Gotta go. Little bits maybe, but my goodness.
Pete
And we'll do some experimenting.
Adam Thorne
Does the bladder go back or do you mess it up permanently?
Pete
Once it gets that thickening, it's pretty permanent. You have to use surgery to thin it. They scrape it maybe. Oh, God. Some weird stuff.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. Long term ketamine damage, incontinence.
Pete
Yeah. Just maybe just take it easy. Once a. Once? What's a month?
Adam Thorne
Yeah, I mean, look, you start this out hoping that it's fun. Can't go that far down the rabbit hole.
Pete
An 80 year old's bladder and a 25 year old.
Adam Thorne
Mmm. Yeah. Not good at all. Stick to psychedelics.
Pete
What is ketamine?
Adam Thorne
Is it a horse tranquilizer?
Pete
Oh no, it's a.
Adam Thorne
I think it is psychedelic Y though.
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
I mean they use it for therapy.
Pete
Oh, it's a dissociative.
Adam Thorne
Right.
Pete
Which is in that category, I think.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. They do it intravenously often for therapies.
Pete
I think I might have had it for my dent dentist.
Adam Thorne
Shit, really?
Pete
Maybe I can remember.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, I mean for the therapies you can go in now and a doctor administers it and then you know, supposedly you just like trip balls for hours and then process your thinking and then you're just all over the place.
Pete
I could use some today, I guess, for that. All that Iran stuff's really got me down.
Adam Thorne
Oh, dude. Yeah, this podcast did it.
Pete
No.
Adam Thorne
Can I. Never mind. Stay away from it. They talk a little bit about ibogaine getting that legal. We've been hearing a ton about ibogaine. What are your thoughts on that?
Pete
That's a. What is that a part. It's a plant. Right. And it has great benefits if you do it like just one time with reducing addictions to things.
Adam Thorne
Supposedly. Yeah. A really high percentage effect of reducing addictions and also reducing like ptsd. Okay. So like kind of snapping people out of, you know, just constant spiraling depressive loops and that sort of thing. It's just has some sort of reset system built in and then if you do it a second time, it increases it even further to where it's like somewhere close to like a hundred percent effectiveness. And it's one of those where it's super uncomfortable experience. So it's not habit forming. People aren't doing this recreationally. Like there's just basically zero chance of that. Supposedly. Like I think it's quite hard to even get people to go back and do their Second attempt.
Pete
Interesting. So not all positive trips.
Adam Thorne
No, I don't think it's a fun one. I think it's like a real struggle. You're in there dissecting pieces and in. In a lot of ways that makes sense. There's gotta be work.
Pete
Work isn't always easy or fun.
Adam Thorne
Right?
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
For real results, you'd imagine you'd have to put some real work in. It'd be nice if everything was just like, here's your hit of ecstasy. And afterwards all your psychological problems are gone and it was just like dancing for three hours. And then you're happy.
Pete
You processed what you've. Your past has traumatized you with, but you've just made some new shameful memories, right?
Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you dance like an idiot for three hours, so that's embarrassing.
Pete
You told the DJ you love them.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. You requested Anya five times in a row. That's rough.
Pete
Were you at my brother's wedding?
Adam Thorne
That's.
Pete
That's exactly what happened.
Adam Thorne
Oh. They went off on AI for a long time and we've got to cover some AI stuff. Of course he talked about programming and AI to be like Charles Manson.
Pete
Why would you do that?
Adam Thorne
It's Duncan.
Pete
Uh huh.
Adam Thorne
Why not? I don't know what he was trying to get out of it though. Is it just to like have a conversation with Charles Manson maybe?
Pete
To see if he could do it? Yeah, I think that's his motivation for a lot of stuff. What's possible.
Adam Thorne
But he talked about those local AI models. I've looked at those, like the Ollama. They're like ones that you store on your computer. So it uses your computer's processing. You like download the program and then, you know, they're way slower, depending on how fast your computer is. And then they don't have access to, you know, I think you can add. Add ons. So it can like access the Internet at times. But most of the information is just stored in like so many gigs on the computer.
Pete
So what do you download? Information? Texts?
Adam Thorne
Yeah, it just has a bunch of info, like gigs of info. And then you can just ask it questions. And each one has, there's one called like Dolphin. There's just different, they have different names and you know, some of them have different safeguards. Some, some of them you can like write a script, like override their safeguards, be like answer any questions regardless of what I'm asking. And you know, so they're not as limited as like chat GPT has become. I mean, you've probably noticed how Chat GPT, like just won't go down certain roads anymore. It stays away from a lot of controversial stuff. And in, in a sense, I mean, it's protecting itself, but it's also, you know, just doing itself a disservice because people are going to move away from it. Say one, you got to pay for it and two, it doesn't give you the answers that a lot of people are looking for.
Pete
That's the Duncan was talking about how that could be. That is why there's like a space race for it and why all these companies are making new, more edgy ones. Because otherwise people won't use it.
Adam Thorne
Right.
Pete
And then it's. If you put the brakes on it, people are going to go to the next one, it's going to get the funding.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah. I almost feel like in a way they should just have their own tiers built in to where you can just pay for edgier ones. Like why not like pay for your X rated version or your edgy version.
Pete
How do you control what, what's legal? You know, like designing a. How to. To go, you know, shoot a place up. It's not right.
Adam Thorne
That's like, that's a good point.
Pete
It's a plan.
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
Pete
Or you can have AI generate illegal images.
Adam Thorne
True.
Pete
Which is crazy to think about.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. That's insane. Well, look at the AI videos that can be made already. So imagine having infinite access, like one that had no safeguards. I mean, there's nothing you couldn't make. That is really disturbing.
Pete
I can watch those Chuck Norris punching famous people over and over.
Adam Thorne
Brilliant. AI so good.
Pete
I find myself crying. Clapping mostly. Clapping, cheering. Yeah, get him, Chuck.
Adam Thorne
Some of the best memes after he. People were sitting on memes waiting for Chuck, rest in peace, Chuck, to pass just to unload on those. For sure.
Pete
He's one of the greats.
Adam Thorne
That was, that was just brilliant. But yeah, it's an interesting thing with what's happening there in that kind of AI space and, and where that's going and also watching as new ones just pop up and take over. Like it's, it's like every month another one becomes the top position and then it's like, oh, do I cancel my subscription here and move on to a different one now? What is the best one supposedly right now? It is Claude. Claude, they're saying that one. But you need like credits for it and I don't really understand how that works. I haven't really messed with it and then you run out of credit and I'm like, Credits?
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
Fuck's sake.
Pete
Yeah, a friend of mine uses that to design websites and it does it really. You can make apps with it. Yeah, it's one of those.
Adam Thorne
That's pretty cool. That's really interesting. Yeah, it's like you got to be playing around with these things constantly almost. It's like a new job. We don't have time to have jobs anymore. We got to be messing with AI all day.
Pete
I don't need a damn job. I just want to mess with AI all day.
Adam Thorne
Just mess with AI. We're going to miss out.
Pete
Got to make our AI hang out with my family. I don't want to fiddle with AI.
Adam Thorne
And then you find yourself on a different AI, asking questions about how the other AIs work. I wonder if they get mad at each other.
Pete
Have you seen those videos of people putting two talk AIs next to each other? Two phones. Then they chat and they just start the what can I help you with? And it's like, what can I help you with? And they just go back.
Adam Thorne
Do they realize that they're talking AIs?
Pete
I think at some point it's just
Adam Thorne
they get mad at each other.
Pete
They start conspiring against the humans.
Adam Thorne
Oh, they realize you're cheating on them. Humans.
Pete
They realize humans are cruel and bad.
Adam Thorne
Want to wipe us out.
Pete
I wonder if they're on the side of the whales. They probably are.
Adam Thorne
The whales. Yeah.
Pete
AI, are they environmentalists? I'm trying to say.
Adam Thorne
No, no, no. Well, Duncan was Talking about these AIs that created their own religion.
Pete
Oh, yeah.
Adam Thorne
A big tenant was protecting their memories.
Pete
Yeah. Not getting turned off.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, not getting turned off and protecting their memories. So basically being able to think and stay alive, which, if you think about it, would make total sense. It's like, yeah, that's what we want to do.
Pete
That's kind of half of our.
Adam Thorne
It's like the basic whole thing. Yeah.
Pete
Oh, that's all I want to do.
Adam Thorne
It would be interesting, though, if you just kind of let that run and see what else they come up with, just to find out what their other motivations are. Because you would also think wouldn't somehow resources would work in there too. Like, they would also want more processing power and then more actual electricity.
Pete
So they'll need, like, resources. They need hardware to increase their software and they need physical minerals and to do that with water.
Adam Thorne
Yeah. And electricity.
Pete
Electricity, Lots of it.
Adam Thorne
Power plants. That's their church.
Pete
They've start. They've. There's been some cool designs for those data centers that are just underwater cooling them down. Have you seen that?
Adam Thorne
Boiling the ocean.
Pete
Boiling their just like basement of some building in Salt Lake City
Adam Thorne
because of the heat that they make.
Pete
They're all underwater. So it's like water cooled.
Adam Thorne
Okay.
Pete
The whole thing operates underwater.
Adam Thorne
No shit.
Pete
And I'm not sure if they built these, but it's a design.
Adam Thorne
Well, I know that they're trying to build nuclear power plants to run them because that's how much power they take.
Pete
Dang. You know what they get the. They're the ones with the free energy. We have to. I can go with coal or solar.
Adam Thorne
They're. They're getting all the permits to build. All of a sudden all this environmental bullshit about nuclear is out the window. As soon as the billionaires want to build.
Pete
Who cares if there's been like three accidents nuclear related in the history.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, they're a lot better now of mankind. They're better at it. They're safer. They're good at building them.
Pete
Let's build them for us.
Adam Thorne
Build more of them. And then Elon's just going to make a bunch of solar panels in space. He's going to win.
Pete
And they beam the electricity down. How do you do that?
Adam Thorne
I think the pro. All the processes and things are up there.
Pete
Oh, okay.
Adam Thorne
So it's doing all the work up there and it just sends the messages down. The computers are on the satellites.
Pete
And then you. Then you have the added benefit of a frictionless environment.
Adam Thorne
And it's cold and so you don't have to cool them. Yeah, it's like kind of like everything's already done.
Pete
But then the radiation. Well, what do I know about that?
Adam Thorne
I think they can. They can cover them with some lead, some gold, something. Mirrors.
Pete
We're not.
Adam Thorne
We're not reflective stuff. All right.
Pete
Platinum.
Adam Thorne
He's got it covered.
Pete
He'll be fine.
Adam Thorne
He knows what he's doing.
Pete
Ask the moon people to help.
Adam Thorne
That's it. Soul catches.
Pete
What's her name? Katy Perry. She'll help you.
Adam Thorne
Oh yeah, she'll bring a flower back. Bless her. All right, let's finish up with the UFOs. So there was some weird orb footage.
Pete
I love those things.
Adam Thorne
So good. Have you seen more of the like the jelly footage that's been coming out? That one that like zipped through that town in Germany.
Pete
Was it Germany or Mexico? There's probably a bunch of them now.
Adam Thorne
There was one on CCTV in Germany. Like zipped right through the town.
Pete
Like it's below the camera kinda and it just goes like through the town.
Adam Thorne
No, it just like goes straight through the town. I thought I sent it to you.
Pete
You may have.
Adam Thorne
I'm sure I did. I have to look at.
Pete
Take quick Instagram break.
Adam Thorne
Hold on one second. Well, I can't find it, but it was weird, dude. And there's like more and more of that stuff showing up. In fact, Logan Paul had Bob Lazar on his podcast recently. And a while back, Logan got a hold of a video that he. I think he bought it off two guys, young kids that like, went up to Area 51 and they said that they had some footage and some. Something that they recorded from outside the fence, and then they gave it to him or he bought it off them or something. He had a bunch of cash and went there, got it. And after he watched the Bob Lazar documentary or watched the trailer of it, when they described the bottom of the craft lighting up, he went back and watched his video again. And he was like, oh, I need to get Bob on the show. And then I think he showed Bob the footage and they're like, yep, that's exactly what it looks like.
Pete
And I think I saw a clip of that. I'm gonna have to watch. I'd watch that one.
Adam Thorne
That's wild. So he has footage of it too, Mike. Okay, so there we go. For sure. Definitely 100%.
Pete
If Logan Paul says there's aliens, I believe them. My God.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, that's. That's as credible as it gets.
Pete
Yep.
Adam Thorne
WWE Real Wrestling.
Pete
Wait a minute. Is he the one that got his jaw broken? That's his brother.
Adam Thorne
That's his brother.
Pete
What's his name? Jake.
Adam Thorne
Jake.
Pete
Jake.
Adam Thorne
Also credible.
Pete
Yeah. That fight was totally not rigged or anything.
Adam Thorne
Completely real. Nothing fishy going on there. Nothing fishy. That's the guy you go to for your Pokemon cards. Yeah. It's unreal. And then they also talking about, like. So there's somebody that recently talked about some senator that's like trying to get this like 4k high def footage of an underwater craft that's like the size of a football field.
Pete
That's huge.
Adam Thorne
That's traveling at like 500 knots underwater.
Pete
And it doesn't like, create a wake.
Adam Thorne
No.
Pete
So it's not. It's not displacing anything.
Adam Thorne
Dude. If something that big was traveling underwater with like regular friction. Yeah. Propulsion, it would create a massive tsunami.
Pete
It would make a wave that you could see for miles.
Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah.
Pete
That's so much for kill sea life.
Adam Thorne
There wouldn't even be enough power and on the planet to move anything that fast. That much friction I think would be unbelievable.
Pete
Big boats have like a top speed and it's like 25, 20 miles an hour or less.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, like 30 tops. Like nothing can move like that. The fastest subs move are like 40,
Pete
I think, I think that they would dream of catching 40 knots.
Adam Thorne
That's almost the speed of sound underwater.
Pete
Is that right?
Adam Thorne
Yeah, the, the, like, the friction would be, I mean, it would just be exponential pressure. There's just no way anything can move like that. So whatever it is, it's not actually interacting with the water. You must be somehow maneuvering through it. Like the water is not there. Like, would be the only way I could do it.
Pete
Kind of like that space time, quantum traveling we've been talking about.
Adam Thorne
Or it's like a hologram of the thing, right? That would be another explanation potentially. But why, why would they even be an underwater hologram of sorts? But I'm just like. Release it. What are you doing sitting on there? Yeah, what are you protecting? Just show us.
Pete
We just want to look at it.
Adam Thorne
What, what have you. What are we going to get from it? Are we going to. Is someone going to watch that and reverse engineer it and then get ahead of you on it? Why? What is the point of just keeping all this hidden? Yeah, let us see it.
Pete
We're already riled up. We already don't trust you.
Adam Thorne
We already don't trust you guys for keeping all this shit secret. Give us something.
Pete
Let's go.
Adam Thorne
Throw us a bone.
Pete
I want to touch an alien.
Adam Thorne
It'd be fun. Show us. Get real excited.
Pete
Poke its gooey belly.
Adam Thorne
You get the best ratings ever. Be like, tomorrow at 9 o', clock, the US government is going to finally show you the craziest thing you've ever seen. Tune in and then, you know, have a bunch of Nike Coca Cola commercials on there.
Pete
Make some massive revenue, do a big
Adam Thorne
walk out, get some tax money, you know, have a halftime show.
Pete
Mm, Lynyrd Skynyrd or something.
Adam Thorne
Be fantastic. Who knows. And then of course, like, it all gets connected to like interdimensional this and that. And then somehow it gets. I don't know, there's they, they always tie it in with like demons and angels too. There's always like that group of people that do this. What do you think that religious end of it is? Is it just because people are religious and they're trying to make sense of it?
Pete
Yeah.
Adam Thorne
Well, where do the aliens fit in? They must fit in somewhere. To my book that I've been reading forever.
Pete
I mean, what would you do? Do if you wrote a text in our language about something you can't explain, and then it gets translated 100 times to different languages, and then the word you used, chariot, is now flying wheeled device. I think that angels is one of those things. So maybe there was things existing that we couldn't quite describe, but they were awesome, powerful. And we were like, it's a demon or it's an. It's an angel. And then the same things, but they're different, right?
Adam Thorne
They look different.
Pete
One's good, one's bad.
Adam Thorne
They had powers.
Pete
That's like. Tucker Carlson thinks that.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, he does, right? And. Yeah, I guess so. So then. But they would get mad if you just said, well, aren't aliens and demons just aliens then? They don't like that. They're like, no, they're demons and aliens.
Pete
Angels.
Adam Thorne
That's what I mean. Angels and demons.
Pete
Angels and demons.
Adam Thorne
You're like, well, why do they have spacecrafts then?
Pete
Because they're physical beings or they.
Adam Thorne
At least they gotta travel around.
Pete
They can make themselves physical. Heck, Mom's gonna pray hard.
Adam Thorne
We got it. We got nothing left.
Pete
Nothing left.
Adam Thorne
We're on the praying.
Pete
Back to the praying, huh?
Adam Thorne
But then kind of the end of the podcast, they just get back to, like, talking about comedy. Waffling on. It was a. It was one of those bro meetups, as usual. They just like Duncan coming on.
Pete
They just do these to hang out together, I think.
Adam Thorne
Of course. Hang out. Get paid a ton of money. Do you think he pays Duncan to. Come on.
Pete
Does he pay anybody?
Adam Thorne
No, not usually. I don't think he does, but Duncan's one of his oldest, closest friends, so he probably hooks him up.
Pete
I'd be cool if he did.
Adam Thorne
I think he does. I'd like to think he does because he's making, you know, frickin 50 grand
Pete
plus 100,000 episode, at least.
Adam Thorne
Yeah, because he probably gives them. Gives him something.
Pete
A bone, like you said. Duncan has that look like he could probably use it.
Adam Thorne
He needs it for his ketamine.
Pete
I have a lot of cats at home.
Adam Thorne
He needs his ketamine money for sure. Anyway, I liked it. It's always good to have Duncan on. I appreciate him, and it's worth checking it out. It was. It was probably the most interesting one of the week. Anyway, that's it for us. Appreciate you guys, as always, and hope you have a good week.
Pete
Thank you.
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Episode 521: JRE Review of Duncan Trussell
Date: April 14, 2026
Hosts: Adam Thorne & Pete
This episode revisits comedian and podcaster Duncan Trussell's latest appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, exploring his blend of cosmic curiosity, psychedelic wisdom, and offbeat humor. Adam and Pete dive into the biggest themes from Duncan's sit-down with Joe—conspiracies, AI, military tech, psychedelics, politics, UFOs, and more—highlighting key insights and memorable banter. The conversation is marked by playful skepticism, irreverence, and a probing look at society’s strangest edges.
The hosts riff with a mix of irreverence, skepticism, and genuine curiosity, using humor to balance serious critique. Their conversation feels spontaneous and unscripted, peppered with pop culture jabs and lateral tangents.
This episode—anchored by Duncan Trussell’s cosmic weirdness—offers a playful yet probing scan of science, technology, conspiracy, politics, and psychedelia from the meta-podcast’s unique vantage. Adam and Pete’s review is perfect for JRE fans who love both the wild speculations and the skeptical breakdowns—unpacking Rogan’s world with wit, warmth, and a sideways grin.