523 JRE Review of Special guest Dan Doty

Summary

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JRE Review Podcast – Episode 523: Special Guest Dan Doty (April 28, 2026)

Episode Overview

Host Adam Thorne welcomes Dan Doty—three-time Joe Rogan Experience (JRE) guest, wilderness guide, former MeatEater producer, adventure trip leader, and men's work advocate—for a deep-dive discussion. The episode explores Dan's unique experiences with Joe Rogan, how introducing Rogan to hunting influenced the JRE and wider culture, the evolution of men’s groups like Everyman, behind-the-scenes insights on both hits and nerves of being on the JRE, and broader conversations about masculinity, authenticity, and rites of passage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dan Doty's Introduction and Journey to JRE

• Background: Dan introduces himself as a father, husband, and executive coach. He details his early career guiding therapeutic wilderness trips for young men, his stint as a NYC high school teacher, and ultimately joining the production team behind MeatEater.
  • [03:00] Dan: “I met Joe, and I met him through the show Meat Eater. I worked on that show for about four and a half years… they needed somebody with wilderness chops to come help the crew on these hunting… shoots in the backcountry.”
• MeatEater & Rogan Connection: Rogan was a fan of MeatEater, reached out as a novice hunter, and joined the crew on multiple hunts. Dan describes being the directing/producing lead during several of those influential outings.
  • [04:15] Dan: “We first met Joe… he’d never hunted before. And so I got to be part of the crew… on a handful of hunts.”

Rogan as a Guest & MeatEater Collaboration

• Fresh off Fear Factor and UFC fame, Rogan joined as one of MeatEater’s highest-profile guests.
  • [07:13] Dan: “I was probably at a 6 or maybe even a 5 [of 10] when he first reached out… but we did know it was a big deal…”
• Celebrity Energy: The addition of Rogan (and comedian Brian Callan) changed the tone of the show.
  • [08:31] Dan: “The level of just like gut-wrenching laughs on those trips, man… I think Brian’s standup is funny and wonderful, but in person… I’ve never been around somebody that is as wildly creative in the moment and just, just fucking hilarious.”

Joe Rogan’s Transformation Through Hunting

• Hunting & Personal Evolution: The hosts argue that hunting not only deepened Rogan’s own philosophy but also became a recurring motif on JRE, affecting how guests and fans interact with ideas of food, ethics, and masculinity.
  • [11:33] Adam: “He is his own sector of the news in that way... a big part of what changed for him is this avenue of hunting, and it feeds into so much of his philosophy...”
• Primal Authenticity:
  • [14:01] Dan: “He’s just a primal guy. I remember one… we were butchering and cutting up a deer on one of the shoots, and he showed us an arm bar from Jiu Jitsu and used it to snap a deer’s leg… just summed it up for me.”
• Notable quote [14:01]:
  • “Hanging out with him on a hunt is not a different Joe than on the show. It’s all just the same dude. He’s just a primal guy.” —Dan Doty

The Nuance of Learning to Hunt

• First experiences matter: The success and structure of Rogan’s initial hunt set the stage for his lifelong interest.
  • [17:43] Dan: “What it takes up front is just a desire and a willingness... it’s good to come in with an idea of why you’re doing it. And that could be a lot of different reasons.”
• Importance of mentorship and values alignment in the hunting world.
  • [19:30] Dan shares practical insight: “Finding someone to mentor you or support you is really helpful.”

Rogan’s Cultural Impact on Hunting

• Visibility & Popularity: Both MeatEater and JRE are credited with driving interest in hunting, but also revealing its steep learning curve.
  • [21:28] Dan: “Steve and MeatEater changed hunting fundamentally… and I think Joe helped to just like blow that up in terms of visibility and reach.”
  • [21:55] Dan: “It’s not like bowling where you can just go grab a ball and give it a shot... there’s a real learning curve.”
• Notable quote [21:55]:
  • “There’s a real learning curve to becoming a hunter… my hunch is that Joe probably got a lot of people riled up about it and then there’s not that many resources or avenues for people to actually get good training or learning.” —Dan Doty

Everyman, Men’s Groups, and the JRE Effect

• Dan’s second post-MeatEater chapter: launching Everyman, focused on authentic men’s groups/retreats for vulnerability, honesty, and emotional literacy.
  • [25:53] Dan: “What we were doing at MeatEater was supporting men’s… overall health or mental health through men’s retreats and through men’s groups... repression of our experience and our feelings is really harmful to us.”
• Rogan’s role in men’s emotional conversation:
  • [27:14] Dan: “He’s a very masculine dude, but also, I think, holds a really healthy… emotional world. At least that’s my sense.”
• Cultural Tension: Discusses how talking men’s feelings on JRE was “countercultural,” but necessary.
• Everyman’s Real-World Impact:
  • [30:33] Adam: “It certainly resonated with a lot of people that heard you on that episode ... multiple states worth of Everyman groups that I joined—it made a huge impact. So, kudos for going on and people heard it for sure.”

The Pressure and Experience of Being on JRE

• Behind the scenes: Approaching the first appearance with Remy Warren, recording audio in the truck, nervousness vs. comfort, and the increase in stakes once Everyman was at the center.
  • [31:29] Dan: “The first one… felt pretty comfortable… the second one, we were literally driving… didn’t feel too intense. But the third time, after I had started Everyman... I was shaking like a leaf in the wind, man. I was nervous.”
• The surreal yet organic vibe of the studio:
  • [33:01] Dan: “He’s so easy to talk to… it’s a little bit surreal, but it’s also just like sitting in somebody’s pretty cool living room...”
• About the infamous “three-hour conversation”:
  • [33:56] Dan: “It’s like a psychedelic trip a little bit, you know, where the entry is a little bit intense and then you’re just like, all right, this is what we’re doing, man. There’s like no turning back. It doesn’t do any good to get nervous or tense about it. You just gotta, like, hit the gas and roll with it.”

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Memorable Quotes & Time Stamps

• On Rogan’s Authenticity
  “Hanging out with him on a hunt is not a different Joe than on the show. It’s all just the same dude. He’s just a primal guy.”
  —Dan Doty [14:01]

• On the Influence of Rogan and MeatEater
  “Steve and MeatEater changed hunting fundamentally, you know, in a cultural sense. And I think Joe helped to just like blow that up in terms of visibility and reach.”
  —Dan Doty [21:28]

• On Hunting’s Realities
  “It’s not like bowling where you can just go grab a ball and give it a shot... there’s a real learning curve.”
  —Dan Doty [21:55]

• On Being Vulnerable as Men
  “Repression of our experience and our feelings is really harmful to us, whether we’re men or women.”
  —Dan Doty [25:53]

• On Being a JRE Guest
  “After I had started Everyman… I was shaking like a leaf in the wind, man. I was nervous and… kind of went into a bit of a… out of body experience during it.”
  —Dan Doty [31:29]

• On Rogan’s Interviewing Style
  “It’s like a psychedelic trip... you just gotta, like, hit the gas and roll with it, you know?”
  —Dan Doty [33:56]

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Important Timestamps

• [03:00-05:59] – Dan’s origin story: wilderness therapy, MeatEater, first meeting Rogan.
• [08:31-09:44] – Wild hunt stories, on-the-ground comedy with Brian Callan and Joe Rogan.
• [14:01-16:25] – Rogan’s primal nature, hunting ethics, authenticity on and off camera.
• [17:43-20:19] – The experiential nature of hunting, importance of mentorship, first-timer wisdom.
• [21:28-23:21] – The culture shift in hunting post-JRE and MeatEater exposure.
• [25:53-28:54] – Evolution and impact of Everyman; Rogan’s emotional and masculine example.
• [31:29-33:56] – The lived experience of being on JRE: nerves, authenticity, three-hour rhythm.

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Tone and Takeaways

The episode is conversational, candid, and packed with humor (especially regarding Brian Callan’s unmatched in-person comedy and Joe’s primal "arm bar" on a deer). Dan Doty reflects with warmth and humility on his journey with Rogan and the far-reaching ripples of their collaborations—from the hunting world’s renaissance to men finding authentic community. Both host and guest balance reverence for Rogan’s massive platform with grounded insights into what actually changes when you foster connection, humor, and courageous self-exploration on and off the mic.

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Transcript

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Dan Doty]

Might either be the worst podcast or the best one.

[Adam Thorne]

One go.

[Dan Doty]

Enjoy the show.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, and welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. Today we have a special guest, Dan Doty. Now, Dan has been on Rogan is it three times before Dan?

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, that's right.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, so Dan's been on yeah, three times before and this is part of a series that we're doing where we are speaking with previous Rogan guests and just getting to know a little bit about their Experience and what it was like. So, Dan.

[Dan Doty]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Why don't you introduce yourself for those listening that don't know you and go into really, how you met Joe and some of your experiences there.

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, man. Well, thanks, Adam. It's nice to be here, man. So I'm Dan Doty. I'm a father of three and a husband, and I've had a pretty wild career path. I've done a lot of different things. Currently, I run adventure trips and rites of passage for boys and men. And I'm also an executive coach. But I. To rewind, I met Joe, and I met him through the show Meat Eater. I worked on that show for about four and a half years, maybe five years altogether. But to give you a little context for that, so I started my career as a wilderness therapy guide. I used to take groups of teen boys and young adult boys out on these therapeutic wilderness trips or adjudicated, like, kind of incarcerated wilderness trips. So that's where I started. And then I moved to New York City for a couple years, became a high school teacher. And I. I met through a men's group, actually, I met one of the first directors and producers of the Meat Eater series, right? And so it was in the Anthony Bourdain world for a company called zpz. And I met this dude, and they sold this new show that eventually became Meat Eater. And they needed somebody with wilderness chops, sort of a wilderness guide background, to come help the crew on these hunting. These wilderness hunting shoots in the backcountry. And so that's how I got introduced to that line of work. And, you know, if. If the listeners are familiar with Meat Eater, it became a smash hit, right? Just an absolute smash hit in the hunting space. And I think it was season three, either season two or season three, that we first met Joe. And he was a fan of the show, and he reached out. He had never hunted before. And so I got to be part of the crew. And at the time, I was directing and producing, so I was kind of leading and running the. Running the shoots, and got to take him out on a handful of hunts. Uh, I think three or four times I was out with Joe. Um, yeah, man, that's the origin. That's the origin story. And that was the context in which I was first on jre. Um, I was first on with, like, a secondary show that I helped create with a guy named Remy Warren, who's a hunter, a hunting figure. And so Remy and I went on once, uh, and then I was on a second time just myself. With Joe. And that was an interesting episode because we recorded it while we were driving from a hunt site back to the airport. There's actually no video. It was just an audio episode. Yeah. And then I was on. Yeah, and then I was on one. One more time in 17 or 2018 was the last time. I think so.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that was about right for sure.

[Dan Doty]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Now, when he first reached out, um, I'm sure you were familiar with Joe. Like, people knew who he was from either UFC and from his other shows, but. But, you know, how. How familiar were you with his podcast and. And, like, how kind of big of a figure was he to you? I mean, when you got that reach out, was it immediately like, oh, we've got to have Joe on. He's that character. Or was it like, oh, this sounds interesting, maybe, or we're kind of busy, we'll see if it fits?

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, we, We. It wasn't the latter. It wasn't that we're kind of busy. We'll see if it fits. It was an easy yes. It was a clear yes. But I also think that, you know, I. In my understanding and knowledge of Joe in general, I don't feel like maybe he hit critical mass until, I don't know, a couple years after I met him and we went out in the woods. But I certainly knew he. Who he was. I knew him from Fear Factor,

[Adam Thorne]

I

[Dan Doty]

think, like, let's say. Let's say if on a scale of 1 to 10, of, like, clear knowledge of.

[Adam Thorne]

Of.

[Dan Doty]

Of Joe and who he is and what he did, I was probably at a 6 or maybe even a 5 when he first reached out. But we did know it was a big deal and that it could be a big deal. Right. So we, We. We took it very seriously. We weren't. We weren't messing around. We were super excited to get out in the woods with him.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure. And, I mean, your show was pretty new then too, so having kind of celebrity guests on. You had other celebrity guests on at that point.

[Dan Doty]

I'm trying to think if we had any before that. I think he was the biggest at that point. For sure. We might have had some guests before, but no, he was the biggest. Right.

[Adam Thorne]

And Brian Callan came out too, right?

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What was it like spending. I spoken to Brian a few times in passing at the Comedy Store, because in my four years of being out there in LA and doing stand up, Brian was always, obviously there and a friendly guy and would always have chats with any of the open Micahs and. And he is seriously one of the funniest human beings just off the cuff all time. What was your experience like with Brian and.

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, I could barely handle it, man. I mean the, the level of just like gut wrenching laughs on those trips, man. There was. So we did the, the trips, I think four trips though, now that I think about it. And I think maybe he did one more that I didn't go on. But the first time we went up to Alaska. No, that went. That's not right. First we went to Montana and floated the Missouri breaks and hunted for mule deer. We went to Prince of Wales island in Alaska and hunted for black tail deer. And man, there's just so many stories about all of these that I could tell. We went to Wisconsin and hunted whitetail and then the last one was Nevada and Brian didn't go. Did Brian go on that one? No, I don't think Brian went on that one. But man, the, the jokes and laughter, it's, it's true, right? Like, I, I think Brian's standup is funny and wonderful, but in person, like there, there's no, I've never been around somebody that is as wildly creative in the moment and just, just fucking hilarious. And he, I mean, I'm an easy laugh generally, but he had my number, man. Like, he could just fuck me up and did constantly.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he, he's definitely one of those guys that sometimes I think that. And don't get me wrong, you watch his standup, it's great. Sometimes I think that, you know, it's like Joey Diaz sometimes you don't see it captured all the way in their specials sometimes. But those two especially seem to be in person, some of the funniest human beings that I've ever interacted with. They just, it's just in their soul. They don't know any other way to kind of interact with and, and, and yeah, and talking about hunting, obviously the impact that you guys had inviting him out. I mean, let's take the, the whole trajectory of Joe's show and over the years it's, it's evolved in its own way. Not only has Joe's popularity skyrocketed to a point that really is hard to quantify, but now, I mean, there's a case to be made that, that no new presidents will get elected without going on his show at this point. I mean, it's getting strange. He is his own sector of the news in that way. But along the evolution of, of his thought process, his politics, everything, a big part of what changed for him is this avenue of hunting, and it feeds into so much of his philosophy and, you know, even many of the guests that come on and just how the show has evolved. What do you think about that and that kind of impact?

[Dan Doty]

I mean, I just feel, you know, I don't know Joe that well, but we've spent enough time together for, for me to get a sense of who he really is. And I think one of the things about him I respect. There's a lot of things I respect about him, but one is just how

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[Dan Doty]

How fully transparent he is, right? Hanging out with him on a hunt is not a different Joe than on the show. It's all just the same dude. He's just a primal guy. I remember one of the things, we were butchering and cutting up a deer on one of the shoots and he showed us an arm bar from Jiu Jitsu and used it to snap a deer's leg. Right. A dead deer.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Dan Doty]

A deer that we were cutting up. So he didn't hurt the deer. But, but just that moment of like using his, his like, you know, powerful arm to just, just like snap a deer's leg as we were out there just kind of summed it up for me. You know, he's just, he's just a very primal dude and very naturally took to, you know, he, he had obviously had a lot of respect for Steve Rinella, the host of the show, and they kindled a relationship and a friendship and just, it worked, you know, philosophically or ethically and sort of just interest wise, it clicked and, you know, he became a regular on the series, on the show, which nobody else did, right? At least no other celebrities or anybody outside the circle of the show. And yeah, I mean, I figure if he hadn't come on Meat Eater, he would have just gone somewhere else and had a similar experience. I just think we got lucky to make that connection and be part of his journey there. And you know, it is, it's like I'm really proud of, of my work on Meat Eater and what we did and what they've done since. And it's, it is a, I just think it's such a timely and kind of universal message that fits in Joe's wheelhouse, which is that, you know, we're. There's some potential hypocrisy in eating meat and not paying attention to what you're actually doing there. Right. And the actual physical act of getting out in the mountains, in the woods and, and the health benefits and like the incredibleness of eating the meat. Like it's all just, you know, all of the storyline and, and I don't know, talk about what it's like. It's all very real. You know, it's not just something flippant that Joe's talking about or meat eaters talking about. It's like just very real. It's a very powerful thing to, to live that way or to experience what that means. And yeah, it was just. It's really cool how it all worked together.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, no, I mean he often talks about, you know, this kind of fork in the road where he came to disliking the idea of factory farming so much that he was considering. Like, hey, I'm either gonna be a vegetarian because I really dislike this or I'm gonna learn this other route. And you know, I hear what you're saying with maybe he would have just gone hunting with other people. But often, and I'm sure you've come across this, like sometimes these first experiences are what it takes to really hook you as well.

[Dan Doty]

And yeah, and he's got a magic for honing in on the right people, man. You know, he's, he's got just a magnet in him that just finds people who are doing something very real and authentic and, and yeah, man, that early couple years of meat eater, that was as pure and passionate and like real as anything I've ever been a part of. You know, we were getting after it and he fit.

[Adam Thorne]

Now you've probably taken a lot of first time people hunting that, you know, in a similar way to Joe. What was it that you noticed? I mean, what is it that you notice about a person when they're going to take to something or not like that.

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, I mean what it takes up front is just a desire and a willingness. That's a sense of like, there's something here that I want to experience. And it's hard to know what that actually is. You might get a sense of it. Right. Like I might take a life. I might actually pull a trigger. I might actually, you know, get my hands deep in blood in a carcass of a deer or an animal and. But all of that is so hard to really grok until you've done it. It's such an experiential thing. Right. This actually is one of my real passions in life is taking first time hunters and it's something I do every year and the, the prep for it. You know, I think, I think it's good to come in with an idea of why you're doing it. And that could be a lot of different reasons. Right. It could be that, you know, you always wanted to hunt but your family didn't or your dad didn't and so you didn't know how to get into it. Or it might be a very ethical food thing. Right. Which is, you know, either I need to be a vegan or actually understand this or, you know, or actually even more existential of like wanting to feel that sort of primal sense of being a predator and understand it. Right. So there's a lot of reasons, but I think it's good to, to be clear on your why coming into it. And then it's just, you know, especially if you can go with somebody who knows what they're doing and is aligned in a values sense, then you just kind of get to surrender and go for it, you know. And I mean, the thing about hunting is the silly old saying is, you know, we don't call it killing, we call it hunting. Right. So there's no guarantee. There's a lot of different ways to do it. You can sit in a stand in Texas and not move a muscle, or you can, you know, camp in the backcountry and make it really hard. And hunting is a very, very like staged or varied experience. Right. You can hunt with a bow to make it more challenging. You can hunt with high tech rifles. You could do it all kinds of different ways. I like how we did it with Joe. For our first experience, which is we floated a wilderness section of the Missouri river in Montana. We hunted with rifles. There was lots of opportunity, there's a lot of animals. So it was both a combination of real challenge and also, you know, reasonable sense that we were going to have success, which I think is a nice balance for a first time. But yeah, I. For anybody who wants the experience, I couldn't recommend it more. And knowing it's hard to get into it, you know, finding someone to mentor you or support you is really helpful.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, you certainly got him hooked, that's for sure. So something worked out there, definitely.

[Dan Doty]

And I mean, how could you not, man? We. We had a successful hunt and then we buried a deer skull under the ground on coals and ate the cheek meat with our. You know, I mean, it was just. It was fucking epic, you know.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it sounded. It sounded like the perfect type of hunt for sure. Definitely off. And also, I mean, once this happened, I mean, did you notice, and Steve's been on Rogan before, like since then, and has kind of joked, stop talking about Boseman, because he kept bringing it up. And obviously I live there now. You'd lived there before. A lot of people moved here or visit here maybe because Joe had talked about it so much as well as many other reasons. But do you think that he has changed hunting? I mean, hunting itself is changing on its own just because of its own popularity. But with Joe's Reach. Do you think there has been a change?

[Dan Doty]

I imagine so, man. I mean, you know, Steve and meat eater changed hunting fundamentally, you know, in a cultural sense. And I think Joe helped to just like blow that up in terms of visibility and reach. I'm sure he, I'm sure he has. You know, I've been out of the hunting profession, you know, technically, for, for quite a while now. I'm still a hunter myself and I do, do. I do some, you know, first time hunter camps every year, so I'm still involved. But yeah, I think that the, I think that he's definitely changed a lot of people's level of desire to hunt. You know, I think there's a lot of people who have followed his journey and their curiosity has been stoked by that. And I'm sure there's been a real uptick in, I don't know, gear purchased and tags purchased and demand for hunting. But, but the interesting thing about hunting too is just that it's not something that you can just show up at, you know, in the woods, just go buy a gun and show up and have any fucking clue what's going on. You know, there's a real learning curve to becoming a hunter, right. It's, it's not like bowling where you can just go grab a ball and give it a shot. I mean, I guess you can, right? But if you want to be successful, I know what you're doing, you want to be safe, then there's a real learning curve. So my hunch is that it. Joe probably got a lot of people riled up about it and then there's not that many resources or avenues for people to actually get good training or learning. Right. So I'm sure a bunch of those dudes started and are now. I'm sure we have a whole crop of hunters out there in the woods in the fall that are, you know, kind of born of listening to Joe, but it's probably less than the amount that want to.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure. Yeah. It's not like showing up to the pickleball courts and just with a racket amount more to it. Yeah. And in talking about heading on to Rogan and definitely the third time there and I'd heard you each time you had gone on, but the third time you were on was what really stood out to me. And that's how we ended up meeting through a mutual friend. And that's when you were talking about Everyman, which is something that became really quite a big influence in my life. And I think many people that listen to that episode because many people that I now know, day or night, VRBoCare

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[Adam Thorne]

Went into joining those groups, those men's groups, through Everyman, and. And funnily enough, many of them have become therapists now, too. Which I don't know if that was all part of your original plan, but it's kind of this trajectory that started to happen. And I'm wondering, and I've always kind of wondered this, like, when you think of the things that we were developing through those groups and it's like masculine kind of understanding of, like, self and honesty and all the rest of it. When. Of what you knew of Joe and spending time with him, how does he represent as a man when it comes to those things? Because obviously only hear him through the podcast and he seems very genuine. Obviously. That's, I think, why people resonate so much with him. But I think what he is as a man is like what really kind of what many men gravitate towards. It's like we look up to him in a way. And. Yeah. I wonder what your thoughts were about that.

[Dan Doty]

Yeah, so that, yeah, the third time I was on was. It was about a year or a year and a half or maybe close to two years into the Everyman journey. Right. So I. That was the next thing I did after I left the Meat Eater world. And so just to state very basically what we were doing at Meat Eater was supporting men's, you know, overall health or mental health through. Through men's retreats and through men's groups that really just kind of simply help men be authentic and honest with themselves and others and gave them some tools for how to express themselves and have their emotions in a more simple and direct way. And I guess maybe the last thing I'd say it was repression of our experience and our feelings is really harmful to us, whether we're men or women. Anyone and every man was a structured way where men could learn to not be so repressed about everything. And so, yeah, it was really interesting, man. I think what you're saying about Joe is he is fully, fully, fully expressed in so many ways, I think. Right. He's a very emotional dude, very connected, very, you know, talks about how much he loves his friends and doesn't withhold, you know, the. What I would think, like, the softer parts of life. And he also, you know, is a warrior as well. Right. You know, and loves hunting and martial arts and all. So he's a very masculine dude, but also, I think, holds a. A really healthy, you know, emotional world. At least that's my sense. You know, again, I don't know for sure, but that's my sense of him. But he also, you know, doesn't. It was interesting because on that. That last time I was on and I talked about every man. You know, it's uncomfortable to have the. Those conversations about men having feelings and men needing to express themselves. It's very countercultural to do that. Right. And so I think that, you know, that's not Joe's. Joe, I like. What I like about Joe's way of approaching all that is that it's not even an approach. He's just sort of like, kind of seems to be naturally effusive with his love and. And connected to people. And, you know, my role at that time, or how I saw it was kind of just trying to get the word out that, hey, guys, there's. There's old male stereotypes that are hurting us and maybe hurting those people around us, so it's helpful if we lean in this direction. And. And, yeah, man, we' got a lot of people's ears. We got a lot of people's attention. It really helped us expand our message and get our men's movement sort of really moving. So, yeah, I. Don't that answer your question? I think Joe just is. He just seems to be a pretty healthy dude across the spectrum. And again, that's my. Those are my thoughts.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I just felt like. I mean, with the group work that you did and the amount of men that you worked with and that you helped, and you kind of saw that direct progression of them working on themselves, and it just kind of the outcome and then, you know, just kind of seeing Joe as he is and making that comparison. I just thought that it would be just interesting to kind of hear your breakdown of that, because,

[Dan Doty]

you know, what Joe was interested in with me in mind, you know, what he locked into with me was my first block of work in my life that I did with young men and rites of passage and being in the wilderness and taking young people out into the wilds to find out who they were. There was something in that. I think that Joe's radar really locked into, you know, and I think that, you know, in Some ways, what we did at Meat Eater was a rite of passage for Joe and for other guests that we brought on and for really anyone who learns how to hunt. You know, honestly, I think the conversation when I started Everyman and it was about men specifically, it wasn't. It wasn't like a home run from my understanding. It wasn't a home run in Joe's head. Right. Yeah. We need all these dudes to go out in the woods together and feel their feelings. Like it wasn't. He didn't, like, become a. A massive force behind that idea. But. But I think the. The rites of passage and the working with young men, there was something in it that. That sparked for him, for sure.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure. Well, it certainly resonated with a lot of people that heard you on that episode and many people that I've talked to and talked to since. And obviously, you know, through the retreats and the groups and the multiple states worth of Everyman groups that I joined, I mean, it made a huge impact. So, you know, kudos for going on and people heard it for sure. So.

[Dan Doty]

No, thanks, man. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And then. Yeah, lastly, I just wanted to cover what it. The actual experience was like going to the studio and kind of being on the show itself because, you know, I think a lot of our guests, I mean, our listeners have wondered, you know, it's a pretty high pressure moment. I mean, you've done a lot of. You've been on television and done these different things, but it's like, it's. That's kind of big. Big deal, you know?

[Dan Doty]

Yeah. You know, it was interesting. So the first time I went on with Remy and it. It felt like a big deal, but it. It didn't feel like it was about the new show that we created. We were doing it together, you know, Remy and I kind of. I. I produced and directed it. He was the host, so he had a little bit more of a leading, you know, role on the interview. It was. I was. That felt pretty comfortable. I mean, I remember being nervous, and I think that was certainly the. I think that was part of the first podcast I was ever on. Yeah, it certainly was, but it didn't. Yeah. Yeah. That first one with, remember, was the first podcast I'd ever been on. Yeah, but. But I don't know, it didn't. It didn't fuck me up too bad. The second one, we were literally, I was driving a truck through the desert and we were just cruising and having a conversation, so that didn't feel too intense. But the third time, after I had Started Everyman and had something more at stake. It felt like there was more at stake. Right? Like I was kind of putting myself out into the world. Yeah, man, I was shaking like a. I was shaking like a leaf in the wind, man. I was. I was nervous and, yeah, very nervous. Kind of went into a bit of a. I don't know, I don't think I was disassociated, but a little bit of out of body experience during it, you know, his audience wasn't near what it is now, but it was still massive. It was still the biggest podcast in the world, you know, and. Or at least I think it was. So, yeah, it was nerve wracking, man.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, huge.

[Dan Doty]

But he's so easy to talk to, you know, and it's so, like, it's a little bit surreal, but it's also just like sitting in somebody's like, pretty cool living rooms, you know, and then

[Adam Thorne]

the time period, too. I mean, again, it goes to three hours. Of all the years of podcasting that I've done, I don't think that I've done anything that went over like an hour and a half. And it still astounds me that he is able to just kind of have the stamina to work for that long. But it just seemed like, and you can answer this better for sure than me, but is it one of those things that once it gets going, once you get over that, like, hour, hour 20 mark, that you're just kind of fully into it, like, you just lock in and then it's all go. Or you just always kind of in that moment of nerves?

[Dan Doty]

No, the nerves go away. At least they did for me. And. And I don't think it took an hour. I don't remember exactly, but, you know, I mean, it's. It's like. It's like a psychedelic trip a little bit, you know, where the entry is a little bit intense and then you're just like, all right, this is what we're doing, man. There's like no turning back. There's no, you know, it doesn't do any good to. To get nervous or tense about it. You just gotta, like, hit the gas and roll with it, you know?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, fantastic. Well, that's awesome. And I really appreciate you coming on and kicking off this series of previous guests on Rogan. And yeah, we're going to do a second part to this and you have something introduced, so I'm really looking forward to hearing about that.

[Dan Doty]

Right on, man. Thank you.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, thanks, Dan.

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