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Nick
Hey guys and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. Today we are reviewing Timber Chat. Good old Tim from Tennessee. Today I'm joined by my good buddy from lesser known operators, Nick. What's cracking?
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Host
Happy to be here. I'm actually here with lesser known Frenchie as well. Today you can't see my French bulldog. People were saying they needed more pictures of my Frenchie so he's got his own page now. Lesser known Frenchies.
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Nick
Fantastic. How's the viewership on the dogs page?
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Host
He's got a couple hundred followers now, which is wild. And all he does is collect royalties off of the poultry. Couple dollars a month that I make. So we're gonna get him. I think we're gonna get him stickers soon because I think those will be a lot more popular than my sticker.
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Nick
But I like it.
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Host
We'll see. We'll see.
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Nick
Yeah, he's a cute dog all right. So what was your feel of Tim?
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Host
Tim's A good old boy, huh?
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Nick
Huh?
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Host
Seems a good old boy from the South. I. Okay. So all the material that came out in the episode, and they skipped over. God, they just. Like the. A rock just skipping over the water. They skipped over the most interesting part of the episode like it wasn't even a thing. And I'm going to read it to you right here. Right.
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Nick
Oh, go on.
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Host
Peace. He said, my dad's commander was Chesty puller. Do you know who that is?
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Nick
No.
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Host
Chesty Puller is the most decorated Marine in the history of the United States Marine Corps. No, sir. He is a legend. Not just in the Marines, in the United States military. And I'm gonna read you a couple things here. He's the most decorated Marine in U.S. history, known for earning five Navy Crosses and one Distinguished Service Cross. For those listening, at is the only medal that is below the Medal of Honor. So he earned six medals that are once removed from the Medal of honor. Serving 37 years of service, including the Banana Wars, World War II and Korea. Known for his bulldog personality, he was an iconic combat leader who championed grit and frontline leadership. This man that is. And I wish they would have went into it. That was by far the most important part of the show. And they didn't touch on it at all. And. Because when he said, my dad is chesty puller, and he started talking about his buddies sitting around the house telling stories, I went. I got goosebumps. I was like, that is the coolest thing. You just. To be a fly on the wall and listen to some of those. I mean, they would be horrific stories and terrible things, but those men actually went to hell and came back and sat in the parlor room in Tennessee and told stories at one time. And that would have been something to hear, any one of those. Any little tidbit, and they just skipped over it and started talking about the government fucking us and aliens,
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Nick
which is what Rogan fans want to listen to anyway. Come on, now.
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Host
No, they don't. Look at the numbers. There was only a million views on this episode as compared to the next one after. It had like four or five.
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Nick
Oh, that's true. That's true. I guess it's like politician stuff. People are like, ah, another fucking politician. And like you were saying before the part, it's like, even when somebody sounds honest and, you know, speaks the right words, like, oh, I don't trust the government, too, and they lie to us. And I'm like, but you are the government.
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Host
Correct. Grain of salt.
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Nick
Yeah. So, I mean, what does it Say about him coming from such a pedigree, I mean being raised by a man like that must do something pretty impressive.
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Host
Probably pretty straight and narrow. You know, the modern era generation tend to swing the other way, rebel against however the household was. But I doubt that was a thing in the household he was raised in. It doesn't seem like it from listening to him. Seems like a pretty straight and narrow guy. I enjoyed his stories and the way he told things, but I listened to this episode at 180% speed to get through it because, you know, I wait till the last minute. So. But no, again, a good old boy that probably really is out to represent his people from the district he is in. And I didn't have an icky feeling listening to him. So I guess, does that count for anything?
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Nick
I guess what hit me and like, you know, you're a military guy and the more of you guys that I talk to there, there is this kind of built in frustration and distrust with the government. And I wonder if that. Right. I wonder if that trickled down heavily for him, you know, with everything his dad went through. And then he kind of brings that energy to politics maybe.
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Host
I think there was, there is because of the information flow, the access to technology and all these things. And we're so connected now. We know more about the things we're not being told about the government. Back in those days, you know, whatever your commander told you was all the information you were going to get, whatever was on the three news channels, that's all you were going to get. There was nothing outside the newspapers.
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Nick
Right.
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Host
In those years as well. And then in the region of the country that you're raised in. So our distrust has only grown as technology has become more prevalent and our access information and then contradicting statements and realizing that you're just being lied to all the time. And that just grows and grows and grows. And now we have AI so you can't even trust what you're seeing now because that's getting so good. They can fake voices, they can fake videos, and that just has continued to grow. So I think that would have been a lesson, a thing back then because you believe in what the government's putting out to you. You're believing this ra ra ra faith in the government and things like that, that's only grown through time. So I believe he has seen the breadth of that where it was total trust in what was put out when he was a kid to now, no trust at all. And now he's seeing that firsthand as A member of the government, the controlling party.
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Nick
Yeah, Yeah. I actually met him once when I was living in Knoxville. I went to a crawfish, like, barbecue thing, and he showed up later, and I was actually, like, really excited to get a chance to talk to him, because of course I was going to talk his ear off about UAPs, because I know he's that guy. And in the end, all I got to say is, like, hey, nice to meet you. And he said a few things and just, you know, he was saying hi to, like, a hundred people, so. But yeah, he's. He seemed like a cool guy to me. I mean, just watching him just kind of interact, go through the crowd. He had a hot wife, too, I'll give him that.
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Host
I mean, that's always a bonus. I say when I go out and places I'm not one to, the people are just going to be beholden to talk to and just come up to me and talk to me, but they will come and talk to this fluffy French bulldog. So if you got a hot wife that. That just breaks the ice and gets you in. Into conversation a lot better. You can work a crowd a lot better if you've got a sidekick. Right?
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Nick
That's it. It really works. But back to the, like, the whole idea of, like, this government mistrust and the rest of it. So they're talking about, this is the week of disclosure, like, a big push. They've released a bunch of files and videos and grainy footage and just more bullshit. And, you know, while you were talking about AI and how AI exists now, it's like, look, if this stuff had come out in the mid-90s, I would be way more interested in this grainy footage. It's like, oh, look at that thing that you can barely see zipping around in this black and white radar screen or whatever. That looks crazy. And now we already have drones. So even if they tell us this video footage is from 20 years ago, I mean, we have drones now that would, like, zip around, you know, you can't tell the scale of these things. We also have AI. It's like any of that stuff could be faked, of course. And to release it all in the middle of this Iran bullshit that's going on and the Epstein files, and it's. It's just like. It just stinks of distraction.
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Host
Okay, yeah, there's always something. I think that's a news cycle thing, though, because everything is contrived and you're getting it from these businesses that are for profit. So they have to get you to listen to their program and they've got to say whatever they have to say to get you to pay attention. We're in the clickbait generation and it doesn't matter if it's true or not. So if they get you angry and they get you to click on it, then they get your views and then they can sell ad space and then they can make their money, right? So as it comes to believing, not believing, and all this other stuff, right? What is it from Green Beret of Shamanism. My buddy here, he wrote this book, right? Green Beret. And he founded his own religion in Utah and he does these ceremonies with Acacia. It's similar to ayahuasca, right?
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Host
book and I said, matt, you know what? That was great. I really enjoyed it. I 100% believe and don't believe everything in that book. And he goes, that's a new one. I haven't heard that one yet. And he's like, what do you mean? I was like, I. I believe all of that's true. And I also don't because I don't live in that reality. Everything they put out, I just. I believe it's true too. And everybody that's got their religion over here, sure, that's true as well. Everything's true because as long as somebody believes it, it's true to them. So that's their reality. And you have to navigate through all these things. That's why being a politician is so hard. You represent people that believe things 100% one way and 100% the other way. And now we've got all of this video and these accounts and all of this other stuff. And it's so confusing to where now you can have plausible deniability on anything that's released now, because you can just say, oh, that's AI. Oh, that's fake. That's not real. That wasn't me. That's not me stealing those TVs. You know, that's AI. It's a strange time, man.
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Nick
Yeah. And I mean, when you kind of have all these different beliefs, how do you think, like, they brought up Christianity in there. He's a Christian. Some people have been saying that, like, these UAPs are like demons or fallen angels. There's like this overlap where it just seems like people are really trying to justify their religion and then tie it into this somehow.
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Host
You have to rethink your whole life. If your religion collapses, you'll have to rethink every. Your whole. People's entire personalities are based off of what they believe. And if that crumbles, do you know what that'll do to a person? That if everything falls apart and it's proved to be otherwise, they could. People kill themselves over a lot less than that. And religion and money and world control is all tied to these things, and it could all come crashing down. People will go to the. We've. We've started wars for less, haven't we right?
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Nick
Yeah, yeah. We may have started one. The COVID of the Epstein files. Who knows? Allegedly. What do you think this does for the, like the religious base then if they start pushing this stuff out, I mean, I feel like they've got two options. One, keep denying it it's just some bullshit or somehow find a way to incorporate it in.
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Host
And what's the definition of faith we've got? Faith is belief without proof. Right. I believe that's it. I'll probably get crucified for that. But so people have faith and so if you are a full true believer in a religion, then you will. There's a reason for everything. Insha', Allah, as the Muslims say. Right. If God wills it. So this is just another action of God's plan, a greater being and everything will fit into it. So there's always a, there's always a for some reason for something happening. So as you said, you go right to the comments and the top comment is these are just demons and go, okay, so that's, that's how that gets explained and then on to the next thing. So whatever comes out there will be a story to make it all part of the plan. And that's how it's been for every advance in technology and every bump in the road for every religion along the way. And that's not going to be any different now.
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Nick
Yeah, this seems like a big wrench in the works though to pull it in. It's like other things seem that you can add them in and explain it a bit easier. But this one is really odd to add to the narrative. It's like they're going to have to make some big excuses for why the hell aliens exist or they won't.
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Host
Are people going to be smart enough to understand it? Are people going to also accept any of that? Because it's hard to accept anything that you're told now because it's coming from the government. Distrust is at an all time high. It could be fake, this could be a false thing. Unless people physically see it for themselves, it's going to be hard to get people to believe it 100% exists. Especially with grainy video and the way things are now.
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Nick
Yeah, what did you think about? And this one comes up quite often and this seems to be the most compelling bit of either footage or documentation that, that some of these politicians in these skiffs can get a hold of. But this footage of this giant underwater craft that's like the size of a football field going at like 400 knots or whatever, which is like you know, according to physics, like impossible to do underwater. Like what, what do you make of something like that? And also how, how have more people not seen something like this? That seems like you wouldn't miss that.
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Host
It would be all over the place, man. For a couple months, until I ran out of shows, I would fall asleep to these. I would call them like B level because there's, there's your superior tier documentaries and then your A and then B and then C is the ones that are just thrown together with all the old footage from all the other ones. Right. So they're like B level documentaries. One hour and they've got person after person on these shows talking about their stories and you're like, are all these people making it up from all of these places all over the country? And then if you start talking to normal people, everybody, every, you know, hundredth person might have a story. It's just. Is it being censored out by the technology now of stuff? I don't think it's as uncommon because everybody's seen something they, they can't explain. Right, Right. Like I've a couple times in my life I've seen something I like, I don't know if that was real or not. I don't know if that was a dream or not. I've done another. I've done things twice for the first time. Like I've had a dream and then it happened exactly like it happened in the dream, in the past, in the future. Right. So how do I explain that? How do I explain some of these things that happen where I go, was that real? Am I hallucinating? I could explain away with traumatic brain injury and some things like that, but I can't explain doing something twice where I know I did it in the past. So I don't know if these things are as uncommon as we think they are. But. And Rogan, he's had people on the show that have explained to, in, to finite detail that we're in a simulation. Right, Right. So you factor all that people in and now you've got this guy coming on and we're at the age of disclosure. Well, what's true here is this a mesh in between. We're in a simulation. Is this programs overriding? Are we in different realities? Are there, is it a reset? Are these, are vampires real? Is Sasquatch out there? Like, because some people have seen Sasquatch, but, but other people haven't. Are we, Is nothing real? Is everything real? Is half of it? If half of it's real, then that's crazy, too, right? So I don't. I don't. Again, I go back to. I believe all of it and none of it at the same time.
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Nick
And then it also brings in that along that lines, like the Mandela effect thing. Have you ever looked into that?
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Host
A little bit. Yeah.
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Nick
And just this idea that we're on maybe a different timeline than we were before, because certain things in the past have changed. And they give you some examples. Like, what is it? Sinbad's movie Shazam doesn't exist. And then the Monopoly guy doesn't have a monocle. And everyone.
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Host
Bernstein bears.
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Nick
Yeah, the. Some of those things are very strange. And it's like, is that just some sort of, like, group, like, memory issue, or do we get pulled into. It is like somebody reminds us that something looked away, and we're like, I think it did. But nobody's really can hold onto it all that strongly.
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Host
There's a movie called. Is it Annihilation or Apocalypse? Anyway, it doesn't matter.
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Nick
The.
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Host
The main character, Natalie Portman, she says in the movie, she goes, if I were to pick your body apart with tweezers, one atom at a time, you're not comprised of anything that's alive, right? Life comes from completely dead things of electricity, right? Nothing. So you go down to the smallest level that we can see, and there's nothing there, right? So what does that mean? Does that mean nothing is real? Or is this a. Is this a program made of electricity? Is all of this real? And you just start going down this rabbit hole of, why is this different? Why is that? And it's, you know, other people are using that for their profit and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all on down the road, right? And then you get distracted, and then you sit there and go, well, what is real? And it's like, well, this. Me and you having this conversation, this is real. And we're picking apart other people's perceptions of reality and what they go through. And go, if I understand it, is that going to make my life any better? Is it going to change how I feel about my family and my career and everything? No. Is technology made my life more convenient? I'm a little more comfortable, but I'm not more comfortable than I was 25 years ago. And so we're chasing things that distract us from man.
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Nick
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Host
Our version of happiness in life, I think, and it's killing us.
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Nick
Yeah, well, it definitely stresses a lot of people out potentially. And that's always the concern. It's like you start to go down these rabbit holes and into this kind of conspiracy world, and it can overtake, you know, the more important things in life, which is just like you're saying, just having a real conversation or just.
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Host
You're a therapist, right? You've got to know that people are paralyzed by some of these things that you're. We're never going to find the answer to.
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Nick
Yeah, of course, of course. And it comes back to that whole serenity prayer thing. It's like, you know, only worry and tackle the things that you can change. Don't worry. Try not to worry about things that are out of your control. But it's like, that's really everything we're taught to be concerned about. Like, the news comes on and it doesn't say, hey, you should take care of your mental health today or you should go to the gym. Like, you work harder or, you know, care for your family more. It's like, look at what's happening the other side of the world that you have nothing to do with. And look how terrible this is.
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Host
Because somebody on the other side of the world can cause the extinction of our species if they want to. And that's a real thing that can happen. Is there anything you can do about it? Absolutely not. No. Absolutely not. But we get back to it, to the extinction. Maybe this outside entity from another universe or from another solar system or planetary whatever can do something about it. And they go, stop it. You know, and they're like, you better, you better get your together or we're going to take over and you're not going to like it if we take over. So. But can anybody do anything about that? No. And is it the government's responsibility to keep this from us for monetary gain? No, they're not supposed to do that. But we have abdicated that ability to choose for ourselves because we have elected officials and the elected officials, once they're in power, they can do whatever they want. Because you can't take everybody's opinion, you can't do, make everybody happy that you represent. Have you ever been in a, in a, in a Facebook group where everybody's allowed to comment on the thread? Have you ever been in one like that?
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Nick
Yeah, of course.
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Host
And you know how every conversation somehow gets toxic in the comments, right? So if politicians were had remotely had to listen to their constituents, it would get like that. It would be this toxic mix of people always giving their opinions and fighting and then they wouldn't be able to do. So they don't have to listen to any of them. So they have to do what's either best for them or best for what they think is for the state and that's what they're going to do. So if their job is to keep the government running, and that's non disclosure or hold out until people, it won't disrupt society, that's what they're going to do. Whether to keep their friends, businesses making money or to keep the government rolling along and the population from revolting, they're going to do that as well.
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Nick
Yeah, in that same vein as what the politicians have to deal with. They talked about with these pilots that have been seeing these crafts for God knows how long yet as soon as they mention it, they get pulled off the, what do you call it, the flight line or whatever and then they have to go in for a psych evaluation. Right. So it just becomes this massive pain in the ass. Now were there pressures similar to that that you faced in the military?
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Host
So have I had any experiences like that in the military? No, I have not. I also, yeah, no, I have had some noises and some things move in the dark that I couldn't explain when I was out doing land nav, but other than that, no. No. There's some hills have eyes, people out in the woods of North Carolina that follow you around like they're going to eat you. But luckily I made it out alive.
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Nick
I just meant more like pressures to report something happening and, and then not like our mutual friend Aaron said that he's had some stories of just kind of like sloppy safety protocol stuff. And, you know, there's a lot going on in those sorts of missions and activities and trainings. And at the end of the day, there's just going to be a ton of blowback, you know, bunch of documentation, and they. They just notice that, like, it's just easier not to mention this or brush this over.
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Host
No, I don't think I've had anything like that. I've, you know, heard some. A few stories here and there, but as soon as you make something an issue, it becomes an issue in the United States military and they have to run it down until somebody tells them to stop. So I can absolutely see people just, nope, I didn't see shit. There's a funny story about this. This is terrible, actually. But, you know, he's an MP on a military base and he pulled somebody over for dui, like one hour until shift change. And then he gets him to the jail and starts processing him and all this paperwork stuff. And by the time he's done, he's seven hours past when his shift was supposed to start. He's got to go home and sleep and then start shift in four more hours or some shit like that, right? And so from then on, he said, I ain't pulling anybody over unless they get in an accident. And see that's not. That's not safe for the public. But he's like, I don't. I'm not working past my shift anymore. So. And that's just a MP on a military base going, well, I'm not going to do my job because it. I have to do my job longer. Right? So. And then you scale that up to, I'm not going to make a mistake. This could ruin my career. You know, I'm not. I'm not going to say jack, I didn't see jack shit because I just want to go home and to my wife and kids and have a nice day and drink my beer and have a nice life. So if you see something that's you and gonna adversely affect your career or your quality of life, it's oftentimes best to keep it to yourself.
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Nick
Yeah, I can imagine that that would be the case for sure. And, you know, and I think that with cops too, like, imagine how many cops out there are just towards the end of their shift and if something just flies by them and they're like, I'm going home. And 20 minutes, I'm exhausted. I'm not dealing with this. I mean, in a way, like, it's easy to judge and just be like, that's outrageous. You've always got to do your job. But then also their jobs are hard and they're exhausted.
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Host
The linchpin or the failure point of every career is the humans, is the people you put in there. Humans are emotional and they make decisions based on emotion and how they feel, based if they're hungry or they've had a fight with their spouse or anything like that. Any number of things. Actually, all of the things affect how somebody makes a decision. So. But that's, that's life. Sometimes you're lucky, sometimes you're unlucky. So, yeah, it's. That's just the way the way things are. And I guess to apply this to this, I lost. I lost my thought also, as I just said that. So now I'm going to have to kick it back over to you.
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Nick
Well, I mean, let's go over to the Matt Gates thing. And he talked about Matt putting a lot of pressure on the military because he. Or military personnel that had all of this, or at least they think this information on the UAPs and they were quick to dismiss them. Probably like every new administration that comes in, you know, some are asking, some don't. But then you've got a couple of these politicians and him saying, hey, I'm interested, tell us about this. And obviously their job for every administration is just ignore it, distract it, turn them in a different direction. But it sounded like he was able to put a lot of pressure in that direction and make them nervous. How far do you think that they can really get? It's like they must have a lot of control, these powerful military people, to just ignore these politicians that are asking questions.
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Host
All right, so the military, when we say military personnel, the military is a chain of command, right? And the top, top seat in that is the president. President is the commander in chief. He is the highest ranking person in the United States military. So if somebody comes to your base that you're a commander of, that commander is beholden to somebody else. There's always some general or someone higher than you. So if somebody comes asking for stuff you're not supposed to tell them, you just defer them to the next guy and then that guy will defer you to the next guy until. Until it makes it all the way to the top or to make it or to somebody who can make a decision and they say and give them what they want or kick them off the base or something like that. So he was probably asking the right questions and knew the right Person, and that person might be in the president where the president said, give him whatever the fuck he wants to shut him up or something like that. Right? Because he doesn't have. So he asked the right things to get to the right person to give him the information. And if you don't do that, they're going to tell you to get bent. So, yeah, he knew what he was talking about. You can make people nervous all you want, but you follow your orders as per the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And if you don't follow that, you can get court martial. You lose your rank, you lose your pension, you get retired, you get sent to Leavenworth. You can go to fucking jail for treason or some shit like that. So if this person's not in your chain of command, you don't have to listen to them. So if you can deflect and then if it comes back down that you have to listen to him, then you tell them. But if he doesn't, then you don't. Kind of a muddy answer there.
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Nick
Yeah, but no, I get what you're saying and, but I get. I guess there is a point where the pressure can be so much. I mean, they talk about like subpoenaing these guys or like putting them in a position where they have to say something. So they're kind of like in a catch 22. They have to do what they've been told, their orders, but they also really can't break the law. Right?
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Host
Yeah. Disclosing classified information is fucking. Unless the people you're talking to have the correct clearance and they're read on. And then you're in the proper facility that you can. There's certain rooms like Skiff, right. Secures now I forget the acronym, but there's some things you can only talk about in a skiff or in a fucking briefing room or in us with the right people. So you can threaten people in the military with subpoenas all you want, and then you get them there. And if they get into the room and there's people not read on with the right security, they still can't fucking tell them. So there's, there's always a catch to some of these things. And again, if you get the right person to say fucking tell them, then they'll tell you. But okay, they're going to do it because, okay, this person authorized it. So this person that's telling me to give this information is taking responsibility for me divulging this information. So, yeah, chain of command and information command, but disclosing class that's the. That is. That is really. I give a brief before I do my show, and I say, hey, the only thing the United States military can come after you for in retirement is talking about future operations and divulging national security, like, classified information. They will bring you back to active duty and prosecute you if you say the wrong. So that's. No, don't do that.
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Nick
Well, saying that. I mean, you interview a lot of people, and you interview, you know, primarily, like, military. Ex military people. What would happen if they brought up something on your podcast and you weren't even, like, really aware that they shouldn't be talking about that? Can they pull you in on this?
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Host
They could. I could, yeah. Yes, you can be prosecuted. Now, the right person would have to listen to it, and then that would have to get to another right person. But once it's on the Internet, it's forever, right? There's generally 20 years, is the number that's always brought up for operations being, you know, declassified. I had Perry Blackburn on my show, episode 10, I believe it was. I was so cool. He was one of the original horse soldiers into Afghanistan. And he starts telling a story, and I had just started. I don't know any better, and he's like, you know, we're chasing them, and we're in the mountains of Torah or up there in this shit. And he's like. All of a sudden, my commander calls me on the phone, and we're in the middle of a firefight. And I was like, hey, sir, what is it? And he goes, hey, I just want to let you know that you're in fucking Pakistan and you need to get the fuck out of there. And he's like, roger, that's. Sir. So we turned around and went back to where we were. And so I get to the end of the episode the next day, I was like, that's so cool. Pakistan. I was like, wait, is that classified? Like, are people. So I had to call him and call somebody else and be like, am I okay to post that they accidentally wandered into Pakistan in 2001 won, and we're fighting the Taliban there and. Because I didn't know. So there's a lot of offhand things that we say. They're all classified as well. So, yeah, you can. Twenty years is generally the accepted amount of time, but some stuff isn't. Like, a couple years ago, there was a Medal of Honor recipient. He was a Green Beret, and he got. He. The. The first time he was able to talk about what he did in Laos was when he was named that he was going to get the Medal of Honor because it was totally classified up until 2000, what, 18 or something like that. We weren't even there. And then all of a sudden. Oh, yeah, we were. And this guy saved a bunch of people during a 56 hour firefight or some shit like that in the, in the jungles of Laos, and now he's getting the Medal of Honor. So now it's okay. So. Yeah. Yeah, man, that shit's. That's just real.
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Nick
Yeah. And I can't imagine there's like a hotline you can call to be like, hey, real quick, is this classified? Because that also kind of confirms it.
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Host
I don't know if a hotline, but there are channels that you would use. I mean, I would start with a public affairs officer and then they would push me off to the other person or they'd say, no, no, you're fine until you get to the right thing. And then you just hold off on it. If you, if you're suspicious of something. But some people don't care also. And what's going to come of it, because. So there's deniability. Yeah. So to answer your original question, can, can the government come after you? The government's only going to come after you if they know they're going to win. So if you, if you give them ammunition to beat you, they're going to do it. And so just don't, don't give them that. So that's why him today, or listening to his podcast, you know, he would, he would catch himself and stop and think about a statement before he said it, because he's even, even members of Congress, they'll come after them if you say something you're not supposed to, right?
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Nick
Yeah. Especially around UAP stuff, because obviously Burchett has had access to a lot of things and he probably has to, in the moment, compartmentalize. Oh, this is what I can say. This is what I know. And I definitely can't talk about X, Y and Z, even though Rogan's asking that question. Like, you know, what did you see? What is this? What's your thoughts on the. And this has been in the news recently, these missing scientists. Right. So they're mostly propulsion physicists. I think there's like 12 of them that have gone missing and in pretty unusual circumstances. Like they leave the house, they've left their wallet, all they have is, you know, one guy left his glasses and just took off. Somebody goes missing in the middle of a hike like this one Just seems so bizarre and also so like just rampant for conspiracy. What's your take on all that?
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Host
So, yeah, the far one side of crazy, right? Fucking aliens are abducting them, right? Go as far on one side as you can and that's good. And then you start going into the more rational. If somebody who is very rich and very powerful, once you dead, you're going to die, there's nothing going to protect you from that. If anybody who has enough means, access and placement and money says I want this person to go, that's it, they're going to go. There's, there's no police. The police are not out here to keep you alive. They're not here to protect you. They're. They're here to prevent or stop crime or investigate crime. So if a billionaire, I think even Elon Musk has said this, right, A billionaire could absolutely kill somebody if they wanted to and get away with it. There's a lot of foreign actors out there. There's a lot of private contractors. As much as people say there's not hitmen, there are. So if somebody wants to keep whatever those scientists were working on a secret, the easiest way is just to get rid of those people. And some of them may have just seen a pattern and fucking left town. And they're smart enough because they're probably pretty smart, right? They're smart enough to just drop off the face of the earth and leave clues so that maybe nobody's going to come looking for them. And some of them are probably dead and we're never going to find them. So I look at the rational thing. The easiest answer is probably the correct one, right?
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Nick
Yeah, I mean, well, look, the answer that they give for most of these people is like suicide, right? Yet all of their families are screaming no chance. And even some of these people warned before they went missing that people were after them all their life was in jeopardy. And it's, it's a very bizarre one and also terrifying. Like you said, to think that like hitman exist and that they can do this. They can just wipe it off and do it so blatantly too.
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Host
If. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it's blatant. We're talking about it and speculating on what happened. So we don't know. You don't have a name, you don't have a place, you don't have a trial, you don't have a body. They're just gone. Right. Or that's. Or it's suicide. So maybe, maybe it is. Maybe fearful. But 12 times, I don't know. That seems a little bit ridiculous. Yeah.
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Nick
Is it beyond coincidence at that point, how many times before you're like, wait
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Host
a second, A two. Two is. Two is two times. At two times, you start. Start noticing a pattern. You know the old Russian KGB saying there's no such thing as coincidence, Right?
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Nick
Yeah. Yeah.
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Host
If you. If you see somebody twice, they're. Okay. So the rule is if you see somebody three times, they're following you. One, Once is normal, twice is a coincidence, three times, they're following you. And that's what you are taught in surveillance. Right? But if something keeps happening and developing a pattern, then there's probably something else going on there or there's something. There's something that government wants to keep. You can speculate all day, but again, you go back to what this. What does Nick think here in his basement? Right? I don't know, man. There's nothing I can do about that. I am resigned to the fact that I'm only alive because people allow that to happen. That there's some dude on the other side of the earth that's not pushing the nuke button and allowing me to live. There is no exploring past this life. I'm going to live and I'm going to die. And there's nothing I have to accomplish in life that's going to change that. I've had a bunch of money. I've had no money. I've been extremely depressed and I've been extremely happy. And I'm just going to live out my life. And if all of this bad shit happens, that's going to be fine, too. If the nukes start flying, that's fine. There's nothing I can do about that. These scientists disappearing, there's nothing I can do about that. I can't worry about that. But I think we've gone into it on another episode of the show. I have a unique view on life in that it's just. It doesn't matter. Right? I just want to not be miserable. I want to not be depressed. And I want my friends to stop killing themselves. And that's what I focus on and I try not to get too much into the news cycle of. Of whatever gets to me because whatever gets to me through the news is not true. I. It's not right?
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Nick
Yeah, yeah. And. And thank God you're not a propulsion physicist as well.
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Host
Otherwise I'd be in the mountains up where you just vacated from. I'd be gone, man. If I worked at NASA, I'd be gone. You know, you ain't gonna find me at all.
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Nick
I wonder if a lot of them are just kind of doing something similar or, you know, I don't even know what you would do. It's like just be afraid.
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Host
Answer this question. Outside of the obvious, do you know what a propulsion scientist at NASA actually does?
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Nick
No.
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Host
Neither do I.
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Nick
Something with propulsion.
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Host
Probably a lot of math and physics and all kinds of shit. There might be something else going on there. Whatever is being released that these people were doing might be something else completely that was going on. So whatever's getting to us is not true. And there's a second, third, fourth order effects, there's covers, there's all kinds of fucking shit that gets put out to the media and there's something else going on there and we're never gonna know. And if we do get it, we're going to pass it off as that's fake too. So you're right.
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Nick
Yeah. And talking about like people going missing or you know, contract killers and the rest of it, what is your take on and when we're finish up with this? Because they touched on it, the Trump assassination attempts from the first one. So the first one's getting a lot of talk now about it being fake. Right. Oh, his ear was fine, there was only a little bit of blood, they lowered the flag, blah, blah, blah. But then also someone died. Two people died. And then we've had multiple attempts since then. Like this is unprecedented in the modern era for presidents.
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Host
All right, so you're at a rally and shooter takes a shot at your head. Rogan is correct in what he said there. To try and make that shot and not hit somebody, just nick somebody. Extremely, extremely difficult. And then the bullet continues on and then hits somebody. So there was a projectile there. How did that person get access to that? Excellent vantage point. It's a bit suspicious and a little outside of my area expertise. But if law enforcement or the agencies that are in charge of security failure to fail to correctly employ their tactics, techniques and procedures, then mistakes are going to be made and they have continually failed to do what they're supposed to do because these things Start happening now. That was the only one to get into a close enough to kill him. Right. The other one was. The other ones have been stopped at the first perimeter. Outer perimeter. Right. So again, there's stuff going on that I probably, probably don't know and don't understand. But as I just said a few minutes ago, if a pattern starts going on, then something else bigger and more sinister might be at play. But to take a shot at somebody's ear and just nick their ear and call it fake. It's possible, because it did happen, that he took the shot and that did happen. But to do it on purpose, highly unlikely. Without hitting, Hitting the person in the head.
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Nick
Yeah. And even to fake it, I mean. Okay, so let's say that it was set up, right? Let's go down that rabbit hole just for a second. It was set up. Trump had a little blood packet, you know, red etch up that he was going to squirt on his ear. They were like, it just. That one is beyond my capability to even attempt to believe when two people died in the mix of it. That's so dark and disturbing. Now, I'm sure, like you said, there are hitmen out there, governments are up to all sorts of no good all over the world. But that one right in front of your face on TV and set it up just so someone could become president, that one's completely implausible.
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Host
Yeah, but government is only good at one thing. And I've said this, when it comes to the military and when it comes to the government, the United States government is only good at one thing, and that's killing people. And it doesn't matter if it's its own citizens or citizens of another country. That is the only thing we're good at. So if somebody had it out for Trump and their best shot at trying to kill him was killing a couple people in the crowd, those people aren't real. They don't care about them at all. So what's collateral damage? It's not anything. So. It's quite the leap, right, to come up with a story to discount somebody else's story. So if this is thing actually happened and there was nothing nefarious in it. Right. Well, we're in politics. This is politics. So the other side has to spin a story for this attempt to be in their favor. Right. And what is the best way to spit in a terrible thing happening into their favor? Say the other side just faked it. So they could just be saying that or it could be true. So again, we go back to what's true, what's not true, just because if one side actually believes that they faked it, then that side believes that. And that's what their voters and that's what their constituents are going to go off of and that's what's going to feed the news and that's what's going to sell ad space and that's what makes the network's money. I'm very cynical this episode. I don't know how you get me like this because I'm very even killed in real life.
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Nick
Like pick all the best episodes for
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Host
you that you, you always fucking trick me. And I, we, you know, we let off with all of this negativity. I hate being in getting in the negativity. But you know what people need to do? They need to be watching those infomercials late at night and buying gold from Randy the Gold miner and for 49.99 a tenth of an ounce and burying it in the backyard like real Americans. And then they'll be a lot happier.
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Nick
We'll put a link in the bio to a gold buying site that we, that we approve of and that's a good plan for the future. Anyway. Look, all I know about it is that if somebody wanted him gone, that how did they not get a better shooter then, right? It's just somebody with like a pretty shit gun kind of. From what I've heard, there isn't really set up for that sort of thing. And the whole thing is just quirky to me. It's so unusual. And you know, it's like, wouldn't it have been a professional sniper guy?
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Host
I don't know. I don't know. Those people are expensive and they generally don't.
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Nick
It was a budget, a budget assassination.
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Host
They generally. Professionals don't want to die after they carry out a professional act, do they?
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Nick
That's true.
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Host
The episode talked about MK Ultra and mind control and brainwashing people and getting people to do what you want them to do, right? So everybody is beholden to someone and you can get anybody to do anything for the right, either the right amount of leverage or the right amount of money. And that's probably why people don't like Trump, because he's crazy and he just does whatever he wants to do, right? And while he's in, he's going to continue to do whatever he wants to do and then he's going to retire and go play golf and just piss people off by being alive. Right?
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Nick
And be very rich doing it.
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Host
Yeah, yeah.
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Nick
Well, look, I'M interested to see what the rest of this disclosure stuff does. What we see, if it's anything better than grainy footage, I doubt it. It's going to be a lot of redacted bullshit, like usual. Um, but again, it's just so interesting to me that I'm like. And it's fun that I hope that we get to see some more things. And I'm glad that Tim's out there kind of pushing that narrative, even if a lot of people now are just thinking it's a big distraction and a bit of a waste of time. But he's been working on this for a long time and it, it's, it just, it's fascinating. So we'll see. And it just adds a lot of credibility to Bob Lazar's whole story. And then, you know, you're like, oh, shit, we are reverse engineering things. What the hell does that mean? Did we even invent anything ever? Probably not. We just took it from spaceships.
- [58:12]
Host
Who fucking cares? If you listen to this episode this far, take some time and go look up Chesty Puller's ghost from the United States Marine Corps and learn something about history, about a fucking hard individual that did some crazy shit.
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Nick
I like it.
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Host
That's what you should get from this one.
- [58:29]
Nick
Yeah. All right, Nick. Well, thank you for your time and for everybody listening. We appreciate you. Go check out this episode with Tim and we will talk to you next time.
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