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Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Well, welcome to our brand new church sanctuary that we haven't had our first service in. You've been in the unfinished sanctuary downstairs. This is the what's going to be our first sanctuary upstairs while they cut the roof off across the hall here and turn that into a balcony. So this is the more or less thousand seater and the down and the next one is the more or less 3000 seater. Hope you enjoy seeing what you're seeing. You're watching a miracle right now, not just the studio. I'm Jonathan Shuttlesworth, welcome to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And I wanted to do a program to respond to some you've heard my uncle that's in the ministry say the devil has no new tricks. It's absolutely the truth. So this was hot maybe 30 years ago or more and it's popping back in again that there is no Israel has been replaced by the church and it's actually getting pushed and pushed more. And I've never hung around in my life with people who believe like that. So if you've never heard me address it in my preaching, it's because I know Catholics believe like that. I know reformed people believe like that. But I've never met anybody who claims to be a spirit filled preacher that believes Israel's been done away with. And so I've been studying today for a good amount of time, as long as I've ever studied on a subject in a day because it was fascinating to me. And if you have been influenced by videos like what you're going to see here, then I'm going to show you what I'm responding to. I felt I owed it to you as your pastor to address this. And if you have been listening to influencers that it's coming out right now aren't necessarily honest. They're being paid to help turn America against the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. So if their words have gotten to you, I would like you to take time to do what I titled this program 21 Things a Serious Christian Should Consider about Israel and the Jewish People. And don't assume you think I know you know what I'm going to say. I want to say as a disclaimer, you're listening to somebody that's never been to Israel. You're listening to somebody that's never worn a yarmulke. I actually heard Dr. Michael Brown in 2003 maybe debate the top Jewish rabbi on Christ and scripture. And it was all Jewish people. And when I walked in, they said, would you like a yarmulke? I said, no, thanks. And the guy looked at me funny. I said, not really a hat person. I stole that line from Stewie Griffin on Family Guy. So I've never worn a yarmulke. I've never been to Israel. I'm not saying I wouldn't go to Israel. I just have never been to Israel. I've never touched the wailing wall. I would need somebody to explain to me why as a born again Christian, your prayers would have any more significance touching the wailing Wall. I don't get with that stuff. I haven't touched the wailing Wall. You didn't catch me at the Azusa street remembrance touching where Azua street happened. I don't like to be around relics. I like to be where God's moving. So I'm. I'm not a. And you know that there's no Israel flag up in, in our church. Now. Two of our churches we lease, but there's not an Israel flag up, to my knowledge. If there is, then the people we're leasing from have it up. I don't even think there's an Israel flag up in the. In the. Our church in California is a Hebrew school and I don't think we have an Israel flag up. So I am not on that. Rah Rah Israel. It doesn't make its way into my preaching. You know, I'm not a pastor. That's like 50% pastor, 50% promoter of the nation of Israel. Anybody that is has followed me for any period of time or you attend revival today church, you know that. So I'm not coming from the place you might think I am because so many times it's either hardcore anti Israel or hardcore Israel can do no wrong. I'm not doing that. I'm coming at you like I come at you from everything from the Bible. 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. So the Bible talks about in the New Testament where Paul warned against Judaizers. They wanted people that Gentiles that got saved. They wanted to make them get circumcised and make them come under Jewish customs. They had to address that. That's in the church now where people want to come back under Judaism, we don't do that. But having said that, you need to make a differentiation as a Christian between understanding that Christ is Savior and Lord and you get saved by repenting of sin and making Jesus Christ your Lord. There doesn't have to be a pilgrimage to, to Israel. You don't have to get dressed up in an outfit. You don't have to wear a prayer shawl. It's by faith. So the redemptive act of Christ and that covenant and understanding it, I'm with you. But if you cross the line and start saying because Christ did his work, that whatever role the Jewish people had in history is over and God has no plan for the nation of Israel, this is a lady that's come on the scene. And I'll tell you, man, you're not dealing with very bright people when you go, who make these arguments against the Jewish people and the nation of Israel from a biblical standpoint. This lady's name, I think is Carrie. Pre Jean, something like that. And this is one of the things that kicked off me wanting to respond to this because the statement you're gonna hear her make is insane. There's no other way to say it. I mean, you can't have a shred of biblical intelligence and say what she's going to say on Tucker Carlson's program. Go ahead and roll it.
Carrie Prejean
I know, I know what the Catholic Church teaches. We are the new Israel. That's what the church teaches. We are the fulfillment.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
So she's right. That is what the Catholic Church teaches. Catholics hate Jews. When I say Catholics hate Jews, you say, I'm Catholic. I don't need. I should rephrase what I said. The Catholic Church hates Jews. Now, I know that sounds harsh, but if you crack open a history book, you'll find out that I'm not lying there. You know, Christ killers. I have Jewish friends and I've had to explain to them that I don't hate them. I'm not Catholic. And then a lot of times you run into this thing where people that are outside of Christianity, they don't understand there's denominations and different teachings. So I know you guys don't like Jews. Like, no, that's Catholics. And so what she's saying, where Catholics began to teach that God got angry at the Jews and has cast them out and now has raised up the church to replace them. She's correct on that. And that teaching, I'm going to show you, has got some serious flaws. Play it from the beginning.
Carrie Prejean
I know, I know what the Catholic Church teaches. We are the new Israel. That's what the church teaches. We are the fulfillment of the old Israel. I mean, look at Jesus fulfilled it all on the cross. There is. He got when he said it is finished. The old was completely done. There is the New covenant. Now, those who are in Christ, that is the new.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
And she's right when it comes to no more animal sacrifice, no more going to a high priest to take your sins and put it on a goat, march it out into the middle of the desert to die for your sins. That old covenant. Now, a lot of what I'm gonna tell you, as you probably would have guessed, is not academic. So I'm not academically debating. I'm gonna tell you some things spiritually too. The eyes are the window to the soul. Now this is subjective, but pop the picture back up. Those are not happy, joy filled, Christ loving eyes. There's no brightness in that eyes. There's a heaviness and oppression. And I don't listen to people who look like that. I listen to people that are full of joy and full of the Holy Ghost. And I don't hear a lot of that on the Jew hating side. They're not generally happy people. The Nazi Germany wasn't generally known for its flourishing stand up comedy scene. It's an oppressive thing and she looks oppressed. And I don't roll it.
Carrie Prejean
People of God, it is very clear. This isn't even debatable. I don't even know why we're.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
It's debatable. It's very debatable. It's not debatable in that studio paid for by Qatar, but outside of that studio it's very debatable. You know, that's a stupid thing to say. Even what I'm saying on this program. I'm not gonna say this isn't debatable. There are people who believe the opposite of me. So, you know, anytime you hear somebody just throw that out there, it's not even debatable. Then why, why say it's not debatable? The sky's blue is not debatable. And about everything besides that is, in fact even that's debatable. Because isn't it like clear and it's a reflection or something? Roll it.
Carrie Prejean
Having this debate, which is why Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan should be like, yeah, it's what we believe. We are the new Israel. The land means nothing anymore. Yes, it's the.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
That's an insane. See, here's the problem. If you got on this kick with Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and her and whoever else you have as the bright lights of your anti Israel movement, if you cross the line and say the Jewish people and the nation of Israel don't matter anymore, you have serious problems from the Bible, particularly with Bible prophecy. You Know when this lady said that I wrote back to her on X, I said, oh, the land of Israel doesn't matter, Carrie. Then where is Jesus going to return to the earth? At the White Castle in Louisville, Kentucky. Why? Jesus did not just rise from the dead. Jesus will return to the earth in bodily form and set up a kingdom. And guess where the headquarters of that kingdom's gonna be? I'll give you a hint. It's not Sri Lanka. It's not the Gold coast of Australia.
Carrie Prejean
Continue means nothing anymore. Yes, it's the Holy Land, but that's not some biblical. What are they gonna. What's scary, Tucker, is these people like Paula White and Ted Cruz and Dan Patrick, they believe that there will be. The Dome of the Rock will be torn down and they will rebuild that third temple. They're saying it now. Look at Pete Hexith. There will be a rebuilding of this temple. It is heretical and it is.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
It's not heretical and it's not unfactual. The Dome of the Rock doesn't have to be taken down for the third Temple to be rebuilt, by the way. But how can you say. It's like they're saying that they're gonna rebuild the third Temple. Yes, they have the blueprints and are going to do it. They've shipped the cows over to do the sacrifices. This has nothing to do with the Bible. These are facts that would be like in 2008, saying. They're saying they're gonna build a new Yankee Stadium. Yes, they are. And they are going to. They are going to build. That's not now, that's not debatable. There is going to be a third Temple that's rebuilt.
Carrie Prejean
Continue is anti Christian. I, I know that because they're going to bring in the animal sacrifices again. And the most anti Semitic thing that they believe is that 2/3 of the Jews are going to be slaughtered. That's what these people believe. They're just manipulating them and using them. They don't really care.
Theological Expert/Guest
Oh, everything you've said is true. I mean, Jesus describes himself as the temple.
Carrie Prejean
Yes.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
So there you go. So then did you wonder, and I'm asking you this, that are watching, did you wonder why simultaneously with this attack against Israel is an attack against what they call dispensationalism? Because you can't believe in the rapture of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ and a literal seven year tribulation and an Antichrist, an actual Antichrist who rules over the whole earth like the Bible says in Revelation 13 you can't believe in that and believe Israel doesn't matter because all of revelation revolves around that. So when Tucker said Jesus said he's the temple, okay, so you're saying there will be no temple and animal sacrifices won't be done again and that Jesus was the temple. So Jesus is the temple that the Antichrist is going to defile. You don't know the Bible. Tucker Carlson doesn't go to church. You can ask him if you want. He has no church. He has no pastor. And I don't know about this lady. If she goes, she goes to Catholic Church, which, as we know, their theology is not the strongest. You know, you go to a. You know, you're going to a church that doesn't have the greatest theology. When the Bible's behind the pulpit and you're not supposed to read it, just let the priest tell you that. Sign one, continue.
Carrie Prejean
He is the temple.
Theological Expert/Guest
He says that he is the Lamb
Carrie Prejean
that was slain, the final sacrifice.
Theological Expert/Guest
So, yeah, yeah.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
And then somebody in the comments just parroting what they've heard. Dispensationalism isn't accurate. Well, guess what, my friend? If you don't believe in dispensationalism, you know what? You have to believe that we are in the millennium right now. That Satan is already bound for a thousand years in the bottomless pit. And we'll get into that in these 21 questions. So if you want to attack dispensationalism, you got to ask yourself what you're believing instead. That there's actually going to be no literal return of Christ to the earth. There will be no kingdom set up. There's no actual New Jerusalem. I've told you before, and again, I told you. I owe it to you as your pastor to tell you this. Because if you believe that stuff, there's no rapture. There's no literal return of Christ to the earth. There's no New Jerusalem. There's no actual Antichrist. There won't actually be a mark of the beast in the hand or in the forehead. There won't be global currency. All this stuff the Bible prophesied. You're not going to enjoy revival today, Church, because we're not iffy on that. We believe that the next prophetic sign will be the catching away of the church. We believe that the church is mentioned 19 times in Revelation 1:3, and then beginning at chapter four, verse one, never again. And then the wrath comes from heaven, and then there's a return of Christ in bodily form on the earth. So if you don't believe that your theology doesn't line up with what we preach. Now it's one thing if you didn't believe it, then you hear us teach and prove it and you come around. But if you want to attend revival today church and subvert the doctrine that's preached, you know, you owe it to yourself. Go to a nice Catholic church, go to a reformed church. But I'll tell you, you're not gonna find a spirit filled church that espouses those views. You won't find one. And that in and of itself should be interesting to you that spirit filled Christians unilaterally believe a certain way. And people who rejected the baptism of the Holy Ghost essentially unilaterally believe another way. 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. One more thing. So then this also, you know, Tucker Carlson, I would say, would be the main new proponent of this. And then look what he drifts into where they not only attack Israel and Jews. Why do Christians stick with Jews a lot and vice versa? For some reason, we always end up with the same enemies. Everybody that wants them dead wants you dead. That's why you're kind of, you know, I'm trying to use like super nice language because I know people that believe like Kerry believes and they're people that I like. So I'm not gonna say you're like stupid or anything and I'm not thinking it either. But I mean, you should think for a second like, you know, you're against Israel and you're pro Palestine. The Palestinians want you dead too. Why are you siding with people who want you dead? And why does every demon possessed cult and religion focus on taking out two groups of people, Christians and Jews? So Tucker gets into this and next thing you know, he, he's going after evangelists with jets and how no church should have a jet. And he'd rather a pastor have an affair with his secretary than have a plane roll it.
Theological Expert/Guest
I'm way more comfortable with the pastor sleeping with his assistant, which is totally immoral, than I am with him having a private jet.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
I agree.
Theological Expert/Guest
Because at least everyone realizes now you're
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
listening to an unintelligent human being to make that statement. I would rather my pastor have an affair with his secretary, have a, have a sexually have sexual immorality, which is clearly listed in the Bible as a sin, than have a plane. Explain that to me. Whose lives does a plane ruin? I'd rather my pastor ruin his children's lives and ruin his wife's life than Have a plane. You hate. See the same hatred for the Jews start showing towards the church. That's why almost all these people, they hate Joel Osteen. They hate, they hate whoever your pastor is. So why do you like a guy who hates your pastor? You're going to have to make a choice. Make Tucker your pastor, tithe to him because I'm not on that train. Continue with your assistant.
Theological Expert/Guest
It's totally sinful. It's wrong. A plane is like a subtle kind of evil. It's like no one even notices.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Oh, we're so important. He's got a plane.
Carrie Prejean
Well, that's the process.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Tucker demands a jet for, for where he goes and then for bastion prosperity he demands upwards of $500,000 per speaking engagement, according to people who have had him in to speak. He spoke for a pro life group and he demanded I think a Gulf Stream 5 minimum to take him on tour. So he's a hypocrite and a liar, which he's welcome to be a hypocrite and a liar, but don't paint me as an evil person. Continue Prosperity Gospel message creeping in.
Theological Expert/Guest
If I had a pastor in a church that I was attending on Sunday, say we need a private jet. I'm not stand up in the middle of the service and say, son, I know more about this than you do. You do not need a private jet.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
You rode a donkey.
Theological Expert/Guest
Like, what are you doing?
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Literally, I've had someone say that was the fastest mode of transportation.
Theological Expert/Guest
It wasn't. It was the most humiliating form of transportation. That's why he chose it.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Yeah. So there you go. Couple theological experts. Jesus chose a donkey as his mode of transportation because it was the most humiliating form of transportation. He had a boat. He didn't travel by donkey only. And if you're only going to use what Jesus used, then lose the lace up sneakers and lose the button up shirt. Not Theological Experts 21 Things a Serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Number one, I want you now, even if no one's taught you this before or you've been taught the opposite, you should consider these things. Do you know what I spent all day doing? There's a thing when you debate called straw manning, which is you make your opponent's argument very weak and then debunk it. And then anybody that that's happened to, probably anybody watching where you would say, that's not what I believe. I don't believe that at all. You should actually ask me and I would tell you, I asked what the strongest arguments scripturally and researched it. If I was going to make a hardcore case that God's done with Israel and God's done with the Jewish people, what would I use from the Bible? What would I use from logic? And so I'm not straw manning anti Israel, anti Jew. 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Number one, this is an extremely interesting scripture. Ezekiel 37, 1:14. The Lord took hold of me and I was carried away by the Spirit of the Lord to a valley filled with bones. He led me all around among the bones that covered the valley floor. They were scattered everywhere across the ground and were completely dried out. Then he asked me, son of man, can these bones become living people again? O Sovereign Lord? I replied, you alone know the answer to that. Then he asked me, speak a prophetic message to these bones and say, dry bones, listen to the word of the Lord. This is what the Sovereign Lord says. Look, I'm going to put breath into you and make you live again. I will put flesh and muscles on you and cover you with skin. I will put breath into you and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord. So I spoke this message just as he told me. Suddenly, as I spoke, there was a rattling noise all across the valley. The bones of each body came together and attached themselves as complete skeletons. Then, as I watched, muscles and flesh formed over the bones. Then skin formed to cover the bodies, but they still had no breath in them. Then he said to me, speak a prophetic message to the wind. Son of man, speak a prophetic message and say, this is what the Sovereign Lord says. Come, O breath from the four winds. Breathe into these dead bodies so they may live again. So I spoke the messages, he commanded me, and breath came into their bodies. They all came to life and stood upon their feet, a great army. Then he said to me, son of man, these bones represent the people of Israel. So did this literally happen? Yes. And did it literally. It's like this is all through the Bible. Did Moses literally clear out the scum and bacteria and virus from that body of water in Exodus 15 by throwing wood in it? Yes. Then did God say, just like this happened, so I'll take sickness and disease out of you if you won't go after the gods of the Egyptians? Yes. So this happened. And then God used it as a sign, gift, prophecy. Son of man, these bones represent the people of Israel. They are saying, we have become old, dry bones. All hope is gone. Our nation is finished. Therefore, prophesy to them and say, this is what the sovereign Lord says. O my people, I will open your graves of exile and cause you to rise again. Then I will bring you back to the land of Israel. When this happens, O my people, you will know that I am the Lord. I will put my spirit in you, and you will live again and return home to your own land. Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and I have done what I said. Yes, The Lord has spoken. 37 then goes into chapter 38. Do you know what chapter 38 is? Verse 1. This is another message that came to me from the Lord. Son of man, turn and face Gog of the land of Magog. Are you guys watching? Okay if we do this over the course of two nights? Because I have 21 and just question one is like a course and I'd like to take my time with it. Son of man, turn and face Gog of the land of Magog, the prince who rules over the nations of Meshech and Tubal and prophesy against him. Give him this message from the sovereign Gog, I am your enemy. I will turn you around and put hooks in your jaws to lead you out with your whole army, your horses and charioteers in full armor, and a great horde armed with shields and swords. Persia, that's Iraq and Iran. Ethiopia and Libya will join you with all their weapons. Gomer and all its armies will also join you, along with the armies of Beth Togarmah. This is Turkey, East Germany and Crimea, and Moscow from the distant north, and many others, because those are people groups and you can follow where they settled. Get ready, be prepared, keep all the armies around you mobilized and take command of them a long time from now. You will be called into action in the distant future. You will swoop down on the land of Israel, which will be enjoying peace after recovering from war and after its people have returned from many lands to the mountains of Israel. You and all your allies. By the way, do I have access to ChatGPT or not? Let me know when it's ready. And I'm asking this question not knowing the answer, which I don't necessarily like to do. Was Ezekiel written before Joshua or after Joshua?
ChatGPT
Ezekiel was written long after Joshua. The book of Joshua is part of the early history of Israel.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
So when people say all of God's yes, we believe that God had promises to the Jews into their land, but they all took place when Joshua took Israel. No, they didn't. Ezekiel's after Joshua. You're all in exile and you're all going to come Back and after a time of war and enjoy peace and prosperity. Now you say, well, no, but that was fulfilled after they returned from Babylon. Not this part. Keep the scripture up. Not this part. Because there's no way that Moscow didn't attack Beth, Togarman, Gomer and all those people. They didn't come down and attack Israel after that. And then the stuff I'm going to read definitely didn't happen. You and all your allies, a vast awesome army will roll down on them like a storm and cover the land like a cloud. This is Armageddon. This is what the Sovereign Lord says. At that time, evil thoughts will come to your mind and you will devise a wicked scheme. You will say, Israel is an unprotected land filled with unwalled villages. I will march out against her and destroy these people who live in such confidence. I will go to those formerly desolate cities that are now filled with people who have returned from exile in many nations. I will capture. By the way, write down in the comments, many nations, not just from Babylon. So this is prophesying, and I don't want to get ahead of myself, but it's pretty clear. I will go to those formerly desolate cities. They're now filled with people who have returned from exile in many nations. I will capture vast amounts of plunder. For the people are rich with livestock and other possessions now. They think the whole world revolves around them. This is going to be what the people who are going to attack the Jewish people in Israel say. I don't like these people. They're rich and they think the whole world revolves around them. What does that sound like? But Sheba and Dedin and the merchants of Tarshish will ask, do you really think the armies that have gathered can rob them of silver and gold? Do you think you can drive away their livestock and and seize their goods and carry off plunder? Therefore, son of man, prophesy against Gog. Give him this message from the Sovereign Lord. When my people are living in peace in their land, then you will rouse yourself. You will come from your homeland in the distant north with your vast calvary and mighty army, and you will attack my people Israel, covering their land like a cloud. At that time in the distant future, I will bring you against my land as everyone watches. And my holiness will be displayed by what happens to you, Gog. Then all nations will know that I am the Lord. This is what the Sovereign Lord asks. Are you the one I was talking about long ago when I announced through Israel's prophets that in the Distant future, I would bring you against my people. But this is what the sovereign Lord says. When Gog invades the land of Israel, my fury will boil over. In my jealousy and blazing anger, I promise a mighty shaking in the land of Israel. That day, all living things, the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, the animals of the field, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people on earth will quake and tear at my presence. Mountains will be thrown down. That hasn't happened. That did not happen in the Roman Empire. What type of attack can destroy all the fish in the sea, all the birds of the sky, all the animals of the field, and. And the small animals that scurry along the ground and level mountains? You know, you don't have to be a weapons expert to know that can't happen by cannonball or by whatever the thing is that flung the rocks or by arrows or by fire. What could happen that would desolate a whole area? Cliffs will crumble, walls will fall into the earth. I will summon the sword against you on all the hills of Israel, says the sovereign Lord. Your men will turn their swords against each other. I will punish you and your armies with disease and bloodshed. Biological where until now could you give disease to people in war till biological warfare? I will send torrential rain, hailstones, fire, and burning sulfur. In this way, I will show my greatness and holiness. I will make myself known to all the nations of the world. Then they will know that I am the Lord. Let me hear chatgpt again. Let me know when it's ready. I'm curious. When people interpret the Bible a certain way, where do they get the place that people are going to have to dig graves for Armageddon for like, several months or over a year? Where's that passage?
ChatGPT
That idea comes from the Book of Ezekiel, specifically Ezekiel, chapter 39. In that chapter, it describes the aftermath of a massive battle where it says the people of Israel will spend months burying the remains of the defeated invaders. It specifically mentions a period of seven months to cleanse the land.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
All right, when did that happen? When did that happen in the Roman Empire that Jews had to dig graves to bury the people that tried to conquer them? This has not happened yet. And you're going to have to do theological gymnastics to say that there's no, like, Carrie Jean, whatever her name, Israel's done. The land doesn't matter anymore. You're going to have to do some theological gymnastics to do that. Now remember, we have a way we interpret the Bible that's called the correct way, which is take the Bible literally. When God told you not to commit adultery, it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal. And where you can't take it literally, search for the literal meaning. Isaiah 66. 8. Who has ever seen anything as strange as this? Who ever heard of such a thing? Has a nation ever been born in a single day? Has a country ever come forth in a mere moment, but by the time Jerusalem's birth pains begin, her children will be born? Write it down in your notes. Can a nation be born in one day? May 14, 1948. That was the fulfillment of that prophecy. Israel had lost its national sovereignty. It had not regained it. It was under Roman occupation. When Jesus said what he said. And May 14, 1948, the heart of the world bled for the Jewish people after what Hitler did and Stalin. I mean, you talk about. Everybody has had it. Every. How can people not see this? Why does every demon possessed dictator want to take out one group of people, the Jewish people? Because Satan wants to stop his only shot. Like he was trying to keep Christ from being born by having all the babies killed. His only shot survival is to make it where what the Bible says about in Revelation can't happen. So he hates Jewish people and he hates Christians. He hates people, period. But those two groups are a problem for him. Number one, 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Number one, the 1948 rebirth of Israel. If you study what they call replacement theology, which is what that Carrie lady was saying and Tucker, that the church has replaced Israel. Israel doesn't matter anymore. The Jews don't matter anymore. You had a very strong argument up until May 13, 1948, because Israel didn't matter. You can buy old study Bibles that'll tell you, you know, I know the Bible says that Jesus said they're going to return to their homeland. Obviously that can't happen. There's other people that live there now that are never going to let them back. And one of the most powerful fulfillments of Bible prophecy was a nation was born in one day. Somebody wrote Judas Maccabeus and his forces fought successfully against Antiochus iv. But this was a military revolt, not the miraculous destruction. Yeah, exactly. So you're adding to it. And again, there's no battle that leveled mountains. That's nuclear war. That's second Peter 3. That the heavens will pass away in a terrible noise and the earth will be consumed and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire. That hasn't happened. And it's not happening in Detroit or London. I mean, it may happen there, too. But the focus of Bible prophecy is a nation called Israel, a city called Jerusalem, and a people called the Jewish people. If God is completely finished with ethnic Israel and the land promises no longer apply, how do you explain the literal rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948? A people without a homeland for nearly 2000 years suddenly becoming a sovereign nation again in a single day, just as the prophets foretold. I don't know if that's ever happened. Even when we did the Declaration of Independence, it took a while before the British agreed. This was a nation born in one day. How likely is it that after 1900 years of dispersion, the Jewish people would reclaim their ancient land in one day, precisely as foretold if God had truly washed his hands of them forever. That's why I made that number one. You know, at some point, you should take a step back and just say, I was wrong. Wow. I thought the Jews didn't matter anymore. I thought Israel didn't matter anymore. And then after a mass attempt by the strongest nations in the world to wipe out all Jews, the exact opposite happened, and they redrew the lines, and they came from the four corners of the earth, and exactly like the Bible said, it happened. I want to say another thing while I'm at it, because anytime you take this position that you know you're taking, he's probably taking money from Israel. I would take money from anybody, but not only have I not taken any money from Israel, I don't think there's anyone that gives to this ministry that represents more than 5% of our total revenue. So. But I can tell you, Tucker took plenty from Qatar and Iran, through Qatar, and now it's coming out that all these people, Nick Fuentes, they're the ones that are funded, not me. You know, it's pretty funny. There's a guy arguing against it. Your name is Isaac, so if you hate the Jews, maybe change your name, you idiot. By the way, we've done a lot of ministry on the streets and reached many prostitutes with the Gospel. And of all the ones we've reached, none were more thankful than your mother. Number two, Revelation 21:3. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pit and a heavy chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan, and bound him in chains for a thousand years. The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore. Maybe we'll take this over the course of three days. Seven tonight, seven tomorrow, seven the next day. That's doable. I won't even say bite sized pieces. Full dinner pieces. The angel threw him into the bottomless pit which he then shut and locked so that Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. And then afterward he must be released for a little while. So here's what happens because you can't deal if you say that the Jews don't matter and Israel doesn't matter anymore. Where does the Bible say Christ is going to return to Israel? So you have to come up that this is all. No he's not. And he's returned in us as his body. Okay, then what about this part then? If that's true, when is Satan going to be bound? Know what the people that teach the other side, this is their position, that Satan has already been bound and thrown in the bottomless pit. To which my question would be, then why are so many people dying of fentanyl? Who's causing all the child sex abuse? Well, Satan's bound, but notice what it says. This is their argument. Satan was bound so that he could not deceive the nations anymore. So that's why the gospel can be preached to all nations, because Satan has been bound. Okay, if that's true right now, why do nations like North Korea, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan and Iran remain over 99% unevangelized with virtually no open gospel preaching? No, no, I mean it says virtually no gospel open preaching allowed. There is no gospel preaching. Maybe somebody does it once or twice. It's not. You cannot preach the gospel in those nations. What would the world actually look like if Satan were truly bound in deceiving the nations today? And how does the current global reality align with that description? So if you see, if you teach that all of Israel's promises have already been fulfilled, then we're in the lion laying down with the Lamb and Christ has already turned. And Satan's boundaries. That's what you have to teach if you're, if you're an amillennialist. And it is an indefensible position. Number one is very, is indefensible. Number two is indefensible. Oh that, that's dispensationalism. How's your theology? Dispensationalism makes sense. There are different ways. God does not deal with man the same today as he did in the book of Job. If you read the Bible, God dealing with man in different dispensations is as clear as day. Job said, oh, that I had an advocate to take my case before God. But I don't. Oh, that I had a redeemer. But though I haven't seen him, I know my redeemer lives. And though I haven't seen him, one day I know he'll stand upon the earth. I can't say that I have a redeemer. His name's Jesus. When he came, I can go boldly before the throne. I can pray, Father, in the name of Jesus. Nobody in the Old Testament could. Could pray, Father. How. It's, how is that even controversial that there's different ways God dealt with man progressively and covenants were improved upon. You now have a Hebrews 8, 6. You now have a better covenant based on better promises. Which means it's different now, which again is why I haven't been to the Wailing Wall. I'm not under that covenant. My prayers can get answered as easy at Denny's in Pittsburgh as it can in Jerusalem. I'm seated with Christ in Heavenly place. So if you, if you believe there's not going to be a literal return of Christ, if you believe what that Carrie lady said, all prophecies regarding Israel and Jerusalem have been fulfilled. Then explain Bible prophecy. Where are we right now in Bible prophecy? The rapture's already happened. The new Jerusalem's already here. The lion's laying down with the lamb. Take a lamb and put it in a cage with a lion and. And you're going to see we're not in the millennium. And I'll tell you another thing. Anybody that tells you that dispensationalism began with Darby's Bible. You're listening to somebody that's not an intellectually honest person. Anyone. You know, I've never owned Darby's Bible. I've never studied anything he wrote. There is a great catching away of the church. There is. There are different periods that God dealt with man differently. You think you have the same relationship with God now that Noah did. You don't. So whether you want to use the word dispensation or a synonym for that, whatever makes you feel better. But you, you cannot rectify saying that all of the land covenants with Israel have been fulfilled. You cannot rectify that with proper Bible prophecy. Number three, Revelation 7, 4, 8. Now we've talked about Israel. Let's talk about the Jewish people. No, God's done with the Jews. Now, whether you're Jew or gentile doesn't matter. Yes, it doesn't matter as far as salvation is concerned. But again, why do you think Catholics don't teach on Bible prophecy? Why do you think that the Reformed church doesn't teach on Bible prophecy? Because they can't. Because you can't teach Bible prophecy without getting into Israel and the Jewish people. That God has a plan for that group of people. And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God? 144,000 were sealed. From where? What are those last five words in Revelation 7? 4. All the tribes of Israel. Keep going. I'm going to read to verse 8. Keep going. Did Patrick make this? Looks like these verses were made by accounting. Keep going. Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand of the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand of the tribe of Gad. Twelve thousand of the tribe of Asher were sealed. Twelve thousand of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed Twelve thousand of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed Twelve thousand of the tribe Of Simeon were sealed Twelve thousand of the tribe OF Levi were sealed Twelve thousand of the tribe O.F. issachar were sealed Twelve thousand of the tribe D.E. zebulun were sealed Twelve thousand of the Tribe of Joseph were sealed Twelve thousand of the tribe M.E. benjamin were sealed Twelve thousand. Boy, if God's done with the Jewish people, that's a lot of wasted verses. Why do you have to go into in depth to not just the Jews but the tribes? Can I have chatgpt again? Hey, the Jews of the Bible are not the Jews of today. Right? They're like a different kind of Jews and those Jews don't exist anymore. Or has that been debunked?
ChatGPT
It's definitely been debunked. The Jewish people today are a continuous lineage from ancient times. While communities have evolved culturally and geographically, like Ashkenazi, Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews, they all trace their identity back to the same biblical people. There's no historical break in the line
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
when people used to teach that that there has been a break in the Jews from today are not the Jews from back then. How badly did modern genetics screw up their theory?
ChatGPT
Modern genetics basically dismantled that old theory. Studies of Jewish populations show a clear genetic continuity going back thousands of years with Middle Eastern roots. While there's been some mixing, like with any diaspora, these genetic markers strongly tie Jewish groups today to their ancient counterparts. So yeah, it pretty much shattered any claims of a break.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
All right, that's good. You know, try to live in reality. The Jews today are not even the Jews from back then. Who said? Candace Owens. Was she a genetics expert? What does she Blood test everybody in Israel. Yeah, but the DNA companies are all run by Jews. Okay, take it easy. Revelation, the book of Revelation largely has not transpired yet. I will tell you about things to come. And the book of Revelation has a decent amount to say about Jerusalem, Israel and the Jewish people. So to say God's done with them. Now Carrie could say it and the Pope could say it. By the way, the Catholic Church that's rejected Israel and the Jewish people, how are they doing? How are they doing as a church? Empty built, empty buildings. Would you say that the Pope aligns with spirit filled, thinking spirit of this world thinking this Pope and the last Pope. You should be careful who you make. Your spiritual leader. Make sure it's somebody that lines with the Bible and stays with the Bible. The second I get outside of the Bible, you should abandon revival today. Church in 30 seconds. Don't come back for the mems to hear heresy. I wouldn't care if we were Catholic for nine generations. That guy starts going to mosques and bowing to Allah, I'd peace out. If the 144,000 Revelation 7 is just a symbolic number for the entire church, why does the text go out of its way to name the actual tribes of Israel? And it's exactly 12,000 from each one. Why would the Holy Spirit bother listing specific tribes and precise numbers if the identity of ethnic Israel no longer matters in the end times, it's in an end times book. Now you want to argue about Ezekiel or whatever. This is Revelation that has not happened yet. And they're talking about the tribes of Israel and what God's going to do. So he has a plan. And I don't understand the hard heartedness towards the Jewish people from somebody that has a Bible. They've rejected Christ. They spit on Christ. Yeah, so did you at one point. And so have members of your family still right now. And God loves them and wants them to be saved. You think God has mercy for you and your family and has set aside Abraham's family he loves? This is an everlasting covenant. What part of everlasting do you not understand? That thing's back up on my monitor. The 144,000 from the tribes of Israel is tough to get around. And by tough I mean impossible. Why would the Holy Spirit bother listing specific tribes and precise numbers if the identity. And you know what the answer is if you don't believe what I'm saying? You know what the other theological alternative is? It's symbolic. Same way homosexuality is symbolic. The same way Sodom and Gomorrah is symbolic. The same way Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for inhospitality, not homosexuality. See, you go down the symbolic trail, then you can just symbolic any part of the Bible you don't like. But when you take it literally, then the Bible sorts you out instead of you sorting the Bible out. Number four. Another tough one. Zechariah 14. Four. On that day, his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will split apart. So write it in the comments. Where is Jesus going to return? It's not the skyline. Chile in Cincinnati. It's not Hera's in or Herod's in London. He's going to return on the Mount of Olives. Show me on Google Maps where the Mount of Olives is, because I have no clue where it is, other than I think it's in Israel. Oh, yeah, it says right there. If I'd have just read further east of Jerusalem. There it is. Zoom in. Where's that? Mount of Olives. So that's where he's going to touch down on that day. Thanks. On that day, his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley. The guy's going to make an entrance. When he comes back, no manger this time. He's going to drop down on the Mount of Olives and split it in half. And a valley, a deep valley, a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move towards the north and half towards the south. So symbolic. I don't think so. I think. When? I don't think so. Take the Bible literally wherever possible and where not possible, search for the literal meaning. Rules for Bible interpretation. To not end up like the Pope, because if you take it symbolically, search. Soon you're at a mosque bowing down. I'm telling you, you start jerking with the foundation of Scripture, it doesn't happen immediately, but you end up a mess. Read it how it says it, because if you start choosing what's symbolic or not, soon Sodom and Gomorrah was symbolic. That guy that I play in the T shirt that's too tight, that sits on the stool and doesn't believe in Noah's Ark anymore, I guarantee you he comes from a seminary where Noah's Ark, symbolic. Obviously all the animals couldn't fit on a boat. And it's just a story that we can actually find in other cultures all over the world that tell about how there's problems and sometimes God prepares a way for us to get out of the problems. Okay, me and you part company then. Because I believe the Bible literally as written, Zechariah 14:4 says the Lord's feet will literally stand on the Mount of Olives. On the day he returns, the mountain will be split in two. How do you interpret this as purely symbolic or already fulfilled when the text describes a physical geographical event? And I don't want to get ahead of myself, but for a land that doesn't matter, you sure do talk about it a lot. And for a people group that doesn't matter, the Jews, you sure are hyper obsessed with posting about them. How come you're not posting about the Kurds or the Turks or the Sri Lankans or whatever? There's all these tribes and people groups all over the world and all you care about is one little tiny New Hampshire sized spot in the Middle east because that's where everything's going to go down. That's why the whole world's focused on it. How do you interpret this as purely symbolic or already fulfilled when the text describes a physical geographical event? If this is purely symbolic, what exactly is the symbol pointing to? Yeah, me have questions. And why use such specific measurable geography? If this is purely symbolic, what exactly is the symbol pointing to? And why use such specific measurable geography? Romans 11:17 24 but some of these branches from Abraham's tree, some of the people of Israel have been broken off. And you Gentiles who are branches from a wild olive tree have been grafted in, not replaced. The tree wasn't burnt down and God planted a new tree. You have been grafted in. So now you also write that word down, A L S O also not instead of receive the blessing God has promised Abraham. Now I'm going to tell you you can err on both sides of this. You can err by teaching that Jews without Christ are still the tree that will receive God's blessing, which they won't. A Jew that says a Jew is not one that's one outwardly, but one that's inward in. So I don't believe that. But I also if you're teaching that God got so mad with the Jewish people for rejecting Christ that he got rid of the tree and made a new one. Romans 11:17 24 is a rough one. And it doesn't even say all of Israel. But some of these branches from Abraham's tree because there's Jewish it's not all Jews rejected Christ and then in the future they'll be Jewish Christians mostly.
Theological Expert/Guest
They have.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
And again, I don't want to get ahead of myself. The whole Bible revolved around the Jewish people in Israel. And then once they were rejected, it went to the Gentiles in the Book of Acts. And I'm thankful as a Polish Englishman that it did. But the Bible then talks about that the time of the Gentiles will come to an end and without. Again, I'm getting ahead of myself. The Antichrist will be received as the Messiah by the Jewish people. And when he betrays them as a nation, they will realize, as a people group, they will realize they've been betrayed, they've missed it, and that Christ was the Messiah. And that will happen. Who were branches from a wild olive tree have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God's special olive tree. But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root. By the way, what's the name of this book? Romans. So this is Paul talking to Italians, Romans, Gentiles don't brag about being grafted in to replace the branches, not the root. Write that down. Replace the branches, not the root. That's another thing somebody's writing Bibi Netanyahu is Satan. Listen, whatever you want to write, and I'm glad you wrote that. Not because it's intelligent, but it reminded me that in believing this, I don't have to take up for Benjamin Netanyahu or whoever their next president is. Just like in loving America. And being a proud American didn't mean I had to love be proud of Joe Biden and back everything he did. Are you proud of all of our American leaders? Then why group all Israelis and Jews under Netanyahu? The guy's being indicted right now in Israel as it is, by his own people. It's a simpleton way of looking at things. But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root. Continue. Well, you may say those branches were broken off to make room for me, yes, but remember, those branches were broken off because they didn't believe in Christ. And you are there because you do believe. So don't think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen. For if God did not spare the original branches, he won't spare you either. Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe towards those who disobeyed but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off. And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again. God's done with Israel once they rejected Christ. No, if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, which they will, they'll be grafted in again. For God has the power to graft them back into the tree. 24. You by nature were a branch cut off from a wild olive tree. So if God was willing to do something contrary to nature by grafting you into his cultivated tree, he will be far more eager to graft the original branches back into the tree. Man, that's powerful. If God was willing to do something contrary to nature by grafting you into his cultivated tree, he will be far more eager to graft the original branches. He will be not was, will be far more eager to graft the original branches back into the tree where they belong. Number five. 21 things a serious Christian should consider about Israel and the Jewish people. Hope you're enjoying this. Number five. They should consider the warning. In Romans 11, Paul warns Gentile believers not to become arrogant toward the natural branches, the Jews, because they can still be grafted back into the olive tree. If national Israel. Listen, if national Israel has been permanently replaced by the church, why does this strong warning even exist? If national Israel has been replaced by the church, why does this warning exist in the New Testament? Why would Paul issue such a stern warning against arrogance toward the natural branches if God had permanently broken them off with no possibility of restoration? And I want to add to that. Not only is there a possibility of restoration, there's a guarantee of restoration both here in Romans and in the book of Revelation. Number 6, Genesis 15, 9, 18. The Lord told Abraham, Bring me a three year old heifer, a three year old female goat, a three year old ram, a turtle dove and a young pigeon. So Abraham presented all these to him and killed them. He cut each animal down the middle and laid the halves side by side. He did not, however, cut the birds in half. Some vultures swooped down to eat the carcasses, but Abram chased them away. As the sun was going down, Abram fell into a deep sleep and a terrifying darkness came over him. Then the Lord said to Abram, you can be sure that your descendants will be strangers in a foreign land where they will be oppressed as slaves for 400 years. But I will punish the nation that enslaves them. And in the end. They will come away with great wealth. As for you, you will die in peace and be buried at a ripe old age. After four generations, your descendants will return here to this land. For the sins of the Amorites do not yet warrant their destruction. After the sun went down and darkness fell, Abram saw a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch pass between the halves of the carcasses. So the Lord made a covenant with Abram that day and said, I have given this land to your descendants all the way from the borders of Egypt to the great Euphrates River. Continue. The land now occupied by the Kentites. Kenites. Sorry, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaitite. Let me go back. Let me sound it out. Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites. So he told him, and then, let me see, 17, verse 1. To me, it's also powerful too, that none of those groups are around anymore except Abraham's people. Where are the Canaanites? Where are the Perizzites? Where are all these groups in the Bible that are all wiped off the face of the earth? And then no one has ever tried to wipe a group of people out. No group of people has ever had attempted to have them wiped off the face of the earth like the Jewish people. And here they are. It's a sign. When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, I'm El Shaddai, God Almighty, serve me faithfully and live a blameless life. I will make a covenant with you by which I will guarantee to give you countless descendants. At this, Abram fell face down on the ground. Then God said to him, penguins win or lose Score. This is my covenant with you. I will make you the father of a multitude of nations. What's more, I am changing your name. It will no longer be Abram. Instead you will be called Abraham, for you will be the father of many nations. I will make you extremely fruitful. Your descendants will become many nations and kings will be among them. Dang, it was close. Okay, back to scripture. I will confirm my covenant with you. Check this. I will confirm my covenant with you, your descendants after you, from generation to generation. Write the next five words down in the comments, if you would. This is the everlasting covenant. What part of everlasting can you not understand? I will always be your God and the God of your descendants. After you. Tie that with Romans 11. No, but that was. That was. And then through Jesus, now we're in spiritually, I agree. That's Galatians 3. Trust me. What have I spent? When have you ever heard me preach about Israel or Jews? What do I have to spend most of my time. I have to spend most of my time convincing Christians that are Gentiles that they have access to the promises. So now I'm doing like the reverse and telling you, yes, you have access to the promises, but they're not cut off. I will confirm my covenant with you and your descendants after you from generation to generation. This is an everlasting covenant. I will always be your God and the God of your descendants after you. And I will give the entire land of Canaan where you now live as a foreigner, to you and your descendants. It will be their possession forever. I will be their God. Then God said to Abraham, your responsibility is to obey the terms of the covenant. You and all your descendants have this continual responsibility. That's right. So it's not automatic. But God will. But Abraham kept his end of the deal. And God will be faithful to Abraham, even if individuals don't receive the blessing of it by not doing what's required of them. Number six, the unconditional Abrahamic covenant. How can the land promised to Abraham's descendants be canceled or spiritualized when God made the covenant unilaterally in Genesis 15? By walking through the pieces alone, without Abraham ever passing between them? See, that's the power I finished in Genesis 17, but when I read Genesis 15, who was that holding the fire pot? What are the two things he was holding in Genesis 15? Fire pot and torch. Genesis 15. You can just pop it up. 6 or. No, sorry. 10. Keep going, keep going. After the sun went down and darkness fell, Abram saw a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between the halves of the carcass. That was God ratifying the covenant by himself. If God bound himself to this covenant alone, what mechanism allows later generations to declare it null and void? I will give this land to you and your descendants forever. And again, in case you're just tuning in, you had a strong argument through May 13, 1948. But I mean, you'd have to say it's pretty curious that the Jews survived all these years and are right back in the land where God said they could have. Did you know at one point. Let me have chatgpt again. Tell me about the plan that was made initially, when it looked like it was impossible for the Jews to return to their actual homeland, where Uganda was going to give them land to recreate Israel in East Africa,
ChatGPT
that clan is often referred to as the Uganda scheme. In the early 1900s, when the Zionist movement was still searching for practical solutions to establish a Jewish homeland, the British government proposed offering a portion of East Africa, modern day Kenya, though commonly misremembered as Uganda, for Jewish settlement. The proposal emerged around 1903 after waves of pogroms in Eastern Europe spurred urgency for a refuge. The idea was highly controversial among Zionists. Some saw it as a temporary safe haven, while others rejected anything short of the ancestral land in Palestine. Ultimately, the Uganda scheme was rejected at the 1905 Zionist Congress. It reinforced the focus on returning to the historical land of Israel, though it showed the desperation and global complexity of that era's Jewish situation.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Tell me also about before World War II, where there was a move I think by Britain or someone by Britain to resettle Jews back into modern day Israel, but the Jewish people didn't want to go.
ChatGPT
Before World War II, Britain held the mandate for Palestine and there were indeed complex efforts related to Jewish immigration. Initially, Britain's 1917 Balfour Declaration supported a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. But as tensions grew between Jews and Arabs in the region, Britain began restricting Jewish immigration. In the late 1930s, as Nazi persecution intensified, some British officials explored ideas for resettling Jewish refugees. Yet the British white paper of 1939 severely limited Jewish immigration to Palestine, reflecting a desire to appease the Arab population and maintain stability. Some Jews, especially those in Europe, desperately wanted to go, but British restrictions made it difficult. The tension wasn't that Jews didn't want to go, rather many wanted to but were prevented by the policies of the time. Ultimately, the tragedy of the Holocaust reshaped global opinion, leading to post war efforts that culminated in Israel's establishment in 1948.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Thank you. So pretty interesting that there was an attempt to get Jews to resettle Israel before World War II, but. But there was trouble on both ends. But also Jews didn't wanna go. They were comfortable in Europe. But then like everything you know, which I'm of the opinion, I know Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson would disagree with me, but I feel like Hitler was used by the devil. I don't feel like he had like great viewpoints and actually it would have been good if he succeeded in wiping out all the Jews which if you take the opposite opinion of me and you go with them. Hitler is not a villain to people that don't like the Jews in Israel, you know that. But I'm of the odd opinion to not side with Hitler on things. So what the devil meant for evil, which was the destruction of the Jews actually lit a fire into them to get out of Europe and lit a fire in people who had power to give Jewish people a place where they could live besides Lakewood, New Jersey, and Bergen County, New Jersey, and a couple other places. Number seven, Ezekiel 36:24 through 28. For I will gather you up from all the nations and bring you home again to your land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. And I will put my spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations. And you will live in Israel, the land I gave your ancestors long ago. And you will be my people, and I will be your God. 3721 and we already read all this. Number seven. Ezekiel's physical restoration of Israel. Ezekiel 36 and 37 repeatedly promises that God will bring the Jewish people back to the physical land of Israel again. If people say that was already fulfilled in the Old Testament, then why did it happen again? You're making arguments as if there is no land called Israel full of Jewish people again. If it was 1941, you got me. I have a theory and you have a theory, and so far yours has come true and mine looks impossible. Unfortunately for you, it all went my way. Secondly, when Jesus said, when you see that sign of the fig tree being reborn, all of the technology necessary for there to be everything that it says in Revelation, Mark in the hand, homosexuality, a world leader who has no affection for women, the Antichrist that ended your political career up until like 20 years ago. All of the things Mark in the hand, mark in the foreheads, digital currency, biometric surveillance where there's no escape, that's not popular in 19. That's not possible in 1940. That's not possible in 1985. I don't know that's possible in 2005, but it's being done in China right now. The generation that sees the fig tree bud again, this generation will not pass until all these things are fulfilled. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will remain forever. What would it take for us to accept that God meant exactly what he said about regathering ethnic Israel to the land for his name's sake? What would it take for you to accept that God meant exactly what he said about Regathering ethnic Israel to the land for his name's sake. And that's seven for today. And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to get to this in the future. You want to know one reason why I take the viewpoint I take? Because the theology I have has produced Tiff Shuttlesworth, Billy Graham, Lester Sumrall, T.L. osborne, Morris Cirillo, Reinhard Bonnke, and the opposite theology has produced Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Kerry, Jean, Pre Jean whatever her name is. Nick Fuentes. Name me. Name me one person who believes in replacement theology and denies the rapture of the church that's a crusade evangelist with miracles in their meetings. I looked it up. You can't find any. Name me any person in the occult that backs Israel and the Jews. You can't find any. Have you ever seen the marches of people that are pro Palestine? And for the slaughter of Jews from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which is the annihilation of all Jewish people. Do you find any born again Christian at those rallies? Do they take a 10 minute break to allow somebody to pray in tongues over their rally?
Theological Expert/Guest
No.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
Why do all the witches go on one side? Why do all the anti Holy Ghost people go on one side? Why do all the anti tongues people go on one side? You know, if you're a spirit filled Christian that's received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaks in other tongues and you're siding with these other people, they think you're nuts. Just so you know, I'm not talking about the Arabs. I'm talking about all these people you listen to that their podcast mean more to you than what your pastor teaches. Wherever you go to church, they think you're crazy. Find one that believes in healing, they get done trashing Jews and get done trashing Israel. And next is any preacher that has a plane is worse than an adulterer. Well, that's me, my friend. So how hard is it to take a step back and realize there's a division and there's a certain group on one side and a certain group on the other, Did you see that statue of Jesus that got knocked down and beheaded by a Jewish Israeli soldier make the news? Let me ask you a question. When they paid to get it reset up and in a few months or a few years when Hezbollah in Lebanon knocks it down again and desecrates it and then does worse to the Christians that live there, do you think it's going to be on the news? You know why? No Jews, no news. I was born and I'll close with this. I was born in 1980, when the world still felt really bad about what happened to the Jewish people in World War II. And when you read Bible prophecy that the whole world. Listen to this. Now that the whole world was going to unite against the Jewish people, I thought, how in the world could that happen? I mean, I went to a very liberal high school. If you said anything against Jews or Israel, it's like you're Hitler. Hey, did you not hear what just happened a couple of decades back? Take it easy. These people have been through enough. And I'm watching literally right now. That's why I have a book called Understanding the World in Light of Bible Prophecy. Because I'm watching right now the heart of the world turn against the Jewish people in preparation for a world leader that's going to unite the world to wipe out the Jewish people. You are living in the last moments of human history. Jesus is coming soon. And my point in doing this broadcast is not to stand up for Israel or stand up for the Jewish people, though I'm happy to. When you see these things happen, look up for your redemption. Jaroznai Tucker Carlson's a prick who hates the church and hates preachers. So if you want him as your leader, just know who it is. He doesn't go to church. He's not a Christian. I know that for a fact, which so aren't a lot of people. But you're gonna throw away people like my father and me and T.L. osborne and Lester Sumrall and Kenneth Hagin for him. Enjoy your Christianity with him as your leader and the person you fill your spirit with an hour a day. Let me know how it works out. Within 10 years tops, most of those people will be gone, divorced, in jail, sued, done. Because their lives are not built on the word of God and they don't care about church and they hate the Holy Ghost and they mock the Holy Ghost. You're going to throw your whole church and your pastor away to side with them? Knock yourself out. Let me know how it turns out. Enjoy your impartation from Candace Owens. When you understand this, it puts an onus in you to win the lost because things are drawing to a conclusion. I find it interesting that everybody that hates Israel or thinks all, you know, I don't hate them, I just think all the promises. Okay, whatever you want to say. Why are you always on social media just arguing with people about Israel and the Jews? How come I never see you on the mission field? How come I never see you winning? Anybody To Christ. Why has your theology just turned you into an argumentative twat? I'd ask myself that question. That's an extra question. That's not in the 21. And when you turn this into a book, you can leave the word twat out. Just arguing with Christians all day. When's the last time you brought a family to church? When's the last time you built a church? When your theology leads to you just being online arguing all day with a tiny little account, you have to wonder what path you chose. Why are you inactive? Why do you do nothing to serve the house of God? It's a delusion. And if the Bible warns against getting deluded in the last days, I would make sure I don't start listening to people that freeze me up spiritually. Freeze F R E E Z e. It's important. The reason we're in an exploding church is we're not here to argue little points. I'm setting theology straight one time. We are a gospel preaching soul winning, healing the sick, laying on of hands and that other group that hates Israel and Jews, hates the Holy Ghost and hates you. Clear as day. Father, I thank you that we can see now that time truly is drawing to a close. I pray anybody that had any kind of darkness or delusion come over them hyper focused on Israel and Jews instead of hyper focused on the lost and establishing churches and doing the work of the Lord and healing people and bringing hope to people that are hopeless. I pray this would snap somebody out of that as they watch or as they read it in the future. And I pray as we see that the time of the Gentiles is coming to an end and all eyes are pointed towards that land again where your son is going to touch down and split the Mount of Olives in half. I pray you would give us an urgency and a supernatural acceleration to do to get the job done that the Gospel would be preached to all nations as a witness. Use us to do it O Lord. In Jesus name. In Jesus name. Thank you for this group of people that you've knit together called Revival Today and whoever else is watching that has a heart for the Gospel. I pray your blessing would come on them in greater measure. Every one of them would go to another level. In Jesus name. Multiply our efforts, give us strength, put wind in our sails to not be argumentative idiots to be soul winners. In Jesus name.
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Podcast Summary
Jonathan Shuttlesworth – 21 Things a Serious Christian Should Consider About Israel & The Jewish People
June 20, 2026
In this episode, Jonathan Shuttlesworth addresses a resurgence of "replacement theology" — the view that the Christian Church has replaced Israel in God's plan, rendering Israel and the Jewish people spiritually irrelevant. Responding to prominent voices (notably recent commentary from Carrie Prejean, Tucker Carlson, and others) and common arguments circulating in social and religious circles, Jonathan lays out the first seven of 21 biblical, historical, and theological points that he believes all serious Christians should consider regarding Israel and the Jewish people. His approach is unapologetically literalist and rooted in the expectation of literal fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
Jonathan begins his list of 21 points, covering these topics (with supporting scriptures):
Jonathan’s presentation is frank, biblically saturated, occasionally combative, and unapologetically literalist. He strongly challenges both contemporary and historical voices that argue the Church has replaced Israel, advocating instead for ongoing Jewish relevance in God’s redemptive plan and the urgent need for Christians to align with God’s unfolding prophetic purposes.
For listeners seeking clarity on biblical prophecy, modern Israel, or the tension between differing theological systems regarding Israel’s place in God’s plan, this episode provides a passionate, scripture-laden, and polemical case for the continued biblical significance of Israel and the Jewish people.