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Jonathan Shuttlesworth
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
What do you host on Real America's Voice?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I just kind of help out
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Fox News.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, but I. I used to show.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
What are you doing Fox News? I know we're not. Well, we're not supposed to cross promote, but I'm curious.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, I. No, I just say political commentary.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
What's your. What got you into political commentary?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I have an LLC that's like faulting, so. Oh, like, is there. We're on. Yeah. That's how I got a little. Wow. We do it. I had no idea that's how unprofessional we are.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
People can't even tell.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, my goodness. This is wonderful. Well, it's great to be with everyone. So I have a political consulting business, and I started out with local politicians and then Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? Yes. Where at? Get out.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I live in Wexford. We have a church in Pittsburgh.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
No. So I'm from Monroeville.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Oh, I know. I know where that is.376.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
So I.1 of my clients, if you know Westmoreland County, Nicole Ziccarelli, she's the first female district attorney.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes. She's great.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, she's wonderful.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
You helped with that.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I ran her comms. Yep. Back then.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
That's a big deal to win in Pittsburgh. It's as blue as it gets.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Well, that went west. Harley County.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
How did you win? Oh, Westmoreland.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
But still not easy to win.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
No, no. So she. That. That year. What was that? 2021. It was a clean sweep. So all four Republicans were able to get in.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
How did you lose your Pittsburgh accent? Parents are from Sweden or something.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
So you don't think I have an accent?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
You don't.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, thank goodness. Because I've had people say I do before.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Maybe you used to.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Okay, you guys don't have Pittsburgh accents.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Their parents are from Puerto Rico and they grew up in Boston. I'm from Pittsburgh, but we moved away for a little while, maybe. Moving away.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
You know what it is with the Pittsburgh accent is the way they say their O's. Like it's now they draw it out
Podcast Host / Interviewer
like you spot it anywhere.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, guys.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah. I grew up in Bridgeville, so that's cool. You're from Monroeville.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, my goodness. What a small world.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
So then how did Fox News open up after that?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Well, I was on the campaign trail. I was working with the pac. I was working with Real America's Voice. I Doing some consulting for other politicians. And now just. I'll go on Fox News typically like once a week to talk about commentary. I'll go on Newsmax. It really depends on also if you
Podcast Host / Interviewer
had to put money down, obviously we don't promote gambling, but if you were going to put money down, how would you bet on couch on the House for the midterms if you had to slap five grand down?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Right now I want to be very optimistic.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Right, but you also want to make money. So right now can change.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
If you're just going straight on wanting to make a good bet.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Well, you know what? Actually, I, I will say because of the redistricting efforts right now, we could come out, Republicans could keep the House with the House.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Senate's a lost cause.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Right to pets.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
There's a, there's an. What percentage chance Republicans take the Senate, in your opinion?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
See, I think it's circumstantial on a few things. The number one thing being Iran. Right. Because you look at what about what,
Podcast Host / Interviewer
like if you were running everybody's campaign or had like a ton of control in the country, what would you want to see done in Iran that would benefit the Republicans in the midterm?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I think it would just be wrapping it up and getting prices low. Obviously, this is a long term game for president.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Gas prices matter.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Gas prices matter. At the end of the day, you have to consider middle America. Right. They're not looking at the headlines every day. They're not looking at the intricacies of foreign policy and how this is going to benefit us 10 years down the road. They're going to the grocery store, they're going to the gas station. They're seeing that gas. I mean, even me the other day, four dollars and fifty cents. I was like, what?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Where are you based now?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
West Palm Beach.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Oh, we're at.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah. So I think that's the big issue. At the end of the day. A majority of Americans aren't looking at the intricate foreign policy of all this. They're just going to the grocery store and they're seeing the gas prices. And that's unfortunately a problem. You know, at the end of the day, the economy is always going to be the number one issue. Yes.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Least favorite cabinet pick by president.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, my gosh. I'm biased because I'm a massive animal lover.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Everybody's biased.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
So Christy Noem.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes. Oh, yeah. But she's gone.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
She's gone. I know, I know. I was a little shocking.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
She just posted a reel on Instagram today of her shooting a Dog. From, like, Point Blank Ring again.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Have you seen the south park episode?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Maybe. I'm a pastor. I've heard about it.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
He's watched it.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I definitely watched it three times in a row. Okay, so now. Now that gnome's gone, who's your least favorite cabinet?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
That's a good question. You're really putting me in the hot spot here. Who else am I not a massive fan of? Lee Zeldin has been somewhat anticlimactic.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah. Because he could have done more damage. Who's your favorite pick?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Well, that's. I love Marco Rubio.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Me too.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I think he's phenomenal. You know, RFK has been doing a lot of great things. However, we need to get this animal testing thing under control. And also the Save Our Bacon act in the farm bill, but.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Which is.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Save Our Bacon Act. What is that? So basically, obviously, factory farming is massive. That's where we get a majority of our food. And the way that they house the pigs is extremely inhumane. Amongst a ton of other things they do with factory farming. I'm a terrible Republican. I give to PETA. I'm so big in animal rights, but. So they put them in these.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah, but at least you're open about it, as opposed to the people that pretend they're for it. And then behind closed doors, they don't care.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Right, exactly. Exactly. So they put them in these very small gestation crates, and it's cruelty and torture and Pixar, I believe. What the seventh most in intelligent animal. They mimic a lot of characteristics of dogs.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Right. I've heard you can have some for pets.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's pretty cruel if we allow that to. To pass. Sure.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
You know, tell me about the. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth, but I was glad to see Pam Bondi go. And then the. The. The new guy.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I forgot about Pam Bondi.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah. She did nothing.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
So you guys. You guys were happy about that?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I don't know about her. I was. She didn't do anything.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I mean, what. What was it that. But you didn't like her from before.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I had a lawyer friend of mine in Florida say, don't get excited about Pam Bondi coming in because she's gonna do nothing.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Right.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
And then I decided, because she had worked, you know, she just said she's gonna be like, she's gonna sound like she's gonna come in guns blazing and nothing's gonna get done. And that's what happened. Between the passing out the fake Epstein file stuff that was like, nightmare. Like There should be a lot of people in jail, obviously. I realize a thousand people that work in government aren't gonna all get zip tied and thrown in prison, but one or two to be nice, you know, and you had the power to do it. And when you watch how the Democrats came after Trump
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
incessantly.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah. To literally destroy his life. I'm not looking for people's lives to get destroyed, but people that committed crimes should go to prison.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
And she did nothing. I like the new guy. He's done more in, what, 40 days than she did in the. The year and a half she was there. So I. I like him. How do you feel about Attorney General?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Well, I. I will say this about Pam Bondi. If I was one of those influencers. Do you guys remember when she handed out those. Yes. Those binders. Right. And everyone comes out and it's a big media moment. Everyone's taking selfies. I was one of those influencers, actually. A couple of them, my friends. Jack Osovic was one of them. I would be livid. I would be so mad, because that's. That's so embarrassing. She was.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah, but weren't you taking a look at it before you came out and got used for a photo op?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Doubts me. Probably not. Because I probably would have trusted her. You know, she's. That's an honest answer every single day, you know, saying that she's going to hold these people accountable and she's going to get all of them and then nothing. So maybe I'm too naive in that sense. I would have believed her. All right.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Especially. Yeah. And I guess you got to cut the influencer some slack, because it was early in the administration. It looked like it was early you could just trust.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
And it was still. It was still a time in which you could get away with all talk. Right. It was still early enough that, like, action didn't matter. So she was in a good position for a moment. Until she wasn't.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Who's up for reelection that's running the worst campaign, in your opinion right now, that you like from somebody that helps somebody get elected in a high office in Westmoreland county, you thought, what are they doing?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I am not familiar with Westmoreland county or Allegheny.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
No, I'm saying you helped the Attorney general. I'm talking about like. Like a representative. I'm talking a national election. When you watch their campaign for the House or the Senate, that they're up for reelection and you're thinking, like, who's running their campaign? They're doing terrible.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
You know, it's interesting. I'm really closely following the Thomas Massie
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stuff in Kentucky, which got hot over the weekend.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, yeah. Oh, it's gonna get hotter, too. It's going to get hotter.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
There's more stuff that's going to come around.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
You guys on Twitter?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I am.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Do you see the divide?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Wilds.
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And he's. He's trailing now by, like, seven points. Right.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Depending on the poll. You see, he is really loved in his district to be there. Fully transparent. But, I mean, big money talks. We saw what happened in, what was it, Indiana, where anyone that went against Trump's redistricting efforts lost.
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Yes.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Trump's endorsement matters a lot of places. Huh.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
You know, people still think that it doesn't, but it does. It does. Indiana was a good indication of that.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Wow, That's a good point. Yeah. Massey. I didn't think anything was going to happen to him. Now it looks like he's. He's hurting. That's. That stuff doesn't go away when it's not a good time to have women saying, you, you like. You use them and stuff like that when you're running for reelection.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
But you know what? So funny. Every single candidate has an oppo file. Right. An opposition file. That's what happens when you're in politics. So whoever your rival is, you pay a lot of money and they dig up dirt and even the most random things. So, you know, where you lived in 2014, who you dated, you know, they might call someone, what properties you owned. It's interesting that they waited so long to release this. Yeah. Or maybe they were just aggressively digging and couldn't get anything tangible until this point. If it is, I. You know, that's very interesting. Politics is cutthroat. It sure is. It's cutthroat ugly out there. You know, I will say this. I see the women in politics get it the worst, more so than any other industry, shade, men, anything. It's like in politics, there's no rules, there's no guidelines. You can say whatever to them. I mean, even when I was running Nicole's campaign, somebody wrote her the nastiest letter and told her that she needs to stick to baking cupcakes and stay in the kitchen.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Right.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Instead of running for dish to turn. Is that you?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
It was not me.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, no. Oh, no, No.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I was a supporter. It is interesting. I've always thought it was odd how, like, especially with Democrats, because they're like, they'll write stuff like that to people and. And they're. They're the Ones that are like most against saying that stuff to women. But then if it's a Republican woman.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
You came on. Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
You can light them on fire.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Oh, the biggest, the biggest hypocrites, always. You should see some of my DMs if I post something spicy. Right. It's always middle aged women and their bios are always things like live, laugh, love, or be kind to everyone. Yeah. And they're calling me the most vile names they could think of. I remember one time I had to go an urban dictionary and look up what she called me because I didn't even know what she. I didn't even know what it meant. Like, what does this even mean? You're way more sophisticated than me.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
So you said there's more stuff that's going to come out about Massey. Obviously you don't get sued for defamation, so you're not going to break it. But, like, what else do you know that other people don't know?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I. Oh, that's. That's spicy. See, I actually don't. I don't know too much about Massey. I don't have his oppo file, but I. Everyone has an opposition file, so maybe at this point they're just trying to pepper it in and get what they can. It's interesting.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Have you heard about any other trouble coming down the pike for anybody?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I think there's trouble with a lot of campaigns. We'll see. With Lauren Bovart, she just came out and said that she. Again going back to that Trump endorsement. Right. She just came out and said that she supports Thomas Massie and she also supports President Trump and that's not going over well. So we'll see what happens if she actually does get primaried or anything like that.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
So it's not a safe bet. But Republicans should take the House.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I think with the redistricting efforts, we can.
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And Scott Besant, who has been. He might be my favorite. Him. Him and whoever we brought up earlier, I like the Treasury Secretary, but he said, and he hasn't been wrong once since Trump got in, that gas prices will be back to normal no later than September, which makes sense that they would make sure.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah. Get in.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
And there's ways to manipulate it, even if Iran's not all cleared up, like the federal tax and all that. But then the Senate. The Senate is a long shot. Right?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
We'll see. We'll see. I'd like to, I'd like to be optimistic, you guys. I'm gonna.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I'm fine with me.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
So what do you have going on in the future, like, what's your next big project or thing? You're working on it.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
That is a good point. So I work with Citizens Alliance. It's a pac. The CEO, Cliff Maloney, is an amazing person. If you guys don't know him, look him up. He Iraqi ran the PA Chase in Pennsylvania 2024. So it's a ballot chasing initiative. So every Republican that requested a ballot but didn't turn us back in, he recruits people to go out and chase down those ballots. Actually got Trump over the finish line in 2024. Amazing. Obviously, there were tens of thousands of people who did that. Right. Low propensity voters, Republicans that just didn't, you know, didn't think to return their ballot. So we're working ahead of midterms. We're going to be in some pretty big states. So we're gearing up for all of that right now. Citizens alliance, by the way, I don't. Which camera are we on? I. You guys would think I'm a professional. Right there. Camera one, camera two. Citizens Alliance. You guys should check it out because they're doing amazing things. Ironically, Cliff and Charlie, Charlie Kirk were really, really great friends. And he really wants to honor Charl. Charlie's the one who told him, you need to go into Pennsylvania 2024 and nail that down for President Trump, which is what he was able to do again. Now we're looking at midterms and seeing if we can ensure we built that red wall. It's amazing.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Way to go.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, way to go. And you know what I love so much about Citizens Alliance? My last little spiel. Typically, I'm a, I'm a big fan, obviously, but the money that people donate, you can actually see where it's going. So you see, okay, we are running an Airbnb in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, for this amount of door knockers, they're going to be working time. That's where your money's going. As opposed to, you know, many nonprofits these days that want your money. We don't know where it's going. It's going to help. Don't worry. That's amazing. Yeah. So it. It's a really wonderful report that online. How does that even work? Yeah. So everything's reported, everything's tracked. We have a ton of employees that will ramp up hiring and pay. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So we are getting really excited for midterms.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
That's awesome. Thanks for. What was your interest in being here?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I love Real America's Voice, and they asked me to come out and I love God. And this is a wonderful event, and we're honoring 250 years in the best country in the world. Amen. Can't argue that.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Did you go to church when you lived in Pittsburgh?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
I went to Cornerstone.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Really?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah, I know that church.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Okay. So I have a confession to make.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I'm listening.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
My favorite church that I haven't been able to replicate since is a church in Miami called VU Church. V O U S. Richard Wilkerson. Yes. Yes. Yes. Phenomenal.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
His dad's friends with my family.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Really?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Okay. Okay. It's amazing.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Is Cornerstone Gary Mitrick or not? No. You know, I can't remember who the pastor was in Cornerstone. Might have been Gary Mitcher.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Okay.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
No, vu's great.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Vu's phenomenal. And that's a lot of younger people.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
And you're not going to find it replicated because he's one of a kind. He built a one of a kind church.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yeah, it's. It's massive to the extent you have to get there about an hour early to get a seat. It's so cr. And it's Miami. You know, think of Miami. It's partying. I. I don't know. I think of, like, sinful things in Miami.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
He made a real impact.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Huge. Every. His wife is so anointed. She's so great. They're wonderful. They're. They're such good role models in Miami, which, to be fair. Have you guys spent a lot of time in Miami?
Podcast Host / Interviewer
I spent enough to know exactly what you're talking about.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
It's hard. Yeah. There can be some questionable people out there that I think other people might accidentally look up to. Right? Yep. But they're good role models. They're great. They're doing good things down there.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
That's awesome. I'm glad I got to meet you. Tell everybody about. About that organization if they want to find it. Where can they go?
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
Yes. Go to Citizens alliance doorswinmores.com please donate. If you want to get involved, obviously, we would love to have you. We're doing some big things for the midterms. It's going to be wonderful. And you need every single vote possible.
Podcast Host / Interviewer
That's awesome.
Political Consultant / Fox News Commentator
All right, guys, thanks so much. Thanks for coming on.
Jonathan Shuttlesworth
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Date: May 23, 2026
Guest: Michelle Backus (Political Consultant, Fox News Commentator)
Host: Jonathan Shuttlesworth
This episode features a fast-paced, insightful conversation between Pastor Jonathan Shuttlesworth and political consultant Michelle Backus. Their discussion centers on the interplay between faith, modern American politics, campaign strategy, media commentary, and the practical challenges of advancing conservative causes during pivotal election cycles. The conversation also touches on the importance of effective grassroots initiatives, animal welfare in agriculture legislation, and the significance of churches that impact young generations.
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“Middle America...they’re not looking at the headlines every day...They’re going to the grocery store, they’re going to the gas station. They’re seeing that gas.” — Michelle Backus [03:24]
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“I’m a terrible Republican. I give to PETA. I’m so big in animal rights...” — Michelle Backus [05:36]
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“It’s always middle aged women and their bios are always things like ‘live, laugh, love’ or ‘be kind,’ and they’re calling me the most vile names they could think of.” — Michelle Backus [11:02]
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“You’re not going to find it replicated because he’s one of a kind. He built a one of a kind church.” — Jonathan Shuttlesworth [15:55]
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“Go to Citizens Alliance doorswinmores.com please donate. If you want to get involved...we would love to have you. We’re doing some big things for the midterms. It’s going to be wonderful.” — Michelle Backus
On Animal Welfare & Party Loyalty
“I’m a terrible Republican. I give to PETA. I’m so big in animal rights...” — Michelle Backus [05:36]
On the Power of Endorsements
“Trump’s endorsement matters a lot of places. Huh.” — Jonathan Shuttlesworth [09:21]
On Misogyny in Politics
“It’s always middle aged women and their bios are always things like ‘live, laugh, love’ or ‘be kind,’ and they’re calling me the most vile names...” — Michelle Backus [11:02]
On Grassroots Initiative Impact
“Every Republican that requested a ballot but didn’t turn it back in, [we] recruit people to go out and chase those ballots. Actually got Trump over the finish line.” — Michelle Backus [13:07]
On the Unique Appeal of VU Church
“It’s massive...you have to get there about an hour early to get a seat. It’s Miami...think of Miami, it’s partying...they’re such good role models in Miami.” — Michelle Backus [15:59, 16:12]
The tone is candid, energetic, sometimes irreverent, and marked by Michelle’s openness and the host’s friendly, direct style. They balance light banter with substantive policy and campaign insights, mirroring the blend of faith and real-world challenges that Revival Today aims to address.
For more info or to get involved, visit: doorswinmores.com (Citizens Alliance)