NO LIMITS with Joseph Z and Special Guest Brian Gibson

Summary

NO LIMITS with Joseph Z and Special Guest Brian Gibson

Podcast: Joseph Z Podcast
Host: Joseph Z
Guest: Prophet Brian Gibson
Date: March 14, 2026

Overview

In this dynamic episode, Joseph Z welcomes his longtime friend and prophetic peer, Prophet Brian Gibson. Together, they dive deep into prophecy—exploring its practicalities, biblical foundations, modern misconceptions, and the nuances between various prophetic gifts and offices. With raw honesty, humor, and relatable examples, they challenge myths, highlight the importance of humility and motivation, and encourage believers to pursue authentic prophetic ministry marked by love, accountability, and fruitfulness.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Four Levels of Prophetic Operation

(03:15–11:20, Brian Gibson)

• Every Believer Can Prophesy:
  • "First, the Bible says we can all prophesy one by one… Your sons and daughters shall prophesy." (03:55)
  • Prophecy happens when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit and can range from simple encouragement to detailed words of knowledge/wisdom.
  • Quote: “A prophecy can be as simple as, ‘I am so tired. I want to give up…’ and you walk up and say, ‘Man, I got a scripture for you...’” (05:03)
• Romans 12: Prophetic Gift:
  • Some are especially gifted in prophecy, but not all are prophets (the “grace gift”).
  • These individuals prophesy at a high level but are not in the fivefold Ephesians 4 office.
  • Quote: “People... can start to think they’re in the office of the prophet and they’re not... great gift, but not that office.” (07:29)
• Ephesians 4: Office of the Prophet:
  • Recognized, affirmed by others ("generals"), and charged with training the Body in prophetic ministry.
  • Not qualified solely by supernatural accuracy, but by accountability, fruit, and responsibility.
  • Quote: “Any of the fivefold offices… it’s not just ability, it’s responsibility.” (09:56)
• Prophets with Mantles:
  • The Elijah/Samuel type—prophets who “mantle” others and raise up next-generation prophets.
  • Quote: “He is mantling the next generation. He’s like the prophet’s prophet... that’s his function on the earth.” (10:47)

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2. Accuracy, Motivation & Biblical Models

(12:32–18:13, Brian Gibson & Joseph Z)

• A prophet in the New Testament doesn’t need to be 100% accurate every time; grace and humility are crucial.
• Quote: “We know in part, and we prophesy in part, and the Bible says we see through a glass dimly.” (12:57)
• The example of Agabus (Acts) demonstrates a true New Testament prophet who was directionally accurate though not perfect in details.
  • Quote: “Agabus... says the Jews will bind, but the Romans bound Paul. He saw something dimly. Still a prophetic word.” (15:41)
• Motivation matters more than perfection: humility, submission, and love must drive prophetic operation.
  • Quote: “I would say boldly prophesy and boldly live humbly.” (17:01, Brian Gibson)

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3. Practical Prophetic Flow & Sensory Dynamics

(19:14–28:18, Joseph Z & Brian Gibson)

• Proximity can increase prophetic clarity; some receive more revelation when closer or through physical contact.
  • Quote: "If I get right there, bam. I can start to see and hear and sense." (20:54, Brian Gibson)
• Prophets must learn to “place” revelations—distinguishing past, present, future, and context for accuracy.
• “Say what you see, and nothing more” is a safe approach to avoid adding interpretation.
  • (21:47, Brian Gibson)
• Prophetic operation is highly personal; gazing, touch, or even which hand is used can differ.
  • Quote: “The longer I look, the more I see… If I look long enough, I’ll start to hear and see.” (25:27, Brian Gibson)
• Deliberate prophetic practice and experience increase both sensitivity and clarity over time.
  • Quote: "You have to practice to know how to operate." (26:38, Brian Gibson)

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4. The Line Between Real & Counterfeit

(28:18–31:43, Joseph Z & Brian Gibson)

• True prophetic ministry is distinct from mentalism, cold reading, and psychic arts; the difference is the spirit and motivation behind it.
• Quote: “The counterfeit is psychics, mentalists... What it really is, is what spirit is operating?” (29:47, Brian Gibson)
• Motivation check: “Why do you want to prophesy? Is it about you, or about the person being ministered to?” (30:35)
• Love is the ultimate guide rail; gifts flow best when operating from love.
  • Quote: "Follow after love, desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy." (30:49, Brian Gibson)
• Personal story: God corrects the gift-bearer, reminding them the gift is for service, not self-exaltation.
  • (32:58–35:40, Gibson recounts a prophetic healing for a friend's baby.)

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5. Prophetic Etiquette

(36:29–40:06, Joseph Z & Brian Gibson)

• Honor, tact, and protocol are essential—never humiliate or publicly shame people with private details.
  • Quote: “...you just humiliated their children... Just because you saw it didn’t mean you have to say it.” (38:12, Brian Gibson)
• Follow house protocol, submit to the meeting leader, and don’t interrupt or overstep in another’s ministry environment.
• Quote: “Spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. I know stuff all the time I don’t have to say.” (37:38, Brian Gibson)
• When necessary, approach church leadership before delivering strong or rebuking words.

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6. Accountability, Correction, and Revival

(41:43–53:10, Joseph Z & Brian Gibson)

• Strong prophetic rebuke is rare and, when necessary, only for seasoned, accountable prophets following the Spirit.
• Quote: “Some people... their idea of being a prophet is being the world’s corrector... But there is a time... for people to get a chance to repent.” (42:52–43:23)
• There is an uptick in both authentic revival and counterfeit (strange fire); increased power requires increased accountability and correction.
  • (46:10–51:10)
• The hosts call for prophetic reformers—humble, powerful, equipped prophets doing public, irrefutable miracles as an answer to counterfeit moves.
  • Quote: "I believe we're going to see prophetic evangelists in the street doing irrefutable miracles on camera..." (47:39, Joseph Z)
• Wisdom for dealing with accusations of "data mining": use paper notes or let well-known people bring up strangers to prophesy over, ensuring integrity and transparency.

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7. Prophetic Prayer & Impartation

(53:51–56:49, Brian Gibson)

• Brian prays for a release of prophetic fire, accuracy, wisdom, purity of motivation, and an increase in dreams and visions.
• Warns against “prophetic voice fatigue” from chasing every online voice.
  • Quote: “Stop it with the wondering and the prophet chasing. That's a dangerous space. You need to get yourself grounded and rooted in the Word of God.” (54:31, Brian Gibson)
• Prayer for prodigals, deliverance, and gifting to be marked by love and the right spirit.
• Memorable moment: “It’s not enough to have the gift of the king in your hand, you have to have the heart of the king in your chest.” (35:18, Brian Gibson)

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Notable Quotes and Moments

• Joseph Z: “Responsibility is what makes a prophet, not mere supernatural information.” (09:56)
• Brian Gibson: “I would say boldly prophesy and boldly live humbly.” (17:01)
• On Missing It: Jonathan Cahn once asked Brian, “Do you ever get it wrong?” and Brian replied, “Of course, I’m a human.” (17:39–17:45)
• On Motivation: "The motivation must be love. We're following after love." (30:52, Brian Gibson)
• On Correction: “There are things you hear and see that you shouldn't say. That it's not going to edify, it's not going to sword, it's not going to comfort, it's not going to help." (37:46)
• On Training & Integrity: "Maybe prophetic people... need to just say, put that [device] down now." (52:02, Joseph Z)
• On Revival: “If Jesus is here, revival is here… but I could sense something happening… this is an outpouring.” (48:21, 49:41, Brian Gibson)

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Important Timestamps

• Joseph introduces the four prophetic levels: 03:15–11:20
• Prophetic accuracy and humility: 12:32–18:13
• Proximity and prophetic flow: 19:14–28:18
• Counterfeit and real prophetic gifts: 28:18–31:43
• Prophetic etiquette and protocols: 36:29–40:06
• Correction and accountability: 41:43–53:10
• Impartation prayer: 53:51–56:49

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Final Encouragement

• Seek to grow in the prophetic, but ground yourself in love, accountability, and the Word.
• Authentic prophetic ministry builds up, is accountable, and is always motivated by love.
• Revival comes with both power and a need for reformation: the church needs mature, humble, integrous prophets now more than ever.
• Don’t be distracted by every voice—plant yourself in communities/ministers with proven fruit and sound doctrine.

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Connect with Today's Guests

• Prophet Brian Gibson:

  • His Church - church.cc (Kentucky & Texas locations)
  • Gibson Ministries
  • YouTube: Brian & Jesse Show

• Joseph Z:

  • JosephZ.com

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“Even on a bad day, you’re anointed to be the very best there is.” – Joseph Z (57:41)

Transcript

[Joseph Z]

I want to thank you for joining me today. I have a very special broadcast for you. I'm telling you, this is going to really help you. I'm joined today by my very dear friend, Prophet Brian Gibson, and we're going to talk about all things prophecy, things that you've probably not heard before. And I'll tell you, there's nothing like talking with someone that you can express and communicate on topics that really a lot of people don't have a lot of insight to. And we're going to get into prophecy and we're going to talk about it, how the office of the prophet works, how it, how it works in the body of Christ and how it's going to impact your life. And I think you're going to get a lot out of this for your own ability to hear God and really discern what's going on in the body of Christ. So thank you for being here. And I just want to say to those of you who are watching right now, if you're joining us, I want to thank the partners who help this happen in the ministry and help us continue moving forward, you know, reaching people all over the world. And it's because of you. And if you're watching and you want to join our partner family, maybe you feel a prompting to do so, maybe it's just in your heart. I want to encourage you to do it today. If you do it, you go to josephz.com and what we do when you partner is we call you back regularly. Our prayer team, our ministry team will be calling you simply to pray with you. We're not going to solicit you or ask you for anything. We simply want to pray with you. And you might ask why? Well, it's because we want to build a family and a community together so we can grow and stand together in the days to come. And I believe it's very helpful. So please consider doing that. Josephz.com, we'd love to welcome you and also please share this, repost this everywhere today. I believe this is going to be very important for you to hear and many people to hear. So this is going to be a powerful time. So please help me welcome again my friend, Prophet Brian Gibson. Prophet Brian, thank you for being here.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Hey, Z. What an honor. Prophet to be with you. Love your show, love this ministry.

[Joseph Z]

Thank you, sir.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's an honor to be here with you and Jess and I like you were just talking to your partners. We like sewing into you guys.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, thank you.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

We believe, we believe you're Good ground. I know whatever I sow here is going into the nations. I know it's bringing prophetic integrity, training and getting people where they need to be in the things of the spirit.

[Joseph Z]

Thank you, sir.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Thanks for what you do, man.

[Joseph Z]

Thank you. You've been so generous to us, and we've had such a great time together. And I'm so grateful for you and your ministry and all the things that we're. You know, we're just working out this new terrain of prophecy. Yeah, we're working out kind of a. I don't want to call it a new wine skin, but there's just a. It's a new generation. There's new things happening, and then there's some of the old that's kind of running into the new. And then there's bad and good. And I like working through that stuff. And it's good to be with somebody that knows what they're talking about. Boy, I consider you that you really know what you're talking about in this space. So it's been really delightful, really enlightening, actually, speaking with you on these topics. So I want to just jump in. Prophet Brian. You know, we talked about this before on one of the other broadcasts we did together about your origin, where you come from. We got through a lot of material, interesting things. You talked about basically dealing with people that were false prophets, how to work with it. We talked a lot about the good. You brought up something. And I just. I thought this was so intriguing because people have different modes and views on things. You talked about different levels or types of prophets, and I'd like to just jump right into that. Can you help us? Are there different types of prophets, levels to them, or just operations?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah, yeah. So. So first, I've had a great vantage point as a prophetic person.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

As a prophet, because I pastored churches for 20 some years.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. So I have a responsibility on as a prophet to train people to prophesy.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And then I pastor a local body, so I have to get people operating in the prophetic where they are at their level and their call. All right. So there's a whole lot of, like, how do I get John that just got born again, got water baptized, maybe he went from smoking marble reds to Marlboro Lights. Right. He's taking steps in the right direction. How do I get him hearing from God? Right. And obviously, the Bible's the what we always. The Bible's the ultimate problem.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But I want to get John as quick as I can, operating in the gifts that way he doesn't think he has to ascend to it or he doesn't have to, like, finally, you know, go up on Mount Sinai and get a, you know, a tablet from God before he can be a prophet. No, God can use him right there. So. So here's the four levels of the prophetic, okay? And instead I'll call it the prophetic, Right? First, the Bible says we can all prophesy one by one.

[Joseph Z]

Amen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Every believer can prophesy, right? Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy. Acts, chapter 2. Spirit of God comes on the people. They immediately. They speak with tongues. They. They begin to prophesy as well. Right? The prophetic comes when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit. So everybody can prophesy. And prophecy can be as complicated as telling you with the word of knowledge in it about your past. Right? I see you had three siblings, right? I see a sibling with a J name. Maybe there's a Julie, right? You can start prophesying. You can give them the word of knowledge, tell them about their past, and then it can have, like, the word of wisdom that tells them about their future.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

There's a couple opportunities coming to you.

[Joseph Z]

So good, right?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You're gonna. You're gonna be at a crossroads, and there's gonna be two opportunities. The first one, it'll be good, but it won't be God. The second one's God. So, right, you got this prophecy that could be complex, have words of knowledge, words of wisdom, and then encouraging, encouraging words and lifting in it. And. And then a prophecy can be as simple as, I am so tired. I want to give up. I'm living at that place in my life, and you walk up to me and you say, man, I got a scripture for you. He who faints in the day of adversity, his strength is small. But your strength is small. You got big strength and big faith.

[Joseph Z]

Come on.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And it's just a scripture, but it hits it, right, because the scripture is the ultimate form of the prophetic. Yes. So that's that. There's apples of gold in settings of silver.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

The word spoken in due season.

[Joseph Z]

Come on.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

A fitting word, right? So everybody can do that. And if people are watching right now, you're watching right now. I want you to know that you can operate in the prophetic. You can prophesy, and you can pick this up. More is caught than it's taught. And if you're with. With Prophet Z and you're in a prophetic environment, if you're in the environment, you're going to start to have these occurrences and be able to say and do these things. That's true. I mean, it just, it gets on you. It does.

[Joseph Z]

You get around other prophets. When I get around you, for example, when you and I get into meetings and do things, it's just a different gear begins to happen. And I enjoy it so much. But it is more caught than taught. You have to have good teaching, but it can really be caught when you're around that anointing.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah, the anointing is transferable. It gets on you. Yeah. So people in our churches are going to start to prophesy. Right. If they're around our meetings, they're going to start to prophesy. Then we have to train it. All right, so second level, I believe the prophetic Romans 12 talks about different grace gifts. It's got a list of all these different grace gifts. And in that it says he that prophesies, let. Let, he that prophesies. I think it says prophesy in proportion to his faith.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And that's, that's right there. It's this grace gift. So I think there's a second level of a prophetic person. And I don't believe this person is yet in the office of the prophet.

[Joseph Z]

Okay.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But I think they're probably someone, they're, they're geared this way. More than likely they're going to flow over into prophecy.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And there's quite a few of these people in our church. Because our church is a prophetic environment.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So they've grown up, they've learned they could prophesy one by one. They're not office of the prophet people, but they prophesied a very high level. Yes. They're he who prophesied out of, out of Romans 12.

[Joseph Z]

So good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And you got to be careful because people that are in this space can start to think they're in the office of the prophet and they're not.

[Joseph Z]

And they're not.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. They're a great gift. They have a grace gift, but they're not in that fivefold office. It's a second level. They'll encourage the people around them. They'll have prophetic insight. They'll be a strong help when you're needing to discern what you would just

[Joseph Z]

call that a gift of prophecy.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's a gift of prophecy. Right. It's. They have that gift of prophecy. Then there's what I call the third level. And this is the Ephesians office of the prophet. Right. Five fold ministry gift, Apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, or Teacher. So now you have a prophet and that someone. I believe they've come up through the ranks. I believe that other prophetic people have seen that gift. Yeah, Right. Yeah. They're not just a self proclaimed prophet.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. That's not what it is. They should be functioning in the body of Christ.

[Joseph Z]

Y.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. We're New Testament believers. Come on. We're not, we're not just coming out of nowhere. You know, like, like Amos. I'm just a sheep herder by myself out here. And God called me to prophesy.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know, God can do that, but he's going to do it through the ranks of his body.

[Joseph Z]

He just is.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. It's the way he is. And generals are going to see that gift.

[Joseph Z]

Yep.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So like I was always, probably very early, after I got filled with the Spirit, I learned I could prophesy and give words of knowledge. And then I probably lived in the space, the second space for a long time. Romans 12.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And then real prophets came by.

[Joseph Z]

Yep.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I started spending a lot of time with them and the gift hit a certain level and they recognize the office of prophet in me and set me aside for that. Wow. Right. So.

[Joseph Z]

So good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I've been pastoring for years, so it was recognized. All right. So someone in the office of a prophet, some people think, well, just because he's got a crazy word of knowledge that puts him in the office of a prophet.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, say that. That's so important.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And that's not true.

[Joseph Z]

Right, Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You can have a, a crazy word of knowledge and not be in the office of a prophet.

[Joseph Z]

So true.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

A lot of evangelists I know have a crazy word of knowledge.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, it's powerful.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. And they use that, that healing gift. A lot of times you'll be with an evangelist, they'll know, man, you got a bad knee, bum knee, left side. God's healing it right here. You got a bad tooth. Right. You know, you got a bar fight, broken tooth. God's healing that tooth right now. You know, the evangelists get there, but that doesn't make him a prophet. So any of the fivefold offices. More than. It's just ability, it's responsibility.

[Joseph Z]

That's right. Come on, Brian.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's not just ability, it's responsibility.

[Joseph Z]

I agree completely.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right, so. So he gave gifts for the equipping of the saints to do the work of the ministry.

[Joseph Z]

So good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. So a prophet trains the body of Christ to minister in the prophetic, just like an evangelist more than he's just supposed to Evangelize though he is. He's training us all how to evangelize.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. The teacher is training us all to rightly divide the word of truth and also teach it. And a prophet is teaching people the prophetic. So you got these three levels, and then there's a fourth level that I would look at, and I would call it almost like a Samuel or an Elijah. And, and this is just the way I express this. Okay, sure. This is a teaching device. I call it a prophet of mantle. Right. He's a prophet of mantle.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And he is mantling the next generation. He's like a prophet's prophet that's strong. He's the Elijah that runs the school of the prophets that everybody's looking to. That the Elisha is like, you know, give me a double portion of your anointing. And, and, and here's. He's. He makes other profits. Prophets make profits. But this guy has another level of. That's his function on the earth. Wow. And I think those are the four that I recognize, you know, that I see out there. And I'm not saying my list is exhaustive or perfect. This is just a teaching device I use to help people who is what in the profession.

[Joseph Z]

And, you know, you've come through a lot of experience. You've. You've seen so much. You've been around. I mean, you're around global prophets. You've been in the Central American, American, and there is powerful ministry that happens there. And in some ways in the American church, we see people prophesying it doesn't have the same juice that some of these other nations have. And I think that is just kind of a lesson for American church that we need to really get back to some of the fire, some of the voltage that was experienced there and is being experienced there. And I really appreciate that about you because you have a fresh anointing on you or just maybe just a. How could I say it? You've caught something that was a part of your gifting, but boy, it just really supercharged. Because when I've seen you minister and other people see you minister, they're just like, okay, you don't see that very often. And it's powerful. There's signs and wonders that follow, but it is also incredibly accurate. And the way God works through you. I like what you're saying about the four types of prophet, and I really like that you got clear on the gift of prophecy and the office of the prophet. I think the same. I think it's responsibility If a prophet is prophesying, Brian, do they always have to get it right to be a prophet?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If you get it wrong, we must stone you. You must die. It's death for you, son. You got it wrong. That's encouraging, isn't it? See, if you're going to follow the

[Joseph Z]

biblical model, the Old Testament, follow it all the way.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That's right. Thank God we don't live under the Old Testament.

[Joseph Z]

Amen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's an hour of grace.

[Joseph Z]

Amen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So. So, yes. Here's what I say. I. We know in part.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And we prophesy in part.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And the Bible says we see through a glass dimly.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right, now, if I'm talking to Americans right now, or whoever's watching this in 20, 25, our glass is pretty clear.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But if you go back to the glass, during the days of Paul, they dig this stuff all over Jerusalem called Roman glass.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. And I bought some of it, giving it. My. My daughters wear it around their neck. My wife does. They'll sell it to you and tell you it's a billion years old in Jerusalem. I don't know if they're hustling me or not, but I bought a bunch of it. So you pick up that Roman glass, and it's hard to see through.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Some of it's very difficult to see through. So you see through it dimly, you know, in part. You prophesy part. So the New Testament creates these guide rails, and Paul tells the church of Corinth, let one prophet speak and let a couple of others judge. That's good, because he may not be 100% right. He's seeing dimly. So I have grace for people to be right, and I have grace for people to be wrong.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I think the greatest prophets. All right, we'll operate and they'll be right. 85, 90% of the details.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And there's another little dim fudge factor, you know, and some people are like, ah, that's. That's not. You know, you're looking at an Old Testament model.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

These people are not God.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They work for God.

[Joseph Z]

Come on.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. So stop putting an. Like, listen, if a healing guy comes through and prays for everybody. Yeah. You're not. Stone them. When the. Let's stone him. The guy didn't get up in the wheelchair. He calls himself a healing evangelist. Let's kill him.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You're not like that.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Or what if a teacher teaches something wrong?

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

How Many times have we taught something wrong and came back and said, hey, I used to think this, I got to fix that. Yeah. But now I don't believe that.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. I mean, we got to have some grace there, too.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah. I think that's really powerful. And when we're dealing with prophecy and we're working through things, you know, motivation, I believe, is a major factor. You know, so, like, when you're getting 90% or you're on point or you're not on point, or you miss a detail. The New Testament model is different, and I judge it by the motivation. Are they humble? Are they submitted? Are they in the word of God? And we've all had that. I've had that where I've looked at things and it's like it wasn't perfectly on, but it was close. I'm reminded of Agabus. Right. We were talking about this a little bit where Agabus. And you could take this a few ways, but just to put it in front of everybody. Agabus prophesied that Paul would be bound by the Jews, and it was the Romans who shackled him. Can you speak to that just a little bit?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. Agabus, who is clearly a New Testament prophet.

[Joseph Z]

He was.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And a large prophetic player.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That's not the only thing he prophesied that was big in the New Testament. Right. Other things that came to pass. So he says to Paul that the. He says, the Jews will bind, the Jews will bind, and the Romans end up binding.

[Joseph Z]

That's right. Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So he was warning Paul, if you go up here, this is what's going to happen.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's like, come on, the word is right. And he even ties his hands up right. In the passage. We have that kind of a prophetic illustration with it because prophets like to do things big, and we like illustration. Demonstrative. Yeah. I mean, this is fun. I would love to be in his meeting. Right. He's not boring you, but. But he gets it. Right. And the one detail is different. I think that's a perfect example of. That's a real prophet of God. Right. He prophesies, in part, he saw something dimly. Yeah. Still a prophetic word that they run on that comes to pass.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah. And you could argue that it was completely accurate based on how it played out or that he, you know, there was a detail there. But I think that's a great New Testament examp example.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

100%.

[Joseph Z]

I do, too. I think it's good. And again, motivation is the. Is the factor you know?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah, I can think about time, Z. We prophesy all over the planet.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know, and you do.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And so to do that, you're taking the risk of being wrong every time you prophesy.

[Joseph Z]

It's true.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And that's like you said, the prophets have to be cowboys.

[Joseph Z]

You have to.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And a lot of guys even stop prophesying because they can't stomach the risk.

[Joseph Z]

It's true.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And they don't want to lose or someone to think less of them because they got a detail wrong.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I would say boldly prophesy and boldly live humbly.

[Joseph Z]

Yes. Oh, that's good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Let's boldly prophesy. But let's boldly be humble enough to say, hey, I'm not God.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. I'm doing the best I can here. You know, Rabbi Khan comes and preaches.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah, I love Rabbi.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right. So he comes and preaches from. We've been friends almost a decade now.

[Joseph Z]

It's amazing.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I prophesied to him quite a few times. Yeah. And some of it's been like, wow, that's the same word that I got whenever. You know, the guy prophesied this to me when I was writing the Harbinger. You know, I asked me to proph side when he's with me and stuff. And then he asked me this question once. Z cons in the car with me, and he's like, brian, let me ask you. Can I ask you an honest question? I'm like, well, sure. I'm like, what's up? He's like, do you ever get it wrong?

[Joseph Z]

Oh.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I laugh out loud because that's a funny. I'm like, of course.

[Joseph Z]

Of course.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I'm a human.

[Joseph Z]

Of course.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All kinds of things wrong.

[Joseph Z]

And I think. I love that because it's refreshing. We don't emphasize. Yeah. We get it wrong.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

No, no, no.

[Joseph Z]

But. But you recognize that that is part of it. And I think the Lord has it that way. So we need him. So we need him.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So, yeah, we need him. And we don't start to think that we are the Elijah to come or one of the two witnesses or something.

[Joseph Z]

That's correct.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Because that happens to guys.

[Joseph Z]

It does.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They get puffed up. They become prophetically arrogant. They don't walk humbly before their God.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They think they're always right. I'll give you some examples. Like you can be prophesying to a couple. I was prophesying to a ministry couple, powerful ministry couple out of Latin America. And I was Prophesying to the man. The wife was right by. And I'm like. And you are like a professor. You're like a professor, and you're going to be training people in the spirit. And then I'm like, no, no, wait a minute. That's not right.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You are the professor. Right. I'm seeing, I'm catching. I'm prophesying over both of them. I start saying something over here. I'm like. So I stop and I correct myself. Yeah, no, no, that's not right. You are the professor. And they start laughing. And she was a college professor in Latin America.

[Joseph Z]

I've seen you do that. I know. You just called somebody out that was from the Ukraine. They didn't even look Ukrainian. And you leaned over and you just said, you're from the Ukraine in a meeting, televised. And people are like, how did you do that? I love it when that happens. Just to speak to it. But you had to adjust based on. Okay, I was here. Now I got to go over here. Can I ask you a question about that?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Sure.

[Joseph Z]

Does proximity. Now, this is kind of. We're going to get into some profit talk here, but. Okay, how about proximity? Like, if somebody's close to you or far away. Does. Is it. Does it. Is it better when you're closer or far away? Like when you're close to somebody?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yes. Proximity is power. And just think about in the natural. Like, I'm 48 now.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I start to be able to read things. I have to get the right position away from me.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know what I'm saying? My kids are like, you have glasses.

[Joseph Z]

I got glasses.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I'm. Glasses are for losers. See, I'm just struggling. I'm struggling. That's why I didn't wear them today. You're giving me a complex. Getting the laces. We ought to get. Get a two for one on the laces. But you got to get things in the right space to be able to see as clear as you should. Now. Now, there are different ways of prophesying, but a lot of prophets will work like this.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

When you. Here's the way I'll go in a lot of times if I. If I decide I'm going to start prophesying in a meeting.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right. Or sometimes God tells me to. Sometimes I decide. Sometimes God's like, go say this to this person. Right. You can turn. Once you have that gift, you operate in it. You can turn it on.

[Joseph Z]

And a lot of people say you can't. And. But if you're in the flow. And you're in the office or you're in that gifting. You know you can.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joseph Z]

But then just because you can doesn't mean you should. You're led by the spirit. Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They got to sort all that out. Yeah, but we're getting. We're getting somewhere else. Sorry, bro, but you're right. Should you just. Because you can.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah, but go, go.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

What is your motivation?

[Joseph Z]

But.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But. So, like a lot of prophets, if they touch someone or get close to people, that's when the revelation comes. Like, I watch. Like you've seen me. Like, you'll be standing somewhere. I'll come stand shoulder to shoulder.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If I get right there, bam. I can start to see and hear and sense.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So proximity is like that. And someone can make the case that if there's a lot of people close to you, you can be picking up things off different people. And then you have to learn placement.

[Joseph Z]

It's true.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's one thing to hear something now. You got to learn to place it. And there is a puzzle in the prophetic you have to sort out on the fly. It's true. Right. We're standing in front of people for, like, two minutes, and you're sorting this stuff here. In this stuff, you got to place it. Right. And then there's timing. You see things about people, and if I'm not careful, I could be prophesying. And I don't know if what I'm seeing is future or past in their life. And I can almost start talking timetables back and forth.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If I'm not careful with my language.

[Joseph Z]

You put it together, wraps it up. Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

These are things that are. And I'll just be real honest. I'm like, I don't know if this is past or future, but I see this.

[Joseph Z]

And that's how it should be.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. I'm. This is what I see. This is what I sense. I think we say what we see and we do the best job we can describing it. And you don't say anything more, and you don't try to interpret it all. Say what you see, nothing more.

[Joseph Z]

That's so good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I think it keeps you out of trouble.

[Joseph Z]

I think that's good. And I'm in agreement with that phrase. You know, I think of First Corinthians 4, 6, where it says, learn from us to not go beyond what is written. You know, that means the confines of doctrinal normalcy. You know, you're conventional. You're in the word of God. You know, sometimes people say, where's that in the Bible? Well, you know, so and so's sister is not in the Bible. But you know, you got to be doctrinally sound and you're in the confines of scripture. This is interesting. And you don't hear a lot of conversations like this, so I kind of want to keep going. I think about this when you talk, when you talk about sensory things. And you'd mentioned in a previous program that we did together that when it first started for you, it was very empathetic and you would cry a lot when you were younger and you would work through that. Well, I was very similar. Like, very similar. I would feel things, not know what to do with things. I'd have visions where I snapped away to something and then brought back to where I was. And in that moment, when you're young, you don't really grasp it. And then you think, and this was my take, I thought everybody was like that. I thought everybody must be like this. So it made me actually shrink back, like really introverted. Like you can feel what I'm feeling. But the other thing is, and I want you to speak into all this proximity, distance, being close to people. I found sometimes there's a difference with different hands that you can put on people or when you get near them, kind of talk into that space. Whatever, whatever that is helpful or how you speak to that.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. A lot of this, I think is how the spirit of God works through you. Yeah, right. So like I'm an ord grad, right. I went to, you know, Oru Chancellor Roberts, an evangelist, but he had a certain hand, really, that would light up, that he would pray for the sick with. So he felt like there was juice in one hand. The other hand, I guess was just dead for him. It's interesting, right? My wife's the same way. One hand.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Is the hand she lays hands on the sick with. With prophets there's different operation.

[Joseph Z]

There is, right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like Hebrews says how various times, various ways God spoke to his prophets. And he goes, but now he's spoken to us all through his son. Yes, but there are various ways, various ways, various ways of prophets are spoken to. And so I think it can be, you know, I can get information when I, when I touch people. A lot of times if I gaze.

[Joseph Z]

Yes, right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Which is a little spooky. And I got wizard eyes. My eyes are blue, you know what I mean? Like I'm red faced. So we call it our red, white and blues. Right. It's like our eyes get Bloodshot. When I prophesy and stuff, and my red, white and blues, I'm looking at them and I can get crazy looking. I don't mean to.

[Joseph Z]

In the meeting. Yeah, it's.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's next level, right?

[Joseph Z]

It's next level sweaty.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And my voice is growling. I'm like. It's a lot. I'm sorry to everyone. I prophesy.

[Joseph Z]

I love it, man.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But the. The longer I look, the more I see. And I use that if I go into a meeting and I know they. I'm there to prophesy. Sometimes I come to preach. Sometimes I always open the word of God and I use it as a springboard. Although it is the ultimate measure. Don't. Don't mishear what I'm saying. Yes, but if I decide it's time to prophesy, I'll start gazing.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Even in worship, I'll turn around, I'll be looking at the cr. Like a serial killer. You know, I'm just looking at everybody. I'm gazing. Right. It's just a type of prophecy. I got that serial killer anointing on me, so. So I'll look at them, and if I. If I. If I look long enough, I'll start to hear and see.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah, that's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That's. That's what it is.

[Joseph Z]

And it's one of the. The Hebrew words for prophecy. You know, we know there's roway, there is navi, there is chaza, which means to gaze. That's where word of knowledge comes from. That's what you're doing. And so when you look at it that way, information starts coming. And I think that's great. I've had to tell people in meetings, Brian, you know, if I stare at you, I'm trying not to stare at you. And then I'll try to find. I don't know how you operate with this, but sometimes I'll try to find a blank spot, like their shoulder, or I'll look at a blank spot on the wall. So you're kind of looking away and you're gazing that way. You're not judging the prophecy by their face. You're judging it by what the Lord's actually showing you. Does that work that way?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

100%.

[Joseph Z]

That's awesome.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like, you can't prophesy just by their faces. No, because you can be nailing it. And some people will give you nothing.

[Joseph Z]

Like Scandinavia.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Exactly. Just stare at you. It's like, am I anywhere close to where you're from right now? And then afterwards, they're like, you told me all the secrets of my heart. I'm like, inform your face. Help me out.

[Joseph Z]

Help a brother out.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I'm a human too, you know, I want to know I'm somewhere in the right neighborhood. Yeah. I think. I think learning people. Here's what people don't understand. You have to practice.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

To know how to operate.

[Joseph Z]

You do.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If you're going to operate in the word of Knowledge, you got to use the word of Knowledge.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If you're going to prophesy, you have to. You have to use your prophetic gift.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. And it's. The gifts are without repentance. They're there.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know, but it kind of is. If you don't use it, it'll get rusty.

[Joseph Z]

It does get rusty.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So. So you have to operate in that. And then as you operate, you'll begin to understand how you see, how you hear. I hear whispers. Right. Spirit of God whispers things to me. Names, places. Sometimes I see letters in front of people. A lot of times I'll know, like. Like sometimes I'll know their names. I got some friends that in the namespace, they've trained themselves to look for a certain thing.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You can train yourself to get a certain piece of information with the word of Knowledge.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. So some guys really go out of their way to train for catching names. And I'll walk with them to the airport, and they'll know almost every other person's name.

[Joseph Z]

That's amazing.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I mean, I've got friends, my mentor, prophetic mentors like that.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah. I know. You're talking about what a gift he

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

has all the time. It's always there. But. But you, You. You start looking for certain things and you will start seeing them. But you learn how you operate. You learn how you flow.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I'll see letters sometimes hanging out in front of people.

[Joseph Z]

Yep.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I'm like, I see a J in front of you. Your name start with a J. They'll be like, I'm Jesse.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I pick a lot of J's out. I'm married to Jace. I'm married to a J. I got a lot of J's on staff, so I'm always picking them out in crowds. Jesse's like, even the J names. Yeah. But the word of Knowledge, you train it, you operate in it. You learn how you operate, and then you start to flow.

[Joseph Z]

I want to. I want to dig into that a little bit because I think of people that both do it rightly. But if you're not in the word of God as You have laid out several times here that you've got to be in the scripture, you've got to stand firm, you got to have a relationship with the Holy Spirit. You can have good church accountability, all those things. Right. If people only practice the gift and they don't have the word of God in them, they don't have other things. They go into a space that. I just label it this way, the gray area. And I think that is a place you can develop where, yes, you're looking to gaze, you're looking to do this when the Lord is leading you to do it, and you're practicing the gift with the cooperation of the Holy Spirit. But some people can get into mentalism. Oh, yeah. Because you know what I'm talking about. They can do mentalism, they can do cold reading, they can do all this stuff. And I think these things are worth talking about.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yes.

[Joseph Z]

Because sometimes there's people that are just. And you said this earlier, it's kind of like a carnival act that can come in and do these things. But what we're talking about is truly being led by the spirit of God. The counterfeit is psychics, mentalists picking thoughts out of people's minds that they might have even put there.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right.

[Joseph Z]

That kind of stuff. But speak to that a little bit. We're talking about the real and the counter.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

We're. What we're talking about is someone who really is full of the spirit of God, led of the Lord, operating in their gift and working in their gift.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Now, you can turn a gift on, but just because I can doesn't mean I should.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right, so here's the real question we always ask with this. Because, listen, the psychics can read your mail.

[Joseph Z]

Sure they can.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They can operate in ordinal knowledge. The witches can do it.

[Joseph Z]

Sure they can.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know, the false and the counterfeit can. But what it really is, what spirit

[Joseph Z]

is operating so good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. What spirit is operating and then what? Here's the way I test this. What is the motivation?

[Joseph Z]

Absolutely.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right. What is the motivation? Why do I want to prophesy? Why do I want to give a word of knowledge? Why do I want to speak into someone's life? Yeah. Is it for their benefit? Is it for my benefit?

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Is it to make me look like a big deal?

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So here's. Here's what the. The guy that mentored me would always ask me. Like his gift was so strong when I'd first traveled with him. I'm like, how do you do that? You know? You want to know.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

How do you hear? What do you see? And he would never answer those questions for years. Never answer those questions. For me, he'd be like, what is the motivation? That's all I want to know. Brian's what is the motivation?

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Why do you want to prophesy?

[Joseph Z]

Why.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Why do you want to have a word of knowledge? What is the motivation?

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And what he's getting down to is the motivation about you.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Or is it about the person? So that's First Corinthians 14. Right. Follow after love.

[Joseph Z]

Come on.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Desire, spiritual gifts.

[Joseph Z]

Come on.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Especially that you may prophesy. The motivation must be love. We're following after love.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So we love the person. We love our God. We love the person enough that we want to see them receive edification, exhortation, or comfort.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That's why you want to prophesy. It's got to be love. Now, my wife's dad wrote a book years ago called, I think it was Follow the Flow of Love, Trying to think of the name of it.

[Joseph Z]

Okay.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And he did a lot. He's got a good healing gift.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. More. Not really in the space of prophecy as much, but healing, miracles. And this is how he based his whole ministry. Wow. And so he would teach us younger, how do you operate in your gift? You look for love going towards people.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So if I feel love towards someone.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

God highlights them. There's a love. I'm drawn to them. If I'll follow that flow. Follow after love. That's when the stuff happens. Happens. That's good. You will see the gifts.

[Joseph Z]

Faith works by love. These things. That is so good. Number of years ago, Brian. That's what the Lord said to me, because I was when I started. And you can probably relate to this or just say, you know, you were a special case, Joseph. But I. I would prophesy to people one after another, one after another, just by the hundreds sometimes. And I remember the Lord came to me and said, I am not impressed with what you're doing. And I said, really? I. I'm doing this for you. And he's like, are you? And I had to work through that. And it dawned on me that the Lord actually, according to Ephesians 4, 11, and 12, that he wanted me to edify and equip the people. And said, just like you're teaching, I want to love people through you. I want you to love people. So when you're saying, follow the love, that Just so bears witness to me because we want to take care of God's people and honor the Lord that way. And I love that about your ministry. When I watch you minister, you serve hard. Like I don't know many people that prophesy is intensely and is long and just with just fervency to help people get what they need. And I just so respect that about you. So what you're teaching, you do. But I want you to continue.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Well, the love thing. You're talking about God getting your attention on. Why? What's the motivation?

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I had a buddy when I was a kid. I was just starting to operate in the gifts. I'm in my early twenties.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

His wife gets pregnant, you know they're going to have a baby. They go to get checked, they get a bad report and they say your child has down syndrome, malformed heart. And the doctors say you should abort this baby. Wow. And our friends are like, no way.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. We honor life. We're having that baby.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

We're not believing it.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And their family comes over, they give them the news. And some of these were new believers. And I go walking over to meet with them. I walk into the atmosphere and it's like a mourn fest. Wow. You know what I'm saying? The doubt, it's already in there.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I walk in and the word of the Lord comes to me. I'm a young guy trained in the prophetic and I hear the word, that baby is going to be fine. And the word is. It is. Well, from the story of the shunamite woman.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Don't you say another word other than it is. Well, this kid's going to have a great life and a normal life. Watch what I will do. All right. So she goes full term with the baby. They deliver the baby and the doctors, either God did a miracle or the doctors were wrong. Baby wasn't downs right. Didn't have down syndrome, but did have some issues in. In the heart that have now all been fixed.

[Joseph Z]

Thank you, Lord.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Beautiful 25 year old girl serving God, you know, living a great life right now that if they just would have believed that advice would not be on this planet, man. So be careful what voice we heed and listen to. Oh, amen.

[Joseph Z]

So good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Let's listen to the word of the Lord. But I go down to pray for this baby in Dallas in the nicu. And at that point I probably wanted to be a gospel gunslinger. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's fun when you're right. Oh, Yeah, I mean, it's. It's fun when the stuff happens.

[Joseph Z]

Gunslinger.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. You know, it's like me. You know, like your name is this. You know what I mean? Prophesying. So I'm looking at this baby and the baby at that point in this. In this crib in the nicu, and there's cords coming and going out of the child. They're working on its heart. And God speaks to me like the wind of heaven blew in that room. And God's like, hey, Brian, this is why people need my gifts. Wow. It's not about you looking good. It's about this child that's alive right now that's going to make it because of the prophetic word. And I'm like, yes, Lord, you're right. And I traveled preaching about that for a long time. That it's not enough to have the gift of the king in your heart.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Our gift of the king in your hand. You have to have the heart of the king in your chest, man. It's one thing to have a gift in your hand, right? There's a lot of people got a gift in their hand, but they don't have the king's heart in their chest. And you may bring the greatest gift in the world, but you're not going to deliver it right. Because it's going to be out of the wrong spirit. So if we get the heart right, we can deliver the gift. Right. And I want to represent the king accurately.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah, boy. I. You know, I think what we're talking about really needs to be brought to the body at a greater level. But a lot of people talk this way, but then they don't demonstrate power, you know, or they just get all. For lack of a better word, they preach the pretty, pretty pony gospel message and just. Yeah. Instead of really bringing power that backs it up. But when you can demonstrate power but have that heart. Here's another thing. This is going to be interesting, but I know you do this anyway. Prophetic etiquette. Etiquette. Can you just talk about that a little bit? Like, in other words, when I'm near somebody in a meeting, I've seen people just jabbing people and shoving them and all that. You know, they're just. There's one thing when you're in the power of God and good things are happening, and there's. There's demonstration, there's demonstrative things, but I'm talking about just bad etiquette. Have you been around any of that?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Oh, well, sure. Yeah. A lot of people don't know with etiquette. I love this about you. Problem. You always are the gentleman of the.

[Joseph Z]

You are Mr. Rogers of prophecy.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I look like a sweaty mess of a Santa Claus when I'm with prophet Brian.

[Joseph Z]

It's like. Like I'm country and he's rock and roll.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like, we walk out of services and you're all looking together and I'm, like, wet and my. My beard and my hair and, like, my shirt sticking to me.

[Joseph Z]

And you got 20 people healed, and it's amazing.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. It's ugly, though. But. But I'll say this. Like, I watch you go out of your way even when you point to people.

[Joseph Z]

Sure.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You do this, like, I call it the Disney princess hand that you go with.

[Joseph Z]

Well, thank you, Brian.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Want to go? You don't want. It's like all of this because you don't want to go because this is kind of rude.

[Joseph Z]

It feels. It feels accusatory.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It feels big. Me little you. And I do this. And I'm sorry, but I think your spirit of what you're doing is right. I mean, you're trying to honor those people.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I love that about you. So the scripture says this to you laughing at each other now? It says this. It says that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet.

[Joseph Z]

That's exactly right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So I know stuff all the time. I don't have to say.

[Joseph Z]

That's exactly right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And maybe I shouldn't say.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

There are things you hear and see.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That you shouldn't say. That it's not going to edify, it's not going to sword, it's not going to comfort, it's not going to help.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And there are certain places you should say things and other places you shouldn't say things.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. A guy can get up and even know, like. Like, I know prophets that are strong in their gift. They said they were young and they weren't disciplined. They go into churches and say, hey, you are sleeping with this. Why are you totally with this man's wife?

[Joseph Z]

Seen that too.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like, publicly.

[Joseph Z]

And they're both there.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And they're both there.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah, I've seen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. It's not like you should. You've just humiliated their children.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah. And it's accurate.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And it's accurate. And like, you could have done that. Maybe you were supposed to give that word. The whole church doesn't need to know that right now.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah. What good does that do?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

What good does it do? You've humiliated a family. Maybe a son and a daughter. Are so embarrassed they can't go back to the church.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Just because you saw it didn't mean you have to say it. And you're like, oh, what can I do? I hear I must prophesy. No. The spirit of the prophets is subject to the prophet. That's even holding a prophetic word. Like you're not mature until you can walk to who's in charge of a meeting. Right. Through the right venues.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And I'm not into you just screaming out prophetic words in somebody else's church meeting.

[Joseph Z]

Amen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That's. That's out of order.

[Joseph Z]

It is out of order.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. They don't know you.

[Joseph Z]

They don't know you.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You could be a crackhead. You could be a witch, you could be anything. What makes you think. It's like. It's like just showing up and starting telling everybody's children what they're going to do.

[Joseph Z]

That's.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They're not your kids.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So you should be around there long enough. You go through the proper prophetic channels. You walk up, have got a word.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And then whoever's in charge, if it's your meeting.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I don't prophesy till you tell me to.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. I sit in your meeting, you point at me and you tell me to go, and.

[Joseph Z]

And you actually ask me very politely, and I'm the same with you. But you. You stand up and you'll say, do you want me to go or do you want me to just to go a little bit? What do you want?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

What do you want me to do?

[Joseph Z]

And you want me to prophesy. And I'm like, prophesy and then. And, yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You're in charge. Give me the green light now. So for people watching, they're attending a church, you get a word.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Depending on the size of your church, the flow of your church, you get a word, you may be able to go to the pastor. More than likely, if you're in a larger church.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You're going to go to an associate or a leader.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And tell them. And then they can decide to give that word or hold that word, and you should be okay with their decision.

[Joseph Z]

That is so good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

They're in.

[Joseph Z]

So good. Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If God wanted you in charge, he'd have put you in charge of that whole room.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But he didn't.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So you got to honor that.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So. And then when we talk about just ministering to people, like being rough with people.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

With the laying on of hands with etiquette, too.

[Joseph Z]

I've just seen people do, you know, like.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like, yeah, I got a buddy. And it's one thing to get excited. Oh, yeah. So I get it.

[Joseph Z]

I get it.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I got it, too. Sweat on people I spit on.

[Joseph Z]

I totally get it.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I get it. But, like, there's this guy, and my friend just mowed him down. And this man's a Viking of a man. This minister mows him down, puts him on the back. He looks up at the crowd and he says, you said I pushed him. He needed a push.

[Joseph Z]

He needed a push, he said.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And, you know, the guy kind of did. But you got to be careful. You got to be careful with that kind of stuff because you don't want to just manhandle people.

[Joseph Z]

It's true.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know, you got to minister with love.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Try to be as gentle, but, you

[Joseph Z]

know, the Holy Spirit will lead you, and you learn the rhythm, and people learn it, and, you know, fruit is coming. You can read that terrain. But it's good to talk about these things. And then here's another question that I think helps people. Have you ever had to give a strong rebuke? Because we're talking about all the other things, you know, it's good, and we're doing good etiquette. I was in a meeting one time. I had to call a guy out one time. I saw him, and I really didn't want to. And the Lord told me, you tell him, he's not listening to this, this, and this. This is his last chance. He was in a balcony. And I just pointed at him, Brian, I just said, sir, you're doing this, this, and this. I said, and the Lord says, if you don't stop, your life is coming to a close. And it all played out. He ran to the altar, got right with God. But, you know, if you're not on point, you can really destroy someone or a meeting that way. Has that happened? We're talking about etiquette. Then I want to say, how do we handle the other side?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

There is a time where it is time for a strong rebuke like that.

[Joseph Z]

Sure.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And it can be public. Yeah, right. It can be public, and it can be spirit led. But typically, that person has went through so many other chances. Yeah, right. They've ran the gamut on every. That's what they could come up. And we're at the end of the road.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And then when you prophesy something like that, it's. It's strong. There is a time for that. I'll say. I don't think novices should be out rebuking people prophetically.

[Joseph Z]

No, you don't make the decision to do that.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right, right, right. And this is. You've been in the prophetic space a long time, seasoned, you know what I mean? Around people.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And then when you're talking to levels of people, too. Right. It says the New Testament says, don't rebuke an elder harshly.

[Joseph Z]

That's so good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But entreat them as a father.

[Joseph Z]

That's so good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. You're talking to family.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So when you have a corrective word, you have to come with a gentle, humble spirit.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And now there is a time, if we're at the end, the line might roar like you're saying, hey, get it right, or you're a dead man.

[Joseph Z]

Where God's shouting at him.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right, right.

[Joseph Z]

And that's happened maybe two times in my ministry.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. That's not the norm.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Some people, their idea of being a prophet is being the world's corrector.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, and that's so wrong.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And like, they are in charge of the world and they walk in and they're like, looking to see if there's any evil spirits in the church. Well, of course there is. There's a thousand people in here.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right.

[Joseph Z]

And that's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Some of them are in all kinds of mess.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So I promise you there's some evil spirits in every church.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And some of these people think of the world's corrector. So they run around doing this kind of. Of thing, and I think it becomes a dangerous space. But there is a time, like you're saying prophet, for correction and for people to get a chance to repent.

[Joseph Z]

I think that's really good. You know, not because we look for that. We look for the harshness of anything. But part of what prophets do is they build up, they tear down for the sake of the kingdom, not people. We're not talking about people. We're talking about structures and changing things for the glory of God and for the body of Christ to live. You know, all that. And so that. That time comes, I wanted to ask that only because it's something that I so seldom would step into, but the Lord has had me do it. And I think that there are times for that in the body of Christ mostly. That type of thing should be a private setting. It should be something where, Hey, I have a word for you. I need to talk to you. And I think that's important. So protocols and Just working through prophecy is, you know, it's kind of a sensory issue. It's something you have to feel with the spirit of God. You gotta be led by the spirit of God. And today we're seeing a lot of nonsense. What I call getting right sized. Do you think the Lord is doing that in the body of Christ right now? Right. Sizing it.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I believe that. I'll say this. We've been. From my perspective, see, we've been in a revival. Very strong pockets of revival breaking out in our church over the last couple of years.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right? I mean, crazy stuff.

[Joseph Z]

Your church is awesome.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Thank you. I appreciate that. But we've had, I mean, just the miraculous and the wonders down from people healed of all kinds of things, literally. To the resurrection of the dead in church service.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Where people died. Everybody's working on them. They're dead. Through prayer. They come back.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I mean, that's not just normal church. Right.

[Joseph Z]

No.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Now, I'll say this. The revival hadn't stayed right here at two years.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

For two years at this real high level. You know, there's an ebb and a flow dips down because it is a church. And every service can't just be. We're going to smoke your head with, you know.

[Joseph Z]

No.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

The power. It's like, okay, the kids need to learn to the Beatitudes.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

We got to teach them the Roman road to salvation. What about the fruits of the spirit?

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

These are important things, too, that are pastoral functions. But. But the gifts have gotten. You can always access the gifts by faith. Always operate in the gifts.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

The gifts have been running since Pentecost.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. They've always been out there. Somebody's been using the gifts. But right now it feels as though to me that the miraculous is easier than it's ever been.

[Joseph Z]

I agree.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. Like. Like healings. Crazy stuff that we used to only see. Ever. So, you know, one or two like that a year now. It's like frequent.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Matter of fact, so many miracles, so many signs and wonders were like, we got to start writing these down or we're going to forget about them. Which is crazy.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So I think there is a bumping up of the moving of revival and the gifts of the spirit. And with that there. The fake.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. A counterfeit to try to discredit the real thing.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And so I think God is coming in with this hand of correction.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And correcting and changing some things to make sure we get it right as the function goes up. I think also the control mechanism of how we operate has to go up,

[Joseph Z]

Brian, you know, when we're taught. Yeah, the control mechanism. I just. I love talking with you, you know, you. I'm going to jump. I'm going to jump the train onto another track just subtly here.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah.

[Joseph Z]

You relatively knew Charlie Kirk. Like, you at least met him and talked with him.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. We spoke at some similar events. Talked to Charlie a few times here

[Joseph Z]

and there when his life was taken. And it was horrible. I believe that a prophetic war cry went out and then. And you and I talked about this the day after the event. You were at the event, his funeral.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah.

[Joseph Z]

And you and I were actually videoing each other there. And after that, I was praying after that. And the spirit of the Lord said to me, this has happened. I'm trying to bring revival, but now will also come strange fire. So you got that. You got strange fire. And I believe this. And I'm wanting to say this for a reason. I believe that what is going to come next, because you were just talking about miracles when Charlie changed, it shifted some things then. I believe strange fire has been trying to rise ever since. I believe the antidote to that is going to be prophetic reformers that just like we're seeing people that are in the streets, like citizen journalism, bringing things out. I believe we're going to see prophetic evangelists in the street doing irrefutable miracles on camera in the street. That's going to get national and global attention. I believe that's going to be the counter to strange fire. And I say that because when I get around you, I see you doing that. I see things happening. I just quite frankly had to release that while we're talking.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Amen.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I receive it. I'd love to be in the midst.

[Joseph Z]

I want to be a part of that, too. Amen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I receive it, see everything you say, prophet. Yeah, I. I was. When. When Charlie was martyred.

[Joseph Z]

Yes, right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

When he was martyred. I could feel revival building.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So, like, I'm not one of these guys that's always saying revivals coming.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. I get tired of revivals coming.

[Joseph Z]

Amen.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. It's always coming. We prophesy great revival. Revivals coming. Right. It's been coming since I got saved. I prefer just to proclaim, it's here.

[Joseph Z]

Come on, cuz.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

If Jesus is here, revival is here.

[Joseph Z]

That's it.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So I say it's here, but I could sense something happening on the way up to when Char Charlie was martyred.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And then Jesse and I, we were called by mutual friend. Come on over. Right. They. And what was pretty cool about that event is they had a bunch of preachers.

[Joseph Z]

Uhhuh.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Sitting by, all the high level business guys and the politicians.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

We're all down there in the same place.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Which said something that they value us. Like they valued some of these other guys. Just powerful. Because it's not about our money.

[Joseph Z]

No.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

You know, we're not writing. Most of us aren't writing, you know, a million dollar checks to political campaigns. But they valued where we stood for the word of God. But going into that thing, I think there was 270,000 people somewhere around that stadium.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like about. I think it was like. I can't remember if it's 100,000 were in my number. May be wrong.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right. Don't quote me on the number. It's been a while. Like a hundred thousand in it. 20,000 across the road.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And like tens of thousands of people turned away. All right. So I'm driving into the stadium. These people are walking out.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And it's kids, like, dressed like they're going to church.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. They got their khaki pants on and their polo.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Carrying their Bible.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And they're young, God honoring kids. Me and Jesse could see them and we both just start weeping, man. Like, look at them, honey.

[Joseph Z]

Wow.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Look at these kids coming here to honor this man of God that won't revive them when our nation touched. And Jesse and I are weeping and it's like this is. This is an outpouring. This is shifting, changing.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

This is revival.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Now, like you say, I think some strange fires been released also. I think what we had there has been tainted some. With some political. Political narratives too.

[Joseph Z]

I agree.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. I mean, there's all sorts of conspiracies wherever they are on that. I think it's tainted some of what God was wanting to do.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

There's some real anti Israel stuff that's come out.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, it's wild.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

In the midst of the conservative movement where I'm like, like just out of nowhere.

[Joseph Z]

Right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I think it's hurt some of these things.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But I think what you're saying is there is an answer of real signs and wonders.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah. You started saying that and it just really got strong because you said it. You said, I believe that, that the miraculous, the supernatural is like better than ever right now.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

It's easy.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah, it's easy.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I will say that. It's easy.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like I've seen like just praying for the sick Z. Like watching hearts get healed, cancers get healed, blind eyes, deaf ears. All these things that used to be when we got one of them.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And it happened throughout the years, but it was like a real, you know, now it's almost like you for. Oh yeah, I forgot that guy with the blind eye. We need to journal it, you know, so, so do. Then I do think God has to come and correct when this stuff starts happening. People that have juice but don't have etiquette. People that may be just jumping on the train.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Somebody's going to have to come and correct like you say, and give us some guide rails. Show us how not to get weird.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like even we talked about it in a previous program. Like the data mining.

[Joseph Z]

Oh man.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Like I'll watch some of the guys with people that, that,

[Joseph Z]

you know, they

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

have accused of data mining.

[Joseph Z]

Yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

I watch them just reading off their, I know, you know, devices while they're doing words of knowledge.

[Joseph Z]

Literally holding a device and just telling people.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

So I'm like, why don't we, I think we should start to train prophetic people. Put down your devices. Oh, maybe if you're going to operate heavily in the word of knowledge, you might ought to go just old school paper and notebook.

[Joseph Z]

I've been wrestling with that because when I, when I preach, I'll use like an iPad. You know, just teaching the word.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Sure.

[Joseph Z]

But I've really been thinking about this. You know, I've had this conversation that maybe prophetic people, at least when they go to prophetic ministry, they might need to just say I, that's. Put that down now.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. You're a different kind of prophet because you're a prophet and also a teacher.

[Joseph Z]

Okay.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right. So you're going to have more detailed notes than the average prophet.

[Joseph Z]

When you and I talked, I was like, I'm going to submit to this word. How do I do this?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Right, right. So I think you do your teaching. And, and like I'll do this sometimes I'll have three or four sermons on an iPad. I'll walk up, I'm looking at the crowd to feel which way I'm going to go when I'm on the road and then I got all those notes right there, I can go to it. But when I think you could do the same. We could do the same. While we're teaching, you use the device. When it's time to prophesy, you shut that device, put it down so nobody can think you're getting information from somebody.

[Joseph Z]

I think that's why?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And start getting out there in the crowd and prophesying to the people.

[Joseph Z]

So.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Good. Another thing we'll do to make sure somebody doesn't think we're doing something weird is get people everybody knows at the church. You go bring me somebody to prophesy to.

[Joseph Z]

I love that.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Go get whoever you want. Go get whoever in this room. Bring them to me.

[Joseph Z]

I like that.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

And we'll give them a word like that. That way they know you're not doing something somebody else did that was weird.

[Joseph Z]

I think that's a good protocol right there.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Now, everybody isn't capable of prophesying like that. But a developed prophetess.

[Joseph Z]

Oh, yes, right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

A developed prophet is. But everybody. I wouldn't have a novice, you know, because most of the time you're going to walk in. When I used to prophesy and travel, I came to bring a good word, and I was going to give about five words to people.

[Joseph Z]

Sure.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

God's going to show me the people and I'm going to have a word for them.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Back then you probably couldn't have brought me anybody in the room.

[Joseph Z]

Sure.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Now you. Now you can.

[Joseph Z]

Yes.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But I'm decades in now.

[Joseph Z]

Yes. I think that's really good protocol now just for everybody watching and listening. Right now we're getting into some heavy prophetic conversation here. It's like you're sitting in with me and Brian in the living room, and we're just going into it here. But I believe the spirit of the Lord is helping you even as you're listening to this. And so what I would like to do just for the sake of today is if you would, Brian, you could share something if you have it, or if you would like to pray, I would really appreciate that. Just pray for the people.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah. Listen, I want to pray for you. I want to believe God, that there's a release of the supernatural into your life. And then I want to pray that you're not led away by stray voice.

[Joseph Z]

That's good.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

All right. There are so many. Let me just pastor for a second, Then we'll start to pray. Very good. There are so many strange online voices that are saying all sorts of things. And when I go to conferences, especially prophetic conferences, there's lots of people that they have what I call prophetic voice fatigue. They're listening to everybody, looking for every. Every avenue to get a word. Listen. Stop it with the wondering and the prophet chasing.

[Joseph Z]

That's right.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

That's a dangerous space. You need to get yourself grounded and rooted in the word of God, you're at a good place right here with prophet Z. Find people that are stable and solid and get into the word of God. That's going to change you and that's

[Joseph Z]

going to help you.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

But right now I want to begin to speak into every person right now that wants an increase of the prophetic anointing. Yes, being able to prophesy right now, I lose a prophetic fire through this camera and into people all around the world. I declare your tongue is the pen of the ready writer. I declare you fill your heart with the word of God. Supernaturally be full with the word of God so that you can prophesy in proportion to your faith. I say that there are many of you, that there are dreams coming at night. I sense a very strong anointing for dreams. As you lay down and sleep, you're going to start to hear the voice of God in your.

[Joseph Z]

Come on.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Some of you will even be woken by dreams so vivid that you have to get up and it's a call to prayer. But you're going to take the dreams and deliver the dreams to the people that you see about the dreams. And you'll learn to prophesy through your dreams. I declare that there's a word of knowledge and a word of wisdom. So, Lord, we thank you for the gifts of the spirit. I thank you for the help of heaven even now. Father, I thank you right now that you're encouraging people as well. I see prodigals. I see women that are praying for prodigals very fervently. Yes, I see. I see young ladies in addiction that need to be brought out. Thank you, Lord, I thank you that you save every prodigal and help the people in the name of Jesus. Lord, I bless them. Now I pray for every leader and every ministry person that you would teach us to flow in prophetic.

[Joseph Z]

Yes, Lord.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Lord, help us to do it well and do it right. Help us do it with the right spirit, the spirit of love. I bless your people in Jesus name.

[Joseph Z]

Amen. Man, man, that was a powerful prayer. I mean, I feel the spirit of God. I just want to say to you, you know, Prophet Brian, I call him Prophet Brian. He is a pastor. He's a leader in the body of Christ. But this man really is a prophet. He's a friend of mine. And this is something that I just really wanted to bring to you today because I believe that you're being impacted. You're hearing something maybe you've not heard before. And Brian, would you do this? Would you Tell everybody how to get a hold of you. What's your church website? Where are your churches located? Can you tell us where to find you on social media? Everything.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah, if they go to his church, church cc, they can find our churches there. We have churches in Kentucky and Texas and then gibson ministries.com.

[Joseph Z]

yeah.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Is our personal ministry. Come on. You can find everything about [e-mail] and it'd be an honor to connect with you. Friends of Prophet Z are friends of mine. We love you.

[Joseph Z]

Well, I want to say this. I encourage you not just to connect. I encourage you to partner with Prophet Brian. I encourage you to go be a part of his ministry, stand with him. And honestly. And you have a YouTube channel too. You and Jesse, right?

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Yeah, we got the Brian and Jesse show. Come to the Brian and Jesse show. We'll have a good time. You'll meet my better half.

[Joseph Z]

That's so great. Well, I got to say, you guys are also excellent at teaching about marriage and so many things. And so I just want to sincerely thank you for being a part of this today. You've been awesome, man.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

What an honor, Steve, thanks for having me.

[Joseph Z]

Oh my goodness. Well, let me look right at you. I just want to say thank you for everybody being here. The Lord is touching your life. I want to thank the partners of this ministry standing with us and all the things you do. And if you want to partner here today, you can go to josephz.com and the information for Brian and Jesse Gibson is available there. You need to check them out. I'm telling you, this is a voice that God is bringing around the world to speak to leaders in the body of Christ and the body of Christ. And I just want to thank the partners for making this possible here today. And you can go to josephz.com if you want to become a partner today. And we'll call you back regularly because we care about you and we sincerely want to pray for you when you partner. We pray for you, we call you and pray. So I encourage you to do that. And thank you for being here. I hope you received something good from this today. And we'll just keep having Prophet Brian back because we got more to get into. I bless you in Jesus name. Even on a bad day, you're anointed to be the very best there is. I will see you soon. Don't go anywhere. Watch this. Spiritual darkness is not not simply meant to be pushed back and held at bay. Rather it is meant to be punished. That's why I just wrote this brand new book called Punishing the Darkness Spiritual Warfare that works. You know the thing people don't get many times is that God calls you to win every time. He calls you to results based believing. And when it comes to the powers of darkness that are trying to take over this world, mutilate our children, run this world into the clutches of the devil, God has called you, his believers to stand up and punish these forces by your faith. When you read this book, it's going to give you effectiveness and the horsepower to push back, even punish the darkness. And it talks about breaking cycles of anxiety, offense, fear, spiritual fatigue, things where it's warfare in the mind, witchcraft, all the things that is happening in the culture. And you've got to recognize that that God wants you to rise up and begin to destroy those things of darkness that are trying to destroy your family and you. Even on a bad day, you are anointed to be the very best there is. I hope you get this book Punishing the Darkness Spiritual Warfare that [e-mail] today.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Foreign.

[Joseph Z]

I wanted to say a very special thank you to our partners. Partners, thank you. Whether you've been a partner with us since the very beginning, the early days, or whether you've recently become a part of our partner family, I want to just simply thank you. Because of you we're able to do so many things that we could never have accomplished without you working with us together. We're so grateful for you and from the very bottom of our hearts we wanted to say thank you to you and we pray for you every day and we stand with you and we're believing God is going to do magnificent things through this partner family in the coming days. As a matter of fact, I have a promise from the Holy Spirit about it now. If you want to become part of our partner family or you're even on the fence about it thinking about it, I, I would encourage you to do so today by going to josephz.com or you can text the keyword give to 719-25-90029. Your partnership helps us advance the gospel and it helps us fulfill the commission God's given us to raise up a million to reach a billion that's lives a million clear eyed, clear minded reformers to go win a billion. A million for a billion. And we know we can do it with your help. I believe with you, your help we can impact the world and we're looking forward to stepping into this at a greater capacity than ever before. I just want to say thank you and invite you to the family by going to JosephZ.com today. The prayers of the righteous that have come forward in 2020. The prayers of the righteous in America. The way we've cried out to God, I heard the spirit of the Lord say, I'm going to finish what I started. And when we walk these things through, there's one more round he's bringing. And it's going to be revival, it's going to be awakening, it's going to be all these things. I actually believe we're stepping into the precipice of a great awakening.

[Guest Intercessor]

The minute I said yes to Jesus was the minute I attained all of life and godliness and righteousness and wholeness. It all belongs to me. I attain it the moment I say yes, Jesus to you. Just as you are saved, so are you healed. He paid for it all. When you place a draw in a demand on your covenant and you place a draw and a demand on the word of God, that's when faith begins to arise on the inside. And nothing will stop you. Nothing.

[Joseph Z]

For I am raising up an equipped warrior called group of intercessors. I see mantles for intercession coming on people that they will stand up and begin to go to war in their home, in their living room, and begin to stand against principalities and powers. I see them doing this. The Lord's going to begin to assign you to pray, to intercede, to break yokes off leaders, to break them off, those around you to be gossip busters.

[Guest Intercessor]

I declare breakthrough. I declare. Declare breakthrough. I declare breakthrough in your hearts. I declare breakthrough in your minds. I declare breakthrough in your household. I declare breakthrough in your bodies. I declare breakthrough in your relationships right now, by the blood of Jesus.

[Prophet Brian Gibson]

Because it's your covenant.

[Guest Intercessor]

It's your covenant right. And anything else is illegal.

[Joseph Z]

Thank you, Lord.

[Guest Intercessor]

Right now, in the mighty name of

[Joseph Z]

Jesus, right now, even on a bad day, you're anointed to be the very best there is. God has called you a man or woman with a revelation from God Almighty is not at the mercy of a culture going mad. We're going red in the blood of Jesus. Jesus is Lord.