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Savannah Guthrie
All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the partisan.
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Craig Ferguson
Partisan.
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Savannah Guthrie
It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off. So how about a cosmopolitan or a mistletoe margarita?
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Craig Ferguson
I'm thirsty.
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Savannah Guthrie
Watch. I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow.
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Craig Ferguson
Beginning to feel more seasonal in here already.
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Savannah Guthrie
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian, because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.
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Craig Ferguson
Tis the season to be jollier.
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Rufus Wainwright
Add some holiday flavor to every celebration.
- [00:47]
Craig Ferguson
With the sleek, sophisticated home cocktail maker Bartesian.
- [00:51]
Rufus Wainwright
Pick up your phone and shake it to get $50 off any cocktail maker.
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Craig Ferguson
Yes, you heard me.
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Rufus Wainwright
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Craig Ferguson
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Rufus Wainwright
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Craig Ferguson
From festive performances and great gift ideas.
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Rufus Wainwright
To tips for the perfect holiday feast, join us every morning on NBC and make today your home for the holidays.
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Craig Ferguson
The Craig Ferguson Pants on fire tour is on sale now. It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid it's still only me. Craig Ferguson on my own, standing on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me. Buy tickets, bring your loved ones. Or don't come and see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones. I'm not your dad. You come or don't come, but you should at least know it's happening. And it is. The tour kicks off late September and goes through the end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available@the craigfergusonshow.com tour. They're available at the craigfergusonshow dot com tour or at your local outlet in your region. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to interesting people about what brings them happiness. My guest today is one of the, to my mind, one of the most important artists working in America today. He is a singer, he is a songwriter, he is a composer. And I, you know, I'm not really that comfortable around people with great talent, but he's very personable, as you will see. Let me tell you what I'm doing, which is I'm breaking my rules by A, I really wanted to talk to you in person because I feel like that helps. And B, or 2, I. I don't normally. There's a couple of people that I've never ever wanted. I kind of break my own rules a little bit. I never invited David Bowie on my old late night show because I thought, what if it doesn't work out? What if he's. What if he's horrid? And I've had the same problem with you and Sting. You, David Bowie and Sting. I'm like, I don't know if this is going to work. So this is really. If it works out okay with you, then I'll book Sting. But other than that, it's not.
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Rufus Wainwright
Coupled. Coupled. White male. There we go.
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Craig Ferguson
You worked with him, didn't you, didn't you do a tour together with.
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Rufus Wainwright
I worked with Sting a few times and I knew David somewhat. He. He came to a few of my shows back in the day and we actually even had a bit of, not a disagreement, but a misunderstanding at one point early on, which was very exciting.
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Craig Ferguson
Sounds very exciting. Can I ask what it was about?
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, no. What had happened is that we were both doing this Tibet House benefit. I was very young, I think I was 23 or something, and we were both doing this benefit and I was also making an album at the time I was making Want One. I was a little older than 20. I was more God. Anyways, so I'm getting up there.
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Craig Ferguson
Tell me about it. I'm 62.
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Rufus Wainwright
I know it's crazy, but anyways, I was making a record and I was using a lot of David's musicians, most notably this great guy called. Oh, God, now. Okay, now it's going to happen. Great guitar player. Spooky Ghost is Jerry Leonard. Great guitar player. And then I had his drummer and so forth. And I think David Bowie felt a little bit scared that I was poaching his band at the time, which I wasn't aware of, but that was sort of an underlying thing that he had. Anyways, we were doing this show together for the Tibet House benefit, and there was this quartet, a string quartet that was playing that was also that David Bowie had brought in to do with him. And I said, well, there's a quartet available. Maybe I'll do something with the quartet as well. And it was kind of offered in that way. So I rehearsed with the quartet, gave them something to do. And then the first time I met David Bowie, who, when he was sitting there, he was thinking, this guy's trying to steal all my musicians. You know, he was just like that. The first thing I said to him was, hey, David, thank you so much for letting me work with your musicians. Like, it was the first thing I brought up. And it kind of took the. And I was talking about the quartet just because they were there. But then he used to have this woman with him, Coco, who would hang out, who was sort of his protector, this woman. And she.
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Craig Ferguson
I think.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. And she immediately shielded him from me and was like, get away. And like, don't. You know, I don't know. So it was not a great first meeting. But then subsequently, he understood that I wasn't going to steal his entire band. And then he was fine. He came to a lot of shows and it was fun.
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Craig Ferguson
It's funny because I always sort of imagine musicians to have a sort of collegiate environment where they're quite open and collaborative with each other. But I suspect maybe, as you. There may be egos involved as well.
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Rufus Wainwright
Maybe not quite like that, slightly. I mean, look, what always struck me the most about David is how almost childlike he was still. I mean, in the sense that he was. He still has such a sense of wonder about everything. Like when he went to see my show and I get in and I think he enjoyed it, I could really tell that he was dumbfounded by what he saw. And I'm sure it was. That's the way he was like, with a lot of things that he loved, you know, it was like a genuine kind of openness and. But that comes, you know, with also a little bit of, you know, childlike anger.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
And fear.
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Craig Ferguson
But it's interesting because I wonder if you have the same. If you have the same thing, because you travel across many different type genres of music, it seems to me effortlessly, like you just inhabit one and then move to another. You can move from folk to jazz to Broadway kind of razzmatazz and remain yourself within it. Is there a sense of. Do you have a sense of wonder about it? Do you retain a Sense of wonder about it.
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Rufus Wainwright
I have to maintain a sense of wonder about everything in my life in order not to, you know, I'm not going to say slit my wrist. That's a little overdramatic. But, you know, to certainly.
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Craig Ferguson
I understand.
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Rufus Wainwright
To certainly function, I have to keep that spark going. And yes, it enables me to. I think what I've managed to do, which is pretty good, is that I've managed to sort of, you know, I dropped out of school twice. Like, first I dropped out of music school and then I dropped out of art school. Like, I never received a major education in college. And I think that was a real saving grace because for me. Because therefore, I never really felt like I totally knew what was happening or what I was doing or like I never had a degree to be like, no, it's official. Because I would find that. So I'm always. So I always feel like I'm. I'm learning as I go along. And that's. Yeah, I think it's important to try to remain ignorant a little bit.
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Craig Ferguson
It's funny, I'm fascinated by that take on it because I. How. How you know, your experience of you. Because I find you, like. I mean, I know and love your work, but I know next to nothing about you. I mean, I know what's available on the Internet, but I feel like your work. And in a way, I know that it's probably a comparison that's done a lot, but I had the same kind of feeling with Leonard Cohen's work that I felt there was a kind of humorous, almost gothic menace with a sense of fun which I could never quite pin down. I feel like it's contained somewhere in a minor chord somewhere. Or maybe it's that super kind of weird Canadian intellectual world that I find fascinating.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, well, it's a little bit. I think the Canadian aspect cannot be underestimated in the sense that. Look, I don't. I was born in the us I was born in New York. My dad's. Loudon is American, has lived in New York his whole life. But My mother, Kate McGarrigle, was Canadian. And yes, when I. Parents were divorced, I moved to Canada and was brought up there mainly. And I do feel that there is this kind of. And it kind of also, interestingly enough, relates to Scotland and to England, is that, you know, growing up and the fact that it was Quebec, which adds. Has a whole other. With the whole French thing anyways, is that you're in this strange world where you're part of a faded empire, you know, and it's even more. It was much more pronounced, like, in the 80s, it was so pronounced in Canada, as opposed to in England, where it was. It had become sort of, you know, they'd had enough. And certainly in Scotland, but it was still so trying to be English. But then you're right next to the United States, you know, which is just so dominant. And then I was also in Quebec, so we're all doing this in French. And so you just develop this strange perspective, I guess, of both, you know, being in the middle of everything and also being totally. And nobody can understand where you come from. So it's. So. It's. It's. It's. Yeah. Being Canadian has definitely influenced me as a.
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Craig Ferguson
It has a weird kind of. I wonder if it's something to do with the darkness. I always think that in Scotland that just the fact that there's no light for half a year, really, and it somehow makes a different sort of person.
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Rufus Wainwright
Well, what's interesting is growing up in Quebec, in Canada, and we had incredibly cold winters, which, sadly, I don't think they're as cold as they used to be. But they were, you know, this. These gothically cold winters with a lot of snow. And the whole thing of, like, how Russia, you know, whatever the Soviet Union was this evil empire that, you know, that nobody could understand, we kind of got it. We were like, oh, no. We kind of related more to the Soviet Union in terms of what we had to go through in terms of winter. Because at least even you guys had, like, the Gulf Stream, you know.
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Craig Ferguson
That's right. We would get a lid, a little bit of beach.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, yeah. So we kind of understood that.
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Craig Ferguson
Have you been to Russia?
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Rufus Wainwright
I went once. Yeah. Many, many years ago, and it was amazing.
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Craig Ferguson
And I found it fascinating because I grew up. I'm older than you, but I grew up with the same information about, you know, these people are the evil. Different. This is. The Soviet thing was it's very sterile and they're all kind of like automatons and frightening. And I went there and it's very. Did you go to Moscow?
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, I went to Moscow, yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
Did you go to the. Because I went to Red Square in Moscow. I thought it was. It's about. It's. It seems to me, very high arch camp villainy.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
It was fabulous.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. Well, I mean, I remember flying into Russia, flying to Russia and definitely getting the sense that you were going into another universe. You know, like, it was. It was. It has nothing to do. I mean, it's stone. It's own planet in a lot of ways. And then once I got there, I felt it. It was even more pronounced. What I will say, though, is that of late. And now I'm just going on and on, because I tend to do that, is that I was just in Greece for a wedding, and I'd never been to a Greek Orthodox wedding. I've been to a lot of Catholic weddings. I've been to a lot of Protestant weddings or whatever, but I'd never been to a Greek Orthodox one. And it really struck me how different it was from the, you know, the west, how different the Eastern Church is from the Western church. It's that there's. It's such a divide. And I know it sort of harkened back to that. That's what the difference is. It's that.
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Craig Ferguson
Do you have a connection to a church?
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Rufus Wainwright
No, I don't. I mean, look, I was brought up in a very Catholic place. I went to Catholic school. I was never baptized. My mother was highly affected by the church. She was brought up by nuns and somewhat traumatized by that. And, for instance, recently I wrote a Requiem mass that premiered in Paris and is actually going to be in LA at Disney hall in May with. It has a narrator part in it, and Jane Fonda will be the narrator.
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Craig Ferguson
That's fantastic.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
So I was gonna offer myself up, but if you already got Jane.
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Rufus Wainwright
Well, you know what she did. That's precisely what she did. Really? Yeah. Cause I was at an event with her. I didn't know her too well, but we were just talking, and then I said, oh, yeah, we just come. I was just in Paris where we premiered the Requiem. It's called the Dream Requiem, and there's a narrator part in it. And in Paris, Meryl Streep did it in Paris.
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Craig Ferguson
Okay.
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Rufus Wainwright
So. And I said. I said, you know, Jane, we're gonna bring it to la and we're gonna do it at Disney Hall. And then Jane went, I'm doing it. I was like, what? She was like, I'm doing it. And she immediately hired herself, and she's Jane Fonda.
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Craig Ferguson
She did, yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
And I was like, okay.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Rufus Wainwright
I guess that's it. But pertaining to the religious thing. Yeah, that's sort of. I'm not religious, but I'm affected by it somehow.
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Craig Ferguson
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Savannah Guthrie
We'Re all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the partisan Bartesian. It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off. So how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe margarita?
- [18:10]
Craig Ferguson
I'm thirsty.
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Savannah Guthrie
Watch. I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow, it's beginning to.
- [18:16]
Craig Ferguson
Feel more seasonal in here already.
- [18:18]
Savannah Guthrie
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian. Because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.
- [18:30]
Craig Ferguson
Tis the season to be jollier.
- [18:34]
Rufus Wainwright
Add some holiday flavor to every celebration.
- [18:37]
Craig Ferguson
With the sleek, sophisticated home cocktail maker Bartisian.
- [18:41]
Rufus Wainwright
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Craig Ferguson
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Rufus Wainwright
I'm definitely not. I'm definitely not an atheist. I have a strange kind of childlike wonder, hope whatever that there. That everything is connected and everything has a reason. And I'm able to sort of tie that together with my music and with my career at all. It's always, you know, fit. I wouldn't say nicely, but it's always managed to come together, shall we say.
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Craig Ferguson
You have a kind of. Autodidact isn't the right word, but you have a quite. But you have a didactic career anyway. You have an odd kind of. Are you looking for something? Are you looking for something in the music?
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Rufus Wainwright
I'm a three headed monster because I have. There's a. And they're all very separated. One of them is a singer. You know, I'm a real singer. Like I sing my work and I sing other people's work and stuff. And that is its own animal who I know very little about. You know, it's kind of this creature that, you know, appears and I kind of just have to ride, you know, and make sure that, you know, to put it back or it doesn't devour other people. So it's this animalistic side. Then there's the songwriter, you know, which is more sort of like where I come from, like my family. It's like our trade, you know, it's like my sisters do it, my parents did it. It's what I learned how to do and I love doing it and so forth. And then there's the composer wanting to be a composer. And I think that's really me in terms of what I. Yeah, that's what I wanted to do as a human being. I was like, I want to. I would like to be a composer. And I've managed to do that somewhat. I mean, it's not all I do, but I'm. I mean, I'm talking up the stream Requiem a lot, but it's just. It's a big deal for me, so.
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Craig Ferguson
No, it is a big deal, but to write a Requiem Mass is almost like it. One would think it was. It's kind of an act of devotion in a way. Right.
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Rufus Wainwright
Well, no, what's odd about it is that you know, I wrote, I wrote a lot of it here in la. There's a beautiful. A mansion in Silver Lake called the Paramore Estate, which is this old. It looks like something from Sunset Boulevard. It's up on top of a hill with these incredible views. And the owner, this wonderful woman, Dana, she let me use a wing of the estate to compose the Requiem. And I was there for a long time, for months, and especially the month. I don't know if you remember. You live in la, right? You live here?
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Craig Ferguson
I have done. I don't anymore, but I live in la.
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Rufus Wainwright
There was a, there was a, there was a winter like a couple of years ago where it was just raining and it was when there was like 10ft of snow in the mountains, like, and people.
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Craig Ferguson
I think I was, I think I was.
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Rufus Wainwright
So I was kind of shacked up in this, in this estate and the estate, after it had been privately owned, had been turned into a Catholic girls school. So there was all these crosses and, you know, Virgin Marys everywhere. And it just, I don't know, it just poured out of me, all of these religious kind of feelings and especially, you know, working with the Mass, the Latin Mass and really. And I was a little frightened at how easily it came forth. And in the end I decided, you know, I may not be, you know, Catholic or anything, but I would say that certainly in the world we live in right now, which is so crazy and so, you know, troubling, there is a need for some Christian, real Christian values. And I'm not talking about the church, I'm not talking about. I understand, you know, but just like, be good, you know, thou shalt not kill, you know, you know, everyone be nice, you know, and you know, let, let's save the poor and be good to the poor and like, you know, these kind of simple Christian things, which are very touching and we. And the world still needs. Even though, you know, you don't have to do it as a religious person necessarily, and even the religious people aren't.
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Craig Ferguson
Doing it right now, which is a real conflict. Do you, I wonder if you were talking about living in the wing of this like mad old mansion as you, as you write the, this Requiem Mass. Whenever I write or if I talk to people who. I write prose and other people who write prose, they use music as a place to go. A lot of people use music as a place to go, to go to a place of inspiration or a place where the doors open up or to put yourself somewhere else. And I wonder if that's possible for a Musician to do. Or if there's some kind of other stimulus that has to. That has to. Is the silence, the something that does it. Is the music inside your head already.
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Rufus Wainwright
It used to be alcohol and drugs. Well, and that was a great. That was a great one.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
That did the trick. Now. Not now. Not. Not as much. So. So I would say, you know, it's funny because, I mean, once we get into that conversation, I mean, you know, I certainly was afraid, you know, when I quit drinking a long time ago that I wouldn't be inspired and I wouldn't be able to find, you know, and get into that place. I have found, actually now that aging is the new kind of, like, inspirational thing of, like, not feeling so strong, not feeling more vulnerable, seeing your child have complete control over you, you know, And.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
And just. And it's sort of. And then that's when I kind of cling to songwriting and to, you know, lyrics and stuff and. Or going to a concert and hearing. I find myself much more inspired now in a deep way, by what's happening around me because I've gotten a little older, and I kind of understand it more. And therefore, it's more frightening.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah. I think the aging thing is a fabulously interesting vein because I always thought I actually. I have a tattoo right here where I normally wear my watch of Saturn, the bringer of old age. And the Saturn in Host the Planet Suites was kind of what got me onto it. Because in the Planet Suite, with all the kind of bumpy pump and then the Saturn piece of music is so weird.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
And I feel like aging is. I think you really nailed aging with these kind of weird pushing minor chords. It's like. It's very, very odd. It's not just the mortality aspect of it. It's the whole kind of. This is.
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Rufus Wainwright
Well, it's also the gifts that you receive from having survived and gone through these experiences. I mean, one thing for me that was so necessary and kind of thought out when I started my career was that I wasn't gonna be this kind of rock and roll tragedy where I was just, you know, this sort of flare that goes up, and it's amazing. And then, you know, who knows what could happen? You know, you either disappear or you die or you kind of get bitter or something. And that's sort of why I gravitated more towards classical music as, like, my main love and opera and stuff. Because in that world, all the best music, all the greatest music is written when you're old. Like, all the great composers, the Heavyweights, they're all. It's always at the end of their life where they finally kind of get into this serious space of, you know, contemplation or whatever. And so I'm, you know, I'm. Yeah, I've always kind of makes a.
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Craig Ferguson
Great deal of sense. I mean, especially if you look at the rockers that do survive, they tend to play the songs that they were. They wrote when they were, you know, in their early 20s. You know, the Rolling Stones are still singing I Can get no Satisfaction.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
You know, after 60 years ago, they wrote that song. I mean, and it's great. It is a great song. But it. But if. But if you want to. I wonder sometimes what it feels like to be connected so much to a piece of your life, which is so distant.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
No, it's. It's sort of. I mean, I. It's funny you mentioned that, because it is. I feel so fortunate. I mean, look, I had some. I had a lot of success when I started out and. But I never quite was. I never kind of hit the summit, you know, that of, you know, pop hit ness or whatever. And I. That was the greatest godsend that I could have ever wished for as an artist. Cause I've always been able to just explore and go further into these other different. Without having to, you know, harken. I mean, there's a couple of songs, like, everybody wants to hear me sing Hallelujah. Okay, we'll do that. And maybe cigarettes and chocolate milk and poses like these kind of things. But it's not. But I'm not. My whole career is dominated by those. By that work. So it's. So it's. I'm very fortunate in that way. I mean, I would have loved the, you know, financial perks of having, you know, written Hallelujah. But. But, but, but whatever.
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Craig Ferguson
I don't know, though. I mean, I know quite a few very rich artists.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
Who. Who I think would be much happier in your shoes for a few less million dollars.
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Rufus Wainwright
Oh, yeah, totally.
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Craig Ferguson
I think that the. The problem is that, particularly now, I don't know if you get any pressure to do this. I suspect not, because I think. I think you exist. I see the way I see you, and this may not be how you are, but the way I see you is you. You live within your own world. You. You set the. You set the limits to what you want to do. I. I find myself constantly fighting with people about, can you post this on Instagram? Can you do that?
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Rufus Wainwright
And I'm like, yeah. Why? Yeah. I mean, I have to do that as well, so that makes me feel a bit better. No, no, you have to kind of play that game a little bit and, but yes, in the end of the day, I have not, I never, whatever, I never took a bite out of the apple or whatever, you know, I, I, I, I just, I just stayed true to, you know, what I wanted to do artistically and in a lot of ways, not out of desire. It was just, I didn't know how to do anything else. You know, I, I would, you know, I wasn't particular. I just was so driven by what I heard and saw that I, that I just had to go that way.
- [31:49]
Craig Ferguson
Well, I think that's an artistic impulse though, isn't it? I mean, I think that's, that's the gift of being, of being like that.
- [31:55]
Rufus Wainwright
I mean, it's funny because there's people. I mean, look, I know, you know, I'm very good friends with Neil Tennant from the, from the Pet Shop Boys and. Yeah, and he's a dear friend and he, he's, he's, he was on my.
- [32:08]
Craig Ferguson
Old late night show. He was fabulous.
- [32:10]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. And he's my favorite person to talk to about all things kind of cultural and, and historical and especially to do with show business and so forth. And he, you know, really, he started as a journalist and he, and he wrote about, you know, pop, the pop world. And so for him, like having a pop hit was such a huge deal and really all that he, what he dreamt about, he still knows about great music and great art and stuff like that. But he was, you have to be invested in it. And he was so very much invested in it and he got it and I was never invested in it, you know, and.
- [32:51]
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, well, you come from the strange dark French, English, Scottish, weird Canada, you know, daylight, nighttime, you know, I don't know, I imagine you live in a, you know, in some kind of castle. The books are helping.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, it's Castlesque.
- [33:10]
Craig Ferguson
Good.
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Rufus Wainwright
Castle esque. I actually sang at Hearst Castle over the weekend. Yeah, I was up there. I was invited to sing in the. Dining in the. They call it the refectory. Refect. Refect. Refectory.
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Craig Ferguson
Refectory.
- [33:25]
Rufus Wainwright
Okay. Yeah. But it's, it's the dining room. But I sang, I sang there and that was, that was pretty wild because when you think of who had hung out up there and you know, up on.
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Craig Ferguson
It's a very, I'm fascinated by that time.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
Actually, this is my, this is my pitch to you, actually. This is what I think I have now. I've been saying this to everybody because of what's going on right now. Like, everyone's saying, oh, it's so crazy. The politics have never been so crazy, and it's so bad. I've got into reading Gore Vidal's narratives of Empire.
- [33:58]
Rufus Wainwright
These.
- [33:59]
Craig Ferguson
It's like seven novels set from America. I think it was all the way up to Watergate, from the beginning of America. And have you read them?
- [34:09]
Rufus Wainwright
I haven't read them. I mean, I'm a big fan of this.
- [34:12]
Craig Ferguson
Oh, my God.
- [34:12]
Rufus Wainwright
Okay, okay.
- [34:13]
Craig Ferguson
You've got to read them.
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Rufus Wainwright
Okay. Or.
- [34:16]
Craig Ferguson
Because they have such a. In a weird way, I always found Gore Vidal's very reassuring anyway, because I thought if there's somebody that clever around will be all right.
- [34:27]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
- [34:28]
Craig Ferguson
And he writes so well about the craziness that America has been going through since the beginning.
- [34:37]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [34:38]
Craig Ferguson
And, and, and I found it. I find that stuff. It has a real gothic quality about it as well.
- [34:45]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, well, I mean, I think. Yeah, yeah, no, go ahead. No, no, I think. I think you're. You're correct. I mean, it's. It's this. I mean, yes, we're. We're gearing up for what will probably be a very violent, you know, period with this rhetoric is very violent, but there's been periods that have been way more violent. I mean, the whole thing of assassinations and people getting beat up and like mobs and stuff, it's very much part of American culture and part of world culture.
- [35:17]
Craig Ferguson
I mean, it's part of humans. It's the fight against. The fight against the, you know, that kind of impulse and darkness is. Is on a big level, you know, on a societal level, it's hard to change. As what you talked about earlier, the idea of moving from the self destruction of the alcohol and the drugs and all that kind of stuff and moving away from it because it feels like agency. I think that's why people are so attracted to that kind of rhetoric and violence, because it feels like you have agency in the world where perhaps you don't really.
- [35:55]
Rufus Wainwright
Right.
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Craig Ferguson
And I think that I felt the same. I got sober 32 years ago and I felt the same thing that I thought, well, I don't know who I am if I'm not drinking and party and who am I? And whatever. I always thought I was much funnier when I was drunk. And when I got sober, I didn't think I was as funny, but a lot of people who saw me thought.
- [36:26]
Rufus Wainwright
I was a different perspective. Yeah, no, it is so interesting, because I have the same thing. I always feel as though I was much funnier when I was stone and stuff. But I looked then at footage, you know, because for me, it's been a long time as well. But I look at footage and I'm hilarious all the time, you know, because my very. My very nature is hilarious, you know, of just whatever. The voice, the way I kind of twiddling around and the way I see things. And it's me, you know, and it's. I'm not trying to. You know, it's not an act, which is always funnier when it's not an act.
- [37:14]
Craig Ferguson
I think the truth is much funnier and it's much harder to believe. But also that authenticity and that truth is gonna lead you to. I think it seems to have led you to the Gothic mansion in Los Angeles where you write the requiem mass or singing at Hirst Castle or not writing a surefire pop album that will get you the arena tour. And I don't know. I think there's a limit to what money can do for you.
- [37:46]
Rufus Wainwright
Well, I think it's also. It becomes your drug of choice, then becomes artistic exploration. I mean. I mean, I'm, you know, if. I'm like one of my greatest stories ever. For me, in terms of getting sober and what that meant and something that I think about all the time is that I was. Many years ago, I was super high and drunk and stuff, and I went to see this production of Electra, the opera Elektra by Strauss. And it was an amazing evening. It was so wild and crazy and my head exploded and all of that, and I really loved it. And then a few months later, I had went to rehab and got sober. Cut to a few months later, go to the same production of Electra because it was still at the opera. It was just as amazing and my head was just as blown, and it was the art that kind of went searing through and it was just. And for me, that was such an emblematic experience of like, oh, okay, you don't need whatever. Just focus on that, you know, because it has all the power.
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Rufus Wainwright
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Craig Ferguson
Whenever I talk to someone who's getting sober, who's artistic and they, the worry is always that is that I won't be able to create. I won't be able to write or sing or play the guitar or whatever it is and, or paint or. And it always seems to me that artists, really interesting artists who are, who are creating work while they're drunk and high are creating that work despite the fact that they are drunk and high. Not because they are drunk.
- [41:41]
Rufus Wainwright
Yes, yes, yes.
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Craig Ferguson
And, and if you get, if you are in a situation like that, then I think it. You get frozen.
- [41:51]
Rufus Wainwright
Yes.
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Craig Ferguson
Like I, you know, like you going, like you saying that you went moving into classical music and becoming more, you know, and getting older and weirder.
- [42:00]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
- [42:00]
Craig Ferguson
You know, which is I think something that's hard to do if you're stuck in.
- [42:05]
Rufus Wainwright
Well, the other thing too. The other thing too is that with. When I was in the pop world, and I still am occasionally, but it is more centered around. Not centered so much now, but certainly back then around drugs and alcohol. I mean, it was, you know, Queer Love and, you know, Smashing Pumpkins and everybody and Jeff Buckley. So it was sort of this very hazy time and it was, you know, fabulous in a lot of ways. And I would have it any other way. When you get into the classical world, drugs and alcohol have nothing to do with anything. Like, it's just a total other subject. Once you get on stage and you're rehearsing or you're composing something or you're presenting, it's just 100% about the music and that's it. And I've just always. That has always been very. That has helped me a lot to have. Yeah.
- [43:02]
Craig Ferguson
I think also the collaborative nature. I mean, if you're working with 60 piece orchestra.
- [43:06]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. There's no time for any.
- [43:10]
Craig Ferguson
And I think also the idea of collaboration with other people who are technically, if not if they're not writing the piece the way they can play, they're just as good as you in terms of being able to put the notes on the instrument.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. Better in a lot of cases. In a lot of ways.
- [43:28]
Craig Ferguson
And I think that it's also like, you want to bring your game up a little bit if you're around it. I think you're right. I think it becomes. Because I got sober when I was not when I was doing standup, but I was doing a play. I was doing the Rocky Horror show in the West End in London and there was a lot of moving parts and a lot of. And there was a lot of, you know, like, I don't think Richard O'Brien was sober at that point either. But you could get hurt if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, if the machine came down and it kind of required you to be on top of it a little bit.
- [44:04]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
And. And I think that that's kind of encouraged me to also. I didn't. When you see that, look at disappointment on people who know you can do better things.
- [44:16]
Rufus Wainwright
Oh, yeah, I know that. I know that look. I know that.
- [44:20]
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, it's. It's my least favorite look. I try never to practice it on my children when I like. But if I really want to torture my voice, I'll say, you know, I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed.
- [44:33]
Rufus Wainwright
How old are your boys now?
- [44:35]
Craig Ferguson
I have a 23 year old and a 13 year old.
- [44:38]
Rufus Wainwright
Wow. So you're still in it. You're still in it. Well, I mean, I have a 13 year old daughter.
- [44:44]
Craig Ferguson
Right. Well, you're dead. That, that's the in it. Yeah, that's it. It's. It's an interesting challenge with the generation. Not so much the 13 year olds now like my 13 year old, I feel like I can have a, I, I have a direct and easier communication with him.
- [45:01]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
But the, my older son is very much a generation which. Yeah, we, we're great, we gone fine. But it's, it's a difficult generation for me to connect with. I have to, I have to work at it a little bit because I feel like I can offend very easily. I don't want to do that. I don't want to hurt people's feelings and I, I really genuinely don't. And I feel like it's easy to do that.
- [45:26]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
With them.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. I mean, my daughter. I think our 13 year olds are in an interesting position because I think on one hand they're just really tough. What they've had to endure what they've seen with, you know, with the whole pandemic thing and then, you know, Trump and you know, like, like there's no sugar coating to, to the world and phones and you know, you know, like. So, so it's very. They're on one hand and at one time there's a lot of worrisome especially I think with daughter. I think with girls it's kind of. Well, I think actually, it's actually bad with both. But that being said, I think they have to be tough, which is a good thing. I mean they have to, they're not having it handed to them.
- [46:17]
Craig Ferguson
No. It's also, I mean I'm very grateful that I came of age in a time when my behavior wasn't being digitized.
- [46:25]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
Over. I mean I made a fool of myself on a lot and lot of evenings falling down. You know, just the truth is I sometimes like to talk up. My drinking and drugging is kind of like a bad, wild sort of crazy thing. But if it was just that, I'd probably still be doing it. It wasn't. It's kind of pathetic. It's the, it's the fetal position at 4 o'clock in the morning. You know, it's the, it's the, it's the incontinence of mouth, you know, speech and everywhere else, you know, totally the pathetic nature of it. I would hate to see that.
- [47:07]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, no.
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Craig Ferguson
You know, and I'd be embarrassed by it. I also think, you know, the idea of, you know, people. I'm very glad that I got married and was in a stable relationship before dating apps as well, because, you know, I don't know how to. I wouldn't know how to do that.
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Rufus Wainwright
It seems that it's.
- [47:29]
Craig Ferguson
It's a. It's a law and, you know, junior high school is. The world is junior high school. Yes.
- [47:38]
Rufus Wainwright
Yes. No, it certainly is. It certainly is. No, it's very. Yeah. And this is the thing also, as talking when I spoke earlier about getting older is sort of the new drug.
- [47:50]
Craig Ferguson
But it.
- [47:50]
Rufus Wainwright
But it is this strange kind of thing where you become. Now I do feel like the nerdy teenager in the corner, like, while the party's going on and, like, nobody's paying attention to me, and I'm like, kind of have a crush on, you know, whatever, like the football player. Like, it's like. It's just. It's just. It's. It's. It's. I've just reverted back to that. That state, which is horrible in certain ways. But it's also. You're really looking at the. You're kind of fascinated by the world as well. Like, I'm not. It's less. It. Because it's more scary. It then becomes more interesting.
- [48:30]
Craig Ferguson
Well, it contains. It contains terrors that I hadn't. I hadn't counted on. The idea of my own, you know, crumbling is less frightening to me than the fact that, you know, I have children and I, you know, I love them more than I can understand. I don't know what to do with that. And to have that kind of menace.
- [49:02]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
To hang around. It's. It's a strange. It's a strangeness. But I think. I think I quite like getting older.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
If I'm honest.
- [49:13]
Rufus Wainwright
No, I do. I mean, I just hit 51, and I will say that I loved my 40s. They were. Yeah, they were just flying high, gliding through, you know, checking out the scene. You know, it was just looking great, feeling fine. You know, it was just. It was just amazing. Fifth. Then you hit the 50s and you really, like, you hit it. And it's only because it's not because you feel totally different, but there's a slight change. It's a very slight change. And just. And you just start to have thoughts like, you know, that little pain could be my death, you know, like, it could happen, you know, and it's just this. So there's just this. I think the Early, I'm imagining. And you can tell me that the early 50s are tricky. Cause you just start to sort of like there's these little bells that go off and you're like, oh. I imagine that by the end of your 50s, you're just like, whatever. You're like.
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Craig Ferguson
You kind of get used to it.
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Rufus Wainwright
Okay. I felt like by the end of my 50s.
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Craig Ferguson
By the end of my 50s, I was used to it. When I turned 50, I was. I was crazed. I didn't even want to talk about it. When I turned 60, I was like, it doesn't matter.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. Yeah. And.
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Craig Ferguson
And now that I'm 62, every now and again, it's shocking to me.
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Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
You know, it's like, this is shocking that I'm 62. And it has that discordant quality. It has that weird. Like a weird piece of music, that Saturn, you know, piece.
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Rufus Wainwright
And not to get too depressing about it, but since we're.
- [50:50]
Craig Ferguson
Oh, no, I like it.
- [50:50]
Rufus Wainwright
We're both Celtic descent or something like that. I don't know. The Scottish Celts. The Scottish are Celts, right?
- [50:58]
Craig Ferguson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
But. But no. Is that what I think, is that the 60s are. You probably get used to it, but sadly. And now I'm going to get really dark. You know, my mother died when she was 63. Right. And I think, like, if you die in your 60s, it's terrible because. Or if you know you're going to die because you're just. You've just gotten into it and you're kind of looking forward to old age a little bit.
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Craig Ferguson
Yeah.
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Rufus Wainwright
Like, you start to, you know, and to have that robbed, you know, I think in a strange way is. I think. So just make it past your 60s, because I think 60s.
- [51:37]
Craig Ferguson
Well, that's exactly.
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Rufus Wainwright
I think once you get to your 70s, 70s is the new 30. That's what it is.
- [51:45]
Craig Ferguson
Yes, I think that's right. 70 is the new 30.
- [51:48]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
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Craig Ferguson
It's like, it's it living the day.
- [51:53]
Rufus Wainwright
It's not.
- [51:54]
Craig Ferguson
It is now. And. And I. Whenever I can be here in the moment.
- [52:01]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah.
- [52:01]
Craig Ferguson
I'm slightly better than. Than when I can't do that.
- [52:05]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. I think 60s is the new 90.
- [52:09]
Craig Ferguson
And then 70s is the new 30.
- [52:12]
Rufus Wainwright
50S is the new 50. 50 is the new 50.
- [52:16]
Craig Ferguson
51 is the new 40. I think you'll be fine. It's been a joy speaking with you, Rufus. I was a little nervous about talking to you because I'm intimidated by great talent.
- [52:29]
Rufus Wainwright
Oh, thank you.
- [52:30]
Craig Ferguson
I don't like being around it that Much. I find it unsettling.
- [52:35]
Rufus Wainwright
And I was. I think we have one friend in common. I mean, it's been ages, but you remember Jen Stills?
- [52:41]
Craig Ferguson
Yes.
- [52:42]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah. No, I mean, I haven't seen her in ages, but I just remember her speaking about you.
- [52:48]
Craig Ferguson
Was it okay?
- [52:49]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she, she. She. She toured with me once. She was great fun, an amazing character and a wonderful woman. And she spoke very highly of you.
- [52:59]
Craig Ferguson
Do you know Dominic Miller as well? Don't you? I know he's Sting's guitarist.
- [53:04]
Rufus Wainwright
Oh, yeah. Well. Well, I sort of know.
- [53:07]
Craig Ferguson
Sort of know.
- [53:09]
Rufus Wainwright
Maybe. Probably.
- [53:10]
Craig Ferguson
I don't. I haven't seen Dominiers either. But he's a. He's a good lady. He can play a bit.
- [53:16]
Rufus Wainwright
Yeah, for sure.
- [53:18]
Craig Ferguson
Yeah. Listen, it has been a great joy. I am, I think, going to come to Carnegie hall in the.
- [53:26]
Rufus Wainwright
You must, you must, you must.
- [53:27]
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, yeah, I think.
- [53:29]
Rufus Wainwright
On the 29th. 29th, yes.
- [53:31]
Craig Ferguson
Of the 29th of November. Right?
- [53:33]
Rufus Wainwright
Yes. Day after Thanksgiving, please.
- [53:35]
Craig Ferguson
Right. I think I might be able to get quite a.
- [53:38]
Rufus Wainwright
It's quite a gamble we're taking.
- [53:40]
Craig Ferguson
I think. I think you'll be okay. I think you'll be all right. I'll bring some friends.
- [53:44]
Rufus Wainwright
Great. Please do.
- [53:45]
Craig Ferguson
All right.
- [53:46]
Rufus Wainwright
Okay.
- [53:47]
Craig Ferguson
Thank you so much, Rufus. It's been a pleasure. Thank you very much.
- [53:51]
Rufus Wainwright
Thank you so much. Okay, bye. Bye.
- [53:54]
Craig Ferguson
Bye.
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Savannah Guthrie
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Craig Ferguson
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Savannah Guthrie
It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites, too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe margarita?
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Craig Ferguson
I'm thirsty.
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Savannah Guthrie
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- [54:32]
Craig Ferguson
Wow, it's beginning to feel more seasonal in here already.
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Savannah Guthrie
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- [54:47]
Craig Ferguson
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- [54:51]
Rufus Wainwright
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Craig Ferguson
With the sleek, sophisticated home cocktail maker.
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Rufus Wainwright
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