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Welcome back friends, to another episode of the Juice Box Podcast.
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Hi, my name is Chris, been a type 1 diabetic for 38 years and I'm excited to talk to Scott.
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This is part two of a two part episode. Go look at the title. If you don't recognize it, you haven't heard part one yet. It's probably the episode right before this near Podcast Player if you or a loved one is newly diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and you're seeking a clear, practical perspective, check out the Bold Beginning Series on the Juice Box Podcast. It's hosted by myself and Jenny Smith, an experienced diabetes educator with over 35 years of personal insight into type 1. Our series cuts through the medical jargon and delivers straightforward answers to your most pressing questions. You'll gain insight from real patients and caregivers and find practical advice to help you confidently navigate Life with Type 1. You can start your journey informed and empowered with the Juice Box Podcast. The Bold Beginning Series and all of the collections in the Juice Box Podcast are available in your audio app and@juicebox podcast.com in the menu. Nothing you hear on the Juice Box Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. Today's podcast episode is sponsored by Medtronic Diabetes, who is making life with diabetes easier with the MiniMed 780G system and their new sensor options, which include the Instinct sensor made by Abbott. Would you like to unleash the full potential of the mini med 780G system? You can do that at my link medtronicdiabetes.com Juicebox Today's episode is also sponsored by Omnipod. Check out the Omnipod 5 now with my link omnipod.com juicebox you may be eligible for a free Starter kit. A free Omnipod 5 starter kit at my link. Go check it out. Omnipod.com Juicebox terms and conditions apply Full terms and conditions can be found@ omnipod.com juicebox the podcast is also sponsored today by Ablenow Tax Advantaged Savings Accounts for eligible individuals with disabilities. If you or your child lives with diabetes, you may qualify for an Able account because of ongoing medical needs, and many people in the diabetes community do. With Ablenow, you can save for future expenses without affecting eligibility for certain disability benefits such as Medicaid. Learn more and check your eligibility@ablenow.com you spell that a b l e n o w.com how was the transition to being a normie? How did that go?
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I liked it, but it was rough.
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Why?
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I enjoyed the adrenaline rush of doing something and working on a car, something mechanical or something, and watching it perform and watching it win and have everybody happy was extremely gratifying. And it makes all that hard work, I mean the hard, the amount of hours isn't. Is endless, basically. So.
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So all the ups and downs and the hard work and the hustling, it's all like feeding, like the adrenaline junkie part, correct?
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Yep. Yeah. Yeah.
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That doesn't happen when you're taking out the trash. You can't, you can't gamify that.
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Well, if, you know, if, if the trash bag is overly stuffed, the amount of nerves that it is to getting it through the kitchen, into the garage and the trash can before it ruptures is kind of a rush.
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Just like. I don't want to wipe the floor. I don't want to wipe the floor. Please don't, please.
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Talk about. Oh, God.
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Well, yeah. So what helped you through that? The nice lady, her kids, like, where did you get your comfort?
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From her. Yeah, she was a. I can't speak enough about her. She was the absolute perfect thing at the right time and it's exactly what she and I needed.
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Yeah. You guys are together still together? Yeah.
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Four year anniversary this last month.
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Oh, congratulations. Happy anniversary.
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Thank you. And I'm a stepdad now and I'm raging teenagers that are driving and the amount of nerves there is quite.
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It's something else.
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I don't fear for the. I fear for the neighborhood as long as him. As well as him too, you know. But it's a thing. And my wife is. She's in the medical industry and has grasped my diabetes and accepted the challenge more than I've ever expected a single person to. She is on it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
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She got me. We didn't have any insurance yet, but she got me into like a cash pay kind of doctor.
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Right.
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And then we started playing around with insulin and doing this and that.
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Did you.
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I have eight.
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Did you.
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Sorry.
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Did you have to ask her to get involved or did she jump in?
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No, she jumped in and said, you are not managing your disease like you should be. And I am going to do it whether you like it or not.
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Okay.
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And I can't. And I. And I fight her sometimes. Sometimes it's just really annoying. But I can't say she's wrong.
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Well, my question here was around that is, did it feel comforting to have a female presence interested in you or was it hard to accept?
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It was hard to accept just because of I wanted to be able to do it on my own, but then again, I needed the help at the time. Yeah.
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So you, you knew enough that you needed the help and you had practice taking help from your father when you had your, your other problem. Right. So you, you were able to give yourself over to it. And has that gotten easier? And does it feel more supportive and mutual now than it did?
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Yes.
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Yeah. How long do you think it took you to, to get through that part?
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Oh, I mean, it. I would say about a year.
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Okay. That's a pretty fair amount of time.
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Yeah. I mean, because it was, you know, and it was hard to accept it, but I knew it, but then I was like, well, you know what? I made it this far. And that wasn't really the answer. So it's like I said, it's been a lifesaver. She's just between us listening to your podcast and trying to figure out all the stuff, and me playing around with insulin, things have really changed. Things have really changed. I have a really good job now that I'm basically an 8 to 5 guy. The health insurance is phenomenal.
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Awesome. Awesome.
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So I have, I open my refrigerator every once in a while and just
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look in there and be like, wow, insulin.
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Look at all that I got in there. And it's great because it's just been a. I've got pretty much everything I need.
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Right. That's awesome. Hey, before we kind of dig into this part and go forward, going back, if you can give advice to the 10 year old you, the, the you that left the house, like, the, the you that did the drugs, like, is the advice all the same? Is there something about your reaction to things or do you know what I'm saying? Like, is, is there like a key takeaway from, from these experiences or do you think that they've all been different in some way?
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I think they've all been a little different. The, the biggest issue that I'm, I still battle today is the abandonment.
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Yeah.
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And it was really hard to say, 10 year old me, hey, you know, stick it out when the people that you're supposed to lean on aren't there. So that's, you know, that's kind of difficult. And it, there's been some bumps with, with my wife and I now that just, it's just basically my history.
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What comes to get you?
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Asking for help.
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Okay.
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Asking for help's a difficult one for me because I never had, I always had to do it on my own.
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Right.
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So now it's like this person wants to Help me. Well, okay, yeah, honey, I get it. But you also have your life and these three little people, their life. And I don't want you to have to do this now, you know, so that's what our big bump is sometimes. But we're getting through it.
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I am not a therapist. I think that's obvious for anybody that listens. But I think that has something to do with you not valuing yourself enough to believe that her. Her time is. Is worth putting on you.
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Right, exactly. Yeah.
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Then you overvalue the kids and her other things more than you do yourself. And you're getting through that.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're getting through it. It's. It's starting to come around, but it's been a tough one.
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There's got to be a reason though, that this has been offset. Yeah. I mean, I assume you've heard me talk about like that aces quiz before, right? So like. Yeah. So let's do it real quick because I want to find out what offset it for you. Did an adult often swear at you, insult you or humiliate you? This is prior to being 18?
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Yes.
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Yes. Did an adult often push, grab, slap or throw things at you?
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No.
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No. Did an older person ever touch you, fondle you sexually?
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No.
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Did you often feel no one in your family loved you? I can answer this one for you. Loved you or thought you were special? Yes. Did you often feel you didn't have enough to eat or you. That no one protected you?
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Yeah. Sometimes.
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Were your parents ever separated or divorced? Yes. Was your mother or stepmother often hurt or physically threatened?
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No.
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No. Did you live with anyone who used drugs or was an alcoholic?
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Technically, when I was out of high school, yes.
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But not before you were 18, like a parent or.
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No, not a parent or nothing like that? No.
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Was a household member depressed, mental ill or suicidal?
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Nope.
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Nope. And did a household member go to prison?
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No.
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No. I didn't hear you mention that. Now these are the positive ones. Could you talk to your family about your feelings?
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No.
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No. Did your family stand by you during difficult times? No. Did you enjoy participating in community traditions?
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I guess so, yeah.
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All right. Did you feel a sense of belonging in high school?
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No.
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Did you feel supported by your friends before, before you were 18? 18 and under?
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Yeah, a little bit. I had some pretty good friends.
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Had at least two non parent. Did you have at least two non parent adults who took a genuine interest in you?
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Yes.
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Did you feel safe and protected by an adult in your home?
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Yes.
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Yeah. So you have four. You have four. You check Four boxes on the asus side, but you also check four boxes on the paces side. You had as many positive influences as you had negative, is the idea. Because I'm sitting here talking to you, and I'm thinking, you shouldn't be as okay as you are. So what. So that's why. That's why I went through the stuff to figure out, like, what was the good stuff that happened to you. And I think when you listen to it, you would think something magical would have to happen. But just. Did you have friends in high school? Like, in high school? Like, did you. Like, those things are really important to a growing mind. And so you had enough, I think, again, not a therapist, but you had enough stuff go right. That it gives you a chance. And then along the way, people step back up for. Your dad steps up for you at an important moment. You get a job that you can kind of put your, you know, your. Your effort into for a long time that you enjoy. You're able to break away when you find yourself drinking more.
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Yep.
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You know, and then you meet this. This woman who's your. Who's your wife now, who's accepting of you and patient. And you found a reason to give away that other stuff, to do this other thing. Like, there's a lot of good decisions in there for you as well. Like, I. I'm not taking it from you. You've done a lot of. You made a lot of good decisions along the way in interspersed into a couple of bad ones. But it would be. It's an easy argument to say that your bad ones are more stuff you were forced towards, and your good ones were purposeful things you did to get away from them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. That's interesting. What are you doing now for, like, what kind of work are you doing? I said you did a good job.
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I'm still working on cars, but it's for a electric car company in. In the South. Oh.
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Oh, that's very cool. How south? Like, near Mexico, South Texas. Yeah. So, like. So, like Tesla, you don't know?
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Nah, it's not Tesla.
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Oh, then it's Rivian, right? I don't want to ask. Okay. Never.
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It is. Okay.
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Okay.
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Yep.
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Oh, well. Oh, that's cool. I have so many questions about that. Hopefully we'll have a little time to get to. So you meet her.
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I have a funny reference. Go ahead. If you. If you work for Tesla, you get Manjaro. If you work for Rivian, you get Zepbound.
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You're trying to tell me one of them has better insurance than the other.
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Yes, I am.
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It's funny. Let's talk about that. Let's get. Let's go present day to you pulling yourself together like diabetes wise. Like, I know you. Looks like you did. You're going to talk about GLPs and some other stuff like where does your journey begin? Like what. What's the first. I know how the decisions made. This lady grabs you by the face and goes, listen, I'm counting on you now. Let's try not to die.
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Right?
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Yeah. That's really. I know that's what they're thinking. They think I think that's what my wife is thinking. Every time she looks at me like, look, I've thrown in with you. Don't screw me over. Okay? Right?
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Yep.
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Actually, I used to work for the other company you mentioned, so we'll start there. I started working at Tesla and made my appointment for my endo. All went through and I'm like, okay, I haven't been to another chronologist and you name it. I don't know how long it's been. It's been a really long time. I was terrified. Wow. He did a. A1C on the. With a finger stick, which isn't really that accurate, but it gets you in the window. And I think it was six. So he's like, okay, we're gonna give you. It's called the Dexcom. Do you know what that is? And I go, no idea. So nurse came in and goes, wham. Slammed it in my belly. That was a G6. And I was blown away. I'm like, I have my blood sugar on my phone.
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Yeah.
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Look, I just, I couldn't. Like, I was like a kid. It was. I was just like, this is incredible.
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Yeah, No, I know. Yeah. It really is. I'm sorry. When you were going to the doctor and you hadn't been there for so long, what was that like? Because you had to overcome some feeling? Was it embarrassment? Were you ashamed? Like, were you.
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Were you worried you were gonna.
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And the doc did. The doctor handled it well, though. It sounds like he handled it okay.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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He basically said, let's get you on insulin. That I think is going to work for you. And then let's get you on a basic, you know, let's try and work all these things out and how you, you know, your basal and your. All that kind of stuff. Let's get this worked out and I want to see you back in, you know, a couple months and then we'll do it again and do it again. And then he actually relocated and I got to another endo, which I am with now, and he's amazing.
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Yeah.
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So.
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So this guy was enough to know. So did he move you off of regular and mph?
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Yes.
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Wow. That must have fried his mind. Imagine you, you were looking at the CGM going like, this is amazing. And he's probably looking at you going like, I can't believe this guy's standing up.
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Where the hell have you been? I go. Been hiding in a hole, I guess. So.
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I was in a porta potty.
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I was in a porta potty trying to. Trying to draw two vials of insulin up.
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This lady over here, she. She came and got me. I'll tell you what that's gonna be. That's gonna be. End up being your luckiest role there probably is, is reconnecting with her. Right? So, yep. So, okay, so you get going with the first guy, but then what makes you switch to another doctor?
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He moved Mike. That one at the time was relocating to another part of town. It was way too far. So this guy that I'm with now was recommended and the waiting list was quite high. But I got in and he's just phenomenal. So I'm just like, look, this is. At the time I had different insurance. So this is what we're going to try and do. And I'm going to get you on Manjaro and then we're going to do Manjaro and I want you to try. Let's try Novolog and then we'll try. And I'm like, okay, great. So then I start doing all these things and he goes, this you only have to do one time. And I was blown away that the Basil only had to do it one time. So he's like, you only have to do this one time a day. And then we're gonna look at this and then here's this and carbs and all that kind of stuff. And. And my wife once again grabbed all the paperwork right out of my hand and said, I got this.
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And the kids like this guy. We're gonna do it, don't worry.
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Yeah, let's keep this guy. Yeah. What?
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I've just never knew about it, Scott. I never. I mean, I knew there was other things, and I looked at these things that were called pens, and I was like, that seems weird. You put a needle on it and how do you. I don't know. It seems kind of. And I was just so stuck in my ways for 35 years that I. It's just all I did.
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You really are 38 years into diabetes, three years into modern care.
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Yep.
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Yeah. Wow, that's so interesting. Okay, so spend one more minute on what it's like to see your blood sugar on a cgm.
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So all of my diabetic friends that I know, there's only a few of them, I was just blown away. I'm like, look what I can do. I can Got this number in it going up and down, and I can. And I can share it. Oh, God. I'm gonna. I knew who I'm gonna share it with, and I shared it with the wife, and now we're good with that. And I was just blown away.
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Did it seem like beyond the magical part of it, did it just seem like a safety element to you?
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Did you.
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Were you looking at it initially is like, oh, I'm gonna be able to, like, better my management with this, or you didn't think about it that way?
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No, I did. I was like, this is. I have no excuse. Now it's a number that is posted on my phone.
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Gotcha.
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I can't argue. So now's the time to get after it and sort through it.
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So when you're finger sticking, if you want to consciously, subconsciously ignore it, you can say, well, I don't have time to finger stick, and therefore, I don't know what the number is. So then, therefore I don't have to do anything about it.
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Correct.
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Yeah. You can kind of like give yourself a free pass whenever you need to.
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It's easier to dismiss it.
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It's easier to dismiss it. Okay, so now it's in your face and you've made a decision to do better. He's put you on this new insult. Did it. Where I feel like some. I get embarrassed sometimes because I feel like I'm asked. I don't want to ask a question that it feels like I'm leading you to say, well, you, Scott. But like, how do you learn how to use all that insulin? How does she learn about it? Like, where do you get that information from?
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She spent a lot of time on the Internet trying to figure out what. I played around a little bit with the rapid acting. I found some that I liked and some that didn't quite work very well. And we were trying to figure out the curves and how, like, how these insulins actually work. And. And it was a big learning experience for both of us. And to be quite honest, once I found your podcast, it was like, this is how. And like somebody would name off insulin. And I'm like. And I would, like, back it up. And I would play it again. I'd write that down.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so we need to look at this insulin later. And then what was. The person's taking this? Okay, let me try that.
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And.
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And I. I was like, really enjoying the fact that I had access to all of this stuff now. And I wanted to make sure I was on the right stuff. Doing what you should.
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Doing everything you were able to do.
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Doing what you should be the pre bolus. I mean, all the little things that you point out, that is, I just never knew.
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Yeah, you and I appear to get along well. So do you like listening to me or is it more about just the information and the people stories?
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I think that your personality is very similar to mine.
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Okay. So this.
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You just. You're easy to listen to and you're straight to the point. You don't bs, and that's kind of.
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Okay. You could. You could see us in one of those bars after one of those races together. Yeah, I would be sure I wouldn't be drinking Chris, but I would hang out. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
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We could talk about chameleons.
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I'll tell you when we first started recording today. I. I don't want to tell Chris. I. I had a. I haven't talked about this yet. My first chameleon, my veil chameleon, passed away a little while ago.
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Okay.
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Yeah. And she lived over three years, which in the, you know, in the wild is what you would expect in. In captivity, you would have expected more, but she. She was never able to pass her. Her eggs. Like, no matter. Yeah. No matter what we did. Like, I, you know, and how I set her up, she just didn't feel comfortable. And so she'd hold her eggs in. I think she reabsorbed them over and over again. And one time I think she just couldn't. And she passed and. Yep, I was left with a lot of space. And after some thinking and doing, I expanded again. I guess they didn't really expand because I went backwards one and forwards one. But I got something called a yellow tree monitor. She is awesome. So when we were first recording, there was this big like people might call them tomato worms, but like a big green hornworm was in there with her. And just as you and I were beginning to talk, she noticed it was in there and. And just wandered over to it, flicked it with her tongue a couple of times. I was like, oh, that is what I think. And then she grabbed it and murdered it. And I got to watch that while we were starting to record. It's been the highlight of my day so far. And your story in our conversation.
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I had. I had a couple of panthers growing up, so I had a couple of panther chameleons growing up and.
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Yeah. Did you really? Yeah.
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They're amazing animals. I love them. They're so cool.
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Yeah, my. I have a blue and Bonjour. He's just awesome. Who by the way, I bought from a. From a company out of Boston called Fram's Cams. They had someone in their family diagnosed last year.
- [26:08]
B
Oh, wow.
- [26:08]
A
Of all the crazy things. I have two chameleons in this room and the people who bred both of them have a child with type 1 diabetes, which is completely not on purpose. Just an odd coincidence.
- [26:21]
B
Well, you guys can trade care.
- [26:23]
A
Well, we. It's nice. We may. We have a little relationship now. She's probably listening right now, like, hi. You know, like that. You know, that kind of stuff is really interesting. Anyway, anyway, I'm so sorry. So here you are now using a fast acting insulin. You've got one that you've chosen. You're listening to the podcast. You're learning how to. Learning what? You're learning how to think about insulin. Like, what's the step that gets you? Because your A1C is what now? What do you have here in your notes? Five and a half. Is that right? Right.
- [26:55]
B
Yeah, actually I'm. I'm a five three now. I just went to my endo the other day, so I'm using a pump. I'm not using a pump. I'm still mdi. Only reason why is because I'm always. I'm always leaning, climbing and doing things very physical and I'm very. I already lose dexcoms looking at them. So I'm trying to. I might. My next step is a pump, but I'm still. I want to fine tune the MDI to where I feel like I Know exactly what I'm doing before I. Yeah.
- [27:29]
A
Once you understand how the insulin's really working, you feel like maybe you can try it. Okay. And I'm sorry. At 5. 3. First of all, congratulations. That's just insane.
- [27:38]
B
Especially your fault.
- [27:39]
A
Yeah, I'll take. I will take credit for that for sure.
- [27:41]
B
Yeah.
- [27:41]
A
When do you ask about the GLP in your journey with the. The second endo.
- [27:47]
B
So with the second endo, I was. I was a little on the heavy weight side. Nothing crazy, but just enough to where he's like, hey, you know, this might help you more ways than one. And I'm like, well, I. I'll take it. You know? And at that time, it was Manjaro, Right. Actually, I started with Ozempic first. Didn't get. I got Thing. I think I got two doses in with that. And I'm like, hey, I want to. I want to do this one. He's like, okay, why'd you.
- [28:12]
A
So you change because of the. Of the GIP GLP you wanted?
- [28:17]
B
Correct. Yeah, I think it was just a better choice.
- [28:19]
A
Okay.
- [28:20]
B
And so I got on the Manjaro, and, man, just the insulin sensitivity, the aches and pains, the sleep apnea, the blood pressure. I used to have what they call trigger finger.
- [28:37]
A
Mm.
- [28:39]
B
Apparently, it's a diabetes thing. It. Your joints kind of lock up.
- [28:43]
A
It is, yeah.
- [28:44]
B
That's completely gone. Dealing with that and getting up to. I think I got up to 10 milligrams on Mounjaro, and then I switched jobs. Then I went to a different kind, which is Zepp bound.
- [28:58]
A
Now I. Zeppelin and Manjaro. The same exact molecule. Yeah. Same exact molecule, yeah. Okay.
- [29:06]
B
Zepbound 10 milligram. I started to gain weight.
- [29:11]
A
Okay.
- [29:13]
B
So I went to 12, and my endo's. Like, sometimes he said, I don't know if this is the case. We're gonna have to try it sometimes. You can. This is. My. My nurse wife figured this out. Too much GLP can. Can. Cause if you overdo it, it can make. It does opposite effects.
- [29:38]
A
Okay. No one's ever said that to me before, but that's okay.
- [29:41]
B
Something, if you look it up and I can't remember what she said, but basically, if. If it's too much, it will cause your blood. It will cause you to.
- [29:52]
A
God damn.
- [29:53]
B
I should have wrote this down. Anyway, so what he did was he brought me back down to 10.
- [30:00]
A
Okay.
- [30:01]
B
And I'm more responsive with 10.
- [30:04]
A
Okay. Awesome.
- [30:06]
B
And. And I don't. And I can't. There's a. There's a Reason for it. I wish I would have looked it up because I figured you would know
- [30:11]
A
it looking right now.
- [30:13]
B
But some. I can't remember what it does. But if you have too much of the glp, it can cause your stomach
- [30:18]
A
slows too much and throws off the glucose curve.
- [30:21]
B
That's what it is. So I'm not digesting like I should be.
- [30:26]
A
Appetite. Okay. So our overlords say the following tells you obviously what GLP is supposed to do. Slows down stomach emptying. Increases insulin when glucose is present. Lowers glucagon, reduces appetite, improves satiety. What happens when you use too much? This is in quotes. Stomach slows too much. Instead of smooth glucose curves, you can get food sitting in the stomach too long. Nausea, reflux, vomiting, delayed glucose spikes that look like insulin isn't working. For someone using insulin, that can feel kind of chaotic, like you bolus nothing happens. Three hours later, your glucose jumps up. That makes sense. That's not the insulin failing. It's the timing getting weird. It says appetite suppression can become counterproductive because you'll eat too little. You'll be under fueled, which might lead to a cortisol rise. You could feel fatigued and then binge later. And excess GI stress raises stress hormones, impacts glucose control, increase insulin resistance. Persistent nausea or dehydration could cause that. Yep, it says so. Paradoxically, feeling awful from too much GLP effect can worsen blood sugars and then a rare but real pancreatic or gallbladder strain. Which is not what was happening to you.
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B
No.
- [31:38]
A
Yeah.
- [31:39]
B
Yeah. Basically, my insulin sensitivity just was like.
- [31:43]
A
Slowed your digestion down too much.
- [31:45]
B
Yes.
- [31:45]
A
And your wife figured that out again.
- [31:48]
B
She did. Because. Because the. I know my. So I did change brands of. Of. Of rapid acting. I went from fiasc to lum Jev. And I'm like, this lume Jeff isn't working. Like nothing. Like, I'm just. I don't know what's going on. I'm gaining weight and this and that. I'm starting to get kind of tired. I haven't been like that in a really long time. So she. She caught it. We went down to 10, and I think we're.
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A
You're where you want to be.
- [32:16]
B
Where I want to be. Yeah.
- [32:17]
A
How much weight did you lose?
- [32:22]
B
58 pounds.
- [32:24]
A
Awesome, man. Congratulations.
- [32:25]
B
Yeah, I was at the height of my end of my racing career. I was 260something pounds, and now I'm just about 209.
- [32:35]
A
How tall are you?
- [32:36]
B
Six foot.
- [32:37]
A
Okay, that's. It's not a bad weight Then right there.
- [32:39]
B
But I mean, it's like just drilling holes in your belt, I'll tell you, is a great thing to have to do.
- [32:45]
A
Yeah.
- [32:45]
B
Don't buy a new belt, but drill a new hole in it. Right. Because I lost so much weight.
- [32:50]
A
Yeah. Now there's a lot of cool stuff that happens. Like eventually. Eventually the tip of your belt is around the back and you go, okay. And it's hard to. Sometimes can be hard. Difficult to, like, even throw your clothes away because you. My. My wife said she's like, I couldn't get rid of my clothes for a long time because I just kept thinking, like, I'm going to need them again. And then one day she's like, I got to get. Like, I'm going to donate these clothes. Like, I'm. I don't think I'm ever going backwards,
- [33:13]
B
you know, get them out of here. Yeah.
- [33:15]
A
I had a fair amount of. I mean, I guess what you would call body dysmorphia. But, like, for a while there in, like, year one and a half, I was looking at myself and I felt. I didn't feel as. As lean as I was. Like, it was hard. Hard for me to see myself that way. I'm through it now. Like, I feel I'm very comfortable now, but I'm probably right around 65, £70.
- [33:41]
B
Yeah, that's.
- [33:42]
A
I'm only five nine, so it's pretty. Pretty darn noticeable.
- [33:46]
B
Right?
- [33:47]
A
Yeah.
- [33:47]
B
And it just, like I said, all the other things that it's believed. I mean, it.
- [33:52]
A
Yeah.
- [33:52]
B
Geez. I mean, all this stuff that it's just like, that's got to be. That it's got to be the GLP in. It certainly is. And what a great situation for us. I hope it gets. I hope the type ones are allowed to technically use it sometime soon.
- [34:06]
A
Yeah, they're working on it. I. I just posted a trial that's going on right now in Canada, but it's, you know, it's on. I think it's on clin clinical trial, Clintrials.gov, like, so, I mean, you have to be local to do it, but they're. They're doing trials right now with type 1s and GLP. They'll get that the trials are happening is great news.
- [34:26]
B
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
- [34:27]
A
Because that means at some point, once they prove out what we all out here know already then have told them.
- [34:33]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [34:34]
A
Then insurance will probably need to cover it, and that'll really help, you know, be. And plus there's a ton of companies making biosimilars and stuff like that right now, so pricing and availability should not be an issue moving forward. Could be a much healthier world 10 years from now if it doesn't make us grow a tail or a horn out of our head. But even at that.
- [34:54]
B
Hey, you know what, though? If I have a little tail or a horn, I could deal with that. I'll just put a hat on.
- [34:58]
A
Said it before. I'll take out. I said if. If the horn. I. I think I. I think I said one time, if the horn says Eli Lily on the side. But I'll be like, well, all right.
- [35:10]
B
Technically, they do own it, so they can have it.
- [35:12]
A
As long as my. My waist stays at a 32. I guess I'm gonna be okay with that, right? Seriously, my. I think at my biggest pant size, I was wearing a 40.
- [35:22]
B
Yeah, I was right in there. I was right in there.
- [35:24]
A
38, 40, so. And GLP helping with your blood sugars immensely, I imagine, too.
- [35:31]
B
Oh, man.
- [35:32]
A
Yeah.
- [35:32]
B
Huge. Yeah. Very, very drastic change and everything. And the. And like I said, just when I. Before I got on the GLP and I was doing my pens, my MDIs, before the endo interaction, I was. Jesus. I was taking 20, 30, 40 units of. Of. Of regular a day, easy.
- [35:59]
A
How much of your insulin need has dropped just because the GLP is slowing your digestion down? How much of it has dropped? Cause you're taking in fewer carbs.
- [36:09]
B
Oh, that. I mean, that's a double.
- [36:12]
A
Twice. Yeah.
- [36:13]
B
Yeah. I think the most that I take a day now is probably 12 at the most, depending if we go to Mexican food or not.
- [36:23]
A
Yeah.
- [36:23]
B
Yeah. That's a tough one to bolus for.
- [36:25]
A
It made me pull out my phone, which I haven't looked at yet today, but I'm looking at it now, since I'm just going back to midnight last night. Arden's blood sugar has not been under 70 or over 105. Like, it's just. It's just rolling along, and she's. Yeah, she's using a glp. And.
- [36:44]
B
And I. And I also, too. On that note, my comfortable spot to sit used to be, like, in the 150 or something, kind of maybe a little less.
- [36:55]
A
Okay.
- [36:55]
B
I am really, really happy at 90 to 100.
- [36:58]
A
There's just not the feeling that you're going to suddenly experience a huge spike or a drastic low out of nowhere. The stability is, like, really insane. And you can really see it on your CGM, too.
- [37:08]
B
And. And you're also, like, at 70, you're kind of, like, you're in the lower side of it, but, man, I feel great. Yeah.
- [37:14]
A
Yeah, no kidding. And do you have any. Besides the trigger finger, do you have any other impacts from your earlier life?
- [37:22]
B
Just a lot of. I got a lot of arthritis in my hands.
- [37:25]
A
Okay.
- [37:26]
B
From using the. The wheel guns that we used to use were extremely heavy, and I've got a lot of arthritis. That's. It is what it is, but it's not any worse.
- [37:35]
A
Do other guys that use the gun have the same, or is it specific? It is, yeah. It's that.
- [37:40]
B
Yeah, it's just part of the game.
- [37:41]
A
The weight and the. And the. The, I guess the viciousness of how it probably shakes your. Your body. Right.
- [37:47]
B
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So. But I mean, aside from that, just like I said, my. Obviously with the weight going down, the sleep apnea has almost relieved itself.
- [37:57]
A
Yeah. Your neck got smaller. I don't know a ton about sleep apnea, but I hear people talk about that. Like, the neck size is kind of.
- [38:04]
B
Yeah, it's. It must be that. Or that. Like, the dentist always tells me. He's like, man, you do you store. I'm like, how do you know, looking down me? Because I guess I have like a pretty. Pretty large neck and a pretty large tongue, I guess is what it is. Or something in there. And he's like, yeah, you're kind of born to snore. And I'm like, well, I'm sorry, but yeah, I think the next. The next gotten a little bit smaller and just not carrying the £60 around, I think.
- [38:27]
A
Yeah, Well, I mean, in the end, like, there's a lot of impacts that are positive, but you can't undervalue just losing that much weight. Like, it's.
- [38:36]
B
I know.
- [38:36]
A
Yeah, it's fantastic. What'd you do to combat muscle loss? I mean, you're probably pretty active at your job, but, like, what do you.
- [38:43]
B
Yeah, so I. I'm also on trt, so I. I get testosterone shots every week.
- [38:49]
A
Okay.
- [38:50]
B
That has helped with a lot of the aches and pains and the energy and walking the dog and. And riding bikes and trying to keep up with kids, I think is the basic. My.
- [39:01]
A
That's your exercise?
- [39:02]
B
Yep.
- [39:03]
A
Yeah. How low did your testosterone have to be for them to prescribe that to you?
- [39:08]
B
Their number for the insurance was 390.
- [39:12]
A
And you were under.
- [39:13]
B
I was under that at the time. I was 215.
- [39:16]
A
Okay. And a big difference.
- [39:18]
B
Big difference. Yeah, big difference.
- [39:20]
A
Couldn't get my doctor to let me try it. I think my number was too high. It's one of the first things I said when I started losing weight. I was like, can I try, like, testosterone replacement? And she's like, sure, we'll look. And then she looked and she's like, sorry. And I was like, okay.
- [39:34]
B
Huh. Bummer.
- [39:35]
A
Yeah. I don't know if it would. If there'd be any actual value in it, if my number's high enough or.
- [39:40]
B
Right. I mean, it just makes you feel. Makes you feel pretty good.
- [39:44]
A
Really.
- [39:45]
B
Yeah, it's just the whole. It kind of adds a new little bit of life. You sleep well because your hormones are all balanced again. So you. I sleep really well now. That's awesome. Yeah.
- [39:57]
A
Better health through pharmacology is a little different than how you were using chemicals when you were younger.
- [40:03]
B
Yes. Yeah. So needless to say, I feel. I feel really good, man.
- [40:09]
A
Good for you. That's awesome. I appreciate you sharing all this with me.
- [40:12]
B
Yeah, of course. And my wife. My wife has just been a saver, for sure.
- [40:18]
A
Yeah.
- [40:18]
B
No, it sounds like she annoys the piss out of me sometimes, but she's right, so I have to, you know, she's trying.
- [40:27]
A
You don't gaslight her, tell her she's wrong.
- [40:30]
B
Oh, no, she doesn't listen to me. She knows enough. She's just as much of a smart ass as I am.
- [40:39]
A
Okay. All right, so I have a couple more questions for you, but I want to make sure you feel like we covered all your history, your health, your diabetes stuff. Did we talk about everything you wanted to talk about?
- [40:49]
B
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Cool.
- [40:51]
A
You have a couple more minutes?
- [40:52]
B
Yeah, absolutely.
- [40:53]
A
Okay. Tell everybody why electric cars are so much better than gas cars. And I don't mean like energy or the planet. I mean like the drivability of it. And this is going to mean something from you if you believe this, because you love race cars. So, like, what's. What about them should people be looking forward to.
- [41:12]
B
I guess we're not going to get into the whole environmental part of it because that's going to start a war.
- [41:18]
A
I don't even care about that. I mean, the drivability and the way they work.
- [41:21]
B
They are. They don't have transmissions. They are basically point and squirt, which means you can drive it as fast as you want. And there's not usually a whole lot of cars that can keep up with you. No, they're usually very tech oriented. They have a lot of features that most cars. Standard cars, I say the internal combustion vehicles, but they're just a blast to drive.
- [41:47]
A
Yeah. So my Favorite aspects of them are the regenerative braking.
- [41:54]
B
Yes.
- [41:55]
A
Changes driving. It's.
- [41:57]
B
Yeah.
- [41:57]
A
Fundamentally a different process and way more enjoyable.
- [42:02]
B
We don't put brake pads on cars.
- [42:04]
A
Yeah, yeah. There's an argument to be, to be made that a person could buy an electric car and maybe never change the brakes on it while they're driving it.
- [42:12]
B
It's very possible. I mean I, there's vehicles that don't, you just don't need them. The cars are 80,000 miles old and the brake pads are brand new.
- [42:20]
A
Yeah, yeah. Regenerative braking I think is a big deal. I have driven a steer by wire car in the past and I have to say I would like to see that on more vehicles.
- [42:30]
B
Yeah.
- [42:31]
A
Really fundamentally changes like driving habits and again I thought it was a better experience and then I've experienced self driving a number of times and it's fascinating how well it works.
- [42:46]
B
It's fascinating how well it works. And the technology is ahead of us. So a human can't interact with something that's through the fog that the cameras can see.
- [42:59]
A
Yeah.
- [43:00]
B
Safety wise, that's really good. I like driving vehicles. So the self driving, I've been in them, it's great. I like to drive.
- [43:07]
A
Yeah. I think about it more like when you're older and you still want to be mobile and get place to place and you don't trust yourself as much or you can't do the, you know, you can't do the hump of a long drive anymore. Like how much that's going to help people.
- [43:19]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [43:21]
A
They're basically just really like expensive big slot cars. Right. Like it's that there's not a lot to break on them, is there mechanically?
- [43:29]
B
Not mechanically, no. I mean you got your typical things and things do you know, you got batteries that can have issues and you got motors that can have issues and that's like any car, any car you buy can have issues. But reoccurring is they're pretty maintenance free. You put tires and windshield wipers on
- [43:45]
A
them and you're on your way. So Rivian just released what that R2. Is that the new vehicle it's going
- [43:51]
B
to be in this next quarter? Yes. That's the new smaller version of what we have now.
- [43:56]
A
And this business wise, is this the make or break moment?
- [44:00]
B
Yes.
- [44:00]
A
Yeah. Like this car needs to go wider and people need to like it and buy it.
- [44:04]
B
Yeah. And it's a better, it's a, it's a lower price point. So it brings in more clientele. Yeah.
- [44:09]
A
Is Tesla's real Advantage the supercharging network, do you think, like, when it comes to, like, sales and why, like, what do you think stops people from buying an electric car? Most.
- [44:21]
B
Well, yeah, we also. Everybody uses Tesla Network now. That's gonna be the new standard.
- [44:26]
A
Okay.
- [44:28]
B
But yes, the range anxiety was what they call it. And it can get you because you don't have, you know, you don't have an opportunity to run down to the gas station with a milk jug and dump some. Dump some gas in your car. You're pretty much. If you're out, you're out. But the mapping and the cars are extremely smart. They know exactly where things are and how long you have to stop. And. Yeah, as long as you pay attention to that, that's. You should be good paying attention to that. Sometimes it's difficult for people.
- [45:00]
A
Yeah.
- [45:01]
B
Yeah.
- [45:01]
A
I won't say who it is, but I have a person closer to me in my. Not in my house, but in my life who still, as an adult, runs out of gas an alarming number of times. And they always tell me it's like, I have adhd. I really don't remember to get gas. I take your point. At least you can dump a can in there. But I don't know. I don't understand geopolitically or, like I said, what's actually better for the world or whatnot. That stuff all aside, I've been in enough electric cars to say that I think they're really fantastic. And the way they work is just. It's different. It's not like I remember driving. Like, I had a. Geez, I had, like, a custom deluxe pickup truck when I was, like, 19. It's not like driving that. You know what I mean? Like, it's not. It's not like, it's not like driving a gas car. Even nice gas cars, like, they can't mimic the smoothness of the acceleration and, like, how great it is when shifting goes away. I know it sounds crazy, but, like, it is.
- [45:59]
B
Yeah. And getting in it, putting your foot on the brake and going.
- [46:02]
A
Yeah.
- [46:03]
B
You don't have to turn anything on. You don't have to. You just break.
- [46:06]
A
Yeah.
- [46:06]
B
Seatbelt, Go.
- [46:07]
A
Don't need a key. Like, it's just.
- [46:08]
B
Don't need a key.
- [46:09]
A
Yeah. Anyway, I can't wait to see where it all goes. Yeah, No, I followed enough to know that, like, Rivian's putting that. That vehicle out now. And, I mean, if you can drive a Rivian to a Tesla supercharger and plug it without an adapter, you're telling Me?
- [46:23]
B
No, you need an adapter. But the newer. So that Tesla charging plug is going to be the new standard.
- [46:28]
A
Okay.
- [46:29]
B
Any vehicles built before 26 won't have that. You have to have an adapter. But all of the new Rivians have Tesla plugs in them.
- [46:36]
A
Oh, so a new Rivian. I'll drive up and plug in. I don't even need an adapter.
- [46:39]
B
Correct. Yep. It's got the, it's got the. It's a, it's a new standard plug, which is good.
- [46:44]
A
It's the Tesla plug that changes the whole thing, that network.
- [46:46]
B
I.
- [46:47]
A
It's fascinating. I think you could drive from the Everglades to Alaska on that network and like, that's really satisfying.
- [46:54]
B
It tells you where to stop, how long you need to be plugged in for. Yeah, the vehicles are very, very sensitive with what you're doing. If you're driving at 100 miles an hour and the AC is blasting, you're going to burn. Obviously more fuel technically. Right. But for the most part there, you can't go wrong. It's. It makes the trips a blast. A lot of the chargers will have like little buildings and little things you can do and yeah, some offer free coffee or you know, all that kind of stuff. Right.
- [47:23]
A
Right now. Well, what kind of work are you doing now? Like involved with like technician. Okay, so you just, you're turning wrenches still or you're part of the R D?
- [47:35]
B
Nope, still turning wrenches. And it's an awesome company. I love it.
- [47:38]
A
Awesome, man. That's really fantastic. Well, dude, I can't, I can't tell you. I mean, obviously it's going to be a two parter and I really appreciate. I'm going to call this one Chris versus life.
- [47:47]
B
And I thought it was going to be get your belly out.
- [47:51]
A
I don't know. I don't know.
- [47:53]
B
That might be weird.
- [47:54]
A
I think that.
- [47:54]
B
I think I don't have a belly anymore. Really. So.
- [47:57]
A
Also, I think people might read that and go know, it's okay, I'll skip that one.
- [48:00]
B
Yeah, I'm gonna pass that one.
- [48:01]
A
But no, seriously, man, I, I appreciate you taking the time. Please, you know, I imagine your wife listens to. And please tell her I said hello.
- [48:07]
B
I'm.
- [48:08]
A
I'm really happy any of this has helped you, you know. Again, thank you for coming on here and talking about it with me.
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B
Scott. Thank you. I mean, I. You. You hear it every single time. But I'm gonna say it again. Your community is phenomenal. And just the fact that you sit down and actually care and have helped us through all of what seems basic to you. But it's a tough journey, and you've made it so much easier on everybody.
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A
I appreciate that. I really do. It's going to make the rest of my day easier because I'm working right now on a webpage that has every definition from the Defining Diabetes series, and it's clickable. And so, like, I'm looking at it now, it's as algorithm, the brain inside your pump that tries to do some of the heavy lifting for you. When you click on it, it gives you a link, right. To the episode that. Where you could listen to the Defining diabetes that describes that word. All the other ones as well. And right now, it looks like I'm going to be able to put it up in English, Spanish, French, German, and I'm working on Hindi and a couple of other things.
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B
Wow.
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A
Yeah. And that's all just AI. I mean, speaking of cars that, you know, drive themselves, this is all just taking content from the podcast and being able to repurpose it for people so they can see it and interact with it easily.
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B
It makes it easier to find.
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A
Yeah, yeah, it really does. You know, we didn't talk about it, but one of the things that I think is. I've been fascinated by for a number of years now is going back a few years ago when Tesla said, like, we're going to have to build our own supercomputers because we have so much data, we can't crunch it well enough.
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B
Right.
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A
And so they build a computer so that they could put the driving data into it so that the computer could teach itself how to drive. Like, that loop, to me, is. Is super interesting. Like, the way that. I just think that's going to. That concept can apply to so many other things.
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B
Oh, yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's. I mean, some of the. My wife uses it for some of our Tricky Bull List events.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it's. And it's. Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's not. But now, tell you what, it gets you damn close.
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A
Yeah. I just think there's something to that idea of, like, even within the podcast, like, a loop that teaches itself and puts you in that loop so you're being taught along with it. Like, I think there's. I don't know. I'm still working it all out, but I think there's something in there that's valuable. So, anyway, I really do appreciate this. Would you hold on for me for just one moment?
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B
Absolutely.
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A
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