#1908 Every Day Without Diabetes Is a Gift

Summary

Juicebox Podcast: Type 1 Diabetes

Episode #1908: "Every Day Without Diabetes Is a Gift"

Date: July 21, 2026
Host: Scott Benner
Guest: Natalie, mom to three kids with Type 1 Diabetes

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Overview of Main Theme

This episode dives deep into the day-to-day realities, challenges, and mindsets of parenting children with Type 1 Diabetes. Scott and his guest, Natalie, discuss everything from online community dynamics and mental health to personal diagnosis stories and practical strategies for navigating diabetes in the family—always with Scott’s trademark candor and humor. The overarching message is about support, resilience, self-awareness, and finding genuine connection in the diabetes community. The title’s theme—treasuring every day without diabetes and using that perspective to empower decisions—carries throughout, especially as Natalie shares her family's journey.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Managing Online Diabetes Communities & Mental Health

• Scott’s reflections on community growth:
  • The Facebook group recently hit 83,000 members. [03:41]
  • Most members are supportive, but occasional posts reveal people struggling with mental health or looking to take advantage.
  • “Some people speak, some people are there trying to pimp their businesses. We have to weed those out.” – Scott [02:44]
• Mental health challenges online:
  • Scott recounts experiences with individuals in distress and the difficulty of providing help online.
  • “Being super serious...if you genuinely have mental illness, you’re probably the last person who's going to know about it.” – Scott [13:44]
  • The “double standard” of criticism online versus support in person. [35:26]
• Self-awareness and responsibility:
  • Both hosts emphasize the limits of what a podcast or online group can offer.
  • “If something I’m saying is making you feel unstable...stop listening. That’s a pro tip.” – Scott [26:28]
  • Listeners are reminded to seek real-life support if they’re feeling overwhelmed.

2. Navigating Criticism and Misunderstanding

• Accusations of the podcast ‘spreading mental illness’:
  • Scott shares a story of being accused of causing mental illness and eating disorders via misunderstood advice about blood glucose targets. [06:08]
  • Importance of context and not taking guidance out of context.
  • “If you find yourself in that position of feeling like everything was said to me today has to be done...I need to find a person who loves me to help me because I might not be okay.” – Scott [27:28]
• How criticism unintentionally amplifies the podcast:
  • Scott notes how online drama ultimately expands reach and visibility.
  • “The more people who complain about me, the bigger the podcast gets.” – Scott [48:05]
  • Example from his book’s viral online moment, fueled by arguments about his personal life, not the subject matter itself. [48:57-50:13]

3. Diabetes in the Family: Diagnosis & Emotional Processing

• Natalie’s family: Three kids with Type 1, one with another medical condition.
  • Oldest daughter diagnosed at 11, now 17. Birthday coincides with her service dog's birthday. [36:45]
  • Diagnosis story: Symptoms misattributed to post-COVID, but rapid action (driving to a better hospital) saved her daughter’s life. “I think that’s what saved her life, was my fear of the...unknown, of COVID.” – Natalie [41:59]
• Testing siblings via TrialNet:
  • Both other children test positive for T1D antibodies two months after eldest’s diagnosis. [55:05]
  • “For a long time, I regretted testing them... It took me honestly four years to accept that I was gonna have three kids with Type 1 Diabetes.” – Natalie [56:27]
• Processing ‘knowledge is power’ versus ‘knowledge is burden’:
  • Regret around testing too soon: “I think knowledge can be a burden. And I think for me, it was a burden for a long time.” – Natalie [57:21]
  • Now grateful, but urges more counseling and mental preparation for families before testing siblings.

4. Treatment Strategies & Delaying Onset

• Tzield treatment:
  • Upcoming treatment for one child positive for T1D antibodies; insurances’ requirements to start (failed OGTT, specific glucose and A1C cutoffs). [60:38-61:21]
  • Discusses practical challenges in getting approval for Tzield, and emotional calculus for her family.
• Family motto:
  • “Every day without diabetes is a gift” – Natalie [60:03]
  • Her daughter’s view: “If I could have one day less without diabetes, it’s worth it to me.” [60:21]
  • Scott reinforces the importance of savoring normalcy: “It’s so crazy to think of how few people actually make it through life without, like, a major medical thing.” [63:44]

5. Community, Content Creation, and Value of Free Support

• Scott’s philosophy on free content:
  • “I’m not gonna reach into your pocket and take $5 for you to learn how to pre-bolus. It’s ridiculous.” [21:07]
  • Openly rejects paid coaching models, prefers sponsors/ads for funding.
  • The effort and expense behind keeping diabetes education free and high-quality.
• Reality of content creation and social media:
  • Natalie shares her experiment with Facebook monetization ($20 for a weather video with 800K views). [52:33]
  • Scott’s rant on “content creator” as a title: “If you’re talking to 10 people, you’re not a content creator. Stop putting content creator in your bio. It’s embarrassing.” [78:45]
  • Social media algorithms reward controversy, not positivity.

6. Humor, Humanity, and Parenting Realities

• Parenting as a journey of hard-won wisdom:
  • Natalie: “It's not my family that made me. It was my hard work in working on myself...I was not raised well. The easiest way.” [81:42]
  • The necessity of self-reflection and resilience when managing a family with complex medical needs.
• Playful banter and self-deprecation:
  • Scott’s tongue-in-cheek cult leader references (“Would a cult leader be able to do math in his head like that?” [46:30])
  • Both poke fun at generational divides, online drama, and the messiness of real life—literally discussing peeing out of windows at one point.
• Support over perfection:
  • Natalie: “I’m not a perfect mom, but I try to be a good mom.”
  • Scott: “I’m not perfect at all, as you heard.” [39:27-39:31]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Every day without diabetes is a gift.” — Natalie [60:03]
• “If I could have one day less without diabetes, it’s worth it to me.” – Natalie’s daughter [60:21]
• “If something I’m saying is making you feel unstable...stop listening. That’s a pro tip.” – Scott [26:28]
• “You can’t consider yourself a content creator...if you’re talking to 10 people. Stop putting content creator in your bio. It’s embarrassing.” – Scott [78:45]
• “The more people who complain about me, the bigger the podcast gets.” – Scott [48:05]
• “I think knowledge can be a burden. And I think for me, it was a burden for a long time.” – Natalie [57:21]
• “You can’t just ask somebody to put this level of [work in]...until you’re willing to put in 20 years of effort...shut the up.” – Scott [73:13]
• "My goal has been to support other moms...if I've helped one mom feel supported or...not alone, that's my goal." — Natalie [75:02]

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Important Timestamps

• Scott on managing the Facebook group & mental health: [02:55-15:14]
• Accusations of spreading mental illness: [05:11-07:39]
• Scott’s philosophy on content and criticism: [21:07-27:52]
• Natalie’s oldest child’s diagnosis & the importance of instincts: [41:59-43:09]
• Discovering two more kids have T1D antibodies: [55:05-57:38]
• “Every day without diabetes is a gift”: family motto & Tzield discussion [60:02-62:05]
• Processing knowledge, regret, and family mental health: [56:27-59:23]
• Social media algorithms and content creation: [51:27-54:03] & [78:21-80:21]
• Community events and challenges for support in rural areas: [67:19-71:47]
• Playful banter and light parenting moments: [74:01-75:02]

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Summary & Tone

The episode is candid, humorous, and deeply empathetic. Scott’s frankness merges with Natalie’s thoughtful vulnerability, offering listeners a true-to-life portrayal of diabetes management, advocacy, and online community experiences. The show’s message: living well with diabetes means embracing support, owning your decisions, sometimes throwing away your fear, and—above all—treasuring the everyday moments of health and connection.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome back, friends. You are listening to the Juice Box podcast.

[B]

My name is Natalie and I am a type 1 diabetes mom to three kids with type 1 diabetes.

[A]

Nothing you hear on the Juice Box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. The episode you're about to enjoy was brought to you by Dexcom, the Dexcom G7, the same CGM that my daughter wears. You can learn more and get started today at my link dexcom.com juicebox the episode you're about to listen to is sponsored by TandemMobi, the impressively small insulin pump. Tandem Mobi features Tandem's newest algorithm, Control IQ technology. It's designed for greater discretion, more freedom, and improved time and range. Learn more and get started [e-mail] Juicebox Natalie, it is nice to have you on the program today.

[B]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

Oh, it's a pleasure. Are you kidding me? What brings you here? What made you reach out?

[B]

You know, honestly, just trying something new, putting myself out there, I guess.

[A]

Cool. Well, that's a good reason to do this. And you said you're up for the ride today, right?

[B]

I am, yeah. I mean, I'm a little nervous, but, you know, it's. It's you. You're easy to talk to, so.

[A]

Well, no, you. You don't understand. You need to go look at social media. I'm a horrible, horrible person. I don't know, you know, what you're saying.

[B]

I have read a few things about you lately, but I do try to defend you.

[A]

You don't need to, but that's very kind of you. When you defend me, you will just be seen as a cult member.

[B]

It is true. And you know what? Honestly, call me a cult member. I'm in.

[A]

You know, it's. So, Natalie, we'll reveal this in reverse, but I've had an interesting week where I was out in public a couple times, meeting people, giving little talks and saying hello and stuff like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when the first person walks up and says, hey, you know, just want to thank you for everything. That's very nice. And then you look and there's someone standing behind them waiting to talk to you, and you go find that person, and then there's a person behind you and off to the side, and people who show up and say, I just wanted to come out and say thanks. You know, I've. I'm pretty sure I know what you're going to say on stage, but I wanted to be supportive, like, all those things for what you've. You know, what you've done. And, like, you're standing there trying to, for me, contextualize what what you've done means. Just means I bought a microphone and learned how to record myself and said, these are the things I've been noticing. And, you know, it kind of grew from there anyway, I think. I don't even know how. Gosh, how do you say this exactly? Because I don't want to be. I feel badly for anybody who's struggling with anything. Right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But with anxiety or mental illness or things that are just super serious like that, I don't always know that the person struggling, realizes they're struggling. And, you know, it sounds kind of probably sounds pompous. I have no idea. But, you know, the. The Facebook page, the group takes in people constantly. About 150, about every 72 hours, we think, wow. And you will pretty quickly see that a lot of people just lurk in the background. Some people speak, some people are there trying to pimp their businesses. We have to weed those out. You know, people are trying to take advantage of people. You weed those out. Luckily, that's few and far between, especially when. Now, I think the group just hit 83,000 members this morning. Right.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

But once in a while, people pop up and you think, oh, they're struggling with sort of. Some sort of. And we want to call it mental illness, but they're really struggling, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You see it, like, it's pretty easy to spot. And we try really hard to be even extra supportive of those people, especially when they make posts that are a little rambly or a little.

[B]

Yup.

[A]

You know, like. Like that kind of thing. And there's this person that I don't know a year ago, a year and a half ago, fit the bill, you know what I mean? And you were like, oh, gosh, I hope this person's okay. We tried so many different ways to support them. And then, as always, seems to happen eventually. Once. Once you're not their answer, they turn on you. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we still try to be supportive. Like, we are not, like, quick. We're not like people who are, like, you said something in your band, like, true. Really hard. And there's a great group of people helping with the board that aren't me. And we all kind of have the same vibe, and we're trying really hard to make it a great place for as many people as possible. So people get banned once in a while for being unstable. Like, there's just really no other way to say it. Right. So I was introduced to one of those people again today through something someone sent to me. And that person indicated that they have an eating disorder and are experiencing multiple mental illness issues.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Because of the podcast.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

And I was like, I was like, what now? I said, oh, no. Like, what are all those other tens of thousands of people saying? It's good for me. I'm spreading mental illness.

[B]

Oh, gosh, Scott.

[A]

I was like. And by the way, I was not flippant when I first saw it. This is me a couple hours later when I first thought saw it. Honest to God, first reaction, I said, I, I, I thought the person's name out loud, and I thought, oh, you know, blank. I'm so sorry. You, this is happening to you. You know, like, genuinely, because this is a thing I watched happen. In the Facebook group. People tried to be supportive. We tried from different angles. We tried different voices, male, female, like, you know, different perspectives, really trying to help this person get to something. And by the way, on paper, in front of you, they seemed like they were doing really well. Anyway, you might be wondering how I am spreading mental illness to this person and giving them an eating disorder. Well, it would.

[B]

I'm very curious about it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Well, no, no, it's. I do it with a magic wand and spells I use, and that's how I got the cult to form. But no, no. So it's either a purposeful misreading of something I said, or it's a misunderstanding that they didn't get. But if you listen long enough, you'll hear me say that Arden's alarms are set at her high. Alarm set at 1:30.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And on my phone, they're set at 120. That's to give you the heads up that something's going up. It's not because we're trying to stay under 120 all the time. Right, right. And so somebody will hear that and then not hear the rest of it, and then I have to stay under 120. And that's just not obviously. It's obviously not what I've said. I've said it so many times, it would be hard to misunderstand me on, like, by mistake, but whatever.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And contextually, I'd be happy to lay out Natalie right now, by the way. You'll get to talk in a minute, but.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm loving this.

[A]

Oh, good. Are you having fun? Good.

[B]

Because actually, one of my questions for you was, how do you manage the Facebook group? So, well.

[A]

Oh, well, we'll get to it. Oh, I guess I didn't know that was one of your questions, but I guess that's how it works.

[B]

But apparently you're not managing it well if you're causing mil. Mental illness.

[A]

Well, you know, when you're spreading mental illness the way I am, it's, it's more difficult. So anyway, my, the way I think about the numbers just, you know, very simply and candidly is I like to know at 120 because I like to have a heads up to know that it's possible that Arden's going to hear about a 130 soon, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then, and then from there, okay. At 1:30 she gets alarmed. Now why? Because it's much easier to turn a 130 back into a 90 with a smaller amount of insulin than it is to wait till your alarm goes off at 200 or 250 or wherever else people put alarms. Right. Because then suddenly you're using more insulin. More insulin makes it more likely that you're gonna get low. Later, you'll get misbalance between the food in your system and the insulin that you've put in. Whatever. I just find it's kind of a law of small numbers thing. The less you use, kind of, the more stable it seems to be. You can manage diabetes confidently with the powerfully simple Dexcom G7. Dexcom.com juicebox the Dexcom G7 is the CGM that my daughter is wearing. The G7 is a simple CGM system that delivers real time glucose numbers to your smartphone or smartwatch. The G7 is made for all types of diabetes, type 1 and type 2, but also people experiencing gestational diabetes. The Dexcom G7 can help you spend more time in range, which is proven to lower a 1C. The more time you spend in range, the better and healthier you feel. And with the Dexcom Clarity app, you can track your glucose trends. And the app will also provide you with a projected A1C in as little as two weeks. If you're looking for clarity around your diabetes, you're looking for Dexcom. Dexcom.com Juicebox when you use my link, you're supporting the podcast Dexcom.com Juicebox Head over there now. This episode is sponsored by Tandem Diabetes Care. And today I'm going to tell you about Tandem's newest pump and algorithm. The Tandem Mobi System with Control IQ+ technology features Autobolus, which can cover missed meal boluses and help prevent hyperglycemia. It has a dedicated Sleep activity setting and is controlled from your personal iPhone. Tandem will help you to check your benefits today through my link tandemdiabetes.com juicebox this is going to help you to get started with Tandem's smallest pump yet that's powered by its best algorithm ever. Control IQ technology helps to keep blood sugars in range by predicting glucose levels 30 minutes ahead and it adjusts insulin accordingly. You can wear the Tandem Moby in a number of ways. Wear it on body with a patch like adhesive sleeve that is sold separately. Clip it discreetly to your clothing or slip it into your pocket head now to my link tandem diabetes.com juicebox to check out your benefits and get started today. Now I will also say that I've said in the past and we'll say again, if after a meal I see a blood sugar hit 160 and it's going up, I think, oh, we might have missed this bolus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And at 180 I consider that a high blood sugar. Right. And so that's it. Now is it a rule? Do you have to live your life that way? Is every meal or every excursion a do or die situation? No, but that's unless you have a mental illness and then maybe you, you say, oh, these are the hard and fast numbers and if I miss these numbers on blah blah blah. Anyway, that happened. That's how I gave the person apparently an eating disorder and multiple. By the way, I want to, I don't want to quote them because I don't want to out anybody, but multiple mental illnesses are, are from the podcast. Now like you said, there are nice people that jump in and go, that podcast saved my life. I don't know what you're talking about or blah blah, blah, you know, but it's just really interesting because the minute it happens about a hand. So to kind of pivot back to like managing a large community. Yeah, I don't know most people's names. Right. Like I just, it's, it's impossible. You don't know. Sometimes you like see an avatar that like catches your eye and it sticks with you or something like that. But there are a handful of people, I would say fewer than 30, who, if you said their name out loud, I will, I will immediately know who they are. And it is nine times out of 10 because they are patently out of their minds. Okay. And that we can't forget their name. Well, it's because nice people trying to help you for free spend their time trying to navigate your mental illness. And like, so you Stick with them a little bit. And I don't use the mental, I don't use the phrasing mental illness lightly. I'm not saying like, everybody with a, you know, like, feels a little anxiety. I'm talking about, like, I mean, I don't. You know what, Natalie? I see where you live in the country. You get what I'm saying, right?

[B]

I get what you're saying 100%.

[A]

Sometimes a few of you, you're not okay. And that's okay. By the way. By the way, I've also done hundreds of episodes with people who actually have mental illness where I think you would see that I'm incredibly supportive of them. And. Yeah, and I think thoughtful even about it. And I've tried hard to learn about it and I've tried hard to spread people's stories out about them. But when you get into this situation where you're just like, look, you are. We're going to try to help you. And you can see that the group is also trying to be helpful. But there's a point, there's a moment right when you're singing on the sidewalk turns into, into the, the mailbox where we gotta go, okay, I'm sorry, but you can't put your tent up on my sidewalk. You know, like, you know what I mean? Like, we're done now. And so I don't know what, how to help you, but apparently I'm not going to be able to do it, so.

[B]

Well, don't you think the ones that are harder to help are the ones that don't even recognize they have a mental illness?

[A]

It has to be. I mean, when I was, I mean,

[B]

at least if someone says, hey, I know I have anxiety, or I know I'm. What I'm saying is crazy, they acknowledge it. You know, we, we can work with that.

[A]

It also gives, it gives you the sense that there's some self awareness about it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. And being super serious. And I don't mean to be cavalier about it. Like if you, if you genuinely have mental illness, you're probably the last person who's going to know about it. And that's even well and good. Right. But you can't. Online, everybody seems, I don't know, everybody seems to find their group because it's funny because this person's comment was under another post of a person who also did not see, seem, from my perspective, incredibly stable.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so, you know, I think people find each other a lot. Like there's people who don't like me. Like really, I would Say, like, people who come off very angry, they seem to find each other. There are people who come off crazy. They seem to find each other. There are like. Which is nice, by the way. It's, go find your people. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yes. Yep.

[A]

But I'm not an entity. I'm a person. I know I put myself out here with the podcast, so it's on me. So I'm not arguing. I understand the game and I understand the world that I've put myself into. But also, you should understand that I didn't put myself into this purposefully.

[B]

I think the online world is just so wild, and I'm always constantly fighting myself because I want to be part of it and I want to make a difference. And, you know, I want to do all the good things for the Type 1 community. And then you see the negative sides and you're like, whoa, I'm out. I don't like this.

[A]

Well, it's not even. See, it's funny. I don't even think of it as negativity. I think of it as just a few people who are a little off center, all got together somewhere, which again, God bless them. But, like, they need to understand that they're talking to themselves. Yes, right. Like, I have, you know, listen, one of the things I did this weekend was I went to this event. It's funny, as I'm being chastised online, I drove my ass from New Jersey to Atlanta and back again to appear at an event for a few hours. I drove 30 hours in three days. Now, Scott, you could have flown. I could have. I had something to do in Tennessee. I made a stop. I decided to drive. That's not the point, though. Had had this thing in Atlanta not existed, I just wouldn't have done the thing in Tennessee. Okay. I never would have gone. Someone called me and said, can you come out and speak for one hour at an event across the country? We will not be paying you. And I said, wouldn't miss it. Oh, right. And showed up. And room of people. Hundred people, maybe 100, 120, a few more than that. Beautiful group of people right in this lovely setting. And I looked out on that crowd, and these were people who were looking for community. Some of them were lost, Some of them were found. And I'm not a religious person, but some of them got through some. You know what I mean, and came out the other side and were showing up to either celebrate what happened to them or to be supportive of other people. That's what I was there trying to Do. And, you know, I was supposed to be there for an hour talking to them, and then I was supposed to spend an hour talking to the kids. And it was a group between. They were like, between 7 and 15, the group of kids, right? And so I really. I had two scheduled hours of speaking. I was there for six hours. The other four hours were standing there just talking to people. People who approached me, I wasn't running up to them. And that took four hours. A young man who came up to tell me that he started a nonprofit who just translates type 1 diabetes content into another language so people in the Ethiopian and Eritrean community can have access to it. He's telling me all about this thing, and then he says, I started this because of your podcast.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I should have said to him, no, you misunderstood the whole thing. I'm just spreading mental illness on people. And, like. But. But anyway, like, there's that. What a wonderful moment. I almost cried standing in front of him, right? Like, he said to me, he's a young guy, right? In his 20s. And I'm standing there. I'm 54 years old. I've been making this podcast for 12 years now, writing a blog before that. I've been trying to help people with diabetes since 2007. 2007. I started writing the blog. Never took an ad or dollar from anybody for years and years and years and years, they would offer it to me. I said, no. A pump company came to me one time and said, we will give you free pumps for your daughter.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

And I said, we have insurance.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

I don't need free pumps. I said, in return, could you find a way to gift them to somebody else? We spent nine months trying to get through the legal process to do that, and it wouldn't work.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

Couldn't do it. We couldn't give them away. So when that we got done, they said, listen, we tried our hardest. Like, I've tried with legal 10 different times. We can't give the pumps that we want to give to you to somebody else.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Do you want them? And I said, no, I have insurance. I don't need them. Thank you, though. And then eventually, I started writing for Omnipod's blog. Okay. I would write six pieces a year, and I think I made $1,000 for each piece. I think I made $6,000 a year. That. That was the. After making the BL for 2007, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. Nine years of writing a blog, and I was. I was tearing Down a fat six grand a year writing for someone's other blog. Okay. Oh, wow, you're rich just yet. Let's do the math, okay. My yearly income could be in the tens of dollars now. So I'm doing this. I would never take an ad. I wouldn't put an ad on anything. I started making the podcast. The podcast is hard to make, so it's not easy and it's time consuming in a massive way. I mean, the editor alone is a grown man who makes an income that I pay. You know what I mean? Like, so there's, there's. So I got to start. I'm like, look, if I'm going to make this work, I got to find a way to make money off of this somehow. Like. Right?

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

So when I start doing it, you know what everybody's advice was, Right?

[B]

What was that?

[A]

Charge people.

[B]

Oh, Lordy.

[A]

$10 a month, $5 a month. You've got a thousand people listening to you charge $5 a month. You make $5,000. Like, do this, do that. Right. And I kept having the same feeling over and over again. I don't want to take money from people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just don't want to.

[B]

And that's what I love about you is. And it's, you know, in this, in the space you have, you. I mean, I think all of I. I would want you to make money in a way. But it is nice that as a type one parent or, you know, if you have type one yourself, to not have to pay for that is huge because you're allowing us to have free access, basically. But I think it's okay to make money off of ads or other. In other ways that aren't taking from us, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And let me be clear. I do. Right. But I'm not taking. I'm not gonna reach into your pocket and take $5 for you to learn how to pre bolus.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's ridiculous.

[B]

I love that about you. I love that.

[A]

Also. The things we're talking about aren't even that deep. Like, to be perfectly honest with you. Right. Like, and. And then. And I'm. I'm candid and I say that out loud.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've watched other people take my words and turn them into coaching services.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And charge like crazy money off for people. And again, if you want to pay somebody three grand to be coached for a few months.

[B]

Oh, yikes.

[A]

But God bless you. If that's what you want to do, then go do that. I'm also not telling you you shouldn't do that. And I'm not telling you, the person who's doing it, they shouldn't have a business. It's fine. It's fine with. I don't give a shit. It's fine with me. I'm just telling you it's not. I don't want to be involved in it.

[B]

Yes, I agree.

[A]

So I found a different way to pay my bills and to make this a living. Now, why is that important? It's important because. I don't know. Did you enjoy the conversation with Dr. Wachowski about the Eladon trials?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. It took me six months to set

[B]

that up, which is so crazy.

[A]

And to like. And to get him scheduled and rescheduled because the man's busy. He's, you know, transplanting things for people. So we had to reschedule a number of times. I had to work with his admin. We had to go back and forth. I got questions for him that I wanted to, like. I had to get together, like, questions I wanted to ask. Had to ask those questions. Had to record it with electricity and the Internet and all the things that it takes to make a podcast. And then it has to go out to the editor, and the editor has to do what he does to it. And then it has to. Then it has to go online. It has to be supported by social media and a website and a group online. My job is not hard, but it is constant.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. And if you don't. If you don't incentivize me to do that, meaning you don't make it possible for my house to stay warm and for my tree monitor that I see running around right now to have little frozen pinky mice to eat once in a while as a treat, I can't do that then because I have a family and I need to live, too. Right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I've seen people try to do it, and it's gonna sound strange, try to do it without it being a business, but eventually they get bored.

[B]

Yeah. And I think you get burnt out.

[A]

Well, yeah, because you have a regular life and you're trying to do this thing. Like, if you asked me to do this and go to my job, you wouldn't have the podcast. And.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And if you're out there thinking right now, well, Scott, I didn't ask you for the podcast. Okay. I can't argue with that. But my argument would be that I am doing a thing that no one else is doing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. Like, I'm recording with Natalie today, who is not a person who would normally find herself on a podcast or have a voice to say the things that I eventually imagine we're going to let her say.

[B]

And so, I mean, basically, I'm a nobody and you've invited me on here.

[A]

Well, yeah, I don't mean it that way, but yeah, right. Like, yeah, you're giving a voice to the voiceless.

[B]

And, and also, you haven't done all of this work for, you know, what, you say 12 years and then suddenly come to the type one community and say, now you guys owe me. Here's a GoFundMe. Give me some money.

[A]

You're bringing up a specific thing. And I don't like to out people, so that won't be things I will talk about directly. But, yes, you don't do that as a no.

[B]

And that's. And that's what I appreciate about you. Thank you. You know, I'm not coming on this podcast. I mean, I did have to take off an hour or two of work, but I, you know, I'm not going to record this podcast and then say, now you guys owe me.

[A]

It's such a strange idea to ask people to pay for, like, yeah, I'm. I'm making a thing. I think it helps people. Based on my historical experience and based on the fact that somebody asked me to come to Atlanta. When I got there, there were a hundred people there who were like, oh, my God, it's you. Like. So I assume that that, like means something. By the way, it's also very strange for me, it's not a thing you're ever going to get accustomed to is to have somebody come up to you as if they've seen you in a movie or something like that. It's a weird.

[B]

I don't know if you remember, but last year at Friends for Life, we were up in the bar watching the fireworks, and you were.

[A]

You guys were on the other side of the glass. My wife and I were out on the patio. Oh, my God, I remember that.

[B]

And we were pretending to take your photo like you were a movie star.

[A]

Yes, well, I am not. And if you would have taken that photo when you looked at it, you would have thought, oh, yeah, he's not. That doesn't work.

[B]

Well, I think you are a movie star.

[A]

To some people, you're lovely. But the point is, is that there are not an unending line of people in the world trying to make content for people specifically with type 1 diabetes who are not asking you to pay them.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. And so. And who are putting a professional level of effort into it. Seven days a week, 365 days a year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. So as. As I like to say in my personal life, I hear you complaining, but I'd prefer if you just said thank you, so. Or don't thank you, Scott. No, no, no, no. Or don't say thank you. You don't even. Natalie. Like, just. Just don't listen. I don't care. Like, I mean, if it helps you, that's great. If it doesn't, I don't understand why you would spend your time with it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And by the way, if something I'm saying is making you feel unstable, I don't mean to be overly simplistic, but stop listening.

[B]

Don't listen.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a pro. Like, listen, maybe people need to understand this. If you take a pin and you stick it in your leg and it hurts, and you pull it out, you stick it in again and it hurts, I'm gonna tell you, stop sticking your leg with a pen. Okay? That's the problem. It's not the guy that made the pin correct. It's your dumb ass sticking it into your leg. Now, if you can't help yourself, it's also not my fault. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

You have lots of great advice on the. And you know, your guests have lots of great advice, but, you know, you kind of have to pick and choose what works for you and what doesn't.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I mean, you have to make that choice yourself.

[A]

I don't think that every. Like, I don't think that everything I'm saying needs to be applied by every person, nor would I assume that you would do that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But if you find yourself in that position of feeling like everything was said to me today has to be done again, this is a great time for you to stop and say to yourself, I need to find a person who loves me to help me because I might not be okay. And I don't know how to help a person with that. I hope my sincerity is coming out in this last couple of moments here. You're. You're not okay. You need help.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm just realizing there's. There's not a lot of self awareness out there. Sometimes, you know, a lot of that requires someone to really, truly self reflect.

[A]

It's also. It's not. It. That's a failure of every person. Like, I am not. I'm not good at self reflecting all the time. Like, the healthiest person you can find in the world struggles with that. If you're also having sincere mental health issues, those things are going to get even more difficult. Right. And the only thing I can tell you for sure, I don't know how to fix it, but the only thing I can tell you for sure is that it's not my fault and I am not in charge of how you feel. Yes, I'm making a podcast. If you walked outside to your neighbor and your neighbor said something that made you uncomfortable or made you think, oh, I'm not doing something, or whatever, and then it makes you upset later and you and that upsetness manifests in some sort of a mental health issue. Did your neighbor do it to you? Like, why? Is it because it's on a podcast? That's different.

[B]

I think someone, people just want to blame somebody else. I don't know.

[A]

I don't know either. I don't, I don't. Honestly.

[B]

I mean, it's easier to blame someone else than to truly look at your own self and say, hm, maybe something's wrong with me.

[A]

I, I, I'm a, I am a person who, I consume a fair amount of content. As a matter of fact, I'm a, if I'm not with my family, I'm a headphones on person.

[B]

Okay. Right.

[A]

Like this morning, I mean, I was up for two hours before you and I recorded this morning.

[B]

Oh my goodness.

[A]

So this I know. Well, you live on the different coast. Trust me, it wasn't that early.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so I, I got up and I managed the Facebook group. First looked at incoming. Hold on a second. Arden is bothering me there. I looked at, I looked at incoming requests to be members you pick out. There's a couple spammy ones. You can find them real quick. Don't let them in. Yeah, let the other 30 or 40 people in that accumulated overnight. Done. I checked the board real quick for my mentions. Some nice people are out there, you know, saying that the podcast was helpful to them. I try to thumbs up that kind of stuff or respond. I search the group real quick for what people are talking about today because I'm part of how I make content is, you know, what's in the zeitgeist, what are people struggling with right now, or what are they, you know, what are they excited about? Get that together. I got to go feed the dogs now. While I'm feeding the dogs, I am listening to a person whose political opinion I don't particularly agree with most of the time talk about the war in Iran because I want to understand a different perspective than my own. I listen to that for 20 minutes. Then I listened to two videos about how to use Claude code better. Then I listened to a video about apparently Tesla's have improved something they call Smart Summon. Do you know about this?

[B]

No.

[A]

I guess there's a function they have that doesn't work really great. It. That is starting to work better. But when it gets done, the idea is going to be that you walk out of a store, open up your app, tell the app where you're standing, and the car comes to you.

[B]

It's like valet parking.

[A]

Yes. But the car just unparks itself and comes to you.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And then eventually that will lead to something called. I forget what it was called. But you'll. Eventually you'll be able to pull up at a door and then dismiss your car and your car will go park itself somewhere.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Right? And I was like, that was like a 10 minute video. I thought that was really interesting about how that that all works. I thought that was interesting. I moved on. I have a couple of more videos that I want to listen to later today. I'd like to listen to a little bit of my own podcast today, just to check for audio quality and stuff like that. Yeah, like, I'm always trying to take in information best I can to try to just make my day easier. The things that I do more valuable. I'm a person who believes that we have a lot of access to a lot of technology, but in the end we don't really do much with it.

[B]

That's so true.

[A]

And I think that's kind of a shame. And if you're going to spend time with it, I'd like my time to be as productive as possible.

[B]

Yeah, I love that.

[A]

Why did I tell you all that, Natalie? Because in the course of a day of listening to sometimes 10, 12 pieces of information made by other people, I hear stuff that I think is interesting, stuff I disagree with, things I think are wrong. I have all kinds of different reactions to them. The only reaction I never have is to say, oh, that person's an idiot or a moron or trying to hurt me, or I just think it's a person with a microphone or a camera or who's saying, this is the thing. I think, and I go, okay. And then I decide what I think of that and I move on. What world do. I'm trying to imagine a world where I pick my phone back up, go search out other people who don't like the guy who made the video about the Claude code, and then get together and spend my day talking him in comments. Get a job.

[B]

I mean, just gonna say it sounds like they need more to do during. More productive things to do.

[A]

Take a walk, get a job, make a friend. Hey, not for nothing, go jerk off, okay? But leave me alone. Seriously.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Maybe. What is it? Go make a friend. Make a. Make a pretend friend. I don't care. Draw a picture, pick your nose, Leave me alone. I didn't ask for you. It's the weird assumption that by the mere fact that somebody put something out in the world, that they're inviting you to critique them is strange. You know what's funny? And this is a supposition on my part. Let me take a drink. The people I saw complaining in this latest thing, they all had a way about them. They seem to fit together visually. I don't know, dress, hair color, stuff like this. Again, they feel like they're a group of people who found each other, which, by the way, I'm very supportive of. Now, my point in saying is they seem like a very liberal group. Okay? Also, I would tell you I'm a very liberal person, but not. But maybe not in the ear expander, blue hair way. Okay? But I'm a. But I'm a very liberal person. Come talk to me personally about my politics about the world. I think you will find that I am a very live and let live people should succeed kind of person. Like. Like. Anyway, this is not the point. The point is, is that these. This group of people seem like the kind of people. The group of people who would see a video of paparazzi chasing Ben Affleck and say, that's not fair. Leave Ben Affleck alone. Okay? It's not. Ben's got his own problems. He's. He's an alcoholic. Stop pointing a camera at him. These seem like people who would defend Ben Affleck, not the paparazzi. Okay, yeah, maybe I'm wrong, but, I mean, if you listen to the podcast long enough, Natalie, you should know that my generalizations are spot on. I'm very, very good at picking people. And like I'm telling you, these.

[B]

You are.

[A]

These people would be very defensive of people's rights. Ironically, when it comes to me, they're the paparazzi.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Right? Look what he's doing. Everyone, look, it's wrong. He's bad. He made a cult. He did that. You're out of your.

[B]

Such a double standard.

[A]

Well, it's just fascinating. It's fascinating. You see it in politics all the time, right? No matter what side you're on. We point and go, look what they're doing, and then we do the very same thing.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But then we say, no, it's okay, because it's righteous when I do it. See, when they're. When they're doing it. What you don't understand, Natalie, is they're taking the time to make sure that people know that I'm a cult leader, okay? Who spreads mental illness. And when. When. When the paparazzi do it, they're just terrible people.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. So I hope you heard all this. Whoever you are, go find a therapist, okay? And pay them. And when they tell you what's wrong, don't ignore them, because you're the last person who understands what's wrong with you right now. Also, I'm the last person understands what's wrong with me. Just so you know. Okay. All right, now.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I love it.

[A]

Now you're saying you have a kid with diabetes. 30 minutes later. What's going on?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How old I was.

[B]

She is, actually. Today is her birthday. She's 17.

[A]

Get out of here. Happy birthday.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, what a wonderful age.

[A]

She must treat you terribly. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[B]

You know, she's a pretty. I mean, there. There's definitely rough days, but for the most part, she's a pretty good kid.

[A]

Awesome. That's awesome news. Well, how old was she when she was diagnosed?

[B]

So she was 11 years old.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Okay. Yeah, I. You know, it's funny. I try not to say rough time because I think all times are rough times, but that might be a rough time.

[B]

Yes. So. So really quick, too. It's not only her birthday, it's also her service dog's birthday today as well. So her service dog is Honey, and she's two today.

[A]

So how you work that out?

[B]

You know, I think. I guess it was fate. I don't know.

[A]

That's crazy. Honey. Honey. Huh?

[B]

Honey. Honey.

[A]

Like Honey from like what? Honey what?

[B]

Like from Winnie the Pooh. H, U, N, N, Y.

[A]

What's that? That's that song lyric, Honey, honey, Kamra, DK and what's that from?

[B]

I don't think that's from my generation.

[A]

No, I don't think so either. I. I don't know. It's not important. I'm not going to find my generation, by the way, very insulting. That's fine.

[B]

Sorry. I'm sorry, Scott.

[A]

It's okay. Well, that's. So when she was diagnosed. You have other kids, right?

[B]

Yeah. So she got diagnosed in 2020, you know, great. Year we had all just had Covid, and it was in. We actually all got tested positive for Covid on Halloween.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I guess you had trick or treating. Yeah. They were devastated. And, you know, of course, this was when nobody knew what was truly going on. So we were like, we can't go trick or treating. We're gonna, you know, spread this to everybody. So we actually did reverse trick or treating that year. We put a bowl out and said, we're under quarantine. Leave, take or leave a candy if you want.

[A]

That's a great. By the way. That's a great idea. Do people leave you candy?

[B]

People brought bags of candy.

[A]

Oh, see how nice that is that. By. By the way, in certain circles, that would be seen as spreading illness. They brought you candy. It's bad. They were probably cult leaders for the Mars company.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. And, you know, it's ironic. It's. You know, some people would be like, that's what caused her diabetes.

[A]

You know, for sure there's going to be 20 people that's going to say that. Oh, well, so that. What an. What a nice thing, though. And what a smart. You're a good mom. You think of that?

[B]

I. You know, I. I try. I do the best I can. That was. That's very.

[A]

That's very thoughtful.

[B]

I'm. I'm not a perfect mom, but I try to be a good mom.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I'm not perfect at all, as you heard.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we know, Scott.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So go ahead.

[A]

By the way, I'm sorry that we started with your thing with my thing, and they got to your thing. Usually I try to do your thing than my thing when I. These break out this way. But this will be interesting to see if this works because it's all good.

[B]

Yeah, I'm. I'm just. Like I said in the beginning, I'm here for whatever.

[A]

All right. Well, you're lovely. So oak. So tell me about the diagnosis a little bit and how. How she got started where we're at today.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, the day she got out of quarantine, it was a. It was either Wednesday or Thursday. She went back to school, and then the next day she came home and was still tired and not feeling the best. And, you know, again, nobody really knew much about COVID or what, you know, the protocol is and what the symptoms are, the lingering symptoms. So I just thought, you know, this is, you know, just. She's still recovering from having Covid, and then by Saturday night, she was vomiting in the middle of the night. And again, I thought, this is weird. This is some after Covid thing. By Sunday morning, which, fun fact, my husband was a pastor at the time, she was standing at the toilet, threw up everywhere, totally missed the toilet. And I'm like, you know, upset. I'm like, you're 11 years old. How did you do that? And I still feel guilty about feeling that way. But she. So I put her in the shower to rinse her off, and she just was not. Something was off. She wasn't very coherent. And we live in a rural town, and so our hospital here is not the best. And so I called my husband at. He was at church, at work, and I said, I think something's really wrong. Let's. This must be an after Covid thing. Let's drive her to Billings, which is an hour away. And, you know, they'll be able. If she needs a special medicine, they'll be able to treat her there. So, honestly, it's. It's crazy, but I'm like. I think that's what saved her life, was my fear of the. Or the unknown, of COVID That's what made me drive her to a hospital an hour away. And, you know, she was throwing up on the way there. And by the time we got to the er, her tongue was, like, shriveled up. And I told the nurse at the triage desk, I said, I mean, this was. How much I didn't know. I said, I think she just is really dehydrated and needs an iv.

[A]

Well, she might have been.

[B]

She was very dehydrated. Her tongue was just shriveled up. I mean, it was. I've never seen anything like it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So they took us right back, and a doctor came in immediately, and he said, we're gonna check her for diabetes. And I'm like, what? No, this is a Covid thing. Like, you know, you just. There must be some medicine you can give her, and she's gonna be fine. He poked her finger, and it was 600. And he said, I'm sorry, but she has DIA type. Well, I don't even know if he said type one. I think he just said diabetes. And I just said, oh, wow. Okay. And from there, you know, we got transferred to the picu, and that was the start of our crazy journey.

[A]

Shriveled tongue and a picu.

[B]

Yup, yup.

[A]

And see what you're telling. Just so I make sure I understand, you think that if you would have waited long enough that you would have actually ended up at a local hospital? You're not sure how able they would have been to be helpful to her.

[B]

Yeah. So we've had other people in our town that have been diagnosed, and they were life flighted. And some of them. I mean, they didn't even. They really didn't know that they had diabetes.

[A]

They were just like, this person's so sick. We don't know how to help them.

[B]

Yes, yes. And so I. I really think if we would have waited any longer, I don't know that she would have been with us.

[A]

Well, good instincts. So good for you.

[B]

Yeah. Well, and. And I'm the type of mom that's like, you know, you're sick, we'll wait it out. Like, I'm not. I don't like to rush to the doctor. And so, yeah, I do. I. I think a lot about that because I. I did. I did have a medical background. And so, I don't know. I've just. I don't like to go to the doctor. I feel like they're always judging me.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Well, okay, so, for instance, I just. Which I guess we'll get into this. So I have two other kids that will also have type 1 diabetes. Technically, they do have type 1 diabetes. They're just not on insulin. But I took. My daughter's supposed to start tealed two or three weeks ago now, so on a Sunday, Easter Sunday, she had a stuffy nose, and I knew she was supposed to start treatment that Wednesday, So I said, I'm just gonna take you to the doctor just to be sure. Like, this is. You've had a stuffy nose for 10 days, and I want her to be well. She has to be well to get tzealed. So I took her to the doctor, and the doctor's like, oh, this is just allergies. And so you feel kind of dumb. You're like, wow, I brought you to the doctor for allergies. Well, so she gives us this regimen of Claritin and all, a neti pot and all of this. So Wednesday we show up for Tzield, and they're like, we just really quick need to do a Covid and rsv. Swab. They swab her nose, come back in. They're like, yeah, she's positive for both. I'm like, okay, great.

[A]

But how did the doctor feel? Judged. Why doesn't it make you feel like I was right?

[B]

That's true. That's true. But I just. I feel like it's like you take them in first. So again, when I took my daughter in for Covid, I'm like, she's just dehydrated. And then they're like, actually, she was almost dying. And then I take my daughter in for, you know, a stuffy nose. And then turns out she. I don't know. Maybe I just have ptsd.

[A]

Well, I would say you. You've exhibited a couple of really thoughtful responses. Medically, I would. Trust yourself a little bit.

[B]

I. I think I should by now.

[A]

How old are your other kids?

[B]

So I have. My oldest son is almost 19, and then Harper is 17, Ben is 14, and then Maddie is 13.

[A]

Oh, my God, you've been making these kids forever. How old are you?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I'm 43.

[A]

No kidding. Hold on a second. I'm doing some quick Math. You were 24 when you had the first one.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

See what I did there? Would a cult leader be able to do math in his head like that?

[B]

Absolutely not.

[A]

No. I don't know. Maybe they would be, because you got to keep track of all the. All the people's wives that you're having sex with, right?

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And the days that you're doing it and everything. So it probably takes some math. Wouldn't that be insane if, at the end of this, it all just ended up that I was just trying to get all your wives to come here? And. What a great story that'll be.

[B]

One day I'll start a Facebook page of conspiracy theories about you.

[A]

You know what? I would appreciate that. It really helps. I'll tell you the. What the. What the people don't realize is that. Listen, I'm going to talk about them instead of to them for a second. What they don't realize is that the social media only appreciates negativity and crazy, so it draws eyes to them that they wouldn't normally get. They think they're drawing eyes in that are going like, oh, I agree with you. But what they do is you draw insane people who go, oh, look, a crazy person. And while that's happening, you say something bad. Forget me for a second. You say something bad about the widget you bought online. This thing sucks. They ripped me off. Blah, blah, blah. And 43 other people go, no, I have that thing, and it works great. And then all the same people that the algorithm draws and go. All they learn from it is the thing you were trying to tell people not to do. They go, no, I think that's the thing I'm going to try. You are what they call an anti. What's the word there that you. Whatever it is you're trying to do. You're doing the opposite.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So thank you. Because the more people who complain about me, the bigger the podcast gets.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I. Have you ever heard me tell you about when I wrote the book and then I wrote a book in 2013. This is not really important. Was on the Katie Couric show pimping it. She did some stuff online with me in the book. And then one day, I was the 50. I was in the top 50 of all authors on Amazon.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

I did not know how that happened, because I'm not famous. I wasn't with a giant publishing company. There wasn't a lot of media behind it, nothing like that. But there I was, on the bestseller list on Amazon, and I'm like, what is happening? So I spent days trying to figure out what happened. Right. And it turned out eventually that Katie Couric had put up a story about me being on her show wherever. Like, I forget if it was like aol. This is how long ago it was. It was like AL.com or Yahoo News or something. Like what? It was really popular back in the day.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And I at first thought the article blew up the book, but it wasn't what was happening. What was happening was, is that in the comment section of the article, people were arguing about whether or not I was gay.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Right. Because one faction of people said that straight men aren't stay at home dads.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

So you're, you're closeted. It's impressive that you've tricked your wife into believing that you're not gay. Like, this whole thing. Then other people would come in and argue and be like, I, I think it's possible for straight people to take good care of their children. And like, and then they would fight. Right. So while those people. And by the way, I appreciate the people that stuck up for me in that scenario, but you're as crazy as the other person because why in the hell are you having this conversation with this person who said something ridiculous? Okay. So anyway, while these well meaning and not well meaning crazy people were fighting with each other, they were drawing in eyes from reasonable people who were buying my book. So if you want to say, like, it really is hard for me to put into words, but every time a person tries to denigrate me online, you really are just making the thing grow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you hear that and you think that that's me trying to, like, I don't know. You're probably, you probably think I'm trying to like, Double cross you into not saying bad stuff about me anymore, but I really don't care what you say, so go out there and say the craziest shit you can think about. And. And that'll just make more people listen. Yeah, because they're going to look at your crazy ass and think, well, that crazy person thinks that I probably should think the opposite. You don't understand. You're the best marketing tool I have.

[B]

Yes. Yes. Oh, my goodness.

[A]

So I know. I did the whole thing. Anyway. Sorry. Back to your kid. Good. You have something to say, so.

[B]

Oh, I was just going to say I. You know, last. I don't know, a few. Six months ago, Facebook decided to tell me they were. I could be monetized. And. And, you know, I share. I'm. I share what I share no matter what. So whatever. I'm like, okay, whatever. I don't know what this means, but we'll give it a try. And it's. You start to realize you have to create. If you want to actually make money on that platform, you have to create drama and things that bring people in. And that's just not me. Like, I just want to post genuine things. And that's. That doesn't sell.

[A]

You have no idea how difficult it is to run a positive thing on Facebook and make it.

[B]

Oh, it's.

[A]

Yeah, it's all day long. We work. We think about different ways to try to, like. Because basically you're trying to. You're. It's counterintuitive to what the algorithm wants.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

They don't. I mean, good.

[B]

And I don't want to brag, but in December, I made $20, so I'm really. I'm really doing good.

[A]

Look at you knocking it down.

[B]

Do you want to know why I made $20?

[A]

Are you thinking of getting a second house?

[B]

You know, I'm considering it.

[A]

How'd you make $20?

[B]

The. The video that I made that did the best was a video about our town had. Had this crazy wind, like 96 miles per hour, and all these trees around town fell down. And I made a video of all these trees. I mean, I made the video just to show people in our town. Like, this is crazy.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And it went viral.

[A]

What does that mean? How many views?

[B]

I think it was like 800,000 views.

[A]

Really?

[B]

So.

[A]

Of trees falling over.

[B]

Still, that many views? And I made $20?

[A]

Oh, yeah, no, no. There are some people with millions and billions. I love the creators who do that. Like, here's my thing on TikTok. How much money I Made. And they have millions of views. They made like a thousand bucks. And I was like, oh, my God, you could have panhandled a thousand dollars if you tried hard enough. Like, it's just really. It's very, very interesting.

[B]

Yeah, I think I'll keep my day job.

[A]

Well, yeah, Also, by the way, people might be bored by this, but it's a big part of my life. Facebook is only going to pump out stuff like that. That's upsetting, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Also, they don't want you to leave Facebook. Your video was not asking them to leave Facebook.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So they promote that. So you kind of think like, wow, 800,000 people found my tree video Interesting. What the truth of it is that 800,000 people were shown the tree video because Facebook knows that they, like, when people are like, weather scared is like its own industry. And then on top of that, your video doesn't ask for them to do something or leave. My problem is that I'm like, hey, look, I've got this interview here today with Dr. Wachowski. I don't know why I'm bringing this up twice. Go look at it. And that link takes you out. Out of Facebook. They want you in Facebook.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The mall doesn't want you leaving the mall.

[B]

So true.

[A]

Right? So, like, so that's what. How it's. That's how you're being manipulated by Facebook.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

They're just trying to keep you there long enough to serve you another ad, that's all.

[B]

Yep. Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, and then they. And then they. So they use the content creators to bring in people.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then they show your stuff to people for a while to get you excited about it. Then they take away your. They take away that. And then they send you notes telling you that if you pay them, they'll make sure people see your posts.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

What a scam it is. It's similar to how my wife got me to marry her. When you stop and think about it, that was a scam, too. Now that I'm thinking about that. Yeah, whatever. So anyway, when you get out of the hospital, it's, you know, six years ago. Cgm. Get that right away.

[B]

So, yeah, they gave us a CGM about a month. It took us about a month to get one.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Which, I mean, looking back, I don't know why I feel like now with my, you know, my next two kids, their diagnosis, I'm gonna be a little more pushy.

[A]

Well, yeah. When do you. So what'd you do? You did, like, I don't know, would you do trial net or something like that. How do you know about your kids markers?

[B]

Yeah, so I guess I should go back a little. So, you know, our daughter got out of the hospital, and I don't know if the doctor told us about it, but they were like, hey, there's this test that you can do to test your other kids to see if they also have the markers for type one. And so my daughter was diagnosed October 15th, and so in December, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, we should do that just to be sure. And in my mind, they were. There was just no way that that was going to come back positive. I mean, I don't. I don't know why I went into it so naively. So we tested them and got the results, and our one child had two antibodies at the time, and our other child had three antibodies at the time. So to find. To hear that info only two months after our daughter's diagnosis, it was. I mean, it really threw me into a downward spiral because, you know, we barely even had had a hold on our daughter's diagnosis, let alone realizing, you know, oh, now we're going to have three kids with type 1 diabetes. So for a long time, I regretted testing them. It was. It. It took me, honestly, four years to accept that I was gonna have three kids with type 1 diabetes.

[A]

Talk about the regret part. What made you regret it? Just that you had to think about it all the time now.

[B]

Yeah. So I just don't think I was prepared. I think when they told me to test, it was just so neutral. It's like, yeah, just test them. And it's a great thing to know. And you find that out and it's not a great thing to know.

[A]

It would have been a great thing to know if you found out they didn't have any antibodies.

[B]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. So I just think I wasn't prepared. I wished there had been more counseling before we tested. I wish they would have said, you know, you just had a daughter diagnosed two months ago. Why don't you wait a few months?

[A]

This might be more than a human being supposed to deal with.

[B]

Yes. Yes. So I think it just. It was. You know, they say knowledge is power, but I think knowledge can be a burden. And I think for me, it was a burden for a long time.

[A]

Can you see that there might be people that would have felt good about knowing and it's just not your personality? Or do you think it was just so overwhelming getting the. Basically the news of 3, 3 diagnosis in, you know, different stages of it happening? That was just more than one person can handle.

[B]

I think it was too much, too soon because I do think it's important to test and I'm not, I'm definitely not anti testing. I do think I just, I wished at the time and I think they're getting better about it now too. And just saying, realizing there is a mental aspect to knowing and, you know, just, I think it's important to discuss that first. And I do. I have had other moms ask me, you know, should I test my child? And I just, I try to give them all the info. You know, here's, here's where it was hard for me, but I mean, now. So that was five years ago that we tested them and we're just now, you know, our daughter is going to start TZ on Monday now. Hopefully, hopefully no more Covid and rsv. So that was five years ago, you know, five years of knowing this was coming. And I am, I am very glad now to know that info. I just think it was a lot at one time.

[A]

TCM just yesterday announced something.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They changed the ages. Do you know what it was?

[B]

Yes, it said age one and up.

[A]

Oh. Oh, wow. So now, which. That's. So a one year old now could, could get antibodies and receive T cell to put it off. How long did they tell you? What's the hope? How long are they hoping to push off the, the diabetes?

[B]

You know, they won't say for sure, but they said what they've seen is it's, it's pushed it out, you know, anywhere. Two years seems to be the average, but they've seen people, you know, at seven years and some that still are, you know, no onset after.

[A]

After one treatment. Which is 13 infusions. Right?

[B]

14 infusions.

[A]

Sorry. Okay.

[B]

Yep. So, you know, you know, the last five years we've come, I, I tell people our family motto, which I made this up, so it's not really. I just decided the family is going to take it on as our motto.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But every day without diabetes is a gift. And so, you know, with Tzield, because I've had people ask, you know, why delay the inevitable? And I, I had those same exact thoughts. But when I talked to my daughter, who is on insulin, you know, she said, if I could have one day less without diabetes, it's worth it to me. And so we've taken on that motto, like, we're going to try Tzield and if it gives us one extra day without being on insulin, then we're going to take it.

[A]

Okay? So, hey, your insurance covers it, huh?

[B]

So, yes, that was quite the process. And that's, that's another frustrating thing about Tzield and your insurance. They all want to want you to meet specific parameters. And so I've actually felt like she's been in stage two for quite some time. But according to insurance, you know, they wanted her to fail an oral glucose test. And your ending number has to be at a specific number, even if it's still considered high. If it doesn't meet that number that they want, then they tell you it's a normal. Like, you pass the test.

[A]

So that's not a thing that the, the drug manufacturer says. It's a thing the insurance company says.

[B]

I, I think so. I'm at least in my experience with our insurance, that was. They wanted her to fail an oral glucose test, but the ending 2 hour number had to be a specific. Had to be like 144 or higher. And then you also have to had a fasting glucose of 1:10 or higher. And then they wanted an elevated A1C, but our doctor kind of, she was able to bypass that a little bit because her A1C was like, right on the cusp of, like, being abnormal. I think it was like 5.7.

[A]

Okay, did you have to talk your kids into this or was it a thing they wanted immediately?

[B]

So, you know, originally when we tested them, we just poked their finger and they did the, you know, trial net. I don't think any of us knew what pursuing Tzield meant. So, no, I didn't really have to talk them into it. They've kind of just rolled with the punches and they're like, okay, like, so, yeah, about.

[A]

You talked about, like, psychologically how you felt realizing this about your three kids, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But can you tell me how the, the, the kids felt? Like, so I want to know, did the kid with type 1 feel guilt? Did the two that have markers, are they nervous or are they comforted by knowing? And the fourth one who doesn't have anything, are they just like deer in headlights or what? What's going on over there?

[B]

Well, it's funny, the fourth one that doesn't have anything, he was actually born with what's called Hirschsprung's disease. So he had his whole own medical journey before all of this even happened. And that his medical journey, I thought was the worst thing in the world and difficult. And then type one came into our life, and it was like, whoa, you know, totally different ball game there.

[A]

So. So that one doesn't feel like, he got away with something because something's happened to him as well.

[B]

Right? Yeah, he. Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Well, that's fair. Probably prior to the diabetes, he was like, oh, it's all on me. Like, something. Yeah, yeah, it's.

[B]

Yeah. He's like, finally, someone else.

[A]

You guys got resloaded, you know what I mean?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Oh, my God. Isn't it? I. I mean, this is a big idea that's really not that deep. But it's. It's so crazy to think of how few people actually make it through life without, like, a major medical thing, like. Because I think.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think we all believe, like, the idea is, like, you're gonna be born, and then something dire happens at the end. Probably just old age and it's over. And, you know, then you realize at some point along the line, like, I am gonna get sick. Right. I'm gonna sneeze and cough and probably get the flu once or twice. Like, okay, well, that's not too bad. But, you know, it's modern times that doesn't kill anybody. Until it does. And then, you know, and then things get. You know, if you're lucky, nothing else happens but people's. If you really stop and look at people, there are. There are. There are not many people who are just getting through life without medical concerns.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And, you know, it's. I don't know. It's one of those. I feel like it's one of those odd things we think we're promised that just ends up not being the situation.

[B]

Well, and I. You know, when I was choosing. When my husband and I were choosing to have kids, you know, you hear moms say. You know, they go for their ultrasound and they say, as long as they're healthy. And it's like, I've actually tried to. To. To not push that narrative because it's like, no, as long as your kids are loved and wanted, because nobody is promised a healthy life. And I. When I chose to have four kids, never in my mind did I ever think they would each have a chronic, lifelong illness. You know? So you can sit there and say, oh, as long as they're healthy. Well, what if they're not? What are you gonna do?

[A]

Well, then we're done with them.

[B]

Yeah. Just see your kids.

[A]

Throw that one in the pile. I. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you have. Do you have any health issues? Your husband.

[B]

So. No, not really.

[A]

Okay. I mean, I autoimmune in your extended families.

[B]

Yeah, so my mom does have Hashimoto's, and. But really, that's it. I think someone on my husband's side might have had Crohn's.

[A]

I was going to ask. Anybody pooping after Thanksgiving?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, right. Where does Uncle Bill go after. After the turkey, possibly. Yeah. We thought he was getting high, but he was just. He's just upstairs. So I hear you. Okay. Wow. And then you got three. Is the Hirschburns autoimmune? No.

[B]

So. No. It's a congenital defect, which they, I mean, they don't really know usually. It's, like, spontaneous when that happens, I think. But it also can be genetically linked, which I feel like they say that about type one, you know, it's like, oh, it can be random. But then I'm like, well, I have three kids with it, so there's got to be some genetically.

[A]

No, it's random randomly. All three of your kids got type 1 diabetes.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's terrible odds.

[A]

Yeah. Did you buy a lottery ticket after this happened? You thought, maybe I just, like, things that are really uncommon happened to me or.

[B]

No, yeah, I've thought about it. I have.

[A]

Should I move to Montana? This is the other question. I can't handle the winners. Is that correct?

[B]

Yeah. Okay. But have, have I heard that you lived in Montana before?

[A]

No. No. I thought of Guy. I, I, I got invited to the speaking thing out there. I was so excited about it. Then it fell apart.

[B]

Oh. Why?

[A]

I don't. Well, because coordinating big things like this is hard.

[B]

Well, okay, so which brings me to this point. I feel like Montana is so weird for type 1 diabetes support. Like, it's very few. It's few and far between. Like, we need more stuff out here.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that, that's that way in a lot of places, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it's just if you're not. It's funny, if you're not in a major, like, metropolitan hub, then.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The idea of putting together something where people have to travel to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sounds good in theory. And you'll even get people to say, like, don't worry, we're going to come. But then on the day everyone wakes up in the morning, goes, are we going to drive 45 minutes to talk about, I don't think so. And then my ass is standing in Montana and nobody shows up. You know what I mean?

[B]

Well. And, you know, in Montana, the weather is unpredictable. So, you know, Yesterday it was 80 degrees, and today it's supposed to snow. So if you want me to drive 80 miles to hear you speak, but it snows, I'm going to skip it

[A]

yeah, well, then that's exactly the point. So then these institutions don't do stuff like this.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because it's also, I mean, it's. I spoke at Hofstra a week or two ago last week, and, you know, I think there are about a hundred people in the room. It's a really nice turnout, and they were thrilled with the turnout. And I was standing there going, like, seeing some empty seats. And so, you know, it's, It's a tough feeling when you, when you travel somewhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I spent six hours traveling that day, by the way. Did not charge anybody any money. I drove three hours out and three hours back and spent a few hours while I was there. I left my house at 1 in the afternoon and returned home at 9pm to talk to these people because I thought it was a, I thought it was a, a nice thing to do. And I was excited to be, you know, I was happy that the, that the hospital was, you know, inviting me. Because, you know, I've talked about this before, but I've probably been invited to talk at a dozen hospitals over the handful of years, recent handful of years. They never follow through.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Eventually you get the invite from like a lower level person who loves the podcast and thinks, like, this would be really great. And then eventually it gets high enough up the ladder where someone goes, so what's his degree in? And they go, he's got a podcast. And then someone goes, we're not letting a guy with a podcast come here and speak. And then this one was great because the person, Maggie, who is an endo and I think will be on the podcast at some point, she persisted and she went to her, you know, leadership and said, no, listen, like, pay attention to this. Like, I think you're gonna like this. And then they got together with me on a zoom and we talked and it worked out. And I'll tell you what, it was great. And I said some things that I bet you the staff was slightly uncomfortable about. I bet you there were people on the staff that were probably like, oh, God, thank God someone's saying this. I can't say this at work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of that going on. But what I saw were the people in the room were genuinely thrilled and, and, and had a great time and, you know, hopefully heard a thing or two that might make their life easier.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is really the only goal. But it's that that thing is it's got to be put together. It's got to be Run. It takes months to plan. There's food. It's expensive. Like, it ain't easy. The thing I just did with Touch by Type one, like a small army of dedicated people put something like that together. It is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't just all show up at a Popeyes. You know what I mean?

[B]

No.

[A]

Although I got to tell you, that would work for me. You know what I mean?

[B]

We don't have a Popeyes in Montana,

[A]

so I have a little mashed potatoes with gravy before I go.

[B]

Oh, they're delicious.

[A]

Anyway, I just. I know that Yellowstone ruined your state, but I. You know, it's hard not to watch it on TV and just be romantic about standing outside and looking at a few hundred acres.

[B]

I know, I know. So, yeah. I mean, is there anything we can do to try to talk you to coming back here?

[A]

Well, somebody's just got to do the thing, like, But. And then I'll come because I wanted to see. We were going to. I was going to do. I was going to bring my family, and we were going to do a national park while we were out there. See, the whole thing just fell apart.

[B]

So I'm like an hour away from Yellowstone. I could be your personal tour guide. I would drive you through Yellowstone.

[A]

I don't want to get sick. And it sounds like everybody around you is ill, so I'm not doing that. But. No, no, but you're very nice. I just wanted to come in. It was supposed to be a couple of days, too. Like, it was an event.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I still know what happened to it. It just died on the vine. So anyway, actually, it makes my point not to throw shade on the people that couldn't pull that together, because I don't mean that. But, yeah, it makes the point I kind of started with earlier. Like, you think that, like, making this podcast is easy.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Making these things are not easy. And when you try to get somebody to volunteer to put together a podcast or a newsletter or get together, their life's going to get in the way. It has to be tied to their. I don't know if you all understand why. You know, why. Why a system of money works so well, but it motivates your ass to do something. Okay?

[B]

So, I mean, I was trying to make content just for fun, and it was exhausting. And I made $10.

[A]

Oh, exhausting is not the word. It's just. And wait till you make something that you really love and you put it out there. No one sees it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're like, oh, my God, I'M not doing that twice. So you need somebody that's either crazy enough to keep doing it or being motivated in the right way. And for me, like, clarity, I'm sitting in my house, My wife has a job, and her and I make money and put it into a pile, and then we pay for the house and for our insurance, our car insurance, and our. The gas that makes my stove cook, the food and the food itself. Like, you know how this all works, right?

[B]

Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So we. You can't just ask somebody to put this level of. So I guess the point is, if you're out there going like, Scott, you do it wrong, or, I don't like what you do, or whatever I would say to you, you go do it. That's a good idea. I'm not being flippant about it either. Seriously. You're probably right. Maybe you'll do it better or different or in a way that'll help a different group. You go ahead and get out there and do it. And until then, until you're willing to put in 20 years of effort to have this conversation with Natalie, my message to you would be, I shut the up. Okay.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like, either what. What. What's that phrase? Or get off the pot. Is that the one? Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. That's an old one there. That's the thing. I can hear my.

[B]

I do know that phrase.

[A]

Do you know that one? You know why it's like that? They used to. A pot.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

That's right. Imagine being alive then with diabetes, while people are in a pot, and then throwing the pot out the window. Okay, so, like, oh, on the side. You know, it's on the side of the house. Is that why vines grow up? Oh, God, I hope not.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I don't have vines on my house, so we're safe.

[A]

No. No poo on your house.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Very recently, I told a story on the podcast, and I got done. I was like, why did I do that? And it was about how I once, or maybe more than once, peed out the window of my house because I didn't feel like going down. But I feel like. But I feel like a lot of guys can, like. I mean, you're lucky you can do that, Natalie. Also, there's no. There was no screen in the window. I just want to be clear about that.

[B]

Okay. Oh, good.

[A]

It's a straight shot. Good. There's. Do you watch shrinking on Apple tv?

[B]

No.

[A]

And one of the characters pees off his roof A lot. And I'm just like, right on. It's freeing.

[B]

That's. Scott.

[A]

I would do that. I don't think I would now, by the way, but back then, I was on the. I was in the attic of a house growing up. Like, it was like I had to go down, like, two sets of flight, like, floors to go to the bathroom.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. That's a lot.

[A]

Yeah. I never. I never pooped out the window. I just want to say that.

[B]

Oh, that's good.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But anyway, if you. If you have a complaint, forget me about anything, you go do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're so smart, go do it.

[B]

And I think, you know, when, like, on social media, that's my. I feel like you just have to have what. Whatever your goal is and stick to it. And my goal has been to support other moms. It's not, you know, yes, I'm monetized, but like I said, I'm making $10. But if I've helped one mom feel supported or, you know, whatever. Not alone. That's my goal, and so I'm gonna stick to that. And it is what it is. And.

[A]

And listen. And you don't get involved in all the rest of it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, I. The person. I saw another person say, like, you know, Scott just bans you if you don't agree with them, which, by the way, is. Is patently untrue. We have a shockingly low number of banned accounts in a group that has 83,000 people in it. And. And what I. When I saw that person say that, I'm like, I didn't. First of all, I didn't ban you. Another person adminning the page got sick of you and banned you. Like, and you weren't banned for disagreeing. You were banned, which. For being out of your mind too many times.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

[B]

Which, by the way, I love your admin team. They're all wonderful, aren't they?

[A]

Wonderful people.

[B]

Yeah, they are.

[A]

Yeah. Seriously, they don't just.

[B]

They don't get enough credit.

[A]

No. And they're not getting paid, so there you go.

[B]

Yeah. Weird.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just lovely people, by the way. There you go. Lovely people who had a good experience with the podcast, saw that it was valuable for others, and thought, I wonder how I could facilitate helping more people the way I was helped. And then I've got to wake up to see that this has been characterized as me building a cult and spreading mental illness. Thanks a lot. Jesus Christ.

[B]

Gosh.

[A]

What's the Saying, you guys cut.

[B]

Cut Scott some slack.

[A]

They don't have to cut me slack again. If they argue and say crazy things, it really does help. So I think I'm complaining on a human level.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But on the thing level, it's just part of it.

[B]

Yeah, it really is.

[A]

It's like having to have a gas station, you know, near the place where you're fixing cars. That's just. It's the cost of doing business. The cost of doing business is that crazy people are going to say crazy things. So nothing you can really do about that. But anyway, no good deed goes unpunished is not a saying. That just came out of nowhere. There must. The very first person who tried to help another person must have thought of that.

[B]

Oh my goodness.

[A]

Oh, you know, it's funny, you said you, you know, you, you monetize the thing and you were like, oh, I might make content and everything while I'm being, you know, coarse towards crazy people. Let me, let me make this point too. You're not a content creator. I'm a content creator and I wouldn't call myself a content creator because it's embarrassing. Okay. Like, like if you're not embarrassed by it, I really, I wish for you a time machine so you could go back to the 70s for 10 minutes and live there. Where, where you would realize that you having an account on a social media thing and saying something about something over and over again does not make you a content creator. I don't care if a thousand people say it. That's a thousand of how many billions? It's. Statistically, it's insignificant. And not that you should. Maybe you're helping those thousand people and. Right on. Go ahead and go. And you should do that and I mean that. But you can't consider yourself a content creator. Of that.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

I'm barely a content creator.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm in a niche inside of a niche inside of a niche. I'm not healthcare. I'm not diabetes. I'm type 1 diabetes. I'm inside of six different bubbles inside of a bubble. You are talking to 10 people.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Stop putting content creator in your bio. It's embarrassing. Okay? If your parents saw that, they'd get in a time machine and go figure out when they made you and they'd stop because they'd be like, I didn't realize I was going to raise a 40 year old person who would think that their TikTok is a business because it isn't. Oh my God, don't. It's really that hard to Understand? I feel like I'm losing my mind. Okay.

[B]

It's like, you know, if you wanted to be an author, you used to have to, like, have a publisher and you had to go through the process. Now anyone can even be an author.

[A]

And I don't want to, I don't want to say, I don't want to sound snobby, but when people tell me they wrote a book and it's self published, I think, no, you didn't. Yeah, yeah, you made a PDF. But congratulations, good job. Also not. Not a small undertaking. And I imagine that a lot of self published books are really awesome, but that's a hobby.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You didn't write a book. You write a book. When a publisher comes to you and says, I will pay you an amount of money to hand us a transcript, and if we turn that transcript into a book, then you have written a book. Does that sound snobby or old school or. I don't know. Maybe it does, but that's how my brain works. If you're talking to 10 people, you're not a content creator. I used to have a Facebook that talked to more people like that before I had any of this because I had 25 friends.

[B]

Friends, right.

[A]

But anyway, that's the joking aside about it. That, that, like, feeling that that's what you're doing is insane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If everyone was a content creator, then what would the rest of us be doing? We already have an economy that's just based on passing the same money back and forth to people for goods and services. Like, yeah, somebody get out there and do something for Christ's sake. I'm already taking up down the stupid job. Like, you go, go take a piece of wood and turn it into something like, my God, and your colorful glasses and the like. Stop it. Like, stop crying, poor. You're wearing $9,000 worth of clothing in your picture.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

I could go on I about people forever if you want me to. Seriously, I should stop making a diabetes podcast and just make a podcast where I complain about people. I really do think it would be more fun.

[B]

Oh, my goodness, it probably would be.

[A]

Then they could yell at me and I would be like, yeah, right on. You should. I'm an ass. All right, Natalie, listen, I know I'm ruining people's lives, but I have to actually go eat, then come back and record again today, so I gotta roll. But would you say that I'm sorry I talked a lot I'm gonna say

[B]

first, but because, hey, it's your podcast. You can do what you want, Natalie,

[A]

Why are you so mentally stable? What happened to you? Were you raised by Republicans? Democrats? I want to know the whole thing. Give me five minutes. How did your. How did your family make you a reasonable person?

[B]

I can probably say it's not my family that made me. It was my hard work in working on myself because I was not raised. Well, the easiest way. Oh, okay.

[A]

All right, well, then, look, then that's even a better story. Somebody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Somebody didn't hand you this common sense. You went. It's hard thought.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah. Please, everyone take a minute, be quiet, put your phone down, and try to. Try to think through things a little bit. Like. Yeah, it's not that hard. A person making a podcast is not making you feel a certain way.

[B]

Yeah, that.

[A]

That's. That's you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Oh, my God. All right, I've done enough here. I can't. I can't be this smart for too long. It makes my brain tired. I gotta go.

[B]

All right, go eat. Go eat some food.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna have. I might have a Cheerio today. I'm in a very lazy mood.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Have you ever been lazy and not want to cook, but you're hungry?

[B]

Absolutely. All the time.

[A]

I might have a Cheerio.

[B]

That's why I had kids. Some of my kids actually like to cook. Yeah. Go make me something.

[A]

Arden cleaned the. The kitchen the other day because she was like, I want to do my homework down here, and it's messy. So she cleaned it all up. And I got home, I was like, the kitchen was so clean. I said, well, the kitchen's really clean. And. And Kelly goes, yeah, Arden cleaned it. And we were like, sucker. And she's like, yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta get them to do. Back in the day, you could just force your kids to do anything, but there's rules now.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Now they. There's. You're supposed to give them a choice now.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. And by the way, I find it to be a mistake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Child labor laws. You're just asking them to cut the lawn.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Natalie, I'm gonna go because I. I find you very lovely, and this could just go on forever. Dexcom sponsored this episode of the Juice Box podcast. Learn more about the Dexcom G7 at my link dexcom.com juicebox the podcast you just enjoyed was sponsored by Tandem Diabetes Care. Learn more about Tandem's newest automated insulin delivery system, Tandem Moby with control IQ/[e-mail] Juicebox There are links in the show notes and links@juicebox podcast.com I can't thank you enough for listening. Please make sure you're subscribed or following in your audio app. I'll be back tomorrow with another episode of the Juice Box Podcast.