Heather McDonald (3:32)

And do you like the LA life?

Sloan Hooks (3:34)

I do like the LA life, I think also because I did come here with, like, a little bit more establishment. I know a lot of people come here, like, to make it and like, not saying I made it, I definitely did not, but I at least had something going for me. It is hard out here. I mean, there's a lot of competition. So I love YouTube because it's given me my own space. Kind of like you have a great, like, community that just die hard. So I think YouTube kind of gives us that ability to own that space, which is why I love it.

Heather McDonald (3:57)

So great. Okay, so we're getting to a lot of the things. Since you did, I'm going to move this up. Since you did mention Britney, that you were part of the Free Britney movement. When you say that, what do you mean you were part of it?

Sloan Hooks (4:11)

So in April 2019, I started posting videos, just kind of like leveraging articles I saw online. And the way I spoke about the content, I think kind of like you. You know, we've got a way of covering topics where people like to hear our takes. And that was established for me pretty early on. So her old manager, Sam Lefty, who is sketchy, definitely not someone I would fully rely on, sent me like $100 in PayPal with his phone number, said, call me. I talked to him for two and a half hours on the phone that day, and he ended up leaking information through my channel. And my videos started to get more views, like 60,000.

Heather McDonald (4:42)

What type of information did he leak?

Sloan Hooks (4:44)

Emails of them talking about how they were going to make sure the judge issued a flight risk notice so that she couldn't leave, so that she was trapped in the conservatorship.

Heather McDonald (4:53)

Emails back from when he did manage.

Sloan Hooks (4:55)

Her, back whenever he was like, how.

Heather McDonald (4:56)

Many years ago we're talking.

Sloan Hooks (4:58)

This is 2007, 2008. He also gave me information about Amanda Bynes because he was a huge part of putting her into a conservatorship. So he essentially.

Heather McDonald (5:06)

Sam Lofty was.

Sloan Hooks (5:07)

Yeah, Sam Lofty was he actually, he organized the flight from New York City to LA with her parents. So he sent me screenshots of emails with her dad.

Heather McDonald (5:15)

Does he say he regrets this now or what was his point of view? I mean, he's basically telling on himself, which is, in retrospect, not a great move.

Sloan Hooks (5:24)

Well, he feels like in the Britney situation that Larry Rudolph prohibited him from, like, actually helping there. He didn't want Britney in a conservatorship. Amanda, though he will till this day say she deserves it. He's like, she should still be in it. I'm like, no. Like, no one should be in a conservatorship. But he. I don't think he really had control in there. He just had receipts to show, like, hey, this was happening. The stuff you're talking about that happened like 10 years after the fact is actually true. I was there. I was part of it, trying to stop it. In that moment, he probably regretted it.

Heather McDonald (5:50)

Did he share anything of why he felt that she did have, you know, what he would consider mental issues? Amanda Bynes.

Sloan Hooks (5:58)

Amanda Bynes. I mean, he, you know, he would never get. He, like, did not want to talk about Amanda because he specifically felt like she deserved it. I think he, like, resented her personally because he was so tied into that. When we get into Amanda, I think it's like, you know, Dan Schneider is a big part of that. That Nickelodeon, right. You know, she tried to file for emancipation at 16 from her parents to live at Dan Schneider's home with his wife. He's a married man, which we never hear about. His wife, Hungry Girl, Hungry Girls. Her name. Her name is Lisa, but she goes by Hungry Girl. She's like a cook on Instagram. Oh, yeah. Just in general in life, she's actually pretty Established, like, she's gone on different tacos, talk shows and like cooked for people. But yeah, Amanda was way too involved with the director and producer of that show.

Heather McDonald (6:38)

So, you know, I mean, if we're just gonna play, you know, criminal defense attorney. Okay. Which I like to do since my sister is one. You know, Dan has always said, you know, I guess maybe I was like a mean showrunner or whatever, but like, you know, has never denied any of the stuff. Even though we had the weird videos of him, like clearly thinking that, you know, 13 year old feet was by far the funniest thing that we could ever feature over and over and over again. Some people just aren't that creative. And he could say, hey, I just, you know, beat it like a dead horse. This dumb joke anyway. He could also say, you know, hey, I. She wasn't happy with her parents. She was a star of this show. And my wife, who is lovely, was like, if she does get emancipated, she could live with like, you know, it doesn't mean that there could. I mean, look, it doesn't look good, but it also. There still has. No one has ever said, including Amanda.

Sloan Hooks (7:37)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (7:38)

That there was anything wrong or inappropriate happening. And I mean, there were times growing up when we were in high school and stuff, we're like, this would happen a lot, like in my generation where, you know, your best friend would be fighting with their parent and then they would just like live with you for a month. And now I would never agree to that. I would be so afraid that legally something would happen or they would think that, you know, like, I feel like that's just a lawsuit ready to happen. But back in like the 80s and 90s and stuff, people would do that. They'd be like, that's fine, he can stay with us for two months.

Sloan Hooks (8:15)

And I feel like that's speaking to society and our exposure, like social media news, we hear all these horrific stories. So back then it was happening, just nobody was talking about it. And they definitely didn't believe them, especially when it came to male victims. I mean, what you said about Dan, you're right. I mean, Amanda's never said anything. And I think if there is a downfall, it would have to be under Amanda's terms. But he hired these people that committed crimes over and over again. He knew that Drake Bell was being touched by Josh. Not Josh Peck, Emerson Josh, Brian Peck.

Heather McDonald (8:44)

Yeah, that was horrible with the acting.

Sloan Hooks (8:46)

Teacher, which I think speaks to more of his character, which is why there is this shade over him.

Heather McDonald (8:51)

But you're right, I'm not defending him. I'm just saying if there was something for her to live with them, it doesn't mean that she was gonna be in a throuple is all I'm saying. But obviously, you know, we see her now and it's just absolutely shocking because I remember the first time I saw her and it was my manager at the time was like, brought a VHS tape over and was like, look at this kid. She just did like a one day standup camp at the Laugh Factory and she's gonna be a huge star. And I was like, well, thanks. This kid is like 10 and I'm like 25, trying to make it. I'm like, all right. But you know, she was so, so talented. But sometimes it's mental illness, but sometimes it's. People are just like, I don't want that life anymore. And you're like, how? What do you mean you don't want to be an actress anymore? It's the greatest thing on earth. And sometimes it's just not, you know, I mean, even people that are really well established and everything, they leave acting and they start selling tequila or like Gwyneth Paltrow goop. Like sometimes people don't want the hours and being told to stand and the sound and the lights and. But clearly with Amanda, like, you know, okay, so getting back to all of this. So you were getting this from Sam and Sam found you now I had reached out to Sam over the years and I was like, would you ever want to talk? And clearly he didn't want to talk to me, but because I was always wondering, did he get a bad rapid.

Sloan Hooks (10:20)

Oh, he definitely did. I mean they had to. Britney's mom wrote a book talking about him drugging her, which they. He actually sued her for defamation because of that. Took it to court, proved that he never drugged Britney and the book actually cannot be sold because of that. And that was a long time ago. So he definitely got a bad rep for it. I don't think he realized I recorded our call. So he probably regretted it later on when it was leaked and transcribed and all that information was put out there. But I knew I was onto something because TriStar Sports Entertainment has been allegedly attributed as the firm Lou M. Taylor and her manager as the people who put Britney in this conservatorship. So when I started getting 1 2, 15, 25 cease and desist letters from them, but no lawsuits filed, I was like, you know what, I think I'm onto something. And I was just little old me with My government job. So I really didn't mind the risk.

Heather McDonald (11:06)

And now, you know, so. So it all kind of came out with the documentary, the books and everything. And so recently she, you know, did a little video. I married myself. And I, you know, I had met her out one night. She was very nice to me.

Sloan Hooks (11:23)

When was this?

Heather McDonald (11:24)

December 16th.

Sloan Hooks (11:26)

Wait, like last year?

Heather McDonald (11:27)

Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (11:27)

Oh, my gosh. Wait, okay, so then you would understand. Is she coherent? Wait, no. You went out with her. I saw this report. Right.

Heather McDonald (11:33)

I didn't go out with her.

Sloan Hooks (11:34)

Well, you put a Cisco.

Heather McDonald (11:35)

I met her at a restaurant, yes.

Sloan Hooks (11:37)

And was she coherent?

Heather McDonald (11:38)

Yes, she was. Was she, like, wacky and stuff? Yeah, you know, but friendly nonetheless. Oh, no, she was. She was nice and everything. And there's more to it that I tell, like, at my live show because I don't want to. But she was. No, she was nice. But I have said, this is it. I don't think she's ever going to be on stage. I don't think she wants to again. Everybody always thinks, don't she want to. Don't you want to get. No, like, hopefully, you know, I think she's happy in this house. I don't think she wants to remodel it. I don't think she wants to go anywhere else. I don't know.

Sloan Hooks (12:20)

Yeah, because she moved out for a little bit and then moved right back in when she was in, you know, around the time that she married Sam.

Heather McDonald (12:26)

I don't know what her finances are like, but I do think this is. She still wants to feel like she has interactions with fans, even though she's turned off her comments. But I think she likes to see the likes and the views and she likes doing this dancing and all this stuff.

Sloan Hooks (12:45)

But it is interesting because if you don't want to be a part of this life, we can get it. But, like, the Instagram, it's a weird thing. It's weird because it's old stuff, too. This isn't new. You know, it's just odd that she's, like, reposting these things. I mean, I know Crowdsurf was the company hired by Britney Baby LLC to run her Instagram. So there have been reports of, like, she's not even actually running it. And back when the free Britney was at the height and her dad was in control of everything, there were questions of, like, is she making these posts or not? But I don't understand why anyone believes.

Heather McDonald (13:15)

I got all sucked into that world, too.

Sloan Hooks (13:18)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (13:18)

And I was talking to her former, like, makeup artist, and he was telling me, oh, we talk on the phone and she has like the, you know, all this type of stuff. And I just felt like in the end it wasted so much of my time because it was like, she's not posting these things and they're trying to make her look crazy. And I'm like, but how would that behoove them?

Sloan Hooks (13:40)

Yeah, right.

Heather McDonald (13:41)

Like, oh, because the crowd surf people are into keeping her into the conservatorship.

Sloan Hooks (13:45)

It's not helping the brand at all. But.

Heather McDonald (13:47)

And my conclusion is it is her. It's not a body double. I think her teeth have moved.

Sloan Hooks (13:56)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (13:57)

And some people just need to, you know, keep a program with a retainer. Invisalign. Yeah, I think it's her. And I think she's going to keep spinning.

Sloan Hooks (14:07)

Spinning until, you know, until she spins through the floor.

Heather McDonald (14:10)

Yeah, until she can't spin anymore. Like, I don't think anything's going to change and. But it's like the only thing that might change is I haven't talked to her about it a long time. I think people aren't really talking about it. People don't really care. And that would be the only thing that if she truly is someone that needs to feed her attention, you know, Gene, then she might be like, okay, well now I do wanna do something.

Sloan Hooks (14:37)

Because, well, there's this movie coming about, right?

Heather McDonald (14:40)

They sold the rights to a movie, but that would just be like a scripted movie.

Sloan Hooks (14:44)

Yeah. I wonder if she would have a part in it.

Heather McDonald (14:46)

Yeah, I don't think she will because I. But I mean, I think she'll get the check and it's her life. But I don't think she's gonna be like the one who says it's gonna play her. No, I think they'll. That'll go and I bet it'll be quite. It could be really good. It could be great. You know, it could be like some chance for an actress to get an Oscar or something. But who knows where she'll be when that comes out or what her point of view will be. Chances are she'll hate it.

Sloan Hooks (15:12)

Yeah. Like I could see her totally. It comes out and then it's just a post. Like, I never really liked this.

Heather McDonald (15:17)

That never happened. I never got an ice cream before I had a hot dog. You know, like they were like how people get like wrapped up in like some small thing about their own life, which I get. Must be so weird for anyone to see their life. But anyway, that's what I.

Sloan Hooks (15:32)

That's what I think reminds me of like Gypsy Rose and the Menendez brothers and all that. It's just, like, odd.

Heather McDonald (15:37)

Yes.

Sloan Hooks (15:38)

I was actually interviewing the makeup artist who did Gypsy Rose's makeup, you know, when she came to la and she did, like, the full beat.

Heather McDonald (15:43)

Oh, yeah.

Sloan Hooks (15:44)

It was so interesting. She told me that Gypsy. She was the fourth person to hear that Gypsy was pregnant. She, like, Gypsy just randomly sent her a picture because she's got no girlfriend. So, like, this cute makeup artist I interviewed, Alexis Oakley, she's, like, the only one that really bonded with her. And she's like, I saved that photo. And I looked at the time, trying to, like, decipher, you know, whether it's the baby's, Ken's, or Ryan's. But she told her, like, you know, 30 minutes after she took the test and sent it to this makeup artist, which random. Right?

Heather McDonald (16:09)

Yes. And I feel like, you know, there was a couple articles about her last week because she said, you know, they're like, you know, she's like, well, I'm sad that my child won't be able to meet her real maternal grandmother. Oh, you're sad about it?

Sloan Hooks (16:23)

Yeah. Right.

Heather McDonald (16:23)

Like, I mean, you shouldn't be sad about it. She was a horrible woman. So horrible that you killed her. So, like, I just. But even with that, I was like, you know what? I think we're done with her. I think we're done with Anna Delvey. There's some that I just want to.

Sloan Hooks (16:34)

Like, I'm over Anna Delvey. Like, she really could have done her big one with the Dancing with the Stars, and they could have been a little bit more likable, especially because her partner's been dreaming of this. And then she goes there, and she's just like, the disrespectful is cute at first, but now it's just not flattering.

Heather McDonald (16:47)

I think it really is her. I think she really is.

Sloan Hooks (16:49)

Would you see her litter on TikTok? Like, she threw, like, a can outside the window. Like, oh, someone was driving. And all the comments are, like, litter queen. Just, like, praising her. It's. It's disturbing.

Heather McDonald (16:59)

Yeah, I think. Yeah. There's certain people where I'm, like, ready.

Sloan Hooks (17:02)

To close the book on them.

Heather McDonald (17:03)

Yeah. Like, who cares? You know? Like, who cares with her? Okay, so you were. You did a little story on this.

Sloan Hooks (17:09)

Oh, look at my face there, too.

Heather McDonald (17:10)

Well, sorry, I just had to grab it quickly. Sorry, I just had to grab it. I was just grabbing it. But this is about Katy Perry and her husband, and I.

Sloan Hooks (17:19)

You know, they're not married. I learned that I thought they were.

Heather McDonald (17:22)

Do you know, there's a lot of people. I wonder that. I've said this for years. When they have, like a pretty clean breakup. I'm like, were they ever really married? Like, I still. I still don't know if Jennifer Aniston and what was her husband's name? I don't remember Jennifer Aniston and not Brad Pitt. The other one, Bradley Coonette. Oh, my God, the brunette one. What is the name? The brown haired one. Oh, my God. Justin. Justin Theroux.

Sloan Hooks (17:49)

Oh, I love that.

Heather McDonald (17:51)

I always wonder if they really got married.

Sloan Hooks (17:53)

Yeah, I mean, it seems like I.

Heather McDonald (17:55)

Guess if you have such a solid prenup, you could end it. But I just wonder if sometimes they kind of agree, like, let's just have our ceremony, have our fun, but not really get married. Because neither of us, like, I don't know. But. So they are not actually married, but they have a child, right?

Sloan Hooks (18:11)

Yep, they do.

Heather McDonald (18:12)

Okay.

Sloan Hooks (18:13)

And they are partners in crime, in my opinion. I mean, they both know how just to cringe everyone to every degree. Katy Perry tried to come out, come back with her new album 143, and it's just like, there's something. Try hard. You know, we're actually in a new era where there are a lot of new pop stars. So then when we see her going on to call her daddy, talking about, like, so good for Lando and these really weird moments, I mean, I know.

Heather McDonald (18:33)

That that was such a cringeable moment when she's just like, I felt like she was coming on, being like, I'm gonna go on like the hippest podcast and talk, come up with like a dumb joke that's like every standup has done, including myself, literally. I had a joke like that in my first special and it just felt really inauthentic. And really, again, like you said, cringy. Try hard. That she's. When he does the dishes, she blows them. And everyone's like, don't you have like a housekeeper? No. Sometimes people don't want a house. And then people fight with you. You know, even if you're rich, sometimes you just don't want anyone at the house. I mean, she just really wanted cleaning. I'm like, oh. And I feel exactly what you said in this video. I don't even think they're boning at all.

Sloan Hooks (19:17)

I mean, did you see. I saw a video clip of her at the chain smokers, like some DJ just looking at him. And when I say she had serpent eyes, like she was trying to get that man.

Heather McDonald (19:25)

Which trying to get the DJ to notice her. Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (19:27)

And Orlando's like a great looking guy. I mean, I just. Not to say I like him, but I don't imagine him with her. She just seems so hard to deal with.

Heather McDonald (19:35)

I saw a video like on TikTok, whatever that someone grabbed and it was before Ben and Jen broke up. And Ben is here and there's some guy, like some fan like behind the thing with a sign. And J. Lo's like. And she gives us like, like sexy look. And they like slowed it down and they're like, no wonder Ben couldn't take it anymore. I'm like, oh my gosh. You know, I don't really think that's the deal. But it was kind of funny to like when you see those things, like, you know what her deal is. But you know, there's a conspiracy theory that she was actually JonBenet.

Sloan Hooks (20:09)

I've. Yep. I've talked about that before and I was so confused. I mean, I low key wish it was true because she did come from that Christian family and all of that.

Heather McDonald (20:16)

And she was like, yeah, it would have.

Sloan Hooks (20:18)

It would be cool. But you know, I think trumpet is gone.

Heather McDonald (20:21)

Yeah, I think so. What do you. Now did you also see that, you know she had that famous moment where she tried to kiss a contestant on American Idol?

Sloan Hooks (20:32)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (20:33)

And now that contestant was just arrested for being in possession of child porn.

Sloan Hooks (20:39)

Okay, now, did this contestant go far? We just know him because he was like assaulted by Gary Perry.

Heather McDonald (20:45)

I want to say that he didn't go that far, but I don't know because I haven't watched American idol in like 20 years.

Sloan Hooks (20:50)

What is going on with the world? It's like, I mean, prior to Diddy, of course, everything was going downhill. But damn, it just sounds like every corner, the contestants, the judges, the CEOs.

Heather McDonald (20:59)

More on that darkness. But first. So what did happen with their real estate? First they tried to get the house from the nuns.

Sloan Hooks (21:06)

Yes. And if you are in Los Feliz. Yes. If you're selling a property right now and Katy Perry wants to go and buy it, just sell it. Just go ahead and sell it. It's not worth your life. She tried to buy the home in. I think it was Hancock park, the church with the nuns. And of course one of those nuns dropped dead in court, which I think it's different to die while they're in a legal battle, but to drop dead in court.

Heather McDonald (21:26)

So. Wait, I don't know that part. Tell me.

Sloan Hooks (21:28)

So she dropped dead in the court.

Heather McDonald (21:29)

So she's in court trying to keep her property.

Sloan Hooks (21:32)

Elderly woman.

Heather McDonald (21:33)

But how is it. Do you know, how is it that they could buy it from them if they weren't selling it?

Sloan Hooks (21:39)

So I think that it was one of those situations where I believe, like it was like a church home. Right. And you know how there's different, like nonprofits write offs. Yeah. I don't know if it maybe did not qualify or something along those lines. So it headed towards like eviction. So people, the community wanted to protect that home. The church wanted to. But you know, Katy Perry saw this structure and she wanted to get it, which is so weird because she. I don't imagine her being the most faithful person. So I don't know why she was so drawn to this home. But resulted in one nun's life. And now they're all kicked out of there.

Heather McDonald (22:08)

They all. They all had to leave. So now she did get the house.

Sloan Hooks (22:11)

She did. And then she also got Carl Westcott's, the Montecito home where he just had surgery the week prior. And he claims he was not in the right mindset and then he died.

Heather McDonald (22:19)

How did that happen? Was it just like some realtor knocked on the door and like offered him a lot of money and he was not in the right. And then signed the papers and then was sick. And then she was like, we're in escrow on this house.

Sloan Hooks (22:29)

You know, that's where I kind of like call BS because I'm kind of like, you know, you don't. I don't. I bought a place before. You don't just sign these documents away. You know, you don't just sign your home. So it must have been like either he made a decision and then probably regretted it. May spoke to his family later. Or what you're alluding to maybe some sneaky realtor who came and kind of conditioned him and prayed him into this signing.

Heather McDonald (22:48)

Yeah. Because the former. The Real Housewife of Dallas, it was her father in law.

Sloan Hooks (22:53)

Yeah. They claimed they were going to move. Like when the suit actually went to court, they're like, yeah, this is going to be our family home and everything. But they actually did a discovery and realized that they were going to use it as a rental home. So it kind of just bad taste in your mouth when you're like, oh, this old man is going to die.

Heather McDonald (23:08)

Did get it, right?

Sloan Hooks (23:09)

Yeah, she got it. She gets it. Yep. So if you are selling and Katie's buying, you better give it up.

Heather McDonald (23:14)

Yeah, you better.

Sloan Hooks (23:15)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (23:16)

Oh, my God. Yeah. And I mean, her latest song was Pretty weird.

Sloan Hooks (23:22)

I actually saw her in concert, like in WeHo. She had like a very small performance and was it good? It was actually. You know, you can't take that one thing away from her. She is a performer.

Heather McDonald (23:31)

No, she's a good performer.

Sloan Hooks (23:32)

She's a little cringe.

Heather McDonald (23:33)

I mean, she has a lot of really great hit songs.

Sloan Hooks (23:35)

Yeah, her personality, it's just like, ugh, gives me like JoJo Siwa, Ellen DeGeneres energy, you know?

Heather McDonald (23:41)

Yes, it is. It's. It's a marriage of both. You're so right. Well, this is breaking news. The New York Post is reporting that the former Abercrombie and Finch CEO Mike Jeffries was arrested Tuesday as part of a sex trafficking investigation. The disgraced fashion giant boss was nabbed in West Palm Beach. And he looks like such a guy to be in West Palm Beach.

Sloan Hooks (24:02)

Right. I lived there and when I saw that I was like, so true.

Heather McDonald (24:05)

Yes. While two of his business associates, Matthew Smith and James Jacobson were also arrested in the case. So I mean, we are aware of the reports and the documentary about how this. All the nefarious, inappropriate things that happened with the young men that they used as models, as salespeople, everything. So the story is to just get a little bit. So he's accused as being a serial sexual predator and was arrested. And he's 80.

Sloan Hooks (24:40)

Geez.

Heather McDonald (24:41)

And all these antics that he's had parties where men came. A hundred men have been abused. This is all part of this lawsuit, I guess too allegedly that 100 have been abused. His romantic partner is this guy, Matthew Smith, who's 61, as well as a business associate. And James Jacobson, who's 71.

Sloan Hooks (25:03)

Previous. I thought it stopped working when you got older. It just. I guess.

Heather McDonald (25:07)

I know, I. Previously described by abusers as a middleman who is missing his nose and covers the spot with a snakeskin patch. According to the BBC, were also arrested in the case. So it's the 80 year old guy, his 61 year old, his 71 year. No, 61 year old boyfriend and his 71 year old partner who doesn't have a nose.

Sloan Hooks (25:31)

Looks like.

Heather McDonald (25:31)

So those three. Imagine those three guys and you're fucking stuck at some disgusting house party and there's no way home.

Sloan Hooks (25:38)

I think Ryan Murphy has some new work, some new project to get into. I mean, first off, Abercrombie and Finch, you had to wear it in high school. It was like when I was, when I was in high school, everyone had the T shirts. It all said Abercrombie and Finch. It Was so basic. Actually, I remember this company got into a lawsuit because they hired an employee and she actually turned out had a prosthetic arm. And they didn't realize until she came in. Cause she wore long sleeve shirts.

Heather McDonald (25:59)

She just worked at the store.

Sloan Hooks (26:00)

No, she did just work at the store. And they fired her because of her prosthetic arm. So she like sued them and ultimately won. But that speaks to how these people look at the world. I mean, this is the brand that built it off of like skinny, white, pretty, and like, you could wear our clothing.

Heather McDonald (26:14)

Yeah, this one guy said that he. So the rest come roughly after a year after the FBI started probing claims that Jeffries allegedly orchestrated elaborate sex events to exploit and sexualize and sexually abuse young male models during his 22 year tenure at the branch. So this went on for a long time. And 12 men alleged that they were lured to events at Jeffrey's upscale New York residence, luxury hotels, also the Hamptons house. And one said that he was forced to, you know, do a sexual thing at the Hamptons house. And he just felt frightened. He didn't know how he was gonna get out of it, how he'd get home. And then all the employees were wearing the shirts, you know, and like. So, like, these employees are probably in on it, knowing, like, I just think it's just so sad because, you know, a young guy comes and he's like, oh, I could be a model or this could lead to even opportunities, whatever. And he's at this fancy house and these guys are probably saying, like, you're not just going to be a model, but, you know, you have such a great brain. You could work in marketing or whatever they say. And then all of a sudden, now you're like trapped there and then you're terrified because it's like this. Not only it's like power, just the same thing that's happening with other Diddy victims. It's powerful people. Who knows what the threats were?

Sloan Hooks (27:43)

A lot of them were international too. Yeah, a lot of them were international. So it's like getting home, it's like I don't even know where I really am, so.

Heather McDonald (27:50)

Right.

Sloan Hooks (27:50)

I wonder like, the fact that it was just probed into like a year ago. I wonder, like, with this Diddy stuff and all of everything else happening, I wonder like, is this part of it? Like, did he like get a hint from doing a. You know, New York was pursuing Diddy initially. So I wonder if they got kind of a hint because it does seem so random for this to come about. Plus, like, what scary man? Like, just, I mean, I don't know if you have the picture of the nose, but like, he's. They're so frightening.

Heather McDonald (28:15)

Oh, do you have a picture of the nose?

Sloan Hooks (28:16)

No, I don't. Do you?

Heather McDonald (28:17)

No.

Sloan Hooks (28:17)

No.

Heather McDonald (28:18)

I don't know. Why do you not have a nose? Is that from just 30 years of coke use or like, why don't you have a nose?

Sloan Hooks (28:24)

Yeah. I cannot understand why, especially because these people definitely have money. They're in West Palm beach, like, go and build yourself a two nose.

Heather McDonald (28:31)

I mean, I think what happens with the, with finally arresting these monsters is, you know, someone comes forward, a journalist gets ahold of their story, then we. There's an article written, a documentary, all while a civil case goes on. And a civil case goes on. And people have validity because they all have similar stories and they have evidence that they came home that night and they told their roommate and they journaled about it and they went to the doctor, whatever it is. And then without, with those civil cases with all that evidence, then that also gets brought to the regular authorities, and that's why they get arrested when these interesting things happen. Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (29:14)

I was just on Instagram, actually, almost.

Heather McDonald (29:16)

Like the civil attorney does the work for the FBI kind of to start it off.

Sloan Hooks (29:19)

Oh, just to build the case.

Heather McDonald (29:21)

Yeah. And then once they're like, okay, then once they have all that stuff.

Sloan Hooks (29:24)

Yeah. I saw one of the victims actually just post on Instagram on the car ride here. He was like, I don't think he knew that this was happening today. He was just kind of like, my phone's blowing up, processing a lot of this and what I had gone through. So I think we're gonna hear a lot more because if he's like making a statement, I'm sure the rest can probably speak about it too.

Heather McDonald (29:39)

Yes. And I think also, you know, with the Menendez brothers, one of the things that someone had said throughout the trial back then and now is that if the two brothers were sisters and they had suffered this kind of abuse, they don't believe that they would have. They believe that that would have been a bigger part of the case and they would have not gotten this sentence like they would have, you know, because they were boys and because it was 90s and they're seeing these at the time, you know, six foot men crying. And especially the second trial, they were older, so they didn't even give them the sweaters and stuff. They put them in suits. They didn't let the, you know, all that evidence come forward. We just as A society had not really shed light. Like, even with the. All the stuff that went on in the Catholic Church, that hadn't really been coming to surface yet of how much abuse happened with girls, but mostly boys. And so I think with this, too, it's like. And with the P. Diddy male victims, it's really sad, but it's really good that, you know, and now these, you know, men can heal.

Sloan Hooks (30:54)

I think that's such a valid take. But, like, part of me just. I automatically think about, like, that devil's advocate. Like, women are always just abused by the media. Imagine two, like, cute girls that just killed their parents. Like, while we might think, oh, yeah, because they were sexually abused, maybe we would have had more graces. But also, like, imagine two rich girls that just killed their parents. I can imagine the media dragging them through.

Heather McDonald (31:12)

Like, we don't know what it could have been.

Sloan Hooks (31:14)

Yeah, it could have been something different.

Heather McDonald (31:15)

It could have been Mary. Yeah. If it was Paris and Nikki Hilton. God forbid. No offense, Kathy and Rick, but if it was them, yeah, I think it's the same type of media story. And also, we don't really believe it. You had boyfriends. You da, da, da. You know, of course, it was a lot of speculation going, and. Because they were rich and privileged and all of that. But the same thing happens when you're poor. Like, you don't even have a good defense attorney. It's like, it's just. Yeah, it's an interesting time of that, you know, but it is true, like, with women, like, I was thinking about it the other day, the difference between men and women forever is that as a girl, no matter how old we get, we are gonna always be inherently afraid. Like, and as a man, that just. There's times where you might be a little fearful and there's times that you. But it's not a daily occurrence where forever you're on high alert when you're walking to your car, when you're, you know, when someone knocks on your door. It's a different kind of thing that will just never be the same. And I think men are starting to understand it more and, you know, the differences. But this, too also is really horrible. Can really happen and can really fuck with you just the same way as when women are predators of younger men. And, you know the jokes of, like, oh, hot for teacher. That. No, like, that. That's gonna fuck up a guy for the rest of his life if his first romantic encounter was with a woman that was 15 years older than he. Like, talk about a weird Manipulation. Same way as if a girl's first thing was with a 30 year old and she's 15. Like it's such an imbalance that it will affect you. And then. Yeah. And then when you think that, I always think it's so sad because you, you go in with this excitement of this is going to lead to a job or to big opportunities. And then when you realize you're just there for someone's sexual gratification, it's like it's a double horrible thing. Because then you tell yourself, like, you're so stupid. This was the only reason they wanted you here. It wasn't because you were talented, it wasn't because you were good looking, it wasn't because you were smart. And that's the worst part when it's like involving a career move, you know, which is the P. Diddy and all that stuff. Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (33:36)

And it's, I mean, it's so scary too with how casual it is. It's not like they're going into a dark dungeon. No, they're going to a beautiful house in the Hamptons in a beautiful neighborhood, like those kind of things.

Heather McDonald (33:44)

And everybody's nice there.

Sloan Hooks (33:45)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (33:46)

So can I get you a glass of water? Oh, dah, dah, dah.

Sloan Hooks (33:48)

Yeah, I can. I just, I feel so bad for the shame they must feel because like, you wouldn't know this. And I mean, now that we're learning more of these stories and even being out in the industry, I mean, I can see that LA is just a rough spot. The industry is a rough place to be in. There's a lot of like selfish people and well, it's always so hard because.

Heather McDonald (34:03)

You'Re supposed to have your, your alert up. Right. But so many opportunities come from a social setting. So now you're in this social setting and I, you know, and if you're gay, you know, there's a lot of, you know, powerful gay men and they invite you to party and it's all on the up and up and it's all can be great. So you're, you know, you're not expecting anything and you're thinking, okay, this is great, oh my God, we can work creatively. And then you possibly find yourself in a position that you don't want to be in.

Sloan Hooks (34:31)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (34:32)

And now you're like, well, if I, if I say anything or whatever now, not only will I lose this opportunity, but I might be completely ousted by the one group of people that I just met in la.

Sloan Hooks (34:43)

Yeah. And it's like you're at a party for, like, four hours. And it's cool. You're like, I'm gonna stay a couple more hours. And then you have no idea what it's gonna become later on. So, yeah, there's, like, definitely the consent has gone out the window when it comes to these type of things.

Heather McDonald (34:54)

I do have to say, though, one thing that I think is so great today is that there is Uber and Lyft. Because back in my day, first of all, there were no. It was, like, impossible to get a cab in la. It just didn't exist. You couldn't just walk out in the street and, like, wave your hand like New York. So you're, like, at someone's house. You don't even know the information for the cab number. And then that's a huge ordeal. And you don't have a cell phone. So there'd be lots of times where we'd be, like, trapped. Or maybe because it wasn't so easy to get home, maybe that's why we didn't go. Like, sometimes you just wouldn't go. Cause you're like, well, how the fuck am I gonna get home from the Hollywood Hills? Yeah. So I'm just not gonna go or I'm not gonna get that drunk. Like, for me, we didn't have. Like, I said, we didn't have that. So I would go out to parties and stuff, but I wouldn't drink because I had to drive my car home.

Sloan Hooks (35:42)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (35:43)

And now I think it's good that we have Uber and Lyft and stuff. But then you also, like, really put your guard down because you're like, oh, I'm not driving. And, oh, I have my phone to call someone.

Sloan Hooks (35:53)

Yeah, well, especially at these parties, too. I mean, they take the phones.

Heather McDonald (35:55)

They take the phone, they take your lifeline.

Sloan Hooks (35:58)

Do you think there's tunnels under the house? I'm sure you've already talked about it.

Heather McDonald (36:00)

But do you think I feel that's something I said? Supposedly they do. And someone, you know, say, yeah, they do. It's been proven so many things I see now. And I, you know, I'm no stranger to the TikTok. I love it. But a lot of the stuff out there, you look at it and you're like, okay, wait, this wasn't from a real article source. This was. This is now someone talking. And you see them for one minute saying something, and then they show all the photos and then you read the comments and they're like, so and so never said this. Yeah, this is some other person's words put in the AI voice of this person. And now you think this person is really profound. But they never spooned off the six things that you should know before leaving college. They never said it. Like, anybody can put anything together, so you really can't look at that stuff as, like, real. And there's been times I believed things to be real, and they're not. So, like, I want to be a little bit more, like, discerning. And I look and I'm like, wait, was this. Is this AI? Is this an AI voice? Did Joe Rogan really say that? I kind of zoom in, and I see his mouth. I mean, he gets the most. They use him the most where they, you know, like, make it.

Sloan Hooks (37:10)

Make them sound good. Like, say good things.

Heather McDonald (37:11)

Like, anything. What the person is pushing or whatever. Like. Like, sometimes they use him as. Just to, like, sell cranberry gummies or whatever.

Sloan Hooks (37:19)

Like a TikTok shop.

Heather McDonald (37:20)

Yeah. Like, he'll be like, have you guys heard about these cranberry gummies? And then the person that explains the cranberry gummies or whatever it is, and then you're like, there's no way that this was. And. And that this guy made his way onto Joe Rogan and this was, you know. Yeah, but they put the video all together, and then, yeah, you're like, okay, I. I'll order these, like, health gummies or whatever it is. So I think there's a lot of things that we have to be a little more, you know, about what we hear. But getting back to the tunnels, that is something that I would think, being a former realtor, we would easily know. There should be plans of when this house was built, that there should be permits and records.

Sloan Hooks (38:00)

I read one old posting for the home that Diddy had purchased when he did purchase it, and it did refer to a tunnel, but the way that it described it kind of gave me the same mindset of, like, you know how the Playboy Mansion has, like, those pool tunnels? Like, it didn't explicitly say, like, a tunnel. It said, like, a grotto kind of tunnel. So, I mean, that's the only reference I saw of tunnels. But one person takes that, and then it's like, we've got articles everywhere of these tunnels.

Heather McDonald (38:21)

Well, it's like the movie US where they had the tunnels, and underneath, there's everyone living. Like, that came from, like, an urban myth thing that I think the writer heard of and was like, what if this was really the case? And, like, kind of came with it. And again, saw another weird interview, like, podcast clip of someone saying, you know, there's tunnels underneath all over la. And that's why you never see a famous person stuck in traffic. I'm like, what this? Come on.

Sloan Hooks (38:48)

I actually do see people sometimes.

Heather McDonald (38:50)

Like, what? Like, where are the tunnels? And then they're like, oh, there's tunnels all over la. And they don't. They.

Sloan Hooks (38:55)

What about earthquakes? Like, this place we have earthquakes. They're going to shake them up.

Heather McDonald (38:58)

I don't believe that to be true.

Sloan Hooks (38:59)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (39:00)

Like, I just know. I don't believe that to be true. Again, that would require, like, thousands of people to keep a secret. And I just don't believe the thousands of people that are. All of a sudden you get anointed by the Illuminati. And now they're like, here.

Sloan Hooks (39:15)

Now there's a whole city under here.

Heather McDonald (39:16)

Here's the map quest for the tunnels. Only you can have this app. So if you ever need to get to the Paramount studio from Calabasas, you.

Sloan Hooks (39:25)

It'll take you 10 minutes down.

Heather McDonald (39:26)

Yeah, yeah. You just go around the oaks and you go down and then there's a tunnel you can drive with. Just you and the Kardashians. I don't believe it.

Sloan Hooks (39:34)

It's kind of sad because it does take away from, like, the real things.

Heather McDonald (39:37)

Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (39:37)

But it's fun to talk about.

Heather McDonald (39:39)

I think it is fun.

Sloan Hooks (39:39)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (39:40)

Okay, now this wasn't so fun.

Sloan Hooks (39:41)

I'm so glad you're talking about this because this is my moment, people. I've been talking about this since 2020, and I'm so glad she's here.

Heather McDonald (39:47)

Her name's Sherry.

Sloan Hooks (39:48)

Sherry. Yep.

Heather McDonald (39:49)

Sherry. Frankie. This is Ruby. Frankie's one of her daughters. And Ruby Frankie, to remind you guys, was the horrible mother that was arrested and is convicted with her friend who they had a podcast together who doesn't about parenting. And their children were discovered because one escaped the house and went to the neighbors and they were starving and they were beaten and there were six kids there.

Sloan Hooks (40:17)

Yep. There's Sherry, Chad, Abby, Julie, Russell and Eve. And Russell and Eve were the ones living at Jody's home. Who was the connections founder?

Heather McDonald (40:26)

The partner.

Sloan Hooks (40:27)

Yeah, the one they did the parenting advice, which is just sick. And they were. Both Eve and Russell were found, you know, duct tape, Valnourish.

Heather McDonald (40:35)

And so just to remind people, before they got caught, the mother got caught and she was separated from her husband at the time of severely starving and abusing her kids. They had a huge presence on YouTube. Now, I was not familiar with them. Can you tell us, like, what their popularity was about?

Sloan Hooks (40:58)

So in early 2020 they had the. Well, actually earlier than that. But in 2020 I started speaking about 8Passengers. A popular YouTube channel which the mother, Ruby and Kevin shared everything about their lives, their kids. You know, going bra shopping. Their first period. Eve, Eve. At six years old, the teacher texts. Ruby says, hey, you know my. Your daughter forgot lunch today. Can you come bring lunch to school? Ruby sitting there watching paint dry on the wall and she's like, no, tell Eve to starve and not to ask anyone else for food. Her six year old daughter who forgot her lunch, she wants her to sit there hungry to teach her a lesson.

Heather McDonald (41:31)

I spoke and then chose to post that video.

Sloan Hooks (41:33)

Oh, post it proudly and defended. And even Chad, I mean her son, I feel so bad for him because she sent him to wilderness camps. When he came back from wilderness camps. Bedroom door taking off. Bathroom door taken off of a 16 year old boy going through puberty. Not only is that. But he's being recorded all the time. No phone. Major.

Heather McDonald (41:50)

Punishments recorded and put for content on content.

Sloan Hooks (41:53)

Yeah, major. It's just. No, there's no privacy within there. So I saw that online and people are. Back then I was really advocating against family channels because a lot of these family channels, especially back then, they had this theme of the kid getting injured somehow. And then there's this crazy thumbnail with the blood kind of blurred and they're my kid, so violent. And a lot of my fellow creator friends were like, this needs to stop.

Heather McDonald (42:15)

So we started making clickbait.

Sloan Hooks (42:17)

Clickbait. But also it wasn't because the kid was like bleeding and hurt. Like they would actually film these moments where it's like I remember one family where they were out by the trampoline and the kid was just screaming and the dad was like, get the camera, get the camera. Like minutes before they even go out to see why the kid was screaming. So that's kind of how this family.

Heather McDonald (42:33)

Channel just really acting like almost like a reality producer that when even if they're not filming, they hear two housewives screaming and then you see them running to capture it.

Sloan Hooks (42:43)

Yeah. Not to save their baby, just to go.

Heather McDonald (42:44)

It's their actual child. That is so. But that is what was their income.

Sloan Hooks (42:49)

Yep. So I made videos about her neglecting them, abusing them. Things that I all stand by. And she was actually my first cease and desist letter I ever got.

Heather McDonald (42:57)

Who was? Ruby.

Sloan Hooks (42:57)

Ruby Frank. Yep. They sent them, sent one to me and actually let me.

Heather McDonald (43:02)

Here it is.

Sloan Hooks (43:02)

Yep. Yeah. So I got this from them and they actually, at the end of it, he was like, go forward at your.

Heather McDonald (43:08)

So they sent you a cease and desist because you spoke in a video saying what?

Sloan Hooks (43:14)

That they were neglecting, starving, abusing. And this was back in 2020. You know what? Every time I get a cease to sist letter, I'm going to start making a documentary because now they've got a movie coming out, Mormon Mom Gone Wrong, which Sherry's speaking out against. But, yeah, they were up to no good. And I knew it. I talked about on Internet, Daughter is.

Heather McDonald (43:32)

Speaking out about the documentary.

Sloan Hooks (43:33)

Documentary. And speaking to lawmakers. We saw that screenshot.

Heather McDonald (43:37)

Why is she against the documentary?

Sloan Hooks (43:38)

Well, it's. They never. No one asked him for permission. It's kind of like a retelling.

Heather McDonald (43:42)

Oh, it's like a. It's like you're getting Lifetime exposed again.

Sloan Hooks (43:46)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (43:46)

Oh, it's a Lifetime movie.

Sloan Hooks (43:47)

It's kind of like, I don't know if Lifetime's doing it, but it's that kind of esque. They're trying to probe it as, like, I don't know if they're not speaking to anyone there.

Heather McDonald (43:54)

It's probably a scripted show.

Sloan Hooks (43:56)

Well, it's a scripted movie. Maybe, like, I could see it.

Heather McDonald (43:58)

I could see it like, as a Lifetime movie. Maybe you're right. And no, she's not going to want to see her life dramatized again. You know, it's just like anybody that's a victim of a crime, you know, we never think about, you know, oh, it's a mistrial. Now we have to go through the second trial. That's a whole nother thing for that person to relive the day that their child was murdered. Because, you know, all we have to do another trial for the guy on trial, then when he goes to prison every seven years, that you have to go sit in front of the board and be like, this is why the Pearson shouldn't get out. So I can see for this.

Sloan Hooks (44:30)

It's very scary.

Heather McDonald (44:31)

I don't want to see the. I don't want to be driving down Ventura Boulevard and see the poster for Mormon Mom Gone bad or wherever she lives or whatever it is. Like, we have to think about why that would be hard. But at the same time, it was a huge news story and we want to see this stuff. So it's like, this is, you know, this is why we watch the Menendez brothers. This is why we talk about it here. Yeah, but.

Sloan Hooks (44:52)

And the Mormons are fascinating. I mean, they're capturing everybody's attention. I think Sherry just, like, she's never had a chance to figure out who she is.

Heather McDonald (44:59)

How old is this girl now, Sherry?

Sloan Hooks (45:00)

I want to say she's 19, 20. Around that age. 20, 21. She's been in college for a couple years. She's the eldest, so her brother. What's his name again? Chad. So Chad's been living with the father from my understanding. So the family's pretty split up, and the two abused children, I believe, are still in state custody. I know Ruby's sister was trying to get the children, but because Ruby's also. Ruby's sister is also a family vlogger. It's still family vlogger. Her name's Bonnie Holm, but that's her sister. They look just alike in the face, too.

Heather McDonald (45:28)

The horrible mother's sister also did it.

Sloan Hooks (45:30)

So I think she tried. No, she's trying to take those two abused kids away.

Heather McDonald (45:33)

But, oh, she's still family blogging.

Sloan Hooks (45:36)

Yeah. Yeah.

Heather McDonald (45:37)

And wasn't one of this. Wasn't one of the sisters the one that sort of was kind of tally on her sister?

Sloan Hooks (45:44)

She was like, they. They did have a falling out, and there was something going on that she was alluding to. It's because that Jody woman definitely brainwashed Ruby. Ruby's not a victim, but, you know, Jody's messed up. That's why she's abusing these kids. So I do think that, like, Bonnie was isolated away from Ruby due to, like, Jody's control over Ruby.

Heather McDonald (46:01)

Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (46:02)

But I don't think Bonnie's very innocent either. And honestly, I'm looking at all the Mormon creators over there in Utah a little bit differently because we've seen it, like, it's such a huge wave in the last, like, two years of, like, with the Hulu show of these bloggers.

Heather McDonald (46:15)

And so I've spoken a lot about it, too, in that, you know, there's laws that didn't exist in the beginning of a film for children actors. And then because sometimes their parents, whether it was like, you know, the Little Rascals or things like that, would take all their money. And then here would this be this person, 22 years old, not able to work anymore because they're so known as little Joey in the sitcom. But all their money has been taken by the alcoholic parents. So there's the Coogan Law, which protects them, where a parent can only take. It's either 10 or 15% as a manager fee, which I oftentimes think certainly a parent deserves that. If you're a stage mom or stage dad and your kid really is, you know, busy on a show, we need a Parent on set. We don't want you having some other job. So I do believe there's, you know, they should have a salary and they should be able to have that be their main thing while protecting their kids money, which can also maybe not be enough to support all five kids, but you gotta protect it a little bit. Hence, you know, maybe Amanda Bynes felt like that was somewhat being abused. We know that jojo Siwa, because she was on a reality show, didn't have that kind of protection and there were, you know, and then she had all those products and by having all the products that's not protected. But she still has a good situation with her family. But I know there was a time where she maybe spoke about how she was, you know, responsible for the mortgage payment. I don't know. So I know there's a lot there.

Sloan Hooks (47:52)

But her mom is definitely the Mastermind behind the JoJo Siwa brand and everything and the reality show and everything. She's doing her music career. Every time I look up some type of llc, I always see her mom's name there. So her mom's on lock when it comes down to it. But I also think that her mom is partially responsible. Like she's responsible for what JoJo's out.

Heather McDonald (48:07)

Hopefully. They seem to have a pretty good right now. I mean she's 19. I think JoJo Siwa is doing great. I think it's brilliant what she's doing and fun and like go for it and so. But with her and with other people. Yeah, it's the, you know, she got her period and look at this one crying. And I see it sometimes and thank God people in the comments are like, why don't you put down your phone and stop filming your kid having a tantrum? And it is so you don't you think with your 30 year old brain, like what 2 year old doesn't have a tantrum? Why my kid will never care. But if the kid is 6 or 10 or 7 and then that tantrum video that maybe went viral, the class sees it. It is embarrassing. It is. Cause it's like you are a cry. We're not understanding it. They don't have the maturity of realizing, well, of course I cried it too. Yeah, they're not. And they're not getting what she said. They're not. There's no permission, there's no. We don't. They don't have the right to say see me. And then of course there's the whole.

Sloan Hooks (49:14)

Element and they're recognized or known.

Heather McDonald (49:17)

Yes, recognize people walking up to them, I recognize you. And you know, and the creepiness of then when someone has a little precocious girl all over their tick tock and there's, you know, 18. She has, you know, 18 million followers. I'm like, so are all 18 million just women that just love little toddlers that are just like, oh, I hope I have a daughter as cute as yours?

Sloan Hooks (49:44)

No.

Heather McDonald (49:44)

No. And then you see how many times certain videos like a little two year.

Sloan Hooks (49:48)

Old like saved or something or shared, eating a popsicle.

Heather McDonald (49:51)

And then there are certain moms that like, they know that and they purposely go, let's give it to, let's have her eat her first popsicle.

Sloan Hooks (50:00)

It's disturbing.

Heather McDonald (50:00)

And they show that video and it's like, cause that girl knows it's gonna get this many views, which then I can profit some other way.

Sloan Hooks (50:08)

Yeah, I read a phrase called sharing. Sharing. That's actually what Bobby Antoff said, that she was like, I'm stopping. Cause she built her career. Now these two pictures in our. The one on the right, this is.

Heather McDonald (50:19)

Bobby, who has a very popular podcast.

Sloan Hooks (50:21)

What do you think of her as a comedian? I know she's a different kind of style, kind of more dry. What do you, what do you.

Heather McDonald (50:29)

I mean, I think it's brilliant that she is where she is. She, she again was one of those, you know, pandemic girls that popped. And I remember seeing a video where she was like, this is my husband and this is the way we kiss. She did this really awkward kiss and said how they like, you know, slept on different floors, whatever.

Sloan Hooks (50:50)

I'm surprised. They split up.

Heather McDonald (50:51)

They got divorced. So I was like, okay, at least you're telling the truth.

Sloan Hooks (50:54)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (50:55)

And she's a young mom and has three kids. But I think like, everyone can have a different journey to being famous in this business. The business is very different than what it was five years ago, you know, so it's like there's no like, oh, you've got to do it this way to be funny. So at first I was kind of like, I don't get it. I don't get why this is something that you want to listen to for an hour. The weird shtick.

Sloan Hooks (51:22)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (51:22)

And then I almost thought it was like she was doing this like Andy Kaufman weird thing. And then when she did an interview where she was like, well, it's an act. And then I was like, okay, well now either two things are gonna happen. You're gonna stop doing the act and you're gonna be able to parlay because you're actually like kind of smart and fun or it's gonna die. And it seems like it's continuing. Okay.

Sloan Hooks (51:44)

Yeah. No, it seems like she kind of built a niche out for her. A lot of people were kind of. I think part of her come up was that people didn't understand. They were just so confused at like, why is she kind of being disinterested and she doesn't know anyone anything about her guests and.

Heather McDonald (51:57)

But, but it wasn't like an original comedy bit. It was like, you know, she was basically doing like between two ferns and like she was doing. But what's interesting is when I, and I saw it one time on like America's Got Talent, these two guys came out and they're doing something and like my sons thought it was really funny and I'm like, that was a bit on In Living Color. Yeah, it was the exact same bit they did on Living and they're like, what? So what's kind of smart is like if you are trying to do some weird thing on the, you know, on TikTok or whatever, you could probably, you know, recycle some ideas, research some old thing and to the, to the 15 year old home. They're not, they're not going to know that it's like not that original and they're not going to care if it makes them laugh. It makes them laugh, you know. And so, yeah, I think she's had some really moments now. Her little bit with JoJo Siwa I did think was really good.

Sloan Hooks (52:53)

It was funny.

Heather McDonald (52:53)

Yeah, I thought it was really good. And she's like, so why have the car still wrapped? And so I don't know. She's still doing the kind of clueless thing or is she?

Sloan Hooks (53:04)

Yeah, she's. I think it all depends on who she's paired with sometimes how it reads like she just needs someone who's an extreme character because Bobby then almost comes off relatable because it's like that's how I'd be acting too, around JoJo Siwa. Kind of like, oh, why are you doing this? I mean, so when I, when we're talking about the like Frank Frankie family, I was just like, who has been outspoken. So she's literally, I found two and I, yeah. Online. She's one of the ones that's like, yeah, I stopped sharing my kids and she doesn't need to. She's done that.

Heather McDonald (53:31)

That's the other thing, you know, that's a luxury too. So it's like in all the criticism, I don't know what it's like to all of a sudden have a really happy family, everybody's fine, nothing creepy's happened to you. You guys are making 20,000amonth. And this way you can stay at home, you can make homemade meals with your kids because you're doing it while you film it. And now you're hearing us talk about it on Juicy Scoop, that you shouldn't do your kids. And you know, if you don't have the kids, it just maybe not won't be as fun as of you just making the pancakes or editing them out. And so like, I get it. I just don't think you should even start going down the path if you're a young mom, don't start it.

Sloan Hooks (54:13)

Yep. There's no solution for it. I mean, of course people wanna record their children, but it's different than when you build a career or an identity even. Bobby was quote saying that she just did not want to establish a digital footprint for her kids. Especially with someone who, like, you know, she's likable now, who knows what's gonna happen in the future. And she is such an interesting personality that like, I agree with her. I wouldn't want these kids to have to be known as Bobby's mom and then go to school. And like, I like what you're saying too. You have to keep in mind, like these kids, their peers are viewing it, think about it like from a 10 year old's perspective, they don't know better. They're gonna judge and laugh at them.

Heather McDonald (54:45)

So, and I also say it as like, you know, there's times where your kid loves doing gymnastics. They wanna do gymnastics every day. They love it, love it, love it. And then maybe at 12, they're like, I don't wanna do it anymore. And you're like, but you love gymnastics. Yeah, but I don't love it anymore.

Sloan Hooks (54:59)

But we have to do the videos for the followers and all that.

Heather McDonald (55:02)

Yeah, but it's the same thing with the videos. Like they might really into it. They might have loved it when you started with them at 4, they might have been like, I want to do a sassy video, mommy. You know, but then when they're eight, they're like, I don't want to, I don't want you filming me. And they, so it's like kids have a right to, to change, you know, like they didn't sign a 10 year contract with you to be your subject. And I think, you know, and it's, it can be so great. I mean, I was just like, wow, I wish you Know, I wish I could go back on my Instagram and, you know, from 15 years ago when it didn't exist, and see, like, my kids when they were little and stuff like that. Like, it is wonderful. I get it. But it's a matter of, like, posting. Like, you can do it, keep it in your phone, put it on, whatever. But, yeah, so that's interesting. And then you said somebody else.

Sloan Hooks (55:50)

Yeah, not much to add on her, but her name's Maya Knight. She just had an interesting take in 2022. She just said that her followers became entitled to her own children and that they were taking pictures of her in public and her kids. So just unsolicited, taking photos of her kids and then posting them on social media. Which is why I actually took a look at her page. And, I mean, you could see the kids in the actual, like, profile picture, the backs of them. But other than that, she's literally. These two are the only ones. I even went through ChatGPT. I was like, please go through every. Who's any influencer, actress, or anyone right now that's, like, relevant and.

Heather McDonald (56:22)

But the person that would take a photo of someone in the wild, and it's like, I just saw, like, five people post a video of Annie Cohen rocking out by himself at, you know, at Grateful Dead, which I'm sure he's fine with. But it's the same thing, whether it's Andy Cohen or the cute family. And you're like, oh, my God, my sister would die. I just gotta film them at getting ice cream to show my sister. Like, I don't think that the fan necessarily thinks they're doing anything, like, you know, nefarious or horrible or, like, trying to ruin this kid's life. But that's what it is. It's just like, if your kid. I mean, people watch TikTok just as much as our generation watch TV. So it's just like, if your child was on a Disney show, they're gonna be approached and seen just as much. You probably are getting more views than if you were. If your kid was on a Disney show. At this point, you know, I think.

Sloan Hooks (57:19)

She kind of got it too. Cause she, like, understood, oh, the way to stop this is I just cannot post my children. So she's one of the only ones, I guess, really got it. Because she understood, like, yeah, people are going to take pictures no matter what. You can't go and just call them creeps or blame them. Because we're in this world where people are fascinated with each other. Kind of reminds me of like, Chapel Road, like, how she was complaining about people, like, coming up and taking pictures. It's like, well, I mean, then you're going on stage in front of hundreds of thousands of people. People are going to want to.

Heather McDonald (57:43)

I think sometimes people just aren't used to it, though. They aren't used to it. They don't anticipate what that's like. And then it's just kind of like you're never really off. And so it can be, you know, a hard adjustment, you know. Kim Kardashian is pretty much a single mom, according to a source telling people to her four kids. And she just turned 44. And she turned 44. Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (58:10)

So she was 42, I think.

Heather McDonald (58:12)

44.

Sloan Hooks (58:12)

Oh, that makes a difference. I mean, jumping like two years difference.

Heather McDonald (58:14)

Here is. This is why she's a single mom, because Kanye and Bianca are still going strong. And here's a photo of Kanye in Tokyo. They spent a lot of time in Tokyo, and Bianca, you know, needed some attention. She's just wearing sheer nylons with G string underwear underneath. Does she even have a top?

Sloan Hooks (58:33)

What's that thing hanging. Is that like a little tail on the back of that? Do you see that little strap?

Heather McDonald (58:37)

I don't know. But does she even have a top on? She might just be completely topless.

Sloan Hooks (58:41)

It's. I don't. Maybe the laws. I mean, I'm surprised she hasn't gotten in trouble for being nude in public in America. I don't know if it's different over there in Tokyo, but this just looks uncomfortable. She looks lost. I don't know what this whole Australian trip she had the last few weeks was because typically when they break up, she goes to Australia, and this time was the first time they went around saying that they were single. So maybe this is her, like, make up with me kind of fit. This is her way to try to get him back.

Heather McDonald (59:08)

I. I don't know what her intention is with this weirdness.

Sloan Hooks (59:12)

What's your theory about her, like, I.

Heather McDonald (59:13)

Mean, my original theory was that she was in on it. She was getting paid a salary. She's like, what Julia Fox could have been like that. Not screwing. Nothing. Just be with me. Be famous.

Sloan Hooks (59:29)

Almost her.

Heather McDonald (59:30)

Like, his beard, like, I don't know, like, be fake. Yeah. Maybe be famous. I'm going to make you famous. You're going to do what I say. You're going to go to these things and then, you know, I'll pay you so much a month and so much at the end of it. I don't Know, but now I'm kind of like, it's gone on so long. And the whole thing with this latest lawsuit of this girl saying that, like, he, you know, was sexting, you know.

Sloan Hooks (59:56)

Weird, wants to, like, F her mom. And then he also, like, bragged about how he, like, stepped the toxicity of their relationship up a level. Like, he's like his assistant. Like, oh, I just asked to, like, F her mom. And for her to watch. Now our toxic toxicity is up to a new height.

Heather McDonald (60:11)

Oh, that's what he said. Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (60:12)

And that same kind of message. So it's like, I think he thrives. All this chaos. I mean, clearly, with this LLC and everything he does, it's chaotic. So if it is real, it's a total mess. I still can't get over that she got power of attorney over his estate when they got married to me.

Heather McDonald (60:26)

Knock it.

Sloan Hooks (60:27)

Yeah, when they got married, she got powerful.

Heather McDonald (60:28)

Oh, now this makes sense. I did not realize that when they filed.

Sloan Hooks (60:31)

I mean, their wedding, that was like, really?

Heather McDonald (60:33)

I mean, so are they really married or. We still don't know.

Sloan Hooks (60:36)

The paperwork is like. Is what we found is, like, December 2020. 2022. Was it just then? I mean, they've been together for a minute now. Huh.

Heather McDonald (60:44)

That's why I'm like, I don't know what this is. And then when she's with the kids, she's got, you know, normal clothes on. And everyone that meets her says she's lovely. And I'm sure she is lovely. The night I met Britney Spears, they were there at the same place.

Sloan Hooks (60:57)

Did you meet them, too?

Heather McDonald (60:58)

No, I didn't.

Sloan Hooks (60:59)

Wait, that's. Where were you?

Heather McDonald (61:01)

Chateau Bermond.

Sloan Hooks (61:02)

I wanna go there someday. Wait, do you have to be, like, a celebrity to go there, though?

Heather McDonald (61:05)

I don't know what the deal is. They're not. Apparently they weren't happy that I mentioned the name Chateau Marmont. And I was like, don't. And I was like, then don't invite me. To the person who told me, I'm like, I don't need to go back then. I don't really care.

Sloan Hooks (61:15)

But that's annoying, though, too. Like, people are gonna be spotted there. It's not like you're spilling some secret.

Heather McDonald (61:21)

I mean, I don't know. So anyway, now I feel like. Yeah. And then the way that she was dealing with the person that was fixing the Malibu home before they sold it all. So maybe there. Maybe there is something. But maybe I hope that she's in on it. I hope that she's not a complete. You Know, victim of a cult leader. I hope that she is part of this. She's a willing person. She's down for it. She's making tons of money every month that she stays with him. I don't know.

Sloan Hooks (61:56)

Yeah, I mean, I do think that she. I would like to think that she's operating in some level of consciousness, but I do think she's somewhat delusional, too. I interviewed this person. They run a page called Kanye's post. She wears a green wig and a green, like, suit, and she came over to my house whenever Kanye and Bianca were going through it, and she was actually texting Bianca, and she's been really in the mix of it when it comes to Milo, the guy that he used to be his chief of staff and that resigned over the Uz. P O, R N. What's P. Oh, sorry. I'm so YouTube coded. I was actually watching your podcast earlier. I was like, oh, she says everything.

Heather McDonald (62:29)

Probably why I. It's probably. Yeah, it is a problem that I do, but I'm like, whatever. Okay, go on.

Sloan Hooks (62:37)

So, I mean, she. I don't even know. I lost my track record.

Heather McDonald (62:40)

No, you're talking about. You had the mile.

Sloan Hooks (62:42)

Oh, yeah, yeah. So she. I mean, the way that she was texting this person, she, like, there's a way that they speak about Kanye and they have to Don defy everything. So she was, like, a big part of Don defying her and Milo.

Heather McDonald (62:53)

So what's Don defying me?

Sloan Hooks (62:54)

So anytime that Kanye is texting someone, you have to text in a certain way, and if you do not, then you just cannot communicate.

Heather McDonald (63:01)

What kind of a way?

Sloan Hooks (63:01)

It's, like, very straightforward. Yes. No. Like, I remember one request he made was like, can you please get this done? This person's like, I've been awake for, like, 26 hours. He's, like, not acceptable. Like, and then essentially, you run your communications through Milo or Bianca so they could dandify it and then pass along to him because there's only one certain way that he could communicate.

Heather McDonald (63:21)

Okay, got it. Yeah. That's that she was the person, the liaison between the guy fixing the Malibu house that they eventually sold, where he was, like, destroying this beautiful piece of architecture.

Sloan Hooks (63:33)

And, you know, and supposedly the security guard that was hired there for 30 an hour has not been paid for securing the property last year. Yeah, he filed a suit recently.

Heather McDonald (63:42)

Oh, really?

Sloan Hooks (63:43)

Yeah. There's so many suits that Connie's involved with. Like, I don't know what happens when there's these celebrities that have so many lawsuits. Is he just settling all the time. Because I keep track of every lawsuit that's, like, pretty much filed against celebrities, and a lot of times they just are gone. So it must be, like, a settlement or these people can't afford to go after him.

Heather McDonald (63:58)

I mean, I'm sure it just goes straight to the lawyer, and they either write to the other, you know, kind of a lawyer, and like, okay, what do we want? What do you want to do? Or good luck. And then the attorney. If it's not a quick settlement, that attorney then probably drops representing the person, because it's probably not. It's probably frivolous.

Sloan Hooks (64:16)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (64:16)

And I mean, I think that assistant's gonna have a hard time. I really do.

Sloan Hooks (64:20)

Oh, I know. I mean, that's why she's running to the press.

Heather McDonald (64:22)

I don't think that's gonna be, like, a slam dunk.

Sloan Hooks (64:24)

Yeah. People aren't loving it. It's not being received well. Like, even when I covered it, too, it's not, you know, people aren't running to the rooftops to, like, defend this woman. Right. Did you see in his statement about her at the end of it, they said that this is not the first time that I think her name's Laura has gone after a celebrity. Jay Leno is also suing her for stealing his chin. That's how they ended their statement. I was like, what the hell? This lawyer's so messy. I guess she's got a big jaw.

Heather McDonald (64:49)

Oh, my God. Poor girl. No one trying to get in the fun. Okay? This is Lenny Kravitz, and this is a controversial subject.

Sloan Hooks (64:57)

Very woke of him.

Heather McDonald (64:59)

He's just, like, wearing very strange clothes. It's not the Lenny Kravitz I do. And he's become very thirsty in a way. He's wearing a halter top. Like a Definitely. Not that it's fine. You can wear a woman's top, but it's like a. Like a. Like a sexy bathless top as he's singing. And I just have been noticing this lately, and I just want to put it out there. If anyone else has noticed that he's becoming just real, Real thirsty. Real. In his Instagram post, I saw one where he was like. Like, took a photo of himself, and he was like. He had a towel around him, and it was just like. It felt very like Lisa Rinna, like, Like, oh, my God, I look damn good at this age. And then, like, I zoomed in. I could tell he was clearly sucking in his stomach, which. He has a great body. He looks amazing. And I do Love his music. But I just wondered if anyone else has noticed the, the evolution of Lenny Kravitz thirst.

Sloan Hooks (65:56)

I mean, he's gotta be feeling himself. I'm wondering if he's like, is he Ozempic? I mean, he's never was like big.

Heather McDonald (66:01)

But you know, he's never heavy or.

Sloan Hooks (66:02)

He'S feeling himself differently. I don't know if this is maybe, you know, he's trying to get in with the, you know, the gender fluid type of crowd, maybe trying to stay young in a way.

Heather McDonald (66:14)

It definitely, I mean, he never takes off the sunglasses, so who knows? The eyes might scream 60, but the rest of him looks very, very young and fit. I just, I just wanted to just put it out there and see. Okay, you brought me this juicy scoop.

Sloan Hooks (66:28)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (66:28)

So tell me about it.

Sloan Hooks (66:29)

Selena Gomez is actually doing a movie titled Emilia Perez and she's got her co star right over here on the side. Edgar Ramirez, handsome looking guy. They were actually at the Sabrina Carpenter concert where they were dancing, you know, rather intensely. I mean, that's the happiest I've seen Selena Gomez in years. Look at her. And he's handsome. So when we saw these clips, it was questionable because looking at her boyfriend, Benny Blanco from the previous slide, she has been lusting over him for months now. So it's like a little bit weird to see her with another guy. Especially because he's so much more handsome than her boyfriend. I didn't.

Heather McDonald (67:06)

In your opinion?

Sloan Hooks (67:07)

I think so. But in a lot of others.

Heather McDonald (67:10)

So here's the boyfriend. Benny's the songwriter.

Sloan Hooks (67:13)

Geez.

Heather McDonald (67:13)

And this guy is the director or the actor.

Sloan Hooks (67:15)

He's another actor within it. And you know a lot of people. I don't know much about Edgar, I don't know if you know him, but all my comments said he was gay. And then people were fighting saying, no, he's not gay. So, I mean, if she's throwing it back on a gay best friend, I can get it. That could be.

Heather McDonald (67:27)

That could be.

Sloan Hooks (67:27)

But on Google there's no rep, you know, there's no record of this. So Selena then went to dinner yesterday.

Heather McDonald (67:33)

He's not registered as a cast.

Sloan Hooks (67:34)

He's not ready. In my own catalog, I don't see him.

Heather McDonald (67:36)

You have to register, okay. You have to register at a certain point.

Sloan Hooks (67:39)

Yeah, he's not in my book. But on the 21st, I think that would be yesterday. They were spotted together having dinner together. And I guess this was Selena's way of kind of clearing up that, no, she's not hooking up with this guy. Maybe she's hooking up with both. Because, I mean, look at that last picture. There's like, all three of them.

Heather McDonald (67:55)

What do you think about 50 Cent? And he is just defending his decision to publicly speak out about Sean. Supposedly he's got this documentary coming out.

Sloan Hooks (68:06)

Yeah. Great documentary going through. Netflix purchased it. I mean, he's been talking about this for a long time. And when he was talking about it, like, over a year ago, I thought he was bluffing. But then we saw the Netflix purchase.

Heather McDonald (68:16)

What was he saying?

Sloan Hooks (68:17)

A year ago, he was just. I mean, he's always hated Diddy, but he was going on saying that he's gonna. He's got victims coming forward. It was around. So, you know, it was about a year since Cassie had filed her lawsuit. So this was kind of around the time where he was posting that he's doing a Diddy documentary. He's gonna expose everything. I wanna say it was probably like December last year. It was very vague. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't allude to, like, new victims coming forward or anything. Just that it's going to be all of it. Granted. Now we know so much more about what Diddy was involved in. So I'm questioning, like, what is going to be new in this?

Heather McDonald (68:49)

We still don't know anybody else?

Sloan Hooks (68:51)

Well, the law.

Heather McDonald (68:52)

There's rumors that people are paying off.

Sloan Hooks (68:55)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (68:55)

That might be mentioned. But I'm. I'm like, well, we still don't have one other name.

Sloan Hooks (68:59)

Well, Denzel Washington is one I've heard, but that's only. That's. I've heard that from.

Heather McDonald (69:03)

That he's paid it off.

Sloan Hooks (69:04)

No, no, no. From. As a. As an accomplice with.

Heather McDonald (69:08)

Oh, allegedly.

Sloan Hooks (69:09)

From Ally Carter. Just. That's where my information is coming from.

Heather McDonald (69:11)

And Ally Carter is this girl. She's done a lot of videos.

Sloan Hooks (69:14)

Okay, so what do you think about her? Because I don't know how. I don't know what to think.

Heather McDonald (69:18)

I don't know about. I mean, the Jaguar, Right. I talked a lot about. I feel like either she hasn't done any new videos or they're definitely not showing up in my feed like they used to.

Sloan Hooks (69:28)

She's been gone for like four or five days or six days. I haven't seen anything on Instagram.

Heather McDonald (69:33)

Yeah, you're right.

Sloan Hooks (69:34)

I've been trying to reach out to her. Yeah. So I don't know. Goosebumps.

Heather McDonald (69:38)

Yeah. And, well, you know, a Pierce got the cease and desist. Pierce Morgan. So then that happened. This girl, Ally Carter. I didn't really talk about her that much, but people say there's evidence of her being in a music video that she said, I was trafficked. I was a victim of the Riverside Social Services Child Protective. What do you call it? Cps.

Sloan Hooks (70:02)

Cps.

Heather McDonald (70:05)

I don't know. I mean, when she. She speaks, I mean, it.

Sloan Hooks (70:09)

It's just so, like, it's. It's still all this information so hard to. Can, like, to understand. So then hearing her speak about this, like, I don't know, part of me just goes to right where conspiracy theorists. Is she just mentally unwell? I don't really know. But then I'm like, wait, damn, these lawsuits are being filed.

Heather McDonald (70:23)

It probably happened. I mean, it probably all happened. And, you know, but the. The Jaguar Wright stuff did become comical. And it was, you know, a lot of people doing the impression of just being like, why do you think Aaliyah didn't pack her shoes?

Sloan Hooks (70:45)

Saying. Saying a lot of stuff without saying nothing.

Heather McDonald (70:47)

Yeah, a lot of things. It was like, everybody knows. Everybody knows. You know, like, that kind of thing. And then there were some really, like, funny videos about, like, you know, and she even posted one that was like, a funny parody about, like, her talking about Sesame street or something. Someone doing her talking about Sesame Street. So I'm like, okay, so she gets.

Sloan Hooks (71:05)

The humor, but, like, yeah, it makes it harder to take her seriously. If you're. If.

Heather McDonald (71:10)

But, I mean, it is interesting that she has never been sued.

Sloan Hooks (71:13)

Well, maybe now, because, I mean, the Pierce thing, this just happened. And then the fact that she's gone silent on a page that she's pretty often posting on.

Heather McDonald (71:20)

I wonder if she has been Sue.

Sloan Hooks (71:21)

You know, good luck to Jaguar. Right?

Heather McDonald (71:24)

Yeah.

Sloan Hooks (71:24)

I mean, I can't imagine going against the Carters.

Heather McDonald (71:27)

Yeah. Now we need to make sure she's okay.

Sloan Hooks (71:29)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (71:31)

Well, speaking of which, what did you think of the whole Beyonce thinking? Beyonce.

Sloan Hooks (71:35)

Oh, I'm actually looking into that. And I found so many more records and what's even going viral. It's crazy.

Heather McDonald (71:41)

There's so many more people.

Sloan Hooks (71:43)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (71:44)

Not just singers that are. Have thanked beyond Beyonce down to Oprah. Oprah mentioning Beyonce. I saw that. Yeah. There was a video that someone put another, like, 12 people, where it's so awkward. Like, it makes no sense. It's like if all of a sudden I got up there and was receiving an award and I thanked Beyonce.

Sloan Hooks (72:06)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (72:06)

And you'd be like, heather, I know you like our song, but, like, you were not listening to it every day before you went out and did a Stand up, set. Like, it's weird.

Sloan Hooks (72:14)

It is weird. And it's sometimes not even in award things. It's just, like, so many mentions of her in so many different capacities, which. I get it. She's like, broken barriers as a black woman. She means a lot to society. But there's something very odd because, like, I know plenty of people who, like, know Beyonce, but then aren't fans of her. And how is every celebrity in power?

Heather McDonald (72:32)

Does that mean that, like, you're told by somebody, hey, you're up for this award if you win it, you gotta thank Beyonce. And then you go, why? And they say otherwise it'll be horrible for your career and you could be killed. So just thank Beyonce because Jay Z doesn't want to go home with her in the car if she wasn't thanked three times. So they are the king and queen. Follow the rules. Like, it does feel very much like olden days with, like, the king. Don't piss off the. You know, that you're the court jester and just, like, keep these people happy. I don't know, but it is. It is too many people. It is. It is weird. It is fucking weird.

Sloan Hooks (73:16)

Well, not to be a conspiracy theorist, too, but, like, I mean, part of me, I think about, like, the evil side and, like, what if there is this evil Illuminati world? Like, again, maybe not the Illuminati, but, like, maybe they're all just so scared of her. Maybe she is the queen. And they're like, if you have the chance, you think you're queen because they know in this spiritual world that we're all protected from because we haven't sold our souls, that there is some demise. That's, again, a conspiracy theory.

Heather McDonald (73:38)

Not about, like, her coming to kill you. And it really just was something that was, like, among the people that would then, you know, tell their client or tell somebody. Like, listen, you're going to get up there. You only have that much time. But think about it. She has been really great. She really. She wants to work with you. Oh, you know, what. What if it was like that maybe. What if it was like, she wants to work with you on an album? I suggest, strongly suggest you just make sure that you thank her at some point.

Sloan Hooks (74:07)

It's so weird. Like, these people have never thought about Beyonce and their life, and they're getting the best, I don't know, biggest award they've ever gotten. They're like, yeah, make sure you thank Beyonce. It seems so awkward. I mean, maybe there's, like a stat to it where You. If you think or you automatically go 10 points up.

Heather McDonald (74:21)

And, like, this video saw had, like, three people. And I did. I still think the Adele one was so weird.

Sloan Hooks (74:26)

It was weird.

Heather McDonald (74:27)

It was just her just, like, being like, I want to break this in half and everything. To me, if I didn't hear you, I didn't know how I was going to wake up tomorrow. It was strange, and it felt like a fearness. Like, not.

Sloan Hooks (74:40)

It did not feel like a happy moment.

Heather McDonald (74:41)

No, it felt like a fearful. The Lizzo thing was too much. But the Lizzo scene, you could maybe understand because Lizzo is in the same genre of a Beyonce. And, you know, she's a black woman too, so I could see that being inspiration. But then. And then there was like, one there. I was like, okay, but the latest video, I saw that, like, the new eight people, and it was like an Asian woman. And it was like Oprah. Like, it. I was like, all right, this can't be denied.

Sloan Hooks (75:08)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (75:08)

What is bizarre. But now, if nothing happens and they continue being scot free in their $200 million Malibu home, the next award ceremony, it'll be like, nobody will do it. And, you know, and she'll. She'll just want this time to stop. So I don't think she'll joke about it. Beyonce herself, she'll just be like, you.

Sloan Hooks (75:29)

Know, it's getting too weird. Like, she's probably even freaked out by it, too.

Heather McDonald (75:33)

And then I also saw someone say that in the beginning she would thank God. And then for like, 10 years, she never did. And only recently did she start to do that again, like, when someone pointed it out.

Sloan Hooks (75:43)

Oh, that's good to know. I'm gonna include that in a deep dive.

Heather McDonald (75:45)

And then also, people say, this doesn't mean the Illuminati. Well, okay, she does it all the time, but it supposed to be like, diamond.

Sloan Hooks (75:52)

Why does she have to do it, though?

Heather McDonald (75:54)

You know, why is it all the time? Like, when you see, like, it's like on the super bowl and all this stuff, and it's just kind of. And it'll be like, all the single ladies.

Sloan Hooks (76:01)

Yeah, all the single Ladies.

Heather McDonald (76:03)

And you're like, wait, that is so weird.

Sloan Hooks (76:05)

Like, it's a choice. So it means something. Just we don't know what.

Heather McDonald (76:10)

I don't know.

Sloan Hooks (76:11)

Like, why do we even need to do any symbols?

Heather McDonald (76:13)

Unless you're part of, like, a group Strange. Ben Affleck. According to Intouch, this is just a great.

Sloan Hooks (76:19)

Even getting plugs. Wow. Hair plugs.

Heather McDonald (76:21)

They said Ben's now dyeing his hair, getting manicures, pedicures, getting waxed from head to toe. He's even getting hair plugs. And insider tells in touch.

Sloan Hooks (76:30)

Maybe he's joining my team. Well, he's coming out. At least he's getting that horrible tattoo removed. That's actually the best decision he's made so far. The back tattoo.

Heather McDonald (76:38)

You like it?

Sloan Hooks (76:38)

No, no. Getting it removed. He needs to get that removed.

Heather McDonald (76:40)

But I don't know that he's getting it removed.

Sloan Hooks (76:42)

That was actually reported, like, a week ago. I guess he's starting to. Yeah, the bright, colorful thing, which.

Heather McDonald (76:46)

Well, then why is that? No, it's all over his back.

Sloan Hooks (76:48)

Yeah. Yeah.

Heather McDonald (76:49)

So why is that?

Sloan Hooks (76:50)

Well, then this is a new update, because I guess, like, I. I read some bits that he was, like, getting it removed in spite of JLo because she spoke to Andy Cohen so often how, like, she hated the tattoo. This is a new update where I guess now he's getting his tattoo removed. Now he's also dyeing his hair, getting pedicures. Pedicures, wax from head to toe, which.

Heather McDonald (77:06)

And they were all at a thing together. He, Jennifer, Gar, and jlo. It must have been something for their kids, I guess, which is cool. I mean, the kids are friends. They. You know, that would be nice if they could keep that relationship going somewhat, But I don't know.

Sloan Hooks (77:24)

It's weird to see that, like, Jennifer Garner and Ben are just, like, rolling up together. I mean, and it's sad to see J. Lo just walking up alone.

Heather McDonald (77:30)

Who do we think she'll go for next? Just make a prediction if you have to guess a type. A type.

Sloan Hooks (77:36)

You don't have to type. You know, I would love to see her with someone older. A little older and calmer, just because I think she needs to just be a hot mess and, like, this guy needs to, like, stay at home and, like, he's just too. Doesn't even want to go to the award shows. And she could feel okay with that. That's not what she wants. She definitely wants to look her up.

Heather McDonald (77:53)

I think she's gonna go. I think she's gonna go for another, like, hot, like, athlete. Younger.

Sloan Hooks (77:59)

Yeah, I can see that. I mean, she's. She looks great. Yeah.

Heather McDonald (78:02)

I mean, did she see that video of her coming down of, like, out of window? I don't know if that was new. And she's wearing a bikini and heels. The body is just, like, ridic.

Sloan Hooks (78:12)

Unreal.

Heather McDonald (78:12)

All right, everybody follow Sloan. Tell them where they can find you.

Sloan Hooks (78:16)

You guys can check me out on my main channel, Sloan Hooks. I'm also on Instagram and TikTok @sloan hooks and I've got a podcast titled let's Get into it and we have our own channel for that. So go and check it out. And thank you for having me on. This is honestly a dream come true. And like moving out here to la, you guys, it's. It's not like, easy and like, moments like this is why I work so hard and to be, you know, watching you when I was younger on the Chelsea Lately show and just to watch your career thrive. I'm so honored to be here and I just feel really lucky to get the call. So thank you for having me on.

Heather McDonald (78:44)

Oh, you're so sweet. Thank you so much. All right, you guys, that was so great. Thank you so much. Remember heather McDonald.net for Patreon and to get tickets to my live show. And also if you're part of the Apple page subscription where you get the extra juicy scoop content there, please click on the link in the description here. And that will direct you to the instructions of what to do going forward so you can continue to enjoy that extra content and ad free and all that other good stuff.