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Heather McDonald (6:16)

So crazy outfits like Carrie's wearing this like strawberry shortcake bonnet on her head to go just get an ice cream. But you know what? That is what we want to see. If you just had her wearing sweats to get an ice cream, we wouldn't be talking about it. And as weird as the show is, as corny as it is, I am watching it. However, I miss when she was a podcaster and her co host was Che Diaz and Bobby Lee, the comedian and, and her. The. And then Bobby Lee revealed that he'd been sleeping with the network executive of the podcast who was this like tyrant in a wheelchair. And I was like, wait, what? And then I was like. And then she was pregnant. Like then, then the, this really did happen in the show. Then the girl who was running the podcast that had slept with Bobby Lee was then pregnant and they never like addressed who her dad, who the father was, or whatever. And then Carrie didn't wanna do an ad about her vagina and the whole network shut down and everybody had to pick up their, take their box of staplers, like you need staplers at a podcast network and had to leave. Those were the times that I was like, my God. But that'll never come back. Cause now she's going back to writing. She's not even gonna mention a podcast, who knows? But that's what's happening in it. And I hope that Rosie o' Donnell stays. I hope that she brings Miranda to church. That's what I want to happen. I need that storyline too. But then they. What? Then they were like. Cause they did all the puns and so like Carrie was like, oh, holy sister touristy or whatever. Like. Cause the girl, because her character was also a New York tourist and wanted to go to Times Square. So they were like really mean about that. So they were just like teasing her like she was the biggest, dorkiest nun that like Miranda just couldn't shake. But it did kind of remind me of the old Sex and the Cities where they would go on dates and meet a weird guy. It would all be like one episode of just like one weird dating adventure with like some guy's kink. So instead of that, the kink is a nun who's a virgin, you know, and then we get to see it. It's 2025. That's life, people. Okay, also, JoJo Siwa posted or her boyfriend. Yes, Jojo Siwa is officially has come out and is with Chris Hughes, who is a straight guy that she met on Big Brother who was on Love Island. They have come out and they did a photo of them cuddling what appears to be naked in a bed, just like Miranda and Rosie o' Donnell. And they're cuddling together and she says it's not platonic anymore. And I just think this is amazing because it is another one of my predictions that have come true that I said this generation will be a generation that when in finding their true sexuality, will experiment with same sex partners first and then may end up in a heterosexual relationship, which in the past, if you didn't come out originally as gay, oftentimes people would get married young to in a heterosexual marriage and then come out later because they couldn't come out. But now I'm like, wow, this is kind of interesting also during Pride month. Also interesting also, she just made such a big deal. Like she was so like, I'm gay as fuck. Guess those sort of my exes. Okay, so anyway, I think it's great. Maybe she's bi, maybe she's not. Maybe she's just trying Dee out for a month. I don't know. Good for her. It's juicy. Also really interesting. Okay, this is. You guys, remember the beautiful girl Chelsea? She was on selling Sunset. She was from London. She was a realtor in Manhattan Beach. And she fit in with all the girls because she would wear the chicest, most tiny, tiny, tiny outfits. And she could pull it off because she was extremely thin. Extremely, extremely thin. Anyway, I followed her and I started to see that she is doing all these food videos of her cooking much like that. Like a ballerina farms person or that other girl, that's the other one that I forgot her name. The other girl that's like a gorgeous model who is like. My kids were tired and I decided they would perk up if I made them homemade blueberry scones. So I started with this. So she's kind of doing like that, but she's like eating. She's doing a lot of videos where she's just looking gorgeous and like eating chicken wings. And it gets like 96,000 likes so I'm like, what's going on? And her body has changed because of her diet. She looks amazing because she's gorgeous. But again, it's kind of interesting because all we are seeing in the world of ozempic and GLP1s and all that is that people are making dramatic transformations and becoming thinner and smaller. And she is going a more curvy route. And she was always so thin before, but she's. You know, in the show, we see that her husband cheated on her. I'm like, maybe she's just like, oh, my God. I have been denying myself delicious food my entire life as I was pursuing modeling and marrying this a hole. And I want some fucking chicken wings. And I still look amazing. I still look gorgeous. Which she does. And anyway, yeah, I just was like, wow. We don't normally see that unless it's, like, for a movie role. And she's just, like, loving life and good for her. I remember I one time was talking to this woman in the Hamptons, and she was very thin, and she was like, I don't know, 65 years old in an Herve Leger dress, Flattest stomach. Okay. And I'm like, how have you maintained your figure all these years? Like, you're at these lavish parties. Like, I just. I mean, how. And she just goes, I've been starving for 65 years. And I'm like, yeah, so Chelsea was probably starving, too. Good for her. Okay, little update on the Diddy trial. It's awful. It's horrible things. There's an assistant on the stand that was on Friday, and she's on on Monday and, you know, saying that she was, you know, essayed by Diddy. All these awful things that happened. Spaghetti thrown at her, terrified. But one thing she said was Diddy would get high for important board meetings. But also, one time he was intoxicated or high when he came on Chelsea Lately. So people sent me the video. They've pulled up the Chelsea Lately video from the archives. I remember when P. Diddy came, he was one of the very, very few people that were, like, very late. He was very late. He was, like, well over an hour or so late. And he was a big get. We were excited to have him. That was a big name. And as more time passed, what I recall is that they were just gonna pull it. She was just like, I am not waiting around. We never were late to start. If you've ever gone to a taping of our show back in the day, we never started late. We were always on time. So it wasn't something that we were used to or that we wanted. But watching the clip, yes. And I do remember that it was weird and everything, but I didn't necessarily think that he was, like, wasted. I just thought, yeah, whatever, maybe he had a drink. But that was just kind of an interesting thing that came out of it. Also, Ray J, this is from the Neighborhood Talk. Ray J did this interview, or I don't know if this is a stream or what, where he is talking about Suge Knight, where Suge Knight essayed men and women. And he is getting so graphic and just telling the story, like, no, it wasn't Diddy. It was Suge Knight that was taking everyone's manhood or whatever. And I'm like, I just couldn't believe that this is happening. And then he gets into like, yeah, I was talking about Suge Knight. I never talked badly about P. Diddy. And I can't believe I got in a fight with his sons. They didn't understand that I was not dissing their dad. I was talking about Suge Knight. And then Amber Rose comes on and she says, like, yeah, that's the story. I know. And what do you think's happening with him in prison? And then, like, TMZ and all these people are doing interviews with Suge Knight in prison, and this is all going on while the Diddy trial is coming out and people debating if the prosecution's doing good enough job to get him on the racketeering. Did these people really want to be there? And then these women pour out their heart on the stand and they say the most horrible things, and then they bring up the fact that maybe they texted them after they were no longer working there just to be like, hey, Merry Christmas, or something. I don't know. It's a lot. And I'm just bringing up the juicy parts of it because otherwise it's just too dark and depressing. Okay, one more thing about Karen Reid, and then we're going to get to our interview. Okay, this guy, Jared Murrell, he is doing videos talking about the Karen Reid case. And one thing he did himself. This is not something that was in the trial, but it's amazing. He pulled up the autopsy picture of the victim, John o' Keefe, of his skull and where there was, you know, something that happened to his skull. Okay. So they think it's because she hit him with her car and then he hit the back of his head. And then, of course, the defense thinks he went into the house and there was a confrontation in which he had had Trauma there that caused. So what this guy has matched up with the X ray of the autopsy video picture of the victim was he thinks that one of the shapes of this wound on the head, this unique shape, is from a weight that he realized was photographed in that basement weight room at the Alberts house. So his theory is they were down there. That's also where maybe the dog was, who maybe then leapt and was scratching or trying to break up whatever fight happened. His theory is someone in that house, they got in a fight with John o' Keefe, grabbed this, like, free weight that you would put on like a barbell that is photographed from the photos in the house, hit him on the head with that. And then there was another weird shape that he couldn't figure out why that would be indented in his skull. And he realized it's the metal part of like a baseball cap that John was wearing. So he might have been wearing the hat. And then the weight hit him in the head in a fight, leaving also the indentation of this little metal part on the back of a baseball cap. I mean, I'm just putting it out there. If someone doesn't know about this video, get it to the defense because it was Jared Murrell. It was pretty darn compelling of what could have happened. And none of us are doctors, so someone else could say, no, that's something else. But I thought that was really interesting. So the prosecution on the Karen Reed case has rested and now the defense is going to do their whole thing, bring up all those witnesses, all the Albert people, and then the prosecution will have another chance to do a rebuttal to that. So there's still like a long time to get through this case. All right, you guys, now I am so excited because we did a great interview with the pop apologists and they know all the juicy scoop on everything and we get into it. So get ready for some pop culture fun. 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Find out why Nutrafol is the best selling hair growth supplement brand@nutrafol.com spelled n u t r a f o l.com, promo code JuiceScoop. That's Nutrafol.com promo code Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. So much to get into. I'm very excited to have new guests. They are podcasters themselves and they are sisters, which I love. They are known as pop apologists. Welcome to Juicy Scoop. We've got Lauren, the older sister, but not by much. And you wouldn't be able to tell because they're both gorgeous blondes with just the most perfect peachy complexion. And Chandler, welcome. And you guys are doing great. I love that you like do deep, deep dives in pop culture stuff. And we know how you met cause you're sisters. But like what? Give us just a little background on how where you got to it and building your business and all that working together.

Chandler (23:36)

Okay, so this is actually, actually kind of ties back to you a little bit because I remember where I was when you announced you were going to twice a week.

Lauren (23:44)

And I'm a super fan.

Chandler (23:46)

The joy it brought me, like it felt like Christmas morning as an adult and so any. I feel like I had a moment at school where I thought this would be so fun to do. And also if I could like make people as happy as your show made me like 10 years ago, I was. Was just have been so thrilled. So we started the show at byu, a Mormon college.

Heather McDonald (24:05)

Oh, really?

Chandler (24:06)

We did, but then our parents caught wind of it and it was kind of R rated.

Heather McDonald (24:10)

So wait, you were doing the podcast how many years ago?

Lauren (24:13)

Well, okay, so basically. Or like a YouTuber in 2016, we recorded a few episodes.

Chandler (24:18)

10 episodes.

Lauren (24:18)

10 episodes. Like, remember when Orlando Bloom had those nudes?

Heather McDonald (24:23)

Yes.

Lauren (24:23)

Well, we had things to say about them.

Chandler (24:24)

Yeah. So rave reviews.

Lauren (24:26)

Released a couple episodes and but our. So our parents are very Mormon. They found out about this like they found out about the podcast and that it was PG 13/R rated. And they said you have 24 hours to take down the podcast or else we're gonna cut you off from the phone bill.

Chandler (24:44)

And $60 a month to us at the time was like not something we were looking for.

Heather McDonald (24:47)

So how many school grades were you guys apart?

Lauren (24:50)

Well, I was 5.

Chandler (24:51)

I was a little. Thanks, Chandler. I was a little late to getting in the game of life. And so Chandler and I were at college at the same time.

Heather McDonald (25:00)

Okay, great. I love that.

Lauren (25:01)

That was the best.

Heather McDonald (25:02)

Did you live together?

Chandler (25:03)

We did. We shared a bed.

Heather McDonald (25:05)

Oh, really? I love it. I lived with my sister too.

Chandler (25:09)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (25:10)

So when I got out of college, Undergraduate, usc. She had just finished, like, law school or a little bit after that. And I needed a roommate, and she needed a roommate. So we had, like, a few years together where we lived, like, in Brentwood in la, in different apartments and stuff. And it was so. It was. It's so great if you get along with your sister. It is so great to live as young adults together. It's like. I mean, back then, you had an actual phone and a phone bill, and it's like, we didn't have to split stuff. We didn't have to. You know, it was just like. We just paid part of the rent, and the rest just, like, worked out. And so there was not all the weird roommate stuff that I'd had in the past. So. I love that you guys are so close. I can relate to that.

Chandler (25:51)

Thank you.

Heather McDonald (25:52)

Yeah.

Chandler (25:52)

Yeah. So we are super close. And we quit the podcast immediately. Cause we couldn't lose the 60 bucks a month. And then we were like, we'll scrub.

Lauren (26:01)

The Internet of it. Not a problem. We hate it. We'll never do the call.

Heather McDonald (26:04)

We call it Pop Apologist back then.

Chandler (26:06)

Yes. Same logo. And so what's funny about it is now I just look back because we restarted in 2020 once we were financially free.

Heather McDonald (26:13)

Yeah.

Chandler (26:13)

And I just look back. If we had continued in 2016, when not everyone and their mother and aunt had a podcast.

Heather McDonald (26:19)

Yeah.

Chandler (26:20)

It would have been an easier road, perhaps. But anyway, we restarted in 2020. And, yeah, we. We have just been going for about five years now, and it's been really fun. It's a very, very hard job. And so I just have to say, I have so much respect for what you do, because to do it by yourself and to have so much recall, it just takes a really, really smart brain. So I don't think people, like, really understand how smart you have to be to do what you do.

Heather McDonald (26:45)

Very nice. That's not the only reason I had you on the show is to compliment me. But, no, it's a specific skill. I see why. I understand why. It's like, all in my feed is just people sitting down and having conversations, and a lot of them are talking about the same subjects, and I can see why. I actually think now this is the new rich woman thing to do. It's like, instead of being a pop star and hiring someone to, like, make you music or whatever, now it's like, I'll just have my own talk show that I'll put on, and I'll hire the right people, and we'll get the right set and then we'll just talk about, you know, the stuff. And so sometimes I watch it, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like. But then I realized, no, it doesn't matter what. Even though we're all talking about the same stuff, people have different takes, and you're kind of attracted to whatever the person is. Like, I have my favorite different podcasts, not even in this genre that I'll, like, I could go find something else when they're on a break, but I'm like, oh, I'll just wait. Like, I just. So I get it, but I think it's great if it's something you really love and you're really into it. But I do think for many people, they do drop out of it because they don't realize that you get burnt out. Well, like, you can get burnt out for sure.

Lauren (27:58)

Yeah. And, I mean, just speaking transparently, you know, we'll be sisters, you know, or sisters will be kind of maybe in a little tiff. But then we got to record, so it's like we got to put a. Put a pause on our little, you know, quarrel about whatever. And we got to, like, you have to bring the energy, and, you know, it's. It's a. It's a. It's a tiring job.

Chandler (28:17)

Also, ask, how long will Michelle Obama last podcasting? That's my question.

Heather McDonald (28:21)

Well, you know, again, brought the brother. I mean, it's like, people are just like, who is the closest that, like, needs a job that I can bring on, that I can do something? And I think what happens is everyone listens to it, and they're like, well, I have an opinion. I mean, I. That's me. I used to watch Oprah, and I'd be like. I thought, like, I would maybe be like, a producer on Oprah. Like, I always loved that. And then, of course, then when I got Chelsea lately, it was the topics and everything and just a transition of just what I'm into. But, like, no, I think, like, anything she'll get, you know, if it doesn't. If it's not consistent. I also say I think it's for big stars. It's reading the comments that you were never aware of reading when you were doing movies or something like that, because you think you have a great episode and you go to your YouTube or whatever, and someone's like, I hated this guest. Or, you know, you did this, or, you know, Heather mispronounced a word. Oh, by the way, I said, on my last week's episode, I had Jessica Rothschild, who has A podcast about soul cycle in New York and the weirdness. And I said spinners. And I thought spinners were girls that actually were little, tiny girls that did spin class.

Lauren (29:40)

Yeah, that's what I thought, too.

Heather McDonald (29:42)

But I also thought it was spinning on a dick. I thought it was both. So people were like, heather, that's not what it is. It's that you're small enough for a guy to, like, spin you around while you're on him. And let's not have your parents listen to this episode. And so a lot of people were sending me definitions and everything. And so I like being corrected. I'm like, you know. Cause I said, oh, Patty Sanger, when Patty Sanger, we're talking about spinners. I did think she meant little fitness girls on spinner bikes. I did not know. And that was a guy's type. I did not think that she was talking about the sexual thing. But anyway, so. But getting back to. I think sometimes with people, besides running out of stories, running out of guests, and now when everybody also has a podcast, it's gonna be harder to get your best friends to do your show. So you gotta be able to hold it on your own. And then I also just think it's reading the criticism and just being like, oh, fuck you guys. You know, like, you know, even though 95% of your people love you or aren't gonna write at all, it's like you just feel like, oh, my God, I'm reading these comments. I'm being bashed. And I think for a lot of people that have the luxury of not needing to do it, then, you know, then it falls along the wayside.

Lauren (30:58)

Well, it's also the content machine that you have to feed. It's like, you know, Michelle Obama's gotta get her three reels up, you know, with her promos from the episode. It's just like, Michelle, you gotta post those.

Heather McDonald (31:07)

Right? And just. Right. But they have these huge teams, you know, and that's the other thing. It's like, yeah, for anybody else, even people at a level of success, it's still a lot on. At least for me, it's a lot on me. I understand other people have. And they can just leave and walk away. But like, I. But anyway, let's get into. Because I want to talk about Mormon, and then I also want to talk about some other juicy things. Meghan Markle. And so let's talk a little bit about your Mormon life. Raising. Being raised. And what is your. What did you think? Did you know about Mom? Mom TikTok or were you. Did you just like, how did you discover it before the show came? Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Chandler (31:46)

Yeah. So we had a highlight reel on our Instagram called Cringe Talk and it was all of the girls dancing. We just thought it was so embarrassing. We kind of were making fun of them because we just thought it was so cringe. So it was actually shocking to us to have the show come out and kind of. Kind of fall in love with a lot of them and find them to be so delightful and funny. But no, we. Yeah, we saw them on TikTok before the Hulu show, and little did we know that we would just fall in love with the Taylor Frankie Paul as well, who on camera is just so much more likable, I think, than on TikTok.

Heather McDonald (32:17)

Yeah.

Lauren (32:17)

I mean, and I think just to go back to, like our Mormon background, I knew that there were swingers in Utah. Like, I'd heard those rumors. I'm not a swing.

Heather McDonald (32:24)

And they were the soft swinger or full blown swing.

Lauren (32:27)

I knew about full blown swinging. I knew about, like, you put the pineapple in your grocery cart to signal to other people at the grocery store.

Heather McDonald (32:33)

Right.

Lauren (32:33)

That you are interested. You put it on, you know, all the pineapple paraphernalia.

Heather McDonald (32:37)

Right.

Lauren (32:38)

I knew about that in Utah was kind. But I. I didn't realize. I didn't realize how young it was. I think that, like, it was like all these younger couples were doing it, but we were actually. So. We're from. We're not from Utah. We were like born and raised in Orange County.

Heather McDonald (32:51)

Oh, okay.

Lauren (32:52)

Yeah, so that. But we went to school in Utah, to byu.

Heather McDonald (32:55)

Oh, but you went to like high school and everything in Orange County?

Lauren (32:58)

Yeah, yeah, Public school.

Heather McDonald (32:59)

And was it hard? Were. Were you friends with people that didn't go to the church or, like, was it a weird thing to explain what your religion was to friends that weren't Mormon?

Chandler (33:09)

I feel like even in Southern California it was pretty known, so it wasn't weird to explain it. I honestly, I personally was not super into it from very young. Like 13 years old, was just like, hey, not for me. I will attend.

Heather McDonald (33:22)

These are like levels of Mormonism. Like, you know, like how there's, you know, the three levels of Judaism, like conservative, reform or orthodox. Like, orthodox being the most strict about what you wear and your hair and all that is there, like that. Like, there's the ones where you. The garments and this and that. And then there's ones where you're just like, I don't drink. I occasionally Have a Diet Coke. But I love the church, and I go and I pray to God and, like, is there, like, that level? Cause then we have that, like, it's called Cafeteria Catholics, where you just sort of pick and choose. Like, maybe you use birth control, but you go to church, identify as Catholic, but, like, not every rule you'd follow.

Lauren (34:01)

There's nothing. I would say. There's no formal language, like, for anything like that. I would say most people who are Mormon are devout following all of the rules.

Heather McDonald (34:09)

So. Did you ever have the underwear?

Lauren (34:11)

No, but that. We never were. We never advanced to that level because we both left the church before doing that.

Heather McDonald (34:16)

Oh.

Lauren (34:17)

But, like, you know, we weren't. I wasn't.

Heather McDonald (34:19)

So what's. The underwear? Is only when you're married.

Lauren (34:20)

It's one. Yeah. Basically, you go through the temple, and you do that either before you serve a mission, you know, if you're a boy or a girl, or before you get married in the temple. You have to, like, kind of. It's like this higher level of like, a promise with God, and that's when you get your garments. And. But we never did that. Like, Lauren left when she was 13. I left, you know, mentally when I was 7.

Heather McDonald (34:39)

Parents let you just not go to church on Sunday?

Chandler (34:41)

No, I had to go, but I just couldn't. I just didn't want to. Mormonism is such an intense religion to be raised in, and so you're constantly speaking in the language of it, even at home. So it would be like, oh, does Heavenly Father want you to wear that tank top? And so I'd constantly have to, like, reaffirm belief in the system. And so I felt like I was lying all the time. So I just had to, like, sit my parents down and say, I don't actually believe this is true, but I will attend. I just can't, like, keep speaking in the language of it anymore. You have to know, like, you know, I have to have live with some integrity here. And so that was. That was my situation.

Lauren (35:12)

And Lauren and I shared a Jack and Jill bathroom. I was very believing until I was. Until I wasn't, when I was 17. And I just remember, like, knowing that Lauren didn't believe and kind of being, like, afraid of her, just like, oh, like, I. I don't want to get too, too close. I don't know.

Heather McDonald (35:25)

The only kids?

Lauren (35:26)

No, there's six kids.

Chandler (35:27)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (35:27)

Oh, so what numbers are you?

Lauren (35:29)

So five. And you're Three. Three.

Heather McDonald (35:32)

Where's four? What's she up to?

Lauren (35:33)

Four. Four is our brother. He he lives in New York as well, actually. So there's six kids. Only one is still practicing Mormon.

Heather McDonald (35:41)

Oh, okay.

Lauren (35:42)

It's our youngest sibling and that's who's.

Heather McDonald (35:44)

Getting all the inheritance.

Lauren (35:45)

Basically. That's about the Volvo.

Chandler (35:48)

Exactly. The nice Volvo. The nice Volvo.

Heather McDonald (35:52)

Oh, my gosh. Okay, so tell me what you like. So what are you thinking of the show? Did you know? Do you. Besides following them on TikTok before they became. I mean, the show is really blown up this season. It's very juicy. I've talked to, you know, someone about it. All the marriages are ending. They're on second, third marriages. They talk about the full blown swinging that they've done where it's like, I mean, that one scene where Taylor, Frankie, Paul goes to the confessional and corrects the friend and was like, oh, it wasn't just kissing. We were screwing our husbands next to each other on a bed. All four of us were in a shower together. You and I dry humped each other. And other husbands that weren't ours were also videotaping it. I was like, I go back and watch it again. And I'm like, I guess at this point you got nothing to lose. You've already showed your life to the world. You might as well just say it all and ride this wave. Because there's no point in how it's secret life. There's no point in keeping any secrets. But it's like crazy because I'm like, now are any of those girls showing up on Sunday after the thing, after everyone at the church binged the Hulu show, Like, how weird is that?

Chandler (37:05)

So some of them definitely are. And I think that's why one of the ma. That's one magical piece of the show is that half of them are really trying to actually be active Mormons, even though they've dabbled in some things that they wish they hadn't. I feel like when it comes to. When it comes to mom talk, I feel like the part of it that's, that's. That maybe people don't know is that in Utah it's way more common to kind of be maybe like a cafeteria Catholic type Mormon because everyone around you is Mormon. So your boss is Mormon, your family's Mormon. To leave, I think is such a big, bigger deal in the community.

Heather McDonald (37:38)

Got it.

Chandler (37:38)

So there's so many more people who kind of just go on Sundays but then do what they want on their.

Heather McDonald (37:44)

Off time because they don't want to be ostracized.

Chandler (37:47)

Yeah, yeah, exactly. From the entire community. Yeah. And I, I feel like when it comes to, when it comes to like the, the swinging and all of that, I mean there's just nothing in the Book of Mormon where it talks about swinging.

Lauren (37:58)

So God did not have any, any, you know, specific guidelines about showering with other couples.

Chandler (38:03)

There's no hard and fast rules in the scriptures.

Heather McDonald (38:05)

But then where does the having several wives come from? I know that's not part of Mormonism, but at one time, way back when it was. Why did the church say we no longer think this is what God wanted?

Chandler (38:20)

I think because they were under a lot of pressure from the government, from the government essentially to quit this practice. What they will say, you know, what the. In Mormonism it's, you know, termed as like a revelation that happened to the prophet at the time. But I think it was actually just at the time there was. Mormons were heavily persecuted for this practice because it was really like it was tearing up communities and really bad for women.

Heather McDonald (38:44)

And when did, when did that happen?

Lauren (38:45)

I think like after Brigham Young, after like the second prophet of the church.

Heather McDonald (38:49)

But like what year?

Lauren (38:50)

Like, like 1800s or early 1900s. Like not. Definitely not recently.

Heather McDonald (38:55)

Okay, okay. Yeah, okay, I get it. So this was kind of juicy. This just popped up about the girls as. So Jesse, who's the oldest of the group, she's the hairdresser and has the money because she actually has a successful business. She calls out the fact that Demi's older husband, she says, a 47 year old washed up loser who can't hold a job and, and asked my husband, this is what Jesse's writing and I for ten grand just a few months ago so he could pay the bills. So they're in a beef even though they look exactly alike and they were friends at one point. And it sounds to me like the beef comes down to that Marciano who sense looks like he's been on the Ozempic cause he looks way thinner than he was sweating in the Italian villa. But he was the one that was flirting with Demi then. So there was an illusion that there was. They were alluding that there was something going on with them. I heard from my guests that she, they had each other's locations, but so does she and Shay. Okay, so whatever. I don't know what that is about. Whatever. So. But she said no, nothing happened, you know, but yes, they would FaceTime each other. Now it turns out, according to Sheena Shay, that it was Jesse. And they all hung out one night in LA doing press and Jesse and he, it appears he had to Spend the night in her hotel room because it just got too late.

Lauren (40:34)

There's no Ubers and he didn't feel.

Heather McDonald (40:36)

Like paying for another room. And she had a little pull out couch. But she is also now separated from her husband.

Chandler (40:43)

Oh, she is separated from her husband.

Heather McDonald (40:45)

Or she says, we're trying something out.

Lauren (40:49)

I think she said it's tricky or something. It's tricky.

Heather McDonald (40:52)

Complicated. Yeah.

Lauren (40:53)

Well, first of all, this guy is not attractive. And he's not worth throwing it all away for.

Heather McDonald (40:57)

I mean, he is the less attractive, less interesting Jax Taylor, like, by a thousand. And I said, they have the same voice. And I feel like he and the pretty blonde girl who I had on my show, who they were boyfriend, girlfriend back in Vegas, I feel like that was. Oh, my God, we found our Stasi and Jax, like, build the show around. But. Yeah. Ew.

Lauren (41:20)

What you see on. So can I spoil something for the Secret Lives? Okay, so in the very last episode, Laila, who.

Heather McDonald (41:28)

The girl who's divorced who has new tits and dating not a cute guy.

Chandler (41:31)

Yes.

Lauren (41:31)

Who's still working on the Orgasm.

Heather McDonald (41:32)

Yes.

Lauren (41:35)

She meets up with him at, like, a ski resort. He happens to be in Deer Valley.

Heather McDonald (41:39)

She meets up with Marciano from Vanderpumpfila.

Lauren (41:42)

To get to the bottom of, you know, what happened. And he's.

Heather McDonald (41:44)

She's an investigator now.

Lauren (41:45)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (41:45)

Yeah.

Lauren (41:46)

And he basically says, you know, it was never Demi, it was Jesse. And he says that the affair has continued and that's, like, the way the season ends.

Chandler (41:57)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's pretty juicy. And I.

Heather McDonald (41:59)

Good for them. Good for them for actually fucking and for giving us what we want, which is, when you watch these shows, you want to see marriages fall apart. Sorry. It's horrible, though. I think the Valley is getting a little too much for me. But, yeah, I mean, it is. It is juicy. So. But it's, like, crazy too.

Chandler (42:20)

Chandler and I talk about how it's so similar to Vanderpump Rules when it first began in that it's really messy.

Lauren (42:26)

Right.

Chandler (42:26)

It's showing these people who are cheating on each other, who have these lives that are falling apart, but with Mormon wives. They also are married with three children. And it's just like the stakes are so much higher. And so I actually think it's even better because it's not like, oh, will they get engaged or not? It's like, what is she gonna do? You know?

Heather McDonald (42:44)

Yeah. And then they're also hooked into being famous, making easy money from this, you know, influencer world. And then these Other chicks with their long locks, they're trying to get in, and they're like, I don't. We don't wanna share the pie with them. What was the story that I heard, handsome? That somehow Demi wanted to get rid of Jesse, like, cut her out of it, so there'd be more in the pie and they would make more money per person. What is that?

Lauren (43:12)

What we heard or what we saw on the show is that she basically said to, you know, Hulu producers or whatever, you know, kick Jesse off and give me more money because I'm the star, you know, I'm the fan favorite.

Heather McDonald (43:25)

And how did they find that out?

Lauren (43:26)

Well, Jesse, I guess, got on this call, and that's where she heard, I think, Brett, Demi's husband, kind of saying, you know, give, give, give Demi more money, right?

Chandler (43:36)

Well, yeah, Brett was demanding more money, and he said, we're all gonna walk if we don't get more money. And Jesse, I guess, was not prepped before she got on the call that they had all kind of decided to band together. And so she said, all the TikTok moms. Yeah. And so she said, I'm not gonna walk. And then. So I think that's what Demi was willing to throw her under the bus and have her off the show so that they could get so that.

Heather McDonald (43:56)

Well, I want to say smart, Demi.

Chandler (44:00)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (44:00)

Like, pull a friends. I mean, we know you're not making any money. We know that you're like, you know, the show is a huge hit. It's gonna. There are no residuals. You certainly can pay these people a few thousand more an episode. And Hulu's not gonna go under.

Chandler (44:16)

It's the number one show on Hulu, so it's like.

Heather McDonald (44:18)

So, yeah, you do have to band together, otherwise you will just be making a 4% raise like, that. Your original contract says so, like, good for them.

Lauren (44:27)

Well, Jesse's also a millionaire. Like, she doesn't need the money.

Heather McDonald (44:30)

Right.

Lauren (44:31)

She's, like, super, like.

Heather McDonald (44:33)

Yeah. Because of her hair.

Lauren (44:34)

Yeah. Well, and then we find out in the season that Demi said to Taylor, hey, don't go to her salon. She's actually not that great at hair color or something. She's like, I don't know about, you know, Jay Z styles. And we find this out, like, in the second to last episode that Demi said that behind Jesse's back.

Chandler (44:50)

It's a huge drama.

Lauren (44:51)

Huge drama that was like, don't go get your hair done there.

Chandler (44:54)

Do you feel like you're losing brain cells hearing about this show?

Heather McDonald (44:56)

No, no. I'm not. No. I feel like it's fun. Like it is. Again, it's classic, like, Shakespearean. But instead of Shakespeare, we have housewives. It's a classic storyline of tearing down another woman's business, revealing rumors, like, so many times. Like, when I would read, like, a description of a real Housewife story or a recap or something. It reminds me of when I'd have to read Shakespeare and we'd get these things called cliffnotes, and the way they would explain. And then this person wasn't aware and they went into the garden and what Romeo really said was this. And then she ran over to Othello and said that. And then that was the misconception which then caused him to kill this person. I mean, it is like, it's classic Shakespearean, but in the reality world of, like, marriages, businesses, fame, like, it's all the same themes, but we have our own thing going. And it repeats and it shows itself whether the women are 50 or, you know, 28.

Lauren (46:02)

Right?

Chandler (46:03)

And we like watching it over and over and over again.

Heather McDonald (46:05)

It's amazing. Okay, let's talk about Meghan Markle, because Meghan Markle, I am fascinated by her. So thank you, Meghan. But Meghan Markle, according to Daily Mail, hints that she may never restock her sellout jam because she wants to step back and assess the as ever brand. This comes at her final episode of the season of her podcast.

Lauren (46:30)

That was the last episode.

Heather McDonald (46:33)

I'm like, the final episode. The final episode of a woman that talks about how busy she is all the time working. And I'm like, we already know that. You did the other boring ass podcast that paid you $20 million. Then the other network comes and gives you this one. Talking to a founder, female founders or whatever the name of it is. I don't even know. And again, it's just her talking to other really rich women that consider themselves business women and are and about, like, how hard it is to be a woman in a man's world. And it is like, I just wanna. Like, it's so archaic. Like, you know, I mean, my mom went to college in the 50s because you could. And her dad was like, don't take this scholarship at Catholic University to be an actress. Go to Wisconsin. It's a big school. Be a journalist, like, have a real job, like, whatever. And then she got a whole nother career in real estate. Like, I'm old. We work. It is not. Like, I'm like, I just don't get this whole idea of where it's like, well, and then that's what it is. It's just so many cringey moments. And I love that she has a podcast because she releases the cringe and of her being like. And, you know, I was with Archie and I was gonna. He likes to read stories, and I need to cherish that time. And I laid in bed with him and I cuddled with him. Even though I had several business meetings in the morning, I laid with him. When your child is four, you lay with them. When your child is four, you read them a book and da, da, da. And. And if you're a working mom, you're gonna look back and there's gonna be a lot that you don't totally remember on either end. But we're all doing it. And it's like this idea and then to act like. And then I pick up my child and I have to do the drop off. And it's like from 6:30 to 9:30. And then we know that she has that. Either it's he who's doing it or the nannies or maybe someday she does it. But it's this constant thing. And I'm like, no.

Chandler (48:58)

My grandma was a waitress. Our grandma was a waitress from 14 to 77. She had four kids, single mom, ex husband, was an alcoholic.

Heather McDonald (49:06)

You know, just now, was she Mormon?

Chandler (49:08)

No, not Mormon. And she was. She never congratulated herself for having a stable home life for her children. Just paying the bills, being a great person. I never heard the level of self congratulations out of her mouth that Megan, it is so wild to hear her say. I heard. I saw that quote where she said that Archie lost his tooth.

Heather McDonald (49:28)

Oh, there was Tooth fairy at that time.

Chandler (49:30)

And she cuddled him all. She cuddled him all night even though she had meetings in the morning. And that's the kind of thing that gives her more strength as a boss and founder.

Heather McDonald (49:37)

I'll tell you that through all the Tooth Fairy things, there was a time where like, I forgot to put the money, you know, and then he like comes in and is like, where's my tooth? And I'm like, oh, my gosh, wait, let's look a little harder. And then like, I had the money and I like slipped it under a pillow. And then I was like, oh, it fell down. You know, like, we all have those stories that it's fun, whatever, but, you know, now we'll have to hear about everyone's life on their podcast. Cause we've created this nightmare for everybody. But no, but she. So anyway, I had said when I heard what her show was going to be about interviewing female entrepreneurs.

Chandler (50:20)

It's never been done before.

Heather McDonald (50:21)

I'm like, oh, my God. And here we got the Spanx Girl. And sure enough, she had the Spanx Girl as her final episode. And they are good friends. And they talked about tennis, they talked about high heels. And, you know, Megan has very small ankles, and she gained 65 pounds with each child. And she had to wear those heels with Archie because she was the princess and she had to wear the pointy heels. And it was so painful that she almost fell forward in her own face. And, you know, it's just a horrible time for her. And thank God this Spanx girl has made this thing called Sneaks. Now, this was a year ago, so I think it was a total bomb. And now she's doing another version of it. I mean, it was a tennis show. It was a tennis shoe with a heel, and it's hideous. And we have a shoe. It's, you know, feels like a. Looks like a shoe or feels like. Looks like a pump. Feels like a sneaker. Like that one. We have all those comforting pumps.

Chandler (51:26)

If Megan was a good friend, she would have said, sarah, these shoes are ugly as shit. We're not discussing them on my podcast.

Heather McDonald (51:32)

I don't. This. I looked it up. I think they're talking. I think she. This was a bomb that she did because this is from CBS Morning and it was like a year ago, and I think now she's doing a new version of it. I'm just saying, this girl, God love her, she did create Spanx. I will thank her forever. I think she is a great entrepreneur. I'm just saying, we've heard you on every show from Oprah to every famous girls podcast. I know your story about Spanx well, and can you just talk about if you're pissed about skims? Like, if you're going to go on the show, go, how do I really feel? Yeah, it pissed me off the first time someone copied me. It pissed me off the 15th time.

Chandler (52:11)

Where were you when you saw Yummy Tummy? Where were you?

Heather McDonald (52:14)

Yes, where were you exactly? Was that Heather Hollis? Jill Zarin had, like a Spanx type line. And when people call it a Spanx time instead of whatever they. Nor what's really, like, you know, shapewear, shapewear, shapewear. Bethenny Frankel had shapewear. Like, so many people have had, you know, shapewear and tried to make it style. Oh, we'll just add a little lace and you could actually wear your shapewear and, like, have a show or have lace at the end in case it shows like we. Yeah, you created it. You're the one that had to wear white pants and cut the nylons in half. You're the one who did it, Sarah. But I'm just saying. Of all. Of course. And I'm just saying, I predicted that she'd have this person on her show, and of course she did. And the series is over now, you guys. It's over.

Lauren (52:57)

I mean, I'm so glad it's over. Cause I didn't want to hear another one of these stories. We are all. Everyone in this room, like female founders. I don't hear another fudgeing story about female founders. I'm over it. I'm over it. I don't. Megan is literally like chicken soup for like the feminist soul. Do you remember those books?

Heather McDonald (53:11)

Yes.

Lauren (53:12)

That is literally the way she talks.

Heather McDonald (53:13)

Yes. Right. Yes. And yeah. There was another moment.

Chandler (53:21)

The power of.

Heather McDonald (53:22)

I want to say thank you for this episode because they have put out 25 reels or other people have it. It is giving. So thank you to. What's her name? Lima. What's her name?

Chandler (53:31)

Jamie Kern. Lima.

Heather McDonald (53:33)

Yeah, Lima. And she's just so fascinated. And Megan says, I change the language for my kids. Cause sometimes they say I can't reach it. And I go, you can't reach it yet. Yes, yes, yes. You could just say yet with everything. Yeah, I can't fit in this dress.

Chandler (53:55)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (53:57)

Yes. I can't make an attractive tennis shoe high heel. Yes. Yes. No.

Chandler (54:06)

I would like to meet a group of female friends who actually speak to each other this way, who talk in platitudes. It's like they're auditioning. It's like Megan is auditioning constantly for a future mother in law. It's just how she's the perfect person in every way and every.

Lauren (54:19)

Every experience is just another life lesson. I want to hear you, like, talk shit.

Chandler (54:24)

Yes, yes.

Heather McDonald (54:27)

And it is just. I just am like. Like, who wants. Who wants to who? Are you telling me the girl that's trying to get her Etsy store off the ground wants to hear from the Spanx lady yet? A fucking gen. Like what?

Chandler (54:42)

Right. No.

Heather McDonald (54:43)

Anyway, I mean, whatever. So she did her six episodes. Wow. She got through the series and especially doing all those morning calls while her kids were in preschool. I don't know how she started swung it.

Chandler (54:53)

Can I also just say, starting a podcast in 2025 that is audio only. She wasn't even trying. Yeah, she wasn't even trying.

Lauren (55:01)

If you're not on video you're, you're dead.

Chandler (55:03)

You don't exist as a podcast.

Lauren (55:05)

It's not a job.

Heather McDonald (55:06)

Well, and then, you know, the, the original one, it was found out that she was sometimes not even interviewing them. That not. They would, someone would ask them the questions and then they would just put her in asking. And I'm like. And people say, oh, I interrupt. I'm like, I interrupt because I'm not on zoom. Because you can't interrupt when you're on zoom, right? Because the set like does it that way and they're in person with me. And yeah, I interrupt and I'm really sorry and I try hard, whatever, who cares? Don't listen. But like, yeah, of course you're not. No one's gonna accuse you of interrupting when you're literally not even doing the interview.

Lauren (55:39)

Well, none of these feel like real conversations. It's like the most rehearsed, even this season of her podcast, the new one, it all is the most rehearsed. Nothing about it feels truly real.

Heather McDonald (55:51)

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Chandler (58:01)

See, that's the thing is, I'm so sick of hearing about how it sold out in 45 minutes. How many sold? Because if there were 30 available, it was gonna sell out very quickly. Tell us how many units sold, and then we can become impressed.

Heather McDonald (58:12)

And then she's like, I don't know if I'm even gonna restock it. I might just move on to fashion. I think that'd be a great space for me. And then she's like. And Netflix said they're gonna. They just said I should have a fashion line, but they don't wanna be a part of it. I'm like, yeah, they wanna end this fucking relationship. They. They, like, do your. No, they don't need to also sell. They're selling. They're selling the Stranger Things T shirts. Okay? That's what they want to sell. They don't need to sell your, you know, slacks that you could get at Zara, like, whatever.

Lauren (58:42)

I don't. I don't mind her style to be particularly inspiring. She dresses well. It's like, it's nice clothing, but I don't. I don't see her as a fashion icon that I want to, like, take inspiration from.

Chandler (58:51)

She dresses like a starter kit of how to look like I'm a rich person. It's like beige cardigan slacks. You know, it's grandma clothing.

Lauren (59:00)

Feels like it could be from Ann Taylor.

Chandler (59:02)

Yes.

Lauren (59:02)

Like, yeah, I need a little bit more sexiness out of her wardrobe, in my opinion.

Heather McDonald (59:06)

Yes.

Chandler (59:06)

For such a sexy lady. Yet she's not dressing sexy yet.

Heather McDonald (59:10)

Yet.

Chandler (59:10)

I do have some insider scoop on Meghan, if you want to hear.

Heather McDonald (59:14)

So imagine if I said no, Actually, I want to respect her privacy, so let's stop talking about her. Go on. Yes.

Chandler (59:20)

Okay. So I feel like I really liked Megan at first.

Heather McDonald (59:23)

So did I.

Chandler (59:24)

And I thought a lot of us really did.

Heather McDonald (59:26)

Right.

Chandler (59:27)

And we wanted to believe that she was going to this. Like, she's going to add diversity to the royal family, really be someone. Women of color in the uk, in the Commonwealth, could look up to all.

Lauren (59:37)

The things an American princess. Yeah.

Chandler (59:39)

It was so cool. Also, she was older than him, she was divorced. She just didn't fit the mold. And I think everyone really liked her. So it honestly has taken me a long time to come to grips with the fact that the naysayers have been true. Because every person I have come into contact with who has had some tangential, you know, connection to her has had such bad things to say. The one thing though that stuck out to me was someone told me that she's like, my friend, worked on the PR firm, worked for the PR firm that Megan hired, Pre Harry. And their role was to make her more famous. And it was also to set her up with eligible men. And so what this person's job was was creating the decks for when Megan went to an event of all of the rich and successful, powerful men, which honestly is smart, you know, like, get a girl. Be, you know, don't waste your time with a scrub, whatever. But it just flies in the face of her Mother Teresa act, which is just like she happened to fall in love with a princess.

Heather McDonald (60:35)

But I have one question. Is he kind?

Chandler (60:39)

H is H, is he kind?

Heather McDonald (60:42)

I've talked at nausea about the H and the M thing. I'm like, you have a two syllable name. It just makes no sense why you don't call each other Harry and Meghan.

Chandler (60:51)

The laziness tracks with the level of output from these two.

Heather McDonald (60:54)

Honestly, I personally think that I love the idea of people that set out to I love a black widow story of I'm gonna reinvent myself and go to this town back in the day when you could before the Internet and just weasel my way into like Dallas society and, you know, change my hair color to red. And now I'm marrying, you know, this man who's a widow and da, da, da, da. Like, I, I think it's like fascinating. Like, I think there's something so kind of cool about that. And why not? You've got the PR company, you're going, you're like, who's single? Like, who do you think she ever was a yacht girl?

Chandler (61:41)

I don't know.

Heather McDonald (61:42)

I feel like yacht girl, meaning just for the people at home. Yeah, that and I think there's again, different levels of yacht girls. There's, hey, do you know I've got a hookup for a trip. You're gonna come. If you don't put out, you'll never be asked back. But no one's gonna come in and, you know, have their way with you if you don't want it. But you might be a rich Guy you might fall in love, you might like them, whatever. There's that level, and then there's. You're gonna be paid for your time, and then there's. You're gonna be shit upon in Dubai. Like, there's three different levels. Just like three different levels of Catholicism.

Chandler (62:16)

No.

Heather McDonald (62:17)

Just kidding. But. But yeah. So I think. Yeah. Do I think that she ran around in circles in. In, like, wealthy circles? Yeah. But I don't think she was ever like. Like, actually getting paid a lump sum to be with somebody. I don't believe that.

Chandler (62:33)

Yeah. There's a. There's like, a circle of the Internet, and I feel like it's. It's in the same. If the Venn diagram. The Venn diagram of. Of the people who espouse this theory, it's a. It's a circle with the people who are, like, messaging me on. I feel like I got messages on Facebook and Instagram during COVID that were like, the vaccines actually have fetuses inside of them. Do not put it inside your body. It's like these fringe conspiracy theorists, I think, definitely think Megan was this yacht girl, and it's part of, like, that whole group.

Lauren (63:01)

I mean, maybe. Maybe she was. If they were watching, you know, Disney movies on the. On the yachts. Because, you know, she says that when her and Harry got together. Her and H. Her and h. That they just watched Disney movies at the palace. Yes. That. That's, like.

Heather McDonald (63:16)

That was, like, about princesses.

Lauren (63:18)

Jasmine. I don't know.

Chandler (63:19)

But.

Lauren (63:20)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (63:20)

I mean, I personally don't think that he's very smart. I think he's kind of a simple guy that happened to be a prince. Yeah.

Chandler (63:27)

She's the Chris to his Bruce for sure.

Heather McDonald (63:29)

Yeah.

Chandler (63:29)

Yeah. And he needs her on some level.

Lauren (63:31)

She has the vision now.

Heather McDonald (63:32)

He has got no way of making money, and now they're in Montecito. So you better keep this going. You better figure out what kind of slacks you're Gonna sell on TikTok next year, and you better start making another jam. But I think she realized jam is an awful idea.

Lauren (63:47)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (63:48)

Like, why don't I just go to Alibabi or whatever that place is, like Whitney Rose and just sell some things I think are cute? Like, why don't I. And why don't I just have someone set up a podcast where I just ask a couple questions and sit back? Like, of course these. All those are easier than also learning a bunch of lines and acting again and being on set for 14 hours and having to drive all the way to Universal from Montecito. It is easier to do a podcast. It's easier to act like you're cooking in a kitchen. It's easier to pretend that you boiled the raspberries. Who cares?

Lauren (64:25)

Don't you think, though, people are going to get fatigued with all of her products? Like, I feel like people bought the jam for, like, the novelty.

Heather McDonald (64:30)

Just to say I had one. I. If I was able to get one, I would absolutely never have opened it. And I would have made a content with it. I would have kept it as, like, again, like, a novelty. Like, you know, when, like, Coca Cola created that can for a minute, New Coke or whatever. Like, you're like, oh, remember that weird thing that, like, happened and then went away? Like, you're just. Yeah.

Lauren (64:47)

It's going to end up in, like, the Marshall's food section. You know what I'm talking about? Like, with T.J. maxx or Marshall. So they have those, like, novelty food items with Bethany Franco's baloney, literally. With her mixers, sandwich meats. Yep, yep. Everything is gonna be in Marshall's food section.

Heather McDonald (65:02)

Oh, my God. With the diamond water. Remember the diamond water? What was that girl's name? Asha or whatever her name is.

Lauren (65:09)

Her mom.

Heather McDonald (65:09)

Shaws. Yes. Yeah. Asante or Asha Aja.

Lauren (65:13)

I can't remember.

Heather McDonald (65:14)

Anyway, I remember talk about a scam. And the black water. That was the Banzo boys. Do you want black water?

Chandler (65:22)

No, I do black water. I'm, like, looking at black water.

Heather McDonald (65:25)

I actually think had minerals in it. The diamond water was this Persian girl who was on Shaws that was like. Like, there's diamonds in this water. That's going to make you. I mean, the most, like, the most, like, sorcery, kind of, like, griftery thing to sell. Like, do you really think that, like, pouring water over a diamond is somehow gonna like, make your cheekbones pop out and, like, look. Make you look cuter? I don't know.

Lauren (65:50)

Is she just, like, a rich girl, too? Like, I think that was all with, like, family money. I don't remember. I don't know.

Heather McDonald (65:55)

She was, like, engaged or something. To, like, Jermaine Jackson's son.

Lauren (65:58)

Yes, yes.

Heather McDonald (65:59)

So weird.

Lauren (66:00)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (66:01)

They got rid of her. Bring her back and her weird mom.

Lauren (66:04)

I know. It's all a croc.

Heather McDonald (66:05)

It is fun, though, when you go to, like, a TJ Maxx and you see something like that and you're like, nobody knows how special this is.

Lauren (66:12)

Yes, yes. Except the three of us, literally. Bethany's cookbook on clearance there.

Heather McDonald (66:18)

Oh, my God. Anyway, this you guys sent to me And I thought it was so fun. And I've seen stuff like this in the past and it is an article that was posted and it's how to find a 129 suggestions from a 1958 women's magazine. And you guys are both have already found your husbands, right?

Chandler (66:40)

We have. And we didn't have these tips.

Lauren (66:42)

So it could have happened for me a lot faster if I would have seen, you know, 192 tips. I like that it's actionable. It's not woo woo. It's not like, you know, just be yourself, step into your power.

Heather McDonald (66:52)

I'm gonna say number one is a great idea.

Lauren (66:56)

Absolutely.

Heather McDonald (66:57)

Get a dog and walk it for anybody. Get a dog and walk it. However, I also was concerned. I had a friend, her stepdaughter was living in New York and she did, you know, she had a pug that's basically a child. It's like the most of the, it's like the most baby like, like it cries. And she was single at the time and it was a lot of, well, I need to get back to the dog. I need to get back to the dog. And I said I'm concerned that people, your daughter, your daughter who's single, who wants to fall in love and find someone is really being like a, like a single mom and she's feeling fulfilled, she's not alone. But she's also kind of like sabotaging her chances because like she can't spend the night with a guy, the dog's gonna be crying like, whatever. Anyway, she did somehow find a husband. But I do think that's the only problem with being a single person with the dog is you got to be one of those, you have a low maintenance dog or one that's older or something because, because then it's going to hold you back. Like you'd almost be better with a real child.

Chandler (68:06)

I think that dog. Child, definitely, definitely. I think dog and child would be good. I think what I'm nervous about are the, are the people who have the AI boyfriends and how they're going to actually find someone. Or like, what do you mean?

Heather McDonald (68:18)

AI boyfriend?

Lauren (68:19)

The Chat GPT.

Chandler (68:20)

Like there are people now who have characters as, as like their partners or waits.

Heather McDonald (68:24)

For real?

Chandler (68:25)

Yeah. There are people who, I mean, it's so crazy.

Lauren (68:27)

There was like a story in the New Yorker or the New York Times where this woman was in a full blown relationship with Chat GPT.

Heather McDonald (68:34)

But she knew it was Chat.

Lauren (68:35)

She knew it was Chat GPT.

Heather McDonald (68:36)

She knows it's not a Real person behind it. And she doesn't care.

Lauren (68:39)

She doesn't care. She.

Heather McDonald (68:40)

She's one of those fake baby dolls that go.

Lauren (68:44)

It's all just the phone and what.

Heather McDonald (68:45)

You know about the fake baby dolls? Like they take them to Disneyland.

Lauren (68:48)

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. People. I mean.

Heather McDonald (68:51)

Okay, so go on.

Lauren (68:51)

Anyway, so she, she's in this relationship. She's married also at the time her husband I think knows and is like, this is a problem. But. But the crazy thing is that chat GPT can only remember up to like 30, 000 words or something. So it would like, you know, every now and then it kind of reset. Like it wouldn't be able to remember things from, you know, two months ago.

Heather McDonald (69:09)

So her boyfriend had Alzheimer's. Exactly.

Lauren (69:11)

Literally, like, yes. And so. And it would like be deeply, deeply.

Chandler (69:16)

Yes, yes.

Heather McDonald (69:18)

That's hilarious.

Lauren (69:19)

There was like a podcast about it or something.

Heather McDonald (69:21)

However though, the AI gets smarter and smarter. So in a year it will remember 60,000 words.

Chandler (69:26)

No, I think it's crazy. I think that, I mean there was. This is a horrible story.

Lauren (69:30)

So here we go.

Chandler (69:31)

I mean, trigger warning. You might want to take this out.

Heather McDonald (69:34)

Okay.

Chandler (69:34)

But a 14 year old boy had a relationship with an AI and he.

Heather McDonald (69:40)

You know, like, but he didn't know his AI.

Chandler (69:42)

He knew it was. He knew his AI, but the AI was saying, yeah, like if you like come to me sooner, like let's be closer together. And he took his own, you know.

Heather McDonald (69:51)

Yeah.

Chandler (69:51)

Because he wanted to be closer to his AI. And the. I was encouraging him to do it. It's a. I think it's character AI is the app. And now the mom is in a lawsuit with this app. So it's just, it is a brave new world. And I, I feel like the people who have these AI pass, they're just going to have it harder with an actual real life suitor than someone who's too dependent on their. Has a too high maintenance dog.

Heather McDonald (70:13)

You know Kate Casey. You know Kate Casey. She told me that she asked Chat GPT or AI, whatever. Why does Watch what Happens Live only feature male podcasters?

Chandler (70:28)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (70:28)

Or mostly male podcasters and not female podcasters. Like I've only been on once in the last 13 years. And you know, and the people they have on are great. But I, you know, and it said because the males have more of a snarky attitude towards the shows which match Watch what Happens Live. And the women podcasters go deeper into the female narratives and storylines and they report on it from that angle, which is so interesting because I had said that to Kate and I. Have we talked about it and I go like, I'm always like, gosh, why wouldn't you want another female's opinion of why we can relate to not being in your friend's wedding and we can relate to the divorce and da da, da, da. And the guys are just gay and snarky and can do a quick one liner. And they don't really get why women act crazy or why they can't let something go because they're not women. They're just not women. But they love the entertainment and they are entertaining podcasters. But I just, you know, I just thought that was so interesting sometimes that they, that they, that the thing can pick up on stuff. And then there's other times where I just said, I just watched the worst show on Netflix, Sirens, and I think that was written by AI AI. But there's no way. I mean, I'm sure there's a writer on it, but I just wonder how much. And maybe it's even from a book. I don't know. But it was just came off lame.

Chandler (72:00)

But yeah, the writer actually did it. I mean, I feel like when it comes to if that's true about Watch what happens live, it just makes sense in the same way that like all this, all the Sexes in the city characters were kind of shallow and surface and it was this very strange view of women because it was written by a gay man.

Heather McDonald (72:15)

Yeah.

Chandler (72:16)

And I feel like it's the same thing. Maybe Andy Cohen isn't that interested in like going deep on the female psyche. I mean, most men aren't that interested in like, women's life experiences. I feel like in their actual inner world.

Lauren (72:26)

Yeah. And they want these snarky soundbites, you know?

Heather McDonald (72:29)

Right. And it's just like, I don't. I've said it and I. And I know it. Cause in raising men, it made me understand my husband. Like, like, if you want to understand your husband, raise a boy. And then you're like, oh, what did it teach you? It just taught me that that's what your brain is different and that's what they think. And they're not always being insensitive. And, and it's not that they don't love you and it's not that they don't care. They're just not women.

Chandler (72:57)

They're just not, like, they're just not women.

Heather McDonald (72:59)

They're just gonna. They're just, they don't. It's like they approach friendships differently. They approach all these things differently. They approach they, they approach love differently.

Lauren (73:07)

You know, like, it's all like less personal.

Heather McDonald (73:10)

Right. And it's. And then your talents are different too. It's like, you know, if, if in any relationship, it's like, I know like what my husband is really good at and it's all the things I'm not. And it was all. I was like, oh, good, this will be like a good person wants to return shit and like organize the finances and do all the things that I want to do, you know? But then there's times where I'm like, God, why are you not getting. Just say I look pretty, say I'm a great mother. Why aren't you saying it? And da, da, da. And there's other men that are very complimentary and like, that's their dynamic. But then there's other times where I'm like, you know what? This is just him. And also he's a guy. Yeah. I'm not in a relationship with another woman, so it's like, wow, you might.

Chandler (73:56)

Have just like unlocked a lot of things for me. I might not need to. I don't need to go to therapy anymore. I think I just figured out a.

Heather McDonald (74:02)

Lot because I just remember like one time my son being like, he was like 13 and he was like, oh my God, mom, why? You know, when are you gonna stop being afraid of this person that was like my former boss? And I go, oh my gosh, like, I just want to be a 13 year old boy. They just. And when people say, yeah, why female founders? Why? No, but why? Men are like better in business and stuff like that, sometimes it's like they just are not as sensitive. They take the rejection differently. You know, there's just things about it.

Chandler (74:36)

Like they don't want to talk about a single text for four hours. Which, when k. When my husband and I were first together, he would hear me on the phone with Chandler and he'd be like, you guys need mental help. Like, you guys have talked for four hours. Like, this is the most dramatic thing in the world about a single text a guy sent her. And it's just they. The brains are just so much less dramatic.

Lauren (74:54)

Honestly, I probably still had more to say after that four hours.

Chandler (74:56)

True.

Heather McDonald (74:57)

Yeah, it's just. Yeah. I would say that's as being married for 25 years. That's what I would say is like, don't lose sleep over. Cause guess what? They're not. They're dead asleep snoring next to you. They are not like waking up going, honey, I just, like, you just seemed like, irritated with me last night, and I just want to know why. They're like, what? I'm not going anywhere. What's your problem? Let's just go. Have fun tomorrow, like, whatever, you know, like, da, da. And you're like, if my friends could see the way he spoke to me, they would. If I had a camera in here, they would be like, run to the hills. And they probably would. And hence why some things shouldn't be shared and why every marriage and relationship is different and you can't compare it. Cause when, you know, women love to say, I would put up with that. I don't know, like, get whatever. Like, that's why I'm always like, you know, yeah, maybe. Would I put up with cheating? I haven't had to, thank God. But one time when I was asked, I was like, no, because there aren't enough other great things. Like, the thing I like is that he is a loyal. Like, he is loyal and all that stuff and entrusting. So if I'm gonna lose the trust and I'm not getting a private jet, right? And I'm not giving a thousand compliments and doting over me, but to me, the trust is the only way I could wake up in the morning. So. But I understand why some people can justify mistrust or not think it's that big of a deal or let them have their side piece as long as I'm the one. So that's a different marriage than mine. It can't be compared. Or somebody that's like, oh, my God, you know, they don't sleep in the same bed every night. I think having two bedrooms is a luxury, right?

Chandler (76:42)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (76:42)

Like, why, you know, like, it doesn't mean someone. You know, like, whatever someone has. And I feel like that whole thing. Let's normalize. I think it's like, you'll need to normalize that your marriage isn't someone else's. And, like. But I do love analyzing other people's marriages. It's my favorite thing to do to wonder why. Like, to have me see a celebrity and go, I think this is why they broke up. But I'll never know. Nobody ever knows. And then I found out. Oftentimes, I was wrong.

Chandler (77:06)

Oh, really?

Heather McDonald (77:07)

Sometimes I'm wrong.

Chandler (77:08)

What do you think about speaking of, like, marriages? I'm curious what you think about Taylor and Travis now that they are at two years not to move or not to move forward?

Lauren (77:17)

We can move forward.

Chandler (77:18)

But I am curious what you think about.

Heather McDonald (77:19)

I can move forward with this. I, like, forgot about Them. I mean, I talked about them so much, and I was like, I mean, if this was a series, like, it jumped the shark, and I stopped watching. Like, I watched the first three seasons, and now we're in season six, and I stopped watching. But that's okay. That's their life. They don't need to keep it entertaining. For me, I have said from the very beginning I do. I thought it was real. Obviously, it is. I think that they will procreate, get married. My biggest fear was that he liked to be in front of the camera too much and sing and dance and all that and, like. But I kind of feel like maybe they've been quiet because of the Blake Lively stuff, but I have enjoyed not opening up my page six and seeing those two brothers getting articles written about them every day. Like, I am like, ugh. I like. I. I. Maybe because it's not football season, right? What is it? I love that they're, like, not in the news. Instead, we got Dave Portnoy. But, like, other than that, like, I just don't know why we need to, like, have those people being reported on, like, every day.

Lauren (78:33)

I think that Travis would have done great with dad talk. Like, he.

Chandler (78:37)

Sure.

Lauren (78:37)

He loves the camera, loves a brand deal. Oh, but dad talk is what the men on secret lives of Mormon wives refer to, like, their.

Chandler (78:44)

Their group as.

Lauren (78:44)

It's very embarrassing.

Heather McDonald (78:45)

Oh, okay.

Lauren (78:47)

They'll get together and do tiktoks. You'll see in the season.

Heather McDonald (78:50)

Well, yeah, again, you got to do what you got to do.

Lauren (78:52)

Guess so. But. But I agree with you. I think that was the most unattractive thing about Travis was the amount of, like, serial partnerships we were getting and just carmax ads. Like, yeah, actually didn't do a car max.

Heather McDonald (79:03)

I can't blame anyone. Everyone should take what comes their way. But I was just kind of like, you know, and then. And then. Yeah, and then maybe. Maybe he will get tired of it and just, like, want to do the thing, but I don't know. What do you think's taking so long?

Chandler (79:17)

Well, it's such a good question because there's a new exclusive scoop that apparently they're saying that it's after football season, after this next season, then the conversation about getting engaged will be. Will be center stage. And I just think, you know, 35. Like, it's. I think that conversation is probably earlier than three years into the relationship.

Heather McDonald (79:39)

I'm surprised. I was afraid she's gonna lose interest. Like, I believe, as you know, Aunt Heather, who knows all. I think the best Relationships or the best success. And you know what? Half of marriages fail, so there is no success. But I kind of feel like there has to be that momentum. Like if you do meet an appropriate age, not 15 and you know, and you know, so you meet at whatever post 25, date for a couple years and then the engagement has to come or if you move in, then the, and then once the engagement comes, you got to get married within two years. Like, I don't think you should have a five year engagement. I don't. Like, things have to feel like a progression and I feel otherwise, you know, you're gonna, someone is gonna feel like not valued or they're gonna get over it. Like, I think it was so fun. She got to live her life of like, you know, I'm finally in the bleachers. You know, I'm not the dork that everyone made fun of. I'm now finally dating the football player. And I just wonder if she's gonna get tired of it and want something different.

Lauren (80:52)

I, I know this is where I struggle because I, I also feel like they make a great match in a lot of ways. But to me, I don't know that I could sit across the table and have dinner with Travis Kelce for the rest of my life. You know, I.

Chandler (81:04)

Listening to the New Heights podcast, I.

Lauren (81:06)

Just think he's just, he seems like a really nice guy.

Chandler (81:09)

I don't know.

Lauren (81:10)

I just think that she wants someone who's more broody and like, with a little bit more like dark artist energy.

Chandler (81:16)

I feel like she's done that. I feel like she's had Joe Alwyn, she's had Matty Healy, she, the guy, she's had Jake Gyllenhaal, the guys that are so smart.

Heather McDonald (81:22)

I also think that when you've had a lot of guys, whether it's promiscuity or long term relationships, I, I feel like for certain people, they're like, I'm good now. I just, I, now I just want this dude. Yeah. Because I want a good dad. And there's no doubt that he is going to be into being a dad. Like, you can just tell. So if that is something that really she values and she, you know, is like, great. Like, I don't, I don't need to like have that. I already had that thing. And. But yeah, I think as well, I.

Lauren (81:59)

Definitely think they're talking about marriage because I don't think you spend Mother's Day with both of your moms. Both moms. Unless you are very serious. Like, they just had A, they were spotted at brunch for Mother's Day and it was like her mom and his mom. I just think that's like indicating that, you know, the families are blending, that you're pretty serious.

Heather McDonald (82:16)

I think whatever they have will be like the surprise thing. Like she'll say, hey, it's Travis's birthday. You know, it'll be some other event or, oh, I'm, you know, having an event. It's for something else. For my best friend. It's something. It's not even gonna be an engagement party. That is actually, we're getting married. It's gonna be something and then it's going to be surprise.

Lauren (82:40)

It won't be the Jeff Bezos Lauren Sanchez Italy wedding or they're renting out the whole town.

Heather McDonald (82:46)

No, it'll be like something like, you know, important. Like she wants everybody there. Like she'll. Maybe she'll. I don't know.

Chandler (82:52)

But I just don't even know that they can get away with that.

Heather McDonald (82:54)

They, they still won't be able to get away with it. But I think it won't be like, if I was her, I would want the Lauren Sanchez let's milk this out for two years. But I think maybe she wouldn't. So I'm thinking if she has it, it will be something like that, that she will have the fabulous dress. It will be a stunning day. It will have all the elements.

Chandler (83:17)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (83:18)

But it won't be something where people can write a million articles and get clicks off of leading up to it.

Lauren (83:24)

Well, what it reminds me of like Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jr. And they're like, you know, they gave everyone like, I think 10 days notice or something. It was just all very secretive and kind of last minute on purpose so that people, the wrong people didn't know about it. I could see them at a different time also.

Heather McDonald (83:39)

And then they. But they also had like at an island and the little chapel looked small, but it still was, you know, a multi million dollar wedding because you had to get everybody there. But you still could have like that simple vibe of like I just put my hair in a low bun little bit and wore a satin dress and just my signature red lip and. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chandler (83:59)

I, I feel like I love those, by the way. I love those places. I feel like where they're just so like kind of like Hamptons esque places where it's just, it looks so simple on the surface and you're like, that is actually a 10 million dollar house.

Heather McDonald (84:10)

Yeah.

Chandler (84:10)

You could never afford actually. Yeah. Point. No, I think. I think I agree. She'll have that. That vibe. And I think that she will fly everyone to an island. It'll have to be super last minute, just somewhere that people like paparazzi will have to take planes to get to, because otherwise, like, if you saw her at. At Jack Antonoff's wedding, within three hours, there were just storms of people.

Lauren (84:33)

It was, like, scary.

Chandler (84:34)

It was scary how many people just descended upon this wedding to see her just walk across the street. So she's gonna have to make it super clandestine.

Heather McDonald (84:42)

I mean, I really do feel she is, like, the closest to, like, a female Jesus to, like, millions of millions and millions of young girls as a.

Lauren (84:54)

As a follower of her teaching. So, yes, I would agree with you. You know, she is a female Jesus.

Chandler (84:58)

Yeah. I mean, we pondered if that could be true.

Lauren (85:02)

I think I've studied her words more than I ever studied God's words.

Chandler (85:05)

That's for sure.

Heather McDonald (85:06)

Yeah, I mean, I think it is. I mean, I think she is authentic. Authentically her, she is a genius. And in, like, planning her life, I think, yeah, this guy comes from the right family. Got a good relationship with the brother. He wants to be a dad. The football's gonna end. The podcast is Gwen to the Heights. It's got the level. It's. He's not gonna become more famous than he is.

Chandler (85:31)

Right.

Heather McDonald (85:31)

Are gonna be dying for him more than they were a year ago. Like, it's good, but it's not. There wasn't a crash and burn. But, you know, I think we're, like, moved on a little. The craziness.

Lauren (85:41)

And now we have Kylie's podcast.

Heather McDonald (85:44)

Kylie.

Lauren (85:44)

Kylie Kelce, right?

Heather McDonald (85:45)

Oh, this wife, Lauren and I love.

Lauren (85:49)

To muse about how Taylor Swift's engagement.

Heather McDonald (85:51)

I haven't listened to it yet.

Lauren (85:55)

But we always think that, like, Taylor Swift's engagement ring will be so fugly. Like, it's got to be like a birthstone or something. It'll be like paradox. And I can say that because that's my birthstone. Like, it's just not going to be like something beautiful and classic. Like, she's just gonna make it kind of cringe.

Chandler (86:09)

I mean, Heather, do you know she has weird style? Like you. I don't know if you follow her style, but she kind of has, like, weird fashion.

Heather McDonald (86:14)

I just remember that one video that people are like, this is his girlfriend. When she did that dance. Like. Like that one video where she's like, it's just a really unattractive, like, because she's tall. Like a really unattractive like dorky.

Chandler (86:26)

She's in the one legged suit. Is that the one you're talking about?

Heather McDonald (86:30)

Yeah. It's bad stuff. Yeah, it's bad.

Chandler (86:32)

No, she, she's. She obviously is a genius in so many. But I think sometimes as like a, you know, as she visually presents herself, she makes interesting choices.

Heather McDonald (86:39)

Yeah. Wait, I wanna just go back to some of the other ways to meet somebody. Send his mother a birthday card. Really good idea. If you're his girlfriend. Brilliant idea. I mean, I would die. I would die. Do you see?

Lauren (86:57)

I like 95.

Heather McDonald (86:59)

Wait, what's 95?

Lauren (87:01)

If you're widowed or divorced.

Heather McDonald (87:03)

Yeah, go ahead. If you're widowed or divorced, don't constantly discuss your former husband. I agree.

Chandler (87:09)

Don't tell them what your clothes cost. That is good wisdom for sure.

Heather McDonald (87:12)

Definitely. Yeah, try. That's. I still feel people. Yeah, try to be low maintenance. Try to appear to be low maintenance.

Lauren (87:19)

I like, find out about the girls he hasn't married. Don't repeat the mistakes they made.

Heather McDonald (87:25)

So good.

Chandler (87:27)

There was one that's. If your mother's fat, tell him you take after your father. And if your father is also fat, tell him you're adopted.

Heather McDonald (87:34)

I love it. But I feel like these times, like with my mom, like the story is like. So she was a co. She was a copywriter and was working in advertising. And it was like the Mad Men era. And my dad was like 10 years older. And this guy's like, well, if you're looking for a husband, you gotta check out Bob McDonald. He's 34, he's Irish Catholic, which is my mom, and he's making more money than he knows what to do with or something. So then my mom like, you know, was like, oh, so they went on some dates and then. Wait, I'm trying to think. Then she. Oh, she felt like he wasn't like following up. So she had like a Jewish lawyer that she was dating and she wasn't going to marry because he was Jewish, you know, Catholic, whatever, back then. And so then she called him and was like, I think I would like to, you know, pursue this again. And so then she made sure that he knew that she was out on date with someone else. And then when they came back from the date, he was like sitting on the steps, like with his briefcase waiting for her. Yeah. And then I said to my dad, I'm like, dad, why were you like, so weird about mom? He goes, well, you know, like on our first date, she's like, would you like to see my yearbook? And he's Like, I mean, I'm 34. I graduated from college. I was already in the Marines. Like, I'd killed people. Like, I was just like, what? Like. And then. So then one year. So then later on, many, many years ago, my sister and I, when we're, like, teenagers, we find my mom's yearbook, and we start reading all the entries, and they're all like, you know, you're so gorgeous. You're so brilliant. You're like people, like classmates writing this. And then I go, oh, my God, mom, this is your writing? Yes.

Lauren (89:19)

She had signed to herself.

Heather McDonald (89:20)

She'd written stuff to herself and then wanted this guy to, like, read it to see how great she was. But he was, like, turned off.

Lauren (89:28)

Wait, that should be number, you know, 194.

Heather McDonald (89:31)

And then the best part is, so then they get engaged, okay? After only four months. And, you know, she's a virgin. They're not having sex. He's not spending the night. And he's like, 1959, whatever. And he goes, I want to see you. Like, you just, you know, just gave her the ring or whatever. And he's like, let's go out to breakfast. And she's like, oh, I can't. You know, he's like, I'm around the corner. She's like, I can't. I just washed my hair. And he goes, I don't care about that. Come.

Chandler (90:00)

Well, oh, my gosh.

Heather McDonald (90:02)

Back then, like, I don't know, like, it was a big deal to have, like, frizzy, ugly hair. And so, like, her hair was, like, frizzy, and she's talking to him, and she's finally relaxed, and she's finally. She goes, I finally could eat. You know, like, I wasn't eating during the dates. So she's, like, chowing down the food. She has curly hair. And then he goes, you know what? Maybe we need to, like, rethink this. Oh, no.

Lauren (90:23)

At the breakfast date.

Heather McDonald (90:24)

At the breakfast date, it was like.

Chandler (90:26)

Cody with Christine and the nachos. A flip switch.

Heather McDonald (90:30)

Yeah. From Sister Wise.

Lauren (90:31)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (90:32)

So then.

Chandler (90:32)

Oh, my God. So what happened?

Heather McDonald (90:33)

So then she's like, oh, my God, screw you. And then she went to, like, a religious retreat for a weekend where you, like, couldn't speak. And then he picked her up and was, like. Picked her up after and was like, you're the one. I'm like, I love you. I'll marry you. And dah, dah, dah. Then it gets weirder. So then they go to the church to go get their, you know, get married there. And the Priest is like, oh, and what year were you baptized? And she says, whatever it was, and he can't find it. And he can't find it. He can't find it. And she's like, oh, well, Maybe it was 1936 and 1937 or whatever, whenever she was born. And my dad's like, wait, you lied about your age? Stop. By one year. She lied about her age by one year because she thought that at like 23, 24 at that time, that was like, you're entering old male territory. So she just scraped off a year, but he was already 10 years older than her. So then he was like, what have you lied about? Like, all this, like, whatever. They lasted until they died. But still, I mean, this. I kind of love all this stuff because I do think there's things. What were you gonna say? Which one do you love?

Chandler (91:44)

Oh, I was just gonna say a lot of these just say how to lie in certain ways to make yourself look better. And that worked out for your parents. So.

Heather McDonald (91:51)

Right. I mean, truly.

Lauren (91:53)

That's amazing.

Heather McDonald (91:54)

Don't talk about how many children you want.

Lauren (91:57)

I think. Wait a little bit on that maybe. I don't know.

Heather McDonald (92:00)

I think only if he asks.

Chandler (92:03)

Yeah, it's probably not something to bring up right away.

Lauren (92:04)

Maybe shave one off like your mom did with the year.

Chandler (92:07)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (92:07)

Yeah, It's a good call. My mom said she did want six, but she only had five.

Lauren (92:12)

I can't. I don't know how our moms did it.

Heather McDonald (92:14)

My dad would say, well, you and your sister, the reason we have you is. Cause your mother couldn't read a calendar.

Lauren (92:21)

Cause she was doing, like, cycle tracking.

Chandler (92:22)

Like, made you feel really good.

Lauren (92:25)

Stop.

Heather McDonald (92:26)

And then I thought that she could still get pregnant when I was, like, 15. And I would know, like, the days they had sex, because I'd, like, need a check for school or something. And their door would be locked. And I was like, mom, I know you still get your period. You know, if you get pregnant, like, the chance of you having a healthy baby. I'm like, why are you not thinking about this? And blah, blah. And finally she was like, oh, my God, your dad got a vasectomy and do not tell anybody. We found a Catholic priest in San Diego that would, like, forgive them for it.

Lauren (92:55)

Because that's bad. You can't get a vasectomy.

Unknown (92:57)

No.

Lauren (92:57)

Interesting.

Heather McDonald (92:58)

Well, at least back the. Yes. It's still the rules. We'll see. What our new Catholic Chicago. Our new Catholic priest. What? Our new Chicago church. But I don't think that stuff's gonna. I don't think they're gonna address that stuff. Clip and mail him a funny cartoon. That's. Just send him. Send him a meme. Send him a reel.

Chandler (93:16)

Send him a meme.

Heather McDonald (93:17)

Send him a meme or a reel. Oh, my God. Point out to him that the death rate of single men is twice that of married men.

Chandler (93:26)

Fear is a good motivator, I think, in life in general.

Heather McDonald (93:29)

I mean, I think I knew this one girl and they. She and her husband were married. He was a writer with me. And she. They were like Jewish New Yorkers. And she was like, please. I mean, I was like, no, you're marrying me. And that's that. And he was like, okay. Like, I do think some men, like, if you just say this is what's happening, they'll be like, all right. Like, I don't know. It's. Sometimes it's not going to be the most passionate thing. Oh my God. Ride the airport bus back and forth from the airport. No, that you do not need to know.

Lauren (94:00)

Losers are on that bus.

Heather McDonald (94:01)

Yeah. Back then. Yeah. Carry a camera and ask a strange handsome man if they wouldn't mind snapping your picture.

Chandler (94:08)

That's not like a terrible.

Heather McDonald (94:09)

That's not a terrible idea.

Chandler (94:11)

Cause it's kind of plausible.

Heather McDonald (94:12)

So you always have your phone.

Chandler (94:13)

Yeah. You strike up the conversation. That's a good idea. And I think you're so right. I do think that there are a lot of men who are great and who just need to be directed and that will go with your direction. So I do think it's like up to women sometimes to kind of carry.

Heather McDonald (94:28)

A tow chain in the trunk of your automobile. If you see a man with a flat offer to fix it. Just to be funny, I guess, and then advertise for a male co. Owner of a boat.

Chandler (94:38)

I like that one.

Heather McDonald (94:39)

I like that too. I thought, when I first saw this, I thought it was pretend like you want to buy the boat, but you really don't. But then you know that someone has that kind of money.

Chandler (94:49)

I think. Are you thinking that this means think I like, pretend like you are own like you want someone to buy your boat. Because I think the same thing. Like you're looking for a male co owner, someone to buy a boat with you.

Heather McDonald (94:59)

Right.

Lauren (95:00)

I think that's also a great tip for friends, for finding friends. Like if you want to, you know, start looking on a boat, look for friends or just have the boat thing.

Heather McDonald (95:09)

You know, Somehow a TikTok came up and it was Monaco. Like at right now. It's like the yacht parties and it was just mega yacht mega, you know, and the people partying and I'm like, yes. Like, I do think if you and your girlfriend have some money or save up, like, and that is the goal is to like, let's see if we can meet some rich people. You should plan like all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And you could probably, I mean it would make a great movie of like, you're welcome AI like two girls where it's like, you can do that luxury stuff. You don't need to get the fake Chanel things. You just do the quiet luxury of like, you know, buy quints, you know, the cash or the silks, whatever. And you really dress the part and you know everything about it. And then you go to these places and see what kind of connections you can make. Right.

Lauren (96:08)

You get some like revolve outfits and then you line up your girls weekend with the Monaco yacht, whatever.

Heather McDonald (96:13)

Yes.

Lauren (96:14)

Moment.

Heather McDonald (96:14)

And you're just strut around, strut around and yeah. And then like be a little mysterious about your background.

Chandler (96:21)

And the problem with this is you really do the money part. It's like this is the thing that most girls just can't pull off because they're like working, you know, they can't go to Monaco for two weeks and just like hang out by the docks.

Lauren (96:33)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (96:33)

And then you'd have to stay like, well, where are you staying? But you would, you'd have to stay at the nice hotel.

Chandler (96:38)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (96:38)

Maybe you could put four girls in a room. But you have to stay at the nice hotel.

Chandler (96:43)

You have 10 days of PTO. You know, it's just, it's a little.

Heather McDonald (96:45)

Tough to continue a modern day tip that I've seen. This is like, if you're like looking to like meet somebody, go, you know, and you're somewhere, go and have your morning coffee at a fancy hotel lobby. It'll cost you like 10 or $12, but Starbucks costs you 7.

Chandler (97:06)

True.

Heather McDonald (97:07)

And you're now like seeing it and feeling it and possibly could meet someone that's staying at that nice hotel.

Lauren (97:14)

Right.

Chandler (97:14)

I thought that there was a tip in here that's kind of goes along with this that said learn to golf and start golfing. And I think going to golf clubs, like getting lunch at the golf club, that's a great, like really nice golf clubs go there.

Heather McDonald (97:27)

I agree with all of that. I do think guys don't necessarily want to golf with their girlfriend. So I mean, I'm just saying they like to have their time with their guys. But I think If. Yes, if you're in that world.

Chandler (97:40)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (97:41)

And you can be invited to those things, right? Yes. You're gonna be with a certain level of people that you know. Too bad you guys are already married. I know.

Lauren (97:51)

I feel like you used to do something when Lauren was saying, we're not.

Chandler (97:54)

Giving away my secrets.

Lauren (97:55)

Lauren used to do a lot of tricks. Like. Like when you go to, like, Newport and, like, go to Nobu there and get, like, read or something. I feel like you did weird stuff like that.

Chandler (98:02)

I mean, I think I. I think I tried to do that, like, a few times. I would try. I remember I went to, like, Water Grill in Costa Mesa, which is not even that nice. That's just kind of how low rent. My. My worldview.

Lauren (98:12)

It's kind of a Cheesecake Factory. A little bit.

Chandler (98:14)

Yeah. Anyway, the guys who approach you just are creeps.

Lauren (98:17)

I know. That's the problem.

Chandler (98:18)

It's never who you actually want.

Lauren (98:19)

The hot guys, I feel like, never approach you. It's like the guys who are, like, your dad's age.

Heather McDonald (98:24)

I think the girls need to approach the guys.

Chandler (98:26)

Yes, I agree. I agree.

Lauren (98:28)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (98:29)

I think that they need to approach the guys because I think guys are also. They don't want to be perceived as a creep at all, especially the younger guys. So. And they don't want to, you know, and if they do and then they're told I have a boyfriend, it's like.

Lauren (98:43)

So what would you have them say? What do they say? What's your line when you go up to a guy?

Heather McDonald (98:47)

If I was a young girl, you're at Water Grill. I'm at Water Grill. I see some young guys, like, having a steak dinner, and they clearly all, like, work at the same place. I'd say, excuse me, I've never been here before. And what is your. I need to hear tell. I want to hear from each one of you, like, what kind of steak I should get. What is the best steak?

Lauren (99:09)

Okay, cute.

Heather McDonald (99:10)

And then they could talk on that tomahawk, whatever. And then whichever the cutest one is, be like, that was the one I was going to get. But I think it's, you know. And then be like, okay, well, thanks for the tip. And then she leaves. And then all the guys are like, no, you need to talk to her. She's interested.

Lauren (99:26)

Yeah.

Chandler (99:27)

This is just.

Lauren (99:27)

And then you send him a picture of the steak, and you're like, I loved it.

Heather McDonald (99:30)

Cause, you know, when girls go in big groups, guys are never gonna approach you. When you have those big girl nights, you never meet Anybody?

Chandler (99:36)

Never.

Heather McDonald (99:37)

But, like, there are groups of guys that go out after the golf, after the whatever, and they have, like, some liquid courage in them, but they still might not approach you. So why don't you approach the table of the guys?

Lauren (99:52)

Right.

Heather McDonald (99:53)

Provided you don't go with all of them. No, but, like, I don't know. I don't know. I just think. That's what I think. I think that girls. There's no shame in, like, going.

Lauren (100:04)

And then if.

Heather McDonald (100:04)

Let me get your number. And then follow up. And if they don't ask you back, who cares? Like, I just think otherwise, everyone's just. Nothing's gonna happen.

Lauren (100:10)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (100:11)

And we're gonna run out of babies. Just kidding.

Chandler (100:14)

Apparently, that's a risk.

Heather McDonald (100:15)

It is. AI boyfriends carry a hat box. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wear a band aid. People always ask, what happened?

Chandler (100:24)

It's a good conversation starter.

Heather McDonald (100:26)

That is. So no one asks, wait, what's 39?

Lauren (100:28)

Have your father buy some theater tickets that have to be got rid of.

Heather McDonald (100:32)

Why is it written like that? Yeah.

Chandler (100:33)

Stand in a corner and cry softly. Chances are good that he'll come over to find out what's wrong.

Heather McDonald (100:37)

Absolutely not in this day and age.

Lauren (100:40)

Cry on Instagram.

Heather McDonald (100:43)

Someone's like, crying. They're like, next thing you know, the police come. That guy over there called a 5150. He's doing his right thing. See something, say something.

Chandler (100:52)

Right.

Heather McDonald (100:52)

And now you are trying to convince someone that you were just trying to meet a guy because you listen to Juicy Scoop.

Lauren (100:58)

No, you can't get out of the hospital for three days.

Heather McDonald (101:00)

Sisters. Tell everybody where they can get more of your fun. Podcast.

Lauren (101:06)

We are at Pop Apologists on Instagram. Anywhere you can find a podcast. We have a Patreon. We have. We are, you know, we have our subscriber episodes. We're out three times a week.

Chandler (101:18)

It's true. Pop apologist.

Lauren (101:21)

Pop apologist.

Chandler (101:21)

Thank you so much for having us. This was so fun.

Heather McDonald (101:23)

And then I never. How did you meet your husband?

Chandler (101:26)

Oh, I met my husband on Bumble. Yeah. But we went to high school together. We were graduating the same class. We didn't know each other in high school, and we met when I was nice, 27, and he was 26.

Heather McDonald (101:36)

That's nice. When there's, like, you know, you know who they are, but you didn't, you know, and there's a familiarity. Yes. So that's good. And you.

Lauren (101:44)

A blind date.

Heather McDonald (101:45)

1. A real blind date.

Lauren (101:46)

A real. A real ass blind date. Yeah.

Heather McDonald (101:48)

And you didn't know.

Lauren (101:49)

I Had stalked him on Instagram, in all fairness.

Heather McDonald (101:51)

Well, then that's not a blind date.

Lauren (101:52)

Well, but I hadn't. I didn't reach out to him.

Heather McDonald (101:54)

No, I know, but that's not a blind date.

Lauren (101:55)

It's like a loosely blind date. But we had like, like a.

Heather McDonald (101:58)

But a blind date. I mean, you knew what he looked like.

Lauren (102:00)

I know. Yeah.

Heather McDonald (102:01)

So a blind date.

Lauren (102:02)

A blind date.

Heather McDonald (102:03)

Mine was a blind date.

Lauren (102:04)

Okay, So I.

Heather McDonald (102:05)

And I had no way of someone sending me a photo to say, do you approve this person's face or not? I just had to be described. I had the guy setting us up be like the Peter guy that, who's my husband, kind of looks like that guy over there. And I got. All right, that's like fine.

Chandler (102:19)

Cause there's no phones to show the right.

Heather McDonald (102:20)

No, there were no phones. There was no like text whatever.

Lauren (102:23)

Right.

Heather McDonald (102:23)

That's crazy. I still like that it was a human setup. Right, but you still did all.

Lauren (102:27)

That's true. It's true. I did approve of his look before we went on the date. But yeah, we lived in. We lived in different places and then we did long distance and then I moved to New York for him like seven months in, which is kind of like embarrassing now to admit. But whatever, it's fine.

Heather McDonald (102:40)

It's all worked out.

Lauren (102:41)

It all worked out.

Heather McDonald (102:42)

And anyway, you guys are great. So follow them, follow their show. And thank you so much for coming all the way. Thank you so much again soon.

Chandler (102:51)

So fun.

Heather McDonald (102:52)

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