Bachelorette Lawsuits, Mormon Wives Move to CA with Zack Peter

Summary

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Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Bachelorette Lawsuits, Mormon Wives Move to CA with Zack Peter
Date: March 24, 2026
Guest: Zach Peter

Episode Overview

Heather McDonald is joined by pop culture commentator Zach Peter to break down the latest, wildest scandals in reality TV, focusing mainly on the Taylor Frankie Paul Bachelorette controversy and its explosive ripple effects across Hulu, ABC, and the “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” universe. The episode dives deep into the legal fallout, on-and-off camera drama, potential lawsuits, and dramatic cast shifts, before touching on Bravo updates, reality TV crossovers, and other celeb headlines.

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Key Discussion Points & In-Depth Insights

1. Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette Scandal & Fallout

• The Incident:
  • Taylor’s 2023 domestic incident with baby daddy Dakota resurfaced after TMZ obtained and released the shocking video, originally sealed from the public.
  • “She was playing whack a mole with him. I mean, he was like dodging. He was like the Matrix dodging the bullets.” (Heather, 03:24)
  • The video included Taylor throwing metal barstools, one of which hit her daughter—visible “goose egg” injury reported.
• Probation & ABC’s (Mis)Judgment:
  • Taylor had plea-bargained her original felony charge to a misdemeanor, was on probation, and ABC was allegedly aware (06:43). Her “good behavior” was supposed to last until August.
  • “ABC moved forward with her because her team probably convinced them she wasn't going to mess up before August.” (Heather, 07:46)
• Why the Show Yanked:
  • Series of escalating, violent incidents between Taylor and Dakota; recent allegations of new assaults in front of their kids triggered cast and corporate walkouts.
  • Mormon wives reportedly refused to keep filming (“We’re not filming until this gets resolved!” Heather, 08:25).
• Social Media Reactions:
  • Divided, with some defending Taylor based on perceived manipulation by Dakota (“DARVO” concept), others disturbed by the actual footage.
  • “People are judging the release of the footage more than they're judging the behavior on the footage. That's my issue.” (Heather, 11:15)

2. Legal Battles & Contractual Fallout

• Possible Lawsuits:
  • ABC may sue Taylor for violating her morality clause.
  • Taylor’s team argues, since all arrest details were publicly accessible, she didn’t “hide skeletons” and “didn’t breach her clause” (Zach, 30:42).
  • Contestants considered lawsuits for a “toxic work environment.”
  • “She should get her full payment no matter what. They hired her. She took that time away from her family.” (Zach, 31:05)
• The Men’s Frustration:
  • Filming for months with the promise of exposure ruined (“If you were there for the right reasons... what do you care if it never airs?” Zach, 31:22).
• Media and PR Fallout:
  • Taylor’s public post-scandal statement framed herself as a silenced victim, contradicting her prior full-transparency approach.
    • “You've never remained silent, ever. So now you're acting like some quiet victim that's been not telling on Dakota.” (Zach, 18:52)

3. Ramifications for Cast, Franchises, and Spin-Offs

• Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Split
  • Main cast splintering: some moving to California to reboot, others dealing with divorces and restraining orders.
  • “We already saw them looking to cast Mormon wives that live in Southern California.” (Zach, 39:04)
• Southern California Move:
  • Hulu/Disney considering relaunch with CA-based Mormon wives, hoping to avoid further Utah-linked drama.
• Bachelor/Bachelorette Franchise Shaken:
  • Rejected show has ripple effects—potential for “Paradise” spin-offs for contestants.
  • Unique “Utah requirement”: Any winning suitor must move to Utah due to Taylor’s kids and custody arrangements (29:05).
• Comparison to Bravo’s “Reality Reckoning”
  • Bethenny Frankel’s class-action suit parallels drawn with the current ABC/Hulu legal mess.
  • “This could be the real, reality reckoning that Bethenny Frankel was trying to get us to buy into.” (Heather, 31:41)

4. Toxic Cast Dynamics and Personal Accountability

• On Taylor & Dakota:
  • Both Heather and Zach are clear: Taylor’s violence is indefensible, despite a history of mutual toxicity and manipulation with Dakota.
  • “She's never owned the victim narrative. She's constantly referred to herself as the aggressor.” (Heather, 19:06)
• Public, Cast, and Producer Complicity:
  • Many argue producers, networks—and even cast—ignored red flags for ratings.
  • “It makes for a horrible potential mate ... but it makes for great TV and that's what it is. We all know it's for great tv.” (Heather, 20:31)
• Cycle of Fame & Drama:
  • “Men are her addiction and relationships. She’s like a love addict, and she keeps getting caught up in that cycle. —She’s a fame addict.” (44:12–44:22)

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5. Broader Reality TV & Pop Culture Headlines

Vanderpump, Bravo, Housewives, and More:

• Vanderpump Era Fading
  • “Nobody's watching this Vanderpump reboot... they're trying so hard to shove it down our throats.” (Zach, 62:34)
• Housewives Shifts
  • RHOA, RHOBH, RHONJ re-cast and drama updates; skepticism about spinoffs' viability.
• Bravo Legal Headaches
  • “Lia McSweeney lawsuit is about to get real juicy ... Andy Cohen text messages are coming next.” (Heather, 32:09)
• Reality TV Crossover
  • Hulu/ABC smartly cross-pollinating reality stars—e.g., putting Mormon Wives on DWTS, Bachelorette, etc.
    • “That's why they kept Nick Viall a part of that world.” (Zach, 65:23)

Celebrity & Social Media Moments:

• Justin Timberlake DUI Footage Breakdown (49:23):
  • Footage reveals model celebrity cop interaction, protective entourage, and a funny comparison to past Heather anecdotes.
  • “Of all the celebrities who have been arrested for a DUI, very nice. Like, he was great. He was not bad.” (Zach, 50:07)
• Chappell Roan & Fan Encounters
  • Public/celebrity boundaries discussion following a viral incident at a Brazilian hotel. Most celebs “want to have their cake and eat it too” (Heather, 59:17); advice: “Don’t want to be seen—stay in your room.”
• Lizzo’s Body Positivity vs. Ozempic Era
  • Debated the body positivity movement’s new vocabulary and Lizzo’s controversial music video meeting her “former self.” (84:41–85:14)
• Meghan Markle & Netflix Flop
  • “With Love, Megan” cooking show bombed; Netflix left “millions in the hole.” Satirical takes on Markle’s career moves (87:36–88:53).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Taylor’s Probation Gamble:
  “All she had to do was just stay with, you know, not abusing anybody, allegedly, until August.” (Heather, 07:46)
• The Double Standards of Domestic Abuse:
  “If a woman is in a domestic violence situation, you know what? Because you told your husband, get a job, you deserve to be hit? Like, what are you talking about?” (Zach, 09:29)
• On the Viral Video’s Impact:
  “When the video comes out... Now you're not playing anymore. You know, it's like video. You just can't deny it.” (Zach, 15:20)
• Taylor’s Shifting Victim-Narrative:
  “You have not. You've done multiple guest spots on podcasts telling your story. You've never remained silent, ever.” (Zach, 18:52)
• Handling Fame & Public Scrutiny:
  “She’s got the Internet in a chokehold ... her new victim narrative really contradicts the accountability she took for this before.” (Heather, 34:59)

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Important Timestamps

• Taylor Frankie Paul incident recap: 01:16–04:25
• Legal details, ABC’s stance, and other cast reactions: 05:53–09:03
• Debate on public reaction and gender bias in domestic violence: 09:09–14:59
• Details of the dropped Bachelorette season and fallout: 16:13–29:05
• Lawsuit talk, contracts, and potential claims: 29:36–33:33
• Comparison to Bravo/Reality Reckoning lawsuits: 31:41–33:33
• Mormon Wives moving to Southern California: 38:50–41:21
• Vanderpump franchise winding down: 60:39–64:21
• Notable tangents: Justin Timberlake DUI, Chappell Roan incident, Lizzo body positivity, Meghan Markle’s Netflix failure: Selected throughout 49:23–90:00

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Conclusion & Takeaways

This episode offers a raw, unfiltered look behind the scenes of reality TV’s latest implosions. Heather and Zach skillfully balance humor, skepticism, and genuine concern as they navigate the convoluted, often exploitative world of network reality and influencer fame. They critique conflicting narratives, legal murkiness, and the unending search for ratings—without ever losing Juicy Scoop’s signature snark.

Bottom Line:
If you missed the headlines (or just want the juicy details distilled), Heather and Zach serve up everything from the Taylor Frankie Paul scandal to Bravo's future, always reminding listeners what’s real, what’s ridiculous, and what’s probably coming next.

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Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Then I'm just catching everyone up. Then TMZ received the video on Thursday of her incident that did get her arrested. It was a felony, which then I think was down graded to a misdemeanor. We no one had ever seen this video of when she was physically attacking Dakota baby daddy number two. And she was throwing metal little bar stools that would be on like a kitchen island.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. She was playing whack a mole with him. I mean he was like dodging. He was like the Matrix dodging the bullets.

[Zach Peter]

He's got his phone on, he's filming it. And in throwing the second chair that we saw, it hit her daughter, who appeared to be off the camera but on a couch. In the report, it does say that the little girl had a goose egg on her head. And we knew all about that. That is how the series began. That was the opening scene of, you know, that she was arrested. They go on to have sex. Not have sex, be together, be jealous, be cheating. Da da da da. And I mean, I'm watching the show and she has already agreed to be on the Bachelorette in around episode four of season four. She also meets this cute guy on TikTok that she picks up, by the way. I just thought that was like there is something weird. You're picking up a guy you've never met before. You're also filming a show.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And like she had not a speckle of makeup on. Not that she needs a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

But she's wearing like baggy sweats and like an ill fitting T shirt.

[Heather McDonald]

That's her style.

[Zach Peter]

I know, it's kind of interesting.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm not into that style, but it's kind of interesting. I mean, I guess I don't even know if she was really into the dude or it was just for the cloud and the TikTok and the story.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But yeah, it's.

[Zach Peter]

So then she brings. So then she finds out that he slept with somebody while the dad talk people went and did a episode of the New Villa that's coming out where they're in England and she gets on the phone with him and she's screaming at him and she's crying and she's like, did you finish? Did you come? Did you. And then later on she's in another episode, she's Telling the girls I like to hear. Turns me on to hear all the different positions he put the girl in. And I'm like, what? Sick. So then that's who they choose for the bachelorette.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And they do it. And I'm like, once I saw the video, I did. I put out an Instagram and TikTok video where I was like, I predict they will not air this. There's just no way. And later in the day, they said, we're not airing it. They. There's video of them guys climbing up in Hollywood and taking down the sign of her. And so much else has come out. I mean, what was your initial thought? And we'll just walk through all the news articles. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I think people are getting confused because they're like, well, this was 2023. This happened a long time ago. We heard about it. We saw it on the show. But it's the fact that there are new allegations that came out. So it was the. And it was actually two nights that she had allegedly assaulted him. It was the 23rd and the 24th. Yes.

[Zach Peter]

Okay. What do you know about that?

[Heather McDonald]

So I. I'm assuming it had to do with custody of their son ever and, like, transfer of custody of, like, okay, it's your turn, or whatever. I don't know if they were sleeping together or back together or whatever, but they had contact. And it was, I believe, the 23rd that they first got into a fight. He then allegedly tried to call the cops. She told him, no, no, no, I'm so sorry. I love you. It was the doorknob, whatever. And then she leaves. She came back the next night, and then that's when she allegedly choked him. And she left scratch marks all over his neck. And then it was that next morning.

[Zach Peter]

Choked him with a necklace?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Zach Peter]

So I assume he was wearing a necklace and she was pulling it.

[Heather McDonald]

Pulling it from behind or something. And then he had scratch marks all over his neck. And that's when I think his friend. We don't know who the friend is. Could be Jordan. It could be dad talk. It could be somebody. But the friend saw the scratch marks and then called the. The. The police. And then they came over and took a report. But as of right now, there. There hasn't been an arrest or any charges that have. She's still currently on probation from 2023. So there were multiple charges that were brought against her back in 2023 for that incident. And then they. She took a plea agreement. So she took a plea deal to reduce it from a felony to a Misdemeanor contingent on her completing her probation, which was supposed to be lifted this August. So she was so close to being off probation, had she just continued good behavior. But that's why I think ABC moved forward with her.

[Zach Peter]

Interesting that she's on probation, but she was able to film in LA for all those months. I always thought probation kind of meant you had to kind of stay in the air, but maybe not. Well, I think it depends.

[Heather McDonald]

I think it depends on the actual crime and what your probation terms are. Whereas her, she can argue that work takes her into different states. Yeah, but. So abc, yes, was aware of all this, but I think her team went to ABC and was like, she's on probation. She's not going to do it. She hasn't done anything in the last two and a half years. She's not going to do anything to jeopardize losing her kids or violating her probation, because then it goes back to a felony if she doesn't complete her probation, which was set to be up in August, so the whole season would have aired and everything. And all she had to do was just stay with, you know, not abusing anybody, allegedly, until August. But I mean, whatever happened between the two of them and their toxic cycle, clearly she did it again. And so that's what then. So it was news of her assaulting him again. And then I guess the wives, the other Mormon wives, they then told Hulu, we're not filming anymore. Whatever the details that they heard from that incident were. And it did happen in front of their son. Ever similar to, like, what happened in 2023 in front of her daughter. This time it was in front of the son. And so the other wives were like, we don't want to film right now until they figure out what's happening with the two of them if there's going to be an arrest, if there are going to be charges. So they all called and I think they had a meeting with the Disney executives and said, we're not filming until this gets resolved. And then that's what then prompted everybody to dig up the 2023 arrest and recirculate all of that.

[Zach Peter]

So of course, everybody was like, you know that our team. Taylor is like, Dakota is a narcissist. He's also this thing called Darvo, which is like, deflect, attack. I don't know what all the words mean, but, like, basically it's, you know, how to push your buttons.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I just. That really me off because I feel that's very gender biased. If a woman you know, is in a domestic violence situation. You know what? Because you told your husband, get a job, you deserve to be hit.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You know, like, what are you talking about? You know, and so what, that he filmed it? Do you know that Nicole Brown Simpson had those Polaroids of her abuse that she put in a safety deposit pot because she was like, I'm too scared to tell anybody now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

But maybe one day. So the fact that he. If he did release it to a friend, TMZ or whatever, and he decided then to do it, it wasn't just Shine. I don't think you can think he's a piece of shit. I don't think it was. I. I'm jealous that she slept with 24 men or whatever he thinks. I. I don't want. I wanted this to ruin her reputation. I think what happened was the incident on the 23rd and the 24th happened, and he was, you know, he's thirsty. This is his job. He's reading all of it. And people were still defending her and going after him. He knows how to push her buttons. He's awful. He's making her crazy. Da, da, da. And I think because of that, he was like, it's time. Somehow this video gets out. Either he gave his friend. Now the friend wrote something saying, we did not give it to tmz, but there's a TMZ watermark on it. Meaning unlike the footage they have, which we'll get into about Justin Timberlake.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

That they don't own that of Justin Timberlake being pulled over.

[Heather McDonald]

Correct.

[Zach Peter]

Technically, they own this now. So that tells me someone gave it to them. Gave them the rights to it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Maybe there was some money exchanged. And if he did. I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

He's.

[Zach Peter]

I don't know. You know, other women would probably do the same in that position.

[Heather McDonald]

I think it's unfair to. I think it's. It's strange that people. People are judging the release of the footage more than they're judging the behavior on the footage. That's my issue. Because everybody that's defending Taylor and I get it, they have their theories and their speculation of, like, well, we don't know what he did beforehand and we don't know which.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, like, remember P. Diddy? Puff Daddy said Cassie accused him of cheating and took all of his clothes, and that's why he had to go in the hallway with just a towel on and. And beat the shit out of her to get his bag of clothes. That's what she allegedly did before. So do we think that she deserved that. You know, like, who cares if. Of what he said or did before? She was. It wasn't one time. Yeah, he was, stop, stop, stop. And she would not stop.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

She would not calm down. And even when the daughter cries, she wasn't like, oh, my God, I didn't even know my daughter was in the room. What the fuck is wrong with me? She wasn't. She didn't tend to the daughter. She didn't say, I'm sorry, baby. She didn't call the cops. She didn't call a doctor. She didn't get an I pack. She was in this rage. And whether that rage can be helped with, you know, mental facilities or drugs or whatever she needs to do, but the thing like, are you kidding me with that?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, not only that, but every. I get. Everyone has their, like, theories about what he could have done or whatever, but just sticking to the facts of what happened that night, because we have video evidence of it. We have body cam footage of. Of them that night and their telling of what happened. That. And yes, she does say that he pushed her. He pushed her into some toys at some point in the night. But there was a police investigation. There were. There was an arrest. There were charges. And she, before a judge, pleaded guilty to doing this. And not only that, but has since gone on several other podcast interviews talking about it and saying, I was the. I was the aggressor. And the evidence showed that in court. Those are things that she has admitted. So even if you want to ignore what the. What the video shows and the objective evidence of what actually happened that night, but then believe women, believe her when she says, I'm guilty and I'm the aggressor.

[Zach Peter]

Right. She does say this. On this one particular podcast that. That this person puts together, Katz Chat, she says, as we know, I was trying to attack him and I assaulted him. End of quote. Next quote, there was enough evidence there that I was, like, the aggressor. And I was like, yeah, I was. She also says. She also went on another podcast, sitting there crying, explaining it all, saying, it's not like, you know, it's not like it was all him. Like, I was guilty of it. Like, she very. And I think that's why people do love her, because she does. She tells everything. She is honest and vulnerable and everything. And so they knew all this. I mean, when you go on one of these shows, whether you're gonna be the host, contestant or the Bachelor Bachelorette, they look into everything. This one guy said they found a time that I got a jaywalking ticket in college going to a bar. You know, certainly there's been times where producers have missed something, whether it's a 90 day fiance person or something. And they're like, oh, my God, we realized his former girlfriend had a restraining order against him. So they make sure there's none of that. But she's such a commodity with bringing the new audience of Secret Wives of Mormon Wives lives to it all the her demographic, her. You know, no other bachelorette was going to bring 8 million, you know, followers and all this other stuff. So they obviously. I don't think they ever saw this video because he had it. Yeah, so they did go off of the reports and then it was down. And listen, when we watched it, I didn't think that she was throwing chairs,

[Heather McDonald]

not to that degree.

[Zach Peter]

I thought they got in a wicked fight. They maybe threw some stuff at each other and that's really bad. And the daughter somehow was present. I never thought it was that. And I mean, this happens with men, you know, and it's like an NFL player gets accused of, you know, gets arrested for hitting his wife or whatever. And he gets, you know, there's been cases, okay, you can't play in the next two games. And then the video comes out where he's throwing her across a room with a baby in the corner and it's like a rag doll. Well, guess what? Now you're not playing anymore. You know, it's like video. You just can't deny it. But I'm like, you know, now there's so much going on with this girl. This was like on like Thursday night or Friday. Her name's Jay the Fade. And she said, I don't think they even shot the Bachelor. They did shoot the Bachelor. Bachelorette.

[Heather McDonald]

Bachelorette.

[Zach Peter]

She was kind of like, there was a time where everyone was going crazy and she was like, I don't even know. Cause they were showing some of the dates and stuff that she actually did go on. Wait, hold on.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, they filmed it.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, like she went and went to a football game with her guy, one of her dates. And you know, they did a Chippendales thing in Las Vegas.

[Heather McDonald]

And then when she picked a guy.

[Zach Peter]

And then she picked this guy Doug, who is.

[Heather McDonald]

And now he's like a singer.

[Zach Peter]

He's a singer. Our friend, unpopular Jacques, he. He posted that. You know, he obviously they got engaged. He, like, wished her well before the video came out. He's like, oh, I wish her well. And then they obviously broke up.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think they broke up. Like, a month after filming, and then

[Zach Peter]

I was in the airport. Cause I was on my way to Salt Lake City this weekend. I mean, the blessings that I got to be doing stand up in Salt Lake City four shows, which was so fun. Thank you for everybody who came. And to be able to, like, talk about this on stage as it was happening, because it just was so juicy. But I saw that she was the COVID of Us Weekly. Now, I have not bought a magazine in years. It was $7.99 and only 60 pages.

[Heather McDonald]

Wow, that's expensive. I remember there being like, $4.99.

[Zach Peter]

Anyway, I bought it.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Zach Peter]

And I read it. And obviously this was an interview that she did probably over the phone prior to this scandal. And she's. They all knew, like, everybody. One of her questions was, they said, oh, you talk about your mental health a lot. How is that? And she goes, yeah, it's like a chemical imbalance thing. And it doesn't have to do with anything that's going on. It can just happen. And that's the hard part about it. So I was like, oh, my God. And then there was another part. How did you know? Are you in love now or something? She's like. Or someone would ask and she's like, well, let's just say it ends in a very Taylor way. So you know that she's not with the guy. And then she's back with Dakota, and then she's fighting with Dakota. And I thought it was amazing. And I don't have the quote here, but the first quote that she did after the video came out where she was like, thank you. I'm not going to stay silent any longer. Women in my position need to know what it's like when you're dealing with a narcissist and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, silent. You've been on TikTok for five years. You have the biggest platform. You've told everything.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You have not. You've done multiple guests spots on podcasts telling your story. You've never remained silent, ever. So now you're acting like some quiet victim that's been not telling on Dakota. Like, you just saw it.

[Heather McDonald]

But that's what people actually appreciated and liked about Taylor. Frankie Paul is she was so open and honest and transparent, and she did take accountability. She downplayed a lot of the details. When you look back at some of those interviews now, and her and the mom are like, my daughter was never injured. And, like, you can clearly see the chair. It's a little girl. Like, the chair Flies in the girl's direction. And then she starts screaming, crying right after that. Or they're like, oh, the charges were dropped, but it's like, some of the charges were dropped, but it's because you took a plea deal. So there. They downplayed some of the. The claims. But she does take accountability, which is why it was so jarring when she then issued that statement where she's suddenly a victim who's, like, not going to be silent anymore. It's like, you're right. She's never been silent, and she's never owned the victim narrative. She's constantly referred to herself as the aggressor. And again, she pleaded guilty before a judge. She's on probation. So it just. To me, it's conflicting. And nobody likes when you lean into the victimhood narrative after we see the footage of what actually happened. And I think a lot of people, including the Mormon wives, I think they all knew details because some people are like, oh, well, if you watch episode one, season one, you'll see Whitney says something about throwing chairs and how we're not all like that. And. And. And she does make a comment because they address the scandal. But I'm like, I don't think the girl. I think the girls knew the details the same way. Like, we kind of knew details, but I don't think any of them saw that footage until recently. I think that had been buried in evidence for a long time.

[Zach Peter]

Scene with Demi talking to her, and she's like, oh, yeah, let's. Why don't you stop hurting people? And she's like, what? And she's like, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Talk to Dakota. So it's like, kind of putting it out there, you know, it reminded me of the season of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills when Camille Grammer says to Taylor, your husband hits you. And now we've said it. And I always feel like Camille saved Taylor's life. She put it out there. It forced Taylor to face it, to get divorced, and kept her away from him. When he got to a place where he ended his own life, who knows if she would have stayed with him? And I'm not saying that's what Taylor is capable of, but sharing it and telling it and putting it out there is the right thing to do because it's like. And I get why the Bachelor corporate people, Bachelorette were, like, excited about this. You know, it makes for a horrible potential mate. Someone that has her background, makes her life on social media, was a swinger, has three kids, and two baby daddies and she's not even 30 yet. You know all of it. But it makes for great TV and that's what it is. We all know it's for great tv. It's not. Are you here for the right reason? None of nobody's there for the right reasons. One of the things when it comes to exercise that I am focusing on on right now is muscle building muscle, maintaining it. And that comes with strength training. But I really didn't know what kind of exercises to do and I also get bored and that is why I'm so excited that I found Ladder. It is so great. Ladder is an expert strength training plan. I put in what I was looking for and I got my own coach and she's great. And it really does, it does make it so fun. I feel like I'm really seeing some great progress. Also, there's a great community behind it. Your team has a group chat where your coach answers questions and members motivate each other. Remove the guesswork with Ladder and get a real coach in your ear telling you exactly what to do for every workout. No thinking everything is planned for you. If you have an iPhone and head to Ladder Dot Fit slash Juicy Scoop and take a quick quiz to find out your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link to get a free 7 day trial with no credit card and $10 off your first month if you join. You guys know I love quality over quantity. That's why I love Quince. I want to show you my new item that I'm wearing right now. It is a navy T shirt. I love their T shirts. High quality. More than just a casual T shirt. The way it lays on my body where the V is. Everything is perfectly cut. And also Quince works directly with safe ethical factories and cuts out the middlemen. So you're not paying for brand markup or fancy retail stores which I absolutely love. Just quality clothing. Stop waiting to build the wardrobe you actually want. You don't need a closet full of options. You need pieces that work right now. Go to quince.com juicy for free shipping and 365 day returns. That's a full year to wear it and love it. And you will now available in Canada too. Don't keep settling for clothes that don't last. Go to q u I-n c e.com quince.com juicy for free shipping and 365 days returns. That is quince.com juicy I thought this was interesting. This somehow this got out reality. Steve showed this and it was how many times Taylor Paul had called him at 3:44 in the morning. There was 118 times. I don't even know how you can.

[Heather McDonald]

150.

[Zach Peter]

150.

[Heather McDonald]

150 total.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, and this is all one night?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That was just back to back in that.

[Zach Peter]

Do we know what day this was?

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Zach Peter]

I'm guessing this must have been something that involved that he was like I am going to show the video or something because her other. Her husband who she has two kids with, he said I never saw that video. If I had it would have changed everything. He since has gone to the court and gotten a restraining order and asking for full child support. Dakota has ever their child together, the two year old boy. And I think till herein comes April 7th. She can't see him at all until April 7th. And you know, but he's posting videos of him being dad of the year and it's like, dude, yeah, just stop.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Just. You don't need to prove that you can make your son laugh. Like let the kid just be with you. Like he doesn't need a camera shoved in his face, a phone while he's not seeing his mom. Like.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And like he's not a great guy. Dakota is done a number of terrible, awful things on the show. We've seen his pattern of behavior. But like right now, what are all the awful things?

[Zach Peter]

Just cheating.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's like cheat. And you can see like when they argue, like he, he, he does know how to antagonize her and he does know what buttons to push to get her fired up. Because I think that like turns him on. I think they get turned on by how feisty they can make each other get. And so, and we've seen this toxic pattern of behavior. And he's a womanizer and he lies and he slept with the mom's friend. And like he's done.

[Zach Peter]

All right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah, he's done. He's done.

[Zach Peter]

Also, there's a. Also they end up in bed together and the cameras catch it right before she's about to do the Bachelorette.

[Heather McDonald]

Bachelorette. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then supposedly, then she comes back from doing the Bachelorette where she was engaged. And then what I think happened is she got with him because you know, you have these. The other thing about it, there was photos of she meeting with Doug before they canceled it all together.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And that is very suspicious to me on the network's part because in the past it is so unlock and key. Who won whatever that they go to some secret Airbnb Maybe once or twice during the time so that they can spend time together. And I remember there was one Bachelorette or Bachelor where they like, broke up or something while they were at this Airbnb and they had to bring in the cameras and it was just like of what happened and it was juicy. But anyway, they cannot be seen out together at all. And the fact that somebody caught them hanging out, I just thought they were like, I don't know what their plan was, but the network was obviously scrambling to either keep our interest, still run it. I don't know. But normally in the history of all of the Bachelor Bachelorettes, no one's ever caught the winner and the person together prior to the show airing. Ever.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, also, you have to factor in nobody's ever held the position of Bachelor Bachelorette that, like, the public has cared about where she's the first, like, famous person to hold that. That could be more believable that the paparazzi may catch her. Even though I don't think many paparazzi are following Taylor, Frankie, Paul in Utah. But they are. Now. They are. Now they are.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, I. So I thought that was really interesting. Of. Now, of course, people are saying the Bachelorette men are being considered for the Bachelor in Paradise. That's what they told them. They had a big zoom call when they said, we have something to tell you. It's never gonna air. And. But stay nice.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because you might be get to go on Bachelor in Paradise. And this could go. I mean, all these guys, obviously, you know, they went to go be thirst buckets. They went to go have a part of. The other thing that said in that Us Weekly magazine is that normally when we watch the Bachelor in Bachelorette, it's always like, well, you live in North Carolina and I live in California, but I've always wanted to be a Southern girl. That's if you and I are dating and there's the talk of like, well, where would you live? And sometimes they break up because they can't decide on a place to live. In this article, she tells the reporter of Us Weekly, all the men knew that if they ended with me, they 100% have to move to Utah because I have three kids and two baby daddies. So all of these guys knew the end result was to go to Utah and get on dad Talk.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And be on Secret Lives more and wise and start their supplement company and launch their album.

[Heather McDonald]

Their ep.

[Zach Peter]

Their ep and also their personal training stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Whatever it is, whatever they're into doing. Having a detailed car business. I don't know, but that's what they were going to do. And so the thought is, okay, well, maybe we'll use you for something else. But then the Bachelorettes, Devin Strader and Sam M. Are beefing them in. Taylor, Frankie's, Paul, fallout. I don't know. I guess they're fighting about something. But I also. People are like, are. Are they getting ready? Could they sue?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, there was a report that there are, I think, five guys that are banding together that are considering suing ABC for a toxic work environment. And then there was a report that she's trying to sue or she's considering what options she has to sue the network for. Because how these shows typically work for somebody in Taylor's position. Right. Where they, I'm sure, promised her a chunk of money for doing the show, but they usually give you a piece in advance, and then they give you the remainder after the show airs. Cause like, when there's a cash prize for a show, you typically don't get paid out until after the show airs. So I'm assuming. And we heard the ABC was probably going to sue her for breach of contract for violating her morality clause. But now there was a report that came out that says her team is fighting back against that, saying that she didn't violate her morality clause because all of the. The video included, even though nobody had ever seen the video, all of the details about the contents of the video were publicly accessible. There was no skeleton in the closet. There was no. Nothing that she had hidden from the network, like they had already known about

[Zach Peter]

committing domestic violence again in February would violate it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, but their argument to that is those are currently being that there's no charge and there's no arrest. They're unsubstantiated claims that they pulled the show too early because she's claiming that he was the one that was abusing her.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, I think they have the right to pull the show no matter what. Yeah. She should get her full payment no matter what. They hired her. She took that time away from her family.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You know, because her kids come first.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Zach Peter]

And so there. I don't think there's any claim there. I don't think there's any claim for the men who are on it. Because the whole point was you to find love.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

If you were there for the right reasons. You didn't find love. What do you care if it never airs or not?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You know, of course they were there.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, no, they're suing for toxic work environment because they're saying that their safety was jeopardized by allowing her to be on the set with them, not because

[Zach Peter]

they couldn't get their extra hundred thousand followers and get a.

[Heather McDonald]

But I. I think that this could be the real, you know, reality reckoning that Bethany Frankel was trying to get us to buy into.

[Zach Peter]

I wonder that, too. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because, I mean, look at what happened to Ultimate Girls Trip, and look at what's happening to Housewives right now with the Liam McSweeney lawsuit and the Caroline Manzo lawsuit and the Liam McSweeney lawsuit is about to get real juicy because now that it's moving into discovery and now, like, all the Blake and Taylor text messages, the Andy Cohen text messages are coming next.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, that's.

[Heather McDonald]

Now that he's a defendant in this, all that discovery is going to get pulled out. And if he. We thought, you know, the Andy Cohen diaries was juicy. We're going to get to see emails and text messages because it's all gonna be hashed out in public. So that'll hit the.

[Zach Peter]

I wonder which housewife will be redacted. We have black mark in it. And you'll be able to see. Wait, how long is that name? You know, do the carrier pump or. No, no, no. It'd be like New York. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. It's like the footage that, you know, we wanted. People are like, please, I die to see this footage of this show. There's also reports that it actually was a boring season. Morocco. No, no. Bachelorette.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, Bachelorette. Yes, I've heard that, too.

[Zach Peter]

But then I saw an interview with the host, Jesse, prior to it being canceled, prior to the scandal, and he was like, well, this is. She's like no other Bachelorette we've ever had because she's an experienced reality star, but also, she doesn't really know how the show works because she wasn't a contestant that came from it. And I mean, they promoted it to be. She doesn't take any crap.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then she's like, I'm not giving anyone a rose. Oh, I'm pissed at him. And, you know, so she was playing it up, and I think, you know, people were gonna watch, and people would have watched, and I think they waited till the final hour. I mean, they lit. They were. Had the video not come out. Yeah, it was gonna air. So that's why some people think maybe Dakota knew that I have to put it out because I don't want this to air because maybe. Which could make sense. Maybe she even talked more poorly about him on this show that we would have seen, you know, as she's opening up to a guy, you know, maybe she. Maybe he was afraid she was gonna say I was in an abusive relationship, and, you know, he hit me or whatever she was gonna say, and he didn't want that shut down. But it got out there, and it's amazing that, you know, people are like, oh, you're still on your phone, and she's still posting and she's dancing. She's still like, oh, been through. She's, like, doing these dances. And I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, at first, I was fascinated, and I'm like, you know, there's no playbook to what she's going through.

[Heather McDonald]

Sure.

[Zach Peter]

She didn't say the N word. No. She. While singing a song, no one retrieved an old tweet.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

It wasn't anything like that. It's domestic abuse that a woman did. We've seen it with men.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So it's like she's like, the damage is done. I'm gonna keep being famous, and I'm gonna keep going, and I'm gonna just keep being me. And, yeah, she's not saying sorry, and I don't know, maybe that is the right thing for her to do. It's not what I would do. I mean, but listen, she's got the

[Heather McDonald]

Internet in a chokehold. I mean, all the people that are on line right now defending her and being, you know, rah, rah for Taylor, like, it's wild. Especially because her new victim narrative really contradicts the accountability she took for this before.

[Zach Peter]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And even, like, people are like, well, Dakota was just filming that so that he could get back at her and ruin her life. And it's like, you have to remember, this was 2023. This is before Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was even a thing. Like, they weren't even officially filming production. Like, she wasn't the Bachelorette. He wasn't filming it because she was famous on Hulu. She was just some girl on Tick Tock that, like, he didn't think that this was gonna blow up. She didn't have the fame that she has now. She didn't have much fame back then, aside from being a niche little TikTok dancer.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, to throw from Montauk.

[Heather McDonald]

She was an ensemble.

[Zach Peter]

A metal, like, look. You can see one right there. A metal bar stool that. That thing could, like, hit you in the eye. It's not. I don't know how you could prove it's not. Like, what did he say before, throw some of those barstools at me and see if you can hit me, a dumb bitch. I mean, what are you saying? Like, it wasn't. If she was even just kidding him, like, just hits, trying to slap his face or wrestling with him and he was holding your wrists. I think we'd be like, okay, maybe that'd be somewhat understandable. It's the actual picking up of the items of a furniture multiple.

[Heather McDonald]

She threw like, what, three chairs?

[Zach Peter]

I mean, I think she. I don't think TV is ever gonna water. But you know what? Things go so quickly. I mean, Gypsy Rose Lee, Gypsy Rose Blanchard got a TV show. I.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, did you see her on. She's on TikTok now. And she was. She made a joke about killing her mom.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, I saw that. That. That was crazy. So now we get into, is ABC going to cancel Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelor? If they're going to. Which they did. Hulu should do the same for Dakota. When he went on the Vanderpump Villa,

[Heather McDonald]

there's no evidence of him beating anybody up.

[Zach Peter]

I say no. I mean, we've already. They've already. Hulu, Disney has already lost the Bachelorette. There's no reason why they wouldn't show that episode. And that show. The Villa needs that boost. So they're like, no, we're gonna show the dog the dad talk people coming.

[Heather McDonald]

There's no evidence of him being physically abusive to anybody. Like, there's no reason they would pull. Like, his behavior is the same behavior everybody's been watching on Secret Lives and Mormon Wives for the last four seasons.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So there's nothing that he has done recently. Now, if it comes out that there's evidence that he was physically abusive towards her on that February 23rd, 24th, you know, those two incidents, and that does change things, but, like, there's no evidence to support that.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And then. So then Jesse, who's the girl who does a huge hair empire, she has this awful husband named Jordan, and they've had a lot of issues in their marriage. He has filed for divorce. She already. The story is that she was going to do it anyway, and then he beat her to it. But then you said that he just filed for a restraining order against her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So he filed for divorce and then filed for a temporary restraining order. She filed to oppose it, but I don't think a judge has made a decision on it as of yet.

[Zach Peter]

So that's a big mess. I don't think dad talk can survive this.

[Heather McDonald]

No dad talk was already falling apart this season. Dad Talk was already on its last leg. It's done.

[Zach Peter]

And then Secret Lives updates let us know that Zach Affleck, who is married to Jen Affleck, who is one of the girls on Mom Talk, who did Dancing with the Stars, they have three kids. They have moved to the Newport beach area, I think. So has Michaela.

[Heather McDonald]

She's moving to la.

[Zach Peter]

And then who else is there? They. They were already. We already saw them looking to cast Mormon wives that live in Southern California.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. They wanted to do so Kel in Nashville.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. And so I think that they found a couple girls and then this. Let's get the fuck out of Utah. Let's. This way we have a clean break from Dakota and from Taylor. And we'll take the top girls that are willing to move, bring them to la, which they. They love and they want to be here.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And we'll bring in three or four other girls that are already established Mormons in Newport that are thirst buckets too. And then together we have a new show.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. It was. Well, this was before all of. Before Taylor even got the Bachelorette. It was, I think, going to be Jen, Whitney and Demi that were supposed to be the stars of this new one. And then obviously Demi fell apart with the group and like she's off doing. She's like singing. Her and her husband are. They're putting an album out together.

[Zach Peter]

I like your true colors shining through.

[Heather McDonald]

It was so cringe and like nobody knew why they were singing. Like there was no context to join Tom Sandoval. Oh, what you're saying the most extras.

[Zach Peter]

This is our. Basically it's scandal.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

As far as the ex. As far as the frenzy of talking about it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

In our zeitgeist of life, but totally different and way sadder and darker.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because it involved abuse and a child.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And these poor kids. I mean, just like. Yeah, the poor kids. Like, not only is your whole life is being on TV and on TikTok and phones in your face and your whole life and that's what pays for your family and everything. But then, you know, you're multiple men in your life and they're fighting with you and you're all. And you. And the little girl in that article said she wrote me a note. I hope you find your person, mommy. While she's on her Bachelorette. Another person we've already had. She's already had two people.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Now a third one. I'm just like, obviously she wasn't gonna turn down an opportunity to be on the Bachelorette but like the last thing this girl needs to do is date and find a new love.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

She needs intensive therapy and, like, no guy, like, men are her addiction and relationships. She's like a love addict, and she keeps getting caught up in that cycle.

[Zach Peter]

She's a fame addict.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because also, you know, you could probably not make an income for a year or two.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And put your phone away. And then if you really desire to do it after, you could come back and it could be, like, very interesting. I'm sure if they keep. I'd be like, you girls. You go do the show. You make it bigger, bigger, bigger. Taylor, providing she gets her shit together, will always be able to come back somehow.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. She could go take a break, do sound baths in Arizona with, like, Rachel.

[Zach Peter]

With Rachel, Raquel. She does sound baths.

[Heather McDonald]

She does sound baths now.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So listen, she's living her life, but

[Zach Peter]

for her, she's, like, engaged. She's someone that. She did that. You know, Bethany made her do a podcast and she got rid of the podcast. She found, literally, a rocket scientist that she's engaged to. She does her sound bath thing. She's still on social media, but, like, she really removed herself. But what's also good about her situation is the show she was on also went away.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it all.

[Zach Peter]

It all went away. So it's like, it's kind of an easier break, I think now.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think. I don't know how they move. This has to be the last season of the Salt Lake City version.

[Zach Peter]

I think it is. And I think they scrape. That's why they stopped filming, because they're like, let's cut our losses.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Let's stop paying all the cameramen. Let's have them get rid of their apartment.

[Heather McDonald]

Producers wanted the show to keep filming, but it was the cast that said, we're not filming anymore.

[Zach Peter]

Right. And now I think that's why they're like, okay, well, let's just move everything to la. Which we need more filming in la. So I'm okay with it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Zach Peter]

Southern California.

[Heather McDonald]

But I don't know if this cast outside of Taylor, Whitney, like, if they want to save the franchise, they need to build a show around Whitney Levitt in New York because she was supposed to be part of this LA spinoff with Jen and Demi, and then Demi fell off from the group, and then Whitney got Roxy Hart, and so she Moved to New York, but she moved her whole family there because it's become a more permanent.

[Zach Peter]

When does that end?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, it's because they just extended it. And so because she like broke box office records in like the last 29 years, she's had sold out shows non stop. And so she's like. And listen, if anybody can save that franchise, it's Whitney. Even though she's had her own, like, problem. Remember she was like dancing in the nic.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, that was. Had she not danced to her child in the nicu. And Taylor not admitting to sucking her best friend's husband's dick. Yeah, no, she would not be dancing.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, she's hot. I forgive her.

[Zach Peter]

She's good. But I'm saying no one would have known about.

[Heather McDonald]

She's a sucking dick.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, it's like, oh, no, she's a good dancer. Whitney's a good dancer. And you know, and Whitney. And you know, she had, she, she. She can do it. I mean, but a lot of people can do that role, I'm sorry to say. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people have done the role. The role is about a girl who wants to be famous. So they always like to pick a reality star. Somebody who thirsty. But she definitely has executed it. But the, the reason she's selling out is because every. All these young girls watch the show and so they want to see when they do their fun trip with their mom to New York. That's the show they want to see.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So. And I don't think there's a lot of Mormons in New York City that she can do her own version of that or whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

But I mean, it could just be a show an her and her family.

[Zach Peter]

I feel like. Sorry, I don't think there's enough there. I wouldn't watch it. I would not.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm just saying of all of the cast members, she's the only one that can pull an audience. Nobody wants to watch Jen Affleck. Nobody wants to watch Michaela and her skin issues. Like, nobody wants to watch. And she's now getting divorced. And she just posted a thing about

[Zach Peter]

like getting divorced or she's not d. She's like teasing her divorce.

[Heather McDonald]

This morning she posted a video about,

[Zach Peter]

oh, I'm getting divorced. What it means because I'm really in love with Taco Bell, not my husband. So she's teasing the fact that they've had marital issues and their marital issues are weird and sad because she met him when she was 16 and he was 21.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And so you Wonder like. And then she's like, oh, I don't always feel sexy. So you wonder if are there in a weird religious thing where like she. Their women are sort of taught to never turn their husband down sexually. And I mean, it's just. Yeah, I agree.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think, I don't think any of them can hold the show without Taylor and Whitney.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. But I think for Whitney, just fine. I don't need to see her daily life of doing the same show every night with her three kids.

[Heather McDonald]

It could be like Secret Lives off Broadway. Secret Lives of Broadway Wives.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. But maybe she might get tired of doing the play too. Like after like six months she might be like, I'm ready to go to LA and join you guys. Which I think at any time she could just like, I do think Taylor could. Providing the show is doing well or it's not doing that well. It needs a boost. They would welcome them back.

[Heather McDonald]

Whitney's gonna be Ariana. She's like, fuck you guys. I'm never talking to any of you ever again. And she's moving on with her life. Like, she doesn't want to fuck with any of these girls. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

That's why she's like.

[Heather McDonald]

She thought she was better than them from the beginning and now she can really be like, screw this, I'm out. She's not gonna come to LA and film a scene with Jen. Like, poor Jen can't even hold a scene.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. So then we finally we got the video switching gears to Justin Timberlake. Bye Bye Bye. No, that was his song. I always get the Tim in the

[Heather McDonald]

back and sexy back.

[Zach Peter]

So he was. Got a DUI last year or two years ago and he fought to get the cam footage being released, but somehow it was released.

[Heather McDonald]

He agreed to release it as long as they redacted parts of it. So there are pieces of the footage that did not get released to the public. And that was the agreement he made.

[Zach Peter]

Why does he have to agree to it?

[Heather McDonald]

Cuz he was suing them. He was trying to block it. He was suing them to prevent them from releasing it. And then they came to an agreement where they settled and he said, okay, as long as you cut these parts out, you can leave the rest of the parts in.

[Zach Peter]

So he gets arrested and I mean of all that, of all the celebrities who have been arrested for a dui. Very nice. Like, he was great. He was not bad.

[Heather McDonald]

He wasn't.

[Zach Peter]

He didn't want to go. Yeah. He wasn't like, do you know who I am? And that wasn't even Reese Witherspoon. It was her husband who got arrested. And she was the yappity wife making it worse.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And. But she since divorced that guy, so we forgive her. But anyway, yeah, we've seen a lot worse DUI cam footage. And then he had this, like, friend with him, this female friend, who I think is probably just, like an assistant or something, and she was the star of the show because she's just like, what? Stop. You can't. Come on, officer. You gotta tell me you love his music and start singing it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. She's like, do me a favor. Just because you love. Bye bye Bye. And say sexy back.

[Zach Peter]

And then he's like. And then the cop is like, yeah. You okay to drive home? She's like, what? Yeah. And I'm like, I don't think she is. And then he goes, have you had anything to drink? She goes, I'd like a glass of wine. And he's like, yeah, you seem fine. I'm like, I don't think.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think she was fine at all. She looked lit herself.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, my God. So this. Okay, so years ago, I'm like, at the Comedy Store, the improv or something, and I'm hanging out with this comic. I mean, he kind of liked me. Whatever. We're driving home and he gets pulled over and he gets arrested for a dui. And he was driving me home, and we weren't gonna do anything. He didn't know that. But I just wanted a ride. This is before Uber, you know? It's, like, hard to get a ride home. And I was like, so then I did not ask to drive the car home. I didn't. I'm like, I barely knew this guy. He got arrested. I somehow, I guess, got a cab back in those days and went home. My sister kind of helped because she was a criminal defense attorney, but he was. He was so pissed. He was like, it's all because of you. I have no idea who he was. He never made it or anything. But he was, like, basically blaming me, like, if I wouldn't have been driving you home. I'm like, dude, like, whatever. But it's a pretty awful. But. But it was just like that. Like, if I tried to go, wait, hold on, let me get. They're like, ma', am, step back. You cannot talk to him. You cannot. And I was like. So I think. I almost wanna say they. I think they drove me to the police station. They left the car there. They drove me to the police station. And then I think My sister then picked me up or something, and then the next day, he got out, hated me, and I don't know what happened.

[Heather McDonald]

He ruined his comedy career.

[Zach Peter]

I don't know, but it's.

[Heather McDonald]

The DUI was a scandal that ended his career.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. So I thought that was. I don't think it's gonna hurt him at all.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I mean, he was. He was very. I mean, he's lit. He's.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, he's totally lit.

[Heather McDonald]

He's high. I. I think he may have, like, taken a gummy or something, because he. He said he only had one martini and she only had one glass of wine. But they both look pretty blitzed.

[Zach Peter]

And more importantly, sunburned.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, when you.

[Zach Peter]

When you were sunburned and you've been drinking all day, it just does not help. It's like your eye. Yeah, your eyes are bloodshot, matching your burned face. It's a beautiful day in Sag Harbor. Like, I mean, it wasn't good. I want to talk about this. So Chaperone. So there's Jude Law. They brought up Jude Law because it's one of his children. He has seven kids with four different women. And then I looked up. Wait, who did he cheat with? The nanny. He cheated. So he was engaged to Sienna Miller. There was a nanny for his first or second wife. That nanny he cheated with. Sienna broke up with him, then they got back together, then they never got married. But anyway, he has seven kids with four different women, so he should be the bachelor. And he. So his daughter. And he has a famous stepfather who is a famous Brazilian soccer player who's absolutely gorgeous.

[Heather McDonald]

Gorgeous.

[Zach Peter]

And the little girl was 11, and they're at a beautiful hotel, I think, in Brazil. I'm not sure where they were.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it was in Braz.

[Zach Peter]

And Chaperone was there having breakfast, and the little girl gets all excited and is like, I think it's her mom. I think it's her. So she just walks by, and then she comes back to the mom, and she's like, oh, my God, it is her. I think it's her. And then security, who the mom says she believes was part of her entourage, comes over and says, you know, some mean Brazilian man is like, you can't do that. Don't look at her. And you should teach your daughter better behavior. And then she was like, well, then she should be eating in her. In her hotel room, because this is a public place, and we can look at people when you're sitting in a public place. Then the stepdad wrote a horrible thing about What a. She was on social media and then chaperone is at her bed and bothers to a video and was like, look, that wasn't my security. I don't know if that was hotel security or what. I didn't tell him to do it. I do love my fans. I never even saw this girl or your mom. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. And then the mom of the little girl is like, again, not true. This is what happened. And if this person isn't your security or if they're representing you, then you should fire them because this is what they did. And it doesn't look well on you.

[Heather McDonald]

No, here's the thing. I think he may have been hotel security or restaurant security, but he would not have made Chapel Roan a priority if he was not instructed to make Chapel Roan a priority. And I think wherever she goes, listen, she's known to be a bitch and she hates her fans. Like, that's just. Those are objective facts that we've all come to accept.

[Zach Peter]

Well, I mean, I, I. The things that I've seen is that, yeah, I don't think she likes the fandom at all. I don't think she's the person that when someone walks up to them and is like, you got me through cancer. I don't think it's a story she wants to hear.

[Heather McDonald]

No, she doesn't care.

[Zach Peter]

And it could just be. She doesn't care. It could be that not everybody likes that part of being famous. Not everybody.

[Heather McDonald]

Don't be famous.

[Zach Peter]

Right? Not everybody likes to do the meet and greets like you and me. Not everybody likes it. Like, I, I would take people out to eat, like when I would be doing shows, because I was, like, lonely on a Saturday, and I was like, let me, like, treat the, you know, I like to meet my fans. That's me. But I remember even when I was doing that, there'd be times where I'd be at a comedy club and they'd be like, wow, there's a lot of comedians that are, like, actually introverts. And when the show ends, they don't want to talk to anybody. They don't. So I'm like, but again, if that is your deal and you don't feel like being recognized or approached, then go eat your breakfast in your room. I agree with the mom. Like, don't. If you're not in a mood to be out in public and you. And you're just not in a mood, then don't go out. Because if you're a bitch, we will know about it.

[Heather McDonald]

Here's the thing. She still goes to Fashion Week. She still walks the red carpets and does her photos and then hates the paparazzi. She still puts herself in these situations where she's going to encounter these types of interactions. And that's just part of. It's like saying, I want to be in the NFL and then I get mad when I sprained my ankle on the field. It's like, you know, the casualties of the job that you're signing up for. And if you don't want to do that, then, I don't know, be an assistant coach for the NFL. And then you're in it, but you're not on the field. And you still get to feel like you're part of the action. Like, you get to pick and choose which pieces you want to be a part of, but that comes with the territory that you're going to be stepping on. And she. She, listen, she can go back to playing her little guitar on Santa Monica Boulevard like she used to do. We've seen all the videos of when she was a struggling artist and then she blew up and she's become famous and. And continues to do all the award

[Zach Peter]

shows just like the reality stars. I mean, just like Taylor. The blowup is so fast when it's so fast when it's not a traditional, you know, even with some reality star, even with the Vanderpump kids, it was a slow burn to get to scandal. It was 11 years to get to, you know, send it to Daryl moments.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Like, this was so fast for Taylor and as a performer, I mean, even Madonna had. I mean, Madonna blew up, but even her, it was like, still a blow up. Blow up, you know, to a place. It was still a little bit of time. Like, oh, who is this girl? Like, when her first album came out, because of the time it was. I thought she was black. I remember her song, her music. She sounded like a black woman to me. I thought she was black.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

I remember I was like holiday should have, you know, like, it's. I imagined. And then I was like, wait, like that, like, already it was a song and we. You didn't know what she looks like now in this day and age. It's like already, right away, if it's, you know, the video, you know this. So you're instantly, like, so famous. And she became famous so fast.

[Heather McDonald]

She did, but she wanted to become famous.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

She knew what that she was aspiring to be that pop star.

[Zach Peter]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And even now, she can do things to prevent access to the public. Like, there are celebrities that you never look at. Leonardo DiCaprio, you never see him. He always has his face covered. He hates the paparazzi. He wants no part of any of it. And we know nothing about his personality. He knows how to keep his life on lock and key and only interact when he needs to interact with it. He doesn't really walk red carpets. Like, if he goes to the award shows, he doesn't engage. He does his thing. So she can very much do that thing, but she's the type of person that wants to have her cake and eat it too. And it's all about her boundaries and her aura, and you have to respect her space. And this security guard, I'm sure was given some strict rules as to what to do when Chapel Roan is in the room and whether that came from her directly or that came from her team, because her team knows how difficult she is and they wanted to prevent some sort of issue. So they made sure they give the hotel the instructions ahead of time. But that security guard didn't do that out of the kindness of his heart because he was trying to protect Chapel Roan's aura.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, sometimes when there's some. Sometimes when I've gone places in there like, like. And do you want to do this secret back way walk or do you want to. And I'm like, what? Yeah, no, I want to walk out in front, let people see me. Yeah. Speaking of Vanderpump, Lisa Vanderpump has listed TomTom. So the Tom. Wait, so the Tom Tom, which is next to the pump. Pump is still not sold yet. We only have sir left.

[Heather McDonald]

Pump is sold.

[Zach Peter]

Pump is sold. Sorry. Pump is sold. But next door is TomTom. And that was still going, but now it has been listed and this guy posted it. Seth on. Seth on the.

[Heather McDonald]

Seth on the.

[Zach Peter]

Can I get Seth on the. Anyway, thank you for doing that. And it's a celebrity backed nightlife investment is how they said it.

[Heather McDonald]

It's kind of cute. Is Seth single?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, maybe. Looks like he knows about real estate. Yes. Set on the scene. What have you guys bought? Tom Tom together? So anyway. Well, I mean, are we surprised? No, we're not. They're not. I don't think the two Tom Toms are not part of it anymore. They only had 5%.

[Heather McDonald]

Tom Schwartz was still, like, he would still do brunch and he would, like, show up and like, be the face, I think, because Lisa was like, come and entertain the guest. I think so.

[Zach Peter]

Well, we know he's going to be on the Valley.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, yes.

[Zach Peter]

But Tom Sandoval is not correct.

[Heather McDonald]

And even though he wants to.

[Zach Peter]

And so. And now this is over with. I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, unless the show is on and the show is featuring the restaurant and also, like, I don't think, like, nobody's watching this Vanderpump reboot. Like, what, what losers. Like, nobody cares about them. They're both.

[Zach Peter]

I don't even know if, like when people come out, like a lot of people are coming out for my show in May, May 9, and they're like, well, what are we. What should we, you know, what else could we do? And if this was like two years ago, it would absolutely be Sir Pump Tom Tom one day.

[Heather McDonald]

Something about her sandwiches.

[Zach Peter]

Yes, it would be all of that. And it's just like, that's just not relevant because we're not watching it anymore.

[Heather McDonald]

Nobody. I don't. I'm not going to be gaslit into believing that this Vanderpump reboot is the breakout show of the year. I don't know a single person that's genuinely watching it. And. Well, just like second season.

[Zach Peter]

Do you think it's. Because so did New York.

[Heather McDonald]

They're bringing it. They're bringing it back for a third time and they're trying so hard to shove it down our throats. This New York Rooney reboot with Psy and Aaron and I like Aaron. Like some of the girls they at least picked in just so, like, I get it. But like, nobody's watching that show.

[Zach Peter]

It's still very expensive to do a show even if you're paying the talent $2.

[Heather McDonald]

It hasn't been renewed yet.

[Zach Peter]

Vanderpump was no.

[Heather McDonald]

Alex Baskin came out and said it was pretty much that that report came out prematurely and that it had not officially been greenlit by the network.

[Zach Peter]

I didn't even know the other day I was doing my hair and I was like, did they have a reunion?

[Heather McDonald]

They did a three part reunion, right?

[Zach Peter]

A two part.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay.

[Zach Peter]

It was a little bit of a smaller space because it was insert, wasn't it? Yeah. They said this is where we did the first one for the original.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I mean, I hadn't watched it, so I was like, I didn't know what was going on. I just watched like a little bit of it just to see. And I'm just saying, like, absolutely no buzz, nothing. So I'm like, I'd be shocked if it did go and I don't know anything. I think she's good to Walk away. I think she's like, I'm ready to sell all the restaurants, do the villa, and do the Las Vegas stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Vegas is where she's at. And listen, she's smart to do that because Vegas is about novelty. Right?

[Zach Peter]

Y.

[Heather McDonald]

So if you're going to do novelty and lean into that, it's not going to be on Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood. Like, it's done.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, move to Vegas. Because that's where everybody goes. Because they want to go see the Eminem store and they want to go

[Zach Peter]

to, you know, all the different genius thing. It doesn't. I don't think it needs to have a full kitchen. It's just apps and then. And then you get a $25 drink and you're gone in an hour. Next people come in, Turnover, turnover, turnover. It's smart.

[Heather McDonald]

And she can become the name in. Because, like, they all have. They all build. Like, who's it? Hell's Kitchen. They did their own, like. Like spin off different restaurants and stuff. And she can do that. And I think that that's smart. She doesn't need Tom Tom. She doesn't need Pomp. I don't know why she's keeping. She's keeping Sarah alive for the show, but just. I think that's an ego thing of, like, they can't let the franchise die even though nobody cares. It's, like, got zero cultural impact. Like, nobody cares about these people. And so she. But she has Villa, which Villa's at least somewhat interesting thanks to the mom talk.

[Zach Peter]

Because of dad talk. You better believe we're gonna watch it because of dad talk. We wanna know who Dakota fucked.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So then that's one thing that Hulu is doing very smart, is cross pollinating all their shows. They put in the Mormon Wives on. On Dancing with the Stars, and then they try to bring Taylor on the Bachelorette, but that was like an epic fail. But, like, they're trying to circulate everyone. Stassi's getting her own show and she's on Vanderpump Villa. And, like, you know, they're being smart about that. I mean, that's why they kept Nick Viall a part of that world. Cause he came from the Bachelor world.

[Zach Peter]

Like, they're.

[Heather McDonald]

They're smart to cross pollinate, whereas I think Bravo's really bad at that. And they try to gatekeep everything, but in a way that, like, just isn't modern. That, like, they're gaslighting us into thinking this Vanderpump Rules reboot is a success. And I'm just like, nobody's that stupid.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, well, R A P. Tom.

[Heather McDonald]

Tom.

[Zach Peter]

Getting onto Real House of Salt Lake City. Since I was there this weekend, the girls were in San Francisco. So they did not make my show, which is fine. Cause then I could talk about them on Saturday. But anyway, they were in San Francisco and Bronwyn brought her new boyfriend, which she had told me about when I went to the white party at Kyle's and she told me he was like a 32 year old model. And I didn't know how secretive it was gonna be, but now it's not a secret.

[Heather McDonald]

How old is she? She's still young, right?

[Zach Peter]

She's like 38, 40 or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So she's not that far. Oh no, this is great. Yeah. I mean, imagine going from Todd, which basically looked like the guy, the old man, and up.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

To this guy. I mean, I will say when there's some people can think that, you know, Bravo has ruined women's lives and some lives they've ruined. Liam McSweeney would say that she was, you know, had a great life before she was on the show, whatever. I don't know what her case is going to be, but in the case of Bronwyn, I don't think there has been a better trajectory of getting out of like basically a transactional marriage to start where you're a much younger woman and you are. You needed someone to support you and your daughter, you know, and you had that for a few years. But he was a motherfucker and you didn't enjoy him and you didn't like him. Get on a TV show now you have the fame and the career and you get to fuck a 32 year old and you get to bring him on the show and parade him around. Heather Gay, who's been single for five years, who's never had a boyfriend.

[Heather McDonald]

I know Nozepic is getting her fucked. Erika Jayne, this was supposed to be her trajectory. She was supposed to leave ta, she got divorced and then boom. The whole legal scandal crumbled right before her eyes. Listen, Bronwyn's doing it, right? And she's for her. And listen, I think Housewives is dying. I think it'll be done in a few years. I think it's just kind of growing obsolete. And Bravo needs to find ways to keep re. You know, reimagining. And they're trying, right? They did like the hotel show and, and Ultimate Girls trip was great until Caroline Manzo fucked it all up. And then I've been seeing these You've

[Zach Peter]

probably seen these videos since it's not. I did not create the idea, but it was funny where it's like, what footage would you most like to see that we'll never see? Which is the ultimate girls trip Morocco, where Brandi Glanville allegedly, you know, did something with Caroline. The other one was the. The van with Kathy Hilton and Lisa Rinna.

[Heather McDonald]

Aspen. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Post. When they didn't play Michael Jackson at the dj and she was curs. The DJ to sexuality on the way home. And then what was the other one?

[Heather McDonald]

I think I did see that there was, like.

[Zach Peter]

There was, like, two other ones of, like, things. Oh, the plane footage of Meredith and Britney. That. There's no footage of that. But there's. We're not sure there's any footage there. But there was, like, two other ones where I was like, yeah, you're right. Anyway, good for her.

[Heather McDonald]

I would love to. I think we may get Morocco unintentionally if Caroline's. If what happens with Leah's lawsuit happens with Caroline's lawsuit. The issue with Caroline's lawsuit is they're fighting over jurisdiction because it happened in Morocco. And, like, it's. It's tricky. But, I mean, listen, if there's anything Blake Lively taught us, it's that none of your text messages are safe. None of the footage is safe. And all of the Morocco.

[Zach Peter]

If anything ever happens with Bravo, they really go. They just need to start a Patreon.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

People would pay so much. And it's like, all of this stuff, and they're like, I'm done. Yeah, done.

[Heather McDonald]

I'll pay for Cohen. Yeah. Andy Cohen's patriot. But I think we may. So they. From my understanding of the Caroline Manzo lawsuit, they have all of the footage, all the episodes edited. They have the masters, and then they have, like, the raw footage, all of which was. Has been submitted in court. It's just currently under seal. But, like, Liam McSweeney was able to push her lawsuit to go to trial now, and it's gonna be played out publicly. So I'm hoping Caroline pushes a little harder. Cause if we. If they're not gonna air it for us, then at least drop it on the air.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, we know where that's going. What's happening with it with the Carolina and Brandy.

[Heather McDonald]

It's still in hold. Yeah, they're still trying to battle.

[Zach Peter]

So this was just in. Kelly Osbourne is engaged to this guy Sid Wilson. He's a singer. I think they've been together a long time because they have a child who was born in 2022, but they were engaged, and now the engagement is off.

[Heather McDonald]

Off because she lost too much weight.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, of course, you know, after her dramatic weight loss, a lot of people criticize that. That was from New York Post. It said Kelly Osborne and fiance said Wilson, you reportedly split after her dramatic weight loss. Well, she's been, I mean, pretty skinny for a while. You know, who knows why people break up? I, I, I looked at her love life. I mean, she's had a lot of significant others throughout her 40 years of life or whatever she is. I don't know. It is dramatic. It's really dramatic in her face. That's what I think people kind of like, freak out about.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it's very gaunt.

[Zach Peter]

But I want to talk about a little bit about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Heather McDonald]

So I was following Amanda, the manifestation queen.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. And so she told a story on her Instagram that I thought was kind of interesting. And she's like, I want to talk about when you celebrate the haters. So I was going to get some acai bowls for my children in Brentwood, and I had several kids in the car, and I left them in the car. Now I'm hoping that there was a nanny in the car because no one talked about that in the comments. But I was like. And I went. And I was like, I need whatever her little kids names are. I need one acai bowl for this one and the other. And when I walked in, the girl working there was on the phone, and she didn't immediately get off the phone to help us. And when I worked at all my multiple jobs before I was a billionaire, I would always know that the person in front of you is who you give attention to, not the one on the phone. So finally I said, I just wanted a side bowl with just strawberries and chocolate. And she said, do you want the granola? And I'm like, I told you, I want it just with the strawberries and chocolate. It was taking a really long time. So then I had to go back and check on my kids. And then when I came back, I said, could I just get a little more of the cocoa chunks or chocolate or whatever? And she said, that's gonna cost four more dollars. I said, fine, fine. And then what I did, I tipped her $100. Cause that's what you do. What? I was like, okay, wait a minute. First of all, the girl's not a hater.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Zach Peter]

She's a young Gen Z who's working at a place for minimum wage that you're agreeing to overpay for a $25 breakfast for your kid every day. They knew where to put this place in your neighborhood. Because you dumb bitches on your way to drop off will spend that kind of money.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And this young girl is working there, and no. No one trained her. What do you want? She does it. She's not hating on you. She's fucking waiting on you. And she's told if she does another scoop and there's cameras everywhere, she's got to charge her ass $4.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I do think it's nice that you gave her a hundred dollars, because that hundred dollars is gonna mean a lot to her. A lot more than it would to you.

[Heather McDonald]

But it doesn't even go to her. It goes to the collective pot of all of the.

[Zach Peter]

Of the iPad. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you're right. Well, then everybody got it. And since no one saw it and made a video, make sure you go home and let the world know that you're a good tipper, because otherwise it doesn't go in the universe, I guess. Unless you say it and may it take. Make a tick tock.

[Heather McDonald]

She should film herself passing out 100 bills down skid row. Boom.

[Zach Peter]

She probably will. You don't have to go to skim any quick anywhere.

[Heather McDonald]

You manifested money. You manifested money.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, but, I mean, she is the only kind of interesting thing about the show. And I will say that they were. Yeah, so they were in Italy. Did you watch it?

[Heather McDonald]

I did.

[Zach Peter]

And what'd you think of the episode? There was a little action at the end. I'm trying to remember what happened.

[Heather McDonald]

Who's that girl? They put that random lady on the show. Every time I see that random lady, I'm like, who's this damn lady? Lady that lied. She lied about the bows and the mask thing.

[Zach Peter]

That was such a dumb conversation that I was like, you know, on a watcher albums live, they were all like, oh, yeah. It was just. It was a misunderstanding. It's all fine. But, you know, nothing's happening in Italy except for them shopping. So I know the producer probably had to go up to Kyle and go make a bigger deal out of the fact that the new girl said, oh, everyone has masks. Who's Pinocchio? Meaning, who's a liar?

[Heather McDonald]

And then.

[Zach Peter]

And then Bose goes, I don't know, Amanda. Ha ha ha. That was it. Like, Boaz wasn't thinking of.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, it was so insignificant.

[Zach Peter]

It was so insane. So she's like, what? Oh, God. I guess we have to make a big deal out of this. And then Amanda's like, maybe. Oh, my God. I thought that was an earthquake. It was the air conditioning. I was filming the show once when we caught an earthquake. And it was when I had the desk that I got under the desk.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God, I hate it.

[Zach Peter]

It was like a total news moment. Like, I totally. Anyway, so. So she's like, well, I'm from a generation that has boundaries. And I'm like, when you say. When you. If people. People, younger women really do feel about like that. But I don't think it's a whole generational. But I'm like, then the show can't exist.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Zach Peter]

You know, and it's like. But it is kind of interesting. And they're just like, what?

[Heather McDonald]

We.

[Zach Peter]

We have to, like, fight and talk shit about each other. This show is. I couldn't believe it. I went to go look for the episode, and on my peacock, it said 26 episodes. I go, wait, what? And then I realized, oh, no, Watch albums live is in it too. But still, we're on like 13 episodes of not a lot happening. But like.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, it's at the end, though. Cause they just filmed the reunion.

[Zach Peter]

It is at the end.

[Heather McDonald]

So there's only like four. There should only be like four or five episodes left. But even. So, like, what's left in the four episodes? And we've been waiting for the.

[Zach Peter]

Me, I went to the party.

[Heather McDonald]

What party?

[Zach Peter]

I didn't even know they'd be. I did not know they were filming. They asked me to go to a party to celebrate Nikki Hilton's jewelry line. And I'd been to stuff at Nikki's house that was not filmed where she'd have, like, pop up stuff. So I just thought it was another, like, cute pop up thing. And then I was like, oh, they're filming. Like, they're filming the show. Anyway, they then call me and. Because they, I guess, never got a release. So I said, yeah, of course. Like. Like, I'm not gonna be. No. Cut me out of the scene.

[Heather McDonald]

Blur my face.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And so anyway, once again, it's just like, where's Waldo? Like thirsty Heather in the background of a party. But anyway, they did get into it.

[Heather McDonald]

Was this the finale?

[Zach Peter]

I think this.

[Heather McDonald]

It has to be the finale.

[Zach Peter]

I think this is the finale. Something else happens in Italy that we're gonna see.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then. And because they were fighting about Italy with Dorit at this table, and I'm holding back and watching it with Kate Hudson, manager of Britney Spears. He's really good friends with Nikki. Hilden. And we're both just like. We're just watching it and I could hear it and it was just a lot of yelling at Dorit. It sounded like Dorit left them stranded in Italy. I don't know, something happened where, like, I don't know. It's not like she's in charge of a jet, so I don't know how she left anybody. When you've got camera cruise, it's not like anyone could be left like all of a sudden when you're not gonna get in the van. Like, what? You know, but they were just mad at her, you know, I. And they kind of allude like they're getting annoyed that she's late for everything and.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I mean, she is a little annoying.

[Zach Peter]

She's like, late. That's my personality. Not okay. Like, not.

[Heather McDonald]

She's.

[Zach Peter]

Especially when it's a job. And that's why they're mad. They're not just mad. If we weren't filming and we were having dinner and I'm like, like, God, you know, Zach, you're always late. Which. You are the most non late person. Neither am I. But like, you know, whatever. It's like, no, we all had to be here on time.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, we had to be ready.

[Zach Peter]

I don't know. Then she talks about how, you know, they're gonna sell the house on watch. It's live. She said he's bringing the. The foreclosure up and then they're gonna sell it and then she and the kids will find something else. Which is because again, it's sad because, you know she's gonna end up renting because she's gonna wanna live in a glamorous place instead of buying a house. And, you know, here you've been on the show for all these years and what will you have to show for it if you don't even, like, end up owning a home at the end of a 13 year marriage, being on a show for 10 years and I mean, essentially, that's Shannon Beador.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Started off in a $16 million house and is, you know, on the show for 17 years or whatever it is and still just renting. Six years old. It's like, what? It's all. And then the amount of stuff they bought, all of them buying stuff. Bottego and all the. I don't even saying these words right because I don't buy them.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Dorit was just a person, right?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And the most.

[Zach Peter]

She's like, I bought four Gucci purses. Gucci? Really? You need four Gucci purses. What are you doing when you're going through divorce? I agree with Kyle. What the fuck are you doing? I agree with Amanda. Stop fucking talking about him. He's your source of income. You don't want to piss him off. You don't want to be generous.

[Heather McDonald]

Not only that, but if she's going to try to prove in court that she's dependent on his money, then she can't be saying, yes, I bought a Kelly bag with my book advance. Like she can't be flexing about having her own money and then blowing it on all of these things if she's gonna prove that she had some sort of financial hardship as to why she deserves spousal support. Like there are certain things you can do.

[Zach Peter]

I think I'm thinking of is, do you make, is it a better deal to buy in Europe, all this shit? Like, is the dollar that much better or worse?

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think it's that much.

[Zach Peter]

I still don't think you need four Gucci bags.

[Heather McDonald]

No, but. And I don't think the price is that significantly different.

[Zach Peter]

It's not like it would be 10,000 here and it's like 4,000.

[Heather McDonald]

The only reason I know you buy that type of stuff in another country is because there are different items available there that they might not be here. Cuz all of the items are limited. Like with Birkin bags. Like they're so rare and limited. Like that's why you have to like source them and go, you know, get them from here or there.

[Zach Peter]

I feel like that, like I. Where is that?

[Heather McDonald]

Like, who cares?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So yeah, I don't think she needs four Gucci bags and all the clothes that she like. She's just, she's a spender. But that's going to come back to bite her because God forbid she loses housewives. Then what is she going to do?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Or just make sure it's insured in case she gets robbed.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh yeah. Again.

[Zach Peter]

Again. And then. Yeah, so let's hope not. Okay. Teresa did a beautiful post with Melissa with the songs of Birds of a feather. We belong together. Happy birthday, Melissa. AKA sister in law. Lol. Why is that funny? We've truly been through it all and somehow always find our way back to each other thanks to the show.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

The show brought you apart. Tore you apart. But it also brought you back together.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

I hope your day is filled with so much happiness and love. I'm really grateful that we're back in the. I'm grateful for that too. Your family, the cousins, all of It. Who can. Like. I'm not mad about it.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I do love. Who is it? Not good for them. Antonia. Is that Melissa's daughter's name? Yeah. She's on TikTok and she's watching all the old seasons of Jersey. That's fun to see. Cause she's watching, like, the christening for the first time and she's. It's crazy to think that they're, like, old enough to do Tiktoks and watch it now.

[Zach Peter]

Good for her, though. She's in college. And that's a really smart thing to do. That's a really interesting thing to do.

[Heather McDonald]

And people are hooked on it.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Because they don't know. Cause they didn't watch it back. And they were just used to. It's like a person in the corner with a camera. Camera. They still live their life. And all the kids on all seven of their kids, the three Gorgas and the four girls are lovely.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And seem to be raised really, really great.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I think that's, you know, Italian roots. Yeah. And so the story. The rumor is them and Dolores.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then what? Four new people?

[Heather McDonald]

I guess.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It's like, no food. No. What's the. What was the other. No. Margaret. Who is Danielle? No, Danielle. No. Jen. Aiden? No. Jen Fessler. I'm good without Jen Fessler, honestly.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. I don't think anyone's clamoring or. What's the other one? Goldfinder.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, Jackie Goldschneider.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. No, I don't think.

[Zach Peter]

I don't think anyone cares. But that's a good one. This one I saw a reality TV fan said that there's supposedly a new show. I've seen a few reports on this that's gonna be like an ultimate girls trip, but for different reality stars. So it's like a traitors, where they mix a lot of reality stars. But it's a girls trip. And supposedly it's Tamar from the. You know, Tamar Braxton. Kim Zolciak. Kenya. Margaret from New Jersey. Christine from Selling Sunset. Brittany from the Valley in Vanderpump. Kaitlin Bristow from Bachelor. Jen from Bachelor. I don't know who she is. Hilaria, you know, Baldwin. Julie Chrisley and Savannah Crisley.

[Heather McDonald]

That's too many girls.

[Zach Peter]

There's too many. I think this is. Someone just made this up and they're. Well, taking a. I don't think this is.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, this is too. No, it's too random.

[Zach Peter]

And like, how do you. How many people. Like, how do you Have. You could make three shows out of that. You only need like. Like, I think the ultimate number for something is like five or six.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because you just got to have enough where one could be ostracized.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And. And you could batty up with like one person.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like, unless these are all in consideration and the cast hasn't been finalized. But, like, in what world do you see Britney and Margaret Josephs.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Taking shots together on the beach when

[Zach Peter]

they go on trips. It's true. I've been on a girls trip before. And you. You need about five or six people to have fun, to have a little bit of drama. And then the funnest trips are when one girl is kind of like annoying everybody. And then you're like, let's go for a walk. And then you're like, I'm so annoyed. Like, it does kind of bond you together. It does kind of make it fun. Anyway, Lizzo stripped down to meet her former self. It was a little confusing. It's a photo of Lizzo with dark hair and Lizzo with blonde hair. But the blonde haired Lizzo is the new Lizzo. You know, she's lost a lot of weight. Right. And it's like she did a video with, I don't know, with AI, made like another naked version of herself. And then.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it AI or is it like a wax figure?

[Zach Peter]

I think it's like AI. I think it's like in post, they probably just.

[Heather McDonald]

But it's a music video, so it's a.

[Zach Peter]

It's a music video. So they're moving around.

[Heather McDonald]

So she just had like a green square for a green screen.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And then she's getting in the ass by the old Lizzo.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think it's like a mannequin skin. Is she wearing skims?

[Zach Peter]

Maybe. I don't know. In the new Lizzo. I don't know. What do you think? I thought it was really funny when you talked about your. I died laughing at that one video you said about Jillian Michaels.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Was doing Explain it.

[Heather McDonald]

So she did a jubilee video where they, like sit you down and they have like 20 people that you, like, do a debate with. And so she, she was debating like, 20.

[Zach Peter]

Jillian Michaels is a fitness person from Biggest Loser. Right. I just remind you.

[Heather McDonald]

So she sat down and she was debating 20 body positivity activists.

[Zach Peter]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And so it's everything from like. Well, so apparently I learned that they. You're not allowed to call them obese anymore. And so now they prefer to be called fat bodied, which don't Ever call me that? Like, as somebody that used to be fat bodied. When I was in high school, I was very thin and I would never. Like, that is an assault on my soul to call me fat bodied. But. So they're fighting with Jillian Michaels about don't use the word obese. You have to be called fat bodied. And that's the term that they're embracing. And you have therapists who are like, we have to call it the O word.

[Zach Peter]

And like, it's just so weird because then. And then on the other hand, everybody's obsessed with Kelly Osbourne. It's like, I think the new era just needs to be.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen, body positivity.

[Zach Peter]

I don't think this is a story.

[Heather McDonald]

No, body positivity used to be a thing until Ozempic came and then nobody cared about. But like. And I don't care what, like, what happened to calling them brave? Like, let's just say. Like, let's just say.

[Zach Peter]

Let's just say everybody and just do your thing. Just do your thing. Like, just love yourself. Remember, we don't need was a time where, like, you had to be secretive about Ozempic. Otherwise they were gonna like, knock on your door and like, burn you to the. And now everyone can be on it or not. Who cares? Yeah, like, who cares?

[Heather McDonald]

But like, Lizzo is a perfect example of that of like. Like, she went from body positivity to Ozempic.

[Zach Peter]

But then I feel like she kind of lost something. So that's why I think she's doing this. Controversial. Well, I mean, it gets us talking about her.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, she had that lawsuit against her, remember? Yeah, she had the, like, dancers.

[Zach Peter]

She was mean.

[Heather McDonald]

She was mean and she like sexually harassed them or something.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. But I think now she wants to get back into music.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And she has a new song coming out.

[Heather McDonald]

And so she's like my dancers. When I can harass myself, I can

[Zach Peter]

wrestle a former version of myself. I mean, I always loved her music. So I don't care what you look like, Lizzo. Just make some good songs I can jam out to. Okay. Meghan Markle has left Netflix millions of dollars in the hole with the severed as ever deal. They never saw a return. What do we think is going to happen to you?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, did they think they were going to see a return?

[Zach Peter]

She's also boring. Oh, she has a luxury flower thing. She was doing something. Where she's talking to her. She was doing something. And then the child comes in. But we don't get to see Lilibet. Cause she comes in the perfect angle. It's hidden. So it's like she put her camera there and she's like, yes, my lab. Okay, I think you can do that. And then it's like, oh, we got a glimpse of Lilibet's hair or whatever. Listen, the kids are gonna be on the camera when she's holding the kids out as her final, final thing. Eventually she will have some type of reality show or ensemble, and that's when we'll see the kids.

[Heather McDonald]

The reveal.

[Zach Peter]

That's when the kids will start talking.

[Heather McDonald]

She's running out of tricks. Everything she tries just keeps flopping. Did you watch the show?

[Zach Peter]

The cooking show? I watched a little of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, with love, Megan.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Yeah. And then nobody watched any of it after that.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, everyone watched the first episode or two. And then, like, no, it was so boring.

[Zach Peter]

It was really boring. And unless you were making content about how boring it was, you, like, no one was just like, unless you're gonna get a video out of it or something. Like, no one was watching it for actual tips.

[Heather McDonald]

No. What to do, because it was so unrealistic. It's like, let me go into my backyard with all of my bees and let me get the honey, and then we're gonna extract the honey to make candles out of it. And it was like, who has time to spend four days making a candle? You can just go to Home Goods. Like, there's no point in that. It was so stupid.

[Zach Peter]

It was like, the one that I saw, she was doing the sourdough bread, and even she was, like, getting annoyed at it. By the end, she was like, wow, this has taken, like, four days. Like, I had to leave it over here with, like, a wet cheese towel on it, or however you make sourdough bread. And I'm just like. I mean, there was an expression back in the day where people were like, greatest thing since sliced bread because you don't want to make your own bread. It was a huge. It was a huge pity. When I went to Pompeii, okay, It was the best thing I did in Italy. You can walk through, like, where the town of, like, before Jesus, okay? The lava came over, and then they found the town. So you were, like, walking through. They actually had bakeries back then. Even back then, before Jesus came, people were like, I don't want to make my own fucking bread. Yeah, I wanna go to the bakery and just get a lava.

[Heather McDonald]

It's so much work. I mean, I know sourdough bread is, like, a thing people do now, but, like, I don't know anybody that's, like, truly enjoying that.

[Zach Peter]

I did buy some sourdough bread from some girls. Yeah, they looked real Christian, too.

[Heather McDonald]

What is the thing with sourdough bread right now? Everyone's so into the sourdough.

[Zach Peter]

I don't know. It does taste good, but it is good. Last thing before we go. Ramona was lit over the weekend.

[Heather McDonald]

I loved a lit Ramona.

[Zach Peter]

Thank you to Kris Jenner's Secrets, who caught this moment. And she's filming the show, the Eve show.

[Heather McDonald]

Golden Wives.

[Zach Peter]

The Golden Life.

[Heather McDonald]

A golden life, yes.

[Zach Peter]

And she comes back, and she is lit, and she does a video. She's like. She's like, well, I just had the best time with my girls. It was Luann and it was Dorinda, and it was Sonia and Kelly and a couple other people and Avery. And it was. I just love my life. I love my life in Palm beach. And I got my girls. I'm just having a great time, and I had a great night, so good night. That's gonna be good.

[Heather McDonald]

I miss them. At first, I was kind of over it when they fired Jill, and I was like, I don't care about anymore. But now that we're seeing little bits of them hanging out together and we're seeing it all again, like, Bravo really fumbled the ball by letting them go.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. I think it's gonna be a hit. I think. Think it'll open the door to other

[Heather McDonald]

things and maybe give E a second life.

[Zach Peter]

Maybe give e a second life. Oh, speaking of E, they also did this thing about the Price Is Right with Bob Barker. And I have not watched it, but I guess he had an intimate relationship with one of the girls. And. And then this one said, holly Holstrom says Bob Barker forced her into an early retirement over the show's scandal. She said, I hate that man. And she tells a story. The clip that I saw that one of the girls, I think, who was it? I can't remember which one. Her name was this beautiful blonde. But she said they got in a fight, like a screaming fight in his dressing room. And she goes. And someone chases her and is like, you have to apologize to Bob Barker. You have to apologize, Pupper. And she turns around in front of the whole set, and she said something to the effect of trying to think what she said. It was like, I've sucked that man's dick so many times, I'm not gonna now start kissing his ass. No. Yeah. It was even better that she goes, I'm not gonna start kissing his ass now. That was it.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh man.

[Zach Peter]

And so that I was like, I saw that clip from that's a documentary on E. And yeah, that he was just a misogynistic dick who I guess had relationships with the women, but he always made sure those dogs were spayed and neutered. That's what he always said at the end. Zach, you've got so much going on in your life and you give us so much content and joy. How could people find more Zach in their life?

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

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