Blake Lively Faces Justin, Denise Richards with Zack Peter

Summary

Podcast Summary: Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald - Episode: Blake Lively Faces Justin, Denise Richards with Zack Peter

Release Date: August 5, 2025

In this episode of "Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald," host Heather McDonald and guest Zack Peter dive deep into the tumultuous legal battles and scandals swirling around Hollywood elites, particularly focusing on Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. The conversation navigates through high-profile lawsuits, reality TV drama, and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with an unfiltered look into the complexities of celebrity life.

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1. Spencer Pratt's Activism and Legal Battles ([02:47] - [06:36])

Spencer Pratt, a returning guest and expert on Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni, is highlighted for his relentless pursuit in exposing mismanagement of fire aid donations related to the Altadena and Palisades fires.

• Heather McDonald remarks at [03:42]:

  "I just love how invested Spencer is and, like, he is staying on Gavin Newsom's neck and every update I get of him is so good and he just doesn't even care. He's, like, going all in."

Zach Peter discusses Spencer's strategic approach in gathering evidence for his lawsuit, emphasizing the challenges faced by whistleblowers in maintaining safety and credibility.

• Zach Peter at [04:34]:

  "I do feel that he is safe because I feel when those unfortunate, weird things happen, it's when somebody thinks that you have damning evidence on them and you haven't revealed it yet."

The hosts express support for Spencer, acknowledging his role in holding powerful figures accountable.

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2. Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni's Lawsuit ([22:57] - [27:15])

The heart of the episode revolves around the ongoing lawsuit between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. Currently in the discovery phase, the lawsuit has been extended through September, delaying the trial until March of next year.

• Heather McDonald explains at [22:57]:

  "We're still in discovery because she keeps extending it and I think now it's extended through the end of September."

A significant point of contention is the retrieval of Taylor Swift's text messages, which are being sought as part of the evidence.

• Zach Peter at [23:05]:

  "Explain what that means."

The discussion delves into the potential leak of Taylor Swift’s private communications and the implications it may have on the case.

• Heather McDonald at [24:48]:

  "Brian Friedman, who's Baldoni's attorney, he said that Blake tried to extort Taylor into supporting her publicly and explaining why she wasn't with her at the Super Bowl."

Both hosts speculate on the possible outcomes of the discovery phase, including the release of incriminating text messages and the dynamics of Blake and Justin's interactions during depositions.

• Zach Peter at [26:25]:

  "So she had her deposition this week. I'm pretty sure we'll get some of that. That'll leak at some point."

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3. The Finale of "Just Like That" and the "Sex and the City" Universe ([10:15] - [14:35])

Transitioning from lawsuits to television, the hosts discuss the conclusion of "Just Like That," the latest installment in the "Sex and the City" universe.

• Zach Peter reflects at [10:15]:

  "So let's kind of analyze it. Cause I'm still a little confused."

The decision to end the series appears to stem from declining ratings and negative feedback, leading creators to wrap up the storyline proactively.

• Heather McDonald at [11:25]:

  "I think it's bullshit. They knew that they got pulled, they got canceled, and they are just trying to save face."

The hosts debate possible finales for the show, proposing scenarios such as dream sequences or the main character, Carrie, finding closure by returning to her roots.

• Zach Peter at [17:34]:

  "I think the ending that I think would be the best ending and would make the audience feel like is her friend who's the realtor, goes, I have my old apartment back."

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4. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Denise Richards ([35:34] - [43:53])

The conversation shifts to "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," focusing on Denise Richards and her legal troubles.

• Heather McDonald explains at [90:41]:

  "She's filming Beverly Hills again. She's back. She looks so skinny."

Denise's tumultuous relationship and legal issues are dissected, including recent reports of her violating a restraining order by showing up at Aaron Piper's home to retrieve their dog.

• TMZ Report ([92:12] - [94:18]):

  "Denise Richards and Aaron Piper's divorce has escalated further, with police being called after Denise showed up at Aaron's Calabasas home..."

The hosts empathize with Denise, discussing the challenges of navigating a toxic relationship and the public scrutiny that comes with celebrity divorces.

• Zach Peter at [93:56]:

  "The judge can't force him to get a job at Home Depot. No, he's gonna say, I've been in Entertainment for 20 years."

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5. Anecdotes on Being Served Subpoenas ([36:05] - [42:17])

Both Heather and Zach share personal stories about being served legal documents during their performances, highlighting the intrusive nature of legal battles for public figures.

• Heather McDonald recounts at [36:05]:

  "I was like, oh, is this real? Did I just get served right now and then Andy."

• Zach Peter adds at [40:50]:

  "I've had this happen, like, once. And that was City Winery, Chicago. And I fucking loved it."

These anecdotes underscore the unpredictable and often humiliating experiences that come with legal disputes in the public eye.

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6. Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson's Rumored Relationship ([46:11] - [53:30])

The hosts briefly touch upon rumors regarding Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson, speculating on the authenticity and dynamics of their alleged relationship.

• Heather McDonald notes at [47:11]:

  "She may be into it, but I think it's definitely them. Like, I just, I don't know. Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson."

They discuss the improbability of the pair's compatibility but remain open to hearing more as events unfold.

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7. Sydney Sweeney's American Eagle Ad and Public Reception ([57:11] - [59:05])

Sydney Sweeney's recent advertising campaign with American Eagle is analyzed, with the hosts interpreting the industry's return to classic marketing strategies.

• Heather McDonald at [57:11]:

  "It made me buy some jeans. Listen, I think it was just like the old school Abercrombie and Fitch, let's put a hot girl in some jeans."

The hosts appreciate the straightforward marketing approach and its effectiveness in boosting sales, dismissing overcomplicated interpretations.

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8. Upcoming Shows and Events ([96:05] - [96:57])

Towards the end of the episode, Heather and Zach promote their upcoming shows and encourage listeners to attend live events.

• Heather McDonald at [96:05]:

  "We're all coming. And tell everyone, bring your friends, bring your subpoenas. Come hang out. Get your [e-mail] and come hang with us."

• Zach Peter adds at [96:44]:

  "This was so fun, as always. Thank you, Zach."

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Key Takeaways

• Legal Drama: The episode provides an in-depth look into the legal struggles of high-profile celebrities, emphasizing the lengths to which individuals like Spencer Pratt will go to expose corruption and mismanagement.

• Reality TV Commentary: Heather and Zach offer critical insights into the lifecycle of reality TV shows, particularly how public perception and internal disputes can lead to a show's demise.

• Personal Stories: The hosts' own experiences with legal issues add a relatable layer to the discussion, illustrating the pervasive nature of legal challenges in the entertainment industry.

• Celebrity Relationships: Rumors and speculations about celebrity relationships, such as Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson, showcase the ongoing fascination with the personal lives of the rich and famous.

• Marketing Strategies: Analysis of advertising campaigns, like Sydney Sweeney's ad, highlights the cyclical nature of marketing trends and their impact on consumer behavior.

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Notable Quotes:

• Heather McDonald [03:42]:

  "He's, like, a nuisance to them. Like, he's annoying because he won't stop telling them that. Like, they're coming after them."

• Zach Peter [22:57]:

  "We're still in discovery because she keeps extending it and I think now it's extended through the end of September."

• Zach Peter [26:25]:

  "So she had her deposition this week. I'm pretty sure we'll get some of that. That'll leak at some point."

• Heather McDonald [57:11]:

  "It made me buy some jeans. Listen, I think it was just like the old school Abercrombie and Fitch, let's put a hot girl in some jeans."

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This episode of "Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald" offers a comprehensive and engaging exploration of current events and scandals in Hollywood, providing listeners with insider perspectives and candid opinions on the most talked-about topics in pop culture.

Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

What?

[Zach Peter]

Last time?

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

You ready?

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

What deeply out of touch old person.

[Heather McDonald]

Came up with that?

[Zach Peter]

You did.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

Whoop whoop.

[Zach Peter]

Hannah McDonald, juicy scoops. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have return guest and superior Expert on Blake vs. Justin Baldoni and so much more. My friend Zach Peter, host of no Filter with Zach Peter thank you for coming back.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you for having me back.

[Zach Peter]

So much to discuss. First of all, let's talk about our favorite reality show that's happening all over the Internet and it's with my very good friend, Spencer Pratt. It's amazing what he's doing and he has cracked open so much info about where the money went for fire aid. Not into the hands of not one victim of Altadena or Palisades.

[Heather McDonald]

I love that he's calling out all the celebs and I just don't understand how there was so much attention on the fires and now how, like, LA is just trying to pretend that, like, they were just trying to brush over it and nothing happened and we're not going to talk about what we're going to do with the land, but I just love how invested Spencer is and, like, he is staying on Gavin Newsom's neck and every update I get of him is so good and he just doesn't even care. He's, like, going all in.

[Zach Peter]

It's amazing, you know, and in gathering all this information to do his lawsuit, he then had it, like, very. You know, he's just so knowledgeable of it. And now that it's coming to a place he was able to just go, all right, I'm going forward with all of this. People are very concerned about his safety because when you are quote, unquote, whistleblower, oftentimes you might. They might find out that you killed yourself with two different guns when you were by yourself. Things like that. So he has done a viral video that says, I am not suicidal. I love my. My worldwide. My. My wife. I'm married to a international pop star. I have two great sons, so. But he also has private security who is also dating Erika Jayne.

[Heather McDonald]

The best.

[Zach Peter]

We all love this.

[Heather McDonald]

I. The. When the photos of them together, I was like, she's getting some good sex.

[Zach Peter]

I asked him about it and what I love is that when Heidi and Erika Jayne were doing that festival in London, he was their security. Heidi and Spencer. And that is where they met. And so all exciting, but no, he. I do feel that he is safe because I feel when those unfortunate, weird things happen, it's when somebody thinks that you have damning evidence on them and you haven't revealed it yet.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's just so.

[Zach Peter]

Sometimes speaking out is the right thing to do. And he's actually in D.C. today.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's. He just is being a nuisance to them. Like, he's annoying because he won't stop telling them that. Like, they're coming after them. And, like, I don't think he has any, like, secret evidence in his back pocket that they don't already know about. That's going to be like a real.

[Zach Peter]

Well, I think, you know, just follow it if you're interested. And what I also think is really great is this isn't just about the Palisades in Altadena. This is all of California. And it's not just about all of California. It's about America and how nonprofits work. And it's not necessarily that they're all bad, and it's not necessarily that they've broken any quote, unquote laws. But I went to that concert. We spent thousands of dollars for that ticket. They said over and over, this goes directly to the victims. We saw people who stood up there and said how their house was burned down and how their grandmother's house was burned down. And by you guys being here, we're going to get assistance that we can't get from insurance and we can't. Da, da, da. And to just be that, not one person can say, yeah, I got an $8,000 grant that really covered the fact that because I didn't have any, or whatever. And then, I mean, so follow it. That's all I'm going to say. It is. It is juicy and it's entertaining at the same time. Because he is entertaining.

[Heather McDonald]

He is.

[Zach Peter]

He's like, chills, though.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm hoping that they do end up giving him the reality. Him and Heidi, they're like, I don't know why they didn't jump on that right away. Because they were in talks with, what was it, Hulu to, like, do a building Spidey. Building their life back.

[Zach Peter]

I'm like, why are there not cameras following him right now? Yeah, that's what I want to see is him going there and having, you know, people being worried about him seeing the Shrek hanging out with. Hanging out with. His name is Shrek. That's his nickname. This guy. He does not look like Shrek. Who's dating. Who is like a former military or something who's dating Eric Jayne. And so there we go with that. So good luck and we hope everything gets exposed. And just like that.

[Heather McDonald]

Are you sad? I heard that it's over.

[Zach Peter]

Let me tell you something. This is what happened. I went out Thursday night. I came home and I watched it. I watch every episode two to three times because I usually either kind of fall asleep or I don't remember. And then it's so bad that I will make my Adult street son. Watch it with me. Which he has. We love ripping on it, but we do miss the days of Che Diaz. We thought that was the more fun times because it was so ridiculous.

[Heather McDonald]

I didn't watch much of it, but what I followed of it, I just, like. I was like, I don't know how I could even watch it. But I guess from when you're in that perspective of, like, you know, it's kind of campy and fun and whatever, then I guess at that point, no.

[Zach Peter]

It'S a weirder obsession than that for the few people that watched it. And I'm saying it's few. Like, my videos about, like, recapping the show would not get a lot. Cause people are like, I'm sorry, Heather. Like, I'm entertained by you. But, like, I'm not watching that. So I wouldn't even put like and just like that, like, on the title. I'd be like, unpopular opinion or something. Just like, watch this. Because I spent time doing it. But it was like, as a writer, as someone who loved the show, as, like, watching it and being like, who didn't realize that this girl's father already died last season and now they're having a full funeral for the her father again. And they never explained with this one character that it was a stepfather, that they just didn't bother with it. And so I again then do a recap of, like, the last episode. I thought there was, like, something pretty good about it, so I wanted to start out with something positive. I listened to the companion podcast, so I got to hear all the writers and realize where they're coming from, which is just a dorky, geeky place. Okay. I felt like I was listening to English teachers. Like, I stumbled into the English high school faculty room, and they were, like, caught smoking, and they were, like, thinking they were funny. That's what I felt like I was hearing. Okay? And it was like, 25, 30 years ago. So that's what I felt. And I was like, what is this? But I never wanted it to stop. I wanted to do predictions of every season and what they should do next. I wanted to cry about it and yell about it with other people. And they said, fuck you all, you haters. We are pulling the rug from underneath you. You don't like it. You don't get it like you do with. I literally felt like it was a mom that had cooked a nice meal, and for 20 years, her kids were like, you're a bad cook, mom, but they'd still eat it. And she finally was like, no fucking dinner tonight. Fuck you. And I was the kid. I was the kid that now has this gift ripped from my loins. Like, I was like, oh, my God. This should be a lesson to every person that receives hate. Don't stop doing what you're doing because the haters are in your head.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because the haters will be sad, too.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I'm. And I don't even consider myself a hater, but I. Because I wouldn't. I. So this is what was said. I mean, I couldn't believe it wouldn't have happened. I just done my recap, like a video and then this happened. And this. So let's kind of analyze it. Cause I'm still a little confused. So Michael Patrick King, who is of course the creator from the book that Candace Bushnell wrote.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Zach Peter]

And just like that, the ongoing storytelling of Sex and the City universe is coming to an end. While I was writing this last episode of. And just like that, season three, it became clear to me that this might be a wonderful place to stop. Okay, so now this is where it's confusing. So he decided like a year ago when he was writing it that it was gonna end. Or did they decide mid season because this was getting the most hate and had the worst ratings that they decided to end it? That's where it's iffy. Okay. I don't know. What do you think he was. He was.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, writing the last episode.

[Zach Peter]

I know. So when. That means it was decided like eight months ago, at least.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because they had to write it, they had to film it, they'd edit it, they had to put it out.

[Heather McDonald]

I think it's bullshit. They knew that they got pulled, they got canceled, and they are just trying to save face. And I mean, if he's thinking about it when he's writing the last episode of it, just like that. That. I mean, you're a writer, you're thinking of it because you're like, oh, this is probably not going to come back for a fourth season. Like, in your head, you're writing it, thinking, is this going to be the final season?

[Zach Peter]

Or he's like you said, he's not being totally truthful.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

He's trying to save face. To say they had a conversation with the network. They're letting him say what they said. And he's like, okay, well, instead of having. Because then he says this. Okay. Along with Sarah Jessica Parker, Casey Bloys and Sarah Aubrey. So those are the other writers, I guess, and eps, we decided to end the popular season this year with a two part finale and extended the original series order from 10 episodes to 12, which then I'm like, okay, so you decided that eight months ago, but you never told anybody. And they all filmed it and they didn't. And maybe they didn't know what episode they were on because they were only like doing their parts. I don't know. Sarah Jessica Parker and I held off announcing this news until now because we didn't want the word final to overshadow the fun of watching the season. It's with great gratitude, which I think that was smart that we didn't know if. But we thank all the viewers and these characters for so many good.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so the heroes, did they air the finale yet?

[Zach Peter]

Okay, so there's. Last Thursday was. Would have been episode 10 and there are two more.

[Heather McDonald]

Got it.

[Zach Peter]

So it didn't feel like a finale. They're letting us know there's two more, but then that's it. They're never coming back as these characters, allegedly. Which I believe at this point. And so the question is, did Sarah Jessica Parker and Michael Patrick King decide this, like really eight months ago or when he was actually writing the script? And I think when I listened to the companion podcast, I definitely think they, they did all those like within a few days or when or they would do it right after they wrapped the filming of the episode. I don't think they ever like got together, you know, to. Because they never respond to fans, they never talk about fans. So I'm like, this must have been done before. And so the question really is like, did they decide with the rise of TikTok and, and podcasting and speed us being so vocal and saying why something is bad or why something doesn't make sense, that they were like, I. I really can't take it anymore and I really don't care. We're fucking rich.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

They don't deserve it. Fuck these people. We're not going to give them anymore. Or did HBO go. You're not getting the views. And this is such an extremely expensive show.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think HBO pulled the rug on them. I think they probably saw the writing on the wall and then they ultimately just, you know, were.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Done. I mean, were you expecting it to? I mean, I was waiting for the show to get canceled like after season one because everybody hated it so much.

[Zach Peter]

Well, because it kept going. I just thought maybe they had like some special deal like, like where they weren't going to let it. I really, I didn't know that they had poor ratings because you don't really know what ratings are in streaming. So I just figured that even though everyone said they hate it, they weren't watching it, that they were hate watching it. And we were actually. It was actually having good ratings. But can I tell you how I want it to end?

[Heather McDonald]

How do you want. Yeah, how do you want it to end? This is how big is alive.

[Zach Peter]

There's a couple theories that are floating around. Okay? All like end of Roseanne, the first time she wakes up and it's all a dream. She didn't win the lottery, Whatever. The dream thing where she wakes up and they finally throw, you know, big one more boned so that he can, you know, keep his health insurance. And he goes, what's up, kid? Or whatever. And it was a dream the last few years. Okay, Something like that. Or she wakes up in 2004, help of AI and the last 20 years, you know, like, it's still 2004. And, you know, she's in her apartment and, like, they do her face so it looks like she's like, it's. And it's. Oh, my God. I had the craziest, craziest dream about our future. Something like that. Okay, if it's a dream thing, if we're not gonna do dream ending, which is a very lazy writing, but they were very lazy writers. My other thought is she just slept with this guy who's this London writer from London. And he is like, I'm going back to London to finish something. Samantha, who you know Kim Cattrall is not part of this.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Zach Peter]

And we've had moments where she texts Samantha and Samantha sends her flowers, but they're never talking on the phone. We never see Samantha because Samantha's not a part of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So the ending that I think would be the best ending and would make the audience feel like is her friend who's the realtor, goes, I have. Remember the buyer that you that wanted your place because now she bought this big house. I have an amazing thing for you. Your old apartment's available. And I have this buyer that wants to pay for the house. A million more than you paid or whatever. She does that transaction. She has her old apartment back. And she tells the girls, I have my old apartment back. I don't need that big house. Not because I'm not going to be with Aiden, but because I want to, like, travel and do things. And my first stop is to see the writer in London. So she goes to London and we have, like, one scene with him. Like, all right, darling, I'll see you later. And then she goes, yeah, I'm just gonna meet an old friend for lunch. Bloop. Hi, doll. You're gonna love this new martini. Does it have tea in it? Oh, I've got the tea. We've got lots of tea to catch up on. See you soon. And we don't see Kim Cattrall, but we see her doing her classic whisking across the street, but instead it's London, where she always looks. Looking like a truck is about to hit her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then she just goes and smiles. And we see, like, a girl's blonde hair, but it's not Kim. They hired a double. And that's how it ends. So she's in London. She's gotta rekindle her friendship with Kim Cattrall. She might have a new love, but we were settled with this old apartment is waiting for her at home when she goes to New York.

[Heather McDonald]

I think you could have saved the show.

[Zach Peter]

I tried so many times. But I also think they're. They're successful, the main people, and they're just like, we don't need to. We don't need the hate. I don't need it.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, yeah, I'm sure they were probably even a reason why there was not gonna be a fourth season. I think they were over it too. Cause nobody liked it.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And also she was in a very good series for a few years that was called Divorcing or Divorced.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Zach Peter]

And it was basically, she was playing Carrie Bradshaw. If Carrie Bradshaw had gotten married, had a few kids, and then had a divorce. So I don't feel like the character's gone. I think that is. She is Carrie. Carrie is her. No matter who she plays next, we're not gonna miss out on that. We're just gonna miss out on it in this world.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So there you go. Okay. And then Kim Cattrall, they said they thought that she made a. She did a post of a sunset, and she just wrote, it's the end of a very long week. Am I right? Hey, Sex and City fans, Did I make the right decision when I said, no, thank you? So she did. Is the wellness world making you feel like you're not doing enough lately, not drinking enough water? Doing the right three hour skincare routine, all of it? Well, what you really should be doing is seeing a real doctor, One who can actually help you figure out the right health plan for you. Zocdoc makes that part easy by giving you tons of doctors to choose from and letting you book in seconds directly their website ZocDoc is a free app and website where you can search and compare high quality in network doctors and click to instantly book an appointment with Zocdoc. You can book in network appointments with more than 100,000 doctors across every specialty from mental health to dental health, primary care to urgent care and more. Stop putting off those doctor's appointments and go to Zocdoc.com juicy to find and instantly book a top rated doctor today. That's z o c-o c.com juicy zocdoc.com juicy you know how hard it is just to quiet your mind? You're like I need to go to sleep and then you're stressed that you're not sleeping and you're like thinking about what you have to do tomorrow and did you set the alarm? And well let me tell you what can help and that's Bolen Branch sheets can help you truly unwind with a softness so extraordinary your whole body relaxes into sleep. Bolan Branch's signature sheets are made free from toxins with the finest 100% organic cotton. They feel so buttery, soft to the touch and what I love is they actually get softer with every wash. I absolutely love them. I barely wear a tank top because I love how soft they feel on my body, on my legs and they keep me cool and I just wake up and I just cannot wait to get in them every night. Feel the difference an extraordinary night's sleep can make. With Boll and branch get 15% off plus free shipping on your first set of [e-mail] juicyscoop that's bowl n branch B O L L a n d branch.com juicyscoop to save 15% and unlock free shipping exclusions apply this summer. Don't let thinning hair hold you back. With Nutrafol, see visibly less hair shedding and show up where it matters most. Whether you're dancing at a wedding, lounging on the beach or posing for a quick picture on the night out with friends, you want your hair to look great and Nutrafol can do that for you. Nutrafol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand trusted by over one and a half million people. Anything truly worthwhile takes time and effort. And with Nutrafol see thicker, stronger F growing hair and less shedding in just three to six months. Adding Nutrafol to your daily routine is simple. Purchase online, no prescription required. Automated deliveries and free shipping keep you on track. Plus, with Nutrafol subscription you can save up to 20%. You'll have access to a free one on one naturopathic doctor consult to support you and your hair growth journey. And a headspace meditation membership is included. This summer, stop worrying about your hair and start making memories. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our Juicy Scoop listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping. When you go to nutriful.com and enter the promo code Juicy Scoop. Find out why Nutrafol is the best selling hair growth supplement brand@ Nutriful.com spelled N-U T R-A F O L.com promo code juicy scoop. That's Nutrafol.com promo code juicy Scoop. Okay, now, yes, you have exploded as the world renowned expert on the case that has rocked us since Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard. What is the latest with Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni?

[Heather McDonald]

We're still in discovery because she keeps extending it and I think now it's extended through the end of September. September.

[Zach Peter]

And explain what that means.

[Heather McDonald]

So discovery is the evidence gathering phase in a lawsuit. So we have until March of next year before we get to this actual trial. And so right now there's the discovery phase, which is where the depositions happen. So that's where, you know, Blake and Justin and all the parties will have to sit down and under oath, be questioned and all of those interviews can be used against them at trial. Right now it's just, it's all the fact, the evidence gathering period. So now they're trying to get Taylor Swift's text messages and trying to get, they're having to exchange all of that. And it's just, it keeps getting delayed.

[Zach Peter]

Because and, and, and Taylor has not turned over her iPhone.

[Heather McDonald]

Taylor has not. But Justin did get the judge to award the text messages to be entered. But they're gonna have to be entered via Blake. I don't think they're getting them from Taylor. I think Blake has to turn those text messages over.

[Zach Peter]

That is crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

So the t. The Taylor text.

[Zach Peter]

So crazy. Because now here's the thing. If I'm Taylor and I had a very close relationship with Blake and all the little funny things that we like. What if they're the kind of girls that have like a mutual frenemy where they screen grab that mutual frenemy's obnoxious, overly filtered photo and send it to each other and goes, oh, this is natural. Yeah, bitch. Oh my God. Why, why does she, why does she want the world to think that she is actually doing a charitable thing? I got you, girl. Like, what if now that stuff will never be shared with us. But the judge would see it. Like, who's going to see the stuff that's not necessarily relevant to the Blake who wrote the script and what her intentions were?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, here's the thing. And so Brian Friedman, who's Baldoni's attorney, he said that. That Blake tried to extort Taylor into supporting her publicly and explaining why she wasn't with her at the Super Bowl. And part of the threat was, well, we have all your text messages, and we can't promise that they can't. They're not going to get leaked. Like, you know, we can protect your text messages if you protect us, but if you don't, then, like, your text messages may get out and we can't protect it. Like, they try to play that card and obviously it backfired on them. But so I'm actually faithful that we will see some incriminating Taylor text messages. Like, especially now that Taylor's completely distanced herself from Blake. Blake's gonna be like, fudge you now. I am going to really release your text messages. Like, I can see something getting out.

[Zach Peter]

Like, what if there's a text message from Taylor to Blake and Blake is like, I'm dying over you and the football player. Like, what the fuck is happening? And she's like, girl, okay. You know, we got together and then. And then Blake is like, did you guys have sex? And she's like, we did. And we've got some things to work on. Like, what if it's, like, literally, like. Or it's like an emoji or it's like a tiny pinky finger. Or like, what if it's something like that? Yeah, that's so scary.

[Heather McDonald]

Blake's team can leak it and then be like, it must have been Baldoni's team. Like, we're not gonna play that. Like, they. I would not put it past them with every. All the tricks that we've seen them play in court so far. I am faithful that we will get some Taylor Swift text messages. And then Blake just had her deposition this week. I'm pretty sure we'll get some of that. That'll leak at some point.

[Zach Peter]

So she had to go to the law firm. Sit down. Did we see her going or anything? We see her out.

[Heather McDonald]

We didn't get any. We know that she wore.

[Zach Peter]

She wasn't wearing double jeans.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, she wore black jeans.

[Zach Peter]

Just one single pair?

[Heather McDonald]

Yep. With the black. Black vest and then a powder blue jacket.

[Zach Peter]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

So no florals. Ryan was there. Justin was there. So Blake and They're all, like, at.

[Zach Peter]

A long table where she's at the end and they're filming her. And, like, Justin's here and Ryan's there, and the attorney.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, Ryan wasn't allowed in the room.

[Zach Peter]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

But it was her eight attorneys that came with her. All eight of them. And then Baldoni's legal team. Baldoni and his partner Jamie Heath, were present for the deposition. And people were like, matt, they're like, I can't believe Justin sat in on the deposition. But I'm like, he's the main defendant. Of course he's going to be at the deposition with his legal team.

[Zach Peter]

How would you want. Yeah, you wouldn't want to. You've been through hell and back. You don't want to miss out on any moment.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, if you're like, he want. I'm sure he wants her to be like, look me in the eye when you're telling them that I did this.

[Zach Peter]

To you, that I sexually harassed you. And. Yeah, you know, that one thing that people will go, that was weird, or whatever is this when the story. And we still don't know if she just told the story and it got relayed or if there was actually witness to it, is that he came to the set and said she had recently lost her dad. And allegedly, Justin said to Blake, I had a dream about your father. And people are like, isn't that creepy? Isn't that weird? I'm like, you know, it's not something that I think someone thought through, but I do think people say stuff like that. And I do think he probably had a dream about him because they were probably talking. And if you study how dreams work, either you're a real avid dreamer that dreams like a movie, like, is Me, which is me. And when I wake up and I have a dream, I'm like, okay, why did I dream such a weird thing? Oh, my God. I saw that one weird article at two in the afternoon, and it, like, stuck in the back of my head. And then I was like, in this thing. So I'm like, I have been. I have been that person. That's like, I had a weird dream.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And nobody wants to hear someone else's dreams. That's for one thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. But I also feel like their relationship, like, it seemed like there were moments where they were very friendly and casual. She. He's in her apartment. She's inviting him to fly home on her private jet with her. They're in the editing room together. Apparently, they were ta. She was taking photos of him holding her Baby in her New York apartment. So there were times when they were very close that I'm pretty sure, like, maybe they had conversations about her dad and maybe he did have a dream, and then he was just like, oh, my God, craziest thing. I had a dream and you were there, and you're just there.

[Zach Peter]

And how it was comforting or connecting in a positive way. I think, you know, when a friendship or romantic relationship or business partnership ends not well. Even though you had a lot of wonderful memories, you can sit back and analyze every not perfect thing. Or like, you know what? I did think it was weird in 1995, we were at a yogurt shop. And you know what I mean? Like you. Because it's over with. So it's like, I think that you can do that. And now let's just say, because you've analyzed this a lot. What do you think happened? The turning point of they're filming the movie. She has rewritten the scene with Ryan and allegedly, Taylor about, I thought you were a finance bro. And all that stuff on the roof to I don't want him on the red carpet to I feel like a smear campaign's coming against me. To the lawsuit stuff. What do you. What was the trajectory in your. In your mind, in a nutshell, do you think was the motivation of what happened on both sides?

[Heather McDonald]

I think they got close, and I think she maybe developed feelings for him. And I think Ryan Reynolds found out because there is a period where Ryan Reynolds wasn't really involved with the movie at the start. And then suddenly he's on set and then is doing all the marketing for the film and his company is being contracted and Taylor's walking into meetings. Like, I think Blake has a tendency of taking over the sets when she's on them. Because if you hear the stories of her on Gossip Girl, like, none of her co stars like her.

[Zach Peter]

She said it in a panel interview.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That she likes authorship of, you know, the projects that she does. And she doesn't tell them that ahead of time. She kind of, like, just pretends to be the meek actress. Then suddenly she kind of like, pulls the rug from underneath them. Those are her words. And, you know, then takes over the project because she has to have authorship over it. And so I think there was a little bit of that. I think she was kind of demanding. I do think that she did develop feelings for him. And when he didn't reciprocate that, I think that's when she kind of got bothered. And then I think Ryan maybe saw Their text messages. And he's like, what the fuck is this? And she's just like, it's not me, it's him. He's into me. Like, he's always flirted with me. He wants to be. He wants to look at me when I'm breastfeeding. Because if you look at her text messages to him in the first chunk of production, she's like, do you want me to act out the scene for you? I'm a ball buster, but never with teeth. I have a fun, fun and flirty banter. And it's so fun when the guy can throw it back at me. And like, these are inappropriate text messages to be sharing with a married man when you have a husband yourself. That I'm like, okay, she clearly felt comfortable enough to tell him that she's a ball buster. Never with teeth. Like, that's, you know, a little.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, to spell it out to you, yeah, I can blow you, but don't worry, I'm not gonna bite off your dick in the process.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. Like, it's clear. And then she's like, you know, we. We wrote the scene and, you know, we can act it out when I see you next week, or I can just do it for you now. Like, what is that? I. What, are you gonna have a Tom and Raquel FaceTime call right now? Like, what does that mean? So I think that there was something. I think feelings may have gotten caught. If you look at her history, she's fallen for every one of her male leading co stars, from Penn Badgley to Ryan Reynolds.

[Zach Peter]

Allegedly.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, allegedly. And so, you know, it's kind of just a tendency. It's normal. She was also, I'm pretty sure, you know, had some postpartum hormones. And then I just think, you know, as the production went on, she really, her and Ryan really just wanted to take over the. The set and wanted to, like, punish him in some way for, I don't know, being attractive and her falling for him. I don't know. I think that there were feelings that were caught. And I think that there was something that happened during. What was it? The writers strike when they were on break for a while? Because that's when things seemed to have turned. And I think it was because he didn't really want to keep giving her everything that she wanted.

[Zach Peter]

Yes, I agree with what you're saying. I think she is your typical married mom of 10 years with four kids that had a work crush.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And she didn't mean that she would have absolutely wanted to F him, but she was excited to make out with someone other than her husband after 10 years. I mean, I always think that's probably the best part about being an actress that does movies is, like, you get to legally do something like this. And he was really hot. I actually thought they did have good chemistry. I thought they had great chemistry on film, you know, I. Those scenes were hot. When he'd, like, pull her or put her on the counter. Like, I feel. Which was the putting on the counter, that was a big deal because it was. He asked the trainer, what does she weigh? So I can, like, make sure I can physically do it without, like, straining my back. And of course, that got back to her. And it's like, how dare you ask? It's like, you're the one who's weight shaming yourself. Like, what? What do you care? Like, you know what I mean? So I think something happened, and I've said this over and over, he got wind of these texts, Ryan.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Whether it was a classic icloud thing, whether he's been watching all forever, or it was on the kid's iPad, which the shit that has been found on a child's iPad cloud that has ended marriages and caused scandals in schools is too many to count. That needs to be the next documentary. The kid's iPad told all. So something happened. And he was like, what the fuck? And her initial reaction was, oh, my God, I haven't even told you this, Ryan, but he has been creeping me the F out. He's done this. And then he was like, oh, fuck. This fucker makes fun of him in the Deadpool thing, does all this stuff. And then it brought them even back together, closer. So now they're this team and there's no turning on each other. They're in it till the end, and.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know if they're in it till the end.

[Zach Peter]

You think they could turn against each other?

[Heather McDonald]

I think they might.

[Zach Peter]

They might.

[Heather McDonald]

It continues to blow up in their face. Like, everything that they do just continues to, like, I mean, even just with the subpoenas, the content creator subpoenas that now continues to, like, be a story, you know, two, three weeks later. Because that blew up in her face.

[Zach Peter]

Let's talk about the content creators. I've heard so many different things. First it was Candace, Owen, and Perez. Then it was all these other YouTube people that I'm not that familiar with. Then I see your video from your tour, which you still have a show that people can go to this Sunday. Tell everybody where they can go to. They're in L. A. Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

In LA Miracle Theater. No filter live.com for tickets this Sunday, August 10th.

[Zach Peter]

A fun, juicy show. Go see it. So I see a clip of you doing your show and you got served.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And you are like. And you're like, wait, did I really get. Am I really getting served now? If anybody's gonna be served, if it's people that spoke about it and they weren't pro. Blake, I would think that you'd fall under that umbrella.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I immediately, without even finishing your video, I text you because I like, Kris Jenner, wanna make lemonade out of lemons. So I. Instead of me being afraid for you, I was like, this is fucking awesome. Because, A, I know you've never done anything wrong. I know you're not being paid by Eshan Baldoni. And I'm like, this is juicy as fuck. Like, you get to be at a deposition.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

I'm like. And, you know, you can talk about it. Like, you can share about this. And so you don't write me back. Cause you're on tour. And then someone's like, no. I was like, so explain what happened.

[Heather McDonald]

So. Because I fell for it too. I'm on stage, we're talking, whatever, and then this young, very young guy gets up and walks over to me, and he's about to hand me something, and I make a joke. I'm like, oh, is this the moment I get served? And. And he's just like, you're a very hard person to find. And I was like, am I a hard person to find? And he's like, here you go. You've been served. And I was like, this has gotta be a joke. And then I'm looking at it, and it's a real subpoena. And they have my name on it. They didn't have my full name. That was the first red flag. But I was like, oh, okay, this is clearly a joke. I thought the venue. It was at the Tempe Improv where you.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, fell. Infamously fell. Well, there's another video going around saying that I died. It really, really helps my. My image when people are like, yeah, she died. I'm like, I'm still doing a podcast. Okay, go on. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And I was like, okay, this is a joke. He's like, no, sir, I'm sorry, it's real. And I was like, no, it's not. He's like, it is. I'm sorry. And then he walks out of the room. And I'm like, is this real? Did I just get served right now and then Andy. Andy Signor, who was one of the four. It was Candace, Andy Perez and. Or I think it was only those three.

[Zach Peter]

It was something like YouTube person, too, that I'm not familiar with.

[Heather McDonald]

He. And he was just like, oh, my God.

[Zach Peter]

Crystal Ball got. Got subpoena, but she's off the hook now. But go on.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And so he's like, oh, my God, that's looks just like mine. And I'm going through it, and I'm seeing it's not my personal address, but it's my management team's address that's listed on it, too. So I was like, is this real? Is this not? And then I'm like, calling my manager. I'm like, david, can you come? Like, can we do, like, figure this out? But in my head, like, you said, the first thing I thought was like, we're filming all of the show. Like, this is all on stage. Everyone had their iPhones out filming it. So I was like, this is going to be great content. Part of me was like, this is great. They picked the right time to do this. And then 30 seconds later, as we're reading through it, Andy's like, I'm with you. That was my friend. I had him come in and serve you and all of that. And it was hilarious because everybody fell for it.

[Zach Peter]

Really? Genius.

[Heather McDonald]

Nobody knew. My team didn't know. Nobody else on the panel knew. So everybody was just raw reacting to it, and it was just. It was a brilliantly executed prank.

[Zach Peter]

And, I mean, if you've ever been served, whether it's a subpoena, which is like a future date that may never happen, or you're actually being sued as someone who's been served, it is a weird thing. And it's a certain kind of person you don't know. Like, it's just like, it always catches you off guard. So it's funny when I saw you on stage, because I had something close to that happen. So I was at doing the La Jolla Comedy Store, and you can park. Like, they have a spot for the headliner behind the theater. And so I'm there, and this is a couple years ago, so I'm, like, getting out. Like, I think I had, like, some Barbies and shit, like, for my standup show. And I see this guy, and he's, like, fit and, like, my age and pretty cute. And he's got these. The stack of, like, white papers. And sometimes when you're, like, you know, coming out of things, there's these. Those guys that, like, have your headshot yeah. And they just want you to sign. And every time I do it, sometimes they ask for one, but sometimes I have eight. And by the ninth one, you're like, dude, you're gonna make a dollar fifty. Like, I don't. I mean, I'm not even flat. Like, I'm like, I feel like this was a waste of your evening, but I hope you have other people's photos under here. But I'm like, I'll do it. You know, so. But they're usually not the demographic of, like, a fit, kind of cute guy. So I was like, oh, my God, these weird, like, autograph people have gotten cuter. And then he opens his jacket and he's like, I'm San Diego pd. And I was like, oh, my God, now I've really made it because the Comedy Store is hiring private security for me, you know, like, because I've only had this happen, like, once. And that was City Winery, Chicago. And I fucking loved it. I'm like, I've got Chicago as finest, you know. Anyway, so I was like, oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

Hi.

[Zach Peter]

Like, great. And he's like, you've been served. And I was served. And he had, like, read through it. He's like, it's actually not that big of a deal. He, like, gave it to me of, like, what. How much it was. And it was an owner of another comedy club that. I've never told that story. I'm gonna tell it on Patreon of how it happened, but it's one of those legal stories I've yet to tell, but I can't. But it's just long and it's not overly juicy. So anyway, I. But I was like, you know, shaking. And it's like, before I'm gonna do my set. But it was, like, the best that I ever had because I came right on stage and I'm like, you guys. And I told the whole story of, like, how I thought it was this and how I thought it was that. And I'm like. And, you know. But I've also had a guest come to my show. Like, a friend of mine who was vip and we were in New York, and she's posting that she's going to come see me. And she got served going into the theater, and she comes to the meet and greet. She's got the stack this big, and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. So it's like, they do need to find where you're at.

[Heather McDonald]

I had a guest pull out of a show because he was afraid he was going to get subpoenaed for something unrelated. This was a while back. But he was like, I'm. He's like, I am afraid that they're going to subpoena me on stage and blah, blah, blah. And I guess that's what happened to Olivia Munn is she got served while she was on stage at some Comic Con or something promoting one of her movies. And so that's why Andy said he's like. And that's what.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, yeah, it didn't. Yeah, that's right. Olivia Munn by her ex husband to me. Oh, my God, that's right. Yeah. And. And then the. You know, I was like, oh, I didn't want it done in this public place. But the truth is, if you are a celebrity and you live, you know, in a gated community or you live, you know, you don't go to an office every day. You don't go, you know, like, it's. They. These people have to give it to you, and every time they miss it, it costs the other side money. And so it's like the goal is to make you take it in your hand, you know. And so what has gone on now? I heard that many of these content creators, Blake's side, has dropped the subpoena and are not pursuing them. So.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, so I believe there was over a hundred content creators that she ended up subpoenaing, and she.

[Zach Peter]

And that is because she thinks that Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer were somehow paying them to be Team Justin.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And so they subpoenaed, but they didn't subpoena them personally. So Candace and Andy and Perez, they all got subpoenas directly, but all the other content creators got them through the actual. Through Google, for YouTube, through TikTok, through, you know, the different social platforms. They were sued, and then those platforms then contacted everybody, and they're like, hey, your information's being asked for and they want your bank account information. They want your.

[Zach Peter]

Now that makes sense. It was very confusing. I was like, okay, so, like, Google.

[Heather McDonald]

Was having to contact everything.

[Zach Peter]

They actually just sued the platforms.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So they. They told Google, These are the YouTube accounts that we want the info from. Give us the info. And so Google then notified everybody of like, hey, your info's being asked for. If you want to fight this. You know, here are your legal chains that you can go through. I think X was the one that did it the best because they actually, like, sent the creators, like, here are resources if you can't afford an attorney. Or here's like like, organizations that you can go to that can advocate for you on your behalf. Because a lot of these people are, like, had small accounts. Like, one of them had a private account. One of them had, like, two YouTube subscribers. Like, it was so strange. And it is.

[Zach Peter]

No matter what. Yeah, no matter what. No matter how in the right you think you are or know you are, it's a scary situation.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I mean, I wasn't scared. I was like, stupid me, bitch. But, like, I. But I knew and everybody else that I was talking to, because a lot of us, we have, like, group threads, and we all, you know, have become friends through all of this. And, like, they were genuinely, like, scared. Like, one girl's like, I have a farm. Is Blake going to take my farm? And I'm like, she's not going to take your farm. You'll be okay. But, like, this is what you have to do. You have to file a motion to quash. And so eventually.

[Zach Peter]

But, you know, that's the thing. Some people are realize, like, oh, this is just a legal game. Or some people are, you know, very sue happy. And for them, it's fun. And other people, it can be very creatively debilitating. It can really stress you out. It can wake you up in the middle of night. You think of the worst thing. You start watching a date line for murder, and you're triggered. You're like, I know I didn't murder anybody, but, like, how far could this go? Like, and especially when it comes to, like, text messages, because you're like, I don't like, my God, what did I say? So I'm more for, like, talking to people on the phone or meeting them in person. I really am, because I'm like, think especially in this housewife world where, you know, like, text messages are, you know, screen grabbed and posted on a screen at a cocktail party. And you're like, from a year and a half ago. And you're like, what? Like, geez, you know, like. And they have a right to do that because you sent the text like.

[Heather McDonald]

It'S not, and it can be used against you. And screenshotted any which way.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. Wow. Well, we'll keep watching. Now, this is lovely, but I have some questions. The Naked Gun has a new movie out. And Pamela Anderson still makeup free. And Liam Neeson, who sadly lost his lovely wife when she was skiing when their sons were, like, 10 and 11, and she wasn't wearing a helmet, and she blew off going to the doctor after she fell on her head, which really started people always wearing helmets Skiing. So he's been a widower for a long time. I don't know that he's had any real significant relationships in the last, you know, 15 years. They. I don't know if they've 100% they're dating, but the sources are saying they're dating, they're smitten, they're doing videos together. And she does fall hard and quick. So I do think it's possible, like, all their sons are hanging out at the premiere. They all have. They each have two boys. But then I'm like, is this some old school Hollywood PR movie making when nobody goes to the movies anymore? And people are like, I wasn't gonna see this movie, but now I kind of want to see it.

[Heather McDonald]

She may be into it, but I think it's definitely them. Like, I just, I don't know. Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson. Just as like a random.

[Zach Peter]

It seems like a weird mix.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

When you think of who she was with before, she was never. But people do change. They do go for like, she's the most.

[Heather McDonald]

She's in love with Tommy Lee still. She said it in her documentary.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. There was Tommy Lee, then there was Kid Rock. I think that was also short. I think she also wore a bikini to that one. I don't know. She's the original white bikini girl. Not Jen and Ryan from OC at your wedding. Then she had that guy that was like, she married and divorced him and then married and divorced him again. And it was weird because he was somehow involved with a sex tape scandal, I think for. With Paris Hilton.

[Heather McDonald]

Wasn't he the one that filmed it?

[Zach Peter]

He either filmed it or he was in it. And that's weird that then after her horrible sex tape scandal with Tommy Lee, that then she would ever be involved with someone that even had their fingertip, let alone the tip of their dick or whatever in it. We don't know. Then, then she had. Then she met this guy like that lived next door to her in Malibu and they were married for like 72 hours. Some white haired guy named John something. Then she moves to Canada and marries her guy that was like working on her house that like had a complete wife at home. And the wife was like, we're not even separated. Then they get divorced. Then she does her documentary saying, like, tommy's the one to get away.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

While he's married to Brittany Furlan.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then that probably didn't help Britney's self esteem. So then, then Brittany Furlan gets catfished by some guy who's like, A younger looking Tommy Lee. You remember that? Do you know that story? Oh, my God. So just recently, in the last couple months, it all comes out. Brittany Furlan gets DMs or something from this guy who's like, in a band, like Black Hair, like Band. And they start flirting and talking and they are going to like, make plans to meet. And then it gets exposed that she was catfished because the guy, the actual guy in the band is like, this isn't me. Someone is catfishing me. And she's like, what the hell? Like, she's writing back to this person, you know? And like, then she. Anyway, it all gets exposed and she's kind of mad at the rock star guy and he's like, well, I'm sorry, but, like, I don't want Tommy Lee to think I'm going after his wife. I don't go after married women. So I was catfished. You were catfished. And I'm going to be honest and say, I was not going after you, Brittany Furlan. So then she has to come clean and was like, yeah, I was catfished. I don't know what happened. Whatever. I don't know where she and Tommy Lee are today with this. But I don't think it helped that the whole world was like, pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee need to get their family back together when Brittany Furlan has been with him for eight years.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So now she decides I'm never going to wear any more makeup after. Did you see the movie the Last Showgirl?

[Heather McDonald]

No. Was it good?

[Zach Peter]

I was so excited for it because I love a sad leaving Las Vegas kind of a movie. I like to see people in burning hot sun in the afternoon. And I like. It's like one of those genres I love is like, Vegas genre. My other is cocaine, and my third is infidelity and affairs that lead to murder. Those are my three favorite genres of film.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Zach Peter]

So I'm all excited. It was very disappointing.

[Heather McDonald]

What was wrong with it?

[Zach Peter]

Nothing. Like, nothing happened. Like, it was like, there was nothing juicy that happened with it. She's just this girl who did kind of like, it was based on the girl who wrote it, went to like this. This show that was like the Jubilee that was around forever and she saw that it was ending and she was like, I wonder what it would be like if you were a woman that had done the show for like 25 years. So I just think that's a great idea for a movie. And I think it could. There just could have been so much more with it, and it could have been so much juicier. And it was, like, a weird thing with the daughter. I don't know. It just wasn't good. Like, I was disappointed, but she was still a good actress in it. But it was just reminding me of that classic, like, you know, flash dance, like it's showtime, you know? Or, like, you see, like, the old face, and it's like. And a young girl is like, I don't want that to be me. Like, it was a little bit like that. And it was this kind of. Anyway, so. Still not wearing the makeup, and now she's in love with who? We're thrilled because she. We were rooting for her. We like the aging gracefully, though. I'm all for some concealer.

[Heather McDonald]

A little. Yeah, a little brow. Something. A lip. Anything curl.

[Zach Peter]

An eyelash.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, something. I feel like she's trying too hard. It's a little too Gen Z, you know, they're trying so hard to, like, look ugly with, like, their choppy bangs and their bad mullets and their bleached eyebrows. I'm like, can we try to, like, look a little cute a little bit, please?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And so I think it is something that you love because you're like, they're age appropriate. I mean, he is his. We all love him. I mean, he's. He's, you know, saved several daughters in movies that were kidnapped by bad people just by. By a threat. Just by being a mean dad. Like, mean dad saves the day. Like, you know, so. And then. So if it's true, I love it.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not gonna last.

[Zach Peter]

I'm gonna go on the record to say I don't think this is real.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think it's real.

[Zach Peter]

And because they've never said it, so they're not lying. And I think they're just having fun with it, and they're friends and they're having fun with the press of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think so, too. Because even Andy on Watch what Happens Live, he was like. They were on the show, and he was just like, I'm not gonna ask you about it, but I just think this is so cute, and you look so good. And Da da da was just, like, weird. Like, clearly he was in on whatever was happening, but, like, it was kind of like an. I know you guys aren't dating, but it would be nice if you were dating, because you guys are a cute couple. But, like, they're not. They're not compatible.

[Zach Peter]

Is our Meryl Streep and what's his name still dating from. From.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Was Is the murder the murder show? Yeah. Is Martin Short and her from the murder show? Are they still a couple or.

[Heather McDonald]

I think so.

[Zach Peter]

Was that like, that was a real thing?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

You know what? I don't know why they wouldn't fuck these two. I mean, I don't. I mean, they're both. I'm hoping it's real, but if it's not, I would not be surprised.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think they're compatible. She's such a free spirit and he seems like somebody that just like likes his pants ironed every morning. He like, loves structure and routine and she's just somebody that like wants to run off into the river somewhere.

[Zach Peter]

I do think they could have good phone sex with that threatening voice though.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

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[Heather McDonald]

It made me buy some jeans. Listen, I think it was just like the old school Abercrombie and Fitch, let's put a hot girl in some jeans. Like, I don't think it was intentionally meant to send, you know, any subliminal message other than we're getting back to the old 2000s marketing. Right. Of like, Hollister and Abercrombie and American Eagle. Like, they were all doing these types of campaigns before. I think people just made it out to be a lot more than it was meant to be. But, I mean, what a great publicity stunt. I mean, I don't think they expected it to blow up the way that it did, but their sales have skyrocketed.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, I don't think that was the intention. I think it was a play on the Brook Shields. Nothing's between Mike Calvin's. I think it was. It wasn't about having blue eyes. It was saying, everyone's jeans are blue.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Essentially blue jeans. And that's what they were selling. They weren't selling dyed black jeans. They were just selling blue jeans. So I think that was it. It was play on words. Jeans, jeans and. But, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it was a double entendre. I mean, I do like that they didn't give us, like, a fake. Like, we're so. So we're listening and we're gonna do better. Like, I'm glad we didn't get that type of statement. Cause I'm over those statements. Yes, we're listening and we're learning and thank you for educating. And we're gonna take time to, you know, go hire a DEI specialist.

[Zach Peter]

I think people are done being threatened and scared, and it's nice to just be like, fine, stop following me, bitch. Like, I just. Like, whatever. Like, what do you want from me?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

At this point, like, you're not. You don't have the strength that you think that you had, like, your time is over.

[Heather McDonald]

Your strength is in the fear. If I'm afraid, then you have power. But if I'm not afraid of you anymore, then, like, you don't hold power over me.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

So.

[Zach Peter]

But she came to an event and they said. I watched this video from tmz. Sydney Sweeney heckler blasts her for racist ad during Americana premiere. It was just one person, though.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

It wasn't like an angry mob. It was just one person. I also feel like this angry mob has gotten a lot lazier.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Like, it's really like, we're showing up again.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, no, they're tired.

[Zach Peter]

Okay. We are gonna be watching tonight the second part two of the reunion of the Valley. We know that Jax has stepped down from the show. He is no longer gonna be a main cast, a cast member at all for what he's saying, at least for next season. And also, he's no longer part of his restaurant. They took down the sign. And what is your feelings of what that was? Because I first thought it was probably. They didn't. Either the thing was up or it was a mutual agreement that, hey, we're not going to continue with it having you be on this thing. And he really had no say because he. I know he didn't have a financial stake in it. It was just like they were using his. His likeness and his name and everything to get people in there. And then I assume he made a profit every month.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So. But now I'm like, maybe he did say take me down and I want to have a fresh start and no income so that I can.

[Heather McDonald]

A little too practical for Jack's. Taylor.

[Zach Peter]

So can I. So I can get my spousal support from Brittany and show that I've had four months of absolutely no income, and therefore she's got to pay me.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Besides, he. He's got to be making some money on the mind of a man or whatever podcast.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

However, if he ends that as well, then I think my theory is right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think that makes sense. I. I'm sure Rocco, because it's. It's not like he had his own bar. It was like a patio on Rocco's that they turned into Jax's. Like, it was still part of Rocco's right next door. And I'm sure Rocco's was. And they were supposed to do that with Brittany in West Hollywood, but that never came up. But I think.

[Zach Peter]

But I think that didn't happen because these very experienced, successful restaurateurs probably realized this is a fleeting thing. People are not going to be coming night after night. They're going to come once. They're going to come once when they're visiting from the Midwest. It didn't work with the two Schwartz. Schwartz and Sandy. I don't know how Tom Tom is still doing because Tom Tom still exists.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And sure still exists. Pump is gone.

[Heather McDonald]

When I want like a low key. If I have to do dinner in West Hollywood and I want like a low key drink afterwards, I'm like, oh, I'll just go to Tom Tom. It's not that busy.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, you can get a table.

[Heather McDonald]

I do like Tom. It's not.

[Zach Peter]

I love the food and I like the prettiness and the atmosphere is gorgeous. I like the vibe, like openness.

[Heather McDonald]

But it's. I mean, and it was similar to like with Sir. Like, it's the novelty that people chase after.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. And so I think they kind of realized like this and there isn't. And to have an all kind of a girl positive bar in West Hollywood. I was like, I just don't think this is what's happening. We know and we know that the younger generation isn't going out and drinking as much. All these places are having to have like events and things to get people in and so where the food really matters and things like that. Because not everyone's drinking. And then when the food does matter, they're not ordering as much because of Ozempic and like, and they're not drinking as much because of Ozempic. All of it. So it's like, how do we make this work?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And they have to kind of rethink these things.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I just don't think it was that profitable. Like you said, people come and unless there's an event or even how many karaoke nights can you do where people want to come and do karaoke with Jax at Jackson Bar in Studio City? Like, it's not a place.

[Zach Peter]

The novelty wears off.

[Heather McDonald]

It's like, especially because you have Rocco's right next door that like, if you just want to go to a bar and have a drink and watch a game or whatever, like, you can just do that at, in, in the actual Rocco's. So I just don't think it was that profitable. I think they probably wanted to pull out. I think he was fired from the Valley and I think, you know, he now, I mean, your theory about spousal support. Somebody probably told him like this Lori Kay, his publicist who he was allegedly banging, she was probably like, listen, this would be A really good idea. Just like say you're doing it for your mental health and then lose all your income. And then in the divorce, she has to pay you out because you're going to need spousal support, but you need to prove that you don't have an income. Like, I think that theory actually does make sense. And they're just doing it as like a spin. I mean, come on, he's doing this all for his mental health. I mean, listen, are not he.

[Zach Peter]

The judge can't force him to get a job at Home Depot. No, he's gonna say, I've been in Entertainment for 20 years.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I'm gonna try to get a job in entertainment. Or he keeps the podcast. This is my income. It's, you know, whatever. It's $6,000 a month. Let's say that's what he makes. Whatever. Brittany is averaging 82,000amonth. Who knows what it is? So you gotta pay me some. And it's like, I know this is just making people, like, so angry because we see, you know, what a dedicated mom and how hard she tried as a wife, but this is what happens in California. And they didn't have a prenup. And he said, no. Cause I'm gonna be with her forever. And you know, and she probably never would have predicted that she would have been the one that's like the, you know, the breadwinner and all of that. So. And then this was funny. So these shoes, you said they were on TikTok. I did not. You mean they're. It's a big ad that you see on TikTok.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I think they're kind of genius. So they make you two and a half inches taller. Inches taller. And someone recognized them while he was sitting there. And he looks nice that he's only 5, 10. So this would put him, you know, closer to 6ft. And anyway, I think it's a great ad for the shoes. I would never know, looking at them that they.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, not unless you look closely. Because at first I didn't think anything of them. But then when you look when he's.

[Zach Peter]

Sitting there, it looks. When he's standing here. It does not. It does not. You cannot tell. No, they're white, like slip on leather tennis shoes that you can kind of, you know, wear with a more dressy outfit. And I mean, when Brock wore the leopard.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh my God.

[Zach Peter]

Boots with the high. I mean, that's an obvious high heel boot. Yeah, that's like Prince.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Like what the.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, or when he did the after show and he had those. Were they black or maybe they're the same ones.

[Zach Peter]

I'm thinking of, like crocodile black leather.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Boots.

[Heather McDonald]

And they had, like, the biggest heel. I was like, those are obviously heels. And he's so tall. But yeah, Jax, I mean, listen, let him get his extra two inches.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And how do you feel about the news that allegedly Sheena and Lala are going to be joining the Valley?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I'm not surprised by it. I feel like we all kind of anticipated it coming. And then without Jax, like, I. Yeah, I think.

[Zach Peter]

I think you need it. And I think. I think it'll be good.

[Heather McDonald]

It'll be good. And people will then warm up to Sheena and Lala again.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, they're just mad at them because of the Ariana stuff. But I even feel like some of the Bravo audience is even kind of annoyed with Ariana and people.

[Zach Peter]

Look, we want to see.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Where their. Sheena and Rock's relationship is. And I mean, it's one thing to reveal to even a couple girlfriends, hey, my man cheated a year ago.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And most of us and the friends will talk and be like, you need to get out, blah, blah, blah. It's another thing to put it in a book, go on a tour, share it. And you have to walk around and know that everybody knows that your man did this.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And where do you want to go with this? And, you know, so I think. I think. Yeah, let's see. Let's see it happen. Let's see what goes on with it. Let's see if single ladies go to go to Vegas.

[Heather McDonald]

Lala's so good at, like, pushing the storylines forward that I think you kind of need somebody that's a bit of a. Of a stronger.

[Zach Peter]

That's an expert at this. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

That can. Because some of, like, Michelle is so boring. She's so boring. Her. And like Jesse, like, at least apparently he did come.

[Zach Peter]

Made some comment. Her boyfriend. I mean, I definitely think they're broken up. The honey. Honey guy.

[Heather McDonald]

The honey guy.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

He's. No, she's so, like, there's nothing interesting about her. Janet's not likable. Britney's not that likable. I think once Jax is out of the picture, maybe we can see, you know, her kind of have her. Her, you know, come out of the shadow story. Like Sheena and Lala, I think can spice things up.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, I do.

[Heather McDonald]

And the audience will fall in love with them again.

[Zach Peter]

And I do love the support that Kristen and was giving Brittany, like, I really loved it when she's like, you know, what's really powerful is when you speak to someone in a calm manner. Like whatever how she said it, it like really did show growth. And I really do believe, like when she's, you got your back, she's got your back kind of a girl. So I like to.

[Heather McDonald]

And I want to see Kristen and Lala hash out their beef.

[Zach Peter]

Yes. And they will because they're similar types. So they would get along. This was kind of cute. This was from. What's this guy's name again?

[Heather McDonald]

Guillermo.

[Zach Peter]

Guillermo who? You know, we know he's a hot looking gray haired guy. That was Lisa Vanderpump's right hand man. He posted a photo of him holding his daughter on his lap with dark hair. And now she. I don't know. I mean, you know, you never know how old people are. So this. She could be 14 or she could be 24, I don't know. But she's very attractive. And it got me thinking, oh, my God, this whole Next Gen thing. And Next Gen appears to be a hit. People are very into it. This is the Next Gen, you know, with Gia and Brooks from Salt Lake City and then a couple other kids.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Riley, Arianna.

[Zach Peter]

Did you watch it?

[Heather McDonald]

I saw the first episode and maybe some of the second episode.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, I didn't follow it all the way through, but it's an interesting idea. And now there's talk of Next Gen la. That one I'm excited about.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And some of the people that they're talking about are Kyle Richards daughters, Alexia and Sophia. I could see Sophia doing it. Maybe not Alexia. Alexia is the one that actually does real estate with Farah and is like getting married.

[Heather McDonald]

She kind of liked being on what was.

[Zach Peter]

She was good on it.

[Heather McDonald]

Buying Beverly Hills.

[Zach Peter]

She. She definitely, like, knew how to make it happen.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So, yeah, you're right.

[Heather McDonald]

I think she would be good.

[Zach Peter]

But Sophia says she's very tired of being a influencer and it's harder than she thought. And she quit the real estate, so she's definitely got to get on this show.

[Heather McDonald]

For sure. She's just kind of boring.

[Zach Peter]

Adrian Maloof's sons, Gavin, Colin and Christian are also rumored to be in the mix. So they have an older son and then they have the twins. But the twins are only like 19.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And I don't know. I don't know what their college status is, but I'm thinking they're a little too young for this.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Okay. Camille Grammer's daughter, Mason. She also has A boy. But I could see Mason since she modeled and stuff. She's pretty blonde and you know, her dad is Kelsey Grammer, so if she's pursuing any kind of acting, that'd be fun to watch. Heather Dubrow's son Nick, who is got his real estate license. I think he's either graduating or has one year left of lmu, so. And he's already like, likes to be on. Cameron was with the Altman brothers.

[Heather McDonald]

He's the cute one, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then Larsa Pippen's son, Preston, so that could be kind of good. Remember, I think he's the one that we saw recently. He did his like, first modeling gig with her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

In like London or whatever. You know, I, I, I think it could be really great. And I think you again, throw in like a couple others that are actually their friends.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And then you. And then we go to Real House. We go to Next Gen oc.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh my God, I want Brandi Glanville. Sons should do.

[Zach Peter]

Okay, let's talk about Brady Glanville. Brandi Glanville. Her, her reality show is Follow the Parasite. Follow the Parasite is the best new reality show next to Spencer Pratt's about taking down the politicians in California is Let's take down the parasite that came from Morocco.

[Heather McDonald]

She calls it Caroline. She calls the she.

[Zach Peter]

This is by Caroline. This is by parasite Caroline. And she put Nair on her face, which, you know, Nair removes hair on your legs. I'm sure they have a version for like a little stache, but her face is all red. So I think she's rage baiting us, I think, because then the next day she does a photo and it's completely filtered and she looks okay. So I'm like, is the parasite still hanging out or not? It is. Is this squatter rights? What's happening? That's another thing she needs to get with Spencer Pratt. They need to take over squatter rights. I have a parasite living in me. This person can't get their renter out. Like, what's going on?

[Heather McDonald]

I think it might be in her head.

[Zach Peter]

You think?

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know if the parasite is real because nobody can find it, but she's convinced that it, like moves all around her face. And she says that when she puts Nair on it, the parasite doesn't like it. So then it moves to her forehead.

[Zach Peter]

And she wants it living in your.

[Heather McDonald]

Forehead, but she says she puts Nair on her face because it's like, you know, Tamara did the CO2 facial and it like rejuvenated. So she Says that's what Nair does. It's like a chemical facial. And so she just puts Nair. Like the one for your legs, though, not like the little.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

One for your. Your stash. And she puts that on her face so that it can burn her face like a chemical peel. And then it just kind of rejuvenates. And then she. But she says the parasite doesn't like the Nair.

[Zach Peter]

Caroline Manzo does. Caroline Dorito is. Has her memoir coming out 100%. I mean, housewife memoirs, when done right, are good. Sheena's book is good.

[Heather McDonald]

Sheena's book. Listen, I know people hate on her, but Sheena's book was good. And she spilled good tea. And she says, lisa. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And she said, lisa, what smells like cigarettes and chardonnay?

[Zach Peter]

Oh, really?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, she kind of. She.

[Zach Peter]

I'm glad I don't smoke, because I probably do smell like Chardonnay.

[Heather McDonald]

She's just like, Lisa was really upset when I think it was Erica or.

[Zach Peter]

Someone said that about her. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's like, lisa was so upset. And, you know, she would give us things. She'd be like, I can't tell you what to do, darling. But, like, here's the thing. Here's what I would say if I were you. And she would be like. And I would always send it to Defender.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. So. But anyway, and then there's some. I'm gonna tell you some memoirs. Cause I've read them all that were not. That gave us nothing. One being Dorinda's.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Dorinda's gave us nothing.

[Zach Peter]

And, you know, she could have shared if she was. To be honest, the juice about her life and her marriage and the husband that died gave us nothing. Margaret Joseph's. Very good.

[Heather McDonald]

I liked it. And I liked that she got into her lawsuits. She, like, got into, like.

[Zach Peter]

She was everything. That one was really good. Ramona coaster.

[Heather McDonald]

I didn't read that one.

[Zach Peter]

Excellent.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Really shared about what happened with Mario and other. Some other things. Pretty good. Luann's was just about etiquette.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I feel like if she wants to do another one, she could.

[Heather McDonald]

Let me think of Kyle's was Kyle. And Lisa also did those.

[Zach Peter]

Wait, Kyle had one? Oh, no, Kyle had one that was like.

[Heather McDonald]

It was like a lifestyle. How to live in Beverly Hills. Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

No, that wasn't juice.

[Heather McDonald]

Eric.

[Zach Peter]

That wasn't a memory.

[Heather McDonald]

I liked Eric. Pretty mess was good.

[Zach Peter]

Erica's was good. However, we need a second one.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. We need the follow up.

[Zach Peter]

Because what I missed from Erica's was I Loved hearing about her life and things leading up to meeting Tom.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Now, this came out before his legal troubles and everything was exposed. I was like, I wanted to hear what it was like to be the third wife in this very high end, snooty world of LA law. And was she received? Did she make any girlfriends? Did she ever feel like she had to, like, brush up on how to act at a country club? She's walking around San Marino, which is the only place that old LA money exists. Like, real. Like people are care about this kind of. And I was like, that's what I wanted to know more about. So I still think she could come back with her, but I still enjoyed it.

[Heather McDonald]

I want to hear about her finding out about Gigolo Bigelow, the judge that he bought a butt for in a beach house. How she. Because remember that she posted the text messages on Instagram?

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. She needs to have a whole nother memoir thing going on.

[Heather McDonald]

What was their sleeping arrangement? How often was she sleeping with him? Like, what? You know, wait, Gigolo.

[Zach Peter]

Wait, which one was that?

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, her name is Trisha Bigelow, was her name.

[Zach Peter]

Oh, the.

[Heather McDonald]

The mistress. She was a judge. She was a judge and he was sleeping with her and he bought her a new butt.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And he bought her a beach house. Yes. Yeah. That's why when everybody's like, Erica, we.

[Zach Peter]

Want to know about that. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Everyone was bitching about Erica giving up the earrings. And I was like, we'll go hit up the judge and have her give back her butt. Like, if everybody has to give back the gifts that Tom gave them.

[Zach Peter]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

Repossess.

[Zach Peter]

You know who also got gifts? Gavin.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Gavin Newsom, Spencer, Joe Biden.

[Zach Peter]

Like, yeah. Like, what, are they all going to give it up? Like, are they. Where's that donation, you know, $100,000 from, you know, eight years ago? Are you going to go return that? Yeah, she's. That whole $25 million, you know, someone was kind of breaking it down in defense of her. And they're like, so she spent. When you go through the years. So it was $2 million a year on her business.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it was 12 years.

[Zach Peter]

Not insane. Especially when she met him as a waitress with a bag of clothes. As a third wife, told she could spend what she wanted. They had an arrangement where he probably was like, go be busy with your gays and sing because I'm fucking this judge. And she was like, fine. Who cares? And then I also think that these glam squad people probably triple charged her than the lady down the street. Because she was generous and she didn't know, and she was, like, happy to have their loyalty. And I think that might have also happened with the other lawsuit of the fashion designer Marco.

[Heather McDonald]

Marco, I know you put two gays on camera and tell them to cry for Hulu, and they're going to work. They're going to do the waterworks. I mean, but it was that story so crazy, because it's like, it was obvious that they were overcharging her. And then they admitted it. Like, they act like Erica called, like, some special ops to come and arrest them. And it's like, no, you guys admitted over email that you overcharged her 100 grand or about 100 grand, and then you admitted it again on wire. So you've confessed to doing. To not invoicing her and then overcharging her accidentally. A hundred grand. Like, that's crazy. Like, yeah, that's why you guys were arrested. And I'm sorry, your. Your clients are Katy Perry, but, like, Erica Jane ruined your life. Like, it was just. And then. Yeah. And. And their publicist reached out to me recently. I was like, do you want the tea? Do you want the dirt? And anytime, like, the only other, like, housewife person that's done that is Ebony Kate Williams, when she was launching her podcast, and then her publicist would reach out to me and, like, try to give me things, and I'm like, I don't want you. Like, I don't trust you. When your publicist is trying to plant stories other places.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Which then you're fighting for justice.

[Zach Peter]

Which then leads us to Real Housewives of OC and the stories of Katie, the newest girl, you know, giving. Pointing out things or giving info to people that, you know, feel special that she's befriended them over dm. And then the other housewives don't like that. What is your assessment of this situation?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I know she's still DMing with podcasters and creators and stuff, and I'm just like, stop. Because, like, clearly, you can't trust any of them because they're going to screenshot it and blast you at some point, and it just. It never ends well. I don't know. They all do it. They all DM bloggers. They all. They all do it. Even the ones like, I would not. They all do it. They, you know, they all act like.

[Zach Peter]

They'Re your friends, and then they say, now, I swear to God, you better not say anything. You know, and. And some of them don't say anything. And they're like, well, that was A waste of a phone call. And then out of the other of them do. And then in some extreme cases, like in New Jersey, there seems to be evidence that people are actually getting, you know, a financial reward from it back.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So, like, you know, here we have it all. And then poor Monica, the. The bontees teese or whatever that was. What was that reality? She's like, hello. I actually made a whole show, and I'm, like, home with nothing. Like. Like, you guys were ready to burn me at the stake like a witch during Salem time. She's back in her and she'. All I did was, you know, make a little fun of Jen about Jen. And, like, you guys really literally burned me at the stake. Like, it's. It's crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

They sent her back to her studio apartment.

[Zach Peter]

I mean, and now she has nothing.

[Heather McDonald]

We haven't heard from her.

[Zach Peter]

Justice for that girl.

[Heather McDonald]

She fizzled out fast.

[Zach Peter]

Speaking of which, did you see that Ghislaine is moving to Texas to hang out with Elizabeth Holmes and Jen.

[Heather McDonald]

Mm. Have you seen the pop photos of Jen?

[Zach Peter]

I'm just. Have we checked the flight pattern for Alex Baskin? Is he on his way to Texas anytime soon? To be like, can I have you sign a contract? Four years from now, we're gonna put you guys on the ultimate girls trip to Morocco with Brandon Glanville, who's down to finger you and you all end up with parasites. Let's do it.

[Heather McDonald]

Jen would do it in a heartbeat, you know, and every time I see the paparazzi photos of Jen in prison, like, she looks like she's living her best life. She's got jewelry. She got a new Apple watch. She had new Nikes on. She was doing her power walking with her little visor. And I'm like, did you see speak.

[Zach Peter]

Of getting out of jail, Chris Todd Chrisley saying to his wife, when I saw you with your gray hair, I was ready to turn back around and go right back to the prison cell. We're like, as if her hair color is what made you attracted to a woman. And she's kind of like, what? I'm like, oh, come on, girl. Like, this guy. Now I feel like he says shit like that too to get people talking and interested. Because he's like, for, I have never come out as gay. There has been little something something, but there's never been any real evidence of a guy who's like, I was his lover for years.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And if there was, I think we would know it.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, there was the guy that came out in court, the One that turned them in. And he's like, yeah, we had a. Well, he called it an emotional affair, but he said that they were nervous.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah, no, I need, like, I need the state. I need photos.

[Heather McDonald]

I need the Michael Darby Grinder pictures.

[Zach Peter]

And I. And also the girl that was took a photo of him in his underwear at the hotel, in which she told Ashley, I met this woman. She was very tired. She said, can I go up to your room and just take a nap? And I trusted her. You know these stories. Like, it's like, remember the one with Potomac? What was that one with Robyn being like, this girl met my husband on dm, and she was coming out here to meet a guy, and. And when she got here, she had left her wallet in the bin at TSA or something. And out of all the people to call, she decided to call my husband, who never told me that this girl was actually a fan of Potomac. And so then he went and called and gave his credit card so that she could just have a place to stay. I mean, it's paying it forward. It's doing a Christian service. I mean, these stories and like, they.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, does Robin believe. This is my question. Like, is she trying to convince herself that that's a real story, or is she just.

[Zach Peter]

Here's the thing. If anybody asked it wants to go on a reality show with your husband, the first thing you need to do with your husband is if he has Instagram, it's gone.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Facebook is gone. That's it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Nobody can DM him unless they go to his house and knock on the door and say, I hate your wife and I'd like to suck your dick. Other than that, you are not getting to my man.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Like, yeah, these fans that DM your husband are doing this so that they can screen grab it and then get a podcast with Ariana's old assistant. What's her name? Where did she go?

[Heather McDonald]

And.

[Zach Peter]

And Lala's old assistant.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And Sutton's old assistant.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And the four of you can go talk about the scoop you have on these people, because there's nothing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Amazing. Okay, what else. What else do you think of this season? Are you liking them on O.C.

[Heather McDonald]

It'S fine. It's fine. Like, it's all about Katie and I. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's.

[Zach Peter]

What are we gonna do?

[Heather McDonald]

I'm tired of Tamara always crying about Teddy. I get it. Like, it's hard and. And for, like, for Teddy, but, like, for Tamara, like, I don't believe that she's Actually, like. Like, I feel like she's playing it up for the show. Like, and I just feel it makes me kind of grossed out. Cause I'm just like. Like, Teddi's going through something real, and her, like, life is, like, on the line here, and I just don't feel like your friends should make your illness a storyline to, like, make themselves more interesting.

[Zach Peter]

Well, we also don't know what else she was doing, and they chose to, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Because Teddy is a star.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

So I'm gonna say that for that, but.

[Heather McDonald]

No, but Erica and Teddy were just on their podcast, and Erica's like, do you think it's weird that they keep showing you and you're not even on this show? And Teddy's like, it is kind of weird. Like, because it's like, the show's, like, producing this whole storyline about Teddy, and, like, Teddy's not even on the show.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And I think. I think what's also really weird is that, like, talk about the bo. Tamara is the bone collector. She will save a nugget of. She is that friend that you confided in and then will, like, look at you and be like, you know, I know everything. Like, it's fun. Like, she is such a blackmailer.

[Heather McDonald]

She has the arsenal.

[Zach Peter]

There's nothing like the moment that they were on the reunion couches and she was in a fight with Vicki or something. And during the reunion, she's like, you. You know, you called me our fun night in Cabo and said, I was so drunk last night, and there's a naked guy laying next to me. And Vicky, you could just tell she was like, you know what happened? You know what happened. That's why they're divorced. You know, dawn and her had an open marriage. Whatever. Brooke was in the. Brooks was in the picture a year before, but she looked at her, and she was just like, tamara, why'd you say that? You're disgusting. And it's something that, like, even the audience is like, I don't care if you're no longer friends with this girl. You don't break bitch code. Like, you don't break code of, like, what happened in Vegas stays in Vegas. Like, not only did you spill it, you spill it on a reunion, which happened in the Southern charm one time, too. But then she also. It's, you know, the first time she did it and she knew it worked great is when she's like, you went to Bass Lake. So it's like, she's always like. And so with this thing, I'm like, You had this nugget for, like, a year. Yeah, because I didn't realize this thing was filmed. That when Katie filmed Shannon having a freakout, which is. How many videos of her freaking out are there? Probably hundreds. So freaking out. And then right after, showed it to Alexis, because she's probably just like, hey, girl, you know, you might want to see this. This is what I saw. I witnessed it, whatever. Trying to warm up to Alexis. Alexis then told Tamara at that time, I saw her freak out. And Tamara's like, we'll see. We'll see if Katie, you know, is someone I like in a year. And so then it wasn't. And then she's like, by the way, Katie filmed Shannon. And Katie's like, that was a year ago. Like, a year and a half. Like, it was a year ago. So it was literally two for us. It was literally two years ago that this happened.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And. And now we have to, like, have a lie detector person. Like, the Bravo lie detector person. The same guy that, like, did the least of Vanderbilt. Oh, man. And, like. Oh, my God. And like. Yeah, I. And then, you know, and I can't wait to watch that scene, you know, because they'll do, like, a couple funnies to begin with, you know? Like, it'll be like, Emily sitting there, and they'll say, you know, do you or do you not have two espresso martinis a night? Yes, I do. Espresso martini. Like, it's gonna be, like, a couple dumb things like that, and then it's just gonna be, like, trying to nail her to the cross. Like Vicki said, I've been nailed to the cross. Yeah. So we'll see what happens with. With all of that. Gretchen and Slade, Are you happy to see them back?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Why not?

[Heather McDonald]

I haven't really. I mean, I'm.

[Zach Peter]

What do you think about when Gina's got a big apology to do? When she was cackling about.

[Heather McDonald]

About Gretchen looking like a Barbie filter.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. And, like, her hair. And they were all, like, it was such a mean girl moment.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And listen, girls talk like that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And you forget the cameras are on and you've had a few drinks at the $80,000 party that only 14 people were at.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. There's nobody there.

[Zach Peter]

And of Heather Bros. And. But Gina, of all people, like, laughing with her lack of style, her, you know, Teemu clothes and her hair extensions.

[Heather McDonald]

Everybody pulled up all the screenshots of all of Gina's bad moments. I mean, I know Gretchen doesn't, like. She does look like a Barbie filter. But, like, if that's like the worst jab that they were trying to throw at her, like, that's better than the way they dragged Gina for her extensions and her. Her wig just last season. Her hair last season with that. That bob that she had on that everyone was dragging her for. So she still hasn't nailed it.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah. No. And, I mean, I can found a.

[Heather McDonald]

Look, and the look works for her. And maybe like, Lisa Rinna, she's had it for 20 years, but you know what? It works for her. And she looks great.

[Zach Peter]

And likely Serena, her hair is not a wig. Gretchen's hair. That's all her hair. Like, I've talked to her. She's shown it to me. It is all her hair. She just has long, big, thick hair, and that's the look and color she likes, you know, and it's just like. And I mean, I think she's fun to look at.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, she's gorgeous.

[Zach Peter]

So to me, that's a fun. I want to see what, you know, cupcake type outfit she has on with her rich friends.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you want to talk about Denise?

[Zach Peter]

What's going on with Denise Richards?

[Heather McDonald]

She's filming Beverly Hills again. She's back. She looks so skinny.

[Zach Peter]

Well, I can imagine she's going through hell.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

She's with the love of. She was with who she thought was the lover of life, who she probably realized as far back as probably three years ago that. Oh, yeah. And she's stuck in this thing. I totally believe her. She's so. I'm glad that she's getting her story out on the show, and I think the show is brilliant. I would pay her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

Whatever it was to get her to come and share her story.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't even think they paid her much. I think they just. I mean, but I think they should bring back Denise and bring back Teddy, like, both of them with the, you know, everything going on in their lives. But so, yeah, Denise.

[Zach Peter]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

TMZ showed her filming. She was having lunch with Sutton and Erica. And listen, I. I want to hear her side of the story because, like, last we saw, she was like, you know, she told Brandy, don't tell anybody about us hooking up because Aaron said, he'll kill me. And Brandy went and ran with it on the show, and obviously we thought it was hyperbolic. But now hearing all the allegations, it's like there was a reason she was sending out the cease and desist and doing Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. And telling them, if you ever want me on this show, you better edit that out. Like, yeah. Because there was so much that was going on in her life. But I also get the other women. Like, I do think Lisa pushed her too hard. Lisa Rinna. But I do get their point of, like, well, she's clearly hiding something. Why is she sending Cease and Desist? Why isn't she being honest? Like, obviously, they knew the extent of it.

[Zach Peter]

I feel like the cease and desist, honestly makes so much sense because she actually was, like, fucking terrified of him.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

But I mean, actually makes me really sad now that I think about that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. With this new perspective.

[Zach Peter]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

I understand the women at the time because it made it. It made it just seem like she was trying to hide a lesbian affair. And they're like, we don't care if you have a lesbian affair. Like, just. Just be honest. Like, we all live our lives honestly. You need to live a while.

[Zach Peter]

And we don't know what is going.

[Heather McDonald]

On with she who Shall Not Be Named. Yeah. So, yeah. And I. I get it. Where they were coming from. And then now it's. It's sad to really look at what she was dealing with behind the scenes and then to know they have, like, Eloise at home. And I can only imagine what she's.

[Zach Peter]

Seen because he accused her of, you know, not being a great parent to Eloise. And that's where I'm like, you, dude. Like, I don't even want to hear your thoughts on that. So, breaking news. After we talked about Denise being filming on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recently. This just broke as we were wrapping up. Read it, Zach.

[Heather McDonald]

TMZ reports that Denise Richards and Aaron Piper's divorce has escalated further, with police being called after Denise showed up at Aaron's Calabasas home, which he shares with his parents and his brother, to retrieve their dog. Denise has a restraining order against Aaron, so her presence there violated that order. Sources say Denise showed up unannounced, banged on the back door, and entered the home after Aaron left to avoid violating the order. Once inside, she allegedly screamed at Aaron's parents, told them to leave, and confronted his brother, even reportedly swinging at him and throwing mail.

[Zach Peter]

The way I understand it from the series, which I did not tell them about what I heard, this is her home or she's on the lease and they'd put the parents in there.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Zach Peter]

So imagine you're going through all this. He's. He has gone on the record to say that you are an alcoholic, that you got your own black eye because you were drunk.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

That you haven't been appropriate parent. I don't know if he's actually said abuse, but not good to the daughter. And. And, you know, and he has your dog. And she probably shouldn't have done that. She didn't think it through. Not everybody listens to their attorney, especially when you're obviously in a toxic relationship and you're both toxic. But now, of course, his side of the family are the. With the witnesses to it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

And so it's all his people saying, she acted crazy. She did this.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Zach Peter]

She yelled at us.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm sure she showed up wanting the dog, and she waited for him to leave so that there was no interaction between the two of them. Who knew? Who knows if she knew if the parents and the brother were home or not or whatever. But I'm sure she went and she was like, I'm getting my dog. The parents and the brother probably escalated. There was probably an argument and they were probably going at each other, and she got the dog and she left. But then they called the police. And how convenient that all these details leak into tmz. Like, it's just, I think they're planting stories to make her look crazy and erratic.

[Zach Peter]

In the words of Judge Judy, give her back a dog. Always give back the dog.

[Heather McDonald]

Always give back the dog.

[Zach Peter]

So, yeah, I'm, I'm that it's going to be a great season that I heard that doesn't even start airing till January. Yeah, I'm so bummed it won't be airing during. What I'm gonna talk about next is that I will be at Bravocon, everybody. I won't be at BravoCon, but I'll be there that weekend doing my own show November 14, which will be very, very juicy. But yeah, I think Salt Lake City will be airing during that time and maybe some other things. But yeah, I cannot wait for DC. So anyway, go to heathermcdonald.net and then if you. You gotta follow Zach, if you haven't already. He puts out such great content. Tell everybody where they can find you. And if they're in LA and are free on Sunday or make yourself free. Where can they see your juicy show?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Miracle Filter show. Yeah, no Filter Live. I mean, we've had a bunch of great show. We just. I just got back from Chicago with Jenny McCarthy. That was a lot of fun. We have Chloe Veach, who's on Netflix. She's in the show this weekend. Spill Sesh. She got subpoenaed by Blake. It's funny, all the creators that I invite because I always like to do a Hot Topics panel before our featured guest and everybody that was booked throughout the tour, like they were booked for a while. They all ended up getting subpoenas by Blake. So we're all coming. And tell everyone, bring your friends, bring your subpoenas. Come hang out. Get your [e-mail] and come hang with us.

[Zach Peter]

Bring your flowers, bring your subpoenas. Thank you so much. This was so fun, as always. Thank you, Zach.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you.