Brandi & Julie on Summer House Finale, Alex Cooper’s Pregnancy Apology & A Deadly Hiking Trip

Summary

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Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Brandi & Julie on Summer House Finale, Alex Cooper’s Pregnancy Apology & A Deadly Hiking Trip

Date: May 21, 2026
Guests: Julie Goldman & Brandi Howard

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Episode Overview

In this lively and laughter-filled episode, Heather McDonald is joined by comedians and podcasters Julie Goldman and Brandi Howard (of “Dumb Gay Podcast”) to break down the “Summer House” season finale and cast shakeups, dissect Alex Cooper’s viral pregnancy news and long-overdue apology, and discuss some wild true-crime headlines involving influencer-fueled crime and a deadly family hiking trip. The trio brings their signature irreverent humor and sharp pop culture insights to Bravo updates, influencer drama, and the juiciest stories making waves in entertainment and reality TV.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Epstein File “Reading Room” Pop-Up in NYC

• [03:40-07:30]
  Julie and Brandi describe participating in a charity event involving a 24-hour “filibuster-style” live reading at a room filled with Jeffrey Epstein’s files.
  • Julie: “It’s a reading room, they’re calling it a reading room.” (04:08)
  • They embraced the absurdity, turning their 3 a.m. time slot into a full-blown improv skit. Julie played a lawyer, Brandi a deposed perv, and they entertained 197 nocturnal fans.
  • Notable Quote:
    “We just did 45 minutes of solid acting. By the end, we were, like, tossing the script pages down, yelling at each other, total ‘A Few Good Men’ style.” – Julie (07:31)
• The trio briefly reflects on the surreal experience, joking about the odd mix of humor and horror in true crime.

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The Saga of a Failed Girls Night Out (Ronda Rousey Fight Fiasco)

• [08:04-11:56]
  Julie and Brandi recount trying to catch a women’s UFC fight in West Hollywood, trekking through multiple bars unsuccessfully.
  • The night ends at Dave & Buster’s in Hollywood, which they describe as “trashy trash.”
  • Julie: “I threw up in the parking garage.” (10:57)
  • The fight itself lasted only 14 seconds—Heather’s decision to stay home proved wise.
  • Notable Quote:
    “There’s nothing better than not going to a fun event and then hearing you missed nothing.” – Heather (09:16)
• The segment highlights their playful banter and disaster-story expertise.

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Summer House Finale & Bravo Universe Deep Dive

• [12:00-21:46]
  Heather and guests dissect the “Summer House” finale, the aging cast, and franchise spinoffs. Key points:
  • The emotional gravity of the finale, signifying an end of an era for the OG cast.
    • “It felt like they knew this is sort of the end of them doing Summer House.” – Heather (14:30)
    • “You cannot be 40 sharing a house with people.” – Heather (14:36)
  • Amanda and Kyle’s breakup scene, staged for the cameras:
    “Per contract, I have to tell you, we’re done. To keep this paycheck coming…” – Heather (15:02)
  • Spinoffs “the Valley” and “in the City” are discussed with skepticism.
    • “I just think she’s not enough to anchor a show, and Lindsay definitely is.” – Julie (20:33)
  • Juicy headline: Danielle allegedly gave Carl a hand job one week after a breakup.
    “Let’s save this juice for when the week airs of the show!” – Heather (27:34)
  • The meta reality of Bravo shows—cast pitching their friends and spouses knowing their marriages might implode for TV fame.
    • “What is the pitch as a Lindsay who’s like, ‘Okay, I do have a couple friends… but your marriage is not gonna last… but you get to go to BravoCon!’” – Heather (21:38)

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Critique of Influencer & Reality TV Ethics

• [25:21-38:53]
  • The group reflects on the folly of people with messy lives or criminal pasts going on reality TV:
    “If you’re thinking about going on reality TV…and you’re hiding anything… you will be revealed. So probably not best to do the show.” – Brandi (25:21)
  • Discussion shifts to Bethenny Frankel’s influencer drama, being called out for not tagging small businesses or promoting "dupes" over original products.
    • “You don’t know if the dupe is good. The dupe shoe could have fallen off your foot!” – Heather (35:08)
  • Alex Cooper’s pregnancy, marriage, and the fallout from her past “Call Her Daddy” content:
    • “It’s a brilliant chess move to say ‘I’m unbothered because I’m pregnant.’ People will stop talking about you negatively.” – Heather (38:46)

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The Alex Cooper Baby Apology Discussion

• [39:10-49:46]
  • The group revisits the disturbing “Call Her Daddy” bit where hosts mocked a Bachelor couple’s unborn baby for months, sexualizing the child in recurring segments.
    • “They were incessantly, every week, talking about her baby… turning her baby into a full-grown slut.” – Julie (41:00)
  • Heather and the group agree that, should a similar situation arise now, they’d offer a sincere, public apology and address it on-air.
    • “If I did see this coming and now I am pregnant, even though it was years ago, I would address it on my show 100%.” – Heather (46:36)
    • “Sarah Silverman said it really well: comedy is of what is timely at the time… It doesn’t mean you have to think about it forever.” – Heather (47:57)

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Bravo/Reality TV Highlights: Selling Sunset, RHONJ, and Beyond

• [50:02-59:03]
  • Major cast exits on “Selling Sunset” and speculation on them joining Mauricio’s “The Agency.”
  • Nick Cannon’s “docu-series” about his multiple baby mamas.
  • Over-the-top influencer true crime:
    TikTok creator Gabby Gonzalez and her father arrested for allegedly plotting the murder of singer Jack Avery (her baby’s father) during a vicious custody battle.
    • “Hiring to kill your ex… is a classic story in the juicy crime world. It’s a big mistake.” – Heather (56:53)
  • Breakdown of how law enforcement builds “murder for hire” cases, complete with reality TV analogies.

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More Bravo Roundup: RHONY, The Valley, and More Scandalous Shenanigans

• [61:01-74:55]
  • Heather and guests connect the dots on all the Bravo drama:
    • Lala Kent repeatedly called back as the example of empowered single motherhood and “apex predator” status on TV.
    • The new “Real Housewives of Rhode Island” possibly manufacturing drama by bringing in a main character’s ex’s Miami girlfriend.
    • “With reality shows… the only thing really real about them is that you are this human and this is your name.” – Heather (64:04)
  • “The Valley” gets praise for being the darkest, most miserable reality about parenthood.
    • “I love seeing other people miserable… It really makes you not want [kids].” – Julie (64:54)
    • Lala’s takedown of Dani is lauded as the most satisfying justice ever served to a Bravo sleazebag.
      • Notable Quote:
        “She bent him over, pegged him through his mouth and took it back and then walked away, and then did it again. He needed it.” – Brandi (67:15)

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More Juicy Bits: Apologies, Nepotism, and Bad Behavior

• [75:07-88:10]
  • Breakdown of a deadly “Alpine divorce”: Mango clothing heir reportedly pushes father off a cliff (hiking-turned-homicide).
    • “They call it an Alpine divorce… Instead of getting divorced, you take your wife on a fun little environmental adventure.” – Julie (77:23)
    • Tangent on hiking mishaps and the terror of being stranded in the wild.
  • Apple Martin (daughter of Gwyneth Paltrow) is set to make her film debut—nepotism examined.
  • The ethics and futility of confronting your childhood bullies or being the bully.
    • “Why is no one doing that as a podcast? ‘I Was a Bully.’” – Julie (84:15)
    • Heather shares a formative moment where she participated in excluding a friend, which haunts her to this day.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Heather (on influencer callouts):
  “You don’t know if the dupe is good… Why are you recommending a shoe you’ve never worn?” (35:08)

• Brandi (on Lala Kent’s takedown of Dani):
  “She bent him over, pegged him through his mouth and took it back and then walked away… It’s the first time in history a woman checked a guy to the ground on Bravo.” (67:15)

• Julie (on “Summer House” finales):
  “You cannot be 40 sharing a house with people.” (14:36)

• Heather (on reality TV spinoffs):
  “With reality shows… the only thing really real is that you are this human and this is your name… Even the face isn’t real after a few seasons.” (64:04)

• Heather (on apologizing for offensive comedy):
  “I would address it and probably send a gift… Even if she’s acting like I never said sorry, I’d be able to say, ‘Here’s the FedEx receipt.’” (47:57)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Files reading/podcast improv: [03:40-07:54]
• Botched UFC girls’ night out: [08:04-11:56]
• Summer House and Bravo breakdown: [12:00-21:46]
• Reality TV ethics & white collar crime casting: [25:21-26:49]
• Bethenny Frankel and influencer tag drama: [35:08-38:46]
• Alex Cooper pregnancy and apology discussion: [39:10-49:46]
• Selling Sunset cast exodus: [50:02-52:01]
• Nick Cannon’s family docu-series: [52:08-53:56]
• TikTok murder-for-hire story: [54:54-60:56]
• Lala Kent’s domination of The Valley: [64:54-68:28]
• Bravo contract/payout speculation: [71:58-74:55]
• Mango heir’s deadly hiking trip: [75:07-79:03]
• Hiking horror stories: [79:38-82:28]
• Bullying, apologies, and the “I Was a Bully” podcast idea: [84:15-89:55]

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Episode Vibe

Snarky, rapid-fire, and totally unfiltered, this episode bounces between pop culture critique, Bravo deep-dives, influencer shade, bizarre true-crime, and personal confessions—all with the honest, conversational tone that “Juicy Scoop” is known for. Heather, Julie, and Brandi balance humor and candor, making listeners feel like they’re seated at the most outrageous (but insightful) brunch in LA.

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For More:

• Dumb Gay Podcast (Brandi & Julie) – available everywhere, with multiple weekly Patreons.
• Heather McDonald – live shows, Patreon, and more at heathermcdonald.net

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Essential Listening For:
Bravo fanatics, pop culture junkies, comedy fans, and anyone who loves the juiciest scandal and reality TV commentary—with a dose of self-deprecating real-life stories and unapologetic honesty.

Transcript

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[Brandi Howard]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandi Howard]

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[Julie Goldman]

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[Heather McDonald]

They are the stars of stage, podcasting, film, TV and the couch. It is the hilarious Julie Goldman. The hilarious and sarcastic fashionista Brandi Howard. Welcome back, girls, to Juicy Scoops, stars of Dumb Gay podcast. A hit with the fans and the critics. How are you?

[Julie Goldman]

It's funny that you mentioned stage and screen because we did recently a charity event for. I don't know if you know that there's like they created this room with all of the Epstein files.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, I saw that. And I'm like, this is a museum. Yeah. It's in New York, right? Yes, it's in New York. I'm like, what kind of pop up is this?

[Julie Goldman]

It's crazy. It's like.

[Heather McDonald]

So wait, you can really go in and actually take out like a book that says the file number. And in it is like the photo with like the black across someone's eyes.

[Julie Goldman]

And there's comfy chairs. You sit. It's a wonderful environment. And then you read through horrifying documents.

[Brandi Howard]

It's a reading room. They're calling it a reading room.

[Heather McDonald]

And how long. It's in New York City, right?

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

How long is it there?

[Brandi Howard]

That I don't know.

[Julie Goldman]

That we don't know. But we did a charity that was a 24 hour filibuster style reading of the.

[Heather McDonald]

Wow.

[Julie Goldman]

So we being, you know, the wonderful, in demand podcasters that we are, were given the 3am slot.

[Heather McDonald]

But I think a lot of people

[Brandi Howard]

are up at 3:00am, unfortunately, I think, well, 197 people.

[Julie Goldman]

And you know what? They were clamoring. They were clamoring.

[Brandi Howard]

They were ravaging. They were ravaging and they were clamoring. And we read through.

[Julie Goldman]

So wait, we go down.

[Heather McDonald]

How do you choose what you get? Or they give it to you?

[Brandi Howard]

They gave it to us.

[Heather McDonald]

We're kind of like pre reading the Vagina Monologues. Remember those?

[Julie Goldman]

Yes, yes, we're pre reading it. It's 2am, 3am but no, it's 2am when we're pre reading it.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, right.

[Julie Goldman]

And we're just together. We're just checking in. How's the stream going? And I'm like, we are so weird. Like it's a. It's a deposition. We don't know who it's with. We don't know who's being deposed, but it's all. A lot of it is redacted. And so we go, we sit down, we have this like area where we shoot like this with our drug den bulletin board behind us of all, like, all of like pictures of listeners were behind us as we're reading through the files. And we just decided it was this much files. It was like 2 inches thick.

[Brandi Howard]

It was 33 pages.

[Julie Goldman]

And we just decided. I was like, okay, I'll be the lawyer and you be the person being deposed, the perv. And we basically just did Exactly. We did 45 minutes of solid acting. By the end, Julie and I were. We were interrupting each other. I was, I was improving.

[Brandi Howard]

We're improving through the deposition.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, maybe you want another Red Bull.

[Brandi Howard]

And I was like, good one. Anyway, like it was.

[Heather McDonald]

So you were. Were you a rich.

[Brandi Howard]

We figured it out.

[Heather McDonald]

Rich man.

[Brandi Howard]

No, we figured it out.

[Heather McDonald]

Who were you?

[Brandi Howard]

I was Alex Acosta.

[Heather McDonald]

Who's that again? That.

[Brandi Howard]

He was the.

[Julie Goldman]

He was the Florida. Or like he was like the Florida district Attorney.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah. Who basically was the one that gave him the sweetheart deal.

[Heather McDonald]

He's the one sweetheart deal. That's when Epstein went and had the weekends, the weekend prison. Then got out of prison and then had the dinner party.

[Julie Goldman]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

With Katie Couric and Chelsea and. And who else? Oh, and Woody Allen and.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay, so it was basically he was being.

[Heather McDonald]

But not everybody, you know, not everybody knew what dinner they were going to.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, I mean, Katie Couric happily said she saw, you know, 14 year olds walking around like with trays of champagne. She just thought that was normal.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, that's strange. Are you in sixth grade? Neat. Can you go get the vuv.

[Heather McDonald]

However, I will say my parents had a Christmas party for all the realtors in the valley when we built our. With their lucrative real estate money, we built an addition with a step down playroom area, family room with a wet bar. And my sister was the bartender at 15 for all the realtors. Luckily, my dad was not a pedophile, but. Yeah, but that was. That would be strange. That'd be strange at a fancy party that they didn't have proper cater waiters of a certain legal age.

[Julie Goldman]

She said there was young girls everywhere and she just thought, huh, that's strange. And it's like you're probably best friends with Matt Lauer too. Katie Couric.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Well, you know, there you go.

[Julie Goldman]

There you go. Well, that was us. And so we really caught the acting bug again. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I Was just like, when we were tossing the script pages down, we suddenly. We were. We were in, you know, A Few Good Men. I'm yelling at her, she's yelling back.

[Brandi Howard]

It was pretty interesting as far as,

[Heather McDonald]

like, sounded like you guys honestly had a pretty enjoyable 3am after we did the situation going.

[Julie Goldman]

We did. And then for you, we just apologized. Like, we didn't mean to make light, but. And, you know. But what can we do?

[Heather McDonald]

Can you. At a certain point. What.

[Brandi Howard]

What can you. Yeah, yeah. What can you do?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, this weekend, you guys invited me to go to a. In West Hollywood that hasn't closed yet. And it's called. And it was to watch the Rousey Carano fight. Two women boxers, but they use their feet, too.

[Brandi Howard]

They use everything.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Brandi Howard]

Because it's ultimate fighting.

[Heather McDonald]

And right before I saw an interview with her, she's, like, spoke highly of her opponents. And then she just was like. And they're like. And then what's coming next? She's like, I'm done. I'm gonna go have babies.

[Brandi Howard]

That's what Rhonda Rousey.

[Heather McDonald]

Rhonda. And I just thought, you know, that's what it is to be a woman. You can get in a ring, you can beat up a woman, then support that woman and then give birth. Good for her. Get pregnant. Those abs will come back, right? Your baby will be born with abs.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes, absolutely. That's how much abs she has. Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

That.

[Brandi Howard]

There's so much abs.

[Julie Goldman]

She's giving birth to abs.

[Brandi Howard]

She's giving birth to actual abs. That's what the baby is.

[Heather McDonald]

Was it a fun night, though? I didn't go. I hung out with second year in my backyard. Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

It turned out it's for the best that you didn't go. It turned into such a thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Can I just tell you, I don't think there's anything better than not going to a fun event and then hearing that you missed nothing. And it's.

[Julie Goldman]

Right.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

They weren't playing it anywhere. So that was every.

[Brandi Howard]

Every. So we thought that it was going to play at this 3.33taps.33taps that we called and they said they were going to play it. We get there, oh, no, we're not playing it.

[Heather McDonald]

Then we're like, what?

[Brandi Howard]

Well, fuck. So then we went to Gym Bar. They're not playing it. Gym Bar goes, no, no, no. 33 taps is playing it. No, they're not. Oh, okay. Then we go to beach. We went, what are you walking?

[Heather McDonald]

Are you having to drive to all these places?

[Brandi Howard]

No, we walked to in the vicinity. And then called.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you're walking with Jacques, Our friend Jacques.

[Julie Goldman]

Jacques then met us at.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Julie Goldman]

Which was like our fourth place to check. And Schmidt's wasn't really playing it. It was loud. And Jacques. Jacques got a little, you know, got a little hungies. So we went to Dave and Buster's in, like, Hollywood. In Hollywood Highland.

[Heather McDonald]

Like in that.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

Mall.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah. And that's.

[Heather McDonald]

I went there a few times because there was a minute where there's a juicy scooper that would, like, give me free tickets and I would go with the kids. We got, like, as many things as we could play.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, well. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So. And then you watched it.

[Julie Goldman]

I think Jacques thought that Dave and Buster's wasn't tragic because Janet from the Valley loves it.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And they went there in the Valley. And they probably went to a nicer one in the Valley because.

[Heather McDonald]

No, they went to that one first. Then they went to the Valley one. I thought, okay, her for her first time. They went to the one in Hollywood.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay, well, it's. It's. It's trashy trash. And some of them are not that bad.

[Brandi Howard]

This one was.

[Julie Goldman]

I threw up in the parking garage.

[Brandi Howard]

What?

[Heather McDonald]

This is such a tragic night.

[Julie Goldman]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

And also, didn't the fight only last 12 seconds?

[Julie Goldman]

15 seconds and I missed it. And she's.

[Brandi Howard]

Then she starts to get sick and is like, I have to go. Give me the keys, Give me the keys. Give me the keys. And I'm like, okay. And as she's leaving, I'm like, this is. Right at the moment, this fight is happening.

[Julie Goldman]

14 seconds later, I'm running to the car, and she's like, it's already over. I'm like.

[Brandi Howard]

I'm like, we're paying the check. I just got 14 seconds.

[Heather McDonald]

I want to say the reason I turned you guys down is because I was very tired from celebrating my nephew's college graduation. Shout out to Matthew Goldstein. Cal Lue. Really nice speeches, by the way. Anyway, I. I just was like, I'm too burnt out to, like, motivate, but. And I said, that's just. It's just too much effort for me. I cannot believe the effort you guys put through. You went to four different places, a scary parking garage.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

For a 14 second fight.

[Brandi Howard]

Anyway, well, so, you know, so Summer

[Heather McDonald]

House, we are going to just fill you guys in. Summer House. Because it really is the hottest, juiciest story out of the Bravo world. I have watched it over the last 10 years, but never, like, super religiously. Like, I. I know that Carl And Lindsay Fella got engaged, broke up. There's been stories. I know that, you know, a man and Kyle have had a tumultuous marriage. Of course we've talked about now west and Amanda being together and used to be with Sierra and Sierra and Amanda were best friends. And so there's a lot of deception there. The preview for the reunion looks amazing. And that's a week from. That's Tuesday the 26th, which that airs,

[Julie Goldman]

I think whatever they want screenings for it, right?

[Heather McDonald]

Like a movie theaters is all this stuff. Maybe I'll do something fun with it as well. Something live or on Patreon or something if you guys want that. Because I do think you don't really the rest of the people. I don't know what's going on. I don't know about these other couples and stuff. I just care about the Sierra, Kyle, West, Amanda, Shebang.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Jesse's point of view. The best friend who by the way, he's singing. He has live shows.

[Julie Goldman]

I can't. I can't. I just can't. He'll sing on the show on Summer House. And so it's a good thing you. You just pop in because they'll have these big family dinners and he'll stand up and sing.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, the end of the Summer House. It was like a weird, very sad ending. So they had their last big party. Did you see it? And they all are like hugging and crying and they've never really done that before. And also they're all going back to the city. They could all have lunch tomorrow, you know, but it felt like they knew this is sort of the end of them doing Summer House. Like I think at least for at least I think that they're hoping City will be a hit, which is Amanda Kyle. Cause we're gonna watch them the demise of their already demise. But their divorce coming up. If in fact we'll be doing the Easter eggs of when did she start fucking West. And then we have Lindsay, who's a single mom now with a cute baby. And then all these other people. And I think they are doing that thing where the old people need to graduate, we need to infiltrate. Well, Summer House will continue.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes, it's our time.

[Heather McDonald]

But it'll be people in their mid to late 20s and they're going to have to tap out at 35.

[Brandi Howard]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You cannot be 40 sharing a house with people. And you know, and so I think that's why they were sort of weird and sad about it.

[Julie Goldman]

And then Kyle and her left separately, right. And she went To a hotel.

[Heather McDonald]

So then she says. Amanda says to Kyle, everyone leaves. And then she's like, hey, per contract, I have to tell you, we're done. You know.

[Julie Goldman]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

With our marriage, to keep this paycheck coming, it cannot be a private thing. I needed to save it. The producers love me. I don't have a huge personality, but I can break out with you. And it's compelling. So she wore a bandeau top, showed off her abs, some jeans, and a winter suede jacket in September. Kind of loved it. Sat on the steps and is like, hey, we need to talk camera. Everybody good? Okay.

[Julie Goldman]

Action.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's like, yeah, I am gonna go. Not in your car. I'm gonna. Yeah, they've already arranged a car for me. And I'm going to get a hotel, which hopefully they paid for, too.

[Julie Goldman]

And.

[Brandi Howard]

And meet West.

[Heather McDonald]

And west is definitely coming over to 9 to 5. She could not wait to just be like, you're gonna come in here, you're gonna go out the back, escape.

[Julie Goldman]

And you're gonna go in the back first.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, go in the back first. Then you're gonna act like you're getting a coffee. And then like. Yeah. But she tells him, you know, that we. I'm just going to live separately. I'll see you at therapy. And then it's really hard because they keep doing this, like, September 2025, January 2026, February 2026, August 25th.

[Brandi Howard]

I can't.

[Heather McDonald]

What is this? Like, this is too much. These are too many dates. Okay.

[Brandi Howard]

Too many dates.

[Heather McDonald]

And so then she shows up now in the city, and she's wearing the same jeans, but they're hanging off or they're, you know. And he's like, why? You look really skinny. Well, I'm really stressed. Cause now the world knows I'm in fucking West. But, you know, I knew it wasn't screwing him when I was being mean to you all summer. I wasn't. And they just have, like, another crying moment. And that's all I remember from the city. Either I fell asleep or whatever. And Lindsay's baby daughter's cute.

[Julie Goldman]

That's the badge.

[Brandi Howard]

That baby is cute. That's a cute baby.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

I'm intrigued by the other baby.

[Heather McDonald]

It'll be good. I could get into it maybe.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah. I definitely, like, was intrigued by some of the dynamics and the friendships that are gonna fall apart and the guys that are already cheating and all.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, there was a scene at a clothing store that was really. First episode tragic of, like, Lindsay and her friends. Like, we're Gonna put you in an outfit we're all gonna go to. Then they all went to, like a rooftop bar. That little menage of scenes was pretty painful. Yeah, you know, just early days. Producer. Okay. You guys talk about, you know, Amanda, and Amanda comes in late with her new bangs. And I mean, I'm not. I. I like people that I don't like on shows. Like, I don't really. Julie definitely does not like Amanda from Beverly Hills, but I want Amanda to stay on. I do like seeing her bother people. Yeah, I think it's fun. I like seeing your brother, Julie. It's like.

[Brandi Howard]

And I like to be bothered.

[Julie Goldman]

But you know what?

[Heather McDonald]

Speaking of Amanda. Wait, Sorry. Finish your thought.

[Julie Goldman]

That's a. Sorry. Also that they have the same name. I have that strange Beverly Lake. But. And we watched. When we left Sirius, we watched Summer House we had never seen. Started right when people's couch got canceled. So we always had, like, a lot of resentment for it. We watched it from beginning to now, like present day. This was in like maybe 20, 23. We were drinking out of the bottle in the early days of it. They're drinking rose. They call it sending it. We're gonna send it. They're drinking it. They're like drinking Miraval. Julie and I started doing that. We started eating a ton of bacon. They make bacon every morning. We became full Summer House people. And Amanda was young. She was much. She had a different body. She was beautiful. She would always be naked and wild and running around, tons of skinny dipping. And she was a totally different person that apparently I fell in love with Amanda the way Kyle did, and now I've fallen out of love with her.

[Heather McDonald]

And he does said. He goes, I'm sad that someone's gonna get the girl that I fell in love with. Now that version, now he says, I'm 43. How old is Amanda? Do you guys know off the top of your head?

[Julie Goldman]

I think she's like 35. And I think she's like 31.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, she's that much younger than he.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay. Well, good. Well, that's good. That's better than.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I wouldn't know if you told me she was 38 or 28. I wouldn't know.

[Julie Goldman]

What if we told you he was 31? I mean, he does not.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And he parties like he's 30. So he. He literally could be the 43 year old that stays on Summer House because he has fun. But I find I.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what? He could do it if he gets a young girl. And now he's bringing. And now they're like, I can't believe Kyle's coming back with his girlfriend. I mean, I would offer it to him as a producer. I'd be like, you get a hot young thing, you want to come back. I mean, he is the staple of the show. He's the one original. Because I don't think Lindsay's gonna come back with her baby.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, we don't need Carl.

[Heather McDonald]

So was Lindsay there? Lindsay wasn't there all summer with her baby. Or she'd take weekends off from her baby.

[Julie Goldman]

She wasn't there all summer.

[Heather McDonald]

She just popped in once in a while.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, but she. And she did bring somebody from in the City. I think I saw. Is it called the City or in the City?

[Brandi Howard]

The City, I think in the City.

[Heather McDonald]

In the City. Like Sex in the City, ladies. No, Sex and the City is a show, and this is in the City.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And then there's two cunts in a zoom.

[Julie Goldman]

Correct.

[Heather McDonald]

Which not to be confused with the two of you.

[Julie Goldman]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Because you're in person.

[Julie Goldman]

Anyway, I find her boring. I find her flat. And I think I didn't. Do not believe the City will continue.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, really?

[Julie Goldman]

I just think she's not enough to anchor a show, and Lindsay definitely is. So unless those friends really pop off, because Lindsay's very dynamic, and she's been on to watch her from the very first season of Summerhouse. I mean, Summerhouse, that is a binge. If you, you know, if you get some cosmetic surgery, go through a depression, lay in bed, watch the whole thing. There's a couple of twins that are on it at one point.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, my God, the twins.

[Heather McDonald]

The twins. On which one?

[Julie Goldman]

Summer House. Summer House. Oh, it is 10 years of the bacon and a bunch of. And Carl used to get wasted, and it was so fun. He was hot. He was so fun.

[Brandi Howard]

There's a lot of sluttering.

[Julie Goldman]

Totally boring now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Soft bar. Yeah. Good for him, though. It seems to people. It seemed like the opening was good, But I want to say with the Valley and with the City and with all these shows where they take a couple people and they're like, now you're in your 30s, you have some babies. What is the pitch as a Lindsay who's like, all right, I do have a couple friends. Let me see if I can get them on the show. Hi. Here's the pitch.

[Brandi Howard]

Okay, you guys, thanks for coming to the meeting.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, you guys, you know, we're friends. You've seen how my life has just been so easy with all these deals. I got look at my apartment. I barely. I used to have to put PR events together. Now I just get things we need some friends of mine. What's gonna happen is your marriage is not gonna last. So I don't know if you were thinking about getting divorced in the next 18 months, but you will. Everyone's gonna be exposed about how you're a bitch and you're a shady weirdo who disappears off camera. They're gonna make it look like you're fucking men in a gym, but you get to be on TV and you get to go to BravoCon and your numbers will go up. So do you wanna be part of the show? I mean, that's what I feel like. Every time we introduced, like, to three couples on a new show, I'm like, oh, my God, how do they do not do any research, do not realize how they're going to be portrayed. This episode of Juicy Scoop is sponsored by Boll and Branch. I absolutely love my bowl and Branch sheets. They get softer with every wash. They're breathable. There is a cooling technology that really has changed my sleeping between some hot flashes that I was having and just waking up in the middle of the night. Since I switched to bowl and Branch, I actually don't turn on my fan anymore at night. And I've been sleeping better. I have the waffle blanket that I absolutely love. Just recently, my sister was over and I was like, come in my bed. Let's watch some Juicy tv. And she's like, what's up with these sheets? They're so soft. And I'm like, I know. And they get soft with every wash. I mean, what gets better with every wash? Well, Bolan Branch does, and I sleep better, longer, less interruptions. And it's so perfect for the summer. And every day, really get 20% off your first order, plus free shipping during the Memorial day [e-mail] juicyscoop with code juicyscoop that's bowl and Branch. B O L L A N D B r a n c-h.com JuiceScoop code juicy scoop to get 20% off bullandbranch.com juicy scoop code juicy Scoop exclusions apply. This episode of Juicy Scoop is sponsored by Quince. So recently I was with a good friend and she's like, ooh, what a pretty silk blouse that is. What brand is it? I'm like, it's Quince. She did not know about Quince. I'm like, how do you not know about Quince? It's high quality. It's great style it's for way less money. It cuts out the middlemen. It's ethical manufacturing and factories. And the styles are classic, from the linen pants to silk dresses for the summer. And you put a little linen jacket over it so it's summertime. Upgrade your wardrobe without spending unnecessarily. We always like a great deal. And when I go through my closet about every six months, the items that I don't end up giving away or realize I've continually worn are always from Quince. Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to Quince.com juicy for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com juicy for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com juicy I am constantly shocked and

[Brandi Howard]

surprised by not just because even in the trailer for this new in the City, we know that he's cheating. And this one, it's already come out. It's already there. And they know they're doing it before they do the show. And it's the same thing with these people that are doing crime who go on the reality shows. Like, you know, whatever they're doing, whether it's fraud or selling drugs or going on a boat for three weeks or doing whatever they're doing. If you're thinking about going on reality TV and you're, I don't care what the spectrum is. You're cheating, you're not paying your taxes, you're hiding anything. You're hiding anything. You will be revealed. So probably not best to do the show. But they can't help themselves and they do it anyway.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, that's why there is a new show that I came across, they are casting, I think I talked about in the show. I'm not sure, but it is. Were you convicted of a white collar crime and you're out now? Oh, and I'm like, genius, genius.

[Brandi Howard]

I would definitely want.

[Heather McDonald]

Why not? I want to know what was your shady life before? I've interviewed people like that. Like, where do you go from having a legit business to. Or maybe not to getting into a shady thing to realizing you have to leave for three years to go to prison. What was prison like? Now you're out. What else are you going to do? You can't. Yeah, you can't have a license to do stock brokering or real estate or anything. So you got to be on a reality show. And this just cuts out the Bravo middleman.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Bravo is the middleman. They want to get you.

[Brandi Howard]

They want to get you.

[Heather McDonald]

You get convicted. This is like if you weren't on Bravo or if you were Gensha, you go on this show already, which is perfect. Yeah. So look how. I mean, Carl has got a good face. And then this headline popped up right before you became Lindsay Hubbard of Summer House claims Danielle Oliveira gave Carl Radke a hand job one week after their first split. This is a news article. This is a legit journalism magazine. Us Weekly. This is the headline. And okay, yeah, Handy J.

[Julie Goldman]

That's how fun Carl used to be.

[Heather McDonald]

Danny J's from his.

[Julie Goldman]

She was always in love with him. If you watch the old Summer Houses, the whole time Lindsay was in love

[Heather McDonald]

with Carl or Olivia or Danielle. Danielle. Well, this Danielle says she's playing with her, playing tenders with her boyfriend. They've been together six months. She's like, she's on the city. She goes, I haven't talked to Lindsey Hubbard. Well, now we know it's cause she, you know, gave a nice hand job. She's not good at tennis, so I'm glad she's good at a hand job. Yeah, Gives him a nice hand job. And it got back to Lindsay. And that's, you know, and again, let's save this juice. Let's not put it in a podcast. Let's save it for when the week airs of the show. That's when we get it out here so that people watch this show and she's pregnant. Danielle is now pregnant. Well, in the show, they show them talking about it again, like January. Everyone trying to have babies with people that they're not even engaged to. What is the fucking rush? Did she learn nothing from Lindsay?

[Julie Goldman]

And also it's like, that's why all. All comes back to Lala that I told you, do it on your own. I say, like, there's gonna be in this. This cultural shift and it's all gonna come back to Lala because even Lindsey is not allowed. Her guy is supposedly great. She is not allowed to put that little girl on social media.

[Heather McDonald]

She can put her on the show.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, she said. She said on the show. I just do. They said, why do you not post her? But you put her on the show. And she said, I pick my battles. I'd rather if I can have her somewhere, I'll put her on the show. So she had to get. He said, no.

[Heather McDonald]

How weird. They negotiated. That's like that. It's almost like a weird. Like, remember that Bible story where the woman said it's my baby. And then this other girl who didn't give birth, it's my baby. And they're both saying, no, it's each my baby. And then the judge, whatever, in the biblical time said, okay, I'll just cut the baby in half. And then the one that was the real mother said, no, she can have her, the baby. And that's how he's like, I knew you were the real mother. This is so gross that you're like sitting. And I'm not criticizing either one of them, but that's what this happens. This always happens when you break up with someone and one is a reality star or wants to put their kid on social media and the other one doesn't. And, you know, and of course they want their thing, their kid on it because otherwise that takes them away from their child for eight hours. So I get it. If I am providing the home and the money for the child, then the husband has to say, or the ex has to say, it's okay. But then I understand when you see all the stuff about now, I mean, that child's very recognizable, right? Like, she has a very unique face. She's very cute. I mean, people are gonna see her. But maybe he felt it's harder to screen grab her on TV and then share a small video on social media 18 billion times.

[Julie Goldman]

He seems to be a nice, reasonable guy. And social media is a lot more insane, insidious than being on a TV show. And Lindsay's already 18 years from now, like, she's going to be on Next Gen nyc. She's like, okay, Gemma, let's get to know Candy's daughter, Riley. Let's already. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have Riley babysit.

[Heather McDonald]

What? Housewives have grandchildren. So that'll be triple Jen.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, she's already there, but I think,

[Heather McDonald]

or whatever, we're on then.

[Julie Goldman]

The social media is insidious and you do get all the creepers and lurkers and you don't want your baby's face. But at the same time, she is, she considers herself an influencer. She makes like the, you know, lion's share of her money from social media. She's a mommy blogger and it's hindering her to not be able to put her baby there. And Lala doesn't have those problems. Like, if you want a baby so bad, go get a sperm donor.

[Heather McDonald]

She can't put Ocean on.

[Julie Goldman]

No, that's what I mean with her.

[Heather McDonald]

She can put Ocean on social media, but Ocean can't be on the Valley.

[Julie Goldman]

But she doesn't have those problems with Sosa.

[Heather McDonald]

Can be. She can do whatever she wants with Sosa. But Lala, speaking of Lala, really clapped back at Mauricio, Kyle's husband.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, she did.

[Heather McDonald]

She did. I just saw the clip. So Lala said on her show, somehow she was ripping on Mauricio and Kyle's relationship and not being flattering to Mauricio. Mauricio then DM'd her and said, hey, I heard what you said about me on your podcast. I'd be open to a call or a coffee or whatever to talk. She relayed that message. Other people somehow stirred it back to him and was like, lala's saying that you asked her out. So then TMZ or somebody stops Mauricio and he goes, I have the DMs. I never asked her on a date and she's a fucking liar. So then Lala's like, hey, guy who's old enough to be my dad. I didn't lie. I literally said, this was it. And like, shut up. Like, why are you. Why you don't call me a liar.

[Julie Goldman]

Why are you trying to fuck everyone in Bravo Mauricio?

[Brandi Howard]

And you did ask her out. You did.

[Heather McDonald]

Why do you have to meet Coffee?

[Brandi Howard]

Why do you need to meet, you skank. Why do you need to meet?

[Heather McDonald]

The one time, please. The one time PK corrected me via DMs was I was when you and

[Julie Goldman]

Julie said that he faked the house burglary. No, that was famously, was like, I'm not getting involved.

[Brandi Howard]

I stand by it. I still think you did it.

[Julie Goldman]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Heather McDonald]

It's my opinion.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's fact. It's just my opinion.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, there's also a lot of robberies, so who knows? But there were a lot of things. But there's a lot of weird things that happened in la, so that can't be explained. So I will say this. I said one day, talking about them, you know, I mean, look, look at Dorit and PK. They have like a 20 year age difference. And then he wrote me and he said, we are seven and a half years apart. At the time she was like 47 and he was 54 or something.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, fine.

[Heather McDonald]

And I go, oh, sorry, she just looks really old. She looks. I go, I didn't say you look really old. I go, she just must look a lot younger. But he didn't say to me, let's meet for coffee and I'm not a 35 year old lala.

[Julie Goldman]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

But he didn't say, hey, I'd like to clear up that. You think I'm that old? I'll show you what's not old. It's my dick. Lets me. No, PK did not do that.

[Brandi Howard]

That's right.

[Heather McDonald]

It was a respectful dm, correcting my, you know, misrepresentation of their age difference.

[Julie Goldman]

He didn't bother dming about the burglary. He was more concerned that he was 20 years older.

[Heather McDonald]

I think the burglary talk was only on live, unrecorded shows.

[Julie Goldman]

But.

[Heather McDonald]

But it was only me referring to what other Internet sluice might.

[Julie Goldman]

Right. And Julie doubling down. And Garcelle.

[Brandi Howard]

I just feel that way.

[Heather McDonald]

Garcelle.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, right.

[Heather McDonald]

And Garcelle. Okay, moving on. There's a little update and the story I told on Tuesday. You guys are aware that Bethany Frankel was gifted shoes by Lexi, who happens to be the daughter of Dina Manzo of Real Housewives New Jersey. She's a grown woman with a successful shoe designing business, and she shared that. She gave her the shoes, you know, as a gift. Sure. You always hope that they talk about it. She never posted about it, which is okay. But then when some. But then she did post about it with a link to a dupe where she would also get an affiliate commission. So I said, that's where you really did it wrong. You didn't have to give the dupe. Okay. You could have just not posted, not answered, whatever. Mostly because I also want to say this. You don't know if the dupe is good. You don't know where the dupe is produced. The dupe shoe could have fallen off your foot. Why are you recommending a shoe that you've never worn that could give you calluses? Yeah, that don't look as good. So again, you know, you're such a straight shooter, you better come for this beat. Well, I'm sorry. I don't think you should try. I try out my products that I recommend. I don't. You know, I don't not. So I. Sometimes I have to wait. Sometimes I get a sponsor and I go, I need to get this.

[Julie Goldman]

I haven't received it yet.

[Heather McDonald]

You guys need to hold off a week until I try this food or this vitamin or whatever. So that's fine. Anyway, then this girl comes about, Sugar high is she's a baker, and it is a bakery in Boca. And boy, does she sound like she's from Boca. But she's like, I'm holding off, gonna tell the story. And now I am. We have a very, you know, we're a small business in Boca that do the beautiful cakes and the bakeries and these things. And so she said the Bethany people reached out for her big birthday party. That's where she dressed up like Michelle Pfeiffer in. What was the movie that?

[Brandi Howard]

Scarface.

[Heather McDonald]

Scarface, yeah. And that was her theme of her show and of her party. And we want this big cake. She was like, wow. Like, it's Bethany Frankel. Okay. They fly in their best cake maker. The cake is gorgeous. Bethany does a million posts about it. Never once tags the cake, shows the cake, never once tags the cake. Also didn't pay for it, but also didn't tag it, give it any kind of shout out. She then goes to Publix and gets a chocolate cake.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And does a whole video to try to be relatable. Go to Publix. This fucking cake is amazing. And she's like, publix doesn't need the thing. You know, like. And again, it wasn't. There wasn't a contract saying that she would or not, but it's that same thing. So you're gonna go promote Publix. So you look like you're an average chick. You're going to do the dupe when you're not, you know, So I. I'm all for Sugar High. It looks like they do great work and yes, like, you know, go out of your way to do what you can. It is hard. I. I'm looking back at times when people have given me things and I'm sorry if I have not tagged or whatever, but I certainly haven't taken your product, worn it, and then been like, you can get it over here for $12 cheaper. I've never tried.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. And they'll get a commission when you buy it. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

No, gross. So there you go. Alex Cooper is pregnant. And I just. Congrats. She's married. It is an interesting time because she came under some fire in her. Her beef with Alex Earle, the husband who runs the Unwell company. There was. There's still some big expose article that hasn't come out about how he is not the best CEO or whatever his position is. But, I mean, what a. What a chess move to know that you're like, I'm gonna be unbothered because I'm pregnant. And, you know, pregnancy, a strange illness. People will stop talking about you anything negatively. Remember Stasi? That was a golden everybody. People were out for blood during that 2020 summer of Stassi's past behavior and things that she said. And then she went out had the paparazzi out there and then let the world know she's pregnant, and everybody just went, okay.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's a brilliant. And it was obviously, she was already pregnant when this news came out because she looks like she's at least three or four months.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. I like this photo.

[Heather McDonald]

She was in three or four months, and she just, like, really pushed out her stomach super hard.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. To make it, like, just ate a bunch of pasta.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Just like, I definitely could. Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

Like, I could totally look like eight months pregnant if I just pushed such

[Julie Goldman]

a cute photo shoot.

[Heather McDonald]

Good. It really is good for her. I mean, she got, you know, millions at this point. She's 1.4 million likes. Good for her. We're always happy for, you know, a couple. Like, she has a right. She's a successful business woman. She's right to have a baby. She had a right to be promiscuous and slutty before. She has a right to encourage people to be promiscuous and slutty before, during, after pregnancy, whatever. That doesn't matter. But there's one thing that's interesting. This girl, Sheila Kannor. This is this other thing that I've seen on the Internet. Okay. I guess back in the day when Alex Cooper and Sophia Franklin had their show together, they had this kind of weird running joke where they'd sort of mock this former Bachelor Bachelorette couple and their upcoming babies. I don't know if the baby was alive or the baby was coming.

[Julie Goldman]

She was pregnant. I wish. We don't watch the Bachelor now. The only Bachelor people we know are from Housewives of Rhode Island. And now we think we're experts. And Kaitlyn Bristowe Ashley. This was a couple. She gets pregnant.

[Heather McDonald]

They.

[Julie Goldman]

They make. And the baby's name. I swear, it's like Khaleesi or something.

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's Alici. A L, E S S I.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay, so. But it sounds like Khaleesi. And that's already. So you're already kind of like. So they make this Instagram for the unborn baby hashtag Khaleesi. You know, you're doing the Game of Thrones thing. They start making fun of how they made this Instagram. So it starts normal. So.

[Heather McDonald]

So. So call her daddy. The original co host.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Julie Goldman]

They're like, why are you making a big Instagram for, you know, dumb unborn baby? But then. And they were doing both names. They were saying it's either Alici or it's like Noah or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

This is the boy's name.

[Heather McDonald]

Got it.

[Julie Goldman]

They start making this lore about the girl and they're like, Alicia's gonna be like on the stripper pole. They start the level that. They start saying that the baby's like sucking dick and shit. It's, it's, it is truly when people talk about it in past tense. Julie would 100% make fun of somebody for their unborn baby having an Instagram and it would be no problem. They were every week turning this baby into like a segment, into a character who was a slut, a grown woman slut who was engaging in sex acts. And this is their little ba. The baby then is born and it's a newborn baby girl and they're talking about the baby like, and they were doing it constantly and this. And of course now she's in postpartum and is all of the things, when you have a baby that's like literally like a horrific time, while it's beautiful for, for the person who went through it and they. She's got these two girls incessantly, every week talking about her baby with her baby's name and then making fun of her baby and making her baby into a full grown slut. It was crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Julie Goldman]

She needs to have her on. She needs to tell her that to her face. And if I were Alice Cooper, I would blame Sophia Franklin just because why not?

[Heather McDonald]

And if I was to figure like Franklin, I'd blame Alex.

[Brandi Howard]

Alex.

[Julie Goldman]

But everybody knew that Sophia was like the brains in the comedy behind Color Daddy. I mean, Alex Cooper was the one who was like doing the editing and shit. But like Sophia Franklin was the. Was the brains behind Color Daddy. So Alex Cooper should be like, I was young and dumb and full of cum. And that is actually true.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And because she was. And I never even thought about what it would be like. And now I'm horrified and I'm pregnant and I blame Sophia and I know her book's coming out and I really apologize to. And then Sophia should just clout. Chase it all the way. So should the Bachelor lady use it to get, you know, likes and views and rage bait. Cause too late to sue. She said they considered suing because it was incessant and it was every week.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, at least getting them to stop. But we know when season desists don't work. But she should have her on. It would be a great arc for her and she has matured. I mean, she's totally different than she was in those early days.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, that's Sarah Silverman said it really well one time. She's like, comedy is of what is timely at the time. So it's like there is stuff that we've said and done two months ago or 20 years ago that wouldn't. If we're not saying it currently today doesn't mean that we think that same way. Whatever it is, you can change your opinions. You can have different political views, you can have different things. You can think one thing about medicine and then 20 years later, be like, actually, you know what? I would never do that again. Or whatever. Like, you can change your mind. It doesn't mean you have, because you said it once and it was filmed or recorded. Like, doesn't mean that you think about it forever. And now you could just. Just for the karma of it, I would. And maybe she has and we don't know about it, but just for the karma, I would. Even if I did it and this girl is acting like I never said an apology, I'd be like, here's the FedEx thing that I sent a year ago. Or when I found out, or I reached out and she said, I don't want anything to do with you because I'm gaining views, talking about how much I hate. I don't know. But I would address it. I know. Then the other thought is, which I've also preached this to, don't bring it up. Let it go. It'll go away. But I kind of feel being that you're becoming a mother, that.

[Julie Goldman]

And it was just a one time thing. Yeah, it was over and over and over.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And so you kind of just gotta. And because they're getting a lot of bad press. The husband.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Alex Cooper's. I think this is one of the ones that you, you address and make right for yourself, for your own baby.

[Heather McDonald]

Because you wouldn't want. You wouldn't want, you know, Two Chicks in the Office to be doing it about your kid for the next 15 years.

[Julie Goldman]

You mean two cunts in a Zoom

[Heather McDonald]

or two cunts in a Zoom. But no, there really is a podcast called Two Chicks in an Office. So I was saying, like another big one. But also two Cunts in a zoom. They might be going after you and you might not appreciate it. Selling Sunset had a slaughter of realtors leave the tiny twins office now.

[Julie Goldman]

Wait, can I just.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

Was. I thought that was on pause.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't even know what's going on with it. Okay, but this is from tmz. And so they are getting rid of Mary Bonnet, who was really like the main person that's been working with Jason Oppenheimer. And they were a couple, everything, four years before the show started. Then Emma Hernan, who's the blonde, who's very thin, has a great body. Then Chelsea Laz Cany, she's the pretty London girl whose husband cheated on her on the show. And. And then Sophia Vergara, Vergara's sister, who I'm sure was not a realtor before she got this.

[Brandi Howard]

But whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

They made sure she passed the online class.

[Julie Goldman]

How dare the Vergaras be that gorgeous.

[Heather McDonald]

What? I know. And well, she's her sister cousin.

[Julie Goldman]

Her sister cousin.

[Heather McDonald]

There's something, there's some way it makes sense that she's a sister cousin.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, does she?

[Heather McDonald]

Some in laws remarried or I don't know, that made her a sister and a cousin. But they're all gone now. As a former realtor, I'm wondering from

[Julie Goldman]

a realty dynasty since this is such

[Heather McDonald]

a realistic realtor show. You know, they are pounding the payment trying to get listings. Did they all just decide? Sometimes when you're at a real estate office, another office will say, hey, come over here. We will give you a larger cut. Instead of you having a 50, 50 cut, we'll give you a 30, 70 cut and we'll only take 30. And then you take your license. And they say, and now I'm going to hang my license across the street at Cola Banker. So I'm wondering, did they all go over to Mauricio and have coffee with Mauricio?

[Julie Goldman]

I think so.

[Heather McDonald]

How does Lala not know that Mauricio thought, hey, girl, get your real estate license. I'm opening an office in Studio City, Sherman Oaks. And that is why he wanted to meet for coffee.

[Julie Goldman]

Yep. They're all going to the agency.

[Heather McDonald]

He's like, I already got four girls from the tiny twins.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, let's go. It's not a bad idea actually, Marie and the cat stops from selling Sunset.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, one girl that appears to still be on it is Bri, who is one of the six baby mamas of Nick Cannon. And Nick Cannon is having his own docu series, which is a fake. Classy name for a reality show on Netflix. I mean, a docu series. I mean, come on. It's you and your six. It's him and his six baby mamas and his 12 kids. How do you manage it all? Netflix says Nick Cannon is ready to pull back the curtain. Oh, I'm wondering what's really going on. We see it on Instagram on the complete chaos, headline making drama and heartfelt moments that come with raising 12 kids with six different moms in a brand new docu series coming later this year to Netflix. And Bree, who is still trying to sell a house with the tiny twins. She loves to post anytime she's with him. And they were just in like Bora Bora or something. She loves when they all did the Christmas photos. I hope they filmed. Hopefully that's why they all did their own Christmas cards. Guessing it's got to Be in the series where each girl tried to outdo the other with their family Christmas card with.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, you know, I'm watching it more 10 times harder than I even dipped into the Hilaria Baldwin and Alec Bald.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, who cares about that?

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But Hilaria is doing another show now with Amazon, which is like, she. Margaret Joseph's Yeah's best wife.

[Julie Goldman]

It's like a random daughter of women. But what are they doing? Kevin Moore.

[Brandi Howard]

It's. It's.

[Heather McDonald]

Are they having therapy? What are they doing having therapy?

[Julie Goldman]

They're doing survival show, like, I think accountability and.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, but they're not surviving, like, with no makeup.

[Julie Goldman]

No, but they are in, like, you know, probably somewhere in Costa Rica.

[Brandi Howard]

There was like, that one show that was in Costa Rica that had all the people that were having the same thing where you do, you know, it's workshops. It's like nine perfect strangers or whatever. It's like they're gonna go and do,

[Heather McDonald]

like, it's like after reality. So they're all off reality, off their reality shows. But then they come on a reality show together. They're gonna do truth falls to trust talk.

[Julie Goldman]

Trust falls.

[Heather McDonald]

They're gonna do trust falls.

[Brandi Howard]

They're gonna do, like. I'm sure there's gonna be like, a. Like, a breathing day, and they're gonna

[Julie Goldman]

have to walk on, like, rope swings and trust each other.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, there. There you go.

[Julie Goldman]

There you go.

[Heather McDonald]

What's happening? Here's all the women. They're all gorgeous.

[Brandi Howard]

He must have some.

[Julie Goldman]

Mariah Carey is not participating in the show.

[Heather McDonald]

I forgot. Mariah Carey.

[Brandi Howard]

No.

[Julie Goldman]

Rock and roll, baby.

[Heather McDonald]

Also, those kids got to be close to 18 now.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, but rock and Roe are the classic Moroccan and Monroe, like, so cute.

[Brandi Howard]

He. I don't even. I can't.

[Julie Goldman]

I wish Mariah Carey was on it. Obviously, so does everyone, but

[Heather McDonald]

this is a crazy story. Tick tock star Gabby Gonzalez. She and her father allegedly hired a hitman to kill singer Jack Avery, who is the father of their child, who is 7, named Lavender. Oh, so the story is crazy. They met young. I think she got pregnant at 17. But he was a teenager, too, and they were sharing custody and it was not going well. And one day he said he was just playing guitar at his mom's house, like in Hawaii. And two people knocked on the door because they showed this clip of him on a podcast before this got out. And he's like. He thought it was like, the homeowners association or something. He's like, what's going on? And they're like, we're the FBI. We're here because someone has plotted to have you killed. And, you know, really freaked him out for a month. He, you know, got self medicated with alcohol, didn't want to leave the house. Obviously. They set it up, the FBI, to act like they were somebody else. Her nanny and somebody else are witnesses for the prosecution. In which the dad, you know, was like, he's better off dead. She was the. She was commuting with, communicating with some guy that they would refer to as Barka. And she was like, there's messages where she's like, never too soon to call Barka and get this done.

[Julie Goldman]

And that's the hitman.

[Heather McDonald]

The hitman or alleged or fake hitman. I mean, it's a lot of complicated. Hiring to kill your ex or father of your kids, whatever, is a classic story in the juicy crime world.

[Julie Goldman]

It's a big mistake.

[Heather McDonald]

It's, it's.

[Julie Goldman]

You're better off just like messing with the car.

[Heather McDonald]

It's very scary. It's very, very hard to convict or have any kind of real case in unless the people that tell the authorities don't let the person know. Like, if you were to say to me, do you know someone to kill, whatever, Brandi.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And I immediately call Brandi and I go, julie's lost her mind. And then we both go to the police. Now we're probably never gonna be able to convict Julie. Cause she's gonna say, I was joking. The only way to really convict someone is for me to go, okay, let me see if I know this guy. Okay?

[Julie Goldman]

And then it kind of sounded like it was Jennifer Aniston helping Julie there for a second.

[Heather McDonald]

Then I have to go to FBI.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Then I have to go to the, the police and say, I've been given this information. Why do I think it's true? Why would I think that she would want to do that? And then I have to do everything they tell me play along. Then they might go to her and go, now you need to play along. Like, there's been a case where like, literally it came to a point where the undercover cop acting like the hitman had to then go to the wife who thought he was a real hitman and had to put the actual husband in a ditch with blood on his face. Hollywood makeup, take a photo, show the wife while, you know, having. Hitting cameras and things and have her being like, okay, good, good, I'm glad you did it. Here's your five grand. Like, it has to be that many steps. Otherwise they're like, I was Joking. We were doing it for a reality show. I'm a comedian. I would never think that. I never said it. So this is really bad. She has been arrested here too.

[Julie Goldman]

Did the guy get killed?

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, thank God.

[Heather McDonald]

No, no, no, no. He lived. And I guess we'll find the whole case because it's going to trial, both she and the dad. The dad's in Texas. He's gonna have to come to back be extradited to LA County. She's in LA County Prison and the bond is set at 2 million for the alleged murder for higher plot. So this is Bobby Gonzalez, huh?

[Brandi Howard]

Why do they say why? Why are they wanting to kill the guy?

[Julie Goldman]

Why is he better off?

[Heather McDonald]

Because it was a custody battle. Because it was annoying to have to switch out the weekend. Yeah, because they just wanted him done. They just wanted to have her alone. No, this happens so much where grandparents get involved. The most most famous case was this case out of Florida where this girl and her husband were getting divorced. She wanted to leave Tampa and go back to Miami where her parents and brother were with the kids. The husband was like, no, this is where we live together. I'm not going to be five hours away from my kids. He was found shot in his driveway and then didn't even bother me when he said that her brother, that the, that the wife's brother had hired this girl that worked in his office to get hitmen, ex husbands, whatever. Guys that do this killed him. He went to prison. And then they did all this work and realized that the mother was involved. And right before she got on the plane to go to Vietnam, which you can't extradite someone from Vietnam. She just got convicted.

[Julie Goldman]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

And to this day, the wife and daughter and sister of the two people, she has maintained her innocence and has not been arrested for any of this kind of plot. And I don't know if she ever will be. But both the brother, both her brother and her mother did get convicted for setting up a hitman to kill her soon to be ex husband. Because they all wanted to be in Miami together and not deal with, with sharing custody.

[Julie Goldman]

It all comes back to Lala. She unlocked the future. Seriously.

[Brandi Howard]

True.

[Julie Goldman]

Just have your own children and be like. And look at Kenya. And then you have the thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Kenya Moore.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, because then you have the.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that place closed.

[Julie Goldman]

She wants Brooklyn to have a sibling, so she wants to use those embryos. But we obviously we being her. And then all of the world hates the ex and it's just like you didn't know him that Long. I mean, I know people want to get dicked down. I mean, not to be crude about it, but like, just get the turkey baster, man and then nobody's gonna tell you. And you don't have to shoot your husband in the park, you know, in the driveway. Cause he won't travel from Tampa to Miami. It's not like she wanted to move to LA.

[Heather McDonald]

No, but still it would. They had 50, 50. And it. And he just was like, no, five hours. The parents were dicks. And he was probably like, I don't really want my kids spending that much time with their grandparents who are gonna talk badly about me 24 7. So we moved to Tampa together. This is where the judge says that we have 50, 50 custody. So he was not going to allow her to move back to Miami so that she could be with her parents. And they. And the parents were like, we're successful, rich Miami dentists. And we'll figure this out on our own then. Wow.

[Julie Goldman]

Imagine being forced to stay in Tampa.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so by the way, I've been to Tampa and there's a beautiful place called Davies island. And it's very, very nice. So there's very nice parts to Tampa. Okay. All right. Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Here is some juice coming from another content creator. Bravo for the rest of us are saying that Kelsey, the self proclaimed sugar baby that lived in the fancy house, Kelsey's ex boyfriend, the sugar daddy, Miami's girlfriend, okay. Because he always had a girlfriend in Miami. He had one with her, was spotted in Rhode island at a popular restaurant with Rhode island producers, allegedly. And so, you know, so here we go.

[Brandi Howard]

So we're gonna guess.

[Heather McDonald]

I think that. But I think this was all planned well before they ever sat down because there's also rumors that they were broken up and everything before she ever filmed. And so by sharing the story. So I think they have an agreement. I think she's like, great, bring on this girlfriend. Have them be friends. This will keep the show going for a bunch more seasons.

[Julie Goldman]

Do you think she already had that apartment and she just went back and filmed at his house?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay. Because the apartment did seem already set up. I was like, huh? You got that set up quite quickly.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I think that happens with shows where they're like, you know, so that's what.

[Brandi Howard]

Let me hear.

[Julie Goldman]

It was on Laguna Beach. Yeah, it was back and redid that whole year.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

With Kristen Cavallari and Jason or whatever his name was and Lauren Conrad. They just recreated that whole.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I really think with Reality shows. The only thing that's really real about them is that you are this human and this is your name. Apartments are wrong, cities are wrong. You're renting houses that aren't yours. You're lying about your marital status or your relationship status. You're pretending you have business.

[Julie Goldman]

There's one other thing you can count on.

[Heather McDonald]

What?

[Julie Goldman]

That their face is that face. Because then the face becomes a whole nother face.

[Heather McDonald]

Right? The face is not the face.

[Julie Goldman]

No. The face starts out as the face.

[Heather McDonald]

So only the internal organs.

[Julie Goldman]

That's right.

[Heather McDonald]

Only the internal organs are that of the person that you're portraying.

[Julie Goldman]

And I guess your name and even that.

[Heather McDonald]

People change.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, that's right.

[Heather McDonald]

The Valley. How are we feeling, girls?

[Julie Goldman]

I wanna say this. I like it. I know it's dark and depressing. I love seeing other people miserable. Okay. Especially because I don't have children and

[Heather McDonald]

really makes you not want em.

[Julie Goldman]

I get jealous of the people with the babies and especially when they're pregnant. And pregnant people are smug. We all know this. And it's like, I'm a baby baby. I'm gonna have my baby. And it's like, you're not having a baby. You're actually having a 19 year old who doesn't appreciate you that you pay for everything for. It's just not there yet. But it will be. So I like that aspect. But I do wanna say that I really hand it to Alex Baskin because we know people on these shows, we know people on the Valley. We know people on all of them and we know them well. And you'll still find yourself going like you're judging your own friend. You're like, you really shouldn't be doing that. For example, Janet. And she's a friend of ours. I always wanted Janet to call what's his butt? What's.

[Heather McDonald]

Danny.

[Julie Goldman]

Danny.

[Heather McDonald]

Danny.

[Julie Goldman]

And Nia, she was a little too. We wanted her to call him a sex pest.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, just.

[Julie Goldman]

Just soften the language so we can understand that he's a sex pest. We all know what a sex pest is. You know, he's getting drunk, he's being

[Heather McDonald]

inappropriate, he's flirty, he's misogynistic, but he's not doing breaking the law.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. So. And she was using her language as a little too harsh. It kept going and going and Janet was doubling down. But we know Janet to be a reasonable, kind, like, very cool person in real life. And I was just kind of like in with Alex Baskin and the producers from Evolution who produced the Valley, just being like I really wish she wasn't getting this villain edit. But now, via Lala again, all roads lead back to Lala. She came in as the replacement, I believe, for Jax. She obviously has the biggest dick on the show, the biggest balls. She's the alpha apex of the show. She's the apex predator. She's running it. And she came in and she jerked that narrative right off of Janet and put it right onto Dani. And I am living my whole life for it. I'm like, loving that that was going one way and then it took a hard right or left and is going another way now. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is genius.

[Brandi Howard]

I might have been aroused when this woman, Lala, went and completely topped Dani to the ground. She bent him over, pegged him through his mouth and took it back and then walked away and then came back and did it again. He need. And he needed it and Nia needed to see it. And it was so satisfying. We never get justice of any kind on these shows. And for most of the reality shows on Bravo, when the husbands are disgusting, we get no justice. They. They, whether they go to prison or not. The misogyny and the sexism and the gross and the sex pestery of it all and the. It just always goes unchecked. It is the first time in the history, literal history of any reality show where a woman came in and checked his ass to the ground. And it was very satisfying. And I can't wait for Lala to do it more. I would literally pay money to. She should start business.

[Heather McDonald]

She started business.

[Brandi Howard]

She started business. People should pay her to go do that. She is so empowered at this point. It's beyond.

[Heather McDonald]

I agree.

[Brandi Howard]

So fun. I love it.

[Heather McDonald]

It was a great scene. And. And then to do it while they're. While he's looking hideous in a cheap wig and calling it out, it was amazing. Real Housewives New Jersey all about the Real Housewives posted. They are big supporters of Teresa this. These two podcast girls. So I guess they were at her birthday and they decided to share filming from it. And they. She had a big birthday party and Louis was there and Louis was hugging Joe Gorga. So this is a Kumbaya family forever. You know, nothing's as thick as family blood or except for a Bravo contract.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, that's great.

[Heather McDonald]

We're all happy. Like nobody, you know, make it work. Why. Why be petty about it? So there you go. That's happening. Also, Mr. Housewives let us know that over filming in Salt Lake City, our girl Lisa Barlow premiered a Song with dancers and Vita Tequila in the back called Baby Gorgeous. And I watched a little video of it, and it's exactly what you'd think. It's like, that's right. Baby Gorgeous dancing all night with Baby Gorgeous. Singing songs, getting high, havin shots. Hey, goodbye, hey, everybody. It's time for Baby Gorgeous.

[Julie Goldman]

And literally, like, ChatGPT is like, flashing in the back. Like, I wrote this. She's like, thanks, Chat. I love my new song. And then Meredith's gonna be like, I remixed this. Or actually, my assistant did. And then she's gonna bust the beats.

[Heather McDonald]

And Meredith thinking that you. Meredith, is Biggie busy going down to Charleston to be with Southern Hospitality DJ who said, I'm gonna do an all female DJ night. We're gonna shove it to the male DJs. That's why I need Meredith Marks to come down and do her set for the hearing of Paris. No.

[Julie Goldman]

Now, you guys might not recall that we are. Us three are very good friends with the cast of Southern Hospitality. Now, unfortunately, at the dinner we shared with them, yes, Maddie is. Who's the DJ and the star of the show. She was not there. So we don't know Maddie. We know Mia, but we know Mia, who's I through. There have been some blind items put out implying that this show's gonna be canceled, which is a bummer, and I hope it isn't, but I know that if it is, at least 3 of the people will just go to Southern Charmed, and that includes Mia.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Cause Mia, who's our friend, was the one who Shep Rose hit on when him and his girl. Exactly. When him and his. And she also was hooking up with west before Amanda.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

So Mia's the best. But I was wondering, do you think Erika Jayne. I think it's DJ Pretty Met.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

Is offended that she's not included on the bill.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, listen, I don't need to go down the South. I'm there all the time visiting my mother. All right? I'm getting pounded hard.

[Brandi Howard]

You're the only one on the show getting fucked.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't need to do another show for free. I already committed to doing Bose's wedding. All right, babe, like, we're good.

[Julie Goldman]

Is she on Just a Friend or is that just a rumor? Erika Jade.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think they've announced anything for real about changing anything up. The only reason I think they would do something like that is just like that. They do with any executive that starts to make too much money. They split up their territory. They try to and Once you've been on the show for 10 years, it's my understanding that according to the way the contract works, you're in well over a million a year. And they might want to take you down a peg and be like, all right, you can come back, but you're only gonna get 650. Do you wanna do it? You'll just be a friend. You won't have to go on the trip. You can turn down this. You might make more if we do some deal where we pay per scene, and then you. Something insane happens with your life. But if it continues, Erica Jane, where we never see your boyfriend, we never see your son, we see you rearranging two pillows in your house and then giving good advice to the women, but that's about it, then we're gonna have to scale you back.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Now, if you show up as a friend and we're paying you 20,000 a day for a scene and some shit starts to happen and we start seeing, then I don't know how they talk to them. I don't know what they would say, but I feel like that's kind of the conversation if in fact it's a conversation. Because they have a lot of now senior Beverly Hills people that have all been making over a million dollars now from.

[Julie Goldman]

They need to sit Kyle down. Unless she's ready to come correct for Mauricio. Cause this is the perfect opportunity for he already flirted with Gisele and Ashley on Potomac. She needs to start like her and one of the daughters. Just pick whichever one's like, the bitchiest and need to start talking shit to him and about him. And it's like, you're not gonna come and have sex with all of my colleagues. This is my job. Get out of Bravo. Go to TikTok Stars.

[Heather McDonald]

You are the CEO of a real estate office with hundreds of female realtors that have skirts just past their.

[Julie Goldman]

The cooch.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Their crotch hair. Okay. Where they're. Where their tampons string is longer than that. You don't need to go here.

[Julie Goldman]

Don't be dming people on Bravo. It is so annoying.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Go to the agency in Canada.

[Brandi Howard]

Go to Mexico, Honduras, and all the different countries where you just set up just so that you could skank around.

[Heather McDonald]

Get those four girls, the Oppenheimers kicked off and say, come on over, girls.

[Julie Goldman]

And that's what Kyle does.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. But I also just think, you know, in their situation, it's just the ugliness of divorce. The. The. The work, the money, the financials that it will get ugly. And she is just in a place where she's like, that's just not how I want to spend the next year or two of my life. Or 10. She just doesn't want to jump off that cliff.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so we'll see. And she has every right to do that, no matter what. And even if they do and they say, we don't want you on the show anymore, she'll probably be like, fine then.

[Julie Goldman]

And then at that point, she will try to get half the agency.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So who knows? This is a little crazy crime story, too, that I thought you'd find interesting. The mango owner, you know that store, mango? So he was the son of the main person. Okay. Who was his dad. And one day he said, dad, would you like to go for a hike?

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, no.

[Heather McDonald]

And the dad goes, all right. You know, we've been having some issues at the business. I don't think you're running it right, son. We just lost $116 million, son. But I'm flattered, son, that you'd like to take me for a hike up towards some cliffs. Well, unfortunately, he slipped on a rock and fell 350ft to his death in 2024. And then they realized, wow, the dad and the son were not getting along. He had hired some outside person, financial officer, which cost him $116 million. The dad then got out of retirement to step back in and run the company. Cause the son wasn't running it. Right. And also, the dad was in the works of changing his will to give the majority of his money to some charity.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

And so he has been arrested, and they must have a lot more evidence. But as far as pushing him down the cliff, I don't know if there's any real evidence of someone seeing that or anything. So I do think, regardless of financial and circumstantial evidence. But this isn't in America. It will be a hard case to prove.

[Julie Goldman]

But where is it? I think it's like South America.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think it's South America somewhere. But Spanish retailer. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Maybe it won't be as hard in another country as it is here, where we love to give people technicalities. I mean, certainly there's that one famous one, which is on 27 datelines, where the guy takes the photo right before tossing her off the ledge. But he got caught because he did that to his previous wife at the same ledge.

[Heather McDonald]

God.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, how many?

[Heather McDonald]

We call it an Alpine divorce.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Meaning instead of getting divorced, you take your wife on a fun little environmental Adventure.

[Julie Goldman]

Whether ecotourism.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Whether that means going on a boat, taking a hike, going up a cliff. In this case, this is family. But they're father, son. But I mean, my God, you're on a cliff. You're hiking. He's old. People do slip and fall, but he was the one that suggested the hike and took him to the point.

[Brandi Howard]

And also, there's lots of.

[Heather McDonald]

They must have a lot. I'm just thinking they must have a lot to overwrite.

[Julie Goldman]

Can you imagine someone tossed you over onion. You'd just, like, roll down and be like, why'd you do that? You're like, dusty. Yeah. The dog's following you. Raven.

[Heather McDonald]

There's all these people just taking. Somebody would definitely catch it because all anyone does is take selfies and videos and stuff on the famous Hollywood Runyon Canyon. So, like, someone's going to try to kill you there. Somebody. There is 12. You're on. You're in the background of 12 TikToks and fitness.

[Julie Goldman]

Marshall. He's, like, doing his dance. His dance exercise. And there's you tumbling down the hill behind.

[Brandi Howard]

But you choose to go on a hike where there's a actual cliff. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And get close to it.

[Brandi Howard]

Like, why. Yeah. Why are we even going to the cliff? Let's walk up to the cliff and do stretching.

[Julie Goldman]

And if you hate your son, why are you going on the high? I mean, you got to know.

[Heather McDonald]

He probably was like, yes, son. Okay, let's. No, I don't think you would suspect your son. I think you're thinking, yes, we're going to work this out. I do want you off. I don't want you to have this business. You're going to be fine in life. But, like, you're running into the ground, though.

[Brandi Howard]

Back to Runyon. If you did do it on Runyon, you also, like. It's also, like, half cement, so you'd be so mad. You'd be like. Not only rolling, but you'd be like,

[Julie Goldman]

yeah, I'm all scratched out. Then you get, like, the stickers. There's that hard side of Runyon, too, where you could. That one. You just. You sort of get it going for like a week.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Where you're doing the hiking. And then you. That one time, you're just like, wanna do the hard side? Not really. And then that's much higher.

[Heather McDonald]

I can honestly say I have never been in my entire life on any kind of dangerous hike.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, remember when you guys went out to do your Christmas card in, like, Moab, and you had.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, that was a Little bit.

[Julie Goldman]

But that wasn't dangerous.

[Heather McDonald]

Millions of people around and it's like, that's at the.

[Julie Goldman]

But you're still hiking. Whereas when you went and you're like, we did our Christmas card and we were like this. No, we're just gonna. We're just gonna stand and like, look at it. You hiked all the way out, right?

[Heather McDonald]

You do this thing where you get the boots. Some people want to be cheap and don't get the boots. Get the boots and the stiff. And it's this really, really pretty thing. And you kind of walk through the water and oh, yeah, I've seen pictures. Wear pants. But you don't. Like, it was hot enough. But it is long. And I did think, what if I fell and broke my ankle? Like, how. This is what I wonder. Like, how do they get you out of there?

[Brandi Howard]

They airlift you and then you have

[Heather McDonald]

to pay for it. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And it's a pain in the ass.

[Brandi Howard]

And then everyone's. Let's talk about that. That's too. That's even.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know.

[Brandi Howard]

Do you prefer to get pushed and murdered or do you prefer to like, have be shamed at the fact that you're the who sprained their ankle and can't get out of them?

[Julie Goldman]

Honestly, it's like throw me over the edge because I can't deal.

[Heather McDonald]

And everyone's like, oh, the only time it's. It pisses me off is when you've gone alone.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, I can't. I can't take.

[Heather McDonald]

Agree you went missing. And look and look and look for you. And then we had to get the thing and spend the money. Like, find a friend.

[Brandi Howard]

Find a friend. I am always like that too. It's like three. A hiker has been lost in the. Whatever was.

[Heather McDonald]

Make sure your phone is charged. Also, don't go alone. Also make sure someone is. Got the 360 live on you?

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. You have your location?

[Heather McDonald]

No. Excuse me. There really is no excuse.

[Julie Goldman]

And we have been hiking in Burbank and seen like somebody like there with their friend who's got like a sprained ankle. And we're like, losers. Just keep going. What about that?

[Heather McDonald]

Remember that story where the guy had to like, cut off his arm?

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, God.

[Heather McDonald]

He fell down a thing. And the.

[Julie Goldman]

He was going through those weird rock. He was also a thirst bucket.

[Brandi Howard]

He was free solo and he's doing like, for all those free solo guys who. They're. They're just waiting to eat their own arms. Like, they just want it so bad. Or he cut it Off. He cut it off. He nodded off. He took a jackknife and had to cut his arm off.

[Heather McDonald]

There's just no way I would do that. There's no way I could do it. I would just. I mean, I. Please don't ever put me in that position. God. Because I will. I think he was. I'm ready to go. I know I'm good.

[Julie Goldman]

But then you should sit there and starve to death. But if bugs and snakes come.

[Brandi Howard]

But I think that what happens.

[Heather McDonald]

Those thoughts. Those thoughts of what would you do? Are just. I can't even think about it.

[Brandi Howard]

But he.

[Heather McDonald]

I think at that point, though.

[Brandi Howard]

I think at that point, his. I think at that point, the arm was.

[Julie Goldman]

It was dead. It's not.

[Brandi Howard]

I think that he's in a position where it's. If he doesn't. He's in a. He has to cut it off.

[Julie Goldman]

It's the hiking after you've amputated yourself.

[Brandi Howard]

Now that. Now what are we doing?

[Julie Goldman]

She has a hike out of there and, like, miles.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why I only walk around my own neighborhood. I don't wanna do that where nothing can happen. Because I really don't. I really don't need to do that.

[Brandi Howard]

No.

[Julie Goldman]

We even get irritated at your house when Peter takes the golf cart and then we're forced to walk. And I'm like, when do we get to do the golf cart?

[Heather McDonald]

We'll have the golf cart when he's gone. Okay, good. This week. Because he can't take that with him. Apple Martin is going to make a feature film debut, lands a role in Nancy Meyer's new movie. Now, of course, every comment with, how did this depo baby get that job? Well, why shouldn't she get the job? Okay, first of all, you want to get some free goop stuff. Clearly, Nancy Meyer. So she's like, hey, your goop shit's expensive. There's a part for a young girl. Could I read Apple? Sure. Apple comes over. She's pretty. Her mom works with her. Her grandmother works with her. She's got acting coaches. She memorizes the lines. It's a Nancy Meyers movie. So it's gonna be about rich people on the east coast at a summer home. She looks the part.

[Brandi Howard]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

And good for her. She the. The story that haunts this girl, which I will remind you of some awful story. She was like a little bully in some private high school. And again, she graduated from college. She was an entitled.

[Julie Goldman]

But maybe she's changed.

[Heather McDonald]

Hopefully when she has her podcast, she'll Invite her people that she bullied on the show and say, I have grown.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes. And she.

[Heather McDonald]

Why is someone doing that as a podcast? Just like I was a bully entitled

[Julie Goldman]

Good one, I was a bully. That's the podcast.

[Heather McDonald]

And each time it's like, hi, let me talk to you. Do I ever tell you this? This was a good story. This, this is like a third party story that was told to me. But this, this girl was, was. Was reached out by another girl that she went to high school with. And she was like, I don't know, I'm gonna be in Northern California. Like, starts to talk to her on Facebook and they start to kind of hit it off. And then she's like, I'm gonna be near you. I'd love to, like, have lunch with you or something. And she's like, okay, great. And she comes and now the. The victim. Cause one's a bully once. So the victim starts to approach the bully from. From when they, you know, and the bully's being nice. Their moms, their executives. Yeah, let's have coffee. And then she sits down with her and she, like, opens this book or whatever, opens this piece of paper. And it was. The bully had, like, made fun of her black, curly hair and made like a cartoon and kind of tortured her during like a summer camp or something. And the victim is now like, I don't know, a CEO at Google, like, is so successful. And the other girl is like, oh, my God, like, you are so successful. You got a Brazilian blowout.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, yep.

[Heather McDonald]

Why are you still, like, I can't believe you're carrying this. But, like, I'm sorry. And it's always like, the bully doesn't really remember or something. And they didn't really. You never are gonna get what you

[Brandi Howard]

want, what you wanted.

[Heather McDonald]

You're never gonna get like, you know why I did it. You know, they're just. You're not. It's like, it's crazy. So.

[Julie Goldman]

Because you want the reason to be that they were as obsessed with you.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

As you were with them. Because they're bullying you. But they're just awful people.

[Heather McDonald]

They're just dicks. They were just dicks.

[Brandi Howard]

They don't even remember.

[Heather McDonald]

They don't even care. And also in their kid brain, they don't really realize, like, the cruelty. Like children can be the most cruel. They really don't realize how cruel and how they were excluding you and how it.

[Brandi Howard]

Like, that's how. How not dumb, but how shows their character. Even now that they can't even see.

[Julie Goldman]

Sounds like it should just be over it.

[Brandi Howard]

It doesn't matter. Like, a lot of times, it's like. I mean, I didn't know. I was a kid.

[Heather McDonald]

I had one mean, bullying moment that haunts me all the time. Yeah, I am friendly with this girl. Have been friendly with her for the last few years. 30 years. But when we were like 12 or 13, we all hung out. And there was. There was her and two other girls and me. Cause there was four of us. And the two girls said, we're gonna tell her today that she can't hang out with us. And I mean, I will remember it like it's a movie. And we.

[Julie Goldman]

You said okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I said, okay. We went up to her and it was something to affect. We're not gonna hang out with you anymore.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, me girls.

[Heather McDonald]

She goes, is this a joke? Are you guys kidding? And we're like, no.

[Julie Goldman]

And it was like, you can't sit at our table. Why are you wearing pink on Friday?

[Heather McDonald]

We're just not gonna hang. Do anything with you anymore. And later on, she went to another high school. We were friends. I've never talked to about it with. I swear, every time.

[Julie Goldman]

I still know her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, I still know her.

[Julie Goldman]

You got to do the addressing, like, with the curly hair.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't want to bring it up.

[Julie Goldman]

I think it's too.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm hoping she forgot. I would love it if she doesn't remember it as the victim and I'm the one that remembers it.

[Julie Goldman]

But this is your Alex Cooper opportunity. She should be sitting right here.

[Heather McDonald]

She's. First of all, she's gorgeous. She's successful. She's on her second husband, who's very successful and hot. We have a great time every time we see each other. But every time I see her, you think of that. I remember the building, and I remember going, I know this is wrong. I'm not sticking up to these two girls. Why am I not? And how much that must have hurt her.

[Julie Goldman]

Are the other girls ugly now?

[Heather McDonald]

One. I will keep in touch with. One. I'm like, Facebook friends. And she was always really nice. It was honestly really out of character that we did.

[Julie Goldman]

That was the one. Was the one. The mean one?

[Heather McDonald]

No, it was like we weren't even popular enough to be that mean. Like, I don't know how the three of us came up with it. I don't know if the three of us were a threesome. And then she kind of infiltrated, and they were like, we don't. We don't enjoy her that much. I don't know what Their memory was. I just remember the confrontation and how awful that was.

[Julie Goldman]

Wouldn't it be crazy if you found out it was actually you that came up with the idea. The woman's gonna get on Facebook and be like, heather, that was you.

[Heather McDonald]

Or that she was like, yeah, I forgave you. Because I'm like. She's like, who cares? And it wasn't a big deal. Or if she. If she goes, no, Heather, you called me that night and said you were sorry. Like, I don't know.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Why? Why has she been cool to me all these other years? It must. Hopefully it wasn't that bad.

[Julie Goldman]

This is the bully podcast in my

[Heather McDonald]

life that I really feel like it was an outwardly, like, mean, awful thing.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. And, like, if you went into, like, recovery, you'd have to call her up and make amends. I mean, this does need to be

[Heather McDonald]

an alcoholic at 12.

[Julie Goldman]

No, but I mean, but you still. People go back into their histories. But this needs to be on I Was a bully podcast. Like, this is. You know.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, this is coming out. Oh, by the way, the Jonas Brothers has a podcast.

[Julie Goldman]

Really? They lost all their money, though, right?

[Brandi Howard]

I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

They seem to be. Maybe. I mean, it makes sense. I think they.

[Julie Goldman]

One of them failed TV shows. The oldest brother got into some financial trouble, so they started doing, like, a.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, good luck splitting the I heart money three ways.

[Julie Goldman]

Get that neutrophil money, honey. We're big fans of Nutrafol

[Heather McDonald]

girls. What's going on with you? Tell everybody where they can get more of the Brandi and Julie experience. Dynamic comedic duos.

[Brandi Howard]

Well, you go to dumb gay politics. You can get that on Apple or anywhere. You get your podcast. That's our political podcast. Liberal political, political podcast. But we do Patreon. We do three of them a week,

[Julie Goldman]

which is not political at all.

[Brandi Howard]

At all. At all.

[Heather McDonald]

We're just trying three Patreons a week

[Brandi Howard]

of our shows a week.

[Heather McDonald]

Join Patreon, you guys. Patreon's worth at.

[Brandi Howard]

This is where it's at.

[Heather McDonald]

It's really where it's at. And so fun.

[Julie Goldman]

And if you. There's tiers. So if you want to just do the, you know, the cheapest and you get one a week. I feel like sometimes too much content overwhelms people, but, like, one a week, it's not political. We need it desperately. So we're just begging you.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

Things are changing. Phoenix, Arizona, we're going to be there doing nightmare and strip Street. So there's going to be that.

[Heather McDonald]

What are the dates.

[Brandi Howard]

July 30th, I think is the first show. And it goes to August 27th or something like that, or 24th, but you can go check that out.

[Julie Goldman]

And we're also gonna be doing Strip street in la. And you might, if you come to the LA one that's in October, you

[Heather McDonald]

might see Heather and many other stars. Yes, many other stars. And it's a Halloween, you know, it's a scary, it's a scary sexy show. So it's perfect for the Halloween season. Or if you're just thinking like I want a reason to go to la, you might wanna like plan for October, everybody. My Patreon and everything else [e-mail] thank you so much. Love you. Make sure you get into Juicy Crimes, that's every Wednesday.

[Julie Goldman]

And rate, review and subscribe.

[Heather McDonald]

That's right. Share it. Go to YouTube.

[Brandi Howard]

Smash the subscribe.

[Heather McDonald]

Make sure you subscribe on YouTube please. Thank you. Love you. Bye.

[Julie Goldman]

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[Brandi Howard]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Heather McDonald]

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