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Heather McDonald
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Heather McDonald
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Julie Goldman
When you're on the road, when you're.
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Heather McDonald
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Julie Goldman
Listen up.
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Heather McDonald
Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have your favorite dynamic comedic duo that dabbles in the absurdity of politics. The stars of Dumb Gay Politics podcast, we have Julie Goldman and Brandi Howard. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop, girls.
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Julie Goldman
Good to see you. We've missed you.
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Heather McDonald
I know. And you missed a real fun weekend. And don't say you weren't invited, because I said, what are you doing Sunday? Meet me in Palm Springs. It's Modernism week. And we got a table at Bar Issy. We went to the Shag house. We went in an old fashioned car. And all I could think about is how much both of you. How much Brandi would love the glam, how much Julie would love the car, how much you guys would both love the old fashioned houses. And I'm like, sorry. Nerds doing taxes. Nerds being responsible.
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Brandi Howard
It's true. It's true.
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Heather McDonald
Sorry.
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Brandi Howard
It is true.
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Julie Goldman
And now we're leaving to Minneapolis and will not be.
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Heather McDonald
I know I wasn't gonna brag about myself, but I mean, here I am, like, looking so like, I walked out of Mad Men 19, like 68.
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Brandi Howard
I love the people behind you. It's like.
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Heather McDonald
It was that. It's so fabulous. That was Roger Moore's house that now Martin Ballard has owned and redone for a decade. And he had an event there. And.
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Brandi Howard
No, we weren't invited to that, though.
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Heather McDonald
Well, that one was Valentine's Day. Just kidding.
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Julie Goldman
I don't know.
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Brandi Howard
We know. But you look so good.
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Heather McDonald
Just teasing me. But the next day was so good too.
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Brandi Howard
I know, I know. I love this picture.
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Heather McDonald
Yesterday I went on the double decker bus with Shannon and her pickleball friends.
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Brandi Howard
How was that?
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Heather McDonald
I'm squeezing in on that friendship. She's like, and so anyway, really fun. It was two and a half hours on the double decker box. We thought it was gonna rain and it did not rain.
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Julie Goldman
And it rained here.
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Heather McDonald
I loved it. It was like, nostalgic, you know, it was fun. But now for next year, I know exactly the events and things to do. Like, there's a house you can go into that's like up in the mountains. That's a tour. And that one I want to go to. Like, I want to go, like, now that I've done a couple things, I'm like, okay, next year I can do tumble because there's so many things to choose from.
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Julie Goldman
Do you go in the houses or do you just look at the outside?
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Heather McDonald
Went into one of the houses and then there happened to be two open houses on that street. So it was like, those were free. But then you like, do a little tour where like a volunteer, like a persnickety gay guy is like. Knows everything but is like a delight. Will tell you everything. How they did the house, they redid the house, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, it's just like jam. I just like want to go back. It's all. And then they showed us where they filmed or took the likeness for. Don't worry about. Don't worry about it, darling.
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Julie Goldman
Don't worry, darling don't worry, darling.
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Heather McDonald
Which is just like the one in the.
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Brandi Howard
In the.
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Heather McDonald
The Palm Springs where they each had like a different colored door and a different colored car when they all. The ending was weird, but the beginning of them living in that sense style was just like heaven.
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Julie Goldman
I love their inside of their houses in that movie too. I know that, like sunken living room.
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Heather McDonald
Well, now you know he has a sunken living room. And then. Yeah. And just. You were in Moore's house.
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Brandi Howard
How cool is that?
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Heather McDonald
I know.
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Brandi Howard
How cool is that?
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Heather McDonald
Roger Moore next year. Well, first of all, we'll do something with Martin on another night, just us. We need.
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Julie Goldman
Julie and I need to be with Martin to discuss Erika Jayne's pool area that he redid.
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Heather McDonald
Darling. He has so much going on. He's gonna do a juicy scoop. I'm gonna go to his house, film it good. He's got big things, really big things coming out that I don't know if I'm allowed to say. Okay, so now let's just. It was Valentine's Day weekend. But before we get into that, as of now, Nancy Guthrie still has not been found. And there's been some weirder things to it. One of the things that the tiktokers have brought up, and now even Page Six and other people are talking about it, is there was this one guy that was like a neighbor that said, I don't know, like he inserted himself into it and he's like, I don't know. I would look at the brother in law or whatever and one of the photos from the. From the cam, from the ring cam. The person's wearing a glove and it looks like they have a ring on. And so they noticed that guy talking in the neighborhood. To have a ring that would look to be that shape. I think it's a bit of a stretch. I think if I had this ring on, it would probably look like that under a glove, but I don't know. And his ring was more like a medallion.
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Julie Goldman
I mean, geez, you're gonna just say that?
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Brandi Howard
I'm not saying I was there, but if it was my ring, I didn't even know.
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Heather McDonald
Nancy, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Julie Goldman
I saw the video, and it's a flat.
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Heather McDonald
It's a flat like a medallion, almost like you. Like a class ring. Kind of like a flat like a men's.
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Brandi Howard
Like.
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Heather McDonald
Yes. Where it had maybe like slight writing on it and kind of be thick gold. Not a wedding ring.
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Brandi Howard
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
Not a jewel.
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Julie Goldman
The guy had a weird vibe, though. Yeah. So between the ring kind of matching and then him inserting himself, and not only inserting himself, but then saying it's the brother in law, you know, it was giving like, ID murders. Remember how that guy kind of couldn't keep off the message board?
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Heather McDonald
Yes, yes, exactly. Which is something that happens a lot where they show up or they're the ones leading the search or whatever. They're there at the vigil. Then Harvey Levin, I saw four hours ago, one of the news sources said TMZ is going to stop reporting on the tips that they get. And then I opened the phone right before. We were about to record one hour ago, Harvey Levin. We've got a hot tip. We got another letter from the person why they keep sending it there. He also said now they think that she might be in Mexico. Well, how did she get in Mexico? Did they also take her passport? I mean, the thing about it is, she's an older woman. She doesn't have a distinct look. Even if you put a wig on her glasses, you wouldn't say literally. I sent you a photo of a woman enjoying our favorite salad at Portovilla on El Paseo. And I said, do you think Nancy just drove from Arizona to Palm Desert just to get away and is just enjoying that dill salad, that porta via salad.
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Julie Goldman
But between your ring and you spotting her in Palm Desert, it's becoming clearer and clearer.
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Brandi Howard
Oh, my God.
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Heather McDonald
I mean, they also had a. I think an archbishop from. I don't think he's the Catholic archbishop. Do they have archbishops, like in Episcopalian or Anyway, Presbyterian. Anyways, somebody of high religious order prayed with the cat. With the. With the hosts of the Today show today.
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Julie Goldman
Oh.
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Brandi Howard
Oh, that's weird.
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Heather McDonald
And it is weird.
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Brandi Howard
That's weird.
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Heather McDonald
There was another weird thing where another person discovered that Savannah's husband. Now. And I know people are be like, leave her alone. I don't care. This is juicy scoop. This is all I want to talk about. I'm gonna tell you the stuff that we found. I'm not accusing anybody. I'm saying what people are putting Together, since nobody can find her. And the other day, they're like, oh, there was a lot. There was even, like, something where I saw, like, oh, we found a dropped glove.
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Julie Goldman
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
Like they're doing, like, O.J. like, like really? A dropped glove matches the DNA of that was. Touched. That touched the. I don't even know. It's, like, ridiculous. It's really weird. It's weird. And so they said, where is Savannah? Because the sister and the brother in law have been seen in Tucson. Her husband, who I. Who did have a business with the Clintons, who did have a company that, like, was PR and for politics called work or something like that. He. So he is connected. She did interview Epstein victims at a time. She did write a book that in the book, someone read a portion of the book that as children, her cousin would kidnap she and her sister for fun and take them away for three days. And then the mom would play along with it. They'd be like, we have your daughters. And the mom would play along with it. What? It's in one of her memoirs or one of her books about spirit, spirituality. Savannah.
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Brandi Howard
Oh, because it's part of spirituality.
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Heather McDonald
Part of spirituality. I mean, we all talked about being kidnapped. We all talked about, you know, you were adopted. Your older brother would tell you you were adopted. Whatever. I'm not saying. I'm just saying all the weird things. Okay. Yeah. The other one was when she did her video. She's like, sitting outside near, like a. A succulent type of plant that could be in North Hollywood, it could be in Tucson, it could be whatever. And this girl goes, oh, there's a white stucco behind her, but that's not the outside of Nancy's house, and that's not the outside of Annie's house. Where is Savannah if she's not been spotted in Tucson since this started? Not at a restaurant, not in front of the house. Not just in the little videos that we've seen. One with the family and then one with her alone, still thanking for prayers. Could be an Airbnb. We don't know. I'm just saying, as we says, this is the only story that they're feeding us, and we don't know where this woman is. I'm helping, trying to help find her with my ring and my spottings.
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Brandi Howard
Honestly, this is the most confusing, bizarre, weird, shady. I mean, it's like there's nothing to hold onto. It's awful. It just makes me think of my own mother. If this were to happen to my own mother. Now, I don't think Someone would withstand. My own mother. I think if they came into the house and they tried anything, I think her Jewish motherness would literally. They just wouldn't be able. Like, what are you doing here, Leon? Like, there would be no way to withstand her. But, like, I don't.
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Heather McDonald
Or she'd maybe be the type that'd be like, well, what you should have done. Yes, of course. Well, if you're gonna do a proper kidnapping, what you should have done is. And that's the photo you choose.
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Brandi Howard
That's right. Yeah. You know, that's how you open a door. That's how you open a door. No, I'm not. I can't. You're exactly right. She would literally shame them. I just feel so bad for Nancy. Like, whatever happened to Nancy, I can't. I mean, I just. It's just awful.
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Heather McDonald
It could just be one of those super bizarre things.
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Brandi Howard
Or did they.
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Heather McDonald
It happened with. You know, it was a very bizarre thing that happened with Elizabeth Smart, you know, and she was found years later, not years months later. But, I mean, we just don't know. There have been weird things, and we just hope that the. It's okay.
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Julie Goldman
I just don't know the motive. Unless it's money, in which case. Right. I would, you know, hope that they pay the money and try to, like, get her back.
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Brandi Howard
Plus, at this point, too, every single thing. My mind right now is so deep into Epstein that, like, every single thing is connected.
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Heather McDonald
Things somehow connected.
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Brandi Howard
And I don't know how everything's connected.
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Heather McDonald
And I don't know what the theory is. I don't have. I can't say this is what I think, because I don't know. And it changes every day. And I just think, you know, sometimes now when things pass and they're like, but we will pay you, but it's bitcoin. But why are you going to Harvey Levin? And, like, I just feel like, who knows who the. It's just at a certain point. And then when does all of a sudden they stop reporting on it?
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Brandi Howard
It's. Yeah. And why the bitcoin is. It's just all of it. It's just all of it. It's just so weird. And even at the beginning, when the first second it started, the sheriff, they made such a huge listen. And not that they shouldn't, but people get kidnapped and killed, and there's a lot of horrible things that happen to people every single day that go under the radar, are not reported or whatever. And the level that they came out with, this also seemed weird.
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Heather McDonald
I Mean, they just found 75 kids in LA that were being trafficked between the ages girls and boys, 13 to 15. 75 in just LA. Those were. So those kids were all missing. Those kids. Nobody knew where they were. They still haven't arrested David, the singer in the crime where the girl was found in his Tesla. Oh, right.
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Julie Goldman
They haven't. Is he missing? Is he missing?
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Brandi Howard
No, he's just not arrested.
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Heather McDonald
I guess they know. They just haven't arrested him yet. I don't know. Okay, so it was. It was. Look at. I. Look. Who liked it, by the way?
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Brandi Howard
I love it.
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Heather McDonald
In my photo that I took, this is Portia, who is enjoying a lesbian love affair this Valentine Day.
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Julie Goldman
Lesbian Valentine's.
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Heather McDonald
Lesbian Valentine's Day, which is a fun part, is when they were in. I think they were in Thailand or Vietnam when they did their ultimate girls trip. And she was there. And there was that cute guy who was the butler of the house.
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Julie Goldman
Yeah, that Pepsi or whatever.
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Heather McDonald
And he says, you gotta be a lesbian. And she goes, what? He's like, you're gonna be a lesbian. And they show that. And then, anyway, now she's a lesbian.
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Julie Goldman
I don't remember any of that.
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Heather McDonald
It's people. It might have. He might have been saying something else, but it sounds like that. And people have made it, like, funny, because now she is in love.
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Julie Goldman
Happy the Lesbian day, Portia.
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Heather McDonald
This is quite a to do. It was. You would have thought it was an engagement, a wedding. This must have cost 50 to 60 thousand dollars. And she got a fancy Birkin from her girlfriend. It was people filming it and walking around. And I'm like, the production that these influencer reality stars do to show the world that I'm in love. Like, it makes me feel like if I was to do that, like, you guys should recreate it, I'd be buying all my own gifts. And then I'd be like, peter, just get up from the.
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Julie Goldman
From the chair, Peter, come on.
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Heather McDonald
And then I'm being like, what? What? Stop it. Stop it. Okay. Cause then Bri, who is one of nine baby mamas and selling Sunset Realtor with Nick Cannon, some would argue she might be number one. I don't know. Someone argues she's between two and three. Many of the girls did elaborate Christmas card photo shoots that they all shared on Instagram. I think four to five of them did it. He participated in all of them.
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Julie Goldman
Good for him.
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Heather McDonald
So then this girl Bri was like, oh, no, I know. We all did Christmas. I'm gonna get you on Valentine's Day. And he's wearing a Phantom of the Opera mask. So at first I was like, maybe she just got an actor.
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Julie Goldman
Exactly.
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Heather McDonald
Maybe she just got somebody to shove it in the other baby mama's face. But then the more I looked, she. And then someone's like in the comments. Wow, he did a great job. Did he do it all himself? And she wrote, my planner helped. And then people are like, yeah. And like, you know, imagine the person that has to take the photo. Now. Act surprised as you're walking in. Oh, here's the watch. And this is where I was like. Because he's wearing, like, the head wrap. And then I do think this is him. I do think he came for this. So then she had to show off her brace, her watch. I got this watch, and I'm acting super surprised. And then cheers to love. Yours in every lifetime. This last thing that looks like you.
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Brandi Howard
Could do a line of cocaine on that. It looks like it's all in cocaine.
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Julie Goldman
If only.
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Heather McDonald
And also, just so you know, to the other girls. Yeah.
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Brandi Howard
Cheers to love. Okay. Cheers to love. There's nothing more romantic than what I would feel so romanticized by, than if you looked me in the eye and said, cheers to love.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Brandi Howard
You know what I mean? That really.
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Heather McDonald
Cheers to love. Hey.
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Brandi Howard
Cheers to love. Hey. Hey, everyone. Cheers to love. Beautiful.
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Heather McDonald
This was great. I'm stuffed. Yep. I have two other.
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Julie Goldman
Right.
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Heather McDonald
Valentine situations I have to get to. I have to just change my jacket. And I haven't seen any other girls do this, so I think she might have been the one to beat him to the punch. She might have even done this on the 13th to get it out. I don't know.
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Julie Goldman
Do we think he's still currently making love to, like, at least half of those girls? Because Valentine's is. This would imply they are still doing it romantically involved as opposed to co parents.
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Heather McDonald
She has more fun shoving this stuff in the other baby mama's faces and letting. And having the world have more followers and having the world be like, we're rooting for you. Like, it's a contest.
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Brandi Howard
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
You're going to be the one in the end, you know, or whatever. I don't know. I find it very entertaining to watch. Like, I have to say, the Instagram wars of the baby mamas of Nick Cannon. It could be a whole reality show on its own.
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Julie Goldman
He could do the Bachelor, but he's the Bachelor with all of his own.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Julie Goldman
With all of his baby mamas, you know, and it's like, who gets the rose? Cheers to love.
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Brandi Howard
Hilarious. Cheers to love. That's the name of the show. Cheers to love with Nick Cannon. I mean he, he, he is giving the men who have sister wives like a tutorial. I will say he is showing up.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Brandi Howard
And those guys, I mean, look at that.
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Julie Goldman
Cody cannot do four Christmas cards and look where he ended up.
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Brandi Howard
Exactly. But there's Nick Cannon with 13 kids and how many women.
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Heather McDonald
And each girl is gorgeous and put together and seems to have her own thing going on.
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Brandi Howard
And he seems to know all of his kids names and so who are.
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Julie Goldman
We to judge, right?
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Brandi Howard
They're all so happy.
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Heather McDonald
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Brandi Howard
That's what I did.
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Heather McDonald
And then I was like, oh, my gosh. It's reality checks. Inside America's next top Model. It was a three part little series on Netflix which now, I mean, now everybody listen. Network ex are like, what horrific reality show did we think was normal 15 to 20 years ago? And how can we reuse all that footage and have a couple of the old stars come on to talk about how they were awful? And then we've got a three part series. I mean, I'm ready for rock a love. I'm ready for New York.
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Commercial Announcer
Yep.
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Heather McDonald
I'm ready for who is the guy that had the big clock on his flavor of love. Flavor of love.
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Julie Goldman
I'm ready for surreal life.
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Heather McDonald
Surreal life, Surreal life. There's so many more that we can do from the era. The swan. Where are they today?
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Brandi Howard
What's the hot or not? What's that one? We were talking.
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Heather McDonald
That was a very short one where Lorenzo lamas had a lazy Lorenzo lamas and they like found like a score to fat. So this show, this was good because I would watch it, but I wasn't like, you know, watching it all the time. And what it was for those that don't know is, you know, Tyra Banks was a top model. She had a great idea for a show kind of like an American Idol meets like, you know, surreal world or real world Survivor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where they're gonna take girls who have no experience in modeling, put them through what it would be if they were to become a top model. However, what I realized in the series is none of them did. None of them became Adrian Curry had some other opportunities, but nobody became like a real model where you'd open it at and you're like, oh, this the girl, Right? The girl that got the COVID girl ad is a season four winner. Like not one only.
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Julie Goldman
Eva Marcel is arguably the most successful.
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Heather McDonald
But definitely but not as she went on to do more reality shows. And she's stunning and a lot of the girls are really pretty. But it was just like the swan when the swans would Leave and go back to their job at the, you know, at the. Whatever, the ice cream shop. They couldn't afford to keep in their hair extensions and everything. And then the face would start to. The filler would go down, and then they were just left with, like, big choppers and. And holes in their hair.
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Brandi Howard
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
It's like, you can't keep it up.
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Brandi Howard
This was very interesting, I thought.
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Julie Goldman
And they are gonna probably do all the other shows, right? Cause it's reality checked inside.
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Heather McDonald
I'm sure we're just gonna. We're just gonna be reminded of that there was an entire different species of horrible people that made TV and watched it, but it was only 15 years ago.
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Julie Goldman
And that we were a part of that. Yeah, we were all totally a part of it. We made it, we watched it, we were in it. And it's just, like, recent past. And it is absolutely horrifying. I mean, deeply. It was, like, unbelievable.
- [26:59]
Brandi Howard
You'd think it was, like, from 1991. I know it wasn't.
- [27:02]
Julie Goldman
Julie's upset, like, about, like, the girl who did not give implicit consent. And I'm upset about the amount of jeans and, like, you know, color blocking tops. I was like, if I see one more set of jeans and, like, a V neck, like, top. I was horrified.
- [27:19]
Heather McDonald
The lowrider jeans, when I would watch it back in the day, I probably related most to Janice Dickinson. I'll admit it. I was like, these girls are not pretty enough to be models. I understand why they chose them. They chose them because it was a reality show. So we wanted emotion. We wanted a weird story. We wanted to see if they would fight together and maybe we could do them with some blonde hair. But a lot of them, no, like, I mean, I tried to be a model one day. One day I had a real cousin who was a real model.
- [27:57]
Julie Goldman
A real cousin.
- [27:58]
Heather McDonald
A real cousin who was a real model. Like, a real model went to New York, went to Europe, all the whole thing. And she was stunning. And actually we were not blood related, which I should have listened to that part more.
- [28:10]
Julie Goldman
So. But anyway, turns out she's not a real cousin.
- [28:13]
Heather McDonald
I mean, I guess she's not a real cousin. She's a neighbor. She's so. She was stunning, you know, back then. She had a perfect nose when you couldn't buy a perfect nose. She had perfect teeth when you couldn't buy perfect teeth. So it's, you know. And she said, you know, you're tall and you're thin enough, you should just go and do a. Go see. She's like, just take some photos of yourself, like, innovating different looks and. And go on a Monday to all the places in la. There's a way you can get the list. So one Monday between the summer of.
- [28:45]
Julie Goldman
Freshman and sophomore year, did you take the bikini shots?
- [28:48]
Heather McDonald
I did. My sister took them on the beach and everything. And I wore a black dress and heels and got as cute as I could get. And now all these other girls had the big books, but back then, those big books would cost $800, a thousand dollars to do. So I was like, let's just see if somebody wants me, then maybe I'll pay for the big book. Every person rejected me. One person said, okay, I'll. I'll see you walk. So then I walked, and they said, you do have a good walk, but you would have to get professional photos for us to even think about you again. And then that was it. I felt, that's it.
- [29:25]
Julie Goldman
Expensive thing to pursue back in the day. Yeah.
- [29:28]
Heather McDonald
Now you can just go on Instagram and do it yourself and be all different shapes and sizes. But there you really, like, you know, had to have a perfect profile. You know, you've modeled, you've acted. Julie's slept her way to the top, right? Yes. And Brandi has legit done modeling and stuff because she has, you know, perfect face and a good nose.
- [29:47]
Julie Goldman
Oh, that's so nice. I mean, I lived in Japan alone when I was 15, so I'm just, like, thanking God that I was too much of a bitch to be messed with, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I did a lot of dubious auditions, and I would leave thinking, I wonder where that tape's gonna end up. But I never ended up being like. I mean, I probably would have, like, done a casting couch thing. I was pretty into, like, trying to book stuff nobody ever tried. I'd been like, well, what is it.
- [30:14]
Heather McDonald
Gonna take with this show? Yes. So one of the more disturbing, the most disturbing thing now, how. What did you think about? First of all, what did you think about Tyra doing it in her detective trench coat? Well, why is she wearing a detective trench coat?
- [30:30]
Julie Goldman
First and foremost, we wanted. We came up with America's Next Top PI. And the panel is Tyra in the middle and all different trench coats each week. Then we have Bo Deedle.
- [30:42]
Brandi Howard
He'll be on the panel.
- [30:43]
Julie Goldman
Heather.
- [30:43]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [30:44]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, we have Bo Dittle.
- [30:46]
Heather McDonald
Bo Deedle. That's amazing. Yes.
- [30:47]
Julie Goldman
Dog the Bounty Hunter.
- [30:49]
Heather McDonald
I love it.
- [30:49]
Brandi Howard
Okay.
- [30:50]
Julie Goldman
And then Nancy Grace.
- [30:52]
Brandi Howard
Now that's your next show. That, as they find the next you're welcome.
- [30:56]
Heather McDonald
You're welcome.
- [30:57]
Brandi Howard
You're welcome.
- [30:58]
Heather McDonald
Okay. You know, like, I thought it was interesting that she did it. I think she did it because they're gonna do it with or without you, so you might as well do it. And she probably already saw that people were attacking her because people look back and everyone on Tick Tock is 23 and have souls, and they're like, why the are. Were people so horrible back then? And so she's like, I need to explain where I'm coming from. So I thought she came off, honestly. Okay. I know she's getting a lot of chrism. I think she came off okay. You know, and then when we get to when they end, I always want to go to that part. So there's the three people that were the regulars. There was Janice Dickinson, who did not participate in it.
- [31:40]
Brandi Howard
I wish she would have, though, because she is the absolute best.
- [31:43]
Heather McDonald
And she pops up now and again through social media. But, you know, probably because she doesn't look the way she looked then, and people are very critical of that. And she was critical of people's looks. She came on my show and she was a fucking hoot. And she wrote a great book, too. No Lifeguard on Duty. It's a great memoir about the business, if you like memoirs.
- [32:08]
Julie Goldman
And we like her. We've met her, hung out with her several times.
- [32:10]
Heather McDonald
Totally. That's where I met her. So there's Ms. J, who was this black gay guy who taught models how to walk, and she thought, let's have him do it. And so entertaining. So he's on it, talking about his experience. Then there was Jay Emanuel, who was. Was he her makeup artist or her clothing stylist? So she picked him up and then she got this photographer, which I couldn't figure out. Was the photographer straight or gay?
- [32:42]
Julie Goldman
They were saying he was straight. They said they wanted. They added him later because they wanted a straight, white hot guy.
- [32:47]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [32:48]
Brandi Howard
But he's my.
- [32:49]
Julie Goldman
Well, I never knew the entirety of the show, all 27 cycles that he was ever straight.
- [32:55]
Heather McDonald
You never thought.
- [32:56]
Julie Goldman
I had no idea that Nigel or whatever was straight. I always thought he was gay the whole time.
- [33:00]
Heather McDonald
Okay, so then the juicy part is Jay goes on to say, you know, at a certain point, cycle, and they call it cycle instead of seasons, because they were doing two seasons or two cycles per year. So it had gone on now for like nine, 10 years. And Jay's like, I just don't think we've done it all. We're doing really weird stuff now. We're Showing we're gonna do a shoot where you guys were all tragically murdered. And we know that your mom was shot in the head by her boyfriend. So we're gonna show you shot in the head. I mean, it was really so he. I don't know if that had to do with it or just someone becoming complacent in what they're doing and just kind of like, is this all there is? And maybe I haven't gotten the raise I want. Maybe I have a couple people in my ear saying, you could have your own show. So he does write Tyra an email saying, like, I loved it, but I'm gonna move on. And then he was like. And then I don't hear back for her for two days. And then all she writes is, I'm disappointed. I never hear from her. But then when we sit down to film, we're laughing and filming and everything again, and he's just like. And I have to say, I'm on team Tyra on this one.
- [34:12]
Julie Goldman
Same.
- [34:12]
Heather McDonald
Like, you wrote that you didn't want to do it. She's totally bummed about it.
- [34:17]
Julie Goldman
Same.
- [34:18]
Heather McDonald
And you said you wanted out. So then what I think happened? So then they all go on. Remember this show? Show Biz Tonight? Oh, yeah. Exclusive. They all go on the show because after Jay says that. But he still, I guess, has one year left on his contractor, one cycle left. Then Tyra and the EP claim that their bosses said, the show's dipped a lot. Let's do a whole new fresh panel. So they. They get let go, and they think that she's put out the thing to Page Six that they were fired. So then they go on Showbiz Tonight.
- [34:53]
Julie Goldman
Now, this wasn't in the document. This is the juicy scoop.
- [34:56]
Heather McDonald
Well, no, this part. Well, they insinuate. How did it get into Page Six?
- [35:01]
Julie Goldman
Okay. I don't remember.
- [35:02]
Heather McDonald
They were fired. Yeah, they say that. Like, they definitely think it's her. And she is like, I didn't have the say. It was the network. Yes, I'm the ep, but the network is the one that's like, we need a fresh thing. Which I kind of believe her. I do believe her. And also, you already said you wanted to leave. So I think if anybody should be mad at anybody, it should be the two guys. Ms. J and Nigel should be mad at Jay. Jay. Because Jay's the one that started the crumble by leaving. And so then they were probably like, probably when Tyra went and said, hey, you guys, just so you know, Jay wrote me, and he's Gonna leave. This is gonna be his last cycle. Then they were probably like, wait a minute. Maybe it's time that we shake it up, do something new. Get a bunch of people that we could pay $2 to. That's what I think happened.
- [35:51]
Brandi Howard
Like, why didn't Jake. They were so close. They were such good friends. And we don't know exactly what happened. So, fine. So we're theorizing from what it seems to me from watching it and him, since there's huge holes in his story, and she never acknowledges any of it and doesn't want to talk about it. Like, why didn't you go to her? Why'd you send her an email? Why didn't you talk to her? Why didn't you sit down with her? Why didn't you say, I'm unhappy? Why didn't you say, what can we do? Why didn't you work together? You dropped an email and you said, I'm leaving. And you basically just also.
- [36:22]
Julie Goldman
And blindsided her.
- [36:23]
Brandi Howard
Exactly. And then also, like, that's shitty to do to your friend. You guys were literally friends, and now you're the victim. In addition to. There is nothing that drives me crazier than when someone quits a successful show I cannot stand. I don't care if it's. If it's Juliana Margulies. Yeah. And she's the only one who then went on did the good. The Good Wife, and she was lucky. But you are an asshole. You leave a show, you're making money, you're on tv, you're getting everything you want. And I get it creatively. You want to maybe work, do something, have a conversation, talk to somebody. Honestly, have it. But, like, now. Look where you are now. Like it's right.
- [37:03]
Heather McDonald
Or go and say, is it possible that I could do. Could we in the next project, make it that I could do this other project, Something like. Like, whatever. But once you send an email. She got sent this email. She probably immediately sent it to the. The executives and also her lawyers, because she's like, I have a hot potato. There's nothing I. If I try to convince him to stay, then I could put myself in legal jeopardy. So he's the one that wrote. He put it in writing. He didn't say it over drinks.
- [37:35]
Brandi Howard
Exactly.
- [37:35]
Julie Goldman
That's what I said. I was like, take. They should have sat down to dinner. I feel like it always comes back to money. Like, sit down and be like, we created these. These characters on your show. Like, Ms. J and J created these characters. And then even Nigel that were then Taken and recreated all over the world, like Germany's Next Top Model, you know, all these places and. But they didn't use any of them. And I don't believe they were getting a cut of the show. So if he would have just sat down and even if she had said, I can't control that or I can't give you 1% or I can't guarantee residuals, then at that point, it is what it is. And he's. He didn't blindside her. And they could have stayed friends. I mean, he. He acted like they were closer than, like, brother and sister even.
- [38:16]
Heather McDonald
I mean, also, I think sometimes you're doing a show and you are really clicky and really fun, and you have all this fun, but then you're like, okay, well, you can't do the show anymore. And it's. The show is big, and, you know, she's in a position. I just feel like everyone always is so quick to just be like, you're Cruella deville. You're the Devil Wears product woman. You're the woman, and you're awful person. And we were besties. I was your gay bestie, and now you threw me off the butt.
- [38:43]
Julie Goldman
No, Like.
- [38:43]
Heather McDonald
Like, what am I supposed to do? Like, and I think it's, like, happened so much, and I think immediately the fans rally around the underling and always just think that, oh, you know, that's so sad. I'm like, you wrote an email saying.
- [38:58]
Brandi Howard
You didn't want to do the show anymore. Yeah, exactly. You didn't go to your friend. And not to mention the fact you also. I'm also not gonna. I'm also not having it from the same guy who we watched Tell Girls over and over again just to deal with it when you're being groped and when you're being made uncomfortable and when you don't want to do something or you. And fine, I get it. They're models. You have to wear what you're gonna do. But there comes a point, and I don't care. This was not 1987. This was 2008.
- [39:23]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [39:23]
Brandi Howard
Like, she went to you in front of everyone and said, I'm uncomfortable with this guy.
- [39:28]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [39:29]
Brandi Howard
And I don't appreciate it. And he said, just what? Nothing's gonna happen to you. And she had to stand there and cry while that guy groped her in front of everyone. So, yeah, that's you, Jay. So how about that, Jay?
- [39:40]
Heather McDonald
And basically what happened is there was a. An incident where they invite these guys over from a shoot, they get them in the Jacuzzi, and all the girls are drinking, and they weigh two pounds. They have one glass of wine, and they're wasted. And. And one guy's hitting on this girl Shandi, and she had a very serious boyfriend.
- [39:58]
Julie Goldman
And.
- [40:00]
Heather McDonald
And they have sex. And. Yeah, and they record it, and they have sex, and then they go. Well, the rule was if they go alone in the bathroom and shut the door, we can't follow them in. But if they go in with anybody else, then it's a story that we can film. So they film the fact that they took a shower together and that they wake up in the same bed together. And so she's just horrified and calls her boyfriend, breaks up with a boyfriend, and, you know, and she doesn't go on, I think, to pursue any kind of, like, modeling.
- [40:34]
Brandi Howard
And that's another thing that they all did, though, too. It's like, that's fine. She was flirting, and she has to take some accountability for her actions. But at the same time, you saw that she was blacked out drunk. You saw that she was so drunk that she's probably not making good decisions. And so y' all stood there behind your cameras, and you filmed it, and you allowed a man to have sex with her in front of you, and none of you did anything about it. And then you double down and you blamed her. And then you went and said, guess you shouldn't have cheated on your boyfriend. Guess you should have eaten something.
- [41:05]
Julie Goldman
And they also said they wouldn't give her her phone, and they would. They wouldn't let her call anyone. And she was like, then I'm going home. And then they're like, okay, you can call, but we have to film it, right? To not even give someone a phone. But you put that wine in there, and you let those guys go in there. But then when she requests a phone. So you don't have any rights in situations like that. I mean, that's the thing.
- [41:23]
Brandi Howard
And it's always the girl's fault. And I am extra spicy because of abstain. But it's like, because how many times do we have to see it and hear about it and go through it? And it's like. But it's always the girl's fault. And then. Oh, and then on top of that, Jay, you told her that she needed to. Oh, actually, that was you, Tyra. You told her that she needed to make it comfortable for everyone when.
- [41:51]
Julie Goldman
No, that was Julie's obsessed with the girl that was being groped while she was dancing.
- [41:55]
Heather McDonald
Oh, yeah. So then they did this other Video this other shoot where they were in, like, South Africa or something, and one girl's there, and she's supposed to be dancing with three guys. And one guy, from the very start, was very, like, aggressive and hitting on her, and he was, like, touching her leg and everything. And she was like, I'm not, like, comfortable with this guy, like, touching me. And they're like, too bad.
- [42:17]
Brandi Howard
You have to do it. And over and over. And then she had to stand there while he let. Literally, there's the picture. The final picture they used is of the guy, and he's touching her. But then Tyra tried to give her some. And this is the one thing where she tries to sort of defend herself and be like, listen, I was trying to empower her. And that was the time we were living in. And did she deserve better? Yes. But I did the best that I could. But she told her, just be cool and say, like, hey, bro, Like, I'm not into that. And just be, like, cool about it, you know, because you don't want to, like, make a scene. You don't want to, like, make it uncomfortable for everyone.
- [42:49]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [42:49]
Brandi Howard
And again, it's like, no, we wouldn't want to, God forbid, make the man who's groping me uncomfortable.
- [42:54]
Julie Goldman
They clearly were very irritated. Jay and the photographer, they're like, he literally. Jay literally stood up and was like, there's 50 people here. What do you think's gonna happen to you? And I'm like, thinking to myself, it's crazy that we had to go through me, too, for people, and I mean, women included, to understand that you have the right to, like, take a photo with someone. I mean, we know Taylor Swift went. Came out of hiding from the Kanye thing and went to court to testify against, like, a radio DJ who, like, put his hand all the way up her skirt and into her underwear while taking a photo. Like, you can't do a thing in a professional situation and that you have the right not to be touched inappropriately or groped. It's like. Cause this was pre. Pre. Me, too. And everybody was just like, what do you. Why are you acting scared? We're all here. What is he gonna do to you? And she's like, he's doing it to me now. The entire time.
- [43:43]
Brandi Howard
The whole time and aggressively the whole time. Give me your number. Where can I see you? Do, do, do, do. And it's like, there's more. There's the. The spectrum of harassment isn't just. Now I'm getting essayed in a room with a door shut. Even though there's a full camera crew watching it. But it's like they make you feel crazy. And they made her feel crazy for feeling uncomfortable by someone who was making her feel uncomfortable.
- [44:08]
Heather McDonald
And then they had the thing with the teeth. So now one girl did benefit from the teeth thing. She literally had a tooth coming out, like complete the epitome. Not just a snaggle tooth or one is like pointed. I mean like an extra tooth was coming out the top of her mouth.
- [44:26]
Julie Goldman
And it would make her smile. Be like, yeah, I'm sure they saw.
- [44:30]
Heather McDonald
Her and was like, this will be a good makeover thing. We'll do a dental thing. Then there was this gorgeous black girl that had a perfect face and she had a split between her teeth. And they're like, we want to close that gap with like veneers, like I guess make the two teeth bigger. And she's like, I don't want that. And then they're like, well, you're not gonna work. And. And Tyra's like, well listen, I talked to agents and stuff that they were like, what we. And I'm like, What about Lauren McCall? Like, why would that matter? Then a couple seasons later they find a girl that has a split between her teet. And Tyra was like, I want to make your split bigger. So then that girl, the original split between her two teeth, beautiful girl, was like, fuck you.
- [45:09]
Brandi Howard
Exactly. And she had every right.
- [45:12]
Heather McDonald
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- [49:25]
Julie Goldman
Also, all of the photo shoots. And the photos were trash.
- [49:29]
Brandi Howard
Oh, right. And we couldn't use them anyway.
- [49:31]
Julie Goldman
They were bright, Technicolor, totally weird. I mean, there was like a few of em that were like, I. The pictures were useless. It's like. Yeah, sorry, the shot of you getting your head shot off didn't. Wasn't a good look for elite models.
- [49:44]
Brandi Howard
Let me see as I look through your book. Oh, this one, you're in a coffin with cockroaches, right?
- [49:48]
Heather McDonald
Yes.
- [49:48]
Brandi Howard
Okay. Here you're flying off the side of a building with blood being spurted on you. Interesting. I mean, it's.
- [49:55]
Julie Goldman
Here's one where you're an elephant.
- [49:57]
Brandi Howard
Yeah. Oh, here's where you're a different race. Yes, this.
- [50:00]
Heather McDonald
Oh my God. Yeah, the different race thing.
- [50:03]
Julie Goldman
And then they said if you were offended. And Jay then said he had. He knew it was bad. He has. His two parents are from South Africa, which ended up not really being exactly true.
- [50:12]
Heather McDonald
But.
- [50:13]
Julie Goldman
And they're like, but if that offended you, they did it nine cycles later again.
- [50:17]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [50:18]
Julie Goldman
They then did it again. Like the show's.
- [50:21]
Heather McDonald
So Ms. J sadly suffered a very debilitating stroke a couple years ago. She seems to be doing better now. Or he. Sorry. I think he goes by he. Even though he does.
- [50:33]
Julie Goldman
We miss like a full chunk. Did we miss an episode? Because I didn't see any of this.
- [50:37]
Heather McDonald
But Ms. J says that. Never heard from Tyra. I don't think. Definitely they haven't. She definitely has not visited him.
- [50:47]
Brandi Howard
Oh, that is. That's sad.
- [50:50]
Heather McDonald
It is sad. However, I don't know if you haven't talked in five years.
- [50:56]
Brandi Howard
No, that's true.
- [50:57]
Heather McDonald
I mean, you know, doesn't mean that you're not praying for them per side and going, wow, I'm really sad about that. Like, I hope. I hope that there's. The recovery goes well, but I'm not an apologist for Tyra Bank. I'm just saying, like, okay, so. But this part, I found Adrienne Curry. She has a great Instagram and she did not participate and she did win one of the things and she won. The first one to do was it Surreal World. And that's where she met Peter Brady and married him. And then they had a reality show about their life that she was Married to this much older guy that was originally the star of the Brady Bunch as the middle brother. And they eventually divorced. But it was very, very entertaining.
- [51:42]
Julie Goldman
So entertaining.
- [51:43]
Heather McDonald
Unhinged and, like, lives in Montana and, like, has naturally gray hair. She's still very attractive. So she did a thing and she goes, yeah, they asked me and I'm so glad I didn't do it because none of the other girls got paid for that doc either. They didn't get paid when they were doing the. The show. And they're not getting paid now. You better believe that J, Manuel, Ms. J and Nigel got fucking paid to appear on that. And Tyra. But the thing about these docs, though, that I didn't even realize because I've done some of them, they don't have to offer you pay. So if you. Because it's like, it's like a news story or whatever, right? So it doesn't have to fall in the lines of like, anything like that. So unless you say no, I'm not gonna do it unless you pay.
- [52:34]
Brandi Howard
Right?
- [52:34]
Heather McDonald
And then. So the girls probably just didn't again think to ask or maybe they thought, yeah, I'll do it. Like, I'm. I would like to, you know, whatever, get. Get it popping again. But I just thought she was just like. Once again, like, she really came off savvy. She's like, I'm sorry. This is why I said, no, motherfuckers. Like.
- [52:52]
Julie Goldman
And they were like, okay, we don't need you, so no, we're not going to pay you. And they didn't, did she? I thought there was one where she defended Tyra, too.
- [53:01]
Heather McDonald
This is the only one I saw is that she's just like, I don't, you know, they didn't pay the other girls.
- [53:05]
Julie Goldman
Again, that's just classic. You're now doing the documentary about how they were exploiting and exploiting them for a second time.
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Heather McDonald
What she was saying.
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Brandi Howard
Yeah.
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Julie Goldman
And also that's why you didn't make it in modeling, because you're not savvy enough. Not her, but them. Like, here you are again, just, you know, being a free bitch. Thirst bucket said, with all respect, with.
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Heather McDonald
All respect, with all due respect, with all. Love Story started and it's three episodes are out. It's on FX and Hulu and so you can watch the three episodes. And it's about JFK Jr and Caroline and their seven year, you know, when they fell in love, got married, and when they sadly died in the plane crash with her sister. And Naomi Watts plays Jackie O. His mother and she has the voice down, the whispery voice very well. And then this girl is playing Daryl Hannah. Cause he had a long relationship with Daryl Hannah. And she comes off really annoying. Daryl Hannah's character. And I think the girl playing her kind of is a good actress for it. But she doesn't look like her.
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Julie Goldman
But she sounds like.
- [54:14]
Heather McDonald
I guess she's Meryl Hemingway's daughter.
- [54:16]
Julie Goldman
Oh, I didn't know that. Wow, she sounds exactly like Daryl Hannah. She's really talented.
- [54:23]
Brandi Howard
Well, not for nothing, Daryl Hannah is also annoying.
- [54:26]
Heather McDonald
She. That's what.
- [54:26]
Brandi Howard
So then.
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Heather McDonald
So people were like, what? So some people. Some people were reporting on it, going, did someone in the world of Ryan Murphy, like, hate Daryl Hannah? And wanted to just show her in the most annoying light? Because you're like, he's so annoyed with you. Like, get a hint. He doesn't like you. Stop showing up. And you're like. And so. But then when you really look at, like, Daryl Hannah during, like, an interview with Jay Leno or something, she does act the way this girl's portraying her. And so she's just. She'll be like, hi, John. Give him a big hug. I'm here because your mom died. I wanted to be here. And he's like, why are you here? We haven't talked in three months. Well, I mean, hi, everyone. I'm here with John again. And he's like, what? Like, I don't like you. Why are you showing up to the funeral? Like, I haven't talked to you in three months. I like this other girl, Caroline. Leave me the fuck alone. So it's. I'm thoroughly entertained. Some parts, I think are a little slow. Not for me, but I wonder if it's a little slow for other people.
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Brandi Howard
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, I thought it was.
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Julie Goldman
I mean, I'm invested because, I mean, I, like, I'm obsessed with them just like everyone else. And I am a sucker for when, like, the casting is spot on. So in Straight Outta Compton, you know, Ice Cube's son plays him. And it is like, thank God someone in here looks exactly like Ice Cube. Yeah, in the Brady Bunch movie. That bitch who married Ben Stiller. I wouldn't have made it through the Brady Bunch movie. And I went to Brady Bunch, too, at the theater, because I was so obsessed with how she looked. Just like Marcia.
- [55:58]
Brandi Howard
Unreal.
- [55:58]
Julie Goldman
So in this case, it's like, they cast this guy, and it is. The guy is unreal down to the shape of his literal nipples. I'm like this. I can't believe this guy's body. The best match exactly like him. Everything, it is crazy. Now. The only thing is, is like, his voice. I like, googled, did JFK Jr have a lisp? Because I was like, it's not strong. There's just something in his speech. And I was like, is he that good of an actor that he's putting on a voice? But it doesn't matter. Ryan Murphy's doing shots of him working out from far away. And I'm like, literally, my mind's exploding. I'm like, it looks exactly like jfk. I cannot believe it.
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Heather McDonald
No, I remember the scene of after his mother dies and he comes out to give the speech. And I remember how he said she was surrounded by her friends, her family, and her books. I always remember that it was her books. Cause she was an editor of books. And like, you know, and I felt that is exactly how I remember it. This is exact. Like, this is exact. So in speaking of that, the big scene, this girl, Shannon Hill News, she reminded us that there was a actual moment where they caught them fighting. They had a very tumultuous relationship, which added to the paparazzi following.
- [57:17]
Julie Goldman
I watched like 20 hours of it during the show. I was like, I had to go back and look at the fight. Cause we haven't even seen the fight yet on the show.
- [57:23]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, the fight is coming up and they get in this fight, like in Washington Square Park. Yes. And so some paparazzi was following him that day because it was like some memorable day or something. And so they just thought, oh, maybe whatever. They were always following him. And they catch the whole thing on fighting, which is like a. Gets a little physical on both of their parts. And like, it looks like she takes off the ring, or he takes the ring from her and they're engaged. And they're the. The dog. They have the dog with them and they're yelling at each other, then they're hugging each other. And it just goes to show you, and I truly believe that Caroline was that girl that just could mind fuck a guy like no one else. And it's a talent I have never been blessed with. And there are certain girls, they are not necessarily the most perfect looking. They might not even be the best in the sack, though I would predict she's pretty good.
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Julie Goldman
Yeah, but it's more of like, come.
- [58:19]
Heather McDonald
Here now go away. Come here now Go away now Watch me walk away now. Like, I don't know. They know how to do to hook a dumb guy with their Venus Trap vagina, but also with their mind. They're so Confused that they're like, what do I do? And you see John just sitting. The real John just sat down on, like, a dirty street corner in New York and just, like, was like, I. Does this girl want to be with me? Does she love me? Does she not? Like, I could have anybody, but, like, I'm so confused.
- [58:51]
Julie Goldman
And then we know that 99% of the. Of the show is, like, made up. So they're gonna tell us what the fight was about, but we don't know if that. We don't really know if that's how they met.
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Heather McDonald
Well, it's based on, like, a lot of books, but a lot of the.
- [59:04]
Julie Goldman
Books do not say.
- [59:06]
Heather McDonald
They never know.
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Julie Goldman
Yeah. So we're. There's, like, speculation. Yeah, speculation. So the whole. That's the whole thing with the show is I'm not a huge Ryan Murphy fan in general, too. So I'm, like, filling in the pieces myself, just like, you know, any. Anyone should do while they're watching it. And you have to make your own choice, but I'm even obsessed with Jackie O and, like, should we call Aunt Lee? And then remember when we all watched the Swans and we learned on the Swans, also Ryan Murphy, that Jackie stole Onassis from Lee.
- [59:38]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [59:39]
Julie Goldman
And so I'm like, totally. Like, I wish I was watching it in conjunction with the Swans for that.
- [59:44]
Heather McDonald
So that's so good.
- [59:44]
Julie Goldman
Yes, so good.
- [59:46]
Heather McDonald
Now they show his cousin, who is Lee's son, who is Anthony, who was married. Were. Was married until, sadly, his death. He died of cancer. I believe it was cancer. But he was married to Carol Radzell. Radziwell from Real Housewives of New York. And when this was happening, I said, I wonder if they'll get someone to play you. And she goes, no, no, I don't even think we'll be a part of it. I go, definitely, your husband's going to be a part of it. And I go, just watch. There'll just be one small part, like, somewhere where it's just a little glimpse of, oh, hey, Car. You know, hey, Carol. And it'll be some brunette with, like, a wide smile. And just. I'm just tell. We haven't seen her yet. But I'm telling you, I would not be surprised if there's just one tiny little. Because he likes to do that. Like how he had. Even in the O.J. thing, he had, like, the little Kardashian girls, even though they weren't part of it. Like, in one scene going, hi, Daddy. You know, like, just. Just so everyone at home Is like, extra invested. And so we'll see.
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Julie Goldman
Were they on the. On their way to Carol's wedding?
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Heather McDonald
On that he had already passed. Carol's husband. Carol Radzell's husband had already passed when the three of the. The plane went down.
- [61:01]
Julie Goldman
Okay. That scene, though, Julie, you should watch. Cause it's the very beginning.
- [61:05]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [61:06]
Julie Goldman
And that was a good way to hook it. I kind of like how the narrative switches around, how they'll just be like another episode will start and they'll just. It just starts in the middle of just walking in a park. And you're just like, well, where. And I do like that about it. But to start out with that scene of the plane, I thought that was like.
- [61:26]
Brandi Howard
I mean, you guys are making it sound very.
- [61:28]
Heather McDonald
It's really good. And for someone that, like, lived that time, it. It's like nostalgic and kind of make like, of when I was single and when I thought I could, like, marry JFK Jr. If he just met me.
- [61:40]
Julie Goldman
It's all 90s music, too. Every piece of music is, like, from that exact moment in time.
- [61:45]
Brandi Howard
Well, I will say.
- [61:46]
Heather McDonald
Sorry, Go ahead.
- [61:47]
Brandi Howard
No, I just. So I. I was a huge fan of his magazine.
- [61:53]
Heather McDonald
And you were the only one.
- [61:55]
Brandi Howard
Yes. And I got.
- [61:56]
Heather McDonald
Because it was a political magazine called George.
- [61:58]
Brandi Howard
And I loved it and I thought it was.
- [61:59]
Heather McDonald
It would do, like, real pieces on senators and Congress people and the actual bills they were doing.
- [62:04]
Brandi Howard
Right.
- [62:05]
Heather McDonald
Which is such a noble idea. And we should care. But nobody cared.
- [62:09]
Brandi Howard
I did. And I want you to know that I cared. And I got the first. And I wish. But, you know, our house burned down, so I lost all the magazines, but I kept every one of them.
- [62:18]
Heather McDonald
So you had the one of Cindy Crawford dressed in George in a crop top.
- [62:21]
Brandi Howard
Yes. And I had. I had every.
- [62:23]
Heather McDonald
Ladies and gentlemen, meet George. I had seen.
- [62:26]
Julie Goldman
Oh, God, it would be so. Worth so much money now. Plus, he lived in New York. When he was riding around on his bike, like, shirtless and shit.
- [62:31]
Brandi Howard
I had every single one of those mat magazines. And they don't. And if he were around today, I don't know. But he really, truly did make politics sexy. And he was the only one in the video. And that magazine was cool on the.
- [62:45]
Julie Goldman
Way to the plane.
- [62:45]
Brandi Howard
Right.
- [62:46]
Heather McDonald
But the magazine was going under.
- [62:48]
Brandi Howard
I know, but it was. It was good.
- [62:49]
Julie Goldman
I thought it was already done. But on the way to the plane, he's like, there. He's talking about. He's in a fight with. With Carolyn. To her sister.
- [62:57]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [62:58]
Julie Goldman
Who not for nothing, he also killed. So the Parents lost two children. But he's like, telling the sister about this fight, and he's like, God, all I did was invite her to a wedding. It's not like I'm making her go to the Democratic National Convention. And I was like, I know what that is now. And definitely at the time this happened, I had no idea what that would have meant.
- [63:20]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. So weird.
- [63:22]
Brandi Howard
Now you deeply know. Look at you.
- [63:23]
Heather McDonald
You've all grown up as a true adult that you are. Okay, let's talk about some Epstein stuff that is very interesting. So Ghislaine. Ghislaine, whatever you wanna call her, we call her Ghislaine. I call her Ghislaine, too. Okay. Ghislaine is in prison now. She did have a prison move. Okay. Since she's been incarcerated, I think she's sentenced to 20 years. She's been there for five now or something. She was moved to, like, a better prison.
- [63:58]
Julie Goldman
They call it a camp.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. And so she. They show her in her. Her tan outfit with glasses, saying, I won't answer any questions. I take the fifth, or whatever she's gonna say. And they show that Ghislaine's not talking about the files. She's not giving up names. She's not gonna talk. So we're like, well, that's a waste. So then people, this one guy, Eric Mount. Sos. Eric. How would you say that? Yeah, Eric Mutsos. He goes, hey, look, this isn't her.
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Julie Goldman
So watch your back, Eric.
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Heather McDonald
The nose is completely different. The eye shape appears to be different, but the nose is really different. And your nose doesn't change like that. You don't get a nose job either to get your nose bigger. And when she entered the prison, she had, like, a long bob.
- [64:50]
Julie Goldman
That's what I said.
- [64:51]
Heather McDonald
And now she's got the hair that we're used to seeing her in and all the photos. So it's a wig. It's somebody else.
- [64:58]
Julie Goldman
It's a wig. It's a wig. Cause I look somebody else. I looked at her old. When she had that short hair. She had that many times. Her bangs are so, so specific. Like, she has great hair. She looks great with short hair. And there's no way. First of all, it's so dark. I know they can dye your hair in prison, but if you guys aren't watching this on YouTube, what did you Google? Because I told Julie didn't know about it. And I was like. Honestly, I was, like, aroused to be able to tell her. I was like, you're not going to fudgeing Believe this. And then. So what did you Google? Like side by side Googled?
- [65:29]
Brandi Howard
Yeah, it was Ghislaine Maxwell. Prison compare.
- [65:33]
Julie Goldman
Okay. Old photo so you can see.
- [65:34]
Brandi Howard
So you can see.
- [65:35]
Julie Goldman
We're talking about. If you're not watching this on YouTube. But I was looking. She would. There's no way. I truly believe in my heart that you're in prison. You're in the jumpsuit, you're. You're only going to be able to dye your hair. You're going to have a few grays, whatever. I just don't believe there's any way she'd get rid of that long hair. When she can't wear makeup, she can't do anything glamorous. Now she's going to go back to the short hair and it's not even going to look cute when she can rock a short hair like no one's business.
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Heather McDonald
What do I think? I think they moved. They got rid of when she moved to prison. She's somewhere living. Maybe not a lavish life, but a free life somewhere. Maybe then they gave her plastic surgery Epstein in those files. Also, you know his girlfriend was a dentist. He. He. One of his girlfriends. He got to become a dentist. Why There's a dentist chair there. Also there's an email where there's like all these teeth from India being sent to him. So do you think that he maybe knew that at one time he might have to fake his death and need all new dental teeth records? That's the one thing you can't.
- [66:39]
Brandi Howard
Well, they did have some weird kinks too.
- [66:42]
Heather McDonald
True. It could be a kink thing, it could be both, but.
- [66:44]
Brandi Howard
Both.
- [66:45]
Julie Goldman
I know exactly what you thought.
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Heather McDonald
The person is that spoke is not her, in my opinion.
- [66:49]
Julie Goldman
And I thought exactly you. When they moved her, that was when the switch was made. And they keep on showing us like, like this like time lapse of her in her room, like going from the bed and going to do. It's like I'm like, why bother? It's like just overselling this. You're. We don't. Yeah, we don't get to see Jen Shaw, you know, like in there doing her before she got released or Elizabeth Holmes. Why do we need to see like they. They want. They keep trying to like prove she's in there so hard.
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Heather McDonald
I forgot. Jen Shaw's out.
- [67:20]
Julie Goldman
She's out.
- [67:21]
Heather McDonald
What is she doing?
- [67:23]
Julie Goldman
She's going to lunch with Karen Huger.
- [67:25]
Heather McDonald
Oh, really?
- [67:26]
Julie Goldman
No.
- [67:26]
Brandi Howard
Oh, I wish she was.
- [67:28]
Heather McDonald
Here's a close up.
- [67:30]
Brandi Howard
The nose. The nose sent me the nose.
- [67:33]
Julie Goldman
I'm gonna say the eyes and eyebrows, though, are pretty good.
- [67:37]
Heather McDonald
But the nose are totally different, though.
- [67:39]
Brandi Howard
I will say the eyes are different.
- [67:41]
Julie Goldman
Okay.
- [67:41]
Heather McDonald
Eyes are different.
- [67:42]
Brandi Howard
Look at this.
- [67:42]
Heather McDonald
Look at this one on the left. It's like a bigger one.
- [67:46]
Brandi Howard
Well, just Lane's. What side?
- [67:48]
Julie Goldman
More hooded, too.
- [67:49]
Brandi Howard
Yeah, this is the left side is slanted. That lady's eyes are not slanted.
- [67:55]
Heather McDonald
Also, this.
- [67:56]
Brandi Howard
You know what I mean?
- [67:57]
Heather McDonald
Like the real photo of Ghislaine, the eyes are hooded, and then they're less hooded as she aged. That never happens. It doesn't go backwards. Just like your nose doesn't get shorter and fatter. It would get longer.
- [68:11]
Brandi Howard
Do you think she's alive or do you think they killed her?
- [68:14]
Heather McDonald
I think she's alive.
- [68:15]
Brandi Howard
And do you think she's with Jeffrey Epstein? Is he alive or did they. You know what I mean? Are they just living on the island? And that's why no one's allowed there.
- [68:23]
Julie Goldman
Because if.
- [68:23]
Heather McDonald
I don't know if Jeffrey Epstein's alive or not. But I. I just. I think that she is.
- [68:29]
Brandi Howard
That's.
- [68:29]
Julie Goldman
Well, I will say in terms of that, that I always.
- [68:31]
Heather McDonald
So that she won't ever tell.
- [68:33]
Julie Goldman
With Epstein, I say, too, they show. They showed his, like, body coming out with partially of his face, which you can look back on history, they've never done that again. It's like, whether that you got a mask made, whether it's someone else, it's like, why are you.
- [68:48]
Heather McDonald
I mean, I've seen. I've seen these masks. Like, they're. They're incredible.
- [68:53]
Julie Goldman
Yeah.
- [68:53]
Heather McDonald
The mask that you can put on, like, now, honestly, if we were to do, you know, white chicks again, that. I don't even think they have to do the prosthetics and the makeup. I think they could do one of these masks and. And not have to suffer like that. And it could still sort of look like the guys underneath, but they could. I mean, so I'm like. So I don't even think they put a mask on someone. I mean, I think that should put.
- [69:19]
Julie Goldman
A mask on a person in the CIA.
- [69:22]
Brandi Howard
Yeah.
- [69:22]
Heather McDonald
Who?
- [69:22]
Julie Goldman
They're like, you know, they have their jobs and they have to keep secrets. And it's like, this is going to be your job. And. And the person's probably like, well, I'm not going to that prison. And they're like, okay, well, you can go to the camp in Texas, and then this will be your job, and.
- [69:36]
Heather McDonald
It'Ll be in a private cell and.
- [69:37]
Julie Goldman
Whatever, and we're gonna get you your money.
- [69:39]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [69:39]
Julie Goldman
Through your whole thing. And then if they can get her, you know, if Trump pardons her or whatever and gets her out, then at that point maybe they will bring out the real Ghislaine and then this woman gets to go back to working for the CIA. I don't know. But I think Ghislaine is alive.
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Heather McDonald
I do too. There's this other girl that was a big trafficker with Epstein. A pretty blonde that is all over the thing and got girls and recruited girls and everything. And she was also allegedly a pilot, though they don't know if she. She'd wear like a pilot outfit. I don't know if she was really of the Lolita Express. Anyway, the Internet seemed to have found her and she's a monk. She's. Or in some Buddhist thing. You can see the nose. I cut that off. But it appears that she is living her life now at like some Buddhist place. Allegedly.
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Brandi Howard
I mean if that's where you're gonna. The, you know, the. The even Sister act and Sister Act. Yeah, one and two and Sister act one and two. Where are you gonna put someone? You put. Yeah. You put them in a convent.
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Heather McDonald
So Whoopi went on the View to say she is in the files. But it was just, you know, like, you know, a mention of like, oh, we need a plane for something for Whoopi to go someplace. Can you use your plane?
- [71:00]
Brandi Howard
I mean, it's kind of smart of.
- [71:02]
Heather McDonald
Her to bring it up. Like don't throw me in this. Cause they mentioned me.
- [71:05]
Brandi Howard
But like Tom Hanks and I mean there's gonna be a lot of people named that are he.
- [71:10]
Heather McDonald
We need to rail the world. There's enough. There's enough right now of real names of people we know.
- [71:16]
Brandi Howard
Right?
- [71:16]
Heather McDonald
From professors to people in business and even some people to the presidency. Yes. That their real name is tied to a real accuser. Accuser. A real horrible email that's talking about one year old babies. And I loved torturing her. Thank God I didn't kill her. Type of stuff with real people, like they didn't redress and easily.
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Brandi Howard
Speaking of the 1.
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Heather McDonald
What do they call it?
- [71:45]
Brandi Howard
No, redact.
- [71:46]
Heather McDonald
Redact. They did. It's like, why are you not doing anything?
- [71:48]
Brandi Howard
The professor who told him how the babies could suckle harder is still at ucla.
- [71:54]
Heather McDonald
I thought they did get rid of him.
- [71:56]
Brandi Howard
He technically can work out his. The rest of his year. So he's fired. But he's still there. He's on the website. You can contact the office.
- [72:04]
Heather McDonald
I mean, I can't. What are we doing?
- [72:06]
Brandi Howard
Honestly, what are we doing?
- [72:07]
Heather McDonald
I just feel like it's like, I think they're trying. I think they dumped this on our lap. And everyone in the Internet, every podcast or every tiktoker, everybody to just like figure it out. And then they're like, oh, by the way, all that work that you do, it doesn't go towards the grade. Okay. This was all a big waste. It's just. You're gonna forget about it in a couple weeks along with Nancy Guthrie, and you're gonna move on to aliens again. I don't know. But I'm just like, what do you. So are we just supposed to go. Well, at least. Well, at least that guy didn't eat the babies.
- [72:37]
Brandi Howard
Exactly. And that's what they are trying to do. Megyn Kelly. Like, they're trying to do that.
- [72:42]
Heather McDonald
So they liked messing around with kids.
- [72:46]
Brandi Howard
At least they were 16.
- [72:48]
Heather McDonald
Like, but yeah. Or even. Or even if they weren't 16, all of that is. They had a strict diet. So we know for a fact that Congressman blah blah, blah never ate them.
- [73:01]
Julie Goldman
Because he's a vegan.
- [73:02]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [73:04]
Julie Goldman
So we at least know that.
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Heather McDonald
And what, billionaire in person? First of all, I've never written about pizza or grape soda. And if I got invited to any celebrity's house or any rich person and they only served pizza, I'd be fucking pissed. I'd be like, what? Every time I've gone to rich person's house to it's caviar, it's catered, it's a wine pairing, and this is all they want. Like, you can't tell me that that's not something. You just can't tell me that's not something.
- [73:31]
Brandi Howard
At this point we don't. It's so beyond anything we could have ever imagined. I mean, my hope is that because.
- [73:38]
Heather McDonald
So many visuals, how could they eat all that pizza? All this thin pizza?
- [73:41]
Brandi Howard
A lot of people.
- [73:42]
Heather McDonald
Plus they have all cream cheese, a lot of carbs. So they're eating cream cheese. Yeah. Because the most fattening thing ever.
- [73:48]
Brandi Howard
Cause it's from the babies. Uh huh.
- [73:50]
Heather McDonald
And pizz all the time. And grape soda, which is terrible.
- [73:53]
Brandi Howard
Get diabetes.
- [73:54]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [73:55]
Brandi Howard
Like, even though I do love grape soda and pizza and grapes. But I'm hoping that because of so many visuals, there are so many disturbing, horrific videos and pictures that people from the Internet politicians to the Internet sleuths are suffering through that. I don't know that there's gonna be. I don't know that this might be the time where something happens. It's not happening now. But how Many.
- [74:27]
Heather McDonald
No, because we have to put all of our attention towards Nancy Guthrie.
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Brandi Howard
Well, they're trying it, but at the same time, it's also slowly coming out. Like, these people are like, I looked at these pictures. I'm a changed person. I don't know how to sleep again. And it's like, you know what I mean? People are looking at things that we're talking about, and we can only try and make, you know, to try and live. But they're looking at it and videos of it, Children screaming and being murdered and arred and all this stuff. And then they're coming and they're talking about it. I don't know that there's. There's something has to happen, and it's fine.
- [75:03]
Heather McDonald
Like, don't. Don't go and look yourself, but also don't act like what we're saying is not real, because it is.
- [75:11]
Brandi Howard
That's exactly right.
- [75:12]
Heather McDonald
It is real. It is real. You don't have to, like, just. So I'll try to talk about it a little bit. I'm not gonna not talk about it, but like, no, I don't want you to have to go through, like, I don't want anyone to go down the work.
- [75:23]
Brandi Howard
No.
- [75:24]
Heather McDonald
But I also want to thank the people that are doing the work, that are, like, putting this together with, like, solid evidence that are going through the things.
- [75:31]
Julie Goldman
All right.
- [75:31]
Heather McDonald
So also, I still think it's really weird that Ellen's set looked just like the temple on Epstein island, and we never thought about it. And of course, there's a temple on the island too, and whatever, you know, and all the people that have ties to all of this that had weird suicides.
- [75:51]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, that's from.
- [75:52]
Heather McDonald
That's a whole. What was his name Twist. That was his date. What was the guy that. That.
- [75:56]
Julie Goldman
Oh, yeah, the dj.
- [75:59]
Brandi Howard
Oh, that's right.
- [76:02]
Julie Goldman
Even the. And then the guy who was with. With. With Tom sandoval in Charles McMansion. They did to tip girl. Lala's in the video. Ariana. That was when Julia and I worked on the Vanderpump after show. His partner in Charles McMansion also was investigating, and he was talking a lot about Tom Hanks, but he definitely had an in on the Epstein files. And he had a very mysterious suicide. Oliver.
- [76:32]
Heather McDonald
What about.
- [76:33]
Julie Goldman
No, maybe that's not his name.
- [76:35]
Heather McDonald
What about the two. What about the DJ Aventi or something? He had a Avicii. He had a video that actually showed kids running away from an island and jumping, like, off a cliff. And he was working, allegedly on A movie about child trafficking with the two other guys that wrote that song about. Oh God, I can't think, I can't sing it right now. But that song about, about they put the, and the, and the, and oh God. And the waiting with their mouths open and like there's a song about like babies and blood and all of it. And then even the video of We don't need no Education. That video shows babies falling into a meat grinder. And that's like 70s children. Children with mask on going into a meat grinder. Like everything, it's like there's so much. So when people say, like, Heather, you're losing your mind. I'm sorry, but there's so many things. So those four people, those two musicians that got together and sang, they both had weird deaths or ended their lives. Supposedly. Anthony Bourdain was also involved in this particular movie about children. So that all went away.
- [77:56]
Julie Goldman
Anthony Bourdain was 100% on the Harvey Weinstein thing when he.
- [78:00]
Heather McDonald
But he had that girlfriend, Asia, who was one of the me too people. But then also she had dated a 16 year old boy when she was 30.
- [78:08]
Julie Goldman
Yes.
- [78:09]
Heather McDonald
Who was an actor that she did a show with.
- [78:13]
Julie Goldman
There's a lot of.
- [78:14]
Heather McDonald
So I'm like, she was an accuser, but then she was a victim. But then she was a perpetrator and like. And that was her boyfriend. And then in the middle of shooting, he ends his life.
- [78:22]
Brandi Howard
Oh my God.
- [78:23]
Heather McDonald
Anyway, Ellen, it's just a little too coincidental. It's bizarre.
- [78:28]
Brandi Howard
I mean, online.
- [78:30]
Julie Goldman
Allegedly.
- [78:30]
Heather McDonald
Allegedly.
- [78:31]
Julie Goldman
Allegedly.
- [78:32]
Heather McDonald
All right, let's, let's lighten it up a little and talk about Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. How are you feeling about the season, girls?
- [78:41]
Brandi Howard
The entire season, as we know, is about manifesting. And it's, you know, as you've started your own successful manifesting business.
- [78:51]
Heather McDonald
Yes, manifesting, mama.
- [78:53]
Brandi Howard
Which has really been inspiring for us because we've been manifesting too. It's just like I don't know everything about it. It's like we watch it and I think like, God, they're so rich. And then I go, how do we get rich? And then I realized, just like, think about it.
- [79:08]
Heather McDonald
Well, that's what I do with my business. That's what I, I can teach you that. Yeah. And some people would say, well, you shouldn't spend what you don't have. But paying off my student loans does not inspire me to live a better life. But this Chanel purse, it does. It does inspire me to want to buy more Chanel purses. So I tell my clients, after you've bought the series of how to Get Rich with me, which is 7500, but right now it's on sale for 7300. Once you do that, take your other credit card and go and manifest that purse. And then when you buy it, you manifested it. It's yours. You're driving it home because you thought of it, because you listened to it. Paying off a student loan doesn't do that.
- [79:57]
Brandi Howard
Paying off student loans just, like, so dumb. And the other thing is, I don't know if you've heard this, and I don't know if anyone's, you know, accused you, but they've accused Amanda of starting a fake fan page, which then goes and says all of the great things that they've learned from the courses.
- [80:22]
Heather McDonald
But apparently, I have seen all those posts. Like, I've seen things that are like, if someone criticizes her, someone's like, you don't know what you're talking about. She changed my life. And I'm like, okay. Like, what is the deal?
- [80:35]
Brandi Howard
The level, the grift? She's so tripling down. I can't. And I will say this. Thank God for Bose. Cause Bose is clock, click, clickety, clockety. It's fun to watch Clickety clocking her every second.
- [80:49]
Julie Goldman
From minute one.
- [80:50]
Brandi Howard
From minute one, she clocked it, but she's not letting it go. And I do appreciate it. Cause what Amanda's trying to do in every scene that she's in is trying to, like, move the needle and move the target and make it about, like, being a sultan at the dinner table. And it's like, you're not. Every single thing is a. She's just moving, moving and bozishes and having it, and it's great. And Rachel that sees it, too.
- [81:15]
Julie Goldman
That's what I manifested. I manifested Rachel Zell.
- [81:19]
Brandi Howard
Yeah.
- [81:20]
Heather McDonald
It's. She's so fun to watch. I love looking at her.
- [81:23]
Brandi Howard
Yes.
- [81:24]
Heather McDonald
I think she gives great advice. Yeah. I. I understand what she's saying about her marriage and why it ended and why, you know, she's like, yeah, sometimes we just want a vent. And if this is a reality show, I do think she chose to be on this reality show to fucking Barry Roger.
- [81:40]
Julie Goldman
Yeah.
- [81:41]
Heather McDonald
Because she was like, I can't do it alone on my Instagram, but if I'm doing it over drinks with girls, that's what I'd be doing. And I want people to know what a complete annoying dick he's been and that he totally changed and punished me for it for the last 10 years and took up with a young girl.
- [81:55]
Julie Goldman
And like you, her seething rage for Roger is getting me through the year. I mean, honestly. So I'll be thinking about the Epstein, and I'll be like, you know, let me just switch over to Rachel Zoe and how she hates Roger. And I'm like.
- [82:10]
Brandi Howard
And she's also, like, talks about how she doesn't like people being mean. Yeah, it's the. You know what I mean? Like, she does seem like a cool hang. Like, she seems like someone you want to hang out with.
- [82:20]
Heather McDonald
When I was hiking, doing my fun Palm Springs thing, there was this one woman, she was selling caftans, and I was like, oh, my God, I just want a caftan. This just brings me back to this era of time where I'm, like, smoking a cigarette and I'm like, I know my husband's fucking the secretary, but I don't care. I've got a casserole in the oven and I'm just going to look gorgeous and spend his last dollar. Like, she's so fun to watch. It's all so good.
- [82:47]
Julie Goldman
Yeah.
- [82:48]
Brandi Howard
The other thing about Amanda is that she is trying to also double down on social media by using the words that people are calling her and then trying to twist it. Like, look what this scam artist did with all the. With the fake manifesting. And it's just like, Manda. Amanda, Amanda.
- [83:07]
Julie Goldman
Now she's doing Kyle from Summer House.
- [83:10]
Brandi Howard
We see you. We see you.
- [83:13]
Heather McDonald
But, hey, I also say if you can create some masterclass, I mean, everybody, Oprah, Kris Jenner, they all do a masterclass.
- [83:22]
Brandi Howard
Yes.
- [83:22]
Heather McDonald
She so did Tony Robbins. She didn't invent the wheel. She took it and did make it successful. And if people bought it, just like people paid Teddi to have her scream at them.
- [83:33]
Brandi Howard
Same text, same thing.
- [83:35]
Heather McDonald
Like you. You know, then that's your. That is not a crime.
- [83:39]
Brandi Howard
It's not a crime. No, it's not. You're an asshole. But it's not a crime. And that is true. If you bought it, you take accountability and responsibility for it. Yeah, I do. And I do enjoy watching all of it.
- [83:52]
Heather McDonald
I mean, honestly, without Amanda, the show would have been really dull. As fun as Rachel Zoe is sometimes, I mean, it's truly like they're on a trip together. If you've ever been on a girl trip or something. And there's. I've only had it once happen in the last 10 years, but we were on a trip, a girls trip, and about 10 years ago, and there was, you know, one chick that just we had love for, but she annoyed the fuck out of us. And it really brought us together. And it was. Otherwise the trip would have been boring. The fun was, come take a walk with me. And then you'd bitch about her. And it's like. I feel like that's what we're watching and it's kind of bonding them. And it's. It's. It's not bad to watch.
- [84:32]
Brandi Howard
Agree.
- [84:33]
Julie Goldman
Julie and me on any of the trips.
- [84:34]
Heather McDonald
Never.
- [84:35]
Julie Goldman
This.
- [84:36]
Heather McDonald
This is before. This is literally 10 years ago. Like, 10 years ago.
- [84:39]
Brandi Howard
And.
- [84:40]
Heather McDonald
And it was just an okay trip. But honestly, that the most fun was like. Like bagging on the one girl that was being weird.
- [84:48]
Julie Goldman
Yeah.
- [84:48]
Heather McDonald
Like. Yeah.
- [84:49]
Julie Goldman
Well, Jennifer Tilly, if you're watching, and we know you are, get in touch with us. DM us. I didn't realize Jennifer Tilly was still just a friend. I know.
- [84:56]
Heather McDonald
How is she not? What? That's. Because this is the most gorgeous photo of all of them. I love all their outfits. I love their old 40s look. I can't believe we just can't have her in this photo.
- [85:06]
Julie Goldman
She. Yeah.
- [85:07]
Heather McDonald
Because she looks so perfect model or something.
- [85:09]
Julie Goldman
But she needs to be not just a friend. Maybe she's not even interested in being full time. But she brings a lot to it, too.
- [85:15]
Brandi Howard
She brings so much to it. Apparently she just did an episode of School Spirit High Spirits. It's Impairment Plus.
- [85:22]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [85:23]
Brandi Howard
It's a show about, like, this girl that dies in high school and then goes and investigates, like, death and stuff as, like, a dead person.
- [85:29]
Heather McDonald
I love it.
- [85:30]
Brandi Howard
So Jennifer Tilly just did an episode of that. But she's. Maybe that's why she wasn't around the last few episodes, because we've missed her.
- [85:35]
Julie Goldman
Give us a call. DM us. We have a proposition for you. And that is true. Might be sexual, but then maybe that. Maybe there's two propositions.
- [85:42]
Heather McDonald
There's definitely, definitely, definitely love. Brandi Glanville found out what happened to her face.
- [85:49]
Brandi Howard
Okay. What happened?
- [85:50]
Heather McDonald
So she had fake boobs. I don't know if they're silicone or saline, but according to what they think is that there was, like, leakage throughout that. And it got into the lymph nodes and went up to the face. She said, I still had a parasite, but this is really whatever. They got rid of it. They're taking care of it. She looks a lot better. And so that mystery has been solved. This mystery has not. Do you remember this girl? I think she goes by Conti Chanel. Oh, but it has a CV she brought up. I want to know what ha. What was the story? Do you remember like three years ago when that girl, pretty cute, pretty stylish girl on a plane freaked out saying that that person in the back is not real? They're like a shapeshift shifter is not humid. But then we never really heard from her again. She never said it was a joke. She never, like, I don't think that she went to like a 5150 situation. What was it now, in light, like.
- [86:59]
Julie Goldman
What happened to that girl at this point in 2026? I believe her. I know. You know? I do. When someone wins the lottery now, I'm just like, wow, someone from the future. I'd really love to meet them.
- [87:13]
Heather McDonald
Wait, what does that mean?
- [87:14]
Julie Goldman
Because they time traveled back and they knew the lotto numbers and it's like, oh, you got the 1 billion neat. It's a time traveler from the future who had all of the lotto numbers.
- [87:23]
Heather McDonald
You know how people say, why is it that we all remember like the Monopoly guy having a monocle, but he doesn't? Or. Or Curious George having tail, But. But then we.
- [87:31]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, like the Mandela effect.
- [87:33]
Heather McDonald
Even if you go to like your old book from your childhood, you open it up and. And George doesn't have a tail or the monocle thing. He says. And it is. It is a weird time travel. I don't know. They can't really be explained. But it. There is no way to explain why. And it's like the Bernstein bears. And it's all these things that we like.
- [87:56]
Julie Goldman
Yep.
- [87:57]
Heather McDonald
That you remember. Okay, Bernstein bears. How do they spell it in your head?
- [88:01]
Brandi Howard
Okay.
- [88:02]
Heather McDonald
B E or beresteyn or whatever it's called. Berestein birds. How do they spell steen?
- [88:07]
Brandi Howard
Like if it's Berenstein. E, A R, N, S T E.
- [88:11]
Heather McDonald
I N. No, it was the end of the word was spelled. S T A I N stain.
- [88:19]
Brandi Howard
Yes, Berenstain. Really? Because that would be too Jewish if it was Berenstein. How is it like, I didn't.
- [88:28]
Heather McDonald
I. I mean, if I find this thing, I will.
- [88:32]
Julie Goldman
The monocle blows your mind.
- [88:33]
Heather McDonald
There's like 10 things that you. One is a curious George with a tail. He didn't have a tail.
- [88:40]
Julie Goldman
Yes. And semonical is the main one.
- [88:42]
Heather McDonald
The Looney Tunes. How do you remember Looney Tunes being spelled?
- [88:47]
Julie Goldman
L O O N E Y T U N E S T O O Tunes.
- [88:53]
Heather McDonald
That's correct.
- [88:54]
Brandi Howard
Wait, no, it's not. T O O N S. That's what.
- [88:57]
Heather McDonald
Most people think, but it is T U N E S. What is it? Yeah, it is. Oh.
- [89:03]
Julie Goldman
Why wouldn't they do tunes like T O O N S?
- [89:06]
Heather McDonald
But you were right. You're right, though.
- [89:07]
Julie Goldman
I know, but still then I thought that didn't even make sense.
- [89:09]
Brandi Howard
So it's Looney Tunes. Yeah, but not Looney Tunes. Everything that's in my mind is wrong. What's with Froot Loops?
- [89:19]
Heather McDonald
I can't remember what the Froot Loops one is.
- [89:22]
Brandi Howard
Froot Loops.
- [89:23]
Julie Goldman
There's that other thing. That's that Mandela effect. So there's the other thing where they put. This is a real, like, experiment they did. They took all these people in a room, like in a classroom. So you're sitting at a desk, they're adults, and they give you this super, super hard, like, crossword puzzle. And nobody could. Could get it and just nobody could complete it. They went outside the door and they posted all of the answers outside the door. And then one by one, they all started to get it. Like the first person. It's like the answers were in the air. And then once the first person then gets it and leaves.
- [90:01]
Heather McDonald
But they didn't see it.
- [90:02]
Julie Goldman
Nope. It just. Once they were there and acknowledged into the atmosphere. And then once one person had it, then, like, the next person gets it from them and gets it and they just all start to do it one by one.
- [90:12]
Heather McDonald
That's exactly what I'm talking about. They manifested the answers. I mean, I do believe in manifesting. I do believe in putting it out there. There's nothing wrong with it.
- [90:20]
Julie Goldman
No.
- [90:21]
Heather McDonald
So it's like. And she manifested that she'd be rich as fuck. And she got rich as fuck. She was able to buy an expensive house. She was able to buy her Chanel bags. She's doing fine. She doesn't appear to be in debt. She got to be on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She wanted to be famous. She's famous. Might not be the kind of fame she wanted, but if people are still kind of curious and like, going, I'll do her course. Let's just see what happens. I mean, women are just so desperate for any kind of like, yeah, quick fix to love or whatever.
- [90:53]
Julie Goldman
I will do a little warning, though, for people now. You are a very strong manifester. And the last time we were with you from golfing on, you pretty much manifested. You were manifesting birds out of the sky.
- [91:08]
Brandi Howard
Yeah.
- [91:09]
Julie Goldman
Deer families.
- [91:10]
Brandi Howard
Yeah.
- [91:10]
Julie Goldman
But then it's like, you know, then you start to depend on the manifester. And this is why, you know, people turn on Amanda. You start to depend on the manifester to manifest what you want them to. And then at the end of the night, it's like. Well, I mean, you know, we were trying to get, you know, we went.
- [91:27]
Heather McDonald
To dinner and we were manifesting, like, something fun to happen. And nothing did.
- [91:31]
Julie Goldman
No.
- [91:32]
Heather McDonald
And I was like, why didn't we even go out to dinner? Yeah, I should have totally stayed home.
- [91:35]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, we were manifesting anything just exciting. Some kind of. Maybe we just weren't specific enough.
- [91:41]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, so happy in my life. I'm not asking for anything. Sometimes you are not even asking for anything.
- [91:48]
Julie Goldman
And you have to be specific.
- [91:50]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, she just.
- [91:51]
Brandi Howard
You okay, I'll stop piling onto a man.
- [91:54]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, please.
- [91:54]
Brandi Howard
But I just.
- [91:56]
Heather McDonald
But anyway, girls, let me see if there's anything else. Okay. What do you think we'll end on this? So yesterday, Michael Jordan, I guess he owns the car, but the. The race car driver's family won or something. And the kid. So they want some big thing together. Michael Jordan. Yeah. And the kid was right next to him. And Michael Jordan at the time that they won, grabbed his butt. He couldn't have been. He's not even 10. He's probably like 9. Grabbed his butt a bunch of times. Squeezed his little tush to get his attention because they won, like, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then like touched his bare leg. Cause he was wearing shorts. And it went viral. They've talked to the dad of him and he's like, I. I've known Michael Jordan's family for years. We're all really good friends. I. I don't think there's anything nefarious going on. I understand why people might see it that way. I just don't. We're all good. What is your opinion?
- [92:57]
Julie Goldman
Did you see it?
- [92:58]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [92:58]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, I didn't. I don't think there was anything nefarious going on. I will say, though, that I can only handle watching it, like, twice. It made me really uncomfortable. But with that said, I don't think he meant it that way.
- [93:15]
Brandi Howard
I don't know what he was thinking. I just don't know what he was thinking. Like, I guess if your family's close and you. I just don't know. I couldn't. I was like, what the.
- [93:24]
Heather McDonald
I mean, the only thing I can think of is. I remember, like, growing up, people would always be. There was something that they were. Like. I saw something, you know, where people were. Like, old people would, like, take a child's cheek and pinch their cheeks or whatever. And I remember we were gonna go, like, See some old relative of mine, and I'm like, I don't want them to pinch my cheek.
- [93:42]
Brandi Howard
Yep.
- [93:42]
Heather McDonald
And my mom's like, what? And I'm like, yeah, don't old people, like, pinch, like, fat cheeks or whatever? And so I do feel that there is something where someone is like, give me that tushy. Or, like, hugging them and, like, it's not sexual.
- [93:58]
Brandi Howard
Yes.
- [93:59]
Heather McDonald
You would think in this day and age, like, you would definitely be made aware of it and be a Keanu Reeves that, like, is like this. But maybe. Maybe he just hadn't ever thought of it. And he was, like, trying to get his attention, and he was just like. And chose to grab his butt cheek instead of, like, his shoulder.
- [94:17]
Julie Goldman
Right.
- [94:17]
Brandi Howard
There was, like, a little of a pulling of the shirt, too, which made me think, okay, well, maybe people are.
- [94:21]
Julie Goldman
Saying he had ice or water down his shirt because they had dumped an ice.
- [94:24]
Brandi Howard
There was something with his shirt that I was, like, not trying to just.
- [94:28]
Julie Goldman
They dumped it on the dad because of winning the race, and it was a huge race. Like, whatever it was.
- [94:33]
Brandi Howard
I thought that, too, though. Like, give me that tushy. But I don't think the. He just seemed like he was doing some dude with the shirt and then trying to get attention.
- [94:41]
Heather McDonald
I just remember my dad in church, he used to, like. Like to, like, take our little ears and, like, rub them like this.
- [94:49]
Julie Goldman
That's cute.
- [94:51]
Heather McDonald
But I didn't really like it.
- [94:53]
Julie Goldman
You know what I mean?
- [94:54]
Heather McDonald
Like, as a kid. No, that's the thing. It's like, you almost. I remember the first time I saw this thing, baby massage or whatever. And I, like, had this woman come to my house about how to give Drake a baby massage. Whatever. Something weird. And when she told me how to do the baby massage, I mean, it.
- [95:13]
Julie Goldman
Was literally a baby.
- [95:15]
Heather McDonald
She said, you're supposed to be like, even though it's a baby, may I touch you here? Well, I mean, he couldn't say yes or no. I don't know. I just feel like, hello. I feel like, massage your shoulders. I feel like it's such a weird place to be now it is your kid.
- [95:32]
Brandi Howard
Well, now it's a very weird place.
- [95:33]
Heather McDonald
To be and all of that. And I didn't hate it, but I hate my earlobe being touched. I don't think any kids do it.
- [95:42]
Brandi Howard
I don't know. I had that, too. I remember, I think a gr. Like, my butt being pinched a few times.
- [95:47]
Heather McDonald
She's like, get the.
- [95:49]
Brandi Howard
Like, I don't want you touching me. Yeah, but where? You know, just like anyone sees a baby, you want to kiss the cheeks.
- [95:55]
Heather McDonald
I do remember one time my mom was like trying to like grab Drake and like be silly with him. And I don't know why it stressed me out so much. But like, he was like, like, no, like kind of rude about whatever. And then I felt this weird thing. Like I. Wait. Be nice to my mom.
- [96:14]
Julie Goldman
Yeah.
- [96:15]
Heather McDonald
But I think it was cause she had like long nails and somehow she sort of like inadvertently scratched him. I remember it like yesterday. And I remember it being just a really weird place to be because I. He was being disrespectful. But then I was also like, understood where he was coming from. But I felt bad for my mom because she was like trying to connect. And I also knew like, how many years left do I have with my parents? Like, it was just. It's just a weird.
- [96:37]
Brandi Howard
It's weird.
- [96:38]
Heather McDonald
It's weird.
- [96:38]
Brandi Howard
Yeah, it's completely weird. And if it's not your own kid, though, I mean, at this point, it's not your own kid right now, in this moment, even if it's. If right now stop and go, you know what with everything in the world.
- [96:47]
Heather McDonald
And don't touch other people.
- [96:49]
Brandi Howard
Let's just not touch other people's kids. Let's just. I don't care if you.
- [96:53]
Heather McDonald
And be mindful of how you touch your own.
- [96:55]
Brandi Howard
And be mindful how you touch your own.
- [96:56]
Julie Goldman
Ask you if they. If you can give them a baby massage before you go. It's getting hot in heel. You made him take a foil.
- [97:04]
Heather McDonald
What she's talking about is that song was playing when Drake was little. And so every morning when I take him out of his little onesie or change him in his onesie, I would say it's. And I'd unsnap the thing. It's getting hot in here. Take off all your clothes. I am so hot. I gotta take my clothes off.
- [97:24]
Brandi Howard
And like, you know, and like he's.
- [97:26]
Julie Goldman
At this point doing a full strip tease.
- [97:28]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [97:28]
Julie Goldman
But we're asking if we can loves that song.
- [97:31]
Heather McDonald
Exactly.
- [97:31]
Julie Goldman
Right now we don't. We don't stop singing it to Drake.
- [97:34]
Heather McDonald
This is a sad day. Did we break the news to everybody? But there isn't any big news because you're still gonna get to see and get all your content of Brandon Julie. They'll just be doing it in different state while they do the theater arts.
- [97:52]
Julie Goldman
Nightmare on theaters.
- [97:54]
Heather McDonald
Explain everybody to everybody where. Where your show is going.
- [97:59]
Brandi Howard
Oh, all right. So we are leaving on Friday and going to Minneapolis to the Hollywood theater. For Nightmare on Strip street, where we will be doing it for a month. You can go to nightmarestripstreet.com and heathersott.
- [98:15]
Heather McDonald
You so fun. So good.
- [98:18]
Brandi Howard
And so we'll be in Minneapolis.
- [98:19]
Heather McDonald
You can take anybody. It's a little sexy, but nothing that like, too embarrassing for anybody, I don't think. Like, so you could take, you know, friends, husband.
- [98:31]
Brandi Howard
Yeah.
- [98:31]
Heather McDonald
You know, I think people should be 18, but. Yeah, but that's it.
- [98:36]
Julie Goldman
That is a rule.
- [98:36]
Brandi Howard
Oh, okay.
- [98:37]
Heather McDonald
But other than that, like, totally great.
- [98:39]
Brandi Howard
And especially for the people in Minneapolis right now, it's freezing cold and you've been through a lot of. So it's gonna be a very good, like, respite. Just fun.
- [98:47]
Heather McDonald
Great music, great dancing, great comedy.
- [98:49]
Brandi Howard
Just a good time. Just a good time for everyone.
- [98:52]
Heather McDonald
Yes.
- [98:52]
Julie Goldman
And if you like liberal politics, you can follow us. Dumb Gay politics podcast free everywhere. And then we also have a Patreon, if you don't wanna hear politics. Cause we don't do any politics there.
- [99:05]
Brandi Howard
On the Patreon, which we'll be doing from Minneapolis. So it'll be all of our travel episodes. Those are gonna be. So it should be pretty fun. I think we'll. And of course we'll miss you.
- [99:15]
Heather McDonald
I mean, maybe if there's time we can try to do something on a riverside or a zoom. Yeah, you guys are gonna be busy, but then when you come back, it's gonna be full on fun.
- [99:28]
Brandi Howard
Full on.
- [99:29]
Heather McDonald
Full on. Lizard rat fun.
- [99:31]
Brandi Howard
Full on.
- [99:32]
Heather McDonald
We have our show May 9th. Cause you're gonna come back at the end of March.
- [99:39]
Brandi Howard
Yeah. And then we're. Right away. We're gonna see you.
- [99:41]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [99:42]
Brandi Howard
Because we have a special.
- [99:44]
Heather McDonald
We have a special fun thing going on. Thing.
- [99:45]
Brandi Howard
We're doing a whole fun thing. We're doing non stop.
- [99:48]
Heather McDonald
We're gonna be. And then of course, follow them on Instagram. Say what are your. Both Instagram. If you have not followed yet. That that's criminal. Because you have gotten so much fun out of them. And they are very funny and very cool on their Instagram.
- [100:02]
Brandi Howard
So what is it we're trying.
- [100:04]
Julie Goldman
I'm at the Brandy Howard.
- [100:06]
Brandi Howard
I'm at Mr. Juliegoldman.
- [100:08]
Heather McDonald
And you can see all the things that she likes. Like the lesbian love Portia.
- [100:14]
Brandi Howard
I love it. I love it. I love it.
- [100:16]
Heather McDonald
And I'm@heathermcdall.net join my Patreon. And I will be in Salt Lake City, everybody. I will be in Salt Lake City. Four shows.
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Commercial Announcer
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- [100:29]
Brandi Howard
Are you gonna drink some dirty soda while you're there? I hope so.
- [100:32]
Heather McDonald
Oh, I'm gonna do. I don't even. Anyway, it's Salt Lake city. It is March 20 and 21, 6 and 8, 30. So early shows at the Wise Guys in downtown Salt Lake City. And it's gonna be fun and new shit and talking to you guys and gossiping and all the juicy fun that you get when you see Heather McDonald Live. Heathermcdonald.net or go to the Wise Guys site.
- [100:59]
Julie Goldman
It's always the best to go to heathermcdonald.net though, right?
- [101:02]
Heather McDonald
Yes, except it's not there right now.
- [101:04]
Julie Goldman
Yeah, just go there. Don't Google it, don't go through any kind of ticket place. Go straight from Heather. She gets you the best price. And you'll be. You'll be. Yeah, heather McDonald.net is where it's at.
- [101:14]
Heather McDonald
Thank you. Love you. Bye.
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