Brandy and Julie, Hollywood Divorces,Gay Husbands and Fake babies

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald – Episode Summary

Podcast: Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
Episode: Brandy and Julie, Hollywood Divorces, Gay Husbands and Fake Babies
Air Date: October 21, 2025
Guests: Brandi Howard & Julie Goldman
Location: The Battery, San Francisco

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Episode Overview

This lively San Francisco edition of Juicy Scoop features famed comedy duo and podcasters Brandi Howard and Julie Goldman (Dumb Gay Podcast). Heather, Brandi, and Julie gather in an exclusive hotel setting to spill the juiciest pop culture gossip and get frank about Hollywood scandal, reality TV drama, wild divorces, gay husbands, fake babies, and more. The episode weaves in personal stories from their travels and shows, engages deep dives into current events from Bravo and beyond, and features the trio’s signature candid, comedic analysis.

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Key Segments & Discussions

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1. San Francisco Edition, Live Shows, and Creative Energy

[02:00 – 06:36]

• The group is recording from The Battery in San Francisco, reflecting on their fabulous dinner and the posh, boutique hotel.
• Core reason for meeting: Brandi and Julie’s “Nightmare on Strip Street” live Halloween show (a hilarious, sexy, horror tribute) at the Great Star Theater, with Heather as a surprise on-stage guest.
• Heather discusses her own upcoming live show at MGM Grand, Vegas: late night, encourages BravoCon attendees to pace themselves for the 10pm slot.
• “All three of us are just like bugging on with weird creative energy.” – Julie Goldman [06:25]

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2. Britney Spears & Kevin Federline: Memoirs and Media

[06:37 – 11:20]

• Kevin Federline (K-Fed) has a book coming out—Heather wants him on the podcast and speculates about the timing and “right” to tell his story.
• “He definitely has a right to tell his story. But does that mean we’re into it?” – Julie [07:58]
• Britney’s social media rants, strained relationship with her sons, and rumors she’ll start her own podcast (“I might even start my own radio podcast.” – Britney, relayed by Heather [09:50]).
• Group doubts Britney’s consistency for podcasting: “It’s not going to continue if you’re not in the state of mind of being consecutive and consistent.” – Heather [10:12]
• Fun aside: “Britney-ween” is trending as a Halloween theme where guests dress in any Britney Spears era.

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3. Bravo Crimes: Real Housewives of Potomac & The Art of Fake Victimhood

[11:21 – 18:54]

• Potomac’s Dr. Wendy and husband face multiple felony counts for alleged jewelry insurance fraud.
• Critique of social posts (“Why wouldn’t you just do a flower or a family photo... But no, just me looking the most fabulous.” – Heather [13:00])
• The group rips on the “arrogance and gross entitlement” of portraying themselves as victims—while possibly committing the crime.
• “You made yourself a victim, and now we have to feel sorry for you when you committed the crime and you’re still doing it.” – Brandi [17:21]
• Reality TV fallout speculation: Next could be “Dancing With the Cons,” “The Traitors,” or “Special Forces.”

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4. Bravo Show Scandals & Fan Trauma Over Cancelled Programming

[18:55 – 21:20]

• Bravo’s “Ultimate Girls Trip: Morocco” cancellation prompts talk of staging a class action lawsuit: “We all might be entitled to $7 to $12.” – Heather [19:59]
• “No Morocco Day!” and calls to “Go protest that.” [20:36]
• Andy Cohen parodied as the remote-controlling censor.

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5. International Jewel Heists and Kim Kardashian’s (Alleged?) Faux Bush Underwear

[21:21 – 25:14]

• Dramatic real-life museum heist at the Louvre: jewels snatched “straight out of an Ocean’s Eleven movie.”
• Kim Kardashian’s emerald necklace–face mask look compared to the stolen jewels (just for marketing?).
• Wild speculation about her viral “faux bush” Skims underwear—a marketing stunt or real product? All sizes and colors sold out but no proof anyone has it.
• “Show me one person unboxing their fake pube thing and I’ll say I’m wrong, but now I think it was all a marketing thing…” – Heather [23:37]

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6. Housewives’ Fashion Faux Pas: Amsterdam & Confessional Makeup Mishaps

[32:08 – 36:02]

• OC housewives step out in Amsterdam in “ridiculous outfits”—cutouts, bruises, and wardrobe critique.
• “I’m done with the cut outs. It’s a wrap… take your leotard with tights and get out.” – Julie [33:23]
• Emily’s confessional look gets compared to Chyna the wrestler: “Who was the glam that did that look? Fire them!” – Heather [34:51]
• Team agrees: many housewives look better when they do their own makeup at home rather than with a professional “who secretly hates them.”

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7. Reality TV, Social Media, and Bad Breath Scandals

[40:26 – 46:37]

• Tamra Judge posts about a cast mate with “the worst breath ever”; Heather has a prophetic dream about being told she has bad breath.
• “You can't smell your own bad breath.” – Heather [41:05]
• Lisa Vanderpump, Stacy from Potomac, and others scrutinized for alleged halitosis—Andy Cohen even making it a joke on Watch What Happens Live.
• Julie: “I'm so insecure about it... that's why I only drink vodka!” [44:03]
• Product placement idea: “If I was being accused, I would work a campaign... laughing at it. Now I take these little mint things!” – Heather [46:05]

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8. Hollywood Divorces: Denise Richards/Aaron Phypers & Lori Loughlin/Mossimo

Denise Richards Divorce

[46:40 – 48:54]

• Breaks down the allegations of abuse, police records, and OnlyFans financial drama.
• Aaron demands half her OnlyFans income since he “took the photos.” Heather’s verdict: pay him for the photos, but “it's not like you sat down and wrote 12 seasons of Grey’s Anatomy together!” [48:19]

Lori Loughlin & Mossimo

[52:49 – 57:36]

• John Stamos runs interference, defending Loughlin while throwing shade at Mossimo, blaming him for the college admissions scam.
• Heather compares this to how friends share info in contentious public divorces (Bethenny & Carole on RHONY).
• Speculation Mossimo’s cheating scandal involves men due to his fashion industry ties: “Oh, he's gay.” – Brandi [55:22]
• “She didn’t go to USC, he did. ...makes a lot more sense the alumni pushes for the scam.” – Heather [56:44]

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9. Lavender Marriages and Gay Husbands

[60:13 – 62:48]

• Diane von Furstenberg’s claim: “I married two gay men, okay? ...but to me, they’re not gay so it doesn’t make any difference.” – cited by Heather [60:13]
• Panel unpacks the pain and “disassociation” of these arrangements. “You’re never going to be enough for that person.” – Brandi [61:27]
• Deeper discussion of affection, identity, and Hollywood history of such marriages.

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10. Fake Babies and Social Media Hoaxes

[80:36 – 84:32]

• A viral fake baby scandal out of Scotland, where a woman convinced friends and family (and her ex) she had a baby, using a hyper-realistic doll.
• “Why is the baby so cold and never moves?” – The victim’s mom [81:58]
• Doll unmasked; woman had also previously faked cancer.
• Group discusses the “reborn” doll trend and TikTok creators acting as parents to fake babies.

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11. Other Pop Culture, Reality TV, and True Crime Chatter

• Kim Kardashian’s early penchant for music and King Kylie nostalgia era [85:00–87:40]
• JoJo Siwa’s relationships, sexuality, and career: “She’s a hard worker, I could see them both being like ‘let’s dabble, let’s ...try everything…” – Julie [88:39]
• RHONY reboot fallout and casting rumors [89:52–92:49]
• Real Housewives of Miami: The “ratchet” vs. “wretched” reunion incident, race, fake apologies, and intra-cast drama [65:22–67:41]
• Juicy true crime, including international jewel heists (Louvre) and billionaire deaths-by-cliff while hiking with suspicious relatives [21:21–75:26].

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Notable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps)

• “You made yourself a victim, and now we have to feel sorry for you when you committed the crime and you’re still doing it.” – Brandi, on Dr. Wendy’s insurance fraud [17:21]
• “I don’t call or DM bloggers and try to get them to post horrible things about my castmates.” – Gretchen, via Heather [36:59]
• “Show me one person unboxing their fake pube thing and I’ll say I’m wrong, but now I think it was all a marketing thing…” – Heather [23:37]
• “She didn’t go to USC, he did. ...makes a lot more sense the alumni pushes for the scam.” – Heather, on Mossimo [56:44]
• “It’s not like the two of them sat down and wrote 12 seasons of Grey’s Anatomy together…” – Heather, on Denise & Aaron’s OnlyFans spat [48:19]
• “You’re never going to be enough for that person.” – Brandi, on lavender marriages [61:27]
• “Why is the baby so cold and never moves?” – On the fake baby scandal [81:58]
• “Sometimes when people are like, is this a conspiracy, or things are lining up in a weird way? But that’s weird.” – Heather, after her bad breath dream [42:31]

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Where to Find More

• Brandi & Julie’s Live Show: “Nightmare on Strip Street” at The Great Star Theater, SF, tickets via Fever.com (through Nov 2).
• Dumb Gay Podcast: Patreon at julianbrandi.com
• Heather’s Upcoming Shows and Info: heathermcdonald.net (including “Juicy Crimes” podcast)

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Final Notes & Tone

This episode blends gossip, insider intel, and irreverent comedy. Heather, Brandi & Julie are unfiltered, hilarious, and occasionally reflective—even when discussing the darker sides of pop culture. Fans of Bravo, true crime, and showbiz chaos will find this episode both cathartic and hysterical.

“Being with you guys in the last 24 hours has just made me that much more excited to do this show,” Heather says in closing [94:30], emphasizing their palpable creative chemistry and love for the scoop.

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Listen for:

• Bravo breakdowns, wild true crime tidbits, fake product speculation, and real talk on Hollywood, sexuality, and reality TV culture—served juicier than ever before.

Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandi Howard]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Julie Goldman]

When you're on the road, when you're.

[Heather McDonald]

On the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She tops Hollywood tales For real life, Mr. Segment, serial data and cereal sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast.

[Julie Goldman]

Listen in.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen up.

[Brandi Howard]

Whoop whoop.

[Heather McDonald]

Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Today we have a very special episode San Francisco edition with the stars, your favorite girls, stars of dumb gay podcast. I called it gay dumb, but it's dumb leads the gay. And so in that case we have Brandi Howard, Julie Goldman, San Francisco Edition. We are recording from a stunning place.

[Brandi Howard]

Stunning.

[Heather McDonald]

This is the Battery in San Francisco. It's on Battery street in the financial district. And our room is gorgeous. We had a fabulous dinner last night.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh my God, it was.

[Julie Goldman]

This is an amazing like private boutique members only hotel.

[Heather McDonald]

But you can rent. I mean you can book a room and have and then therefore have dinner there. So it's very private, very chic. And then prior to that, the reason we came up is because Brandi and Julia have been doing this great live show, nightmare on Strip street, which is such a fun Halloween, but it's like could go on forever and you guys wrote the whole show and it's lots of dancing and the best Music. And it's all like, owed to the best horror stars of the last three decades of movies. And it's funny and it's sexy. But not too sexy that you'd feel weird, right?

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

Well, you went with Drakey Poo.

[Heather McDonald]

I went with Drakey Poo. But let's just remind people what Drake's life is like.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, the other day he said to me, he's like, oh, just my life. Cutting another clip of my mom talking about another man's dick size. Because I was talking about. Yeah. The Wood song with Stuart. And does that mean that Travis kelce has a 9 inch dick or a 2.3 inch dick? We don't know. It's a mystery. And then also, of course, we talked about Kim Kardashian's dick furry. Yeah. Her fake. Her faux bush underwear. And he had to cut that clip too. So he has a weird life. But I didn't. Going back to the show, it's not too sexy that you'd feel awkward or anything. It's like just really great dancers and you're so funny in it, Julie. And it's just such a good show. So if you happen to be in San Francisco for the next couple weeks, you absolutely have to go. We were at the 4 o' clock Sunday show and it was sold out. So if you don't buy your tickets today, I don't know that they're gonna have a chance.

[Brandi Howard]

I know. I think the rest of the run might be pretty sold, but it's hard to say since we're getting closer to Halloween. But I'm sure there's.

[Julie Goldman]

And we did take you on stage, Heather, for some.

[Heather McDonald]

But we can't. We don't want to reveal all the fun that happens in the show.

[Julie Goldman]

We're not really supposed to, but I.

[Heather McDonald]

Was surprised I looked cute enough. But I, I think if I knew I was. Had to come on stage, I probably would have changed. Did a little different on my outfit, but it was perfect.

[Julie Goldman]

We had a, like one of our, like original 14 listeners. Because, you know, we only have 14 listeners. It was Natalie. She was there now. We didn't call her on stage. We called you. Would you have been. What would you have thought if we just called it Rando and not you?

[Heather McDonald]

I would, I didn't. Would have been completely fine with that. Like, I was not expecting anything. When you said try to get an aisle seat, I thought it was because maybe like the dancers came through the aisles and did something, you know, and like, whatever put your face in Their tits. I thought I was looking for something more like that. I know. So no, I did not know. You did not. I did not suspect anything when you said that. But.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, you were perfect.

[Heather McDonald]

So fun and so great and it was awesome. And then we had a beautiful dinner and then we worked on. It's a full work trip. Worked on the live show that we're doing which we're getting more and more excited about.

[Brandi Howard]

People don't even know the stuff we.

[Heather McDonald]

Have November 14th at the MGM grant. Now it is at 10pm which is a lot later than the 4pm show that I went to last night. So. So ladies, you need to pace yourself, especially if you're gonna be at BravoCon all weekend. Brace yourself and pace yourself. You do not wanna be sloppy waisted drunk for my show. You wanna be just the right amount of after dinner buzz and it's Vegas.

[Brandi Howard]

The sloppiness comes. There's plenty of time.

[Heather McDonald]

Be sloppy. Saturday or Sunday be sloppy.

[Brandi Howard]

I mean plus it's just, there's so much time.

[Julie Goldman]

When was the last time you did stand up?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I just did it at my, at my country club. I'm doing another country club event.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

On the seventh. Yeah. And yeah. So I'm excited. It'll have some stand up in it and some fun. Lots of fun stuff. Music.

[Julie Goldman]

All three of us are just like bugging on with like weird creative energy.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

I don't know why we are horny for this show. Yeah, it's gonna be so good. I'm excited.

[Brandi Howard]

So good.

[Heather McDonald]

So let's get into some hot topics that happened now. I thought this was pretty interesting. You know, Britney Spears former husband K Fed has written a book. I will be reading it. I cut a clip talking about it and I did an invite to collab. And if those of you that don't know that, how it works is you'll see that someone like mentioned you in an Instagram and if you say yes to the collab, it means it actually goes on their feed.

[Brandi Howard]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

And K Fed did collab with me and I would really like to have K Fed on the show. I know some people are like, what's this? You know like Cardi B or somebody. Some artists are talking about what a little bitch he is.

[Julie Goldman]

Nicki Minaj.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm in Nicki Minaj. He shouldn't be saying anything. And I'm like, listen, this is his, you know, this is his life too. And they're like, why is he doing it now? And I think he probably based on their financial agreement I think he couldn't maybe write about her or talk about her or do interviews about her while there was a agreement going on. Now that the boys are older, this is probably the first time he can actually do something like this. And she is the mother of his kids. So yeah, like if you.

[Brandi Howard]

That is.

[Heather McDonald]

Sorry that it's Brittany, but that is his former wife and co parent. So yeah, he has a story to tell.

[Julie Goldman]

He definitely has a right to tell his story. Yeah, but does that mean we're into it? No, I mean we're not. We still would be happy to hear him come on your show and then we can all talk shit about him, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I mean and I would ask all the tough questions, but also, you know, I think, yeah, I think it could be interesting.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, what kind of tough question would you ask him? Give us an example, like about the finances.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I want to ask about his. For the first girl, the cute pretty girl, Char Jackson. Yeah. And those two kids and what that was like in the beginning. I don't do the kids all, all talk to each other and get along because then he had a third wife that he had a couple kids with and what was it like when, remember when he and Brittany tried to do that weird show on like the wb? They tried to have like their own reality show.

[Julie Goldman]

Are you kidding? Chaotic.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, that's right.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, it is so good.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, there's just a lot. And of course I would read the book. I'm one of the few interviewers that read the book before I interview you. So if you have a book coming out, you want a great interview before you say yes to a bunch of people that are reading cards that their producers wrote. I actually read the book and talk to you.

[Julie Goldman]

You read Sinead o'. Connor?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I read everything. Yeah, I read everything.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Now let me just get into. So this is interesting. So Britney went off and she did her posts and you know, there's plenty of posts with the brown sensible pumps, they're back in full effect fedora, you know, summer dress with a winter heel. It's a lot going on. However, she did write some things where she's pissed about the book, kind of calling out her sons too, saying, this one I haven't seen in so long, this one I barely talked to, like you need to come to me. But then this is where the juicy part came, where the juicy scooper sent it to me. She also wrote, I might even start my own radio podcast.

[Brandi Howard]

This is a radio podcast.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you to the people supporting my heart. Right now I know you guys understand it hurts. And Perez Hilton, you are the absolute adorable and you made my heart smile. So you know, Perez is doing his, his work now listen again. Yeah, would that be fun if she does a podcast? Do we think that she could. No, just like Wendy Williams. Wendy Williams has been talking about her radio podcast for the last five years. We know how hard this is. We know that you have to be consistent even with all the hand holding in the world. It's not going to continue if you're not someone that's in a state of mind of being consecutive. You know, consecutive and consistent and doing work.

[Julie Goldman]

Underpaid, undervalued, overworked. You have to be a self manager. You have to be willing to just like get up, do the work.

[Heather McDonald]

But listen, I was interviewed by Britney once, so I just thinking about when I was at Chateau Marmont.

[Brandi Howard]

Well, maybe she'll have you on when.

[Heather McDonald]

She has a radio with the candle on her hedge. Took the thing off the other foot. Do you believe in Jesus? Do you believe that Jesus turned water into wine? So I mean it could be a fun interview. It could be, it could be. Whoever she interviews could be a very different kind of interview show.

[Brandi Howard]

Well, I mean it's through the grapevine.

[Heather McDonald]

It's.

[Brandi Howard]

They were saying that one of the top five first people that she's gonna get is you. So like I think that it's on the streets. Yeah, it's on. The word on the street is that that's one of the top. So you should just get ready because. Ready. You know what I mean? Please.

[Heather McDonald]

Of course we all wish her well. She's given us so much joy. Oh, I saw someone do a really fun video. They did a Britney wean. So everyone for their Halloween themed party had to dress in some phase of Britney. So there was the red outfit that remember Ramona Singer did which was like the karaoke thing. There was all the crazy. Someone with a snake. The, the. Yeah, the outfit. I mean it could be. It was. That's a fun idea. So celebrate her. Okay, now our little update on our girl Wendy. Yes, and Wendy from Real Housewives of Potomac. She did a post and she said, and through it all, God remains faithful. Thank you for the outpouring of love, support, prayers for myself and most importantly my family during this time. We are forever grateful. Just to remind you guys, this is Wendy from Potomac and she and her husband have been arrested. They're facing six one. She's facing 16 counts, felony counts, he's doing 19. They claim that they were robbed of all their jewels and purses. And in fact, they had returned them the week prior, gotten the money. And also, she was wearing one of the rings that was lost after she reported it and then decided to wear it while she was filming Potomac. And she has four degrees and her husband's an attorney. So when people say, I don't know if college is that important anymore, I would say this is a pretty damn good argument. Like, well, also, with all those degrees.

[Brandi Howard]

You didn't know not to wear the damn ring out. What is the matter with you?

[Heather McDonald]

Because she's fabulous. And anyway, this is the photo that she posts.

[Brandi Howard]

I just need to say, if you're gonna do.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm just gonna. If you're gonna do this with a long wig and a hat, your most fabulous photo that you had, like, you know, from a photo shoot, if you're going to say thank you for your support, God is good. Why wouldn't you just do a flower or a family photo or you, like, hugging your kids or just something. But no, just me looking the most fabulous. Because she. That's her. She's Karen Huger. I mean, this is. This is the prototype of a real housewife to a T, where they are so incredibly full of themselves that they would post this photo when they're asking thank you, or when they're thanking support.

[Brandi Howard]

Even. Karen Huger, the queen, humbled herself when she went and had to get in that car to go to the courthouse. In my opinion, she was taken. Like, she was humbled.

[Julie Goldman]

I thought, what about the crying video on the reunion was. I thought, pretty sad, too.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, like she. She really was. Was taking down a notch. This is so egregious. I can't even deal with how entitled and arrogant and gross and just. Sorry. And I. She has been bugging on with her four degrees and her bragging and I, you know, and it sucks because there are times where she's super funny and it'll be like, oh, God, she's. Now I like her and now I don't. But this, you went on. You judge people and karma's a bitch.

[Heather McDonald]

I wanted to write under this. Oh, I guess this was one of the outfits that wasn't, quote, unquote, fake, stolen.

[Brandi Howard]

I mean, and then go. But just like the fact that. And we're watching Potomac. And every time I'm watching it and I watch her with her smug. Just her smugness, I just think to myself.

[Julie Goldman]

You got caught even in the Potomac.

[Brandi Howard]

This week.

[Julie Goldman]

She's doing a maniacal laugh as who is it? K. Yeah, to K. And she's doing this weird, creepy, scary laugh. And it's like, yeah, none of this is landing now. And it is so tragic.

[Brandi Howard]

Tragic.

[Julie Goldman]

Cringe.

[Heather McDonald]

I wonder if, in light of her arrest, if the editors are scrambling to put in more of those wink, wink to the audience moments, even if it hadn't made the original cut. They're going back and they're like, remember when she was, you know, talking about how rich they were in their jewels? Or they remember that part of her shopping that we was on the editing floor. Let's put that back in. In episode eight, because they have time.

[Julie Goldman]

I wonder, though, because I didn't hear so much last night as I did in the beginning of. Oh, Happy Eddie's just doing so well. Happy Eddie's just doing so well.

[Heather McDonald]

That's her husband who has a cannabis company, even though he's an attorney called Happy Eddie, which of course is legal. But I didn't hear a lot about.

[Julie Goldman]

It last night like I had been in the first two episodes. So hopefully they're not hiding it. I want them to boost it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, I do. Also, I just want to say about this too, because I agree with you. Like, you're acting like something happened to you.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Brandi Howard]

Like something happened to you. But you're still fabulous about, you know, rising above it as if you aren't the. You weren't the problem. You're not a victim of your own crime. You committed it. Like you. You. God is good. Okay. But it's not that you didn't. You didn't get in a car accident. It's not like a thing where.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not like your kid is going through something.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Treatment. Even if he was. This is probably the photo that she would post who she is.

[Brandi Howard]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

That's her. How she sees herself and how she wants the world to see herself, even through committing.

[Brandi Howard]

And I don't even care. Good. Get money from insurance. Take all. Take them for a ride. They deserve it. However, when you are. You just can't. You just can't brag and you can't judge and you can't walk around saying that you're rich and. And then commit insurance fraud. Like, that's where it's also lying about.

[Heather McDonald]

Saying that there was a broke. It's not just that you screwed up the insurance company. It's not like your ring went down the sink. It was your fault and you said you lost it on a plane and I want my money back. That like a little bit of. A little bit harmless. You told the cops. You filled out the police report.

[Brandi Howard]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You went and told your neighbors that you were robbed to scare. Scare them. You went on a podcast and talked about it in detail. So it's all of that.

[Brandi Howard]

You're right. I agree with you.

[Julie Goldman]

100. Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

You made yourself a victim, and now we have to feel sorry for you when you committed the crime and you're still doing it.

[Heather McDonald]

And then Annie was interviewed on the street and he's like, I don't know. I'm sad. I mean, I really enjoy. I really. I love Wendy. And, you know, she's. She's great. She's a great housewife. And, yeah, I get it. This. Like I said, when this shit happens, when bad stuff happens, when there isn't a real grave, but, like a financial grave or a criminal grave, those editors get out and do an Irish jig on the grave. And they are excited. The editors, the producers, they are happy to see bad things happen, providing everyone's life is saved.

[Brandi Howard]

And mark my words, either she or Eddie or both will be on the next season of Dancing with the Stars.

[Julie Goldman]

Dancing with the Cons.

[Brandi Howard]

Dancing with the Cons. Dancing with the Criminals. Definitely with George Santos.

[Heather McDonald]

I definitely. It's going to give them a spot on the Traitors. Because that's good. Because you're a lying cheat.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And probably the. The Special Forces.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Seems like they are down for criminals.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes. Because they'll break you down and then you can.

[Heather McDonald]

I would say redemption. I would. If we were.

[Brandi Howard]

If.

[Heather McDonald]

If we were betting women.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I would say they're more likely. Either one of them. She will get on Traitors. He will go on the Special Forces. I don't think they're gonna do Dancing with the Stars just yet. I don't think she's famous enough, to be honest. I don't think this is like that. I don't think this. That. That franchise, even though it's been around forever. Yeah, it's. I don't think it's up there with, like, the Beverly Hills, but we'll see.

[Brandi Howard]

That's fair.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Then I had said, what if you were the girl that was supposed to do the wife swap with Wendy? Which, by the way, that is abc. I take her back. She might be doing Dancing with the Cons. There you go. And I said, what if? How bummed would you be? And then this person sent that and they're like, heather, look, this girl did a tik tok. Just got the call. Our Bravo wife swap show is postponed until further notice. Yeah. Welcome to all the ladies that went to Morocco. Ultimate Girls trap in Morocco, which Brandy wanted us to start a class action lawsuit for all the Bravo viewers that will never get to see Ultimate Goals Girls trip Morocco.

[Brandi Howard]

Ridiculous.

[Heather McDonald]

We are working on that. We are going to be taking signatures.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

If you want to be part of this at the live show.

[Brandi Howard]

We're actually starting a change.org petition.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. We have a couple lawyers. Not my sister. It's not her expertise. We have some lawyers through a AI chat GPT lawyer law firm that are willing to take on this case. And I'm thinking with the amount of people signing up, we all might be entitled to 7 to $12.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, I was thinking more 18 to 20. No.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, well, we're going to try. We're going to try because we have all been traumatized. We have talked about it for hours. We've. People have woken up in cold sweats. Then what about the actual people that were on the show? Gretchen, we never will get to see. We'll never get to see Alex McCord, who allegedly was in the bathroom when Brandy Glanville, you know, inadvertently or very vertical stuck her finger up Caroline Manzo's grandma pants. We don't know and we never will know.

[Brandi Howard]

It's not right.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not. You want to protest something?

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

Go.

[Heather McDonald]

Go protest that.

[Julie Goldman]

That's right.

[Brandi Howard]

How about no Morocco day? Not fair. Hashtag no Morocco day. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Andy Cohen, you're not a king.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, you're not a king. Stop it.

[Heather McDonald]

You're totally. Oh, my God. I just thought about. You're right. No kids. Kings Day. No Handicot. You can't tell us what to do. Stop the censorship.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, stop the censorship. Free speech.

[Brandi Howard]

It's women's rights. It's women's rights.

[Heather McDonald]

You're absolutely right. This is hands being tail. Hands made tail with a remote. He's holding the remote away from us. And we are not being able to see what we are entitled as American bravo watchers and international. We're going with a lot. We're going with, actually international lawsuit.

[Brandi Howard]

Blessed be the Morocco. Blessed be the eye. Come on.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, speaking of international crime, did you hear about the. The Louvre museum?

[Julie Goldman]

Yes, so I did not.

[Heather McDonald]

They at the museum in broad daylight. These experienced, obviously. Rob. This is straight out of, like, every heist, Ocean's Eleven type of movie that you see. They got a truck with, like, a crane somehow, like, went through the top and then jumped down and got these jewels that, you know, while people were like, in the museum. There's been these jewels there forever, which is like, you know, the crown jewels, like, of a French. Whatever. King.

[Julie Goldman]

Monarchy.

[Heather McDonald]

Monarchy. And now the crown is. They did find the crown, but as someone was running, the crown dropped that.

[Julie Goldman]

Old chestnut, like Kim Kardashian. The one jewel was on the ground that they stole from Kim Kardashian, like a huge diamond. And, like, who drops it?

[Heather McDonald]

So someone did drop the crown, but the rest of the. Has been gone. They closed the. It was. Happened on the 19th. They closed the museum after that. Most people say we probably will never recover these jewels. They cannot be estimated. They're so old, they're so valuable. They're so. And of course, they'll, you know, break them apart and cut them in half and. And whatever. But so. And one of the things was this big, you know, diamond and emerald necklace thing. And then I noticed this.

[Julie Goldman]

Here we go.

[Heather McDonald]

Here's Kim Kardashian wearing a. A weird nude dress with a nude thing around her face, which is not the first time she's done this. She did this with Kanye. Yeah. Where she was covering her face, and the jewels are emerald. So then I did my detective work, and this was actually taken before they were stolen. But I swear, I. I'm like, if she. If it was stolen. And then she chose to, like, just to get people talking. Chose a necklace that might be looking like that.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Just to get us talking, because this is just to get us talking. And I do think I was taken by believing that she's selling faux. Faux hairy skims because they were all sold out in every color of fake pube. Every size. I. I show me one person unboxing their fake pube thing.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And I will say I'm wrong, but now I think it was all a marketing thing because the show is coming back. They are super rich and successful, but us, the chatter about them has gone way down.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

We don't really talk about them, and you know that. So now Chris is doing a podcast, and Kim's on another podcast or doing podcasts. They're making faux bushes for underwear, and they're covering their face at an event to get people to talk, because if she just wore this with just looking beautiful, we'd be like, whatever. It's a cream dress with a waistline. Who cares?

[Julie Goldman]

And the sleeve capes. I would have gotten a pair of the. I'm bald. I'm a bald eagle. Drake.

[Heather McDonald]

So.

[Julie Goldman]

And I felt like I was kind of, like, against my will. I wanted to leave, but I.

[Heather McDonald]

Landing strip.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, I got laser. I had a landing strip. And she's like, what do you need this for? And I was like, okay, I guess we're gonna get. And it was the best thing I ever did. But I was gonna enjoy cosplaying Little Bush.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, well, we'll see.

[Julie Goldman]

That'd have been fun.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, you can join the waiting list. Let's just see if it actually exists. And now if she wasn't thinking of doing it, maybe this was a little test. We'll make it look like it's all sold out. If there truly is a wait list for it. That's what I think it is. I don't think they ever made them.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Because making faux hair, I mean that seems like kind of in a harder job than just doing a simple G string. So I think that was the plan. We'll see if they what the result is if people really want to buy it, how many people are actually on the wait list for it. And then we'll make them or we won't and we'll all forget about this two weeks from now.

[Julie Goldman]

I think her next stunt should be flesh colored. You know that comes in all different colors. Bathing suit with, with nips on the outside in the bush.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

So you're just at the beach just like just looking nips in bush laying out. And people are like what?

[Heather McDonald]

People are like bus boys are crossing each other at the Vegas pool.

[Julie Goldman]

Running into each other.

[Heather McDonald]

I like it.

[Julie Goldman]

Glasses are flying.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, that's good.

[Julie Goldman]

Very Bianca sensory. Which is exactly what this face mask is as well.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandi Howard]

I can't wait to get dig into that Louvre thing. You know how exciting that is? I mean, if you've been to the Louvre too, that shit is crowded. Like, that's crap.

[Heather McDonald]

I have not been there. So what's.

[Brandi Howard]

It's so crowded you can't believe it. To even walk through it is a to hate humanity. It's. It's like, it's like a nightmare. It's like a nightmare.

[Heather McDonald]

Is looking at the jewels to the glass like an exciting part of the visit.

[Julie Goldman]

I thought that all because they have full rooms that look like they've made to look like castles and, and the monarchy's like residents. And I thought the jewels was cool. Julie of course needed to see like the Nikkei. She's like, I want to see a sculpture.

[Brandi Howard]

I'm like, oh God, any sculpture. But okay. And also there's certain pieces in the Louvre that I walked in.

[Julie Goldman]

I was like, I can't do this. She's like, right at the beginning. Please, please, please. I'm like, okay, but we're not seeing the Mona.

[Brandi Howard]

It's breathtaking. Okay? It's breathtaking. However, the fact that these guys did this in an Ocean's Eleven style thing in the middle of the day while it's crowded with thousands and thousands of people like now that I pay for. Astounding. It's astounding.

[Julie Goldman]

Guy comes down like, Tom Cruise gets the jewels.

[Heather McDonald]

With all the AI stuff that now AI can do for you. You know what they can't steal in broad daylight yet. So the work ethic of these jewelers, they have not just Gone lazy and just tried to steal someone's bitcoin from their account through a cyber freak tech thing. No, they actually got up that day, met together, made a plan.

[Brandi Howard]

They've been playing.

[Julie Goldman]

Did it work out?

[Brandi Howard]

I love.

[Heather McDonald]

They say men don't have friends. These guys seem like they're pretty close. Yeah, they met a bunch of times and talked about it.

[Brandi Howard]

Not only that, a bunch of times, social media. They met for a year. At least a year. I guarantee you, when the documentary of this is made, and it will be made, that they've met for a year. I mean, I love a heist, Drake. I can't tell you how much I love heist. I love art and I love a heist and an art heist together. I'll get the skims with the bush, too, just to mop it up like this. And I have plenty of hair, so I'm just saying, like, your bush is.

[Julie Goldman]

Going to be coming out the side of the bush underwear.

[Brandi Howard]

Exactly. So it's just like, I am so obsessed. I can't wait until it turns out it's going to be these Euro guys and they're smoking and eating weird sandwiches and they're planning and they have a blueprint and a van and then there's probably somebody got killed sometime somewhere along the way. Maybe it's somebody's last.

[Heather McDonald]

I hope there's a set of brothers. Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

Set of brothers. Yeah. And somebody's like, this is the last one, man.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

I'm not after this.

[Julie Goldman]

Wait.

[Heather McDonald]

But they're French. They're French.

[Brandi Howard]

This is the last one after this one. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm going to move. I want to move to Nice.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. They escaped on scooters.

[Brandi Howard]

Exactly. Get your Vespa.

[Heather McDonald]

I just would love it if it was like a lime scooter. Like we were on the lime scooter yesterday. Wait, before I talk about that, I just have to say a little correction. And since we're talking about history. The faux Harry Bush underwear, Kim did not invent it.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

Hookers from. From the 1800s invented it because it would cover their venereal disease. So they would wear those to cover.

[Julie Goldman]

The crabs crawling around.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Yes. Or if they, I guess, had to shave it to get rid of the crabs, then they would put that on for when the gentleman collars would come. So she is not the creator of anything, apparently. And she is going after all these companies that are counterfeiting her skims, which they truly. They're doing the real counterfeit. They're not Just like stealing the look like everyone does. Like she did with Spanx. They are actually making skims signs. I mean, you know, labels.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, they're doing like a full on dance.

[Heather McDonald]

So she is going after them and they. Absolutely. She should. That's, like, completely wrong.

[Julie Goldman]

Especially since she's not even technically really selling them. So now we're all gonna have to get the dupes. And then she's gonna go, I didn't make that. And we'll go, how do you know? And she'll go, cause I never made any. I actually never manufactured or produced not a single bush underwear.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. You know what?

[Brandi Howard]

Again, no bush day. What the hell? Like, we want our thing. Stop just playing with us.

[Heather McDonald]

This is terrible. Well, speaking of bushes, the Real Housewives of oc, all right, were very close to showing us theirs when they went to Amsterdam and wore the most ridiculous outfits to walk around in in Amsterdam. So we have Tamara was wearing, like, very tiny black shorts, almost like bikini bottom, black shorts, bare legs and boots and a top. Then we have Jen, who has a good body, and she's doing, again, my worst, the sheer look, the bathing suit with lace over it look. And then we had Emily, who is wearing this black dress that has all these cutouts on the side in the midriff. And it's very, very sexy. My only thing is, she was sporting on a day that she had, like, a couple bruises.

[Julie Goldman]

The drunken banging.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, like. Like, yeah. She had the bruise of, like, where you woke up in the middle of the night and you bumped into your nightstand. And I'm like, maybe this isn't the day that you wear the cutout that shows the bruise. Or at least go get some of that body makeup and cover it up.

[Brandi Howard]

Maybe wait till the night. Maybe just till the sun goes down a little.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, just like it is.

[Brandi Howard]

Like, it's broad daylight. You're walking down the street in what looks like to be. I mean.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, Emily is, like, beautiful and statuesque and gorgeous. I'm done with the cutouts. I think. I think it's a rats and the shears. And I'm done with the bathing suit with the tights. Like, we're not spreading the news. Start spreading the. No, bitch, fucking take your leotard with the tights and get out. I'm. They're all. They're all doing this. Like, it's done. It was done with Aaron when she From New York when she worked BravoCon. That was the end of it. Let's move to a new. Let's get the bush if you want to do something, let's get the bush panties. Let's see you do it.

[Heather McDonald]

I think Emily is beautiful too. I've never. What's shocking is when they do those two confessional looks in the same episode and you're literally like, it was like there were twins separated at birth and then they got back together and you're like, oh, I kind of see resemblance. One is, she looks stunning. Her hair is parted down the middle. She has extensions in. It's long. She has like a gold, like a Goldie brown normal top on, not too low cut. Hair and makeup look amazing. Then the other one is when she looks like Chyna the wrestler rest in peace, where they give her where she had this low cut black dress on and then she has this black hair that's like emphasizing her neck and shoulders. It is the worst. Like I would. You know what I also want to do? I also want to find out who was the glam that did that look fire and what the fuck did she do to them that day.

[Brandi Howard]

Seriously.

[Heather McDonald]

And who's the glam that got her looking pretty again.

[Julie Goldman]

And Bravo should be. Or the production company, they did her very dirty. She should have done a stern phone call. Like, I need pre approval for all my. I'll reshoot all of my confessionals if you're gonna do me dirty like that. Like, they know it was hard.

[Heather McDonald]

I just think the makeup and hair people have way too much influence over these women on what to do, how to do their hair, what. They just are like, I guess you know better than me to the guy who's the makeup artist who secretly hates them. No, like you've been doing makeup your whole life. You lived a pretty life before you got on the show. Don't be convinced to do weird fucking things to your hair and makeup because some guy is telling you to.

[Brandi Howard]

That's right.

[Heather McDonald]

What does this 26 year old gay makeup artist know about your 48 year old face and why you shouldn't wear this strange wig or some shimmery.

[Julie Goldman]

Nine times out of ten, literally, they look more beautiful when they do their own makeup and they're filming in their house than they do in those confessionals. Like, so she is gorgeous. And that confessional, though, has now become worst Confessional look is a. Is a good one.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, listen. Then Gretchen, which, this was her look, which was very strange, you know, she had a weird bump it look that went with the dress, but it was just a bit much. Okay, but you know, gets us talking. So then I Always think it's not bad. She made a list of how she's different than Tamara, and they. They highlighted it. I'm not harming or constantly hurting my friends. I'm not discussing personal information. My friends asked me not to talk about, like she did to Shannon about her dad when she said, did you say your dad's a. An alcoholic? And Shannon's like, tamra, my dad is 97. If he wants to have a triple vodka at Javier's with me, he's entitled to.

[Julie Goldman]

Also, can I point out, she did say harming, damning information when she said that Tamara slept with the guy from 98 degrees and also said that she was a terrible singer with a song. So those are two things that she did do. That's only number two.

[Heather McDonald]

True that. Then she said, I don't call or DM bloggers and try to get them to post horrible things about my castmates. That's true. I don't think she does that. Okay. Actually, I feel bad when I mess up. She doesn't. Okay. So then she's had her little list. So this one. So then I came across basic and brav. Brav. Bravo. So many again. There's so many of these Instagram accounts that are funny. Shannon Beador. A decade of meltdowns. How long can this woman circle the same dream? So they put all the times in all the seasons that she actually said, I have been through the hardest year of my life. This is the worst year of my life. What you don't get it is my life has been hell. I'm finally getting out of the worst year of my life to currently enter another worst year of my life. And I was like, all I know is that when the show started, Shannon lived in a $13.5 million home. And after being on the show for 12 years, she's in her fifth rental now. If that's not some hands made. Hands made of women. Like, how is it that you've been on TV for 12 years and, yes, I understand you got divorced, but, like, how is it that you got, like, less financially stable?

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Because you're hiring all the makeup artists that don't know that don't like you.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. And then taking them to events.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I would like to do? I would like to offer all the housewives to come to my show, and we will do a YouTube type makeup tutorial of how to do your own makeup so that at one point you might be able to purchase your own home after you've been on a show for 12 years that airs in 135 countries. Like, how is this possible?

[Julie Goldman]

It's unbelievable.

[Brandi Howard]

Brandi gave me a makeup tutorial on YouTube once, many years ago.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandi Howard]

And it was very enlightening. And I would say especially, it was.

[Julie Goldman]

It was boy rock star makeup for lesbians, like, messy, smokey eye.

[Brandi Howard]

But listen, it was very informative. It was very informative. And, you know, we can all learn. And I do want to say, particularly, the thing is with Emily and I, she's got muscle. She has a mass.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandi Howard]

And I mean that. And because I do, too, which is.

[Julie Goldman]

Good, because she works out.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah, she works out. She's strong. So I was just. So when I saw that China look, I just was just like, not to go back to that. But I was offended for her because it's like, you're. You're accentuating. It's like I. If I wore that, I would look like that, too.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, then that's.

[Brandi Howard]

You don't accentuate that.

[Heather McDonald]

A stylist, a professional stylist who does clothes will look at your body. Yes. And say, oh, you know, this is the. You have a super tiny waist. We're going to give you, like 1950, 50s nip in that waist. You know, whatever. You have great legs, but you're a little thick in the middle. We're going to do a 1960s mini dress. So it's like, go like, and with a pair of boots and, like, they should know what looks good on your body. If you don't, that's fine. But you probably did before you started the show. And now you're just, like, walking in circles because you're just. You just assume that these quote unquote professionals know better than you, who've been dressing yourself for 43 years before you got hired on to come on this dumb show. And you looked fine. You looked great.

[Brandi Howard]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

Women need to have more confidence.

[Brandi Howard]

They do.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, now, this is coming up about by wig. Hello. Drama, I guess posted something and then Tamara reposted it. And it was about how she said, I sat next to a cast member on the couch at a reunion who had the worst breath ever. And then they showed a photo of Shannon talking to her. And there is something about calling someone out on having bad breath, which is like, it's. I think it's more embarrassing than when Brandi Glanville said that Joanna Krupa had a stinky, stinky.

[Brandi Howard]

I would.

[Julie Goldman]

Brandy Glanville had the tampon string hanging out of her.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. I almost think it's worse than that because it's like, there's something about like, did something die in my mouth and I didn't know it? And you can't smell your own bad breath. And what is so crazy is you sent this topic to me, Brandy. And I only saw it after I woke up this morning at 9. But I woke up, I swear to God. This is how weird the universe is.

[Julie Goldman]

With the worst breath.

[Heather McDonald]

No weirder than this. Now I know nobody wants to hear someone else's dream. It's a very weird thing.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, God. Here.

[Heather McDonald]

But I have a vivid dream wording. So I'm going to shorten the dream. In the dream, it was very juicy. I was single. My 19 year old boyfriend was in it. He went for my friend Maya, who's in the Golden Bachelor. It was a whole story, okay? But in it, Shannon was gonna hang out with my friend Maya and my old boyfriend now that they were getting married, my sister Shannon. And I'm like, I can't believe you're doing this to me. And then Shannon's husband goes, are we ever gonna tell her? And they said I had horrible breath. And I was like, how do I not know? And I remember in the dream, I'm looking to get a toothbrush and a toothpaste and I wake up to this. Now, come on. That is weird.

[Brandi Howard]

That is weird.

[Heather McDonald]

Never had a dream about someone saying I had bad breath. That is weird.

[Julie Goldman]

Shannon and Shannon, Yes. Oh my God.

[Heather McDonald]

Sometimes when people are like, it's like, is this. What is this? You know? So I'm like, I don't know, I feel like we've just been on earth too long. That.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Sometimes it's a conspiracy theory. Sometimes it's just, I don't know, things are lining up in a weird way, but that's weird.

[Julie Goldman]

Cut to Drake being like just another day cutting together. My mom single in her dream, boning down with her ex boyfriend with bad breath.

[Heather McDonald]

Drake's just like, I came across. I gave her someone reposted. And gays react great insta. I'm giving a lot of people shout outs. Posted the day that Andy Cohen went to go meet Luann in this dramatic sit down interview. And he's walking through the Hamptons and he's like, I'm in the Hamptons with a bottle of. I'm going to talk to Luann. I've got questions, she's got answers. And I remember everyone was dying getting so excited for this thing. And I made Brandon. Now this is 2017. I made Brandon get in a similar blue shirt. I put in Talcum powder in his hair to make it look gray.

[Julie Goldman]

Salt and pepper.

[Heather McDonald]

He was very cute. And he did it. So I re. So I reposted that. But when I reposted it, I was like, I can't wait to read my kids memoirs because nobody's gonna have these fucking stories. I'm like, stop doing your homework, Brandon.

[Brandi Howard]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

Put down your pencil.

[Julie Goldman]

He's like, study. Like, we're gonna do a thing on Below Deck. Get in here. Your sister's filming it. Peter, sit down. That's like, that shit should have won a damn Emmy. That Below Deck one, I love it. Repost that one.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what? Maybe we'll. We'll share it at the. At the show.

[Brandi Howard]

I want you both to know that I pretty sure neither of you has bad breath.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, it's something that bothers me that I'm scared about. And people will comment that I'm chewing gum like a horse. And I'm like, well, it's better than. It's why I only drink vodka. I hate even doing a shot of tequila because I feel like it's just like, coming out of my face. But I feel like with a lot of these girls, it's coming. It's like, Stacey, right? They've said it about Lisa Vanderpump. No, we don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

They said about Stacy at Potomac.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes. That's like the huge storyline that she has bad breath. Yes. Very mean right now that her breath.

[Brandi Howard]

Walks in the room before she does.

[Julie Goldman]

Andy Cohen on Watch what Happens Live did a whole thing of like, I don't know if it was dragon breath. It was a game. It was very mean spirited. And they're sort of bullying her about it and trying to embarrass her. And she. That bitch Stacy, she is impervious, honey. Like that QVC made her so she will not crack. She will not go negative.

[Heather McDonald]

She's so gorgeous.

[Julie Goldman]

She's so beautiful. She's like, look at my face, Okay? I don't care if my breast stinks. I'm like, yeah, and your body too, but I'm so insecure about it. And then people make fun of you and you chew gum. There was an episode of Odd Mom Out. Do you remember that?

[Brandi Howard]

On Broadway?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

That was a good show. Yeah. And she was Jewish and they did like Yom Kippur and you fast. Right, Maumaux. And the whole episode is about how when you fast, you get stinky breath. It's like a thing. So I'm like. And it's. It kind of always Is. And I notice it with myself, like, because I don't eat a lot. Like, if I'm trying to be, like, anorexic or, like, skip meals, it's like, yeah, your mouth gets dry.

[Heather McDonald]

Definitely. Yeah, definitely. There's a dried. I think what is crazy is that I can remember people throughout my life who some of them I truly adore and love. And if you have bad breath or your boyfriend had bad breath, I remember it like, and it's real. So this is what I would do if I was one of these housewives that was remotely being accused of it. I would call my agent right now, and I would be, like, work a campaign around this of, like, laughing at it. And now I take these little mint things.

[Julie Goldman]

It's listening time. Give me the brand. Deal.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, totally. Make the lemonades, as Shannon would.

[Julie Goldman]

Mm.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, take the. Take the nine lemons and squeeze that lemonade, Shannon, and hopefully the lemons will help you. Yeah, it's true. Or is it just another time that Tamara is dancing on a former friend's grave? Like, dance. She liked to tap dance. She likes to do an Irish jig. She. Oh, my God. She gets so excited when somebody is suffering. So, yeah, I mean, you got to.

[Julie Goldman]

See the Stacy thing. It's beyond.

[Brandi Howard]

Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

Good for her.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, now getting into the worst divorce ever. Denise Richards with Aaron Pfeiffers. He though they were in court, she, of course, is saying that she was physically abused by him. His mother, who was one of the four tenants that was living in her house for two years, not paying rent. She said, I never saw my. My son ever abused Denise. However, I saw her throw a can opener at him. Okay. So, you know, she has physical, you know, signs that he did. His own sister said, you know, his own sister said that he would. She witnessed it. So because of all that abuse, after they got out of court, he was arrested on those abuse charges. He since bailed out at $200,000. And they caught Radar online or something. Caught him. Caught him. Or they called him where he's walking out, and he's like, no, of course. I sure. I still love Denise. I just. Just hope she gets the. The help that she, you know, needs, because I. You know, obviously you're not well if you're just, like, making lies to hurt people. But no, I mean, I just hope she gets better. And we really can't say anything more, so that's. Sure.

[Julie Goldman]

Jan. Yeah. I'm not buying it.

[Heather McDonald]

He says he wants half. All. Half of all the only fans money that she Makes, which is like a couple hundred thousand a month. Because at one time he was taking the photos.

[Julie Goldman]

I think if she didn't pay him for that, although she was. Because she was letting his family live in the house.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

So he was being paid in that way, his bills and everything. I think if, if she didn't, she could consider giving him a lump sum as a photographer and be done with it. It's not like they reuse images.

[Heather McDonald]

Exactly. That's why I said it's not like the two of them sat down and wrote 12 seasons of Grey's Anatomy together and now they're breaking up. And she's like, you're not getting a dollar of that syndication money. No, we created that together. Photos like, like OnlyFans is somewhat topical.

[Julie Goldman]

You know, use it once and then you're done. You're not gonna keep sending.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not like someone's doing like a print like Andy Warhol of Marilyn Monroe that everybody's gonna have a print of her in their house.

[Julie Goldman]

Denise, can you send me the photo of you holding the pans?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And can we make it just like it's almost like a cartoon? No, we're not reusing the pans photo.

[Heather McDonald]

Exactly. So we're rooting for her Now. Kristen Bell is getting a lot of flack because she. This is what happens when you're not a comedian, you're not a stand up, you're not a comedic writer, and you think that you are because you do comedic fun stuff and, you know, people think you're funny acting. She posted a, you know, 12 year anniversary pic where she's like hugging her husband, Dax Shepard, and wrote to the man who said that he even something would have wanted to kill me. He never will kill me. But it was like one too many sentences long. It wasn't like, you know, and it is domestic violence awareness month and, you know, we're seeing what's going. Yeah, we're seeing what's going on or this week or something with Denise. And yeah, I mean, look, we all joke about loving Dateline and like, you know, I have stuff in my act about, like, if I was to get killed, you know, by my husband, even if he didn't do it. Like, I think I'm fine with having a whole special about it and.

[Julie Goldman]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And go to prison. We all joke about it, but like, you know, when you put it like in a tweet, it's different than if you're doing it like in a stand up or even joking about it in a conversational Space, like a podcast, which is conversation. Our type of podcast is conversation. And, like, so, I mean, look, she just tried to be funny, and she wasn't. Just like, Chrissy Teigen tried to be funny. When she wrote those awful things to Courtney Stodden, she was trying to be funny, and she's not funny. The sign is that you're not funny.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

That's the problem.

[Heather McDonald]

And you're, like, seeing other comedians and then you take. You steal from what they're doing, but you do it wrong.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And you do it in an isolated way that doesn't look good.

[Julie Goldman]

The problem is that she wanted to do the post. Twelve years ago today, I married my best friend, and she knew that was cringe and tragic, so then she tried to make it sarcastic, which, by the.

[Heather McDonald]

Way, I did that. I did that, like, seven years ago, where I was like. I had a whole thing. My act about 12 years. You know how people do that? And then I actually put on my page the truth about it. But it wasn't violent. It was like some funny thing.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, he's not my best friend. Yeah. Right in front of me.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. He's not my best friend. Like, no, your best friend is your girlfriend. Like. Right. He's just someone that I like, you know, kind of get along with sometimes. Sometimes I don't. Like.

[Julie Goldman]

I try to invite in him, but he's not a good listener.

[Heather McDonald]

No, he's not a good listener.

[Julie Goldman]

Terrible advice.

[Heather McDonald]

Doesn't remember a girlfriend. Remembers everything. Doesn't know how to help me get dressed. Would. Wouldn't give me good or bad advice. Like, yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

So this is why lesbians are confused. Yeah, this is why lesbians are confused.

[Heather McDonald]

I just want to say in closing, I think Kristen and Dax are great and talented. I think, once again, they shouldn't. This is not a big deal. I'm more talking about it because people shouldn't make a big deal out of someone trying to be funny on the Internet. That's all it is.

[Julie Goldman]

I think people get more offended when you try and fail than if it was so inappropriate but was actually funny than people like, okay, right, right. You know. Okay, I'll take it.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Brandi Howard]

The most important thing is that she's the executive producer of the Tiny Chef show, and I don't. People need to look it up.

[Julie Goldman]

We love both, I think. Is it with. Is it.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it with little people or just kids?

[Brandi Howard]

It's. It's. No, it's a creature. It's a cre. It's the cute. One of the cutest things I'VE ever seen in my life.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

I swear to God.

[Heather McDonald]

They're both super talented and funny, and they do have good marriage. And they do. So it's like, it's all fun.

[Julie Goldman]

And I think they transcended a very basic beginning, I thought. They both seem like they, even though she was in Veronica Mars and stuff, seemed like they could have just been like, you run a TV show and you go wherever. And they have transcended that so well. Like, they really are really bright stars. Like, I'm a pretty big fan of both of them, and I like their relationship and their kids.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think you're great. Yeah, I think they're great. Okay. So now these people aren't great. Massimo and Lori Laughlin are getting divorced, and she did something that I think is kind of genius and fabulous.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And only one other person has done this where I could see it so vividly. Okay. And that was her very good friend John Stamos. Just happened to be on a podcast, the Good Guys, and went off on Mossabel. And when you're going through a contentious divorce with your ex husband of many years, you don't want to be the one that's on there talking shit and saying that his dick doesn't work or whatever. You want to act like a classy lady. This is the Father by Kids. But if you can get a friend to go and talk about it. Who else did this? Heather? What do you talk about? Bethany Frankel and Caroline Radziwell. When Bethenny Frankel was going through a divorce.

[Julie Goldman]

Carol, Carol, Carol, Carol.

[Heather McDonald]

Did I call her Caroline?

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, and I'm sorry.

[Heather McDonald]

Caroline.

[Julie Goldman]

Caroline Radzell.

[Heather McDonald]

Sorry, sorry.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm getting a weird Kennedy Red.

[Heather McDonald]

Carol Radziwell.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay?

[Heather McDonald]

Bethany and Carol Real House in New York were best friends. And Bethany was going through a horrible divorce. And it was a horrible divorce. And I was completely on Bethany's side of this with Jason.

[Julie Goldman]

Hoppy.

[Heather McDonald]

Hoppy. And so she couldn't say anything publicly about him. He's the father of her kids, and they're going through this divorce. But Carol could say, yes, I've been there. I've seen the phone calls. I've read the texts. And, you know, Bethany's just sitting there shaking her head. And you use your friend to get it out, because they can do that, right? And in this world of podcasting and social media, it's a pretty easy thing to do. So we love John Samos. He said, she is just the most fabulous woman ever. And he goes, now that whole college scandal Thing that was Massimo. He pushed her to do that. She didn't want it. And then, you know, she sticks by while he goes to prison. She went to prison for his idea. And he goes. And now there's room that now it's out there that the reason she is getting divorced is because she found texts and emails on his computer. And it was at that point she was just like, I cannot do this anymore. Where he's cheating. And he goes, I don't know what hole he needs to fill. Which made me think a man's butthole.

[Brandi Howard]

Maybe he's gay.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, I was thinking that the minute you said she found text emails, I was like, gay. I don't know. It just came to me.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know.

[Julie Goldman]

Like the bad.

[Brandi Howard]

Let me look at him.

[Heather McDonald]

He. It's. It's.

[Brandi Howard]

Is this him?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, he's gay.

[Heather McDonald]

I was offended. That's a gay person.

[Julie Goldman]

Lori. Is that her name on the show?

[Heather McDonald]

She is doll. And I love her.

[Julie Goldman]

They're good friends. John Stamos and her. He's there eating the Greek yogurt on the podcast, helping her out. Yeah, but that guy, he. He. For him to be. Yeah, Massimo. For him to say. To have the things caught. Allegedly. If he was caught with things on his computer, he. His word on the street is like, oh, she's the one who orchestrated the rowing photos. And it's like.

[Heather McDonald]

He said that?

[Julie Goldman]

Yes, he said, that's the reason they're breaking up. And I'm like, we saw.

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, Mossimo just said that too. He said, oh, so then that's why John is going. No, it was his idea.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, because. And you could tell that it was because he was emailing people like, I'm not having. No offense, Drake, asu or U of A.

[Heather McDonald]

It was U of A she wanted to go to.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm not having my daughters go to U of A. That's a party school where all the rich kids go and. And they don't learn anything. And he was, like, dogging U of A, which is a great school, and it was all coming from him. Now he's blaming her for the stupid rowing photos.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen, she didn't go to usc. He did. And when he was there, he did something very deceptive, too. He was, like, living in the frat house. They did not know that he actually wasn't enrolled. He took the enrollment money and he started to build his first clothing company, which actually is super smart. Genius, but it's still deceptive.

[Julie Goldman]

So he was like a fraternity and was not enrolled in usc.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, that's what, that's the rumor that I heard. They thought he was enrolled. Like he took, like he was there for one semester, then he took the next semester behind his parents back. But then he built this great thing so that he's like, I have good news and bad news. I'm not going to graduate, but I'm, you know, a millionaire, whatever. And he's very, very successful. But it, but John Stamos says he's a total narcissist and that's the way he's been. And she's just done putting up with it. But 100%, as someone who went to USC, it makes, if I. It makes a lot more sense that the alumni who is he, or even if he didn't graduate, went there and had fun, would be more excited to have his daughter go there, go to the games there, then get on a plane and go to U of A, go to Tucson and have her go there. And she doesn't know because she was acting her whole life. So I don't even know that she went to college. So she doesn't get the whole thing. And she probably did just go along with it.

[Julie Goldman]

It's clearly home. Clearly.

[Heather McDonald]

And also the teacher at the high school that they went to, she said that he like, was threatening and was like, don't you this up for us. Because the teacher, the counselor was like, we don't have a rowing team. So like, I don't know how you can say that your daughter is rowing when we don't have a rowing team here.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, that's the east coast thing.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandi Howard]

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[Julie Goldman]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Heather McDonald]

You know, when you hear all this and you're like, well, maybe I just need to do what Diane von Furstenberg did. She said, quote, I married two gay men, okay? I don't know why, but to me, they're not gay, so it doesn't make any difference. So her first husband was gay, and then she got married again. And just recently, that second husband, who is Barry Diller, came out as gay at like 80. Who was the other one? I don't know. Some other gay.

[Julie Goldman]

Good for Diane von Furstenberg.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, you're in the fashion industry. Who the fuck are you going to meet?

[Julie Goldman]

Exactly?

[Heather McDonald]

And by the way, Mossimo is in the fashion industry. Who knows?

[Brandi Howard]

The lavender marriage is so interesting to me. And as a gay person, I, I get. I just. There, there is a thing, though, where I'm like, she doesn't care. But then I think, what must it. I.

[Julie Goldman]

I hope her next husband's Andy Cohen.

[Brandi Howard]

But then you're like, you are. You're never going to be enough for that person. You're never enough. There's something that everyone's disassociated in it. Like, for me, it gets real, real. And it's like, it's all cute and funny and fun for everyone, but when you really think about it, she's never enough for them.

[Julie Goldman]

For the guy.

[Brandi Howard]

For the guy. He is gay. You will never satisfy the entirety of him. And if that's okay with you, then I guess that's okay. But when you really get down to the nitty gritty of it, it's quite painful. Yeah. And I don't know. And so there's just like, where I. Because I just read that and she was just like, I married two Gay men. And I don't care. They're not gay to me. You're in a disassociated state, lady. You are in a. Now, you can be best friends and you can have a great relationship and all that's awesome and beautiful, but at the end of the day, there is something missing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandi Howard]

Maybe not for you. Maybe you don't care about sex and romance and affection and physical love. I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

You don't know what you're missing. That's all.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, I think it's slightly problematic to say they're not gay to me. Well, they're gay.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah. Well, that's the other thing, too, then. Now we're dismissing his whole entire identity, Right? And not just his identity, but who his romantic and sexual feelings are for. If there's just something so, like, disassociated and weird about it. And it's not that they can't be, like I said, be best friends. Have your plutonic life if that's what you. But. But I can assure you he's not having a plutonic life. Someone's missing out, and I think that's fucking upsetting.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, here's some new news. Something fun to look Forward to. Billy McFarlane, who tried to do the Fire Festival.

[Julie Goldman]

Fire.

[Heather McDonald]

Fire Festival got caught. There was a famous documentary about it. He did his time. Then he came out and said, there is going to be a Fyre Festival, too. And then we need to hear about it. Well, he's moved on now. There's. There's going to be Phoenix. There's an Phoenix festival. There's an island called Phoenix.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, God.

[Heather McDonald]

And he's announcing the first artist. They're coming. Everybody get your tickets. Everybody's doing Instagrams and reels about it. And this is. This is absolutely happening. I have investors and I'm like.

[Julie Goldman]

They all want it to be another fire so they can flex clout Chase, have the baloney on the paper plate with the lettuce blowing off in the hurricane freeze. I mean, like, I don't know where Phoenix is. I thought, for some reason I thought of regular Phoenix and I was like, are they going to, like, Havasu?

[Heather McDonald]

No. He's like, this is where the stage is there. He's on a beach. This is where the stage is gonna be. This. And if you want, you could have a separate this happen that. Like, why would you, anybody ever, whether you're an artist or not, ever think that this person is gonna. Look, we never had Fyre Festival 2. What happened with that?

[Julie Goldman]

No, Exactly. He needs to get Kendall Jenner, Bella Hadid. Get them all on the waverunners again. Going through the water.

[Heather McDonald]

Do the exact same in the water.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, that exact campaign. Just be like, we're here, Leo. Ja Rule, Ludacris. Get them all.

[Heather McDonald]

It's always Ja Rule. Yeah. Also okay. Real Housewives of Miami. Do you know the. The wretched thing? So Adriana had said to Kiki, Kiki was making fun of her being old, and she goes, why do you have to be so ratchet? And of course, everyone's like, oh, my God. How could you call a woman of color ratchet? That is like. Everyone knows that's, like, horrible. And now. And then she. Then the next day, she goes, because English is not my first language. I was trying to say wretched. Like, you're being mean. You're being wretched. And then Marisol confesses on the couch at the reunion. I gave her that idea. I figured it out that that would make pretty good sense, that maybe someone who is not perfect in English would mess up two words. But. So that was pretty good that she, like, exposed her on that. But she didn't care. She was just like, no, that's not true. Whatever. But it seems like Kiki doesn't care.

[Julie Goldman]

No, Kiki's. Kiki's good.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

I think she's got, like, a good head on her shoulders. The reaction of the entire table was, if you guys haven't seen it, you have to go back, because it's like she calls her Ratchet, and, like, Gertie screams. She's like, ah. Like, they. They all die.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's.

[Julie Goldman]

I watched it a hundred times. Like, it's so great. Like, the. The in sync reaction to her calling her ratchet. But it was a great idea. But of course, Marisol then immediately busted her out and said it wasn't. It was fake. Yeah, I went and listened to it too. It does sound like she's saying wretched.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's kind of genius in Marisol because it shows that she was like, let me help my dumb friend, and thought of. And was trying to be helpful. But then when Adrianna was still horrible bitch to Marisol throughout the rest of the season, she's like, fuck that. I'm pulling that out of my vagina at the reunion and throwing it up. That's. That's one bone that's been stuck up there that's gonna come out.

[Julie Goldman]

Get the bone collector in that vagina.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

She said, you have to be cool to me. Leave me alone for two Years don't say my knees are saggy or whatever.

[Brandi Howard]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

She didn't know. And then she said, I'm getting knee surgery. She's like, I'd had to start wearing nylons. You made me feel so bad about it. And it's like, yeah, that's the thing. When people point out when you're in the limelight and whether you read it online or whatever, like at your show, they have Billy the Tricycle riding puppet from the Saw movies in your show. And I immediately said, oh, look, I made an appearance. I did it because I remember the first time I saw a tweet. I was at Chelsea lately. It was like, 2010, where someone's like, heather looks like that puppet Billy or Jigsaw, some people. Jigsaw?

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Who's Billy then?

[Julie Goldman]

I think that's Billy and Jigsaw.

[Brandi Howard]

Billy Bush.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah. Henry Jigsaw. And I was like, oh, my God. It's funny. I embraced it. So when other people make fun of me for that, I'm like, you're not really gonna win on that because I've already embraced it as myself and, like, literally even wrote it in my second book. Like, yeah, I get it. The. But these cheeks are my cheeks then, you know. But a lot of people that get facial work done can look like Jigsaw or they can look like that puppet lady. That puppet lady.

[Julie Goldman]

That Janice.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, that puppet lady with it. They fill too much here.

[Brandi Howard]

Yep.

[Julie Goldman]

The one that plays the rock star one.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. But you know when someone's filled their cheeks too much when from the back of them, you see the cheek coming out.

[Brandi Howard]

There's also madam.

[Heather McDonald]

We might have. Yeah. And so. Yeah, but sometimes someone will say that. And you're like, I never even knew that. I did. And you're like, the resemblance is uncanny. Like, I do kind of look like that.

[Julie Goldman]

But then we start loving him. Now we love Jigsaw. We think he's cute.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I love it. And he's never going away. And. And then when people call, like, Kris Jenner that or Joan Rivers, I'm like, excuse me. I was the original.

[Julie Goldman]

I've been seeing it lately around. I'm like, that's Heather.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Dare they. That's how they're fucking thing. Like, it's not Kris Jenner.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, let me see what else I want to talk about. This is kind of juicy with these kids. So Ben Stiller's kids called out the actor for being absent during their childhood. We came last. The comments on here were great because it's like, yeah, that's what dad. That's what parents have to do. They have to work. Yes. When you're a movie star, you're. You're gone for a sin to time. But same with. If you're in the military, it is really hard. It's not ideal that you're not at dinner every night. You know, I'm sure they've done studies where you have dinner every night. As a family, you probably are the least dysfunctional. Unless people are throwing food at each other, which often happens. But. But I'm just saying, like. And so I just thought that was kind of funny. Like, you know, you can't now complain about the fact that this is the case.

[Julie Goldman]

You have how many? Five. You're a kid of five.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

Did you guys have dinner every night?

[Heather McDonald]

We actually did. And. But it would be very late because my parents would be working in real estate. I didn't realize it was late until I had friends over and they're like, where's dinner? I'm like, I don't know. We're eating when, like my mom's making it when it's down like 8:39. Oh, wow. And I never knew that, like normal people. I remember one time I saw on Good Times, they were like Thanksgiving, they're like, dinner's at 4 and I'm 4. Even Thanksgiving, we'd have it like 8 at night.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, that's the classic one. Because the mom's behind. You're like, when's the food coming out? It's ten o'clock at. At night.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Now, of course, we eat earlier and yeah. We are not like a big sit down the table family. And I was always like, oh my God, that's so bad. But then at a certain point I'm like, yeah, but we do a lot of other things together that people don't do.

[Julie Goldman]

I don't think that dinner is the. Because you had some. Just. You have some. Some cookies for Cocoa Puffs in the fam.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, you're right. We did have dinner every night.

[Julie Goldman]

Dinner every night.

[Heather McDonald]

We had a hot plate that you'd plug in and you put all the food in the middle so it would stay hot.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, that's nice.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. No one ever does that.

[Julie Goldman]

That's nice.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So. Because like my dad liked the. Yeah. I don't know. My mom would make a full. Pretty much a full dinner all the time. When she started to work more, maybe we'd get a little more like once in a while, like a Kenneth Fried Chicken.

[Julie Goldman]

She's tired. She did real Estate all day. She doesn't need to come cook for all the ungrateful kids.

[Heather McDonald]

Speaking of Thanksgiving, I remember when I was living next door to her, I was having a big Thanksgiving, and the first year, I was like, okay, mom, you need to do a turkey, and I need to do a turkey. Like, we don't have enough, so we did it all. And then the next year. And I'm like, oh, and you're gonna do your famous turkey. Because hers was so good. And she's like, oh, honey, I don't want to. And I'm like, but, mom, you love cooking. She goes, no, I don't. And I go, what? No, I don't love cooking. I want to show up and have a glass of wine and talk to people and not worry about one thing. Like, I'm. I'm 68 or whatever she was at the time, at 70. Why can't I do that? And I was like, oh, my God. I just assumed because you were good at it.

[Julie Goldman]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

That you, like, loved it.

[Julie Goldman]

We all have that moment where we're like, wow, I've never gotten to know you. What are your interests? What's your middle name again? Like, it's. It's so weird because you think they're just doing it, and it's. But it's. That's how we love moms, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. So, okay, here's the juicy thing. This is, according to people, A billionaire fashion CEO fell 320ft to his death during a hike. And now his son is reportedly being investigated by police.

[Brandi Howard]

Ooh.

[Heather McDonald]

So the son of Isaac Andic, he's founder of the fashion giant Mango, they were on a hike and he fell. And the hike thing is so juicy. So good, because there's been a few. The most tragic one was a. A family. A dad was on a hike with, like, or brought his kid somewhere, and there was a dispute about child support and things like that, and they took him to court thinking that he ended his child's life. That was horrible. But, you know, it's. It's such a. Like, there's no. There's no cameras there. There's cameras on every corner, but there's no cameras on this hike. And if there's nobody else around and you're with an older guy, who's to say that he didn't lose his footing?

[Julie Goldman]

Yep. There's a classic one. I mean, literally, cue the hulu doc in 3, 2, 1. Let's turn it on.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, are we really doing this?

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. Can't believe.

[Heather McDonald]

I can't believe I'm gonna finally talk about it.

[Brandi Howard]

We understand that you are.

[Heather McDonald]

Clap.

[Brandi Howard]

You were on the hike that day.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. And they're like, can we get the.

[Julie Goldman]

Can I turn the air?

[Heather McDonald]

It was weird because he. I remember him specifically saying, I'm 80. Why do I have to go on a hike with you, son? And they were having trouble, and the son said, dad, because it's one of those things we've never done together, and it's not hard and I know you'll like it. And it was weird because when he called, he was like, hey, call me back. Something happened to Dad. I didn't think there's anything big deal. And then I called him and he was like, yeah, he's been down there for four hours, three days. But the cell service wasn't good. But when I called him back, he had answered the phone.

[Julie Goldman]

Right. And was at an atm.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. With his wallet. He managed to get his dad's wallet before. He just was grabbing his wallet when he went over the thing.

[Brandi Howard]

We watched this show called 911 Brandy Turn. It's like all 911 calls and then a crime. Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Not the 911 TV scripted.

[Brandi Howard]

No, no, no. It's a real one.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

And it's like this where it's like. There's literally one where the guy's like.

[Julie Goldman]

It's a famous date line.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yes.

[Brandi Howard]

Hello. My girlfriend. She's. She. I think she's. I think she's.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know.

[Brandi Howard]

I think she's dead.

[Julie Goldman]

I don't understand.

[Brandi Howard]

I just. I was at the door for a half an hour and I was banging, and then I came in and she's been stabbed 20 times. And there's a knife sticking out of her heart. 20 times.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

And it's just like the dad at.

[Julie Goldman]

The bottom of the ring commit suicide.

[Heather McDonald]

And they just re. They just said that one. That's a hula, Doc. The death. Yeah. Death and apartment, whatever that they just did. Confirm again. No, it's suicide.

[Brandi Howard]

Stabbed 20 times. I stabbed myself 20 times in the back.

[Julie Goldman]

She's like this. Okay, hold on.

[Brandi Howard]

I don't wanna live. I can't spend one more day. Here, hold. Let me do this one. Oh, let me do that one. Let me stick the knife through my back, through my heart.

[Julie Goldman]

Sometimes I try to put, like, aloe vera when I get burned, and I'm like, can I reach it? Like, I'm gonna be able to stab myself back there.

[Heather McDonald]

It's impossible.

[Brandi Howard]

There's An. There's. There's a spot too, where I can't ever scratch. And it's. It's that one play. It's like I don't even know. It's like you can't. But if you can get it, it feels so good. But. Well, you can never get.

[Heather McDonald]

Don't try to get it with a knife.

[Brandi Howard]

Don't get it with a knife. But you know, that's what happened to the dad. They pushed the dad right in the ravine.

[Julie Goldman]

Cliff ones are genius.

[Brandi Howard]

Come on. I mean, they're never gonna find out.

[Julie Goldman]

He is genius. The cliff.

[Brandi Howard]

You just have to hope they die.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, the problem would be not into hiking. And I just. Yeah, you know what? If we want to go hike, what we'll do is we'll go on that tram. I want to do that this year. The tram in Palm Springs.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, we want to do 2.

[Heather McDonald]

Go on the tram, take the photos from there, and then go down on the tram and then go to like bar. What is it? Bar Sisial or Bar Issy? I don't know. These Palm Springs restaurants I want to go to.

[Julie Goldman]

It becomes clear about the time when Peter and Drake and Brandon decided your guys Christmas card was going to be out in Moab and. And then you guys went and like, went. It's so random for the Tobias McDonald clan to go. You guys, what, you hiked through like waterfalls and then took your Christmas card.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yes, that's in Utah where you have to wear those boots and stuff.

[Julie Goldman]

It took a full on hardcore hike. And even Julie and I were like, we were like, oh, yeah, do the hike. We're like, absolutely not. Like, we'll stand like on the street in front of the mountains.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, I know you didn't want to talk about this show that everyone's talking about on Netflix. Monster. What is it called?

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, the Neighbor.

[Heather McDonald]

No, not the Neighbor.

[Brandi Howard]

Ed Gein. Ed Gein. Monster. I haven't watched it yet.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay, no, I did want to talk about that.

[Brandi Howard]

You monster. Ed Gein.

[Julie Goldman]

I did want to talk about the Good Neighbor.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, well, the Good Neighbor I started to watch and I will watch that. But the. The. It's a scripted show about this guy who like, lived with his mother and he did really creepy crimes. And I don't even know. I don't know what the crimes were.

[Brandi Howard]

It's the first. He's the. He's the impetus for Psycho and for all the serial killers that have come since.

[Heather McDonald]

But what I saw, Leatherface, just the trailer is him. Yeah, it looks like a Woman. He's wearing a dress. And then someone rings the doorbell. He turns around and he has, like, the face of, like, another lot dead woman on his face. And I immediately thought it was the mother's face, but it's not. But I thought it was the mother's face. And I'm like, I don't think I should watch this because already Drake is like, wait, I'm figuring out a way to AI you so I don't have to do your. Do your things anymore. Like, you're not gonna AI my face on this. So literally, this is the. The 2025 version. He's gonna of AI ing your mom to still be around when she's not around.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, they're already. There are. They've already started working on stuff like where you record your voice and they're gonna put it in a. They're gonna put it in a AI thing so that you can always have.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, a bear or teddy bear or whatever.

[Brandi Howard]

Like, so your mom's voice is always there.

[Heather McDonald]

No, they are selling these teddy bears for, like. And they did it. Did it. Like, do you not have a boyfriend? Are you a lonely girl and it's a panda? No.

[Julie Goldman]

Here's Drake again. Just me cutting my mom and her friend, talking about pandas with dildos, doing a vibrator.

[Brandi Howard]

Just like, which one do you want?

[Heather McDonald]

Do you know it? Like, no, it, like, it actually, like, cuddles you. And it's supposed to know when you're sad. It'll, like, come over and, like, be like.

[Julie Goldman]

And like, are you sad, Julie?

[Brandi Howard]

I'm gonna have to get that. That sounds good.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, anyway, that's why you don't want to hike. Then there's also Devil.

[Brandi Howard]

We watched it. We watched the whole thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it good? A peacock?

[Brandi Howard]

So good.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, now for. I remember we had this. I remember seeing the book at my house and about his life, and it's a man in a clown costume because he used to do nice things and, like, go help sick kids and dress like a clown, which is what did not help the creepiness of clowns because he was a serial killer of young gay men and he kept their bodies and all this stuff. And because it was so long ago, being gay, you know, many of them had to hide it or whatever, so he would, like, solicit at them at bars or whatnot or try to get them. And also, again, people just didn't search for people like they did back then. And especially men got kidnapped. Especially young men.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, I have to say. And this Is very dark. Like it was in. I think it was in 1976. There's a point where. And there's all these. They use real. In this show, the scripted show, because there's also a documentary of the same name which we're about to watch, just not at night. But they use all these real photos. Every victim, they show real photo. And then they show all these crime scene photos, not of just of the house. There was a point in time where they were just the cops and it's in Chicago are like taking out body after body. Like 30 corpses under his house. And I was legitimately, to my core, sad that that didn't just happen. I was like, can you imagine if, like, we saw them pulling 30 bodies?

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, like currently in the middle of.

[Julie Goldman]

The news, like in 2025, we be.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, oh, my God.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, that is so crazy that in 1976, like, the whole nation was like, seeing them take body after body. Some of them were. Had been under there for like 20 years or something. They weren't, you know, bloody or anything. But 30 corpses the guy had under his house.

[Heather McDonald]

I remember listening to some podcast where the. The guy, like, went and was talking to him. There was tapes of him talking to him.

[Brandi Howard]

That's what the next documentary is. Yeah, it's just him talking. Wow. I can't wait. It's so good. It's so sad. It's so good.

[Heather McDonald]

So this was sent to me and this is from Tick Tock called the Cliff Knots. The Cliff Notes gal. Sorry, the Cliff Notes Gal. And she said this was sent to her and it's a story out of Scotland about how this girl was pregnant with her boyfriend's baby.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, this is crazy. And this is just crazy. Julie's gonna die.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. So cute girl. They show her pregnant. They have a baby shower. You're going to reveal the whole thing.

[Julie Goldman]

She's in white, pregnant stomach, like, very tight dress, bald, pregnant stomach.

[Heather McDonald]

But by the time the baby's born, she's like, I don't want the baby daddy here. They're fighting whatever. She gives birth to the baby. She says that the baby had a heart condition and was born early. And, like, sends photos and stuff. And then the.

[Brandi Howard]

They.

[Heather McDonald]

They do the boy. The boyfriend, baby daddy does get to see the child. They go to the doctor's appointment, but she's like, he cannot be in the doctor's appointment with me. Or she doesn't let him come. And people are seeing the baby and everything.

[Julie Goldman]

Newborn baby. Pictures of like, a very newborn preemie all wrapped up in a blanket in a bassinet.

[Heather McDonald]

And then. And the parents of the baby daddy are seeing the baby. And then one of her friends or something was there and realized that she was just like on her phone, like flickering around while the baby was in the little bassinet over there.

[Julie Goldman]

And then showed that first, let me say this. The mom first, the mom of the ex boyfriend, the father of the baby was like, why is the baby so cold and never moves? That was one of the things I read. Why is the baby so cold and never moves?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh. And then she said, oh, she just has a cold. Yeah, we just went to the doctor. And so finally somebody's like, really investigates. And it is one of those dolls that look just like a real baby that you could order for, like, I don't know, a few hundred dollars or something. And so. And this girl allegedly also had faked cancer before she faked her fake baby doll.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, Brooks. Brooks is right for me.

[Brandi Howard]

Yeah. So this pregnant. The pregnant stomach was just fake?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. The baby was fake, though.

[Julie Goldman]

And the baby was giving realism. Honey, I want one.

[Heather McDonald]

But before it all came out, she did tell the boyfriend and the family that sadly the primo baby had died. But she felt like it was coming to the end. But so it was a little confusing. I don't know how they really found out because she did say that, that the baby did die. And so of course that wasn't true either because the baby never existed. She never was pregnant. She never had cancer. She never gave birth. The baby never was cold. The baby was one of those dolls.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, we've seen the dolls in the magazine. You know, they don't. They don't advertise them anymore. But I'm obsessed with those dolls.

[Heather McDonald]

There was a version of a monkey doll. Oh, so it's like a baby monkey that you could have.

[Julie Goldman]

And it looked great.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

And then.

[Heather McDonald]

And I follow the girls that are like, I follow this one girl who has all the kids and they. You can get a baby, but you can also get them like toddler size and stuff.

[Julie Goldman]

And then she's like, oh, you've showed that to us.

[Heather McDonald]

Get ready with me while I make my three kids lunch. This is hard being a mom. And she's like cutting up the cucumbers and then they each get served. And she's like, grandpa came over today. And grandpa's like, hi. And I'm like, oh, my God, if this is your daughter, I guess you're just like, you know what? We will have to support her for the rest of her life. And we just, you know, remember when.

[Julie Goldman]

She dragged them all to the beach? It's like, now you've got four dolls on the beach getting all sandy and it's hot. And they love. Grandpa has to go.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, they love the waves. No, don't you be careful, Timmy. Yeah, be careful.

[Brandi Howard]

I want the monkey one.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, it's pretty cute.

[Brandi Howard]

Do you remember Mon Chi Chi?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, so soft and cuddly with his hand in his mouth. It's really neat.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, munchy munchichi. Yeah, I love munchy. So Kylie is, I guess, going to have a song out. And she said, it's been my dream to always do pop music. And she's doing this interview and she's being kind of fun and sarcastic and me like, no, I think I have the best voice of anyone. Like, she really came off pretty nice and cute anyway when she said, this is something I've wanted my whole life. I can attest to that truth.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Because one of the first times that I hung out with the Kardashians, we watched came over for a taping of Skating with Celebrities. I was pregnant with Brandon.

[Julie Goldman]

And I.

[Heather McDonald]

Went to it and it was at their house before their Hidden Hills house. And Chris had gotten all this catered food. It was out on like platters and we're just having like, you know, like whatever, like some Italian food. Watching it. And then it was a house that had like a little like a speaker system on it, like a kind of an older situation. And Kylie got on there and was like, come upstairs. The show's about to start. And we come upstairs and upstairs is a pool table room that they had and Kylie is there in this adorable, like belly dancing outfit.

[Julie Goldman]

Was she like five?

[Heather McDonald]

She's yeah, like seven or eight.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And she stands on. Maybe it wasn't a pool table, but she stood on something. She was high up and she danced to Shakira and she was doing her hips and everything. And I just thought it was adorable. And then Kaitlyn Bruce at the time goes, okay, I think this is enough. Because it was, you know, it was kind of a sexy dance.

[Julie Goldman]

But hips don't lie, baby.

[Heather McDonald]

It was hipstone lie. And like, Kim thought it was hilarious and they all thought it was great. And so I'm like, yeah, she wants to sing. She has a nice voice. Why the not good for her?

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Heather McDonald]

It's supposedly, watch out, Shakira.

[Julie Goldman]

It's King Kylie every, I guess all over TikTok.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't understand the King Kylie thing. When they go, it's your King Kylie era. I don't get that.

[Julie Goldman]

Because in 2016, remember when she had the teal hair?

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Julie Goldman]

She went through an era where she had teal hair. It was really cute. Now she's doing pink. But apparently on Tik Tok, there's a whole nostalgia for 2016, which we love.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Julie Goldman]

That was really. We really peaked in 2016. So I'm thrilled to go back to it. Okay. This top knot that I constantly do, which is from Kim when she broke the Internet with the champagne with her butt.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

From the COVID of. What was that name of that magazine. So I want paper. Oh, yeah, paper. We want all the 2016 isms coming back. So she did King Kylie. That was when she did the lip kit.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Julie Goldman]

She has since sold the lip kit to Cody Brands and it hasn't done as well. She's bringing. She's doing another collab or something. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

She did some pop up and had a big party and she wore pink and a pink wig.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. So now she's bringing back King Kylie because she's doing the makeup again. And now she's saying. And it's on that. On a song that I love. So it's like over a song that was really popular in the pandemic. I think it's all great. Plus, I love her voice.

[Heather McDonald]

If you.

[Julie Goldman]

Her videos, especially what she does with Stormy where she'll be like, let's make cookies. And it's like asmr. Like, you're like, oh, God, she's so soothing. She has a really soft Larsa Pippin kind of. Oh, yeah. Like, I'm just upset with you, Lisa. They never raise their voice.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And she does seem like she's a really great mom.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

JoJo Siwa is at it again. She's out singing and she wrote all. She's like, listen to the words of the song. It's all about my life. And in it, it's like her voice is raspy. And she actually says that. Who changes more than she? Because she's still with the guy.

[Julie Goldman]

Ooh.

[Heather McDonald]

But seeing her sing and dance.

[Brandi Howard]

I.

[Heather McDonald]

Think the guy could be a phase.

[Brandi Howard]

It's shocking. It's truly unbelievable. I mean, I do have to say she is young. So young that, you know, you gotta try everything.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandi Howard]

You know, And I don't, of course.

[Heather McDonald]

But entertaining. And she never stops working. So I'm impressed with her.

[Julie Goldman]

While they were in the house, she's a hard worker. I could see them both being like, let's dabble let's touch privates. Let's hump on each other's legs. The second they get out and she starts to sing and dance, I thought that's when he'd be like, yeah, I think I'm good. Because the singing and dancing is not sexy.

[Brandi Howard]

It is not sexy at all. So I don't really understand what both either. I don't understand what either of them are.

[Julie Goldman]

They wake up in the bed together and like, I don't know, the romantic.

[Brandi Howard]

Like, his arm up and her. They're on Big Brother and, well, they've been posting things on Instagram.

[Julie Goldman]

They've been out, but it's just sort.

[Brandi Howard]

Of like I look at her and I imagine myself with a man. And I go, it's not. I mean, it's not entirely. But then you just go, how? It's just. That's what it looks like to me. Like, she's like, good morning.

[Heather McDonald]

I saw a really funny. This lesbian watching Dancing with the Stars, and there was some dancer on there with, like, shirtless that was just so hot. And she put over there, like, when you're a lesbian but you watch this Dancing with the Stars guy, you could tell, like, her girlfriend was next to her and she's like, huh. And she just keeps watching it, like she's duetting it. It was so funny.

[Brandi Howard]

It's just so.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know what they're.

[Brandi Howard]

What do you think is good? I mean, I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, let's talk about their own Real Housewives of New York. The reboot was tragic and weird and boring and never caught on. But now, according to the rumors, which are nothing's confirmed that Aaron Leechy, who, of course, we knew that if there. If anyone was going to stay, she'd stay. And SAI are the only two coming back to whatever Real Housewife of New York is going to be. And then in one of the things I read, they're like, oh. And they're also looking at a celebrity makeup artist that used to date John Gosling. I'm like, wait, what? No, that cannot be a real housewive. First of all, I don't. I don't know. With the celebrity makeup artist. No, that's not. You need to be. I don't know. So where did it.

[Julie Goldman]

Didn't they live in, like, Chicago or Minneapolis? Where did. They didn't live in New York? Did they jog?

[Heather McDonald]

Gosling And I know it's such a weird article. That's what I'm saying. I don't even know if it's True. But I don't know if they're gonna bring back a bunch of new people. We know that Brynn is not coming back. And for. Because she said I'm not. But. Yeah. I don't know if. What's her name? The. The lesbian. The J. Crew lesbian.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, Jenna. Lionel.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel like I don't even listen.

[Julie Goldman]

Like tragic, treacherous trash. The old cast.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't even remember these people. Like Jessel. Remember when her husband was trying to be a stand up comic and be funny all the time and eat during therapy zoom sessions. And those sticks. I could not handle those sticks of that guy. That he was the worst. I don't know. I just feel like. Will they possibly bring in a couple golden.

[Julie Goldman]

They need to, but they can't.

[Heather McDonald]

With the same. You're. There's no way that someone who's like 60 is going to truly be friends and want to hang out and die laughing with someone who's like 40.

[Julie Goldman]

They did hang out with Tinsley, though. And now that was a while ago, but they did mesh well. I thought Tinsley brought a good energy. I'm like at this point, go off to Chateau. What is Rinda's dumb house called?

[Brandi Howard]

Oh, Bluestone Manor.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, Bluestone Manor. Just resurrect the Christmas sweaters.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I tell you something right now, Granny, everybody loves Bluestone Manor. And when I had the girls there and I cooked, I cleaned, I made it nice, and I did that, and everyone loves it. That's why I'm gonna do a raffle and one lucky person. The Raffle tickets are $2,000 each, but one lucky person's gonna come and hang out for me for Halloween. And Blue Stone Manor.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. Like, honestly, get either. Do a girls trip every three weeks, but get them out to Bluestone Manor. Get Jill Zarin setting Dorinda off because Dorinda can't take Jill.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God, they hate each other. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, honestly, I'm fine with get them all back. I mean, I know Ramona wouldn't do it.

[Heather McDonald]

No. I don't know that they hate each other, but whatever it would be.

[Brandi Howard]

And get Brandi Glanville back on.

[Heather McDonald]

I bet. Who really knows when this is going to be? Like, I feel like years have gone.

[Julie Goldman]

By since I saw so boring and dumb.

[Brandi Howard]

I'm not.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't even care. Okay, well, I think that we can wrap it up, girls. Oh, well, what a fun time. So where can they buy tickets, our San Francisco friends? If there's even any left.

[Brandi Howard]

If you want to see a nightmare on Strip street in San Francisco at the Great Star Theater. You can only get tickets on Fever. I believe it's an app or a website. Fever.com. yeah. A nightmare on Strip Street.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. San Francisco. Anywhere in the Bay Area. We had people that have come from, like, Fresno, you know, Sacramento, all around.

[Brandi Howard]

It plays through November 2nd.

[Heather McDonald]

And then, of course, the podcast is dumb. Gay podcast.

[Brandi Howard]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

You guys do a lot of different funny, lighter stuff on Patreon. So people love your Patreon and they go to what website to sign up for all that stuff.

[Brandi Howard]

Go to julianbrandi.com and then you can come find us on Patreon. Yeah, you want to find us on Patreon.

[Heather McDonald]

That's where it's at. Definitely that's where it's at. And if you are still debating and you happen to be going to Vegas or you haven't made your decision, get your tickets now. I know. I've been saying that. We know. We really are almost sold out. We will sell out.

[Julie Goldman]

I just had my. My parents look and there's like, five tickets left. And I was annoyed because I got this email from, like, StubHub.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

That had Sabrina Carpenter at the top, and I was like, oh, let me see what's doing. So Sabrina Carpenter, like, do they have any pits? And then your. The show at BravoCon or the show in Vegas, the weekend of BravoCon is right underneath. And I'm like, they are really trying it, knowing full damn well there's only five tickets left for this. So good luck. I'm telling you guys, that thing is pretty much sold out. So you got to get on there if you want the tickets.

[Heather McDonald]

I am so just being with you guys in the last 24 hours has just made me that much more excited to do this show, and I can't wait for people to see it and experience it. And so you go to heathermcdall.net for that. I also want to tell people Juicy Crimes is a free podcast that drops up drops every Wednesday. Some people are confused because I was saying subscribe. Well, we want you to subscribe so that it pops up and you remember it so it is there for you. And also it has their own YouTube as well. So that's every Wednesday. Heather McDonald.net will direct you to everything. And thank you to the beautiful Battery. The Battery San Francisco Hotel. And the diet. The restaurant. Incredible. So good. That work is called the Woolsey Woolsery. Sorry. Drake's.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, where am I? I wasn't sure I was in another world.

[Heather McDonald]

Whatever. The restaurant inside of this place is incredible.

[Brandi Howard]

The porterhouse steak was one of the best things I've ever had. And it's sitting. The bone sitting in the fridge waiting for the dogs. Can't wait for me. Meaning me.

[Julie Goldman]

I just want to throw in really quick. There is a couple very, very, very juicy stories only to be heard at at the Vegas show. You guys, it's really gonna be annoying that Heather's never gonna let us repeat these stories. Heather's stories. We beg her to. No matter where we're at, whatever lunch, we're like, heather, tell this story. And she's going to do it at. At that show. So, like, get in, because it's like the circle of trust.

[Heather McDonald]

Y. Yep. Thank you. Love you.

[Brandi Howard]

Bye.

[Heather McDonald]

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