Brandy and Julie on Alex Cooper, Bravo Cheating Affairs and Hookers

Summary

Juicy Scoop Podcast Summary: Brandy and Julie on Alex Cooper, Bravo Cheating Affairs, and Hookers

Podcast: Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
Episode Air Date: April 23, 2026
Host: Heather McDonald
Guests: Brandy & Julie (from Dumb Gay Politics)
Episode Focus: Pop culture scandals, Bravo TV drama, podcast industry feuds, cheating affairs, and the portrayal of “hookers” in media

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Main Theme/Overview

This episode is a classic, fast-paced Juicy Scoop deep dive into current pop culture controversies and Bravo TV dish. Heather is joined by Brandy and Julie for a no-holds-barred, hilarious chat touching on podcast drama involving Alex Cooper, recent cheating scandals on Bravo shows, the persistent “hooker” trope in media, and their takes on the newest Real Housewives casts, including the wild Rhode Island spinoff and Ladies of London. The trio’s tone is sharp, irreverent, and full of comedic banter, with Brandy and Julie’s signature salty take on everything from media feuds to reality TV’s moral double standards.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Brandy & Julie’s Return and Brand Clarification (01:51–03:22)

• Heather jokes about public rumors they've fallen out (“there’s been a lot of rumors going around that I may have lost two friends and it’s not true...”).
• Brandy & Julie clear up confusion about “two cunts in a zoom,” a misattributed podcast name (02:26).
• The duo clarify their actual show isn’t filmed on Zoom and riff on their favorite fictional podcast episodes for comedic effect.

2. Makeup Fails and “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane” Tangent (04:07–06:06)

• Brandy talks about a dramatic makeup meltdown that made her look like a Baby Jane character – leading to banter about the movie’s plot and the Ryan Murphy series “Feud.”
• Memorable moment: “I tried to overline my lips... blue eyeshadow... and you can also watch it on Feud...” (05:07, Brandy)

3. The Alex Cooper/Alex Earle Saga & Podcast Industry Tea (06:39–17:15)

• Comprehensive breakdown of the fallout between podcast superstars Alex Cooper ("Call Her Daddy") and Alex Earle:
  • Alex Earle leaves Cooper’s “Unwell” network under murky circumstances.
  • Speculation: Did political differences, bad management, or money prompt the rift?
  • Heather: “This is not a great week for Alex Cooper. It seems to be the majority of people are kind of team Alex Earle.” (10:22)
  • Brandy: “Supposedly Alex Earl was only making a million... her dad was like, she’s not going to make 160 [million]...” (10:42)
  • Discussion of workplace culture at Unwell—allegations of verbal abuse by Cooper’s husband.
  • Debate about whether the feud is PR-driven or rooted in deeper conflict.
  • Heather defends Cooper as a hard worker, but notes the bad press might stick.
• Notable quotable: Heather’s Alex Cooper impression – “Hello, daddy gang. I’m sucking dick so hard...” (15:28, Heather)

4. Social Media Mishaps: Flight Attendant Story (22:51–25:05)

• Viral TikTok from a flight attendant: Alex Cooper once posted her photo mocking her, leading to cyberbullying, while Alex Earle was warm and supportive upon meeting.
• Discussion on the responsibility of influencers when dealing with everyday people.
  • Heather: “I can’t believe the poor judgment of taking a photo...” (23:51)
  • Brandy: "Even a bigger cunt knows to edit that." (25:03, Julie)

5. “Cheating and Double Standards” on Bravo (32:01–56:59)

• Real Housewives of Rhode Island and Summer House: Serial cheating, messy relationships, and who the “real” villains are:
  • Juxtaposition: In reality TV, even after major scandals (except murder/pedophilia), most people are welcomed back.
  • Julie: "You could be a hooker, a massive cheater, do a Ponzi scheme—you could do it all." (35:18)
• Detailed analysis of Summer House’s Kyle/Amanda/West cheating triangle:
  • Brandy argues Kyle is the “real victim”—upset he's not getting the same sympathy as women in similar scandals (e.g., Sandoval/Ariana).
  • Julie: “They are users of women…complete little misogynist little pig.” (54:42)
• Broader musings on how Bravo and reality TV handle illicit behavior and the public’s shifting standards.

6. Sex Work, Hookers & Media Stereotypes (43:48–47:57)

• Why do people always blame the woman (the “hooker”) in scandals? Discussion of legal, social, and pop culture biases.
  • “Who gets arrested? The hooker...that’s what I always thought...if I was ever gonna be a cop, I only wanted to be doing undercover vice." (Heather, 44:04)
• Hilarious take on Pretty Woman’s legacy: “She was sucking dirty dicks off Sunset Boulevard living...we all thought it was fine!” (Heather, 44:58)
• OnlyFans as the “modern hooker” route: “If she’s on OnlyFans, she don’t need Richard Gere at that point...” (Julie, 46:01)
• Comic reflection on gold-digging for free meals in dating (“get that shellfish before you leave!” Heather, 47:35)

7. Bravo’s Casting, New Shows, and London vs. Rhode Island (59:25–84:28)

• Overview and critique of RH of Rhode Island:
  • Wild first episodes full of cheating, rumors, and messy relationships – “I have never seen any house...more cheating and the cheating rumors, the actual cheating, the affairs, all of it.” (Heather, 59:45)
  • Brandy and Julie admit they were overwhelmed but eventually became fans after a second viewing.
• Contrast with Ladies of London:
  • Not as heavy or scandal-driven—“It’s more fun, less big drama...low stakes.” (Heather, 80:41)
  • Praise for the unique British cast and humor.
• Criticism of “Bravo face” (overdone cosmetic surgery) and American casting trends ("They all look alike!” Brandy, 81:12)

8. Shifting Alliances and Changing Opinions

• Much discussion about how fan and cast perceptions shift:
  • “You can change your mind...I’ll literally change my mind about someone from one hour to the next.” (Julie, 37:31)
• Changing affection for Bravo stars ("I used to really dislike Dorit—like her now!” Julie, 72:50)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On call her daddy drama:
  “It seems to be the majority of the people are kind of team Alex Earl. What do you guys Think?”
  —Heather (10:22)
• On influencer responsibility:
  “I can’t believe the poor judgment of taking a photo...that was really, really poor judgment.”
  —Heather (23:51)
• On reality TV redemption:
  “Everything else, you can be a grifter. You could be a hooker. You could be a massive cheater. You could do a Ponzi scheme, you could do it all.”
  —Julie (35:18)
• On Pretty Woman:
  “She was sucking dirty dicks off Sunset Boulevard living. And it was like, I remember watching it…”
  —Heather (44:58)
• On shifting reality TV loyalties:
  “You can change your mind...I’ll literally change my mind about someone from one hour to the next.”
  —Julie (37:31)

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Segment Timestamps

• [01:51] Brandy & Julie’s return / “Two Cunts in a Zoom” clarification
• [06:39–17:15] Deep dive: Alex Cooper, Alex Earle, Unwell Network drama
• [22:51–25:05] Viral flight attendant story: Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earle behavior
• [32:01–56:59] Reality TV cheating affairs: Summer House, Bravo double standards
• [43:48–47:57] Hooker trope in media, cultural double standards, Pretty Woman dissection
• [59:25–84:28] Real Housewives of Rhode Island, Bravo casting trends, Ladies of London, reality TV stakes

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• Unfiltered and irreverent with cutting humor and raw perspectives.
• Celebration of changing opinions and evolving public tastes (“the great thing about reality tv...I’ll change my mind from one hour to the next”).
• Deep skepticism toward influencer culture, reality TV casting, and public double standards, especially around women, cheating, and sex work.
• Panel is team messy reality TV—they cheer scandal as escapism, not moral lessons.

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Best For

Fans seeking:

• A catch-up on podcast industry scandals (Alex Cooper, Alex Earle)
• The latest, spiciest Bravo tea and unvarnished, funny takes on cheating affairs
• Smart, raunchy commentary on sex work in media
• Honest, evolving opinions on reality TV personalities

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Endnote:
Stick around for more Bravo talk and pop culture scoops on the Juicy Scoop Patreon and follow Brandy & Julie for their unique “dumb gay politics” perspective and live shows.

Transcript

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandy]

Listen up.

[Heather McDonald]

Panda McDonald's juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. You guys, there's been a lot of rumors going around that I may have lost two friends and it's not true. They are back. We are good friends. They never hated me. Branny and Julie from Dumb Gay Politics back with me and the studio and so excited to have you guys here. Welcome to do the show. We're going to talk some shit. We're going to get a cute lunch after. Let's go.

[Julie]

So happy. And I want to just do the reveal now. Yes, that I know that it's been a thing and you just floated it but we are two cunts from two cunts in a zoom. It's us.

[Heather McDonald]

I was. I was afraid there might be a mix up but yesterday I did mention two cunts in a Zoom. And sadly, some people went to go look for it. And their eyes will never be the same because it takes you to three cuts in a zoom.

[Julie]

Zoom, I would imagine.

[Heather McDonald]

And no, two cuts in a zoom. Yeah, it's taking over. And for those people that got it, that's great. And if you didn't, I'll explain on Patreon later. But it is not Brandi and Julie. Some people might have thought that, but it is not.

[Brandy]

Well, we don't do our podcast on Zoom. I don't know why people couldn't figure it out or find it, because I know my favorite episode is I cheated on my husband with the horse trainer.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yes, the horse trainer. By the way, Shanna and I just did a juicy Crimes that's available right now about equestrians. And I got all excited thinking it would be involving a girl, you know, that gets off kicked off of a reality show about real housewives and then hops on her horse trainer's face. But it's a whole nother crime. And that's on Juicy Crimes. And make sure you subscribe to that, everybody. And you can also watch that on the YouTube channel with everything else. So you just type in Heather McDonald. YouTube. But no, it was about some. It was a very juicy crime about equestrians, but not about former real housewives that go after horse trainers who are married with two children.

[Brandy]

And that wasn't us. I had like a minor crash out that did last over two weeks. It has sort of ended. But I did get home from filming our Patreon yesterday at our drug den studio, which is at Julie's house. And I walked into my bathroom and I had done my makeup like the lady with Baby Jane or whatever. I was like. And I go, maybe I'm not better.

[Heather McDonald]

Whatever happened to Baby J?

[Brandy]

It was like blue. I was wearing blue. I. Blue eyeshadow.

[Heather McDonald]

A letter to D and sealing it with my love for the kids watching. That was, of course, my mother's favorite movie.

[Julie]

Oh, wow.

[Heather McDonald]

Which was about a two sisters. One was the child star, one was the older one that made it. And the child star got jealous and ran over her in a car or did her lipstick like you yesterday.

[Brandy]

Yeah, it was. I tried to overline my lips. It was red. I blew eyeshadow on. And you can also watch it on Feud. You can see, because that whole story.

[Julie]

Have you watched the Feud with them?

[Heather McDonald]

I cannot believe I have not watched. Oh, my God.

[Julie]

You should.

[Heather McDonald]

That. Is that a Ryan Murphy? I think that's right.

[Julie]

It is. Obviously we're not however, that one was. Was. Was quite good.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Yeah.

[Julie]

Because it gives you the whole them. And it's about that movie.

[Brandy]

And I'm not over exaggerating because you know how when your makeup's done, Heather, and you know this, like, once your makeup's done in the day, you're like trying to figure out other things to do.

[Heather McDonald]

Totally. Yeah.

[Brandy]

I see around, like, yeah, I would. And I even. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

All the cameras, by the way, Mother's Day special coming around the corner.

[Brandy]

Yeah, for us, too. I wiped my whole. I washed my face. I was like, I can't even leave the house. I couldn't believe it. I literally couldn't believe it. I was like, okay, well, I'm going to continue trying to get it together, so. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, you look beautiful.

[Brandy]

Thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you for.

[Brandy]

Just don't look at the back of this. You're doing great front.

[Heather McDonald]

We don't have a back camera.

[Brandy]

This is thank God.

[Heather McDonald]

Podcast that we filmed.

[Brandy]

We've been walking in front of Drake. I was like, drake, look away. Don't look at the back of my hair.

[Heather McDonald]

Drake would be the last person that would be like, you know what I'm concerned about? Normally Brandy's bun is looking better from

[Julie]

the bun of hair on the back of their heads. I always thought people had hair on the front.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, let's get into some juicy stuff.

[Julie]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I have talked about the Alex Cooper call her daddy. She has her own network and then called Unwell, and she runs that with her new husband. She's only had one husband. They've only been married like a year or two. And.

[Brandy]

And it's.

[Heather McDonald]

There's some stuff that now is being talked about. Now. This all came about because people loved that two years ago, Alex Cooper seemed to be taking Alex Earl under her wing, who was a great influencer that everyone loves that just would like, you know, talk about her outfits and just kind of show her heart on Instagram and TikTok. And. But then something happened and they broke up and she no longer had her podcast at Unwell and nobody really knew what happened. So then Alex Cooper did a video and addressed the fact that Alex Earle had reposted some not nice things about Alex Cooper and commented and liked things. And she was like, bring the receipts. And then Alix Earle hasn't responded, and everyone's like, what's going on? And then yesterday, a pretty explosive article from Bloomberg came out that was kind of an expose of where they talked to people, anonymous people, and some people that have left the business that were criticizing how Working at Unwell was for them as an experience. And that the husband of Alex Cooper, who had many jobs and, and you know, high profile things in media prior to them joining forces, I guess, you know, yells at people and that kind of thing. So I have heard some things.

[Brandy]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And that appears to be true. But, you know, one person was like, yeah, I don't mind working there. Doesn't bother me now. That was a guy. Another person did tell me and she said, take it out of the show because my friend is a girl and she doesn't want to lose her job or she doesn't know she'd already left, but she didn't want to come it to come back to her. And that was a few months ago. I think you have a lot of employees. It could be true. Now the juicy part, and if it is, it is. I'm sure someone would still love to get a job there. Okay. In this job market, I don't think people are going to now not want a job there. But high execs and stuff have left. And then the other part is the sleuths realized that this particular video that Alex Cooper put out, based on when she put it out, it looked like it was the day after the first weekend of Coachella. They noticed that her nails were not the same. And they're like, that was a video that she filmed prior to dropping. Did she drop it knowing this article was coming and she wanted to distract and get Alex Earl to come after her and for that to distract from this or for Alex Earl to come back, come at her and people to go, is this article and this stuff happening because it's Alex Earl's PR company or her spin to get bad press on Alex Cooper? And other people say there's no way Alex Earle is doing this. And then the final one is, is it because they have different politics? Some people think, seem to think that Alex Earle is more on the right and Alex Cooper is on the left. And therefore she. Alex Earle was unhappy that Alex Cooper interviewed Kamala Harris and that started it all. I personally don't think that's the case. I think that she accepted a deal, realized she was making so much money doing videos for 350,000 a population, that this podcast was too much work and not worth it. And then there was maybe some other little competitive bitchy stuff between them where they just like ended it. But, you know, this is not a great week for Alex Cooper. It seems to be the majority of the people are kind of team Alex Earl. What do you guys Think.

[Brandy]

Well, I also did hear that. I mean, she sold that deal or did that deal with Sirius, and It was for 160 million. And it was part of the, you know, overall deal was that they had Alex Earl. And then supposedly Alex Earl was only making a million. So her dad, who's, you know, super business savvy as a lawyer or something. Alex Earl's dad was like, she's not going to make 160 even to be fair, she's running this huge hole staff. But while you make a million. So it was definitely first and foremost about money. And if. I'm sure it did have to do with politics somewhat, because Alex Cooper wants that network to be pretty progressive. I think they definitely were yelling at people. And I know one thing, if they were serious, won't do anything to protect anyone's employees.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, three of the. Three of the shows that were under the. Under the umbrella at Sirius have went away. Either it was canceled or the person left or we don't know. But there were three other shows that were going to be part of that thing on serious that are not there now. So. But they have the YouTube show, like, you know, with the Winter Games and stuff, in which she was criticized for that because Dakota of Mormon Wives was featured. And also the guy that. The dancer that was dating, Brooke Nader, was there, and they're playing pool and there's. Between the two of them, he says, Brooke Nader was the worst sex I ever had. And. And they're like, how could Alex Cooper keep that in the show?

[Brandy]

In terms of Dakota, I did think that they filmed that before this fallout. So at that point, you know, it's a testament to, like, the. The Bachelor and the Bachelorette. Keep it on in. I mean, keep it on. Put it up.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, here's the thing. You know, you have all these shows. She might, you know, it might not be like, I gotta make sure no one speaks badly about women. She was probably like, this is juicy. And, you know, Brooke Nader's fucking gorgeous. And, like, it's not gonna bother her and who cares? But other people can read into it how they like. But, you know, I mean, and speaking of Alix Earle, I mean, you know, her stepmother, who's been married to her dad for a long time, they have a couple kids together. Was the first, like, Sugar Baby that became famous because she was her. One of her clients as a sex worker was the former governor, right.

[Julie]

Of New York, Elliot Spitzer.

[Heather McDonald]

And so she knew her worth and she didn't shy away. She went On Howard's Turn, she was like, yeah, it was me. She was not ashamed. And then she went and married a great businessman. And now, you know, they have this great family and they're gonna have a. They're all gonna be featured on the Netflix reality show. So good for them.

[Brandy]

I did wanna suggest to you. Cause Sophia Franklin, who's Alex Cooper's former podcast host from Caller Daddy, that I like Alex Cooper. But that whole scenario gave me the ick from minute one. Like, she dropped her best friend and then took call her daddy, took the ip, Even the word unwell, that thing came from Sophia Franklin. It did not come from Alex Cooper. So now her whole company, all the merch, all the unwell stuff, is from the girl she dropped and kicked to the curb. However, Sophia Franklin is coming out with a book called Daddy Issues. I insist she come on the show because if Alex Cooper can be with a comedian named Heather, then so can Sophia Franklin.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, Sophia Franklin did come on my show. We did. It was during COVID I think, and she was living in Utah, and I had followed the whole story and I empathized with the Sophia Franklin of the deal because I was like, you know, I didn't like how the audience was coming after her because she met a boyfriend who knew the business and was like, you guys are worth more. Which they were. And. But, you know, in the end, I said, you both are gonna do great. And it's sad that you're no longer friends. But, you know, that's the thing. You know, this is a classic to constant of zoom. Sometimes it can't last.

[Brandy]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

Sometimes I can't laugh. Not everyone is Brandi and Julie, you know, so anyway, and that's true, that is true. The longevity is hard between two cousins.

[Brandy]

But anyway, do you think that you'll have her do the.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I would love to have her come on. And also I, you know, I don't think Alex Cooper is a fan of mine because after she got her big first Spotify deal for like 60 million, which is like chump change for now, I listened to it. And I remember I was listening to it while I was like, driving to my son's Catholic, all boys school. And I'm listening to it. And it was back when she was still dirty before she thought she was like the white Oprah with the note cards. And she was like, you're having a moment. Tell me what you were thinking. You know, these are her. That's how her interviews are now, which is fine. She gets good people. People like it. But And I thought that is the way you should go because you can't talk about sucking dick forever. But when I listened to it, I did this impression on my show and I sometimes think, oh, I wonder if she ever heard that. She probably hates you and you'll never be on the show. But now that I'm in this place, I think I'm doing fine. And I can say what I think of everybody from two cunts in a zoom to. To call her daddy. But it was like this. She was like, hello, daddy gang. I'm sucking dick so hard. I walked in and there were all these executives and I'm like, yeah, let me. I thought I had to get on my knees. Get on your knees, you motherfuckers. Cause I got the fucking Spotify deal. Like, it was like, it was insane what I heard. And so I, like, immediately went. And people. I had never even listened to her show before. So people were like, oh, my God, Heather, that was the funniest thing I ever heard. And, you know, she's doing great. She's gorgeous. She got married. She's going to get through this. She's still going to be rich forever. Hopefully this doesn't affect her relationship with her husband and they work it out so that, you know, hopefully it doesn't

[Brandy]

affect our relationship with her because we definitely don't want. We're not like you. We don't have it like that. We're like, hey, we can come. We can come sweep the floors.

[Heather McDonald]

I love sucking dick. I'll suck all the dicks.

[Brandy]

I still will.

[Heather McDonald]

Go on, call her daddy and say, I like that you changed. Like, I like, you're smart. You can't. You can only give so many dick sucking tips in so many episodes. You run out. There's only so many things of. Drink some hot water. Do this thing. Tickle the ball. I don't know.

[Brandy]

Do the pineapple.

[Heather McDonald]

There's only in your mouth. Exactly. I mean, you know, Julie, I do.

[Julie]

How many. Eat the cherries, Drink some coffee laced with other tea. Cue the thing where you go where you jump up and down, one arm to the right and then slap. Who doesn't like that move?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, ball balls. Yeah, very creative.

[Julie]

Ball balls create a cavern, the banana boat in anything.

[Heather McDonald]

I have defended Alex Cooper along the way in saying, you know, maybe she is a hard worker. She's done the show for 10 years. Maybe Alex Roll just wasn't into doing the work that it takes to be creative and funny and interesting every week. So anyway. But then, of course, we get to hear from the person that knows When I see this on a tick tock my butthole clenches because I'm like we've all been on a plane before. Okay, yeah. And and when I see a flight attendant who's like hi, I've been on a plane with on one time it was Alex Cooper and one time it was Alex Earle and I'm going to tell you about it and reality check please. Found her. So they were the one that put it on here. So thank you for that. But I know spring is a time when there's spring cleaning and I think the way I always do it is I start with one thing, my closet. Getting rid of a lot of clothes that I haven't worn and then being really clean. 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And she goes, and then there was another time when I was on a flight and Alex Earl came and it was the morning that my grandmother died and I was like wiping off tears and I was like, oh, hello. And Alex Earle is known for being very sensitive and vulnerable and sweet and she was exactly that. She said, is everything okay? And then she goes, oh my God, it's you know, like, I know who you are. And. And she's like, are you okay? And so then she gave her a hug, and she was sweet and, like, even, like, wrote her after and responded. And so she's like. So there's. That's her story. But I think there's probably tons of stories of people who can say that, you know, Alex Cooper saved their puppy that was crossing the street. I don't know. There's stories, but, you know, I can't believe the poor judgment of taking a photo. Remember that one girl that, like, took a video of a girl who was, like, in the gym bathroom.

[Brandy]

Yep. Locker room.

[Heather McDonald]

In locker room. And was, like, posted it and said I had to see it, so now you have to see it. And she, like, was like a sports caster. She lost everything. And I'm like. And, you know, to think that you can do that to just somebody that's, like, working. And that was really, really poor judgment. Now, I don't know how many years ago it was. I think she's probably mortified to, like, know that she did that. And hopefully she reaches out to this girl. And, I mean, one of the things

[Brandy]

that Alex Earl does is, I mean, sorry, Alex Cooper. Is that she'll go, like, I saw this girl at the other table. Like, don't send your steak back, Courtney. So she'll make up names.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, so that's kind of her mocking thing.

[Brandy]

Yeah. For. And to make fun of women doing bad things, to put herself above them, like, whatever it may be, like, Nice Honda Linda or whatever. So she was.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, she. Okay, so that was her little funny shtick, but at someone else's expense.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie]

That's what you do in private.

[Brandy]

That's really dark. Yeah, that really. If it's true. That really is dark.

[Julie]

That is dark. That's what you mean.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what you do on Two Cunts and a Zoom. And then you don't put it in the show.

[Brandy]

Right.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Even out.

[Julie]

Even a bigger cunt knows to edit that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie]

The producer cunt says cunts. You can't do that.

[Brandy]

And I just want to, like, full disclosure, Julie and I did on a Patreon. It was not video on a plane. You know, with one of those dumb. I hate those tiny. You know what?

[Heather McDonald]

Tiny? What are you talking about?

[Brandy]

You know, the little microphones where everyone's

[Heather McDonald]

like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brandy]

So we're on a plane, Right. So we have those. We look like, hey, guys. Yeah.

[Julie]

Hey, guys.

[Heather McDonald]

Welcome to my channel.

[Julie]

What a day it's been. Yeah.

[Brandy]

So the woman is gorgeous, and she's French or Belgian or something. The flight attendant yeah. So we're already like, her hair is in this most beautiful, like, French twist when I tell you this one was beautiful. So, like, first of all, it wouldn't matter what two cunts on the airplane are saying with their tiny dumb mics. And that was before those mics even took over. People are like, what is that furry? Like, ours has a furry thing on it.

[Julie]

Why are there two drunk hags talking into a tiny furry hole?

[Brandy]

So we're talking and, like, we're. She was not into us. You know what I mean? Obviously I was drinking, like, alcohol out of my purse. And so we. We did somewhat like. Well, well, one of our friends, like, classified it that we were mocking her, but we didn't think of it that way because she could not hear. She was French and didn't even really speak English. And she was gorgeous and beautiful, and we were just making fun of how she thought we were gross.

[Julie]

Right?

[Brandy]

So.

[Heather McDonald]

But no one could hear two pigs in the back.

[Julie]

What was I doing back there?

[Heather McDonald]

I.

[Julie]

Are they eating off the floor? They're disgusting. Like, I am so beautiful. Like, we were. Yes. Yeah.

[Brandy]

But some were also laughing as mocking, and it, like, kind of stuck with us, like, forever.

[Julie]

Now we felt bad because we were having. Laughing so hard and thinking we were making fun of ourselves, knowing how beautiful she was or whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, that's interesting because that was the next video I saw.

[Brandy]

Yeah, it turns out it was the same woman. What she meant was it was us.

[Julie]

We know the thing was going on the planet. Though I will say Brandy's the. The creator of this. If we ever get recognized on the plane and if we have magazines, that's been the thing. US magazine, People magazine, any kind of magazine. Though I'm sure nobody travels magazines anymore. She gives the magazine to the flight attendant and they are so like. Like, they, like, love it. Like, oh, my God, thank you. Because it's like you gave them something for the next two hours to look at. And it's just like a little thing that Brandy sort of came up with. Like.

[Brandy]

But I only do that to get free alcohol.

[Heather McDonald]

I. I have been lucky enough too. Yeah, but you're doing. At the end of the day, you got to do it at the beginning. I mean, the end of the flight, you got to do the.

[Brandy]

No, I do it once we're done. Cuz Julie buys all the magazines and

[Heather McDonald]

then she's like, mid flight when your drink is empty. Why? I. I have gotten given an entire bottle of chardonnay as I leave. Ooh. Some guy is just like, I got you, girl. That's good. Speaking of which, there is this guy, Jacob Higgins, who has taken off on TikTok because he was staying at the Marriott in Westbury, New York. And he would do these stories where he'd go in the bathroom and he had a big glass, a huge glass of Chardonnay and. Oh, no, charnay with Sauvignon Blanc. And he was like, hey, everybody, you know, and he does this intro and people have used his sound now about going to the Courtyard Marriott and Westbury and getting a bigger pour than normal at the hotel bar. Like, find that bartender that just like pours it to the brim. And one of his videos, he quoted me like, he said, Heather McDonald once said that a lobster is not as delicious to. To eat with an iced tea, unless that iced tea is from Long Island. So, you know, this is why I'm drinking and whatever. So it's very lovely. It was very lovely. Love him. But in the end, both of them are gorgeous. Both of them are ridiculously rich and successful and well known and great personalities.

[Brandy]

And I do think that Alex Cooper is just going to have a little bit, a little bit more of a dip when that book comes out. I think she'll. Obviously she's gonna come out on top, but her kind of like crappy little like situation this year, I don't think it's over yet.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

Because the book has a bit of

[Heather McDonald]

a pile on it too and it's all kind of coming out and. Yeah, I don't know what the advice would be to do it if you just ignore it and keep putting out. You know, her show is now just like one on one interviews with big names. So you can just keep putting those out. She's not someone that overly like talks about herself or shares about herself, so maybe you just keep doing. Keep. I would just. Maybe I would just like not address it, you know, and. But who knows? But it's juicy to talk about and it's interesting. Okay. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives are resuming production. Thank God. You know, I thought that they were maybe gonna move to Newport and keep just a few girls and get some Newport Mormons there and, and do the whole thing. But according to tmz, no, they're going to be back in Utah filming it. And they also said Taylor, Frankie Paul will eventually return. So I don't think she's doing it right now. I think they want her to do better. She did a video recently where she was playing piano.

[Julie]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

And she had a hoodie on. And and she was like. Just started playing piano and whatever. And I was like. It was the second time I saw it. And I'm like, show your face. This isn't you.

[Brandy]

Because it was good playing the piano.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it was like. Like, you can't just start playing. And there's no way when we've covered your whole life that we wouldn't know that you are, like, an accomplished pianist. Like, there's just no way. So I just was like, this is so good, but let's see your face next time. And she was kind of like. And I go, you know, we all remember when you. When you made it famous on TikTok, because you said you were a grandma with a 20. She. The way she popped off is her. With all the hair came out. And one of those girls, one of those Mormon girls was. And it was like, two girls. She's like, these are my daughters and this is my granddaughter, and someone's holding a baby. And between the filters and them being Mormon, I was like, maybe she is, like, 45. I don't know. Everyone was just like, you look amazing. And. And so that's really what popped her off. So I'm like, I remember when you did that. And she just was like, ha, ha. So she's back to, like, doing her fun thing. But, you know, another video was that she was really quite thin and the stress is taking a toll on her. So, you know, obviously she, you know, is on some supervised visitation with her younger son, which can be really hard. So I hope they work that out. But that's awful. I mean, we might as well. I mean, you might as well. We might as well see it all. We're all watching it 100% on the Internet, so they might as well keep filming and make their money and have us see it. As long as the kids are not being affected.

[Brandy]

Look, I don't want to get political, but I'm just going to say this. I think the moment that, you know, grabbing them by the puss, puss made. I just think in this day and age, just like Alex Cooper, keeping the YouTube games on with a lot of, like, dubious characters. I think it's the age of, like, roll the Bachelorette. You've already filmed it. I heard they're not doing that because it's boring. I know.

[Heather McDonald]

That's a good rumor, too, that, like, that. That it might have kind of sucked anyway and it might have buried them, the franchise, even further than it had been buried, you know, because it was like, oh, my God, even with a major star this is just not what people want to watch anymore.

[Brandy]

And you deviated out of Bachelor Nation. So now the fans are mad, but I'm like, if they. I heard rumors they were going to cancel this. And I was like, legitimately upset. Like, on the phone with my therapist, I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do. Because another thing that they do is their turnaround is so fast. That's. That's another, like, thing that has changed the industry.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandy]

They talk about the show. They talk about their fighting over their salaries. And I'm like, if they keep just being innovative, like, yeah, we don't care. We literally don't care.

[Julie]

There's 17,000 episodes of Duck Dynasty which are not to get political, but lean in or get in or deal with it.

[Heather McDonald]

I came across this girl in my feed and she was sitting on a private plane and she's like, so a lot of you have been asking me what some of my things about me that you wouldn't know are. I am a fan of designer bags. No shit. You're on a plane. I have exotic bags. I. And you should ask my husband about why he's building me a bigger closet. And it was so. It was all about the wealth. But guess what? I started to watch a lot of it. And I'm like. And I. Because I'm like, I don't know anyone like this. I don't know what this kind of wealth like is in Dallas. And she's attractive. And I'm like, that is what Real Housewife reality was. Is for you to see.

[Julie]

See, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Someone that. Whose life you are not living yourself. So if that is that you gotten some. Or you're a teenage mother. Yeah. A teen mom. You're, you know, like, what is that? Like, are you a teen mom? Are you a Duck Dynasty person? Are you Honey Boo Boo? Yeah.

[Brandy]

Great ones.

[Julie]

Toddlers and Tiaras, even the Tiger King.

[Heather McDonald]

So that. I mean, the reality shows are not to show exemplary lives of how you should live and fashion your family after they are escapism. And you're watching real people and you get to go inside their home and watch it. So that's why people don't care when criminals come back out.

[Julie]

And they. And they.

[Heather McDonald]

And they will watch it even if they hate them. It doesn't matter. Even if they're like, you're wrong. You stole from those people. I mean, I think probably the only thing where we. No. 1. Where a person would not be re. Accepted back on TV is if they did a deliberate murder yes. Like, not a car accident.

[Brandy]

Murder.

[Julie]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And also a pedophile.

[Julie]

Yes.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Those are, like, the two. Everything else, you can be a grifter.

[Julie]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

You could be a hooker. You could be a massive cheater. You could do a Ponzi scheme. You could do it all.

[Julie]

Look at the Bachelor. One man choosing out of 26 women. Or ever. It's the most sexist, grossest thing. But we love it. We want to. Why?

[Heather McDonald]

Why are we on that first guy? We were like, he's gay. The San Francisco. Kendra, can you look up if the first bachelor from San Francisco, if he ever did marry, he's got to be, like, 50 now.

[Brandy]

I mean, at this point, he looks like, how long?

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. I totally remember where I was. Like, what year was it? Look at that up. It was definitely after 2000 because I was married.

[Brandy]

I thought it was 2002, but let's see. Because it was right after American Idol, wasn't it?

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. And is he married? And what is his husband's name?

[Brandy]

Exactly. I mean, what about Anna Delvey? I mean, bring it. Oh, my God.

[Julie]

Bring all of it. I want to watch all of it. I am not.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel like we are over Anna Delvey. I. I personally am. I don't know what else there is to do.

[Brandy]

Well, if they did a reality show.

[Julie]

Yeah. Like a real. Right. I don't believe in the idea of not. I don't like. Or I should say I'm against this idea of, like, censoring or not platforming something that you don't agree with. Or that. Or that maybe even like, a this. Which, you know, I just don't. I don't agree with it.

[Heather McDonald]

The great thing about me is that I do change my mind. So I really was, like. I did not think at that time that they should air the Bachelorette. I really didn't. I just thought we all just saw the throwing of the bar stool. Do I think they could play it later when she's better? And we're watching it, like, bring it, like, on in, like, three months. And we know that. That, you know, she's back with her kid, and she's done her work and. And she's, you know, doing much better, and she's like, now, let's show me dating this guy, then I think we could. I just don't think it was right to show it, like, that week. And that's when it was going to premiere.

[Julie]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Is he married?

[Brandy]

Yeah, he's not gay.

[Heather McDonald]

He's married with kids. To a woman, though. To a woman. Good for him.

[Julie]

Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

Good for him. See, I'm not right about everything.

[Brandy]

We still could be gay to be

[Julie]

fair and we don't have to be right about everything. And that's also the great thing about reality tv which we say all the time. I'll literally change my mind about someone from one hour to the next.

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[Julie]

Because who cares?

[Brandy]

Yeah, yeah, we're not.

[Heather McDonald]

It's like, you know, that's a thing and all. Everything in life, you gain more information, you can change your mind.

[Julie]

I fully support and stand by Taylor, Frankie, Paul. That was in 2023. What happened? I think Dakota's a manipulative, abusive, horrible pig. And what she did was wrong, obviously, but she did do her work. And I do think that she.

[Heather McDonald]

She didn't do her work. She attacked him after. She just attacked him in February.

[Brandy]

But that was not the video from.

[Heather McDonald]

That was not the video. But the other one was physical attack. Listen, she has a problem with being physical and having anger, and I do think that takes a very long time.

[Julie]

That's true.

[Heather McDonald]

To get over and, you know, but could it. You know, listen, there are people that are toxic couples and then they go on to marry other people and they actually do have a good marriage. There are sometimes when two people are just fire and fire or whatever and it is really bad.

[Brandy]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

And I mean, there's been text messages we've seen and stuff. And, you know, he was like, you know, come over and there was something. She even said. It's. It's. It gets me hot to think of him screwing somebody else. Like, it's a very sick.

[Brandy]

It is because that incident with the barstool, which was horrific and awful after he Locked her in the garage until she was revved up, away from her kids. He locked her in the garage. He still wouldn't have had a baby with her. She didn't have that baby yet. That was prior to him having a baby with her.

[Julie]

Right?

[Brandy]

He never. He did this to her right before she went to film. And I'm not excusing any of it, but, you know. You know, talk.

[Julie]

But she got the. But she got the brunt of it. And he didn't get anything. He was some sort of victim. And we know you're not a victim, Dakota. We know you're not a victim.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, speaking of the brunt of it, have you heard about this Patriots coach that is married with kids? And he was seen, like, cuddling with this. A sports reporter. Do you know about this, Drake? He was cuddling with a sports reporter in Sedona. No. He's. He's, like, pretty cute, normal looking, and, like, has a wife and kids and,

[Brandy]

like, canoodling or cuddling.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, holding hands. Like, snuggling. Like kissing and holding hands in Sedona. And she immediately got fired from her sports reporting job. And then he just said, hey, guys, like, I'm talking to my family. I need to apologize to some people. I know I'm supposed to be someone that you all look up to. And then he's not fired. Which is fine that he's not fired, but it just. Once again, it's the woman who's, like, burned at the stake, you know?

[Julie]

Always, Always. Always.

[Brandy]

Even.

[Julie]

Even sex work, when you think about it, why does sex work even exist on the planet? Why?

[Heather McDonald]

Because there's a market for it.

[Julie]

Which are what?

[Heather McDonald]

Men.

[Julie]

Correct.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie]

And yet who gets. Who gets arrested? The hooker who gets.

[Heather McDonald]

Which I always thought if I was ever gonna be a cop, I only wanted to be doing undercover vice. Cause of the outfits, though.

[Brandy]

I know it would be very cute. So you could dress like a hooker.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I always thought that I could do. I'm not running down the street chasing someone climbing over a fence.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But I could go, hey, hey. You lonely tonight? Back when hookers had to walk on the street. Street walkers. Yeah, street walkers. And then try to entrap a john.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

That's how I was gonna give back to society if I was going to be a cop. But I knew I just didn't. Couldn't pass the test.

[Julie]

I feel like that might be your next TV show. Yeah.

[Brandy]

Scripted, I think.

[Julie]

I think that's it.

[Heather McDonald]

Think I'm a little old about it.

[Brandy]

Takes a place in the 70s.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

Downtown LA. And. And Heather would be getting the men. She's only.

[Heather McDonald]

Sometimes when I think about the fact that we all went with, like, smiles on and wanting the life of Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

She was sucking dirty dicks off of Sunset Boulevard Living. And it was like. I remember watching it and she's like, yeah, my mom said. Remember, she's like in bed with her. She's like, my mom said if there was. If there was a bum, I'd find him from a mile away. I'm like, aren't you only 21? Like, how many bums have you met? You know? And then I'm like, really? You came to Hollywood and you had to go straight to being a hooker? Like, you couldn't be a stripper. You couldn't be like a cocktail waitress, like, straight to just, you know, meeting that other girl about how to, you know, what do we say? You know, no kissing on the lips and whatever. Take your money and. But, you know, it made for a good movie and we all just thought it was fine.

[Julie]

Oh, thought it was fine. And then with the thing and the pearls and boop. And how cute and hilarious that is.

[Brandy]

That'll be your opportunity.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why she had to be. You know what? I know it was like a My Fair lady modern day hooker story. But, like, I don't know that she had to be a hooker. Like, I think if we were to redo it today, I guess she would just have only fans.

[Brandy]

She has only fans.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Which is great. It's like, stay in your house.

[Julie]

But you know what? If she's an only fans, she don't need Richard Gere at that point. She's making more money than him. So she can stay right at home.

[Heather McDonald]

Who has no class, eats pancakes with her hands.

[Brandy]

I love that part. It's my favorite part of the movie.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. I was like, why have I never thought about.

[Brandy]

I give it every.

[Heather McDonald]

But there was a time when I was making pancakes, I was like, just eating with your hands. Pretty.

[Brandy]

It's good enough for Julie Roberts to this day. I ate it like that. So good. It, like, changed the whole experience.

[Heather McDonald]

And then she's like, sitting on the table, like she doesn't know how to sit on a chair. I'm like, she's from Georgia.

[Julie]

She's not Tarzan. We didn't find her. Like, oh, what is. What is this? Like, she's a human woman.

[Heather McDonald]

I can't believe it. Your dream coming true. That's the whole sequence where she goes up in the Plane.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And goes to San Francisco. Mine are broken. Mine are broken.

[Julie]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

These glasses are broken. Oh, there's a band. Did you like it, dear? Oh, yeah, it was so good, I almost peed in my pants. She said it was better than Pirates of Penzance. Oh, okay. You can see how many times I've watched it because I wanted to be a hooker. I don't want. I didn't actually want to have. I never wanted to have the sex. Yeah. I wanted to be the hooker that said.

[Julie]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

Most of my clients, I. They just go to dinner and they. I talk to them because I'm like,

[Brandy]

I love to eat.

[Heather McDonald]

I love to talk. I can talk to any loser and not a meal. And I did that in life. I would just meet guys.

[Brandy]

Your mom was a hook.

[Heather McDonald]

Or drink meals and then go home.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I'd drive my own car. I wouldn't drink very much. I would get an appetizer, a salad, and an entree. And I never just got a pasta. It had to have lobster on it. I could hear my mom get that shellfish before you leave. You know how much that costs? And I'd eat my face off. And then I would say goodbye.

[Brandy]

Lovely to meet you. Warmest regards.

[Heather McDonald]

Goodbye.

[Brandy]

Best of luck.

[Julie]

Women wanted to feel with. With Pretty Woman was that you're an underdog. And then you're taken seriously. Somebody finds you beautiful, you fall in love, and you get to get revenge on all the bitches who treated you like big and big. I mean, big mistake. Bethany even did it.

[Heather McDonald]

Huge. Two cunts in a zoom.

[Brandy]

Exactly.

[Julie]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I gotta go shopping now.

[Julie]

I mean, look, Bethany did it. Big mistake, Chanel. Big mistake. Chanel. It's like the. The level that. That pretty woman got into the heart and soul of women for that feeling of like, you will not demean me. You will not treat me like I am worth something. Big mistake. Goodbye.

[Heather McDonald]

And don't forget the big mistake. It was that she was with a guy.

[Julie]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

Who had a credit card.

[Julie]

But that's the problem.

[Heather McDonald]

It wasn't. It wasn't. She wasn't Bethany Frankel who could afford it. She was just like.

[Julie]

But that's the feeling you have.

[Heather McDonald]

I have a $3,000 gig this week and I get to go shop. And, you know.

[Julie]

But that's the feeling that you're left with, which is if that's.

[Heather McDonald]

That made for a great movie. All right, now let's talk about the summer house. I want to get your opinion of Kyle, his soon to be ex wife, Amanda, falling in love with Amanda's best friend's former boyfriend, West. And they recently said, this is serious. We are in love with and we are going to really try to make a go of this. This is not a one time small fling that we regret. We don't regret it. What do you think?

[Brandy]

I just, I feel first and foremost, I mean, I'm not finishing Summer House. I find it like really like triggering and unannoying. I thought, I know that Tom Sandoval and I wanted to say this like with love. Like we worked with Tom on a whole TV show. We just saw him recently with you. He was, you know, he's been humbled and he's very nice and he always has been nice to us. He had a reputation as a douche, you know, he. And he, I'm sure himself could admit he leaned into that. He was the big douche on the show.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean.

[Brandy]

And so at times he came across very unlikable. Like when he was straightening his hair and putting makeup on and stuff and shaving his forehead. And I think that just lent the whole, the whole scandal hinged on the fact that I guess he was unlikable to people. And Ariana was never really a very liked person on the show either, simply by her relation to Tom in this case. It really, really bothers me that Summer House is not as popular as Vanderpump. But it really bugs that she's not. That he is not. Kyle is not getting the treatment that Ariana got because he is a nice guy and he has been working hard. He has a great work ethic. He has stayed consistent who he is from the beginning. We've watched it from the beginning and you know, a lot of people are acting like Sierra is the victim and she is because her friend fucked her over and so did West. But the real victim in all of it is Kyle and his friend fucked him over because they were good friends and they were living in the same house. He was close with him and his wife cheated on him with his friend. Kyle, to me, should be the main person that. And, and he still is being talked bad about. Amanda's still getting like she's giving. People make excuses for her. People make excuses for west. And I'm like, I disagree.

[Heather McDonald]

I think they're very mad at both of them. I feel like the. I hope the fans are mad at Amanda and Wes.

[Brandy]

Oh, I hope they are because I just don't see enough like, about what, I see a lot about what Amanda did to Sierra and that's true. But I don't see enough about what west did to Kyle as a friend.

[Heather McDonald]

True.

[Brandy]

And what Amanda did, you know, and also, she's a hoarder.

[Heather McDonald]

Who's Amanda? Amanda's a hoarder.

[Brandy]

That's what Kyle said.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, really? Well, I think. Well, Kyle was seen this past weekend with Megan King Edmonds, formerly of Real Housewives of OC In New York. And she's quite tall, and they caught them kissing and, you know, so she's, like, taller than he. And then I also saw that she's, like, getting her real estate license in New York. Weird.

[Brandy]

Doesn't she live in the O.C.

[Heather McDonald]

no, I think she moved. I don't know. Because then that awful thing happened where she lost custody of her kids except for the summer. So maybe she's just living in New York and is going to live her life in New York. And then the kids will spend New York in this as they'll spend the summer in New York. I don't know what she's doing.

[Julie]

I love Kyle so much. Yes, I really love Kyle. I just love him. I think he's so nice. And he's like, a catch. Like, as a person who doesn't, you know, get with men and stuff, even though I love sucking dick, um, he's. He's such a catch. The man works hard. He's, you know, he has his issues. And I. I understand that he drinks and he goes out and maybe he's had his dalliances or whatever, but I do think that guy is a catch. Like, he just.

[Brandy]

He's.

[Julie]

He just is. I just, like. I just love him.

[Brandy]

He's very influential on us. We were drinking Rose straight out of the bottle. We were like, let's send it. We come home now. We eat after we're drunk. He eats every time. He goes in the kitchen. He works out the next day. We, like, took his entire lifestyle on. Yeah, I love it.

[Julie]

I just love it. I love it, and I love him. And I hope he, like, there was.

[Heather McDonald]

Someone said, oh, my God. You know, there was a scene where. Now where they're watching it with a fine tooth, you know, comb or whatever, not find you, but really looking at every scene that they're together. And he hugs her and kisses her cheek. Wes doesn't manage. They kind of hold each other longer. I think, what. I've kissed other people. Other. Sometimes when men greet me that are not my husband, you know, we'll give you a kiss on the cheek. I don't think that's that weird, but. So then Andy asked Jesse, who's on the show. When exactly did you first know about Amanda and West hooking up? And he said I had my suspicions but I did not know until they made their joint statement. And they both denied it to my face when he would ask multiple times. And he did say west is still his friend because he's always been a really good friend to him. And he's like, I wish he was a little more humble and took a little more responsibility. And he says I believe he will come with like come at. Is going to come with aggression at the reunion. And he was like, really? Yeah. Jesse thinks he will. Like he's like coming to defend himself and not be like all apologetic.

[Julie]

So I love that these guys have any one even an ounce. Even Jesse, who I know he isn't like a monster, but he is a lying little two faced F boy.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Who will do anything to anyone who told Sierra to her face that he wanted to make out with her as a joke. He's constantly undermining. He's a complete little misogynist little pig. And I do think. And so is West. And even though the west we, you know, I want to like more because he's like progressive and stuff but like

[Brandy]

he, we don't like all Democrats but

[Julie]

like he's also again, they are users of women to a point that I know they're young and they could change and they evolve and all of that stuff. But right now in the phase of these men's lives, I find them off putting and I don't appreciate having a take on any of this. When they would do this at any point, Jesse would fuck his.

[Brandy]

He probably wanted to get with Amanda.

[Julie]

Yeah, he would and I think he would get with Amanda even now like they can all just save it whenever

[Heather McDonald]

there's an affair type of situation. And I said this during scandival. The only way that you truly can come back from it and, and get, you know, society to love you again is if it lasts forever. Yes. Because if they do get married and have kids or whatever or even stay or now kids and stay together for like five, 10 years, then you're gonna go, yeah, you know what? It was a proximity type relationship and it really did work. And you do date people. That's what they call, they say, you know, that's a commandment. You do not covet thy neighbor's wife because it's your neighbor. It's right there, it's down, it's in the next room in their case, you know, so it's like you shouldn't do it. But you're in the same friend group. The proximity just like a work or whatever. It happens. So it's like, who knows? Maybe they will. Maybe they will.

[Brandy]

Well, I did say that I thought Raquel, I was like, get pregnant right away. Make it work. You two. Raquel and Tom. I was like, keep it. Go the distance. Get that baby. And I mean, I think you know, Raquel's doing sound baths. And I will say like we enjoy sound path.

[Heather McDonald]

Firing her. Like, and probably cuz it's like you get her and then you get some scoop from her and then. Or no scoop and you're like, all we got was a sound bath. But she does a sound bath. She's like engaged to somebody that's like a rocket scientist. Hope he doesn't go missing. And I just like the 12 others. There's a 12 now. I mean, but whatever. Aliens, coincidences happen and then. Yeah, so she's doing fine. But yeah, that's. That's the situation. Okay, Rhode Island. I am. Let's just.

[Brandy]

By the way, your audience is gonna like crucify me. They hate when I. Because I always go on the guy's side.

[Julie]

I just did.

[Brandy]

Okay, good. Well, they. You know, you're a guy.

[Julie]

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But you know, I'm not.

[Brandy]

I'm standing by Kyle. You know, standing by it with Kyle.

[Julie]

I stand by it with Kyle too. And I usually always go with the

[Heather McDonald]

women, but you know, they always say that he was cheating and out late and everything. But we never really had any real evidence that he did. Right. Like casually like took a photo of herself like in bed with him or anything like that.

[Julie]

Really. What do you mean?

[Heather McDonald]

I think he just liked to go out and stay out late and party.

[Brandy]

I think time did well before they were married where he was. Blackout.

[Heather McDonald]

That's right.

[Brandy]

And then. But that was so long ago. Julie brings it up. There has never been any. Any proof. He just. He's a DJ and he's out late and she was, I guess on the phone with west all night smoking her pot or whatever she was doing. I mean, you know, and they were not compatible. So I do get that for her. I just think for west to do that is so. I'm not even as mad at her as I am at the fact that Wes did that. And nobody is. The way they crucified Tom. Tom and Ariana weren't even married.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And here. Right. And here's the thing. If it was happening earlier than they're Admitting to which I think it was, of course. Okay. I think they were meeting places, taking walks in the morning. I don't know. They were. It was happening. And I think then when you look, if you believe that and you see her upset and crying about Kyle, her husband, and Sierra is just like, why can't she see how special you are? Just being that super supportive friend.

[Brandy]

Cringe.

[Heather McDonald]

And now if you do believe that nothing happened until after that, then that makes them less horrific. But if it was happening and she was still taking that love and support from her friend and being deceptive, then that's pretty bad.

[Brandy]

That was so bad.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie]

So bad.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, now, Rhode Island. I just want to tell you guys about Rhode Island. Yeah, I've been watching a little bit. It honestly, you. You need to stop. You need to get a diet. Like a. A whole board of every single person and what they've done. I have never seen any. Any house.

[Brandy]

Like the thing with the strings that go like that.

[Heather McDonald]

More like cheating. And the cheating rumors, the actual cheating, the affairs, all of it. The only person that doesn't have a crazy ass past is the girl who met her husband on the Bachelor.

[Brandy]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

Ashley.

[Brandy]

I.

[Heather McDonald]

She's the only one that's like living a normal life. Even though. And she came from reality tv, she has the most normal life. The one girl married, you know, was pining, rubbing one out to her sister's boyfriend when he'd come over and take her to prom. And then she's like, I'm gonna get him. And then she marries him.

[Brandy]

Joellen.

[Heather McDonald]

Joellen. And then while she goes and is selling, you know, some medical supplies, the. The unmarried, childless sister comes over. Child free. Sorry, childfree sister comes over to take care of the kids and they. The way they shoot it, it's very flirty. I know they're like doing it because they're producers, but that's weird. Then we have the other girl who's very rich, who looks like Dolores, If Dolores lost 10 pounds. And they. And her whole thing is that her husband, who she is. They've been together a long time, but he has like older kids. He would go spear fishing or something for three, three weeks. And then tell his friend, watch. Make sure you watch my wife who says that. Who need you. Who needs to watch, who tells their friend, go check on my wife. I've never in my life like a

[Julie]

person with a girlfriend.

[Brandy]

And I'd be annoyed.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, like don't think her husband has a girlfriend. And so that's why he doesn't feel bad. That his friend is coming over and seeing her. Oh, I do.

[Brandy]

On the boat.

[Heather McDonald]

So then she's like, oh, my God, there is nothing with this guy. And then there's this other girl who people said, oh, originally allegedly rumored to have been a, you know, call girl, whatever you want to call it. Hooker light. And then she gets with this guy, and she goes, yeah, I'm like a sugar baby. But I love it because he's with this other lady for 10, six months out of the year. And then when I'm alone, I bring this other weird blonde west look, like, around and. But, I mean, it is so confusing. I literally had to go, wait a minute. Like, I had to stop. I had to rewind. I am like, oh, my God. But it's entertaining. I mean, I'm like, how when you compare this to the fact that nothing happened in Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, literally nothing happened in Real Housewives Beverly Hills. Very little as far as, like, big moments. And this was almost too much. Almost two.

[Brandy]

My. My criticism when it first came on was like, I'm sick of Bravo. And they're. They're casting because Atlanta, the year of when that whole thing happened with Kenya, they got into way too salacious casting, and it blew up in their face. So when I first started this, they came in so hot. I was like, wow, first episode, and we're already into someone's like, husband cheating.

[Julie]

Are you having an affair?

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Like, at your first lunch.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. This girl has a podiatrist husband who's like, come completely has an affair, and there's evidence because the girl he's having an affair with posted about it on

[Brandy]

Facebook with them, like, her sitting in his lap.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandy]

That was. So I was.

[Heather McDonald]

And then the other girl's like, mind your own business. It's like, well, tell the mistress not to put it on Facebook.

[Brandy]

And then they called her job. That's Joelle, and she's my favorite one. But they called her Job and then tried to, like, get her fired because she sent the photo of the guy with the mistress, which was all over the Internet. And. But so I. What I want to say is that

[Heather McDonald]

to a friend, as if you wouldn't do that. As if you wouldn't do that. You know, this girl's in your neighborhood. You're like. You're like, this. Thinks she's got the perfect life. I cannot believe I just found this on Facebook. Like, what the hell is. And it could have been, even out of a little bit of love and concern. Like, holy, do we Tell her, do we not? And then, of course, the reaction is, let's ruin this girl's life because she knows that I'm married to a cheater.

[Brandy]

Well, they said they called her, and I guess Joellen wasn't friends with her. She told one of her friends, and the friends called and said, my friend has the photo. Then the woman called Joellen directly and was like, send me the photo, please. And she's like, I really don't want to. I really don't want to. I don't want to send you this photo. Because she knew. And then the minute the woman saw it, she was like. Like lost her breath and.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

And, you know, she hasn't stopped looking at it. Like, she probably has probably spent over a thousand hours analyzing, like, her toes.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen, this show. This show is coming back next season, and next season will be her filing 100. Well, the Ruella filing from the.

[Brandy]

So what I want to say is that. So I was like, turned off. I was like, God, bravo, man. Like, it's just too much, too fast.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, it's so much.

[Brandy]

But then I watched all. I watched all three episodes, Julie and I. And then I watched them all again, and then I was like, really became like, I paid more attention because it is very intricate. I became big fans of all of them. They really do. It's not like they look alike. It's just that you get, like, easily lost. They sound alike.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. And they all have dark hair. And so you're just kind of like, wait, hold on. Like, give me a second. You do kind of have to watch it again.

[Brandy]

I did, and it was so much better. And because they're all very. They're all very cute and they're all very charming and they have their accents. And it got a lot better when I watched it again. And then next week's episode, they are, like, on some trip also too soon. Why are you already on a cast trip? And then they track the guy. They're like, he's on his way to the mistress. Like, they somehow find him.

[Heather McDonald]

The podiatrist.

[Brandy]

Yes. On cuz she's been saying he's. He's like, you have my location. You know, I'm not doing it.

[Heather McDonald]

And he did it on foot.

[Brandy]

And he's got the good orthopedic shoes. Throw his phone into the, like, you know, to a barrel.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I love.

[Julie]

I do have to say in the same ditto. Also, I'm from New England, so I have like this weird visceral, like, thing where I'm watching it And I just feel. I can smell it. I can feel it. I can see it. I can. Everything about it, like, is just very homey to me and also summery to me. It's just weird to, like, have the sensory, like, overload with it.

[Heather McDonald]

But.

[Julie]

But also, I have to say, even though I'm from. Not Rhode island, but from Boston, who knew? Pizza, chips, pizza. I didn't. I didn't know.

[Heather McDonald]

Pizza, chips with no cheese. Because she said the cheese gets gross in the sun.

[Julie]

Didn't know.

[Heather McDonald]

All right.

[Julie]

Didn't know.

[Brandy]

I wasn't against it, but I kind of wished it was cut into slices.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. It wasn't chips. It was just a. A big puller. It's melted. It's bread.

[Brandy]

And it's like, how do you. And they're pulling it apart. I mean.

[Heather McDonald]

But I also say there's one scene where a couple old aunts show up, and I like. I feel like the moments that they have where they're sitting around and talking is really good. Like, it's very real. It's very good. You get a couple old aunts who's like, yep, the one aunt says, you know what? I want the best for you, but I hope you heard him. I hope you heard him.

[Julie]

I hope you heard him.

[Heather McDonald]

I hope you heard him. And they're, like, laughing, and the other girl's like, I had a husband cheated on me so many times. And you know what? It's not fun looking over your shoulder. Like, I. I was just like, yeah, you get that wisdom. We've all met those older aunt people that just, like, come with the wisdom.

[Julie]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

And, yeah, it's. It's.

[Brandy]

And they bring all the food.

[Julie]

They bring all the food.

[Brandy]

A lot of food in it.

[Julie]

Which is like. He's wandering. He's what? He's wandering.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, big news. Deadline news. I'm going to make you love me, Morgan.

[Brandy]

Wade.

[Heather McDonald]

She's. She doesn't even watch Beverly Hills. She doesn't have a tv. But turns out she got asked to be in a new show called Dutton Ranch. It's a special spin off from. From Yellowstone. Yeah. It's on Paramount. And she plays a bartender, which is weird because she's been. I've been sober for a long time, but I do know how to make a drink, and I'm going to be doing that, which I think is interesting because she was so. You know, she loved all the attention she got from being on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And then all of a sudden had to tell, you know, kyle, keep my name out of your mouth. Okay. Because I don't want these middle aged white women being my only fans. I like real country people. I like tattoo people. Like other people and not those people. So those people are fine. But I don't want to be known as the tattooed lesbian that is bringing the world the housewives to the Nashville opera or whatever. So good for her.

[Brandy]

So this is not like the reality show with like Kristen Cavallari's like, X with the three cowboy brothers. This is like a.

[Heather McDonald]

No, this is a scripted show. It's gonna be a new spin off called Dutton Ranch. And she plays the bartender. I think she's great, Cat. I think it's perfect. I would have cast her. My two myself too. I think she can do it. I think she's capable.

[Brandy]

I think she auditioned.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think she's pretty. I think it offered to her to get. And then Kyle Richards wrote booked and busy. And then Kyle Richard wrote again a bunch of these. This emoji, like hands that are like prayer but also clapping. I don't know what it is.

[Julie]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, so good for them. Great.

[Brandy]

Super happy to watch someone with no acting experience get an acting job. This doesn't bother us at all. Good for you, Morgan. Yeah, Congratulations.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Can you imagine all the other people that went for, like, and they were all like. On the times that's happened where you're like, you've gone back a bunch of times. And I remember, like, going back for the third time and hearing. Hearing the casting director making the deal for the next. For the person that already was booked it. Like, booked it. And I'm like. And I would still tell myself, oh, no, Heather, like, you're not hearing it right. Like.

[Brandy]

Or they won't accept the deal. It's crazy. I. I am a fan of the fact that she didn't audition simply because we.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know if she. She may have auditioned. I'm guessing she didn't, but we may get.

[Julie]

For you.

[Brandy]

We need to move into the era where, like, you saw me on tv. I'm not auditioning, you know, because. Right, that whole, like, bullshit.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

But I don't know, maybe. Hopefully she does and I'm sure she's good. I mean, remember, we can all watch. Remember the video with Kyle where they were kissing and she pushed her against the wall and stuff? I mean, riveting, riveting acting.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm going to.

[Julie]

She's not openly gay. I don't think she's out.

[Heather McDonald]

No. I said I had seen a, like, small town morning Dork show, you know, morning show. And she was, like, singing in, like, a tiny room. And she said, that's my husband over there. And I mentioned that. And some. She go. And they said, no. She'd always jokingly refer to this guitar player as her husband. I thought it, like, at one time she was in a straight marriage and then was single. So I don't think she's ever declared her sexuality.

[Julie]

I don't think she has. And I think that she's keeping it. That is the old chestnut of I don't reveal my sexuality.

[Brandy]

Yeah. Because the only time it's like, come on. You know, like when people say, are you related to Ron Howard? And I'd go, I'd rather not say. Which means, obviously, no.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

Someone goes, well, what's your sexuality? And then they'd say, I keep that to myself. And it's like, okay, you're gay.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

Like, because otherwise you're just like, I'm straight or whatever.

[Julie]

Why am I worried about it? I'm not worried about it. I'm not concerned. I'm not. I'm proud, in fact.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Julie]

Because I'm happy with who I am and I'm not worried about what anyone else is doing. But now I'm not going to disclose that's what Ricky Martin did. And I love him more than anyone in the world. But he, before he came out, would say, I don't talk about that. Anyone who has ever said they don't talk about their sexuality will come out as gay.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know that anyone has even asked her.

[Julie]

Now I think about it because one would think they wouldn't have to.

[Brandy]

I thought she wrote that song that Kyle really liked when Kyle slid in the DMs, and it was the one know you. You played us. Because this used to be, like, one of our favorite things to talk about on walks. Yeah, we go on girl walks and we talk about it. I thought the song was about, like, a hotel and a girl, and I thought it was overtly.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, there was no way. The story was that she allegedly, Morgan Wade, had a girlfriend, and then she went to Beverly Hills or went to la and then was possibly hanging out with Kyle. And then that girl came forward in like, a video or something to say, like, yeah, I was her girlfriend. And this is all. And then the song was like, I went to LA and met you in the hotel.

[Brandy]

Okay. That's.

[Heather McDonald]

It was secretive and da, da, da, da. And so if you listen to the words of that in the timeline, and then this other girl Saying, like, yeah, that wasn't great. But then, you know. But then, of course, you know, then. And then Kyle, you know, is wearing, like, a tie in her. In her confessional, and she's like, you know, her whole thing is talking to Erica, going, I had someone that in my life that was very special, and this person just didn't want to be public, and I didn't know what to do if I'm not supposed to talk about this person. What would you do? And Erica's like, I protect that person now. I would protect that man or I protect that woman. The person.

[Julie]

That's the other. That's the other. The other.

[Heather McDonald]

Think of this season. We're done.

[Julie]

I love Dorit. I love Dorit.

[Brandy]

Good point from before.

[Julie]

Is the queen that you can change

[Brandy]

your mind because we used to really dislike Dorit.

[Julie]

Oh, she like her now. Oh, my God. Get your cigarette. It looks like a Marlboro 100. Out of your bags. Tell them that you're. Oh, well, I'm not. I'm. Every single word that comes out of her mouth, I'm like, I have checked the temperature. I'm just loving it on.

[Brandy]

We don't do a lot of social media, but I check the temperature on Twitter, expecting everyone to be with us,

[Heather McDonald]

and a lot of they're not.

[Brandy]

They're not. They're with Erica.

[Julie]

I mean, and I love Erica, too, and I don't want them to not be friends. And that is sad, and that sucks.

[Heather McDonald]

But there's some moment that's coming in the reunion where when Dorit. Erica's like, you told me I had to work. You told me I had to work. It's alluding to that Erica had a brief romance with someone who was physically harmful to her, abusive, and she tells that story. And basically, they're saying it was Dorit who was like, you. You have to step it up and, like, tell your story. Something like that. And so the. Erica didn't appreciate that, I guess, even if she wanted to tell it. She alluded to, like, you know, and then. And then Dorit. I was also alluding to that fact. You know, you got to be up Kyle's ass because you could get fired. She can fire someone from the show. And then, of course, you know, one of the cunts in the zoom said, oh, she can't get people fired.

[Julie]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

We all know no one. No one person, whether it's Lisa, Fayette or Per, can get you fired. But if you're the person that's, like, the queen of the show, and no One is going to be on your side, and no one's going to film with you anymore because. Because you're like, this person's turned into an. And let's not hang with her anymore. That's what it means. It doesn't mean that she carte blodge can, like, call Annie and go fire dorit. It doesn't mean that they just. You want to get on her good side because she kind of is the center of the show.

[Brandy]

Yeah. They put you purposely on an island. They call it that. Jill Zarin invented it. It ultimately ended up biting Jill in the ass. But Jill put Bethany, tried to get the whole cast. Don't film with her. Try to put her on an island. And once you're on an island, you're screwed. Now you're only doing scenes like walking your dog and calling your family on zoom. Like, you have to be able to film. Also, you can't be in a situation where the cast is completely divided or half the cast will go, yeah, so. And that's kind of happening here, I guess. But, yeah, I mean, I wasn't sure what I think they were. I think they were sick of the fact that Dorit was late all the time. She was being a prima donna. She got. Gained a ton of popularity from smoking the cigarette in the car and the PK thing. A lot of people liked that they were. And felt she was victimized by pk. And so I think this season, she was whatever her deal was, and she was always being late, and they just got sick of, like, her, I guess, entitlement. That was my impression.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, the thing is, is that fair? You know, in real life, divorces can take extremely long y. And in real life, you would feel bad for your friend if they flaked at the last minute or if they said, you know, my. My ex didn't bring the kid back, and you time, whatever, and you'd be a friend to that person. But since it's a TV show and they've all been divorced, they're all like, I had one season to be sad. Buckle up, Betty. You know? And like, that's what it is. And she's just like, well, I'm still going through it, and I don't really like that you guys aren't 100 on my side. I like that you're talking to him. I don't like that you're, you know, somehow questioning my spending when I shouldn't be spending this much because I need to prove that I live in a lifestyle that will get me 60,000amonth. Because I need 60,000amonth. So just don't mention how much I'm spending or not. This is how much I've always spent. And I'm not going to stop just because I'm winning divorce because this is the lifestyle become accustomed to. So she's, like, playing the divorce game and then. But, you know, I mean, the way she is just like. Like, it's weird the way, like, her accent is not as English anymore because she's not a pk. But it's a lot of. But she's always just, like, thirsty. Like. Like, she's like. Needs a LOL or something. She's always like, yeah, she's always. She's like, well, I find it interesting, Erica, that you would come at me and be such a. You know. And then Erica's like, I don't need to be a bitch. Everyone thinks the way I'm thinking. And then Kyle's like, I.

[Brandy]

And I like Kyle, and I, like, love Erica, but I love Rachel Zoe, and I love those. So that's. That's my trifecta right there. So I'm just like, I watch those three shots.

[Heather McDonald]

I definitely think Erica Bose and Rachel are a fun combo.

[Julie]

Oh, they are.

[Heather McDonald]

And with Dorito, where they're like. Yeah. With, like, kind of the way they talk and stuff. And like, they feel more real.

[Brandy]

Yeah. And they'll all be on the same couch. Dorit and Bozen and. No. And Rachel.

[Julie]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandy]

Erica, Kyle, and Sutton will be on the other couch.

[Julie]

And then Rachel Bose and Dorit. Yes, I think. And they are so entertaining.

[Heather McDonald]

Watch that.

[Brandy]

That. What do you think? Do you think, Sutton? Oh, don't forget Jennifer Tilly. That was another thing that made us.

[Heather McDonald]

Jennifer Tilly and Kathy just need to stay because we just need light fun.

[Brandy]

We have.

[Heather McDonald]

And they are. They're like, we just want to be friends. Of, like, don't give us the diamond. I don't need the extra money. I'm here. And, you know, I think that's one thing going into Ladies of London before we close. I think that's another thing. I don't feel like any. Only like, two of these girls, like, really need the gig. Like, I feel like they're there, like, having fun. And in the Ladies of London, you know, it is. It is a fun thing to watch of, like, this English humor and the beauty of the. Of it all. And then, like, so much of it is just. And it changes the dynamic, too, to have the guy at first.

[Julie]

Now, I will say this. When they first Because Ladies of London started. The very first words spoken that you hear in Ladies of London is a man's voice. And the second I heard that, I was like, click.

[Heather McDonald]

What the. We have one thing. Yeah, it's called Ladies of London.

[Julie]

It's not called the one Gay male friend of Ladies of London. And it was so mad. But then going back and then watching him have to say, I'm a huge fan of him, Mark and all of them. And I'm. It's. It's. It's English porn. It's the countryside. It's the royalty of it. It's that home that the. The. The duchess or whatever she is.

[Brandy]

Langley or Langley Hall.

[Julie]

Yeah, exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

The beautiful girl that looks like Tandy Newton. Yeah.

[Julie]

Yes. And just like her whole thing and the safari and all of the things she's doing. And then Kimmy and I always forget this lady's name.

[Brandy]

American ones, which is good too. Kind of like they're not fish out of water, but they're a little.

[Heather McDonald]

But it's kind of fun with the. With the American one because it's like, is she being picked on or does she not get that kind of humor that's like, yeah, I'm just pissing on you. I'm taking the piss out of it. Right? Who cares? Oh, look at your outfit. You know, it's like. And yeah, a man that's like of that level, and he is a professional reality star. He was on the Chelsea show or whatever that was called. Reality show that you can actually watch on hey you Now. And you know, so he was on that. He had some great lines in that too. Somebody put a little compilation tape together. So real. And it's. I mean, it's fun again, It's a lot to take in because it's all new people. So it's like you really have to pay attention. And you're kind of like, okay, it's not. It's more fun. It's not big drama like Rhode island, where, like, families are getting blown apart. It's less like you want a low stakes one is very high stakes. Of two new shows.

[Brandy]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

One has the highest stakes. Just like blowing up people's lives and who's fucking who and, like, everyone's cheating and it's crazy. And then the London is just like the two stars of AB Fab meet a gay bestie. And like, there's like.

[Brandy]

But then also, I will say in the technical terms with Bravo1, the high stakes, which is Rhode island, they all look like everyone else on Bravo. They all have the lips. They all have the thing to the point where what's her butt and Dolores look like? Twins.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

They went to the same doctor. They admit that. And they look beautiful. But these women, it's in London. They don't have that Bravo face. Also because we also watched Real Housewives of London, which was only on. It's not on Peacock. It was only on Bravo.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

And then we, like, ripped it. I mean, allegedly. And it was good.

[Julie]

It was really good.

[Brandy]

Some old cast members from the old.

[Julie]

Really good.

[Brandy]

There's a different production company. It's a British production company. I'm having, like, a super, like, annoyance when I hear, like, the music when they walk in anywhere on any show here with Bravo. Because they do AI. And it's always like, I'm blinging my car and going to the door and I'm like, oh, just like the songs.

[Heather McDonald]

They do that on songs that are playing.

[Brandy]

They don't. Theirs is only beats like it used to be like Bravo. Like, da, da, da.

[Heather McDonald]

Just right.

[Brandy]

I don't want to hear some fake

[Heather McDonald]

song that's always on the Netflix, like, selling Sunday. It's like bling, bling, bling, going for it. Driving up the hill. So it's like shopping for purses.

[Brandy]

So annoying once again.

[Heather McDonald]

And then it's like hot heels walking by.

[Brandy]

Gotta do a thing and it bugs it. Seriously. Honestly takes me out of it. I'm like, lose the stupid AI. Like fake Ke$song.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Brandy]

So. And then with what has been seriously bothering me about the casting in the last few years, and it started with the downfall of Atlanta. They're not. And the only people saving it. I feel like. And I could be wrong there, because I haven't watched OC In a minute because it hasn't been on and Jersey hasn't been on. But literally, Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly are the only people making anyone laugh. And this show is funny funny. So at least we have that.

[Julie]

Yes.

[Brandy]

So it's like Bravo needs to seriously, like, have a come to Jesus. Get all of them together and get their casting together. Because you got to make people laugh. Oh, Bose makes me laugh too.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I have to say, in the. In the Rhode island one. Yeah. Then we going back to Rhode Island. We do another girl, too, who's, like, living with her guy, but she's not. Doesn't have a pot to piss. And of her own. And she's like, doesn't have any money in the bank and she's not. Her name's not on the title. So there's like that juicy story, but then also there are some funny times. Like that one girl goes about the other guy that the podiatrist, she's like, he also was married to my Spanish teacher and was cheating on the Spanish teacher with Ruella. And it was really sad because I like my Spanish teacher. And then I ran over a lady in the street. I'm like, wait, what? Like, she's like, I hit a. I hit a lady in a car. I hit a lady with my car. So I'm not a great driver. And you're like, did she die? Like, what?

[Julie]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

There's so much that they are funny. Well, listen, we gotta. We gotta wrap this up, people. But. Oh, someone. Someone put this together. I don't know who put this together, but they basically.

[Julie]

Oh, they're like Will and Grace.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Willing. Yeah. The two best friends.

[Julie]

Ladies of London is worth the watch. And like Kimmy and. And I can't. What's with the woman with the bird? I always forget her name.

[Heather McDonald]

Margaret, Mark or Maggie.

[Brandy]

There's a Margaret?

[Heather McDonald]

No, Margot is the American, so I

[Brandy]

thought her name might be.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. I think Maggie is the one with the bird.

[Brandy]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Kimmy is the one with the red lips.

[Julie]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And you know, you're like two, you know, drunks. I love it.

[Brandy]

My jam.

[Heather McDonald]

I love her.

[Julie]

She is amazing. And just like it is like, how

[Heather McDonald]

did reality TV not find these people earlier?

[Julie]

They're. They're.

[Heather McDonald]

Except for Mark, who was a professional.

[Brandy]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You guys, we have to wrap this up.

[Julie]

Okay.

[Brandy]

Heather, we're supposed to be doing. Oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so. I know, I know. Because you have a thing. Everybody follow Brandy and Julie on social media. Their Patreon is hilarious. They have the dumb gay politics, which is the free podcast. We are all going to be together live and we are going to do such fun stuff with Chris Franola. That is Netflix was a joke. So I'm so excited. For those that are going to. That I'm going to tell you some juicy shit on Patreon on Friday. That's how the McDonald done. And what else?

[Julie]

Anything else not launching or news flash, Nightmare on Strip street is coming to Phoenix at the end of July through August. We just booked that.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, you know that.

[Julie]

That'll be fun. Yeah. So for anyone around Phoenix and also Los Angeles peeps, October. I know it's a long way away, but Nightmare on Strip street will be in Los Angeles in the month of October. Jennifer Tilly, I'm looking at you. So.

[Heather McDonald]

And juicy scoopers like to plan so many people are flying out for the May Show. So for some reason you can go to the May show or you want to come back out to la. October is a great time to be here and you'll be able to see the Brandy and Julie show and.

[Julie]

And listen, I think in la, Heather went and I think you need to come again. We'll get.

[Heather McDonald]

I will come again. Definitely come again. And it was so fun.

[Julie]

Bring Peter. We're gonna put Brandon on the chair.

[Brandy]

We gotta go. But if you don't like politics, just join our Patreon, please.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

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