Brandy and Julie on Biggest Loser, RHOC and Premature Documentaries

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Brandy and Julie on Biggest Loser, RHOC and Premature Documentaries

Date: August 21, 2025
Host: Heather McDonald
Guests: Julie Goldman & Brandy Howard (Dumb Gay Podcast)

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Overview

In this lively episode, Heather welcomes Julie and Brandy back for their signature sharp, funny pop culture commentary after a six-week stint in Denver. The conversation dives into Netflix’s "Fit for TV" (the Biggest Loser exposé), reality TV docu-series mania, Real Housewives of Orange County drama (including rumors, exaggerations, and friendships gone awry), and a real-life update on a Hollywood legal battle. Classic Heather: plenty of Bravo, juicy industry tales, laughs, and candid authenticity.

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Major Topics & Insights

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1. Reunion Updates & Juicy Scoop Fandom

[00:26–04:00]

• Julie and Brandy discuss their Denver stage run, share stories about homesickness, and laugh about how many fans recognized them—“all really attractive women” per Julie.
  • Quote: “I have the best looking audience, and I’m proud to say it.” (Heather, 03:37)

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2. The Biggest Loser Netflix Documentary ("Fit for TV")

[05:47–19:32]

• Heather recaps the shock factor and controversy in the new documentary: Jillian Michaels facing fallout over caffeine pills, contestants gaining and losing extreme amounts of weight, and accusations that the show ruined metabolisms.
• Julie shares her personal connection: her late friend Poppy Kramer, a comedian and season finalist, struggled with weight loss, maintenance, and possible Adderall/caffeine misuse. Poppy’s experience underscored the dangers and lasting mental health impact.
  • Memorable moment: Julie describes Poppy carrying a massive food scale everywhere as she tried to keep weight off.
  • Quote: “When you fluctuate in weight like that more than a handful of times, you will die. And that’s what I think occurred.” (Julie, 11:18)
• Discussion on the toxic culture—especially for women—about weight, TV fame, and relentless body scrutiny.
  • Quote: “I mean, everybody pretty much is. It’s pretty rare that someone is like, you know what? I’ve been happy with my weight and my body my entire life.” (Heather, 12:19)
• High-pressure tactics on-set: dehydration, using Preparation H to cut weight for televised weigh-ins, and the culture of celebrating rapid, unsustainable losses.
• Rumors, lawsuits, and why Jillian Michaels was left out of the documentary.
  • Quote: “That is so shady that they do everyone and they don’t do her. She’s like one of the main things of the show.” (Brandy, 28:09)

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3. Premature Documentaries & Reality TV “Docs”

[25:31–35:36]

• Lighthearted but critical look at the recent (and sometimes baffling) trend of documenting newly-minted viral stories and minor celebrities—like William White, a TikTok sensation whose “true story” doc is hitting Paramount+.
  • Quote: “It’s gonna be like, E! True TikTok Story. Like, it’s just a TikTok story.” (Heather, 28:33)
• Discussion of Heather’s experiences participating (often unpaid) in TV docs, including Chelsea Lately retrospectives and Real Housewives specials.
• How little contributors are paid—usually nothing—and the reality that some stars (if pivotal) command substantial fees.

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4. Hollywood Lawsuit Update: Devin LaBella vs. Kevin Costner

[38:03–46:36]

• Heather gives a personal update on her niece, Devin LaBella, a stuntwoman suing Kevin Costner’s Horizon 2 production after an improperly managed, traumatic assault scene.
• The challenges of seeking justice in a male-dominated system, how professionalism is used against survivors, and disturbing ways trauma is dismissed.
  • Quote: “She (Devin) went through all the proper channels of saying, ‘Hey, something went wrong…’ Then she was shut out and not heard and pretty much blackballed and not worked since.” (Heather, 39:39)
• Wider discussion about Hollywood power structures, the #MeToo movement, and the price of coming forward.

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5. Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC): Deep Dive

[50:34–70:37]

• Breaking down the latest RHOC happenings:
  • Katie’s role as a controversial new cast member and her attempts to curry favor with Bravo bloggers/podcasters, sharing (and possibly fabricating) rumors.
  • A game of “telephone” involving claims that Gretchen accused Tamra of drugging her years ago—a story inflated and mutated through the cast and social media.
    • Quote: “I just think this is a case of, like, telephone that just then got exact. Everyone wanted to up the story they heard previously.” (Heather, 56:09)
  • The recurring pattern of Housewives spinning rumors about cast husbands’ sexuality—with no evidence, but plenty of drama.
  • Insider scoop: producers aren’t happy about the out-of-control social media/blogger scene, but “the toothpaste is out of the tube.”
  • Classic feuding: Tamra confronting Jen with old “unflattering” photos, Gretchen’s savage clapback about DUIs, ongoing cast trips and quitting threats, and Tamra’s shifting strategy.
    • Quote: “I wish there could be some fun and juice. I like the fat photo. I think I love the Gretchen DUI moment. There needs to be more of that.” (Heather, 70:20)

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6. Housewives & Reality “Jobs” Post-Fame

[76:48–78:36]

• What do former reality stars do post-show? Heather lists: real estate, podcasting, band/club gigs, OnlyFans, and the inevitable pivot to “life coach.”
  • Memorable exchange:
    • Heather: “There’s four jobs you can have when you stop being a reality star… Realtor. Podcaster. Singer. OnlyFans. And then possibly life coach.” (76:48–77:13)

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7. Travel Mishaps: Pickpockets & “Karen” Heroics

[78:36–83:38]

• Viral video: A tourist mom chases down pickpockets in Italy, recounted with glee—“Sometimes you need a Karen, and I think Karens are coming back in fashion.” (Heather, 78:57)
• Julie and Brandy share their own wild pickpocket encounter in Barcelona: “We attack them. Yeah, we attack them in the street. And they’re like, Come on, lady… And that’s when I come alive, Drake. That’s when I come alive.” (Brandy, 82:29–82:54)

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8. Quick Hits: Desperate Housewives, Brandi Glanville’s “Face Parasite,” Housewives Cruise Fizzle

[83:15–87:28]

• Eye-rolling at “guest star” gripes over actors’ perks on Desperate Housewives.
• Brandi Glanville’s ongoing health struggle—$130k spent to find the cause of a mysterious sensation in her face.
  • Thoughtful commentary about the toll of reality TV, mental health, and Bravo’s harsh ecosystem.
• Housewives cruise with Jersey cast members canceled—possibly due to bad sales or a return to filming.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “When you fluctuate in weight like that… you will die.”
  — Julie on rapid weight loss and Biggest Loser (11:18)

• “That is so shady… she’s like one of the main things of the show.”
  — Brandy on Jillian Michaels being absent from the doc (28:09)

• “I have done every documentary… for bone free. I have never been paid for any documentary…”
  — Heather, on reality doc payments (30:12)

• “She went through all the proper channels… Then she was shut out and not heard and pretty much blackballed.”
  — Heather on her niece’s case (39:39)

• “I just think this is a case of, like, telephone that just then got exact. Everyone wanted to up the story…”
  — Heather on the “roofie” drama (56:09)

• “There’s four jobs you can have when you stop being a reality star: Realtor. Podcaster. Singer. OnlyFans…”
  — Heather (76:48–77:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Fit for TV / Biggest Loser Doc: [05:47–19:32]
• Personal Connection (Poppy Kramer): [08:25–13:35]
• Reality Docs & Payment: [25:31–35:36]
• Kevin Costner/Devin LaBella Lawsuit: [38:03–46:36]
• RHOC Drama Deep Dive: [50:34–70:37]
• Housewives “Post-Fame” Careers: [76:48–78:36]
• Pickpocket Travel Stories: [78:36–83:38]
• Brandi Glanville/Quick Housewives Bits: [83:15–87:28]

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Final Notes

• The episode is packed with classic Juicy Scoop humor, plenty of room for insider gossip, a few important social commentaries (on weight, fame, and power), and a dynamic repartee only possible when Julie and Brandy join Heather.
• For Bravo fans and reality TV connoisseurs, this is a definitive must-listen episode.

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Transcript

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Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.

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When you're on the road, when you're.

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On the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales, her real life Mr. Segment, serial data and cereal sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in, listen up.

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Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. You guys may not deserve the week that you're having here at Juicy Scoop because we have now your favorite two girls.

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Oh my God.

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Back.

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Thank you.

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No, we did not stop being friends. No, there is no big drama. They had a big Hollywood moment in Denver.

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Yeah.

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For six weeks. Welcome back. Julie Goldman, Brandi Howard, stars of Dumb gay podcast, of stage and screen and theater and musicals and podcasting and commentating and watching tv.

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But per us, Chris Frangel got to come before we did that motherfucker.

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He is my first real guest that sat in the chair besides my own self and he was here on this week on Tuesday's show. And now you guys are here at the.

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We saw this room when it was a fixer.

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Yes.

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There is something about a neighborhood where everyone waves when they don't know each other. And I noticed it in my sister's gated community out in La Quinta years ago. And there is just something comforting about it. Yeah. Not gonna kill you. Thank you.

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We're not gonna come steal anything.

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Yeah.

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I'm not gonna hurt you.

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Yeah.

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Hi. Great.

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This is heaven.

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It is like driving into fantasy.

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I moved in things at all. And I'm still. We're still playing around with the looks of it. Hopefully you are subscribed to the YouTube and you can watch it there and see our beautiful faces. But yes, I'm. It's always like a work in progress of the studio and whatever. But okay, so you guys were gone for six weeks and doing this theatrical production and how. What did you like about being gone and what are you happy to come home to Cali?

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I honestly, I will not. I feel like I want. Don't ever want to leave my bed again. I feel like I don't ever want to leave the bed.

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You had to leave it today.

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It's true. Which is worth it.

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Yeah.

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But I missed. I got so homesick. Really, really homesick.

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Yeah.

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And I got. And. But then when I was back home and was in my bed, I was just like, oh, I'm so lucky to be back to my bed.

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You just missed your own bed.

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Yeah.

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We did meet a lot of this is true. We got stopped by a lot of Juicy Scoop fans. Oh, I love that in Denver. It was really cool.

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Chris franchise said he got stopped by someone in Iceland. Said I love you Iceland. I slid I love you on Juicy Scoop. It just means so much to me because I'm very lucky to be funny.

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They were all really attractive women too.

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I have the best looking audience and I'm proud to say it.

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Okay.

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Oh, my God.

[A]

Okay, first, I'm going to go back to this one and I. Because I just want to talk about the Netflix Fit for Life that everyone. Fit for tv. Fit for tv. And in it, Jillian Michaels did not participate. However, they talked obviously about her because she was one of the main trainers. And it was that there was a big drama about the fact that she gave her team caffeine pills. And it was on the show. And she said, on the show, well, it's better than, to me, in my opinion, it's better than giving a bunch of cup of coffees, which maybe would be caffeine. I mean, would maybe be calories. And so, but they said, well, we're still gonna cut you four pounds. We're gonna add four pounds to your group total, because remember, they'd be competing against each other. So she is furious and she says, I'm going to sue Netflix. Bob Harper, who was the other trainer, and Dr. Huzenga, who was like the medical doctor on it. And she said, I've got emails. I've got all this stuff about it going back and forth. And I read some of the texts and emails, and one of them that she shared was. Was talking to a contestant and it said, just work. Just do a light workout tomorrow and make sure you have at least 1600 calories. And she submitted that to show that they're not starving the people. But then I noticed that the girl wrote, can't wait to be back at the ranch. So that tells me, and I'm just surmising, from what I saw, I'm not on the legal case, but that tells me that whatever this contestant, because there was, you know, 19 years of the show or something had left and came back and by saying, have at least 16 calories and don't work that out that hard. In the special, they said they wanted you to be as fat as possible when you came back. And these two sisters were going to do it, and they wanted to kind of get a jump start. And they're like, no, don't have a jump start. Or maybe it was the copy. Don't have a jump start. Gain is be Eating as much as you can. So when you come and we make you take off your top and we just have to see you in your bralette, you look fat as fuck. Like, I mean, I just. So, of course, the show is just shocking to anyone that wasn't living through it, which we did. Living through it, meaning we watched it. We were aware of how inappropriate was. But then just to watch it even 15 years later, it's just shocking.

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Let me tell you my connection with Biggest Loser.

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Please do.

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So I don't even remember what year it is. We could look it up or not or whatever. But I knew and was friends with somebody who was on the. Who was on a contestant.

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Yeah.

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And I believe she either won or came in second that season.

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How did you know?

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Her name is Poppy Kramer now. She was a comedian from New York.

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Okay.

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And super talented. Super funny.

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Super funny.

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Also getting first or second is crazy.

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Ton of weight. She was very large.

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Okay.

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And very short.

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She was.

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She funny on the show?

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She's funny.

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So she's.

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She's a personality. She was a personality on the show. And I believe she was very, very liked and loved from the show, from what I understand.

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So where is she now?

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She died. Wait, stop.

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She died. She died of what?

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I know. That's why I kind of didn't want you to say her name.

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No, she deserves. That's why she wasn't in the special. I mean.

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Yeah, that's why she wasn't in the special.

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Why is she not. Why are they using someone famous in the documentary? So what did she die from?

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Well, it's. It's. It's. From what I understand, there was possibly an overdose situation, however, of caffeine pills, AKA Adderall. I mean, I'll say this. I. She. She means she was a full comedian and we went. So she did the Biggest Loser. I probably worked with her. I don't even know how many times. And I was. I've been on the road with her. I was. I knew her. I was friends with her when she. After the Biggest Loser. Or it might have been during the time when they. Isn't there a hiatus between. Like, there's some hiatus where they end and they have to live and then go back? I guess it's.

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Yeah, I kind of remember that. I don't know if that was included in the special, but in the documentary. But yeah, on that hiatus, they kind of like. Yeah. Go back to their house.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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So she was living the, you know, Biggest Loser. Like, how am I going to keep this weight off lifestyle on the road. And when I tell you this brought a scale as if it was the. The scales of Justice Drake. It was like the thing that you take down from the Supreme Court and.

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Put here.

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The doctor's office. Like, yes.

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It was like two things.

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And she was like a normal electric one.

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And she was like, I got it. She's kind of like a gruff, you know, Jew, New York Jew. And she was just like, I don't know, I just got to get this chicken. And I'm not sure how much it's going to weigh. So now that's too much chicken.

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She brought a food scale.

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Yeah.

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I thought you've got a scale for her to step on.

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Oh, no. Food scale.

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Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.

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And I mean, it was like her entire. It was a thing. I mean, and she was weighing the food.

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She was, she like, running like, you're at some gross motel and she's like running around the motel.

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She was, I mean, when. And she was tiny. So skinny. She got so skinny. And then now, in my personal opinion, they get so skinny in such a short amount of time. When you fluctuate in weight like that more than, you know, a handful of times, you will die. And that's what I think occurred.

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Yeah, well, they taught that. It's very, very sad. How long did she pass?

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It's been a couple years, I guess.

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It was, wasn't it before. It was before 20.

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2018 or 2019. I think that she. I think she was. The last time I saw her, I think she might have been a little depressed.

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It was very sad, but it was.

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Really, really, really sad. And she. She was constantly fighting that weight. And she did. She did gain weight back, but she didn't get as fat as she was at the beginning, but she did, she did fluctuate and weight that. That. I think there's something happens. Can you. There's something happens when not only are you doing weight loss, which is extremely. Which is so hard. And listen, we know, you know, fluctuating in the weight and everything, and. Yeah, do what I have to do.

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But we're all there. Yeah.

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You know what I mean?

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I mean, everybody pretty much is. It's pretty rare that someone is like, you know what? I've been happy with my weight and my body my entire life.

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You know, it is fucking Drake. Look at Drake. Look at his legs up. He's like, my body's good. Like, literally, he's like, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

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Like, women's voices.

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I know. Well, Guys, if they want to lose weight, all they have to do is be like, I'm going to give up beer and fries.

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Yeah, For a day.

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Yeah, a day.

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I lost 30 pounds last night. It's like, wow, good for you. I know.

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My mother texted me, like, your brother lost 50 pounds. I was like, when?

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When?

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What are you talking about? He lost £50. Oh, great. Now I have to go kill myself. Like, great. I'm glad he lost. He was able to lose 50.

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Do you know how hard.

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Drake, do you.

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I give bread for a night, and I've lost 10 pounds, 50 pounds.

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That motherfucker. So.

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But there is that thing where you lose it quickly and then your heart.

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You know, but then also, I just want to add. And they're on a TV show, right? And they become personalities. So now you're fluctuating in a huge amount of weight. You're living the lifestyle of being on reality tv, and both of those things are taken away and. Or one of those things is fluctuating. And I think the mental instability of that causes a lot of problems.

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And when you do start to gain weight, the former fat friends are calling each other and they're happy. They're getting fat again.

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Yeah.

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And then the people that were rooting for you, strangers or not, are just, like, heartbroken, and then you're upset with yourself. Yeah. I mean, but basically what they said in the doc is that, you know, first it sounded like they were blaming on the show, and then this one contestant said, listen, I fluctuated so much in my life of going up and down and up and down before I got to the Biggest Loser that I had probably already fucked my metabolism for life.

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Yeah.

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And so they have this one guy that won it, and he, you know, I'd lost so much weight, what, like, literally, like almost £200 in six months or something. And he, like, shows his muscles and this and that. Then he gets on Dr. Oz and they, you know, fix his skin and. And then they're. Then they cut to him today, and he's bigger than he was ever. He must be close to £400. But also, he's sitting in a chair like we're sitting in. And I said to Drake, I go, seriously? Like, the angle. Like, they basically had the camera, like, going up from his cross crotch, so his stomach was like this. And I'm like, I get it. They had to show that he was, you know, heavy again, seemed happy. He's like, I have a great life. I have a great wife. He's like a teacher or Something, you know, and then the. The other people that had maintained their weight or even gotten thinner, they're like, I'm on, you know, I'm on Ozempic, and it's great. And it stopped the food noise. And we're. I'm just thrilled. And, you know, so. And then they, you know, cut to, you know, Jillian Michaels saying, I don't know if they cut to her on the special. I saw somewhere she's with Bill Maher and she's just like, you know, yeah, it doesn't work and you'll die. Whatever. Well, of course they don't. You know, the. That industry doesn't really want it, you know, but now there's a lot that are going with it being like, here's some. Here's a supplement you can take to keep you regularly. Here's a way to get your protein in. Oh, this is what you have to do when you're on GLPs. You have to, you know, if you're gonna eat. I saw a commercial for a prepared meals that are specific if you are on GLP1s so that they're so high protein.

[C]

The money that's going to be made. It's. I mean, come on.

[A]

Why.

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But why wasn't Jillian Barbary. I mean, Jillian Michael. Why wasn't she invited to participate?

[A]

Well, people said, if you had a big gripe about it, why wouldn't you? Come on. I think that she's just become, like, very controversial in her opinions of things. And I don't know, I had her on my show years ago, and she dropped the juiciest bomb that I was like, literally had to change my underwear after I was like, I am so wet. This is insane.

[B]

What was it?

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Well, then I got the call, like, right before it was about to go up while I was actually at Jill Zarin's house. And it was like, you can't play that part.

[B]

Was it about the Biggest Loser?

[A]

No, it. I will tell you at lunch, but it was about when she was. She was an agent's assistant. And she would hear, you know, anytime an agent has a call with anybody, the assistant's on the phone, like, taking notes and things rolling the call back in the day. Now, I guess you could just, you know, record it or whatever. But, like, back then you'd have someone kind of. And she would hear very, let me say, Epstein, like, behavior of meeting people. And so something like that is all I'm gonna say. I don't know who, you know, but obviously someone could go, oh, well, who did you work for whatever. So all I'm saying is she said, take it out, and I didn't have it in there.

[B]

And.

[A]

But it was something about whatever she heard was, you know, just juicy, juicy. And she said it all. And I couldn't believe that she was saying it, but I can see why it's a dangerous thing for me even to, like, reference right now, which I wonder, did I say too much?

[B]

No, you really didn't. No, we couldn't figure it out.

[C]

Not at all.

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We can't figure out, like. Yeah, it just. It was just a. Not a. It was just. Yeah, not a good story about that. That these people working in that industry. Okay, so. So then from the. The story that I remember hearing is that she was like, like, in an age I. Yeah. And then this. This job came up and she was getting into fitness and she, like, auditioned for it, but she was actually representing people or was on her way to be an 8. So she's been in the industry for a long time. Entertainment industry, but she was just a.

[B]

Fit person who was auditioning. Like, she wasn't a trainer, you know.

[A]

Now I'm like, wondering if I am remembering the story, but she definitely worked as an agent's assistant at a big agency. And then between there and get. And somehow then got on this and, you know, it was just such a good combination between the two of them and all that. But this other guy just did an interview and he said the only thing that Jillian Michaels told us to do because he was one of the contestants, is the night before the weigh in, they'd rub pepperation H all over their bodies because some people, you know, put on their butthole, but other people put it, like, under their eyes to, like, take away puffiness. So if you put it all over your body, that will. That will suck up the water weight a little bit. Then you do your weigh in and then you go drink some water. And according to him, which the interview was on tmz, he said that's. That was one of the things that she said to do.

[C]

Does that, like, tighten up your skin or, like.

[A]

I mean. I mean.

[B]

I mean, it depuffs.

[A]

I mean, it reminds me of when, like, people would do those, you know, Tamara and Teresa, like, workout fitness things where they make you, like. They paint you like a chocolate brown.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Part of that is they want you to be super dehydrated so that your skin sucks to your muscles so much. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you really. You are really, like, barely drinking. You drink like three days before bath. Yeah. You do any water?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is, like, such a weird thing because it's like, drink as much water as possible is the healthy thing. As I take a sip.

[B]

Didn't the one other guy die, too? Didn't one of the host people?

[A]

But no, Bob Harper had a horrible heart attack.

[B]

Oh, he had a heart attack.

[A]

He had a horrible heart attack. And he said that out of everybody that he knew in his life, everyone reached out to him. But Jillian Michaels, that is.

[B]

What do you think the difference between a regular heart attack and a horrible heart attack is?

[A]

I mean, he had a long recovery.

[B]

So he fully had a.

[A]

He, like, literally was, like, at a gym or somewhere and, like, fell to the ground. And I don't know if he was working out or what, but, yeah, just, you know, I guess like a ticking time bomb. One of those things where it's like, heart attack, you know, is a heart attack. Like, yes, there's ways to prevent it, but it happens to the healthiest people, and it happens to the ones that are not. I don't know. But. But he's still alive, so he looks good. And then this other guy I saw said, I want to tell you my Bob Harper story. This is just someone I saw on, like, TikTok, and he's like, I was a gay fatty, and there's nothing worse than being a gay fatty. But I was a gay fatty, and I. But I love Bob Harper because he's a thin gay, you know, and a fit gay and gay with a little dog. So, I mean, what could be better? So he's like, I bought the books. I did the diets. I was working my ass off, and I had lost a lot of weight, you know, for him. And he sees him out one day, and he's like, oh, my God, Bob, I'm such a huge fan and everything. And he's doing the text. Out he goes and. Hold on, I'm gonna stop the recording, and then I'm gonna do another bit. That's what he says to show you what. How Bob harbor looked at me. Okay. And he said, bob harbor went like this. He went like. He went okay. And just, like, walked away.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Looked him up and down and was like, okay, okay. Like, thanks for saying you're a fan of mine, but you're not a body I approve of. Still, like, it was just.

[C]

God.

[A]

But I think since he almost died, he's probably a lot nicer.

[B]

Was he in the dock?

[A]

Well, he's in the dock. All over the dock. Yeah.

[B]

I love that she's not in the dock. I'm living by that. That is so shady that they do everyone and they don't do her. She's like one of the main things of the show.

[A]

Sometimes I think people choose not to do the doc because they're like screw you, it won't be that good without me. Or they it's not for pay and they're like I'm not doing it. Or they do ask for pay and it doesn't meet their amount and they're like it. But the thing is is that, yeah, then you don't know what someone's going to say about you from 15 years ago. It's the end of summer. I know many our feeling that that dry heat, everything we've been through, our hair and our skin most likely have really suffered. That is why I love the Iris Store Elite plus the Illumina Face Mask Bundle. Okay. This is so easy, so easy to use. You guys are absolutely going to love it. There's infrared red light that helps anti aging collagen. The blue light is for blemishes. I've been using this face mask. I absolutely love it. And then of course the Irestore Elite is for the hair growth. So you can just go off on yourself. You can listen to Juicy Scoop while you do it and watch it and you will notice such a huge difference this year. Don't just bounce back. Glow back with powerful clinical level tech for your hair and skin. For a limited time only, our Juicy Scoopers are getting a huge discount on on the Irestore Elite and Illumina Face Mask Bundle. When you use the code [e-mail] head over to irestore.com and use code Juicy Scoop for our show's exclusive discount on the Irestore Elite plus Illumina Face Mask Bundle and be sure to check out their website for some amazing deals on all the devices and bundles. Right now, please support Juicy Scoop and tell them we sent you. Start your head to Skin Glow up with Irestore. This episode of Juicy Scoop is brought to you by booking.com, booking. Yeah. From vacation rentals to hotels across the US, booking.com has the ideal stay for anyone, even those who might seem impossible to please. Whether you're booking for yourself, your partner, your picky teens or your sleep light early to rise mom, you can find exactly what you're booking for on booking.com I recently used booking.com, booking. Yah. And it was so great because we needed to find the perfect hotel where we did have a small kitchenette because my sons need to eat, but we wanted everyone to have their own space. And it was a cute walking area. It's also so great if you're still trying to book an end of the summer trip. You want to find that one that's by the beach, that's walkable, that's close enough, or that has, you know, a seaside sitting area to eat and enjoy your coffee. You can find it all there. If our family can find their perfect stay on booking.com. anyone can find exactly what you're booking for booking.com booking. Yeah. Book today on the site or in the app.

[B]

Okay, well, let me ask you exactly if they come and they go, we're doing Chelsea lately Doc.

[A]

Oh, I'm sure it's next, because guess what? Doc. They're doing next.

[B]

What?

[A]

Oh, my God. I cannot believe this. This person has a doc. Okay. William White was on my show because he had every woman over 50 rubbing one out to him during COVID He was a Canadian. Cute boy that would poorly lip sync. Oh, Mandy and I have you. I know. And songs like that right to the camera, and it just. It made you feel like John Travolta was singing to you. And so it was like. It was a big thing. And anyway, he came on my show, and I got to hear the whole story of how he became, like, how this all happened, how he just heard this. This. His dad was playing this song, and he just did it, and then it just blew up. And then it was like, oh, my God, only do songs from, like, the 70s.

[B]

So it was all Barry Manilow.

[A]

It was all, like, songs from the 70s and, like, him being cute. Then he got a modeling agent. And I remember talking to him on Zoom, and he's like, so do you see palm trees? And I was like, yeah, like, we live in la. There's palm trees everywhere. And he goes, I just want to see a palm tree one day. And I was like, oh, I should appreciate these palm trees more.

[B]

Anyway, where does he live?

[A]

He was in Canada. And then he said, I'm working on my weight. The modeling agent was saying, like, he needs to slim down. And I said, well, I think you should get into acting. And da, da, da, da. Because he was just so appealing then. I never heard about him again. He has his own documentary on September 9th on Paramount.

[C]

Plus, what are we documenting?

[A]

His.

[C]

His weight journey. The.

[A]

The entire trailer is just basically tick tocks and women responding to tick tocks. And then that also women bought him things and that they Came up to him and the mother, and his own mother was like, you know, you're in.

[B]

The dock for sure.

[A]

No, I, I, I, I mean, not in the trailer.

[B]

They're gonna play the clip of you being like, yeah, I should appreciate the palm trees.

[A]

I mean, it was just a zoom thing. So I don't know. But they could, you know, if it. And I don't know that it was on YouTube at the time. So it's like they could take things off of YouTube without asking me. I will have no idea if it's on.

[B]

Are they allowed to use a clip from your podcast without clearing.

[A]

As long as it's on YouTube, yeah.

[B]

It has to be for 2020.

[A]

It's not. Oh, well, it's on in 2020, you mean? Yeah, I'm not sure. We'll have to check.

[B]

But it's paranormal. We've got to be in the William.

[A]

White Dog, you know, and yeah, I think then he struggled with the fame and then people were sending him money and tips and all this stuff. And the mom's like, we never had a meal that we didn't pay for. But then people would be coming up to us. And so I'm sure it was, it's going to be kind of something about how, like, it's the first tick tock fame, you know, what was that show on E. That was like, e. True Hollywood Story. It's going to be like, e True TikTok Story. Like, it's just a TikTok story.

[B]

How he, like, degraded.

[A]

Yeah. Because I don't, I don't think he ever did, like, come and do any acting or anything. I don't know. But now he has his own doc, so. Yes. Should there be a document about Chelsea?

[B]

My question to you. My question is, would you. They're gonna do Chelsea lately. They're gonna have all the people. We, we all know the people. We don't need to say, but because Julie and I love to be like, that's gonna cost you. Like, we don't have time. We're time poor. We're very time poor.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Would you do it for. Okay, let me, let me give the parameters. You're gonna have to drive to Culver City.

[A]

I think that's Culver City spot.

[B]

Okay. And it's so inconvenient. It's. People who don't live here. Don't understand how inconvenient.

[A]

It really is.

[B]

From the Valley, Robertson.

[A]

And you still have so long.

[B]

You've still gotta get free. Honestly, it's more convenient for you now Than it is for us from. From Burbank to Culver City, I'm like this. Nope, I'm not doing it. I'll go to Vegas. You could literally say, drive to Vegas and I'd do it. All the auditions in Vegas, I'll be there. So it's Culver city. Yeah, it's 8:00am okay. It's a six hour day.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Now you get to do the thing where you go, are we really doing this? Yeah, no, because we're really doing this free.

[A]

I have done every documentary that I've been part of for bone free. I have never been paid for any documentary, any Nightline, any Hulu doc, any Hustler in the Housewife. No, I just recently found out that people can get paid.

[B]

You haven't gotten paid for the things we see on the shit?

[A]

No.

[B]

Are you shocked?

[A]

Don't be shocked. I'm a thirst bucket.

[B]

I'm so excited. You will.

[A]

Literally somebody is gonna be running the camera besides my son at this point that I'm like, yeah, I'll be there.

[B]

No, I'm shocked because you'll be paid to literally show up to a party. So then I would also go to.

[A]

The party for free. But if they're paying, I'm like, great.

[B]

So they don't pay for these dogs. I had no idea.

[A]

I. I don't know.

[C]

I only, like, some people may maybe. Right. Yeah.

[A]

I found out only through somebody else that we were both part of it. And, you know, I got paid nothing and that person got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars. But I have to say, without that particular person, I don't think that there really would have been a doc at all. So. So I. I don't blame someone for demanding it. Of course, it's kind of under the guise of, like, journalism and stuff. So I know when they've done. They did a housewife one recently, they've done housewife ones. And I've heard that when they reached out to Real Housewives, they have said, we, you know, we want to be paid. And if they were offering them, it was so little that they're like, I don't think I want to do it. You know, when it's not a Bravo related thing. Like, if I'm gonna kind of piss off Bravo and talk about, like, it's gotta you know, be significant.

[B]

Okay, you have a question? But I have one more. Okay. First of all, of course I would.

[A]

Do it because it was such a.

[B]

Big part of my life.

[A]

I would never be part of it.

[B]

You know, it's six hours. It's 8:00am Culver City. Yes.

[A]

I would do my own hair, makeup, like I always do.

[B]

Yeah. Do you decide?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I'm not being paid now. I'm. And this goes with the Bravo thing, too. It's like, okay, well, then I'll come to your free, but I'm not giving the dirt. But now if they give you. Let's say they give you 10 grand for an hour, and then you're like, okay, I'm just going to tell all the. Like, how far do you go telling the secrets in the dock? Are you going to be?

[A]

Well, I feel like I have talked a lot about it on my podcast and on Patreon, so I feel like it's already. There's nothing I would spill there that I haven't spilled somewhere else, even on the get me Behind Gates level of Patreon. But I would have to. I don't remember. I've done like 900 episodes, but I know there's probably very little. It would. Probably the way they would get the dirt is if they brought up something that I honestly had forgotten about.

[B]

And then you tell the truth.

[A]

Yes. At this point, sure. There isn't that much, like, there's nothing illegal or. Or salacious or sexual harassment or anything that ever happened on that show. It's just like, oh, wow. You know that, like, just like, it would be about the fit for life. Like, wow, that's. I can't believe they, you know, to someone that's, you know, 25 watching TV now, they'd be like, I can't believe they did that. I can't. Oh, my God, that's horrible. Like, what was that about?

[B]

Like, when we saw you making out with Fortune when you were being Jerry, Joel.

[A]

Heather. Heather. See, I forgot about that.

[B]

I literally forgot so good. I literally, literally made out with a full woman.

[A]

Okay. Because we're doing. I mean, yeah, we would just do crazy shit. But the thing is that there wasn't. There weren't podcasts then cutting a clip and dissecting it. There weren't. There wasn't. There wasn't even Instagram until, like, the last couple years of the show. There wasn't all of that. It wasn't even, like, people tweeting about it just because the next day there'd be a whole nother show. Right. So there wasn't just. There wasn't a long way of it living. It wasn't on YouTube. The episodes weren't on YouTube. You either watched it on E. Or you didn't. Watch it at all. So it's just like the only time that someone got mad was when she made a joke about Syria, God and this, and Syrian people like, she needs to apologize. And she's like, well, I'm not. And then the other one was comment, some comment that was made about Anna Nicole's daughter. And Birkhead was like, well, let me come down and you interview me about it or something. And we're just like, no, like that was it. Like we just the next day moved on. We never, like the, the rerun would only run. Like, the rerun would only happen, you know, within that week or maybe a random one once in a while. But like, so there weren't reruns for. It wasn't like a sitcom like, oh, we better remove that. Right? You know, so it was just kind of like, yeah, so, yeah, I think we're probably next. I think we're probably next to have a doc.

[B]

Do you want to ask your question?

[A]

Everybody has one, so, like, why don't we have one yet?

[B]

So good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, first of all, I really enjoyed this hard hitting interview.

[B]

I have even more to say because.

[C]

They just spun off E. They just.

[B]

Spun off E out of nbcu. There's so many opportunities, so many. Be such a good documentary.

[C]

It would be such a good documentary. My question is this for both of you.

[B]

Actually, it should be more than once.

[A]

I will say this, I will say this. Besides not getting paid, which I still don't, I have, I have finally, after living out far from everything in LA my entire life. Woodland Hills now further in Thousand Oaks, I now have. When people ask, I say, you can come to the house. That now I do that. So I wouldn't be going to Century City. And I do think if they do the Chelsea lately thing, that I'm valuable enough that they would come. Yes, to my house.

[B]

And I do see Drake making a note like, I'm gonna say no to the documentary because now I have to.

[A]

Deal with setting up the house. Okay, go on. Yes.

[C]

Here's my question. This is, you know, just, just, just to piggyback on this interview. My question is this, Is it attractive when a grown man says, all I.

[A]

Want is to see a palm tree? All the way back to William White, it was like.

[C]

Do we? Do we? How do we feel about that?

[A]

Honestly, it made me go. I need to appreciate where I grew up and live. I am appreciative of my life in California, which is why I'm not moving to Wyoming or Austin or any of the other states. That treat you better, but I mean, less expensive, but. But yeah. And you don't have to pay taxes or whatever the case. But yeah, I just was like, yeah, that must be. I also kind of thought, oh, you're right. Like you grow up in a cold part of Canada and you see 921. Oh, you see all the movies that involve palm trees and you've never seen one. And I just thought that's such a simple, sweet thing. And I do think he was kind of a simple guy. I mean, he wasn't going to college or anything. And I remember his parents were. I remember something. I was like, are any of these women trying to like get to your dad? You know, because clearly they're like old and you're like the younger version of your dad. And he said, yeah, and it's like a pro, you know, like I have a mom. Like she likes my dad. Like, it's a bit much like I remember it was, it was short because I'm like, I'm interviewing this like TikTok sensation five years ago when nobody know, when everyone still thinks TikTok is dancing and he's doing lip syncing and literally useless.

[B]

He's a useless.

[A]

No, it is a documentary and they, but they did not contact me. I will be absolutely shocked if they show a clip of Juicy Scoop.

[C]

Did he not actually sing the song? He lip synced them.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The man.

[B]

And you know, Eddie has a lifetime.

[A]

Doc, a doc about his life.

[B]

No, it's about 50 year old women, how they need help.

[A]

That's the doc.

[B]

The doc is what is the psychosis that happened to these women? You actually came with the take. That's so good because it never even would occur to me that they're coming for the dad. I never even would have thought that they would.

[A]

Yeah, like, is he single? Is he. Da da da, da. You know. Okay, so a little update on a case that we've been covering, which is a lawsuit involving Kevin Costner and stuntwoman Devin LaBella, who is my niece. And she has been a professional stunt woman for years and stunt coordinator and was, you know, had a, you know, over a hundred things on imbd. She's been working since she was three years old. She's very professional. And basically the case is she was working on as a stunt double at this. In this particular scene on Horizon 2, which is a Kevin Costner trilogy. And she'd worked on the first one and there was a, a rape scene where she was playing the. The doubling for the lead in which it Was not planned out. It was not worked through the rules of SAG aftra, which is you need to have this many year, this many hours prior to doing it. You need to meet with an intimacy coordinator. You need to know about it and basically to lead up to it. Now Kevin Costner's people are asking for it to be dismissed. And part of the dismissal and all these articles that was written about Devin is that there's people on set that said she seemed fine and was acting professional afterwards and was not screaming and crying. And in fact, they zoomed on in photos where she looked to be having a slight smile. Oh.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Yeah, so. And just so people know too, in everything that's been reported, that right away there's text messages of her saying, what the hell happened? She was so distraught, she actually sought a therapist within three weeks of this incident. So to try to do a story of, well, now it's now many, many times, many years later, this person is doing a money grab or whatever. That's not at all at all the case. She went through all the proper channels of saying, hey, something went wrong. This shouldn't have happened, and I don't want this to happen to future women, especially in my business. Then she was shut out and not heard and pretty much blackballed and not worked since. And you know, there is. This is Hollywood and he's a huge mogul. And these people that are now, you know, signing off on it are all men who worked on the show that was about women in the 1800s.

[B]

Oh, is that what it is?

[A]

It was like a Western. And so it just kind of ironic that her. The. This female character in person wasn't really respected either on the set.

[B]

What does it mean when you ask for a case to be dismissed? I mean, don't. Does everyone want that?

[A]

I mean, I don't think it's going to happen because they have so much evidence of. Of correspondence and everything else. And now people will have to be.

[B]

So he like, piled a thing to have the judge dismiss it. There's no way to get out of.

[C]

This that she was fine, that this is bullshit.

[A]

You can sue someone in public and like, she's professional.

[C]

God forbid you've professional after you're harassed at work.

[A]

I mean, when I was harassed by Norm Pattis, I chuckled uncomfortably too.

[B]

Of course, we all.

[A]

It doesn't. You know, it's like, what. You're just like, what's going on?

[B]

And when she's a stunt person, she's. She's like literally trained to be in A scary, stressful, life threatening situation and play it off like it's not scary. That's literally the job of a stunt person. Like, of course she did that and then was processing it.

[C]

And not for nothing, if I may, even in real life, even if you're in a back alley and you get even if you cannot win for losing with shit like this, with women like, you can't even.

[B]

There's no right way to react.

[C]

What were you. And also, well, what were you wearing? Even if it truly happened in real life, how many times? What was she wearing? Why did she go to go to the railroad room? Why did you let him open the door? Why did you let him touch you? Why did you. Why did you. Why did you. It's always the woman's fault, always. Whether it's at work or whether it's an actual real life. Whether it's. And it's just like, you know, we.

[B]

Hate this story, Heather. It's so triggering.

[C]

It's. It drives me.

[B]

And now she's going to be told she doesn't even have the, the right to. When she did everything right that every woman is scared to do right and.

[A]

Did it right the way you're, you know, the way the unions are telling you to do it the way you're supposed, you go to your superior, you have a conversation with them, all this stuff and you know, yeah, I assume, you know, he is who he is and is, you know, like going his way and you know, he's a huge person in Hollywood. He can give a lot of people jobs. Is it so hard? Devin, the stunt woman is not. It doesn't, it does not have a studio named after her and is not going to be hiring a million people. So the people that were on her side, I'm assuming either, you know, are not coming to the forefront in her defense. But we'll see because it's now going to have to go to the next level. But this is just another way to.

[B]

You know, even if you did makeup or hair and now you. It was kind of like that Nickelodeon doc. It's like, now, why are you going to go forward now? I'm going to go and testify, then I'm going to lose my job. Right now I'm not going to get to do hair on horizon 10, you know, because I want to say I witnessed the trial.

[A]

All those people will have to share and there is, you know, gonna be evidence of that.

[C]

You know, Kevin Costner had an opportunity to step up and be a real man and to, I would imagine it would have gone a long way for him to go. You know what? I'm really sorry. And we weren't thinking. And pay a certain amount of money to her. Apologize, perhaps change the rules on the set moving forward. Be an actual man. Be a human being and try and do something and try and do it right. This is somebody's. You have daughters. You have a wife. Like, what are we doing here?

[A]

The reason. The only thing I thought the same thing. The only thing I thought was it's maybe the. Just a huge narcissistic ego of someone like that, of never wanting to admit that they did anything wrong. And then also maybe not by not admitting. Because I was like, why wouldn't you just say, hey, there was a massive miscommunication on my set? And, you know, therefore, this. And this was all before there was any. You know, this was all in the beginning. Yeah. It was just like, just acknowledge and let's see what. How we can fix it. And then it was like, no, you know, now you're no longer. You're no longer asked back on the next movie. You're no longer, you know, now you have the major stink on you. Like, I've had stink on me where people just avoid me. And it's been nothing like this. And that's just. You know, it's.

[B]

You.

[A]

You think things got better since me too. No, it's almost like it took a different turn. That it's like. So anyway, that's where we're at with that, and I'm excited to see what else will come.

[B]

Lawsuits going forward. But he's trying to get it dismissed.

[A]

Yes, but we're saying. Saying that there's no merit to it and everything. And there definitely is. Otherwise, you know, she wouldn't have.

[C]

There's so much evidence, Devin, when you want the vigilante group to get together. Okay, I am, like, so down. You have no idea.

[B]

Well, we are definitely 100%, obviously behind her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the Blake Baldoni thing didn't get dismissed, did it?

[A]

No, that's still going. And the latest on that is. Is very interesting because she, you know, she is deposed content creators thinking that he or Wayfarer may have paid them to do a smear campaign. He has deposed the girl that played her in the Younger. The younger version of herself in It Ends With Us. And now she is saying that she's being harassed and bullied by being submitted, subpoenaed by Justin, which, of course he has a right to subpoena her because she was on the set and he's being accused of sexual harassment. It's like, listen, you know, whatever happened there, that needs to be cleared up and exposed as well. Like I'm not blatantly going, you know, oh, it's always this person's in the right. But when something goes wrong, like let's see, she's saying something went wrong on the set. So yeah, we'll see what comes out of it and where we go with it.

[B]

You know, I certainly hope this thing with Devin is not thrown out. That will be such a tragic injustice on top of Injustice injustice on top of it.

[A]

I don't crazy. I don't think so, but it's hard. Now we, we're gonna get into Housewives now and we're gonna have such even a better time when we get into the Housewives in person during Bravicon on Friday, November 14th at the interval MGM Grand. And it's in a live Juicy Scoop. So let's get into.

[B]

What date is it?

[A]

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[B]

People that you have some major tea.

[A]

I have lots of tea.

[B]

I'm so much good that you're she will not you guys. I want you to know she won't let us talk about it here. Yeah, she'll barely let us talk about it on the phone.

[C]

But we will be in Vegas too by the way. Yes, a lot of juicy.

[B]

She wants to save it for Vegas and it is so we've talked about.

[C]

It so many times there's a piece.

[B]

That you guys have to come to the Vegas show so you can hear it.

[A]

Okay, so now let's talk about what's going on in Real House Soc, because it's a lot, and if you're not watching, you know, I always make it interesting for you, and I'm going to tell you what's going on. There's a girl who's in her second season named Katie. She's a very pretty Asian girl who was adopted from, I think, Korea to a white family. And she is divorced and married to a very nice guy. And she was living in San Diego, but she very much wanted to be on the OC and is renting a house in the OC and she's on it. She's very attractive. She reached out to, I am telling you, every person that has an Instagram account that might have Bravo somewhere written into the description. I personally talked to five different people that she reached out and talked to to try to befriend and get info out about her castmates. So we see this uncovering on the show because those same people that she talked to, other housewives like Tamara also talks to, in my opinion. Okay, so Tamara has been talking to people like me from a million years ago, but I never broke stories. Like, I get these housewives, don't tell anybody. Don't anybody. And they kind of want me to say it on my show, but that's not what I do. And. But these other people are like, oh, my God, I'll do a. A meme about. I'll share that thing. So, you know, she talks to these other people and it starts to get out, and then it gets back to what she said. It gets back to Tamara through the other people that do all this. And then Tamara brings it out on camera and it's that Gretchen who was on the show. Many years ago, there was an infamous scene with Gretchen and Tamara where Gretchen goes to Tamara's house and Tamara has got her older son there, Ryan and Vicki, and she goes, let's get. Let's get Gretchen naked waisted. Let's get her naked waisted. And there's like a tequila tasting and they keep giving to her. And she gets drunk. She gets real drunk. She's like, Damon, you know, she's getting all drunk. And he. Ryan is bartending and he's trying to get with her. And she's. And you can hear her go, I don't. Get away from me. I have a very nice fiance who was Jeff, who was the Fiance that she had that then died of cancer before she got with Slade. So that was that. So according to Katie, Katie tells this other person that does what we all do, and she says, I was out with Gretchen, and Gretchen said that Tamara roofied her that night. And then that person goes and tells other people that do what we do, and they go and tell Tamara.

[B]

So, like podcasters, bloggers, everything, okay?

[A]

And people that do meme ones, people that have. Are anonymous accounts that you don't know if they're a guy or a girl. All those people. And then they. That person then tells Tamara. And Tamara, you know, was like, so.

[B]

The chain was that supposedly Gretchen told Katie, and Katie told the bloggers, and.

[A]

Then the bloggers told other bloggers who then told Tamara.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

And then Tamara then is like, oh, it's a slow day in New Orleans. I'm gonna drop the shit now. And she says it to Gretchen, who's like, what? Oh, my God, I'm watching it. And I'm like, this is what I think happened. And this is just my opinion, because I am not talking to these people. But I just know how it works. Because then the people told me about this months ago that this was coming down. And when they told me about it months ago, the word roofie was not used. Okay? So I don't think the word roofie was ever used.

[B]

Was it drugs?

[A]

What I think happened was I think Gretchen, in talking to Katie, was going through her history with Tamara or the show and said, oh, my God, that night. I have never been more drunk. I probably had alcohol poisoning or should have gone to urgent care or whatever. It was crazy. That's what I think she said. Then I think Katie, who clearly has a problem with exaggeration and the truth. Cause they have her doing a lie detector test later, went and said, oh, my God, you know, Gretchen said that she, like, almost died from, you know, being at Tamara's house, being drunk. And then I think that that got back to Tamara. And then I think, personally, then Tamra added the word roofie to it, which then I think puts a legal element to it. Gets everyone scared, defamation. Da da da da da da da. Also, roofied is like kind of a Gen X word. Like, it's kind of an older word. It's like, I don't really feel like people say it. And the only time I've ever had someone say it is when Shannon told me one time, told me that she thought she was roofied at a bar in Newport.

[B]

I didn't even say it in the Candy scandal. Remember with Candy, with Phaedrus, they didn't say roofie. So anyway, it dropped them or whatever.

[A]

Gretchen's like, I don't. That's not what, you know, Katie said. And Katie's like, I didn't say that. I never. I never said. I never said that. And Gretchen's like, my God, I never accused camera or whatever. I'm like, I just think this is a case of, like, telephone that just then got exact. Everyone wanted to up the story they heard previously. And so now it becomes this whole big thing. And, you know, and all these people are coming out saying, oh, my God. Well, I met with Katie, too. And Katie told me that, you know, this husband's gay and this house husband is gay. And that's always the thing they always say. There's always been rumors that, you know, the happily married people on the show, Tamara and Eddie, Eddie's gay. Heather and Terry, Terry's gay. You know, it's always like, that's. There's. Because. And there's no proof to it. There isn't one person. There isn't one person that's ever said, yes, here is a photo of he and I, and my name's Tom, and we had sex. Like, no one's ever really gone on the record to say it, but it's such an easy thing to, like, throw out there.

[B]

Right? And so definitely not Todd Chrisley, because he's definitely straight.

[C]

No.

[A]

And also he is as straight as can be.

[C]

And also Shane's gay, not Terror.

[A]

Right, Right.

[C]

Okay. Shane's gay, not terror. Dr. Tara's not gay. Dr. Terror.

[A]

All Shane wants to do is do me from behind while I have an espresso martini.

[C]

That's right, he does.

[A]

I wish he was gay. He was gay. He'd have more style.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Remember they were saying about Ken, too, that kind of reminded me of Lisa Vanderpump.

[A]

That was, right? That guy, that grifter that lived with her then said Ken was gay. Oh, why is he gay? Oh, because they ran gay clubs. Why is Eddie, Tamara's husband, gay? Because at one time he had a couple. A gay roommate or again, again, I don't think any of these guys are. My personal opinion is none of them are. Do you imagine the beautiful life that Eddie could have if he was gay instead of being his husband? I mean, he's good looking, he lives in Newport. Like, no, obviously they've been married a long time now. Like, that's not the case. But those are the things that gets out there. And now I Feel like people are like, good. Say my husband's gay. Like, I don't fucking care. You know? Like, who cares? It's so not a big deal anymore. Yeah, but it's all that kind of stuff, so there's that.

[B]

We definitely think Peter might be.

[A]

I want you. I want.

[B]

Get it, Peter.

[C]

Well, there was a thing with that shirt that he wore.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Remember the gay shirt at the Attorney General? He had that gay shirt on where he was. It was rented, and it was very. It was gingham.

[C]

There was gay guys all trying to hit on him.

[A]

That was so great. Yes. I went to a thing about a political thing for a gay man who was running for Attorney General.

[B]

It was nonpartisan, and Peter was just.

[A]

Talking to him about, you know, policy and things like that. Like, we were pretty excited to be at this thing. And then someone said, and how did you guys meet? And I said, he's my husband. And they're like, oh, I thought he was the husband to the guy running for Attorney General. And I never got a better compliment in my entire life. And it was. It was because he was doing. I think he stopped doing that. Peter Drake, he was part of a group, a thing that would send the gay Course.

[B]

It was called the LGBTQ shirt.

[C]

Yes. Lgbtq Men's, Gay Men's Chorus. Bum titty bum bum bum titty bum bum.

[A]

So anyway, it's all. It's all crazy and ugly.

[B]

And so do you think that Katie. So you. Are you saying that this was an accidental game of telephone and that she's denying it and that she does.

[A]

I know. I think she set out to. I think she played the game completely wrong, thinking I'm gonna follow and talk to every single person that has any kind of stake in the Bravo world and commenting on it to get them on my side. And in having their attention, I'm going to exaggerate and. And maybe even makeup stories. And I do believe that she did.

[B]

That, and thank God she did.

[A]

Otherwise, we don't have a show.

[B]

Honestly, that's the whole name of the game.

[A]

I mean, you know, I mean, that's the show. But, I mean, apparently Bravo's not happy. You know, Alex isn't happy. Alex Baskin. About that this is going on. But it's like, well, too bad. Like, this is what it is. This is what it is now. But it's like, yeah, it's not. I don't know. It's like the toothpaste is out of the tube. Like, how are we ever gonna get back to just Them actually talking about what's going on at the party. Like naked wasted. Even with naked wasted, that was like a juicy scene. And of course, 17 years later, it looks really bad. It looks really bad.

[B]

But it's giving. Of course she's giving the biggest loser.

[A]

Yeah. She wouldn't do that today, but she did it 17 years ago and whatever.

[B]

I am sick of the blogger situation in it. I think it's played out. I love the low stakes drama of like Tamara showing the picture of Jen, the fat pic.

[A]

Right. So then she, Tamara's on a roll saying that Jen wanted to be her. And by saying wanted to be her. Did she want to be on the show? Yeah, she probably did. She's divorced, mother of five. She's in the town, she knows the people.

[B]

She's awesome.

[A]

Yeah, she wants to be on it. So she said she came to my gym. She, you know, was trying to be my friend. Yeah.

[B]

Should no one come to your gym?

[C]

That's what a gym is like. This is like the known pickpocketer. I don't understand what's in people's heads. Like, you have a gym, people go to the gym. There's a woman who clearly wanted to lose weight and work out, so she went to, you know, where, your gym.

[B]

By the way, she's such a good body now.

[A]

Now she has such a good body. So then of course, you know, Tamara's like, you know, Tamara had a glow up too. So now, so, so did this girl, you know, she got out of a sad marriage and started going to the gym. So of course she's. Of course she filled her face and, you know, got a tummy tuck and lost weight and she's working out eight hours a day. So of course. And she, you know, had a body that could easily get better and like, whatever. She wasn't even fat.

[B]

She was wearing skinny jeans.

[A]

It was just an unflattering, like, this.

[B]

Is the shit talking behind the back drama. We want the simple, I talk shit about you. And then you found out.

[A]

And that's what I like. I like. You're right. I like it. Like, can I just. Can I ask you which fat photo? It was like, literally.

[B]

Let me see the photo.

[A]

They're like, what are you. I never said roofing. I remember. Well, if we're getting things off our chest, can you tell me what fat photo were we all in together and was I on the end or in the middle?

[B]

Tamara's like this. I just don't care. Yeah.

[A]

And then I love that because then Tamara was Like, you know, got was three shoots to win. And then Gina's like, let's just be honest. You're one eye open, you're absolutely smashed. And then she's like, what are you talking about?

[C]

I'm drinking water.

[A]

I'm drinking water. And this is bullshit.

[B]

People are like.

[A]

And so I don't know what you did.

[C]

Yeah, I know who you are.

[A]

Yeah. And then earlier the day. Earlier the day, she had said to Shannon, when Shannon's like, you have humiliated me. You brought up my DUI 25 times and everything. And she goes, yeah, and that's why you'll never see me drunk again. Cut to three hours later.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Walking into her room, she's like, what are you just. You let me brush your hair.

[A]

Yeah. And then Shannon also hates Katie because she found out that Katie, when she was having her one of Shannon Beador's spazzes, that, like, Katie was, like, filming it and sent it to Alexis Bellino, who's now getting married to Johnny J. Her ex boyfriend. And probably just to again, bring a treat, make a friend. Look at the juice I have for you. Whatever. Still not cool. So Shannon goes, gretchen, why do you want to be friends with someone who would do something illegal? Filming me is illegal. And then Gretchen goes, well, with all due respect, getting a DUI and crashing into a house happens to be illegal too. And I'm friends with you.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Everyone was like, da, da da, da, da, da, da, da, da da. Gretchen got her contract, Savage. So good.

[C]

It was. That was like, one of should be one of the top 10 biggest mic drops in all of Hug's franchise history.

[B]

That was because Shannon is on one.

[A]

And she's just doing like. Like every time. She could probably be ready to go out. And then there's like, okay, hey, hey, Shannon. We're coming with a Tamara. You're gonna finish getting ready with her and then you're gonna talk about. It's like, okay, hold on. I can't get ready. I'm sharing stories back to world. Like, just fucking like you're 60. Like, you know what you're doing. Like, this shtick is getting so fucking old.

[C]

She's like, aren't you gonna comb your hair? And she picked up hair off the table.

[B]

Like, you know, I'm gonna comb it. Yeah, here it is.

[C]

Like, what are you doing?

[A]

So then over the weekend, Tamara writes this thing. Cause then Tamara quits. You're never gonna see my face again. And she says, I'm gonna quit because Teddy has a health scare and she's my podcast partner. And therefore, if you're not gonna give me a grace for being an asshole and because I was maybe on the spectrum last week, if you're not gonna give me grace for being on an asshole, for being an asshole, and you didn't give me grace, you know, like, if you're not giving me, then I'm gonna leave. So she quits and then she. Tamara takes a clip of this week's episode and the girls, I guess, are talking about, we can't believe she left. You know, like, what is she doing again? It is a show. It's like, if we're all working in the factory and then one person just left on a Wednesday and we have to be there till Friday, we're like, we didn't want to go to New Orleans anyway. Why did we leave? Beautiful Newport Beach. New Orleans looks like shit. Can I just say that I'm sorry, New Orleans. But the river they went on was shit brown. It was gray, it was gloomy.

[C]

And I'm like, it's a vibe.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure it's fun. But I was just kind of like, maybe they were like, no, it's the.

[B]

100% the age old thing. And it happens on Atlanta Everyone, where, you know, Kim leaves and they're like, no one wants to do the cast trip. And Kim Zolciak refuses to go.

[A]

And they're all pissed.

[B]

It's like, we have to work. You have to work. We're sick of your shit.

[A]

All right? And now this is gonna be a whole weird thing because she posted it on Instagram. So it's like, now you're fucking with storyline and everything. Now this will be old news when the show airs. And it was all of it.

[B]

So then we all remember that it was like you said Heather the week before she was on the Spectrum.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it blew up the Internet that she had been diagnosed with, you know, whatever, autism or whatever. And by her therapist, everyone turned on her. So she really was going through it. But then she quit the show and that was all in the news.

[A]

I feel like Tamra should not go to Vegas because she has been betting on horribly. She thought that the autism thing would work. She thought that everyone would hate Shannon Storms Beador for getting a dui. And they did not. Because the audience was like, oh, my God, a woman who has a boyfriend leave her for a younger woman and drinks too much and drove into a house. That's our girl. That's our girl. Like, they did not care. They were like, no, we Feel sorry for her. That's our girl. We don't care. So she was like, oh, that didn't work. Then she's gonna gamble on. Then she's gonna gamble on, you know, the next thing, which is, you know, she's hinting at. Which I. We know there's a thing that's coming at the end. She's hinting at. That's another thing. Like, oh, you know, then they're gonna hate. They're gonna hate Gretchen for this or whatever.

[B]

And she's just too good of a villain. And she's excited. Fantastic.

[A]

But I don't think it's gonna work out in her favor is my prediction.

[B]

But do you think she's not gonna be on next season?

[A]

No, no, I don't. I just don't think the audience. No, I don't think anyone's gonna get rid of anybody. But I just.

[B]

Oh, good. Well, she's a great villain.

[A]

She thinks, like, the audience is gonna be on her side. It's like. I just don't think it's what happened. But anyway, so then said, what's.

[B]

Your face had hot dog lips. And even Heather was like, remember, she said. Showed her the picture.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Heather Dubro's like, right? Yeah. She doesn't look like that. And then she's like. And she has the hot dog lips. And then Heather's back. That's fine.

[C]

Yeah, she's at that side.

[B]

She's not going to get. She's not going to get. She's gonna stay the villain. That's what we want from her. She just needs to lean in and keep doing it.

[A]

Yeah. And just no one should trust her when she's, like, crying and says, I want to be your friend. Like, just don't. Okay?

[C]

No.

[A]

So then it says, God forbid you guys ever, you know, deal with pain and depression. It was dealing. They wonder why I left. Maybe I should have gotten a DUI to feel compassionate. That's what she posts, like, just this weekend. So then Gretchen takes that and said, I woke up getting sent this post. Tamara did, and I have to say, it rubbed me the wrong way. And then she writes her thoughts. Yes, Tamara, I have actually dealt with pain and depression. You are talking about it, and it was horrible. Remember my fiance actually died and Slade's son actually died from cancer. But you had not one ounce of grace for us. Instead, you spun lies about Jeff and I and plotted with the guy who I took to court. And now I have seven counts against, which is all true. And over a million dollar Judgment against to cause me pain and suffering during that time. And then you went on your podcast and made false statements about Slate and I and his and his son and spun lies about us again with no remorse like you always do. You. You never gave us Grace and you never made. And you gave your bestie Shannon, and you never gave your bestie Shannon Grace the Trace amigas when she was going through the worst time in her life. Instead, you buddied up to Alexis and called Shannon every name in the book last year and then blamed your bad behavior on being on the spectrum. Yeah, well, if what you're saying is true, yeah, she's fine. The audience. The audience is going to watch the show. I wish it would be more like. I wish there could be some fun and juice. I like the fat photo. I think I love the Gretchen DUI moment. There needs to be more of that. But it's all about leading up to. Katie has to take a lie detector test.

[C]

Oh my God. Well, all I can say is I hope it's Vicki Gunvalson who's giving the test. I want her to be a lie detector. She could get a lie detector test.

[A]

Can she sit down and really, can we find out the truth of when she discovered Brooks didn't really have cancer?

[B]

Brooks is right for me.

[C]

Brooks says I'm not a con woman, my man.

[A]

I mean, I've never been with multiple.

[B]

People in my life. Multiple partners, honestly. Julie and I are going to go to her for life insurance.

[A]

We really discussed it well at Cuddle Insurance. My son Michael can set you up with a great. Okay. And you're watching Miami.

[C]

Uh huh.

[A]

I just interviewed Stephanie, the new girl. That'll be Tuesday's episode and really juicy again, even if you're not watching it, it's just like her life story is very interesting and I'm excited to hear what you guys think of it. But what do you think of the season?

[C]

I'm. I mean it's.

[B]

Did you get a pass for us on her private jet?

[C]

Yeah. I will say this.

[B]

I mean she's.

[C]

Anyone who comes in hot and tries to spice it up, like to be like. What's the word? Like when you're. She goes right to Go right to Alexia and call her like a narcissist or whatever and just. It just takes a lot of balls and a lot of like.

[A]

No, she didn't call her narcissist. What she called her.

[C]

She called her something.

[A]

She said that.

[B]

She said she's a Chihuahua or pit bull or something.

[A]

No, she first Called her a cho. No, they were calling each other things. In the end, I think they're like, fine.

[B]

I think the main one was the other chick where she's like, why are you late? You made us all wait. Oh, God.

[C]

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa.

[B]

She's just coming back at all.

[C]

She. She's. It's like she walked into. It's, it's. It. It's the. She gives me the feeling of when I have the feeling normally in everyday life with people that I know, there's a lot of grace and forget. There's just a lot of patience and kindness with people who, like, run, do weird things with part in parking lots or bitchy. For a second, I'll just be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? She's like that. She's like, coming in with no shits or cares, as if these people are strangers, but they're on a show and they're actually your cast members. It's like. And I find it delightful. I find it completely entertaining.

[A]

When you guys hear the interview. It's very understandable where she's coming from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not like. It's not like a thirsty. Like, I planned this out. I'm producing. It's like, actually who she is. She explains who she is and why Jackson that way. It makes so much sense.

[B]

Marisol's like, yeah, monkey. She's always late. Nobody tells her.

[C]

She's like, well, that's rude.

[B]

It was. That scene was so good.

[C]

I thought just like, wow. Yeah, it is rude.

[A]

It's crazy rude. Yeah.

[C]

And it's great. And just like, I'm.

[A]

They said. So anyway, they said the. The reunion is going to be off the hook. And it's. It's all good. Tom Sandoval is, you know, with his cover band, and he is on for the second time on America's Got Talent. And I'm gonna just play some of it for you.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

It is very hard song to sing, I don't think. Here.

[B]

Heather, would you do it, Heather? Because we've seen you sing many a night. My lady, my friend.

[A]

I like I said karaoke singing, band singing is so much harder than you think.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

As far as, like, the amount of energy and calories that you burn. But, you know, I. First of all, I think it was brilliant to have the Gong Show. What's it called? Oh, my God. America's Got Talent. Oh, yeah. I have America's Got Talent on it. There's a big connection, you know, Howie Mandel's daughter's husband. I think is one of the people in the band. I mean, I was an podcast in Africa.

[B]

Okay. In Africa. Yeah, in the African plains. And guess what I was doing? I was listening to the Howie Mandel Tom Sandoval interview. Like, Julie was like, looking like, do we see? And I'm like, hold on, I got to listen to this. Like, there's definitely a thing with. I think it's brilliant, too. I think it's really.

[A]

I'm like, I haven't watched that show in years. Yep. And, you know, and he's like, this is a story of redemption. Tom, you know, everyone was nice, but Simon, he just, like. Simon said, I'm sorry, just the vocals were not good. It did not sound good. And then Tom said, well, you know, whatever. Somebody always has, you know, something wasn't working with the ear or whatever.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And then. And then someone on the. On the panel was like, stop it. Like, you cannot complain. And he's like, no, no. But I had a great time and a great time. And then, like, Mel B. Is like, I loved it. You had energy, and if I hadn't already gotten married, I'd have you see up my wedding. And then Howie Mandel is like, yeah, I think a lot of people will hire you for a wedding. Or maybe Mel B. Maybe if you have another party, you could hire him. I'm like, wait, this is so actually insulting. Like, I was like, okay.

[C]

This is what.

[A]

What's happening in this band. And of course, this is all good to keep it going and completely good. I don't know how, like I said, how long people will be going to see the COVID band. I feel like we've seen it. It's the same kind of songs. I've seen so many clips of it, but, like, hey, you know, I think he. At least he's, like, working and getting out there. There's, you know, there's four jobs you can have when you stop being a reality star.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Realtor. Okay. Podcaster. Singer. Singer. You know, Luanne, like, you.

[B]

You sing Heidi Montag.

[A]

Yes. And then.

[B]

Stripper, hooker.

[A]

Only fans, I guess.

[C]

Prostitute.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And only fan. And only fans. And then those possibly life coach. I'm sure that's around the corner.

[C]

Coach?

[A]

Yeah. Life coach. Yeah.

[C]

Well, you know, Countess Luann has made herself quite a little. Quite a little industry.

[A]

Like, little industry.

[C]

And he could do it. The band. The band is really good. He is. He's got the. He's got the fame of the show. He's got the entire reality audience, and he is good he is good. He is.

[B]

I almost think he chose that song for publicity. Yes. Because, you know, Heather, you are peak karaoke performer, even to the point where you're like, listen, you guys, karaoke's boring. Let's go. I'm gonna sing one time and then we're gonna leave.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And then you sing one song, we all. And then we leave. Like, you know, that was the wrong song choice for him. He knew. It has been everywhere.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I mean? The clips. And I'm like, he is so, so, so shrewd. And this is such a great move. And it's like, there's no way he would have chosen that. And he actually does have a good falsetto. But you can't sing the weekend. That's like singing Michael Jackson.

[A]

Yeah. And I think also, I mean, I'm sure they helped him choose it. And also, it's like, let's do a song that you had that we haven't seen Night the Schwartzies Girls or Swartz's mom or Jesse's Girl or whatever. There's ones that we've all seen the clips for three years. Right. I mean, he's been doing it. He was doing it before Scandival struck. So, you know, good for everybody involved. Yeah.

[C]

Good luck to. I hope. I hope they succeed this.

[A]

Since you guys are such travelers. This happened. So this woman realized that these girls must have taken her purse outside of her backpack in Italy. Oh, I saw this, and I think it was Italy.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[A]

And she went and caught the girl. Why the ponytail? And people filmed her. And she's like, let me. You know, you have to let me go. And she was like, no, give me back my passport. You took my passport. Give me back my passport. They go like, stop that. She's like. And then. And they. They call her, like, the Karen. But now they're like. Which is. I always said, Karen, you need. Sometimes you need a Karen. And I think Karen's are coming back in fashion. And she held her, and she was like, you don't scare me. I've got eight kids. Give me back my passport. The daughter, then her daughter told the whole story. And basically they did get the passport back. It was a long, convoluted story of what they had to go through. The good news was their Airbnb host was delightful. A lady at a jewelry store gave her a free necklace. They. The one of the girls that didn't get caught but, like, dropped it off at an airport, like, threw the purse at, like, an airport, was just like, leave Me alone. It just. It just really made me go. I don't think I want. Like, I would make. That just makes me go, oh, my God. I don't want to travel. When I was in Europe last summer, I mean, I would have my purse on the front. On the front. And I would hold it, and I would hold it, but nobody even came close. But I was so paranoid because once you are going to Europe, then the. You know, then your algorithm of Instagram and TikTok, all they do is send you videos of people getting picked.

[B]

Like fear monitoring.

[A]

Not to be pickpocketed. Yeah.

[C]

This is my dream. Are you kidding me? I'm gonna put a. What is it? What was in it? The tag.

[B]

I will say I'm putting air tags and everything.

[A]

Yeah, that's how she did get. It was the air tag they followed. No, not airtag. They had the. In the purse with the. Yeah, was her air pods. Oh, her AirPods.

[B]

She was still grabbing this girl by the ponytail.

[C]

I will that's.

[B]

And all I can think of, you guys and leave this in Drake. Kelly Dodd. That's all I could think of. I was like, oh, she's literally holding this girl. Like, I have eight kids. You took my purse and my passport.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

But it was an accomplice. Yes. Right, I agree. So it was already gone. Yeah. Now you're just assaulting someone, which is fine, you know, but you don't get the thing back right then.

[C]

Right. But I do.

[A]

And they were like, for known pickpocketers, I'm like, if they're known, how are they still walking around like, what is going on in Italy?

[C]

Who's a known pickpocketer? How are you known by that on the resume? Unknown.

[A]

They're on.

[C]

Shouldn't you be an unknown pickpocketer? Yeah. Why are you in your.

[B]

What, your well known influence pocket or.

[C]

I mean, I would the. The level. I'm spoiling for an altercation.

[B]

Can I tell you, I can't even. Julia lost her passport many times. And we've told this on here before. We're not going to do it again. Yes, we did have an incident in Spain where of course, I'm much too drunk during the day.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And in Barcelona. And Barcelona gets way ham. Like that is. That is a tourist. It's a lot like where this is probably Rome or.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're sitting there. We're just like fucking eating weird tapas or whatever the hell we're doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We.

[A]

Barcelona.

[B]

I don't even like Barcelona. And we're there, and we have our rolling bags. Like, we're. Because we can't get on.

[A]

We have our.

[B]

All of our bags. And these guys, like, start to take our rolling bags, like, from the table next to us, like, behind us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So all. And we're just not paying attention, and all of a sudden, they have our bags, like, going away. They have them.

[A]

And what'd you do?

[B]

We attack them. Yeah, we attack them in the street. And they're like, come on, lady. No, no, no. I just want a light. And I'm like, we're yelling at these men. We're getting.

[A]

Get the. Away from here.

[C]

I will kill you, like, in it. And that's when I'm alive, Drake. That's when I come alive. Okay. It's actually my sweet spot. And I'm like, I don't know what you think you're talking. Like, I'm just like.

[B]

We're like, get away from us.

[A]

Oh, they were acting like they weren't trying to steal your suitcases.

[B]

They just wanted a lighter. But they had our full suitcases. Like, they had. They were drunk, and they just rolled them over.

[A]

Like, what is this?

[B]

This is, like, not even good. We're eating the tapas.

[C]

But it would be funny if they just wanted a light. And we were like, get the. Oh, my God.

[A]

Well, good for this woman.

[C]

Intense.

[B]

Good for her.

[A]

Here's another funny thing I saw from Desperate Housewives.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This actress was had with some actress on it or whatever, and she was like. Well, I thought that all the actresses on Desperate Housewives, she was like, a guest star. I don't even know who she was. Katherine Jussen. She's like. They acted like so spoiled brats. They had each had their trailers, and they each got $10,000 to decorate it the way they. The way they wanted. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can imagine. It was a hit show of the century.

[C]

Yeah. Like, and they're there 17,000 hours a day.

[A]

And I'm like, who's watching this? Tik tok going, wow, that's not fair. Yes, it is.

[C]

Yes, it is.

[A]

You're the guest star. They're the stars. Shut up, you old bitter. Yeah. All right.

[B]

100%.

[A]

Brandy Glanville has said that she has spent over $130,000 trying to find the parasite in her face that's moving around.

[B]

But she did put n on her face, Right. And Julie never saw the Nair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She burned her face with n. I.

[A]

Mean, I know from a. A psychiatrist that they think it's something else and is that Dr. Drew, maybe. And then it's like, you know, and. And do you remember from early on in that Real Housewives when she would get nervous and Lisa Vanderpo be like, stop picking out your face. When they were friends. Like, she would get, you know, like, nervous and then, like, pick at her face and stuff. So I don't know, because it's crazy. They haven't been able to figure it out. And it's really sad.

[B]

Or have they? I do think it's sad.

[A]

Yeah. Is it possible you don't think it's sad?

[B]

I do.

[A]

Yeah, it is sad.

[B]

I do. And I. She's always been very nice to us.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's so thin and. And stuff that I'm like, I don't. I don't know that, like, that, you know, plastic surgery can even fix this at this time.

[C]

Dr. Terry.

[B]

Because she's so thin.

[C]

Tara can fix anything.

[A]

Dr. Terry.

[C]

Dr. Terry.

[A]

Oh, Terry. Terry Debro.

[C]

Terry De Ro. I mean, I don't know why she's not going immediately to terror.

[A]

You know what she went. Apparently he was going to help her. And she went there. And then there was just nothing to talk about after. Like, they just dropped it. So I don't know if he was like, I don't want her as a patient or she didn't like what he had to say, or neither of them are talking about each other anymore. But the whole thing was she was supposed to go there.

[B]

Oh, you know, it's sad and it sucks. And I do think that what went. She went through with Bravo. You know, it was an unfortunate, super unfortunate situation with that thing with Caroline. I mean, honestly, I truly do, like, think that that sucks. Like. Cause she was working constantly. She was on every reality show, like, weird dating shows, trader. You know what I mean? And then just now she's been blackballed. And I think.

[A]

And then she said she's got just bills, bills, bills.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm sure her mental health is a good place.

[B]

And we should. You know, we don't want.

[A]

I don't know. Like, it's very weird and sad and it's again, just like, yeah, you. You gotta have your together. You gotta know that this is not gonna last forever.

[B]

You have to. She has two beautiful, sexy sons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? And Bravo just get it back. Get it together. Brandi, Bravo's not the end all be all. Get your back together. You know what I mean? You can do it. You can do it. You can do it.

[A]

Last thing is the. The sail on the Luxurious housewives crew cruise, which was originally from New Jersey. Dolores Teresa and Jennifer Aiden. Jennifer Aiden got kicked off because she was rude to the Jersey Mike person at the airport. And then they replaced her with Shannon. Door Shannon. We're going to soar. We're going to soar. The sales. And anyway, it was canceled. Now, we don't know. This is from Bravo. Snark side. Let me know this. And we don't know if it was canceled because there's rumors that New Jersey's coming back to film.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And maybe they're not available.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Or if it was just poor ticket sales or whatever.

[B]

There is speculation that is bad sales.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I would love if Jersey was coming back.

[A]

Yeah. So who knows? But there you go.

[B]

Do you want to go on Wives on the Waves, Drake? I mean, wives on the waves. Come on. Just three wives on the waves. None of them are married. Earl and.

[C]

Earl and Phil are.

[A]

You're back. Tell everybody how they can get more branding jewelry in their life because everyone just enjoys your dynamic so much. Wow.

[C]

Well, they should go. We have our podcast, Dumb Gay Podcast, which is right now. We're hitting it hard with politics, but we're trying to do it, you know, in the most fun way possible.

[B]

We just hate podcasting now, Heather. You know what I mean? Just. We had to have a meeting with Vodcast 1, and it was just totally debilitating. You know?

[A]

You know what it is?

[B]

And I was like, what? You know, it's just one of those things.

[C]

And for more, we're actually gonna stop.

[A]

For more behind the scenes of why you hate podcasting. How can they get ahold of your Patreon?

[B]

Yeah, exactly. We do tell it on Patreon.

[C]

You can go to julianbrandy.com and get a link to the Patreon there.

[B]

Julie, Brandy. Patreon. We tell all.

[C]

We don't do any politics there, but we do a ton of. We did all of our travel vlogging. We did so many podcasts, so many funny, funny things. Like.

[A]

And they went to the Shining. We did.

[B]

We did.

[A]

And, like, talked all about it. That was hilarious.

[B]

And you have been there, Heather.

[A]

I have been there. Yeah.

[B]

Drake doesn't even know that about his mom.

[A]

The movie the Shining was based on an actual hotel in Colorado. Denver, whatever it is around there. And we went during the summer because we were doing, like, a family reunion or something nearby. And we did see a really creepy guy looking into our bedroom when Shannon and I were, like, 18 and 20 or something getting dressed. And I remember my mom Ran to the front of the desk and she's like, this man is ogling my gorgeous daughters. I'm like, I don't know if we're gorgeous, but, like, you know, it's true.

[B]

Every time I watch Dateline, I just think, how many times did Heather almost get datelined? Living in Southern California? A teen. Like, during the prime.

[C]

Serial killer.

[B]

Serial killing guy.

[A]

No, I like to say Prancer myself as the female Forrest gump of the 90s in LA, where, like, I went on a date with Vince Vaughn. I made out with Katy o'. Kaelin. I lived across the street from the OJ murder scene.

[B]

What about the limo? Jason Bateman.

[A]

I was in a limo with Jason Bateman.

[C]

It's amazing.

[B]

And survived it all. Lived to tell the tale.

[C]

We really have gotten really a little too deep into. Into Stateline, into like the true crime situation.

[A]

Cool.

[C]

So it's just been a little. Also debilitating.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Anyway, but you know, go to our Patreon.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you. And everything for me [e-mail] Love you guys so much.

[C]

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[A]

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[A]

Mom and dad, the school supplies you buy me this year will mostly end up in my mouth. Maybe shop low prices for school at Amazon so I don't eat up all your money. Just something to chew on.

[C]

Amazon.

[A]

Spend less, smile more.

[C]

Mike and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other. When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a 4 liter jug. When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping. Oh, come on.

[A]

They called a truce for their holiday.

[C]

And used Expedia trip planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip. Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

You were made to outdo your holidays. We were made to help organize the competition. Expedia made to travel.