Brandy and Julie, RHSLC, The Golden Bachelor and RHOC

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Brandy and Julie, RHSLC, The Golden Bachelor and RHOC

Date: September 25, 2025
Guests: Julie Goldman & Brandy Howard (Dumb Gay Podcast)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Juicy Scoop delivers a blend of pop culture, reality TV deep dives, and hilarious commentary. Heather McDonald is joined by comedians Julie Goldman and Brandy Howard as they dish about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Real Housewives of Orange County, BravoCon drama, reality TV husband shenanigans, and the hotly-anticipated Golden Bachelor. The trio brings a mix of personal stories, unapologetic opinions, and strong comic chemistry, resulting in an episode packed with memorable quotes, genuine insights, and plenty of laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up & Live Shows

• The group opens with anecdotes about Patreon subscribers, upcoming stand-up shows, and the culture of Halloween in exclusive communities.
• Heather plugs their joint live show in Las Vegas during BravoCon weekend (Nov 14, MGM Grand).
  "It is going to be a bonanza... we had so much fun last year." (05:18)

2. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHSLC)

Season Impressions

• Mixed feelings about the season debut; consensus is that ep2 brings it back to peak housewives form.
  Julie: "That first episode really had me nervous… I'm grateful that's not the case and we're off and running." (38:39)
• Lisa Barlow’s temporary absence explained: “She was still negotiating her contract.” (06:17)

Heather Gay’s Motherhood Confession

• Heather Gay’s frankness about her post-divorce mom experience is highlighted as rare and refreshing.
  • Heather (07:49): “I got divorced when the girls were young... he never had the kids on an overnight... she’s thrilled for it to end. The youngest is going off to college and she wants the job to end.”
  • Brandy shocked by the honesty and Julie agrees it was a highlight.

Whitney’s Red Hair Decision

• Panel critiques Whitney’s switch from blonde to red:
  Heather (09:27): “No blonde girl... should ever switch to the red. Unless you’re getting paid to be in a movie. It is not a good idea.”
  Discussion about image and reality TV “standing out.”

Filler Face Chats—Aubrey O’Day, Lisa's Lip Drama

• Commentary on fillers, with jokes on overdone lips and awkward on-camera face work.
  • Julie (13:35): “As a woman with dick sucking lips such as myself...”

Business Ventures, MLMs, and Role Reversals

• Whitney’s failed MLM skincare line discussed; panel commiserates over pressure on “housewives” to maintain entrepreneurial brands.
  • Heather (14:14): “She... built this other business... but… I would do anything just to be a stay at home mom.”

Housewives Sexuality & “Taint Gate”

• Recap and lampooning of infamous Bravo moments—body paint scenes, awkward bathtub footage, "Taint Gate," and how these impact the cast.
  • Julie (17:48): “Since Taint Gate… It really did turn me off to Seth, even more than Meredith…”

Mary’s Son & Relatable Addiction Storyline

• Mary’s son’s apparent ongoing struggles with substance abuse are discussed with empathy.
  • Heather (22:24): “Do you think when you told your son… we’re going to film you talking about your drug problem on camera… you don’t think that might have added to his anxiety?”
  • Julie: “Even if he wasn’t smoking pot… he clearly has a depression issue.” (25:02)
• Panel questions the appropriateness of filming struggling young adults for reality TV.

The Iconic “Gout Dick Sucker” Insult

• The episode’s viral moment: Lisa Barlow hurling the insult at Bronwyn at a high-society party.
  • Heather (31:18): “You are a gout dick sucker. And I died.”
  • Brandy: “If he does currently have gout… I hope they turn lemons into lemonade and get a brand deal as a couple.” (36:24)
• The group riffs endlessly on “gout dick” potentially becoming the new Housewives catchphrase merch, brand deals, and BravoCon fan art.

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3. Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC)

Gretchen vs. Tamra, Husbands & Lie Detectors

• The much-discussed RHOC lie detector test plot is roasted.
  • Brandy (44:09): “That seemed like one of the most stressful things anyone could ever go through. You failed every single question... including my name!”
• Gretchen’s dynamic with Slade is questioned; is he supporting or holding her back?
  Julie (48:20): “She really is starting to look bad… it’s not a good look.”
  • Heather reflects on changing gender roles, adds nuance about "house-husband" stigma.
• Husbands’ roles analyzed: some, like Shane (Emily’s husband), succeed at reunions by taking accountability, but most fare worse.
  • Heather (52:16): “…all the husbands come off either defensive or guido like...but it’s entertaining.”

The “Tres Amigas” Fallout: OC Cast Shifts

• Panel discusses Vicki’s outcast status, new alliances forming.
  • Heather (55:43): “It was a Tony Award nominated… the Tres Amigas… Now Vicki has said she doesn’t hear from Shannon. And who does she bring on her podcast? Alexis Bellino.”

End-of-Season Speculation & Casting

• Possible “demoting” of high-salaried Shannon Beador, speculation on returns of Vicki and other OGs.
  • Heather (63:01): “My prediction is they make her [Shannon] a friend.”

Commentary on Show Structure & BravoCon

• The gang critiques Bravo’s casting moves, notes the importance of OGs and old-school drama for fan engagement.

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4. Golden Bachelor Preview

• Heather’s real-life friend Maya is cast as a contender for the new “Golden Bachelor.”
  • Heather (70:51): “She lives in Malibu, is divorced with three adult kids, and is the only woman under 60 on the cast.”
• Personal connection gives insider excitement—Heather promises to try and get Maya on the show for post-season insights.

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5. True Crime: The David/Tesla Case

• Quick coverage of a developing case where a young girl’s body was found in a rapper’s Tesla. They speculate on timelines, surveillance, and the oddities of Teslas’ “frunks.”
  • Heather (76:08): “He did a video about falling in love and ending, called Romantic Homicide…"

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6. Personal Anecdotes, Magic, and Friendship

• Heather shares upcoming plans to visit the Magic Castle, anecdotes about past celebrity run-ins, and the crucial role “the sprinter van” plays in a good night out.
  • Heather (81:07): “A sprinter van is meeting in the country club parking lot… wear black. That’s the color theme…”
  • Julie: “It's about the transportation.” (85:09)
• Reflections on community, Patreon, and why “it’s all about having the right group of friends.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Housewives Filler:
  Julie (11:17): “She could have done also, which apparently Heather Gay did, was to take all the feeling out of her lips and then…”
• On Parenting in Reality TV:
  Heather (22:24): “You don’t think that might have added to his anxiety… I’m sorry. We don’t need to see this kid on camera anymore.”
• On Iconic Insults:
  Heather (31:18): “You are a gout dick sucker. And I died.”
• On Gender Roles:
  Heather (48:41): “…isn’t that what we want for our daughters? …to have a partner who totally supports you?”
• On Bravo Drama:
  Brandy (38:36): “You smell like hospital. Yeah, it was one of them. …Hospital is a classic as well.”
• On Magic:
  Heather (85:15): “I do like magic because every time I see a magic show, I’m like, how do they do it?”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:00] Intro, Patreon shout-outs, Vegas live show plug
• [06:17] Lisa Barlow contract negotiations/RHSLC episode discussion
• [07:49] Heather Gay on motherhood after divorce
• [09:27] The “no more red hair!” debate about Whitney
• [22:24] Mary’s son, addiction, and reality TV ethics
• [31:18] “Gout dick sucker” drama at the party (iconic scene)
• [44:09] RHOC Lie detector test & Gretchen/Slade dynamic
• [48:41] Gender, partners, and the “house-husband” debate
• [52:16] Husband involvement: when does it work?
• [55:43] The fall of the Tres Amigas
• [63:01] RHOC casting predictions
• [70:51] Golden Bachelor preview: Maya’s casting
• [76:08] True crime Tesla case update
• [81:07] Magic Castle plans, sprinter van anecdotes
• [87:17] Patreon community wrap-up and plugs

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Tone & Style

The episode is raw, unfiltered, and hilarious—rife with inside jokes, candid pop culture judgment, and self-aware reality TV gossip. The chemistry among Heather, Julie, and Brandy creates a vibe that’s equal parts slumber party confessional and sharp industry panel.

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For New Listeners

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Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandy Howard]

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[Brandy Howard]

Listen up.

[Julie Goldman]

Woo woo.

[Heather McDonald]

Hannah McDonald ju hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. My Juicy Scoopers are so lucky today because rounding out the week of the funniest females I know, we have the two best girls around. Julie Goldman, Brandy Howard, stars of television, stage and film. And also the hosts of dumb gay podcast and one of our favorite patreons that we subscribe to.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh my God. Well, Peter is an honorary member of the Patreon.

[Heather McDonald]

He's not honorary member. He's paying.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm not honorary member meaning honorary, almost like part of the show.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Brandy Howard]

Like every time Julie's like, peter, Peter, I know you're listening, Peter.

[Heather McDonald]

And then he texts her and he goes, I was listening to the show.

[Julie Goldman]

It's one of my favorite things in the world.

[Heather McDonald]

See, we all support each other and you should too. Cause they're so funny and. And you're heading off in a little bit to San Francisco to do your show.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes, we're going round. The next round of Nightmare on Strip street is going to San Francisco to the great Star Theater and we are going to be hosting and doing our bits and doing our things. And it's a fun, fun, fun, so fun show.

[Brandy Howard]

Especially around Halloween.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And San Francisco. And that's a great time to visit San Francisco. If you don't live there, there's no better time to go than late September, October, in my opinion.

[Julie Goldman]

And you should consider it.

[Brandy Howard]

Can I say yes? We are truly gutted and saddened that we will not be.

[Julie Goldman]

This is true.

[Brandy Howard]

In your elite gated community for Halloween, which we were at a Jewish New Year celebration last night.

[Julie Goldman]

Happy Rosh Hashanah, everybody.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. I was getting kind of jealous. Cause I have, you know, a couple Jewish friends. You guys being. So you said you're going to a fun dinner and then I did pickleball and my friend was going to the fun dinner for the hol and I was like, what do they serve? Like, I was just like wanted to.

[Brandy Howard]

Be part of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

Well, our whole dinner ended up being about how baller the Halloween celebration is in here.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, they knew people in here and they.

[Brandy Howard]

I mean they're legends of full candy bars, iPhones given out, iPads. I'm like, trivia concerts. I need a new iPhone.

[Julie Goldman]

I know. Lining up around the streets.

[Heather McDonald]

I have heard the iPad story. I thought it was urban myth. Is it?

[Julie Goldman]

Apparently it's real. And they saw it firsthand, their children.

[Brandy Howard]

And I'm like, I have an iPhone 13 so I'm pretty disappointed. I'm not gonna get to work.

[Julie Goldman]

We were considering. Yeah like possibly if we were gonna be here dressing up as children.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, these large children are not turned away like they are in some. They're encouraged because the parents and the kids all hang out. And yes, you guys would have been invited, but instead the lucky people of San Francisco have been enjoying the art form. Where can I see all. All three of you together possibly in the fall. I can't believe you don't know that. You can because November 14th in Las Vegas at the NGM grand, we will be doing a very hysterical variety, funny, stand up, snarky impressions, bravo centric pop culture show. Singing, dancing, surprise guests. It is going to be a bonanza. And that is 10 o' clock Friday, the first night of the official Bravicon Weekend. And tickets have been selling so well. There are still some available. And you wanna get those and get on it and do your fun thing and. Cause we had so much fun last year.

[Julie Goldman]

So much fun.

[Brandy Howard]

And didn't we do it two years?

[Heather McDonald]

We've done other Vegas, we've done other Vegas shows, but the Bravo Con was two years ago. It's back again. Great time to be in Las Vegas in November. So we'll see you then. But now let's get into. Since we're talking about Bravo, let's get into Real Housewives of Salt Lake City last night. Now, I had Zach on last week, and there was some mixed reviews of the first episode that they went camping. It was a little shticky. They did a Blair Witch thing. They're running around. Lisa Barlow wasn't there. I didn't realize that Lisa Barlow wasn't there because she was still negotiating her contract.

[Brandy Howard]

Juicy love that.

[Heather McDonald]

And so now she's back and it's really disturbing because these women are not me. I run Vida Tequila along with multi other businesses. And sometimes you do get lawsuits that don't even matter. They don't matter. They're years ago. And it's a part of a case of just straight up jealousy and stupidity. I have the greatest family. I've given up so much to be this incredible person. I'm on a completely different level than these other women, and I don't appreciate it at all. So she's back. And I have to say, and let me get your opinion. I thought last night's episode was fantastic for so many reasons, which I want to go through because there were several great scenes as women, as moms. Besides the snarky juice, there were some great scenes. So I am back, obsessed, excited for the season. What did you guys think so far?

[Brandy Howard]

I really enjoyed last night. I agree about the first episode. A lot of it. Even the beginning of last night's episode was them acting like they wake up in the bed. Mary, what happened last night? I'm like, oh, God. Like, let's just get away from this bullshit. Let's get into the. So when we finally, like, they finally get going and it's. No, it's not being overproduced. I thought it, like, really was awesome. And I mean, we can't live without Lisa. We need Lisa in there.

[Heather McDonald]

So the first great scene that I thought as a mom that's kind of lived through what Heather Gay is living through, I thought that was so believable and refreshing when she sat and she said, I got divorced when the girls were young, he never had the kids on an overnight. So she wasn't that mom that got to benefit by having a week on, you know, or a weekend off or whatever.

[Brandy Howard]

That shocked me.

[Heather McDonald]

And she had to be the smiley, happy mom. And she's thrilled for it to end. She wants the job to end. The youngest one is going off to college in the fall. And so when this is being filmed, she's a senior going through the acceptance letters, which is a big pain in the ass. And she's just like, I'm thrilled. I'm happy it's over. And she's just sharing her true feelings. And then Bronwyn says, I'm the opposite. I had my child young, and she had to work before she got with Todd. And now she doesn't want her child to go off to college. So in order to keep her there, she's moved in the boyfriend, letting them fucking eat under the roof so that she can get her nails done for another year or two before sending the girl off to college. Of course, there has to be conflict. Whatever. Heather took it the wrong way because I don't like each other. I was Team Bronwyn on that. I don't think she was. I think she was literally saying, oh, isn't that interesting how women always have guilt, Right? And deal with it differently? And then I loved that Whitney chimed in, don't love the red hair. Don't know why no one's addressing that.

[Brandy Howard]

Julie has been nonstop.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know, Zach. I'm like, no blonde girl that was, like, raised blonde and has blonde hair her whole life should ever switch to the red. Unless you're getting paid to be in a movie. It is not a good idea.

[Brandy Howard]

The other Whitney on Mormon Wives tried that, too, and it was a total flop.

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's.

[Julie Goldman]

I just don't understand it.

[Heather McDonald]

I just don't remember when Patty Stanger used to be such a. On Million Dollar Million. What was it called? Millionaire Matchmaker. And she's this. Before she had her work done, before she met an Ozempic pen. Whatever. She looks freaking amazing now. Patty.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But she would sit there and the whole fun of the show was she was the worst almond mom boomer that you could create in a woman who's just screaming at you about your looks.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And she'd be like, get rid of the red hair. All men hate red hair. I won't. I won't accept a redhead at my cocktail party. Either go blonde or brunette or dark hair. No redheads. And I was like, oh, my God. I don't think that's true. I think there's very gorgeous redheads. Obviously, Julianne Moore and my mom always said, oh, my God, a redhead with green eyes, that. That only wears green is the most beautiful combination. I agree. I'm just saying, with a Whitney, that's a sexy blonde, a short redhead bob, not doing it for me.

[Brandy Howard]

Brandy. I would say on Dallas Housewives, I love when they have, like, dark skin and red hair and, like.

[Heather McDonald]

But she's meant to be redhead.

[Brandy Howard]

She.

[Heather McDonald]

She birthed out other redhead kids, right?

[Brandy Howard]

That's her natural thing.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, she thinks it's beautiful.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why Whitney went red, because she wanted her redhead kid to feel to match her.

[Brandy Howard]

I agree.

[Heather McDonald]

I was like, you. No, no.

[Brandy Howard]

But I also do think she saw, like, the force. Like, she was just like, you know what? I'm desperate to keep this job because she's.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel that I have to keep this job. I have my feelings.

[Brandy Howard]

So she. She needed to stand out. And she's like, I'm gonna set. She cut the bob, did the red, and she's trying to, like, now what.

[Julie Goldman]

She could have done also, which apparently Heather Gay did, was to take all the feeling out of her lips, and then she could have red hair and not be able to talk so she could go, I feel that maybe I could potentially have this primary. They can't. Heather Gay cannot.

[Heather McDonald]

Put too much filler.

[Julie Goldman]

She did the thing she said, I put too much Botox in my lips, and now they're numb. And now she can't. She can't.

[Heather McDonald]

For Juvederm or whatever it is, right?

[Julie Goldman]

But the level that. That. That they can't put their words together, they can't do it. Her and Angie particularly, they can't do it.

[Heather McDonald]

Speaking of our girl Aubrey o', Day, which, by the way, our best friend, maybe you don't belong to the Heather McDonald Juicy Scoop Patreon. Because at the first tier level, which is only $5, we have posted the video from our Palm Springs weekend, and we can watch it at lunch.

[Julie Goldman]

Great.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't want to make you pay the $5 to join. It is so, so funny. Right? People are like, who did this? Drake edit it. They're saying it. It feels like the office. I. They would watch this every week. It's the funniest thing. You guys are totally in it, doing funny. Anyway, so Aubrey o' Day performed at this event that we went to a couple weeks ago. I got. I caught a clip of the show that she's doing. With Dr. Terry Debro about. And the. And other people about, like, deflating your face. It's literally about deflating your face. So she.

[Brandy Howard]

Which is why she looks so beautiful again.

[Heather McDonald]

So, so they, yeah, so they said, okay, you know, it's like the opposite of swan. Are you ready to walk out of here? And she's like, yes, but before I do. And she takes off like a wig topper. Like she has hair underneath that is not thin. There's no bald spot. It just kind of frizzy. Takes off the wig topper. And then she returns with auburn hair. And the comments are like, wait, she left with another wig. She comes back with a hipper boy, subtle wig. But they did show her lips that they had deflated and they look so much better. Because sometimes when people. Lip filler is a great invention for people. But when it gets to be that there's no definition, like the hot dog lips are too full, that's when you need to just go down and do it a little so you can like line them. You know how it is. Julie, when did you first get your lips done?

[Julie Goldman]

Well, as a woman with dick sucking lips such as myself, it is. Sorry, Drake, but it really does, you.

[Brandy Howard]

Know, I mean, we can't get into it. I wanted to get like, I've never had mine done and I wanted to do it and I'm scared and I'm like, julie, you do it too. And she was gonna. I was gonna make her do it with me.

[Julie Goldman]

First of all, the last thing you need to do is put anything in your lips. Your lips are perfect.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, you do have nice full lips.

[Brandy Howard]

Thank you.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, secondly, I think that maybe. And again, agree. Get.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you make happy, Whatever, who cares?

[Julie Goldman]

But if you are having trouble forming words.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Julie Goldman]

I think that's when you go, maybe there's too much in my lips.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, getting back to the scene, so our girl Whitney, who revealed that she really made a mistake with her business. And I also appreciated that where she's like, I don't know, we just, we had a company, it was an MLM. Some people on TikTok have gotten really nasty. Justin and I put all of our money into it. We rebranded for the 18th time. It's Rosewater and Justin LBTQI skincare. And I'm like, oh, God. And so anyway, so she sits there and then she. I appreciate it too. Cause she goes, oh, my God. And now I would want nothing more to. Cause Heather's saying, you know, in the Mormon religion, we were raised to just be a wife and Mother. And it meant so much to me that I built this other business that I'm doing this fun thing along with the show, but they can't say that. And then Whitney goes. On the other hand, I would do anything just to be a stay at home mom. Like, fuck working like I was. I always remember Natasha Leggero, a very funny comedian. She had the funniest joke where she was like, who started this, like, women's lib shit? Like, I would much rather just be drinking martinis and having a casserole. And, you know, she's like, what is this? And it's true. So she was kind of like, wow, I would do anything for Justin to be the breadwinner again. And for me just to, like, have these last, you know, whatever years are left with her elementary age kids and enjoy herself, which I think a lot of women face too. When you want the business, you want to feel like a powerful woman, but when it doesn't work out, then you're like, screw this. I'd like to just make a casserole and wear my Lululemons.

[Brandy Howard]

Nooners just have martinis at noon. Justin got, I think, let go from his job where he was really well paid because she was deep throating champagne bottles.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, you're right. There was that. So they had to do what Eddie and Tamara did, where some producer, I'm just gonna guess maybe a gay producer, convinced them, you know, it'd be fun if we. If you guys acted out, you're kinky shit. So we're gonna bring in some sweaty cameramen and you guys are going to put body paint on your bodies.

[Brandy Howard]

I felt so bad for that.

[Heather McDonald]

And roll around in your living room just like they put out. They had to put like a hazmat thing over the rug and they had to slather around in, like, body paint. Of course, Tamara and Eddie did the bubble bath scene. Then, you know, and then Meredith was like, bubble bath is my thing. And I'm like, tamara did it first. Okay? Tamara was the first to get in a. I mean, I can't imagine going, hey, Peter, after you're done golfing, all the cameramen are gonna be here and I need you to act like you. Like, I need you to go into the bathroom, which, by the way, I've never even used the bathtub because Peter has a thing about how much water it takes to fill a bathtub. And he's like, you got a pool in a jacuzzi outside. O.

[Brandy Howard]

And also, don't forget, Drake's gonna be there, like, Being like a PA while you guys do your sexy lovemaking scene.

[Heather McDonald]

In the hot tub. And then I'm like, okay, Peter, just. Just take off your. Take off your. Just go down to like your Speedos.

[Julie Goldman]

Speedos.

[Heather McDonald]

And we're gonna get into this tub and then I'm gonna act like I'm sticking my giant toe in your taint.

[Brandy Howard]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

And you wonder why then when they come back from, you know, having the season air that like, maybe they're a little fucked up.

[Brandy Howard]

And it has taken well over, I would say four years for Julie to get past that taint scene and come back to Meredith. Like that really turned her off.

[Julie Goldman]

It really turned me off. But now I do want to say that since Taint Gate. Yeah, since Taint Gate, whatever that was. And it really did turn me off to Seth even more than Meredith. However I merit. I am.

[Heather McDonald]

We are.

[Julie Goldman]

We are back on Meredith. Like Meredith is giving it all. I don't. I'll take and all of it. I love every single word that comes out of her mouth. We watched Next Gen nyc. She came on there. She was so charming on there and so likable and just made us fall in love with her again. I'm going to get the caviar. I'm going to try it. I'm going to do it.

[Brandy Howard]

And I mean shout out to the scene where they give the champagne through the first of all. That was amazing.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Julie Goldman]

Oh, God.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you think when you told your son after he got back from rehab, hey, at 5:00 tonight, we're going to film you talking about your drug problem on camera and you don't think that might have added to his anxiety where he was like, I need a, I need to fudgeing. Get high for this. Take him off camera, you guys. Sorry. We don't need to see this kid on camera anymore. Until he's like not 30 days sober, five years sober, hopefully. Maybe she worked out a deal. I remember in the past the OC women had told me that like Briana would get paid and sometimes and Ryan would get paid because they were over 18. Maybe he's getting, you know, 2 grand to do this scene and maybe that's paying for. Hopefully that's not what he's using the money for, but maybe it's paying for something. I don't know. I know people appreciated seeing the rawness of it at this point. If you're doing weed before you have to do a reality show scene, that tells me you have anxiety about it and you don't want to tell your mom that you don't want to do it or she's saying you have to do it. That's part of the deal.

[Brandy Howard]

And you're nervous so you're.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[Brandy Howard]

Coping.

[Julie Goldman]

It's a good point. That's a very good point. I would, I was 1 million percent support that.

[Brandy Howard]

The scenes agree with that. They're really sad.

[Julie Goldman]

They're really sad.

[Heather McDonald]

And yes, it is relatable and it is good to watch it at home because sadly so many of us are going through it and, and having Drake.

[Brandy Howard]

Are you stoned right now before your job?

[Heather McDonald]

No. No. But like, listen, you know, I, I reveal like my, my brothers, you know, dealt with it. I used to go to rehab meetings for my brother when I was 13 and heard all that. That was when I first kind of fell in love with like juicy life stories. I was like, oh, my God, this is like pretty interesting. Classic Heather. No, it was pretty interesting. I remember this girl, like, you know, stood up and told her story of how she was like a high class call girl to pay for it. And then she was stunning. And then we wanted, and then we would look at the Zagat guide and go out to dinner, a new restaurant every night, every Wednesday in Beverly Hills. So that was Kind of fun. And then we'd sit out and my mom would be like, oh, my God, that girl had the face of an angel. You know, like, how could this happen? And then I remember this other guy was a TV executive, and he said, oh, my friends aren't accepting that I'm not, like, drinking and doing coke anymore. So I created a drink that looks like a cocktail, but it's not. And he was faking that he was still drinking while, like, doing movie deals. And I was like, this is some fucking juicy shit. It's sad, but juicy. I get why it's interesting to people, and her struggle is real. And I think as a mom, she's doing the best she can. Except either she or the producers are making this kid be on camera. And I don't think he should be on camera. And that's my personal opinion.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, I think that's completely valid. And he seems like you can tell that he's not fully. He already admitted that he's, I'm, you know, doing it with something else and whatever, and seems super depressed. And not only that, even if he wasn't doing, let's say, wasn't smoking pot or whatever, he clearly has, like, a depression issue.

[Brandy Howard]

That was really interesting that him revealing and being open about, like, he's isolating and he had to get rid of all of his friends. Oh, that was really sad. I mean, it's just.

[Heather McDonald]

It's true. And he's like, and then you. And he was really to. The way he explained. Explained rehab and why people don't believe that necessarily traditional rehab works. When you hear that a Brooke Mueller, you know, Charlie's ex, has gone 21 times or whatever, in that you go to this place where you have this routine every day and there's no drugs around, only to then go back to the place where the drugs and the people were right and think that you're going to have the tools not to resist. That's why I'm always like, I don't know. I believe sometimes there are better plans. And if it cost $40,000 for 30 days, aren't there sober coaches that could, like, move into your house for 20,000amonth, 5,000 a week, and literally be with you and teach you how to live in the real world? I know people are gonna freak out with this, but whatever.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm just saying, like, no, I don't think there's any. I think that in that you're giving as much grace as you possibly can. You look at someone, each person's different and at the end of the day, you can go to rehab 21 times, and you're going 21 times, dare I say, as an addict, my own self, because you don't want to get sober. So there is a part of personal responsibility that goes with it, too. So it's not just one thing. It's multiple things that. For people that.

[Brandy Howard]

But to your point, are a thing, and they're very effective. And especially when people are alone, spending a lot of time alone. And, I mean, they did tell him, we're not gonna babysit you. And I was like, well, that could be one of the problems as well. He might need some help.

[Heather McDonald]

He might need a babysitter. And you know what? It shouldn't be you. It shouldn't be. Yeah. Like, it's like, I always remember in the Blind side when the Kathy Bates character, because the family's so rich that adopted the football player, and she was his tutor, and they're like, yeah, she's gonna go with you to Mississippi and get a condo and make sure that you go to your classes and your constant person for four years to make sure that you don't do drugs. Do that. I'm like, that's a very expensive way to live. But I always was like, wow, that's. That's how a rich person might need to deal with their kid. You know, whatever. Okay, so let's get to the juice. And the juice by the juice. The saying that was heard around the world. You gout. What was it? Gout, dick sucker. You are a gout, dick sucker. This was said by Lisa Barlow to Bronwyn, because Bronwyn is married to a much older, wealthier man that at one time when they were good friends. Now, let me just tell you, let's remind the audience of the history. These two girls, Bronwyn, the one of the newest cast members, who wears eccentric outfits, who was a young teen mom or nineteen, and has been married to this guy Todd for, like, eight years, who has a lot of money. And so she and. And Lisa Barlow used to be really good friends. It was Lisa Barlow who got her on the show, either introduced her, or they saw her in Lisa's Instagram or she actually said she'd be great for the show. I don't think there's a stronger housewife betrayal than when you get your friend on the outside world as a cast member and they turn on you so fucking dirty. So dirty. And you're like, how could I? Why would. Why did I ever suggest this person? I thought she'd Be my ally. I thought she'd be the. And they are at war. And it's ugly. And it's about lawsuits. And Bronwyn brings up over and over, she's bitter about how she was treated last year by Lisa Barlow. So she sees that Lisa Barlow's has several lawsuits, one being from this guy who says, you owe me money. And she reveals in the. In the court docs and the text messages that Lisa Barley's like, okay, I'll pay you back, but don't tell my husband John. And they had. And Angie had said at the last reunion, at least I don't have another guy who's not my husband playing paying for my amex bill. And there were rumors in the past that she was doing sexual favors to get jazz tickets, basketball tickets for her sons. And she denied that, and that was horrible. Now there's this other guy that supposedly used his amex to help with the business, and he wants his money back. But John doesn't know. She says it's all explainable. And so that's why they're at each other's throats. And they go to the party, and Bronwyn is wearing a Christian. What's that guy?

[Julie Goldman]

Siriano.

[Heather McDonald]

Siriano dress that he said cost close to $10,000. He does not give her freebies. And I'm like, you're an idiot.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I don't even find another designer like, that will give. Will make you a dress that you can feature. Like, are you kidding me? You're not even in give us free dress. She's inviting you to stay at her house. She's wearing your stuff. So she wears this big, weird. It looks like a blue. It's. The sleeves are so big, she can barely get through a double door entry.

[Brandy Howard]

It's kind of like a big bow.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's blue and black and whatever. And so she. They're getting. Going at it, and then, you know, she gets so mad that Lisa Barlow is like, oh, really? Oh, really? You are a gout dick sucker. And I died. They all died. And she's like, I liked. And this is at the fancy ladies party. Yeah, I like to suck dick. I hope everybody who's in a relationship is sucking dick. What's wrong with it? And. And then other people like. And when Whitney's like, I didn't even know what gout was. Well, you might want to have Justin tested, okay. Because he looks like he could possibly be on the verge of contracting it.

[Julie Goldman]

That is true. But the truth is, though, I mean, in Whitney's defense, out of those group of women, she really is the only one who likes sucking dick.

[Brandy Howard]

So, I mean, honestly, if I were to.

[Heather McDonald]

If I ponder, if I had to really find out who's really doing it and loving it like a popsicle on a hot summer day, I would say 100% it's her.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm going to. I'm going to just. I'm just going to throw caution to the wind.

[Heather McDonald]

Otherwise, act we like they're doing it more than they are.

[Brandy Howard]

We have done a girls night, like, probably a hundred times where we sucked each other's dick. When have we ever been out and gone? Like, you know what? I love sucking dick. Oh, my God. I love sucking dick, too. Like, all of us, we're all just talking about how we love sucking dick. We were just at a girls night, like, a week ago. Nobody mentioned sucking a dick. No one likes it. No one cares.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, well, I can definitely say out.

[Julie Goldman]

Of the group, I don't like it. So I can tell you that we.

[Brandy Howard]

Literally never talked about it and don't mention it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, let me explain to the kids. That is like, what is gout? The first time I heard about gout was a similar situation. I was in my early 30s, and one of my high school friends got married at, like, 27 to this guy that, when Peter saw him, was like, there's no way that that's her husband. Because he felt he was like a cross between Joe Giudice at his worst, as his worst, and Todd, but younger. Like, not attractive, not attractive. And my friend was very attractive, like, probably could have modeled. So anyway. But he swept her off her feet because he had a couple bucks. And even though he's only like five years older than she, it seemed like she was with this, like, older Pretty woman situation anyway. And so she was very braggy. Our whole life from high school on, she'd always brag, always make something positive that wasn't negative. And even she was able to make her husband having gout positive. She said, you know, I'll just call him Danny. You know, Danny has gout. And we're like, what's that? And she goes, oh, they call it the rich man's disease because it's based on most men who go out every night after closing huge deals, have steak dinners and martinis and all that kind of rich food can sometimes lead to gout, which I don't know what the gout is. I want to say it, like, blows up a food. Your foot. Does it, like, blow?

[Julie Goldman]

It's something about an acid. Something about an.

[Brandy Howard]

Like a. I don't got within your feet.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Is that what he said? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what. No, I think again, that's where you start to see it, where, like, you get kind of a blown up, swollen feet. Yeah. And, you know, a change of diet.

[Brandy Howard]

Blow up your hands.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Probably fix it. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

But some people get it, no matter what.

[Heather McDonald]

Out of your husband's d. Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

Do you.

[Heather McDonald]

How many guys probably have said that to, like, a dumb girlfriend? Like, what do you have? Honey, why are you limping? I have gout. It's the rich man's disease. And the only way to get rid of it is for you to suck it out of me. Oh, my God. I won't do any. I'll do it. Of course. I'll suck the gown out of your dick for you.

[Julie Goldman]

And according to Heather Gay, she would gladly. I can't. Well, I'm not going to say it, so. Okay. Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

Have we been confirmed that Todd does suffer from gout?

[Heather McDonald]

No, I don't think so. She said so. Lisa, somewhere, something Braun once said. I joked about this five years ago with. With Lisa Barlow when we were friends, and who would have thought that a. An innocent joke, a throwaway joke that you said about. Oh, she said, when my AMEX bill comes, I'm, you know, make sure my husband gets a blowjob before he looks at it. She said she made some joke like that between two friends not on camera. Five years ago. Now she's on the show and it's being thrown in her face, and she's like, why. Why should I be ashamed that my husband of 10 years does pay for my bills and I do have sex with him. Like, why is that anything. Like, you're. You're dealing with men that aren't even your husband. So she won the fight last night. If this was a actual boxing match, which is what's becoming Housewives Berkeley Bronwyn, in my opinion, won. And Lisa Barlow, though, fun to watch. She was spinning. She was not doing well, though, I will say what.

[Julie Goldman]

The one thing we remember is gout dick.

[Brandy Howard]

That's right.

[Julie Goldman]

And that will.

[Brandy Howard]

And if he. That is Lisa, if he has not been, you know, admitted that he suffers from the affliction of gout. That's an even better.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, it's an even better. It's even better. You just. You just brought. You just took gout and you branded Todd gout dick. Right. Because Todd is so gross.

[Heather McDonald]

If he does currently have gout, I hope that they turn lemons into lemonade, and he gets. Maybe there's some pharmaceutical product for that.

[Julie Goldman]

They can get a brand deal.

[Heather McDonald]

And all of a sudden, they're getting the brand deal as a couple. How? And they then. Because he knows businesses and investments, he, like, invests in it and becomes huge, much bigger than Vita Tequila. And then Lisa Barlow is like, you know what? It's fine. My husband's tall and thin. We can drink tequila and still look great. We don't have to sell gout shots once a week.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, Bronwyn will. I will say, if that does happen, she'll come in with some big, colorful outfit. He'll have his foot on the table.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

Her outfit will be a huge foot.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

It'll be behind her.

[Julie Goldman]

A huge, giant, swollen foot.

[Heather McDonald]

And she'll call you the hot dog.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, exactly.

[Julie Goldman]

Huge.

[Brandy Howard]

She'll pick him up at the airport.

[Heather McDonald]

As a huge swollen foot.

[Julie Goldman]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's like, actually, I'm gonna laugh all the way to the bank. Okay. Because my husband loves me. And if Lisa Barlow can't realize that, I'm not gonna apologize for it.

[Brandy Howard]

For, like, hands.

[Julie Goldman]

Lectostin. It's good for gout.

[Brandy Howard]

She's gonna show her and Todd, like, frolicking on, like, a yacht. Like, yeah, I can go anywhere now, and it's gonna be like, lactoses. It'd be some weird song or.

[Julie Goldman]

Goutosin. Yeah, Gout a van. Try gout a van. Goutavan. And then she'll have it on the thing. It'll say gowdavan. And then they'll go back and they'll go in the.

[Brandy Howard]

Like, we can be normal now. And then I'm in shorts or whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

There is, like, doubt in my mind that at Bravocon, there will be girls that do Etsy stuff that have already zoo ga out of gout.

[Julie Goldman]

Dick.

[Heather McDonald]

Gout. Dick sucker.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because I'm guessing you know that she did not coin that. That saying, meaning she did not. You'd have to not get a pound trademark, trademark on it. Otherwise anyone can make that shirt. So if you haven't made it already, go make it. I am not going to make it through the juicy scoop thing. It's a little too dirty for me, though. I love it.

[Brandy Howard]

We were given looks on a set of wine glasses.

[Heather McDonald]

You could dazzle it.

[Brandy Howard]

That had. You smell like hospital. Yeah, it was one of them. It was all these things you smell like.

[Heather McDonald]

Hospital is a classic as well.

[Julie Goldman]

Classic, Classic.

[Heather McDonald]

When Mary's hospital, like, they really do keep bringing it. I. I'm so happy because that first episode really had me nervous. I felt that they were all being like Shannon Doors with the shtick. And it was really making me nervous. And so I'm grateful that that's not the case and we're off and running.

[Brandy Howard]

Well, I just wanted to say when they, before the party that there was a grass wall that was like, like Alice in Wonderland. And his hands pushed through just with gloves and gave them champagne. And, and Seth's like, oh, yeah, that's the glory hole champagne wall. And Meredith's like, or whatever with her laugh. And I was just like, yes, thank God.

[Julie Goldman]

Meredith.

[Brandy Howard]

All we need from Meredith is the laugh.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And the accent and just a couple moments of anger. So far she hasn't been featured that much, but I'm sure it's coming. Yeah, maybe not though. Maybe people won't make her angry and we won't get to see these moments of where she was. You know, you can leave. Like, I don't know if we're gonna get that this season.

[Julie Goldman]

I hope so.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Brandy Howard]

I've been having fun watching it. I mean, I think it's the lie detector. It's like it's Bravo has really. I mean they're gonna just start sending, just sending people to Bravo jail at this point.

[Heather McDonald]

Like they're gonna have.

[Brandy Howard]

They're gonna start a Bravo pd. They're gonna have like a Bravo District attorney that comes in.

[Julie Goldman]

Bravo, pg.

[Brandy Howard]

It's like, they're gonna have a court.

[Julie Goldman]

So you put your lips. Ladies, like, all that. That is amazing.

[Brandy Howard]

I felt like I always wanted to do, like, my own lie detector. Like, go get trained, have the thing. Because that's all. They're just independent contractors that have the lie detector machine, which clearly those two people were very unfair. Like, the. Like, the man.

[Julie Goldman]

They're actors. Oh.

[Brandy Howard]

So, yeah, the man's like, you can't speak. You can't do this. And they're all so stressed out. Like, I don't know how reliable those things are just in general. But, I mean, it seemed like one of the most stressful things anyone could ever go through. And then you have to sit there and then be like, yeah, no, you failed every single question you were asked. Like, oh, really? Including my name. So I guess that means I passed all of them because I know my name is my name. Because the first thing they ask you are, like, right. Actual facts about your true. You know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

They'll go, what's your name? Or, you know, is your name Heather McDonald's? And all this stuff. And then. And then they get into the lies. So. But then they.

[Heather McDonald]

I would like to do it to see if I could effectively lie, and I don't think I could at all. I think I am not a good liar. I don't lie. I do get nervous anxiety. So even if I was telling the truth and it was like a party or something, and. And I really felt like if I failed it, it would affect my life. Maybe I'm on a reality show. Maybe it's among friends. I would, at this point, absolutely say, no way.

[Brandy Howard]

No, no.

[Heather McDonald]

Not gonna fucking do it.

[Brandy Howard]

I can even be asked. And this is an actual true, like, fact of, like, human nature. Like, if someone's like. Like, I'll, like, say I've do a job, like a commercial, and I leave, and then the production will call everyone and go, hey, did you take a phone? Like. Cause it's like a phone commercial. And immediately I'm like, did I steal the phone? Like, I feel like I did do it. Like, I. When I'm asked something, like, I already feel like I'm lying, or it's like, you're gonna have an immediate, like, physiological response. I don't know how I would sit there. Like, you know, the criminals are just like, I'm gonna keep my heart rate down.

[Julie Goldman]

They put, like, a. They put, like, a thing in their shoe. And you're supposed to, like, put something painful in Your foot. We learned this on Ocean's eleven or Ocean's twelve or Ocean's thirteen.

[Heather McDonald]

While you do the test, you're supposed.

[Julie Goldman]

To, like, put something where it's. There's some sort of receptor, where if you're, like, dealing with that, then your response doesn't get.

[Heather McDonald]

Because you're focusing on the pain.

[Julie Goldman]

There's something about it. I can't remember what.

[Brandy Howard]

When I get my teeth cleaned, I will, like, squeeze. Like, I'll cause pain, like, somewhere else in my body.

[Heather McDonald]

I do that. When I get Botox, I, like, pinch my leg or something. Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

So I think it's the same concept with Lidotype.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Julie Goldman]

Sometimes we'll do our podcast, and Brandy will ask me, well, did you take out? Did you edit whatever? And I'm like, I don't know. I actually don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

Now.

[Julie Goldman]

I don't know because I feel like I think I did, but I feel like I'm being accused that I have, but now I'm lying. So now I feel like I'm lying. Like it's crazy. And they can do that to you.

[Brandy Howard]

That's a good idea, Heather.

[Heather McDonald]

To do it.

[Brandy Howard]

See if we can all pass it.

[Heather McDonald]

Every time I've ever been pulled over my body, you would think that I had both my children who I murdered in the back of my trunk. Like, the way I act, like I am just, like, shaking. Like, I have to, like. Like, it could be nothing. It could be like, hey, I thought. I think you rolled through that stop sign or whatever it is. And I'm just like, yes, officer. And then I have to pull over and, like, like, literally calm down. It takes, like, two hours.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

The fight or flight, when you see the lights, and they'll be like, pull over. And you're like, oh, my God, they found out about the murder.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

I mean, like, what?

[Heather McDonald]

Like.

[Julie Goldman]

Like, I just tried it one time in college. Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

I want to do this test, though, where we get the lie detector. We should have. We should have our. We should have a housewives party where we do.

[Heather McDonald]

We really should. I mean, these people look like they're up for hire. Let's just bring them down. You.

[Brandy Howard]

Can we just lie and then see if we can pass through the lies? You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

Ask each other question. We ask each other some questions that.

[Julie Goldman]

We know we're lying.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, but you have to lie and see if it works, right? I don't know. That would be kind of fun. Okay, so that's fun.

[Julie Goldman]

I do want to say. Can I just say in general, I am really enjoying all of it. And I want to say that I am disappointed though, because I was. I really did think Gretchen had the mic drop moment of almost. I mean, I don't even for years with the whole thing with Shannon Beador and when she said in New Orleans, who wants to be around somebody who's committed crimes? And she's like, well, you do have a dui and that is a crime.

[Heather McDonald]

That was a great moment.

[Julie Goldman]

I thought that was an amazing moment for her. But now with the Slade and the song and the thing she's really, in my opinion, is starting to look really bad.

[Brandy Howard]

Maybe the Slade that holds her back. Don't you guys think?

[Julie Goldman]

Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's. I'm not sure, but it's not a good. What's happening with them right now is not a good look, in my opinion. I'm still enjoying it though, and I love every second of it.

[Heather McDonald]

I saw a comment which I thought was a great comment about people saying, you know, oh, well, now we know that, you know, Gretchen makes all the money and she owns the house and everything's in her name. And Slade is just someone who helps with the daughter and her business. And then a person wrote, isn't that what we kind of want for our daughters? Like, is that the worst thing in the world to have a partner that totally supports you and is like, you know, not running off to do two weeks to sell something? Like, he's there. And it is about Gretchen and her businesses. Like, I'm just saying, to play.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, like, no, I.

[Heather McDonald]

As someone that, like I remember being at Chelsea lately and they would rip on my home life so much and that they're, you know, because, because at a certain point, Peter was the main caregiver for the kids and he was picking them up from school and doing all those things. And I didn't get home till 7:30 or 8 at night. And they would say the exact same things to me. And I was like, and I just have to roll with it, you know? But at the same time I was like, do you imagine if I said that to your wife? Like, why is your wife just on her fat ass with her pregnant body? Like, why isn't she, why isn't she in court, like making 200,000 a year as a high powered attorney? Like, so you're saying it would be better that their daughter, you know, doesn't have a stay at home? I understand the past with his other kids, but like, I'm just saying, currently.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, I Meant by holding her back, I just mean on the show. I think on the show it's. That's what's sort of, I think giving her sort of like a lot of flack and people are turned off because of him. I think if she was there, staying on her on her own, even if she brought rumors of the song and that stuff. I just think people are tired of the husbands. I think their life and their relationship and their family is great. And I find them, you know, I like them both. Even though he's, you know, has that sort of like dark history with that standup show, which was, you know, but whatever. People can change, but I think their relationship seems real and genuine. But I think people are tired. I speak for myself, I'm tired of the husbands. I think they're on way too much.

[Heather McDonald]

I think that people say that, but then when there are no husbands, the show is not as good. The husbands make it juicy. The husbands are what makes women have more complex situations. Because you have this man who's not a woman in your life, who's either the father or the, you know, whatever you have. If it's just women being single, I'm sorry the stories are not as juicy, like there's not as much at stake without a husband that you could piss off or who could piss off.

[Brandy Howard]

There's a way to have them interact with their husbands. There's also a way to have the husbands interact with each other on Salt Lake City. Does it a lot like Married to Medicine where the husbands always hang out. That's always been one of the things about Salt Lake City is the husbands did their own scenes. And you can have interpersonal scenes. Slade's deal is he's always in women's business. Like Peter on Atlanta when he said, peter, stay out of women's business. We don't want to see Slade and four women or Slade have the hard on for Tamara.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what I think is hard, because you know they're going to want him at the reunion and it's a hard place to be in because if you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. If you're a man that was part of the storyline and they want you on the reunion, then you know they want to defend themselves, defend their wife, defend their marriage, their family. But if they defend themselves too strongly, then they look like they're coming off of a woman and then the audience hates you because you're mansplaining and whatever. The only man in the history of Reunions that came off well, in my opinion. Is Shane, Emily's husband. He came on after the first year and said, yeah, I saw myself, I treated her poorly. I'm not happy with it and I'm changing. That is the. And it was between him and her. It was, he never went after really the other women. It was just him saying I wasn't a great husband and I'm going to change my ways. And I was making mean mark remarks about what she was ordering and shit. And I'm going to stop that. Other than that, all the husbands come off either defensive or guido like or, or fighting each other. But it's entertaining to watch. But they don't come off well, I would say.

[Brandy Howard]

Greg Nene's husband always did well. Yeah, they always seemed like a united front and were really funny.

[Heather McDonald]

Also. Karen Huger's husband. Yeah, because they were just like older, gentlemanly, like. Yeah, that's what I think too.

[Brandy Howard]

He always reminded me they were like classy.

[Heather McDonald]

Like they just felt like our dad or something. Like being classy. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Brandy Howard]

Well, I don't know. I mean, I would say he absolutely has to go to the reunion and, and anyone who would suggest otherwise, I mean it's like he, he's been a big part of the season. He's definitely contributed. They stuck their neck out. They, they added storyline after storyline, you know, I mean that's really all you can ask for.

[Heather McDonald]

I think at this point they have nothing to lose. So the only thing they can do is just to show who they are as people because the accusations are just going to get worse and people and have their opinion. And I do think I said this, I'm like, I'm all for bringing back old people because I do think it makes it entertaining. And then as a bottom line person, like the newer fans will go back and they'll make sure they have peacock and they'll watch all the peacocks. And now you have all these people watching old episodes. So here's some juicy stuff that's happening. Apparently Vicki and Shannon, as you can recall, one of the greatest stage shows of our time was called the Trace Amigas.

[Julie Goldman]

Tony. Tony Award winner.

[Heather McDonald]

It was a Tony Award nominated. I don't think they got it.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm sorry.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Vicki, Tamara and Shannon and they went and they got little cute matching. They always looked cute in their outfits. Little cute matching sombrero type outfits. The Trace Amigas from. And they, you know, they wore sombreros. And then some people were like, you should be canceled because you shouldn't wear a sombrero because you're not Mexican. Okay, that was a stretch for these three six year old blonde women. But anyway, then. Then they got little cute, matching, like, dresses that were like blazer dresses in pink and orange. And they would. They would sing where the Tres Amigas types. And I watched these videos and I was like. And Tamara was like, get me the fuck out of this. So she bailed. And then it was a Dos Amigos. And that was just Shannon and Vicky will always be bosom buddies, friends, sisters and pals. They sang that song because that's what Laverne and Shirley sang. And they identified as the modern day Laverne and Shirley because they're both so hysterical. And now Vicki has said that she doesn't hear from Shannon. They're not close. And she, of course, has a podcast, too. And who does she bring on her podcast? Alexis Bellino.

[Julie Goldman]

Ooh.

[Heather McDonald]

Now, Alexis Bellino and Tamara are very close.

[Brandy Howard]

Oh, they are.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's going to the wedding along with Joe Delaroso is going to Alexis's wedding. And now maybe Vicki will, you know, get there, maybe sell some Coto insurance while she's there.

[Julie Goldman]

We want to get insurance from Vicki.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And so this is not. I feel there should be a little panic with the lemon girl, Shannon Beador. I think there's a chance that this is not going well in her direction.

[Julie Goldman]

Do you think she'll end up doing Una Amiga and she'll maybe just be like, I am here on my own. And maybe like, like, because it seems like they're just. Would she could do her solo, one woman, one Una Amiga show, maybe.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, here's the thing. They go to Temecula, and Tamara clearly hates Shannon. Okay. And Shannon clearly hates Tamara. And last year, Tamara bet that the world of Mothers against drunk driving of 1985, we're going to get behind Tamra and put Shannon on the cross, like Vicki Gulfson once claimed to be.

[Brandy Howard]

It was a dead horse and it was beaten to death again and again.

[Heather McDonald]

And again, bringing up over and over. You got drunk and ran into a house. You. You, you didn't have your dog strapped into its dog chair or she could have been maimed. Like, all these things that didn't happen. And therefore, people were like, okay, enough. Like, whatever. And so because of that, Shannon's like, God, you are someone I absolutely cannot trust. Which she cannot. But Tamara in her mind is like, hey, dum dum, if we don't get along and start to fake our friendship and have you're not gonna you or I won't be asked back. So we need to act like we're bosom buddies again.

[Brandy Howard]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm giving you some lifelines, and you're ignoring it. And so now she's like, well, now you like, I'm not gonna help you. Yeah, I was a. To you. I hate you. Don't you know we're on a reality show. I'm doing it for 17 years. I've never been. Remember when she gave Gretchen the friendship bracelet? She hated Gretchen. She doesn't like anybody. She's not friends with anybody. Okay, so. So it's like, know that. That's why Heather's scared of her. And know that. And then. So she's like, play along. But meanwhile, Shannon's just like, I'm not gonna talk about this. And then she's like, you know, I had a lot of trauma in my childhood. And then Tamara goes, well, didn't you say? Cause your dad was a raging alcoholic. And she's like, Tamara, my dad's 97. I just had lunch with him at Javier's where he ordered a double double, and I ordered a triple. Why are you bringing this up right now? God, Tamara. And camera's like, I'm done. I'm fucking done. The show is about conflict and resolution. It never was about that. It was about following women's lives who are predominantly housewives. Now it's the WWE and whatever. And you have to cheer for your person as they come out on Bravo Con. Like, you. Like, they booed for, you know, Lisa Rinna, and she flipped them off, and, you know, that's what it is now. So play along or risk getting fired. And I think Shannon has something to worry about because I think that Tamara is planning this whole thing. She's got now Vicki, Alexis. We're real friends. Kate. People are loving Katie. She's hopped on. So in one boat, it's gonna be Katie, Vicki, Alexis, Tamara, Tamara, Shannon. Who else? Joe De la Versa, Heather. Heather can still probably be there. And then Joe. I don't know, but she can probably still show up for a few scenes. I don't. I. I'd be shocked if they asked her to, like, actually be a friend or something. I don't think there's, like, enough of a connection there, but whatever. And then in the other boat, it's Shannon Beador, Gina, Emily, and. And Gretchen.

[Brandy Howard]

Gina is trying to.

[Heather McDonald]

Join snl.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, exactly. She's meeting with Lorne Michaels this week. She seems like she's trying to just put it behind her. Just go with Katie and get into that boat, in my opinion, because aren't people sort of acting like she's gonna.

[Heather McDonald]

Have a hard time getting in with Katie? Because she's very mad. Because that whole thing where Katie said the Asian designers. Yeah. It's basically Gina, in my opinion, who wears the worst clothes of anyone. I mean, I'm talking a $25 jacket. Like a $25. Like, if you breathed on it, would catch on fire. So I think she struggling to make ends meet while being on a show for six years. Bravo paid your people more, please. She was jealous that. That, you know, that. That Katie is so beautiful and has great style and said, oh, I'm highlighting Asian designers. So she saw that she was wearing, like, Balenciaga and was like, oh, is that an Asian designer? Meaning, like, you're acting like you're, you know, finding these unique designers when you're not. You're going to Neiman's and getting an expensive outfit either lent you or returning it after or whatever. I believe that's what she meant. I don't think she was being racist, but Katie pulled the racist card with that. So I think Gina's like, oh, fuck you. Like, you know, that's what I think was going on there.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, well, she should get past it and get into the boat. That's not. Doesn't have a hole in it that's not sinking.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, this is where you need the Bravo PD to come and investigate and walk in.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, we need the locators. We need the D.A.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. And the arbitrator.

[Brandy Howard]

Do you think I want to know? Do you think that Shannon and her sort of like, I know that production and everybody's already used to that, her whole thing. And there are people behind the scenes that are hard to work with. Like, do you think that will have anything to do with it if. If they. I don't know if that they would even let Shannon go. I. I mean, I just.

[Heather McDonald]

I have heard from a good source that in the past, she is, like, the easiest when it comes down to just signing the contract. She doesn't negotiate for more. She's not a Lisa Barlow. She's not like, hey, I showed my. Remember? She's like, I've done it all. I've showed that my husband was cheating. I lifted up my shirt and had the guy go, whoa, when I got fat. I, you know, did all. I've done these extra shows for you. I've, you know, all these awful things that she's shared about her life. Like, she truly is like the most genuine and about sharing her trauma, traumatic life. And the audience loves a traumatic person. No, I don't think being rude or being a little short with the hair guy is going to get you fired. I just don't. So no, I don't think it has anything to do with it.

[Brandy Howard]

And do you think. Well, I just, I don't see them ever really being able to let her go. She's. She's a pretty big fan favorite, but I know that.

[Heather McDonald]

But she probably does make a lot now that's the thing. Even without asking for raises. She's been on so many years, she's gotta be making at least a million a year. And they're always trying to get rid of the person that makes the most.

[Brandy Howard]

Always, always, always, always. But Bravo's thing. Just gonna keep bringing.

[Heather McDonald]

Or they'll make her a friend. My prediction is they make her a friend.

[Brandy Howard]

Will they bring Vicki back? Cause that's really all I care about.

[Heather McDonald]

They will. No, they'll just. Because she's so thirsty, they'll just say, okay, well, because she was like, I thought I was going to be, you know, in scenes invited to parties and stuff. They didn't. So I think that they will use her for free and have her be just going to parties. I think they will demote Shannon to a friend.

[Brandy Howard]

Why don't they want Vicki?

[Heather McDonald]

Why? Because they don't have to. Like, it's all about who do we have to spend a dollar on. We don't have to spend a dollar on Vicki. She's going to show up to the party. She's going to show up to the party. So like, why have her like, why don't we spit? Why don't we get a brand new rich girl and. And how. And film the shit out of her and then have all her lawsuits and.

[Brandy Howard]

Her 5,000 a week.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And her estranged dad show up and her child that we didn't know that she gave up for adoption. Crawl into the basement and then find her old assistant that her husband had an affair with. Why don't we destroy that girl who lives on Newport coast for 60,000 a season? Yeah, that's a much better. That's way more bang for our buck than showing another scene of her shuffling pages at Coda Insurance. We've seen it.

[Brandy Howard]

The wood paneling.

[Julie Goldman]

But also, but again, another Vicky, A person who had the mic drop moment of just make sure they know I died. Sad. What about one of the best lights ever?

[Heather McDonald]

I know, but I don't.

[Julie Goldman]

But I'm saying, but everything you're saying.

[Heather McDonald]

Is right her weasel her way back in there. She's got to make sure that the new boyfriend screws her over or something. Maybe if the new boyfriend is having an affair with Joe de la Rosa. Now we've got a show. Now you can both come back.

[Brandy Howard]

I loved seeing her be mean to Teddy and call Teddy a. At that stupid murder mystery thing last season.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, the traitors. The tra. It was a. It was. It was a traitor thing. Hello, housewives. And Vicki.

[Brandy Howard]

And Vicki's like a. Oh, she's a bitch.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean, I will say Vicky and Tamara together, regardless of how you feel about them, are magical together. They really, truly are.

[Brandy Howard]

I really agree with Bravo's.

[Heather McDonald]

They really are sisters who hate each.

[Julie Goldman]

Other and they are hilarious together. They are.

[Brandy Howard]

I don't agree with Bravo's business model. I think that, you know, it didn't work with, with the reboot of New York. You think you can bring in new girls and you. Maybe you can if you have some tried and true OGs around. We can get used to new people. Like get used to Katie. They have to. Katie came in very hot right away and went right for Heather Dubrow. So that got her very interesting. But I think pay your people the money. Keep those people around. Ride those people into the ground because that's what makes BravoCon. That's what makes the fandom what it is, and that's what we want to see. I will watch Vicky walking around talking about bran, bran, bran, bran, bran. Brooks was right for me, right?

[Heather McDonald]

That was such a different thing. I mean, it was so good when, when Brooks was there and she hated Brooks. I mean, she loved Brooks and Brooks was awful to Brianna. And Brianna had the kind of sketchy, you know, hot headed, fresh from Afghanistan boyfriend, now husband, but now she lives across the country and they're like fit and thin and like this normal family of four. So there's no point, right? Like what, where is the juice? There isn't any unless something happens with her boyfriend. Okay. So I wanted to tell you first of all. Wait, I'll get to that in a minute. Getting to Lisa Rana did her. Does her podcast in a bucket hat with her husband and they. She said, oh. So I went to Kyle's daughter Alexis's wedding and I adore her. She's adorable. And the producer called me and they said, can we film you? You're doing a wedding. I personally didn't know they were filming at the wedding, but I guess they decided to film something at the wedding. And, you know, What? Harry? You don't need it.

[Julie Goldman]

You don't need it.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't need it. And it felt so good to tell that producer, no, film around me, film around me. So I don't know if you're going to see that scene or not. And there's going to be me fuzzy. And so then she brings up that, that she has also been asked to make an appearance at BravoCon. And she also turned it down. And apparently the word is they're going to reach out to a lot of old GS because it is like the 20th anniversary of Housewives, you know, because we're on season 19 of the original. So we're coming on 20 years. And I love an OG. I love a one hit wonder if you can get them for money. I think it's just like let's, it's like more animals at the zoo. Like let's just watch them all. Like let's see what happens. And then. But she. So then people were like, of course she always has to talk about when she was offered something and turned it down, whatever, who cares? And then she said about how when she came out and she was booed and she said that Erica was like, you might wanna watch out, Lisa, I don't know, you might get booed. And she's like, Erica, I can't imagine these people booing me. And I wanna say I feel like I was there for the booing. I feel like that was the one that I watched that I had time to go in and see that first that day. Whatever. Cause I remember that was the only one I wanted to see was Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And I think I was there when she came out and she looked so cute in this orange suit. And they really did boo her. And she flipped him off and she said like a, like a WWE wrestler. And I'm like, I, yeah, I wish she would come back.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, I mean Lisa Rinna's again, somebody you can't not enjoy watching.

[Brandy Howard]

I wonder what capacity were they thinking of her at Bravo Con? Are they imagining her on like a panel with just other Beverly Hills housewives, Other ex housewives?

[Heather McDonald]

I think it probably would have been like other exog housewives or maybe even a one on one. I mean like I would do if I, if she agreed I would. Why would you waste it? Why wouldn't you have her a one on one? Spill it all. Talk about that night in Aspen. Talk about the sprinter van. Talk about when you thought that Yolanda have Munchausens and how, you know, this, this was fed to you by a blogger or by Lisa Vanderpump or whatever, you know. But has she shared all of it already on her podcast? I don't know. What's there, what's there to give? But just her being on stage, even if the questions were light, even if they were like, talk about your favorite outfits or something, I think, you know, would have been fun.

[Brandy Howard]

Do you think she would come back if they asked her back?

[Heather McDonald]

She doesn't need it.

[Julie Goldman]

She doesn't need it.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm a model. I don't. I don't know. I think she's one of those that would say, never say never. I think the price is right. I think if she could, like, call her own shots where it's like, I decide if I go on a trip or not, I, you know, probably she would say, I will do it by the day, but my rate is, you know, $10,000 a day. It would have to be something a lot. And then they would probably hand pick the moments, like, it's got to be a dinner party when shit's going down. It's got to be. So I don't know. And then, then it becomes, I think, less reality show. Because now you're like trying to save this, like bomb for things instead of just like, oh, you guys got an argument. Now you're gonna have lunch. Now you're gonna talk about the event coming up. Whatever. Okay, big news here is the bat. The Golden Bachelor airs tonight. Oh, and my very, very good friend is on it as the Bachelorette. She's one of the.

[Julie Goldman]

Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

My friend Maya Dreyer is on it and so she.

[Brandy Howard]

What's the deal with our bachelor? Do we know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's 66 years old. He, I think is an attorney, but he has like a football background. And I want to say whatever kind of law he does has something to do with football. He has been divorced like twice, I think, and has like 18 year old age type sons. He had gone on a podcast and said he doesn't want anybody over 60. Maya is the only person who is under 60 of all women, so they didn't do so. A lot of people are speculating that she might go all the way or maybe she won't for that reason. I don't know.

[Brandy Howard]

Does she have a children?

[Heather McDonald]

She is divorced with three adult kids that are all winners. And she is a consultant for like D1 athletes getting into schools. She helps.

[Brandy Howard]

Oh, so they have that in common.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. So they have the football and she lives close in that. She lives in Malibu. And he's like, in the OC or something. So she. All those things had it going for her.

[Brandy Howard]

Can you tell us anything about the casting process? Like, did they just approach her? Did she read a listing?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean. Well, I got. I think I. I'm gonna try to get her on the show. And so I don't wanna do any type of spoilers.

[Brandy Howard]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm just curious. I don't even know. So I don't know if I can share how it came about. You know, I think there's several ways it comes about. I think sometimes someone recommends you. I think sometimes maybe a casting director knows you from something else. Maybe you're in someone else's Instagram and they're like, this girl looks cool. Other people applied, you know, for the first batch Bachelor, and they held them for this one, and they. And they've been in the process for a long time. I think it's a lot. You said maybe they were. Yeah, like I said, up for the other one. And then they were like, actually, you know, we're probably going to go a different route for the next one. We'd, like, save you. It's. It's things like that. But I'm. But it makes it. I mean, it makes it exciting. So I'm excited to see what happens. So there you go. I'm surprised not more people are excited that I have an actual real friend on this thing, but.

[Julie Goldman]

Well, maybe we'll be interested in watching now. But, you know, we're definitely gonna watch.

[Brandy Howard]

The regular Bachelorette with some of the Mormon moms, right?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

So maybe we'll just do, like, our full season of Bachelors. We don't usually watch that shot.

[Heather McDonald]

I kind of let it fall, too, after I was. I facilitated a date, and it was during COVID so I remember I had to be, like, alone in a room for five days. Oh, I kind of loved. Wasn't a very nice place. We were supposed to go to a beautiful place in Canada, and then because of COVID we had to go to this New Mexico place. And finally, like, on day four, they were like, okay, you can, like, walk around by yourself. And even, like, the grounds were, like, just, like, burnt, like, like gray. I just. It was nothing, like, pretty or anything. And then it was for the Bachelorette, Katie. And then I got to, you know, meet all the guys. And they were a mix of dudes that I would never be attracted to if I was that age. So I was kind of like. It was when they were going through a phase of finding Weird people. I don't know. Now I feel like they're back to like universally.

[Brandy Howard]

People like, it's not.

[Heather McDonald]

These women look amazing. And what's different is they all like love each other because they're older. So there's not the same. It's a completely different thing than when you have 25, you know, 26 year old women who are hoping to win and make this their career. None of these women are coming in really thinking like I'm going to be an influencer and like, and be had, you know, have a career. They're just like, how fun is this? Like what a weird thing that we're doing. And they're, and they're all bonding. Same with the men on the golden Bachelorette. They're like just having fun. They're, they're mature. They're like, I'm not gonna gouge someone's eyes out or yeah, try to ruin it because what's the chances of this even working out? But if it does, hey, what a fun experience.

[Brandy Howard]

And maybe they'll get the gout centric brand deal or whatever.

[Julie Goldman]

Or they'll get gout dick.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah, they'll get the gout dicks.

[Julie Goldman]

I mean we are that gout dick, you know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

A little update on this crazy murder of this young girl that I've been following about this. This rapper named David, who's young girl that appears that they had a romantic relationship even though he was well over 18, he's like 20, she's only 15 and started when she was 13. TMZ is reporting that a girl in the balcony behind his stage as. And this was in August of this year, looks to be her. And then her body was found in his Tesla. So if this is in fact her, then they would have a better idea of the timeline of when she passed. Which is the big question I think of why they're not arresting him is like maybe he was away for a month or something like where they don't think he could have done it. And then the house that he was renting in the Hollywood Hills, they have surveillance cameras all around it so that we're going to be able to see the comings and goings. And they also have a search warrant for the house, but he's still not been arrested.

[Brandy Howard]

Can't you search the cameras in the Tesla? I don't know if you've addressed.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm sure, yes, they have that too. So, you know, opening up a, I'm assuming like you know, opening up the front trunk of where this body was found. Would that just be only cameras, like on your legs, like if you're open. Would we be able to see someone's face? But they would know that. That timeline? I would think.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think that goes away when you're not, you know, starting when the car's not running or whatever. It's crazy, though. Like, I mean, he did a video about falling in love and ending called Romantic Homicide. He literally has her name in songs.

[Brandy Howard]

And they have the same tattoo. Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. Someone told me because I said, now who did the tattoo? He. Now people have like tattoo parties where a tattoo artist will just come still, someone had to do that. And so someone was in my comments, I think someone defending him, saying lots of people could have had that tattoo, like, or they could copy his.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Or copied his. Or had it at a party. And 10 people got at a party. And it doesn't mean they were romantically linked. She was considered a quote unquote runaway. Where then she came back and then she'd leave again. People also think maybe the parents did know she was with him and maybe he was. The parents were in a bad financial state. Maybe he was supplementing their lifestyle to be like, I'm in love with your daughter and I just want her to live with me. I don't know. There's. It's. It's very strange and I just wanted to give the updates since I've been covering it.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm sure some random person just like killed her and put somehow found their way to the trunk of his car. I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure with an underage girl, a sexual relationship, which is totally fine, apparently, then her body is found in his car. I mean, it could be.

[Heather McDonald]

Sure.

[Julie Goldman]

It's just random.

[Heather McDonald]

The only bad luck.

[Julie Goldman]

It's bad luck. It's totally bad luck.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, besides, obviously you're joking, but the only thing, the only defense I could think of where it's not him is if there's somebody where he was gone for like three weeks. Whatever. Gone. And they can say he was absolutely gone. Like in Europe when this girl must have been killed. But I think that's always iffy, you know, when there's that much time of like trying to do an autopsy, though obviously not an autopsy person. And if he. It's somehow they're pinning it on somebody else. Like in his entourage.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. Who then threw her in the trunk and then left. And he had no idea.

[Heather McDonald]

If they think that he didn't actually do it. Then they probably are going to try to get that guy to crack and say, the artist David told me to do it. You know what I mean?

[Brandy Howard]

Because I know if I. If I did kill someone, put them in the front truck of my Tesla, I wouldn't drive it around. I'd probably take my other car.

[Heather McDonald]

They. And that's where it was. It was left somewhere, but it was.

[Brandy Howard]

That got. Didn't get towed off of his property.

[Heather McDonald]

It was like, yeah, it was like.

[Julie Goldman]

He'S driving it around wherever it was.

[Heather McDonald]

And then I think. I can't remember which happened first, but there was either a stench and then it was towed. And the. Towed. The towing company smelled the stench and said, come cops. Or they. Someone said, this has been left. The tow company got the car and then smelled it. I don't know which happened, but it involved that it was abandoned, sent to a tow place, and then. And then called the cops to say, I think something's in this car.

[Julie Goldman]

How long does it take for a Tesla owner, Drake, does it take for a Tesla owner to really get comfortable with the trunk being in the front? Did you just get into that, or did that feel weird for a second?

[Heather McDonald]

No, I would say it feels normal.

[Julie Goldman]

Wow. Isn't that weird that your trunk is in the front?

[Heather McDonald]

I have that.

[Brandy Howard]

Is it normal?

[Heather McDonald]

It's a front frunk.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, it's a frunk.

[Heather McDonald]

It's a frunk.

[Julie Goldman]

And did you.

[Heather McDonald]

A front trunk.

[Julie Goldman]

Do you get. I mean, I do feel like I have that physically on my body, but did you feel like you have, like, just a big fat front, but did you. Does it get weird? Like, did you just get right into it? I feel like it'd be weird.

[Heather McDonald]

It is weird. And then just like anything. You get used to it, you know, just like. Yeah, like. Like, remember when you're like, how could somebody get used to not having a key go into an ignition? You know what I mean? Like, then you get used to that. The next thing is used to the next. They're Texas.

[Brandy Howard]

Because they have a trunk, too. They have a trunk and a trunk, right?

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, they do, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, the tr. It's like a hatch.

[Julie Goldman]

So the truck, because there's no engine at all.

[Heather McDonald]

It's open.

[Brandy Howard]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

It's open. Oh, okay.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So that's like an open thing and then like a little thing underneath and then the. Yeah. But, yeah, I'm sure there were people that were like, can you imagine getting in these things that drive around? I'll stick with my horse and carriage. You crazy. I don't Trust it.

[Julie Goldman]

That's true.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I mean? So. Absolutely. So everything is relative. Before we wrap up, I want to tell you guys, I'm going to the Magic Castle tonight.

[Julie Goldman]

I'm so jealous. I. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm.

[Heather McDonald]

You're. I'm going to make you even more jealous.

[Julie Goldman]

Okay. What are you doing?

[Heather McDonald]

Because it's the. The only way I'd really like to do the Magic Castle again is, you know, now that I live pretty far out, I don't really like traveling to like the city unless it's something good. And I literally just said this past weekend, the only way I want to do that is if someone gets a sprinter van or something. Sure enough, someone must have dropped out of this girl's dinner. I hear from a friend of mine, we are friendly, but being that it's late notice, I kind of feel like maybe I was the last minute. I don't care. She said we're going to the Magic Castle for my birthday. A sprinter van is meeting in the country club parking lot at 4:45. Wear black. That's the color theme, so we can look cute. Also, everyone looks great in black. And you know, we are going to the Magic Castle for dinner. So we get to drink in the sprinter van, providing the FBI doesn't show up. We get to drink in the sprinter van, then have our dinner and experience the Magic Castle, which has been. I only have two experience going to the Magic Castle. The most recent, the kids were little Peter Golf was some guy who was a magician. And we got to go to like the kid friendly brunch.

[Brandy Howard]

Not the magician, golfer.

[Heather McDonald]

Very fun. Very fun for the kids. The time before that was one of my two dates that I went on when I was a contestant on Studs.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, wow. Oh, wow, that's good. And did the date at the Magic Castle culminate in magic?

[Heather McDonald]

He was aspiring magician. He knew one of the magicians because you have to be invited, right? Because he was a worked at Universal Studios as the tram tour guide.

[Brandy Howard]

Was this when you wore the orange shorts?

[Heather McDonald]

I wore the orange short sleeve little suit. Next business suit with a skirt that I got at a store in the Beverly Hills Mall. That's what I wore on the taping of it. But when you went on the dates with these people, no cameras followed you. You just talked about it with producers after and then they asked questions about it on the taping of the show. So no.

[Brandy Howard]

I'm so surprised. All your years, born and raised, that you've only been to the Magic Castle twice. But I guess that's because it's like. It's like a Soho House for dorks, right?

[Heather McDonald]

You have to. You have to know a magician to be invited. It's like a really big deal. But I'm actually really excited because, you know, all these things, it's about having the group of people with you.

[Julie Goldman]

Of course.

[Heather McDonald]

I got invited a great juicy scooper. After our crazy night when we were on the boat and coming out here, I got a text from a very nice juicy scooper who said, I have two tickets, very good seats to Oasis at the Rose Bowl.

[Julie Goldman]

Oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

Now, with proper notice, Peter does like to go to concerts. That would have been good. And I was like, oh, my God. I just. I don't know if I have the energy to, like, do this tonight. And I literally said, now if someone would have called me and said, we have a sprinter van leaving Thousand Oaks. We have eight people, but one can't come. Would you like to join our group? And we have great seats. And then I'm like, yeah. I just kind of feel like when it's just, like, one or two people, I just don't feel the. The. The energy to want to go do it.

[Julie Goldman]

Yep.

[Brandy Howard]

Yeah. That's why we didn't end up going to Beyonce, because it was just us three.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Brandy Howard]

Heather, you bitch.

[Heather McDonald]

My kid. Three of us is enough. We bring the energy. It was very expensive, and it was a lot of. I just know. You know what? I just wasn't excited enough.

[Brandy Howard]

It's all coming down to the sprinter van we now see.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Brandy Howard]

So in the future, let's just organize the sprinter van. Let's organ the. The Hummer limo and just get together and.

[Julie Goldman]

And do it. And just do it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah. And the.

[Heather McDonald]

It's about the transportation. Yeah.

[Julie Goldman]

I really want you, though, to. I want you to at least see one magic show tonight.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, no, we definitely will. I'm sure we will. Yeah. I mean, and I do like magic because every time I see a magic show, I'm like, how do they do it? And that's why I loved the show Magic Revealed on Fox.

[Julie Goldman]

Love Magic Revealed.

[Heather McDonald]

I remember the guy had to wear a mask, and he, like. And all the magicians in Las Vegas, like, were one wondering who it was and, like, threatening his life.

[Julie Goldman]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

But you know what? It didn't ruin magic for anybody.

[Julie Goldman]

It doesn't. Because guess what? We already know it's not magic. So the fact that someone went in and then told us how to do didn't destroy the thought that we know that it's already not magic.

[Heather McDonald]

But the thing is, I watched it and I still then see these same. You still can't believe it. I still see these same tricks that I don't totally know. Like, I understand, like cutting the girl in half. There's like a little thing in the back, but it still looks so good.

[Julie Goldman]

And I still can't wrap my head around it. How does she fit in there? What if she's too fat? What if some of the fat spills out of her leg and then he cuts it? What if something happens? Why do they have to kill so many rabbits and pigeons? Maybe not do that trick anymore. Maybe.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I mean?

[Julie Goldman]

Like, there are other things where I.

[Brandy Howard]

Say to myself, yeah, when a bird flies out of the hat, it's just like, where the did that bird come from?

[Julie Goldman]

And we know that, and we know that 15 are already dead in your trunk, in your Tesla, in the frunk. So possibly I want to say to the magicians, stop using the animals because we know you're killing them. That is the truth. Secondly, here we go with Julie. The animals, they crush them and kill them.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, good night, Heather. On that great note, girls, they're in San Francisco. Where can they see your show?

[Julie Goldman]

Nightmare on Strip street at the Great Stage Star Theater. I believe it's start. I don't know the exact date it starts, but it runs through beginning of October through November 2nd. You can come see us there. You can come see our. Listen to our podcast, MG Podcast, which is free on all platforms. And check out our Patreon because we need money. And.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's fun.

[Julie Goldman]

And it's fun.

[Heather McDonald]

It's really fun.

[Brandy Howard]

It's our community.

[Julie Goldman]

It's our community and Peter's on it and Heather's on it. And we're just quipping. Are you quipping? Oh, we're quipping.

[Heather McDonald]

We are whipping. Which basically it's really a fun thing that they added Patreon, which is where you get then content all week long. Because it's like a fun way. It's like a fun like voting thing or ideas. It's sort of like Instagram.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

For. For the Patreon, which I like because I'm like, I'd rather just hear from you guys anyway. I don't need to post something and hear the meanness or the weirdos. You could still be mean about it on Patreon. But like, at least I feel like you're a real juicy scooper. So I love it.

[Julie Goldman]

Yeah, no, we do too and we definitely feel like there are a lot. There's so much more love and the community on Patreon is just different. It's awesome. If you're not on it, you got to get on it for ours or Heather's or whatever.

[Brandy Howard]

There's plenty of good. Yeah. Podcasts to do.

[Heather McDonald]

It is.

[Brandy Howard]

It's positive. It's good.

[Julie Goldman]

It's positive.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you. Bye Bye.

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