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Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
Britney Spears, OJ Confession and Child Actors with Eden Sher
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Heather McDonald
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Eden Sher
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Heather McDonald
Whoop whoop. Heather McDonald juicy scoop hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. All right, let's get into it. Lots of hot topics and updates and then a real fun interview. So people are concerned. TMZ is saying people are concerned. Of course Britney Spears doesn't have comments. She hasn't for a long time on her posts. But it was her birthday and she was talking and it was weird. Now it could be a joke. She's turning 42 and she says, I'm not 42, I'm actually five now and I'm going to kindergarten. And look at my friend gave me this cute little cupcake. And then she went on to say, I don't know why the paparazzi had me going on a plane holding a torch. I was not holding a torch. So then I'm like, what is this about? So I look and it shows her going on a plane and she has like a weird like bandana mask on her mouth. And then she's holding like a grill lighter, like how you'd hold like a lighter for like a fire pit or whatever. And she's going on a plane. And so people were like, usually those things aren't allowed on planes. So I don't know why she was holding it, but she was. And hopefully they didn't let her light it on it or whatever when she. If it's a private plane, they're probably like, hey, we need to take that from you. I don't know. She seems to be in Mexico and you know, she's continuing to spin around and dance. And here's the thing with what I've been saying for a while, so what, you know, this is her life, this is what she likes to do, this is how she likes to be creative. And whether she thinks she's five or not, she still doesn't need to be in any kind of conservativeship. Hopefully. I imagine somebody still helping to make sure her electric bill is paid and that she always has, you know, enough money to carry out her life and her house. But other than that, I think she has a right to live and you have a right to follow her or not. Peacock has a three part series documentary that I watched last night called Girls Gone the Untold Story. For some of you that are following me for a long time may know that I too did an interview with Joe Francis, who was the creator, owner, president of Girls Gone Wild. This was for a lot of people that are younger might go, what is the story? I'm not that interested. I don't know about it. I thought the documentary was really good. Having known him for many years, I have many thoughts about it. There was a lot of things that was left out that I find really interesting. And so I wanted to let you guys know if you're part of Patreon or part of the Apple subscription, that will be what my this Friday's episode is about. Because there's lots of juice in there that I'd like to share what happened after I did my interview and how it pertains to what's in the dock. So, you know, you might want to watch the doc before you listen. Or you can listen and then go watch the doc. It won't really matter. But I wanted to let you guys know that. So you go to heathermcdonald.net and you can join the Patreon or do the Apple subscription here and you'll get that episode. Very interesting thing. This is reported everywhere. TMZ is saying OJ Simpson's ex bodyguard claims to have a murder confession recording. So they, the cops have revealed police officers that they law enforcement in Bloomington, they have access, they have access to these thumb drives that they were it was part of another investigation where now this former bodyguard, I guess they either found it or he gave it to them. But allegedly on these thumbnails is OJ Confessing to the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. And also allegedly, there's a mention of some other person that was involved. Wow, this is really juicy. We, you know, most of us believe he was responsible. But just like the JonBenet situation, which we don't know at all for sure who did it, you always wonder, was there somebody else involved in this? You know, with O.J. when he wrote the book, if I did it, it was very strange and he made it and it was basically a friend was with me. A lot of people interpreted that as that was his second psychosis, like second personality that did it. Other people wondered was it was his older son ever involved. That was another conspiracy theory. So I don't know. But this is very interesting. I'm assuming whoever this bodyguard is has something to do with whatever other case. Maybe he would, maybe this is helping his situation. Be like, hey, I know you. You're looking at me for this one other crime, but will you take some peace? Because here are these tapes. The guy is dead now, but I'm telling you, I have this, these thumb drives I've saved all this time, I don't know. I'm very curious to see how this turns out. Also another case, the Menendez brothers. Our new DA has said that he's going to be looking at all the things that we've discussed of what might change. There was hope that there would be something that would happen. They'd be out for Christmas. Now he's saying by January 30th is when there'll be some type of a decision of resentencing, which could result in them being released, changing it to manslaughter, which means that the time would have been almost, you know, served since they've done 35 years or some type of, you know, retrial or whatever. But we won't know till January 30. But one thing that he said that was really great, our new da, is that he's like, look, this got a lot of media attention, and I think that's good. But I also want to say that I will be looking at similar type cases that need to be relooked at that didn't have this media attention. This is not going to jump to the front of the line just because you enjoyed a Netflix documentary or scripted show about it. But it was really good. He goes, but also that's good because take this time to, like, be interested in other cases that maybe don't have such high profile, that maybe need to be relooked at, re Examined, Innocence Project, that kind of stuff. So I thought that was really cool. Okay. This story is so sad and strange. This is a story of Hannah, who was the young woman who came from Hawaii to lax, and then she and her boyfriend were supposed to get on another plane and go to New York. They were no longer together. They were broken up, but somehow they're traveling together. He went on to New York, and she never got on the plane. He has cooperated with police. She sent strange texts from her phone saying, someone's trying to take my identity and this and that. But there was. She was caught on surveillance for several days after that, and then nothing passed November 11th. Well, then, unfortunately, the dad came from Hawaii looking for her, and he. They have declared that he ended his life. It sounded like he jumped from the parking structure in the lax. Allegedly. The thought is so distraught, where is my daughter? Is she being trafficked? Whatever. Now the police are saying they have surveillance of her and records of her entering Mexico on foot by herself, looking unharmed, undistressed. And so now it is changing to a voluntary missing person's case. There also has been reports that this is not the first time that she's done something like this. Very hard, very strange, awful for the family. You. You know, why she doesn't know that people are looking for her. Does she know this happened to her dad? But the point is, there's really nothing more that the police can do at this point. So. Wanted to give a follow up on that. Khloe Kardashian. Let me tell you something. She looks great. She's in this bustle cover shoot, but the ass is gone, you guys. The, the Kardashian ass era is behind us. No pun intended. And I could not be more thrilled. As you know, I don't have a great ass, but I don't have to look at it. So I was always like, when is this gonna go away? People would say, heather, why don't you get ass fillers? Why don't you get a bbl? I can't believe that you're making us suffer walking behind you. And, you know, now it's out of style. Okay? Literally, in this photo shoot, she's covering it. And even the little bit that we see is not huge. Kim's ass has gone down too. Anyway, in this article, she talks about, you know, weight and whatever, but I just thought that was interesting. One thing she said was she had a therapist that she shared something very intimate with when she was going through her struggles with her first husband, Lamar. Oh, I guess that's her only husband, Lamar. And something came out in the tabloids and she knew. There's no way. I literally told no one else in the world this information. I'm leaving therapy and I'm going to the gym. And that's how she got so fit. And she's like, I wish Ozempic was around back when I was struggling and I called myself the funny fat sister, but it wasn't. And I've just been on a workout journey for a long time. And she really has. She's been this size for like, at least, you know, around this size for at least 10 years. And she looks great. And so that was interesting. Speaking of people who look great, people were always obsessed with Donatelli, Donatella Versace's weird plastic surgery face. And you know, people will be like, oh my God, what did she do to herself? She looked like a Muppet. She like, very strange. Well, it's amazing what plastic surgery has emerged to. And this is the golden era of plastic surgery. My God, she looks so good. She got rid of that skin tight ponytail. She has like a normal facelift. She has eyebrows. She looks amazing. She looks so good. People, save your money because plastic surgery is only getting better. And if that's something that you want to do, it's your choice to do it. And, you know, the point is everyone needs to be happy because Matt Reif, you know, one of our top comedians, says, I never got plastic surgery. I was a late bloomer. I was a late bloomer because when people put his early photographs of him together to now, he didn't have this like chiseled jaw line, looking like a very good looking model face. Again, we're never going to know for sure and who cares? You know what? Either go and watch his stand up or not. Like, there you go. But he is saying, no, I did not have anything done. Meanwhile, Pamela Anderson is still on her journey of going to red carpets with her perfect body and no makeup and not even like a blow, not even like a blowout. Like, literally, she took a shower, let her hair dry naturally and just like put on her dress and went like, maybe she put on some body lotion. But maybe she didn't. I don't know. She still looks great. Well, when you're that perfect looking, good for her. But I'm kind of curious, will she keep this up forever or does she know this is just such a great kind of PR marketing. I love it. Again, I think you should be any size you want. You want to get plastic surgery, you want to, you know, wear a wig, you want to change your teeth, you want to not do any of that bullshit. You want to shave your head, whatever. Like, I think this is a great era of time. But, you know, she is like naturally has the most like perfect face. So she's still killing it, kind of jealous. This was kind of interesting. JFK grandson. Okay, so JFK, this is JFK Jr. S nephew. He did a little thirst trap and he's good looking. He's Caroline, his sister's son. And he did a thirst trap because he broke up with somebody. But in this photo he has the phone and it's kind of covering his face. And he has a good body. He's thin and he's worked out and he has this like beanie on. And with the phone in the selfie kind of covering his face, he really does look like JFK Jr back in the day when JFK Jr used to ride his bike around New York, the streets of New York, shirtless, with just a beret on. Now, you know, that's one of those weird things where it's like your memory. You know how people talk about how like, does the little guy in the Monopoly have a monocle or not? And everyone's like, no, he does. And then you really look at the Monopoly and he doesn't. I don't know if he was were just a lot of photos of JFK Jr. In a beret and a lot of him shirtless. So it doesn't really make sense that he'd have a beret, but maybe like a knit beanie, I don't know. But this was this is why they chose. I know whoever put this article together at People is probably from my era and like, remembers being like so hot for JFK Jr. And seeing the resemblance. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Some interesting things have come out. Jennifer Tilly, who is an actress, voiceover actress, everything is on the show. And she revealed that she is so freaking wealthy. This is the best story ever. Not only is she an actress, but we know actors don't make that much money. But she was married, married to the Simpson co creator Sam Simon. And they. She divorced him in 1991. But in the divorce, she got a portion a percentage of the Simpsons. Now in 1991 when they got divorced, who would have known the show was probably just a couple years out that it would be what it is still going on. And he did pass in 2015, but she is still making bank. Now that is the way you get divorced. Some of these housewives that I've talked about, oh, I'll take this. You know, settlement 1.4. Sometimes that's your only choice or whatever. Million. And people go, wow, that's a lot of money. Yeah. But then it ends. Then it stops. If there is some business, you know, you never know if you have. If there's some business that you were around for that either his. Your husband did, or maybe you were part of or whatever, that you can try to get a percentage of that, vice versa. Same with the man, your partner. You have got to be smart about that because, wow, what a genius move. And now she's on the Housewives. She's being funny. She's got nothing to lose. She's single. I assume she's single. She doesn't have to worry about ending a marriage or dragging some crotchety husband that doesn't want to be there. She has money, she can have fun. And she's probably like, fuck it. Yeah, I'll do this stupid reality show. What the fuck do I have to lose if you don't want me next year, if I don't want to do it next year, who cares? That is who we want. Genius. Also, this was interesting. This comes From Face Reality 16, an Instagram account that I really like. So Kyle and Dorit are having issues. And Kyle mentions, oh, yeah, pk, Dorit's estranged husband. They're separate now, and I still send funny memes and things to each other. And the question was, since we're keeping score, this seems worse than a Teddy thing. Okay, someone said this. Yeah. I truly believe that when a couple breaks up, especially any couple, any couple Heterosexual, gay, whoever you're the closest person to whoever your relationship is stronger with, but especially if it's heterosexual, I think you got it. You don't have to be rude, but you don't continue to correspond with the soon to be ex. You don't go, let's go have dinner with you and your new girlfriend. Why? What does it matter? No, you got to show some loyalty. And if maybe he was sending you funny things, I would even just stop, like, responding like, it's over. Like, you're. You and my friend are separated. Until you work out your shit, we're not going to talk. We're not going to correspond, you know? So again, team to read on all of this. This was really interesting. This is coming from also friend of the show. Your moms are watching. So this, this Instagram account. Kyle is reading this book. Kyle Richards is reading a book which is Moon Zappa's book about. It was her memoir. Moon Zappa was the original Valley Girl. She wrote the song and performed it at 13. She's a Valley Girl. Like, ooh, oh my God. And let me tell you, Valley Girl came out. My sister and I went to Hawaii for Christmas. The one and only time we went to Hawaii with my parents. And when we said we were from the Valley, it was like we were rock stars for the first time ever. Everybody was like, do you know Valley Girls? Do you go to the Galleria? Yeah, we do. Anyway, she sees that she's reading the book in one of the scenes. She looks up the book and sees that she believes that a character named Elle was actually Kyle Richards. Which makes sense because Moon Yun Zappa, who was a daughter of a rock star, was living among the Richards sisters and everything. So it totally makes sense. And she said, El looks just like a miniature Brooke Shields. And said she. And there's more descriptions in the book that makes pretty sure that the character of Elle in Moon Unit Zappa's book is Kyle Richards. And of course, she probably heard about it and was like, I have to read this. This is amazing. How fun would that be? It makes me really want to read it now. So I'm sure somebody get it to me or I'm going to ask her for it. Maybe she has it, but. And I could see that with the thick eyebrows and the dark hair. Okay, last one of the last things. The only fans top earner who is this cute Brunette Girl made $43 million last year and she's a virgin. And I don't know how risque her content is, but she Says I'm a virgin and I'm a Christian and you can do only fans and you can do it by yourself and you don't have to compromise your whatever. And I'm like, oh my God. As you guys know from my book, you'll never blue ball in this town again. My first book, I was a virgin until I was 27. And really, besides selling that book did not utilize this like if it was today. Oh my God. If that would like. I can see the appeal. Also really interesting. Also when you go and watch this Girl's Gone Wild, which was guys would come and go to spring breaks and they would go to these places that were kind of small town spring breaks, but they'd become huge. So these people felt like Hollywood was coming and then they'd have cute camera guys be like, just show us your tits. And they'd show them their tits and they'd get buzzed and then they'd be on these videotapes. They wouldn't make money from it. It's very interesting. So the fact that girls can make money and men make money in the privacy of their own homes. Be in charge of it. Do what they want. On Only fans. Take it down when they want. Stop it when they want is so great. And when you watch this, you'll be like, wow, what a different time. And it was only like 20 years ago, guys. 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Like you just put it and then there's like a lot of recipes where you're like oh, put this chunk of cheese in a pan and just throw some cherry tomatoes around, a little olive oil, a little salt and pepper and I don't know then just like throw some pasta in a later and there whatever. But I guess she said put this cheese on a turkey sandwich and watch our lives change. So that's part of the thing she said they had no idea about. They never heard of the cheese. They didn't know about the cheese. Without her they wouldn't know what to spread on this sandwich. I can't believe this is going to trial. But it is. And so that's kind of interesting. And then a lot of people are like what is Tom Sandoval going to do? Is he going to continue with his cover band What? Because he doesn't seem to that he filmed any of the Valley like some of the other cast. Well, he is going to do trivia Vanderpump trivia shows and I actually think that's a really great idea. A lot of people can answer a lot of the questions, you know, how much nostalgia will there be in the upcoming years? Will it live on? Or just let me just, you know, jump on this now while it's still hot before everyone forgets. So kind of interesting. All right, you guys, now for my interview. I'm really excited for you to hear it. Let's go. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have what I think is going to be a very juicy interview and a fun one because I loved watching you. This is the star best known from the hit sitcom the Middle. But you've done so much. Eden Cher, welcome to Juicy Scoop for the first time.
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Eden Sher
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
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Heather McDonald
Somehow I started following you. Must have seen something funny that you did and saw that you were doing a one woman show about your life. I was on a sitcom and so then we started to dm and I'm so glad that you that you came.
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Eden Sher
I'm so glad that you started following me because then I was like, wait a second, I know her. I know Heather McDonald. And then I started following you back.
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Heather McDonald
And then.
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Eden Sher
Yeah, you messaged me and I was like, I'll do your podcast. Yes, you're hilarious. Of course.
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Heather McDonald
So I want to get into a little bit about your life. For those of you that don't know the show the Middle, it was one of the funniest sitcoms. How many years did it go? Eight.
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Eden Sher
Nine.
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Heather McDonald
Nine years. And it was one of the shows that I did watch with my kids. We were just talking about our ages. You have identical twin girls who are three. And I was telling you how my kids are now 25, 22, and 18. But we loved the Middle because it was so clever. And I'm telling you, you guys should go back and watch it, especially if you have kids in that teenage age, because it just, it was such a clever show and it was so funny. The writing was so funny and it was a sitcom, but it was single camera, meaning you don't hear the laughter. It's Patricia Heaton, who is the wife and everyone loves Raven, but a very, like a very different character. Much funnier in this.
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Eden Sher
I mean, I think she's like, she's a comedy God. She can, you know, she can do no wrong. But I in rewatching it now because now I ever. I have a podcast. Yeah, I'm doing a rewatch podcast of the show. So you can watch along with. With me and Brock, who played Brad.
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Heather McDonald
But who was your boyfriend?
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Eden Sher
Yeah, my. My boyfriend. My gay boyfriend was the funny.
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Heather McDonald
You guys did things that nobody had done yet. That was so funny. So, I mean, your character was kind of. Can I say dorky?
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Eden Sher
Of course you can. Please do. Are you kidding?
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Heather McDonald
Dorky but so unaware that you're dorky, which I love. Like super positive teenage daughter who was the middle of the three older brother who's kind of like. I mean, we died because the older brother reminded us of my son Drake. And then you were just the girl that was just so. And then the little brother was. Typical third little brother where like constantly. I remember there was one scene where they're like at the airport and she's just. What was the little brother's name?
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Eden Sher
Brick.
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Heather McDonald
Brick. Where's Brooke? Like, constantly thinking like, Brooke is gonna be lost or die or whatever. And just so such distinct. I've never seen such funny, distinct characters for the kids I go for in any sitcom.
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Eden Sher
I was so prepared to become a prop because that's like in Raymond, the kids are sort of. They're there when they need to be there for a story. So I was like, if I stay on the show for longer than a season, what a gift. I thought I'd just become like, sort of part of the fabric of the, like, the house. But they really did. I was. I talk about it with Brock all the time, like how they really. And maybe they sort of lucked out in having like, you know, fully formed and like, comedic actors for all three kids. And so, yeah, we get to like, we got our own. We got storylines. We became like, part of the show. Not in that. Not in the, like, kid prop genre. You know what I mean?
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, I mean, I just. I loved the whole idea of the show was the middle. She's in the middle of the country, she's middle aged, you know, she's middle class. And like I said, it was just one of those shows, you know, where you just are like, wow, the writing's really great. It's lightning in a bottle when you have all the great actors. Who's the guy that played the dad?
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Eden Sher
Neil Flynn.
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Heather McDonald
Neil Flynn. And he was so great. And I saw a clip of you guys interviewing him and you were asking him all these pop culture things and seeing what he knew and what he didn't, and it was just so genuine. And just, like, raw funniness. So I love that. You do. You keep in touch with all the people.
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Eden Sher
Yeah, I'm still. I mean, my one woman show. Charlie. Charlie, who played Axl, he and his wife directed it.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, that's the older brother.
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Eden Sher
That's the older brother. He is still one of my best friends. Neil, like, he was just on the podcast. We are. We get.
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Heather McDonald
We.
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Eden Sher
We have a very identical. Relate. Like, we have a very similar relationship. Everything you see on screen is very similar to off screen. Patty still text. She still. She still checks up on me. We still. She. She's all over the place. She's never. She's never in la.
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Heather McDonald
She has a new show coming out, doesn't she?
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Eden Sher
Does she?
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Heather McDonald
I thought I read somewhere that she and Kelsey Grammer were doing something.
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Eden Sher
She did. She did a thing on Frasier.
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Heather McDonald
No, no. Coming out.
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Eden Sher
She can't stop. She cannot stop working. This woman won't stop. She is a workhorse. I didn't know this, and I'm not surprised.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Eden Sher
But no, I love Patty and I love Neil, and these are. Yeah, they're my friends.
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Heather McDonald
So let's get a little bit into and then we'll go talk more about the show. Cause I could go on forever. But for the people that don't know the show, I want this to be, you know, interesting. So you were born and raised in la. So was I.
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Eden Sher
You were?
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Heather McDonald
Yes.
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Eden Sher
Oh, where are you from?
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Heather McDonald
Woodland Hills.
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Eden Sher
Oh, my God. Valley Girls also.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah. Oh, my God.
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Eden Sher
I grew up in, like, Van Nuys, like Sherman Oaks, and then moved to Van Nuys.
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Heather McDonald
Yes.
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Eden Sher
Lake Balboa.
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Heather McDonald
So, you know, I talk a lot about my life, but, like, we got an agent because the. Because the people next door had. Their kids had an agent that's. And then they were like, oh, you should meet our agent, which was this woman named Iris Burton who's kind of famous. And there was a movie, and Sharon Stone played her in this, like. What was this movie? It was called, like, the. It was this crazy movie that came out maybe 10 years ago about, like, the worst movie ever called the Room. Oh, do you remember the Room?
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Eden Sher
Yeah, yeah.
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Heather McDonald
So Sharon. Sharon Stone played this, like, her name was Iris Burton. She played this agent who was a child's agent, but she had some involvement in this weird, like, movie that existed. And so. So she was just like this woman that was like, I need a set of twins. And I remember I did an impression of her because then she started to represent my niece and nephew many years later. And it was like, I Need a set of twins because they can work twice the amount of time and all this. So that was my situation. So how did you get into. And I was not ahead or anything. I was not. I didn't do anything.
- [34:18]
Eden Sher
Well, you're not. Are you a twin?
- [34:19]
Heather McDonald
No.
- [34:19]
Eden Sher
You're not twin.
- [34:20]
Heather McDonald
Oh, no. I had a sister. She. They did a little bit more commercials. My one sister did a lot of commercials. We were not that successful at it. I wasn't, but. And then I just, you know, then I pursued it as an adult, but I didn't have, like, a. Like, Once we aged out of, like, this little age gap where they said, oh, now you've lost your teeth. Goodbye. Like, she never called us again. And then my mom was doing real estate and whatever. We moved on.
- [34:45]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [34:46]
Heather McDonald
But you kind of have an interesting story of how you caught the bug in la. So tell me that.
- [34:50]
Eden Sher
Yeah, I mean, I. My parents were not in the industry at all. My. I mean, my mom was a. Yeah. Like. I mean, I feel like the Valley is also, like, a different place. The Valley is not like Hollywood. The Valley's super suburban. Like, I never felt like I was in la.
- [35:06]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [35:07]
Eden Sher
Except for the fact that I knew I was. I was like. I was really precocious as a kid.
- [35:12]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [35:12]
Eden Sher
Like, I, Like, I'm a smart person, but, like, I was a really smart kid, like, child. I was like, too. Like, everyone just caught up to me eventually.
- [35:21]
Heather McDonald
You're studious. You're very studious.
- [35:23]
Eden Sher
Everything I was like, I remember seeing my peers being like, you are idiots. Like, I don't understand how you're not understanding what I'm understanding. And I think when you're like, a little kid who understands the world, understands adults, and, like, can talk to adults, well, there's just like a different, like, a combination of understanding adults, like, being able to interact with adults, and also having just, like, too many feelings. Just huge, huge overpowering feelings. I feel like when you find theater or acting, when you find this concept of acting, it's like, eye open. It is world broadening. And I feel like I found this pretty young and so. And I watched, like, no Shade. Hillary Duff. What a lovely human. What a lovely human. And so fun and like, honestly, just a great, great talent. Actors, whatever. But I watched Lizzie McGuire and I was like, I could do that better. I was like, that's.
- [36:18]
Heather McDonald
That's so funny. There was some other actor that told me that. That it was something that they were. I can't remember who it was, but that is a common theme that I've read where children actors that are quite successful, it was the same thing that they were just home watching things and they're like, I could, you know, I could be that I could do that better. That is so interesting. Yeah. And well, I also think child actors, especially ones that are on sitcoms and stuff, they are highly intelligent because they have to be in a room with adults. They have to be able to read or memorize very quickly. So. And very, you know, and be able to focus and also I think. So the one, you know, two commercials I got. One of the commercials was, you know, Marine Land, whatever, which was like a poor man's SeaWorld. And it was, it's now where that Terranea is in Palos Verdes, that hotel. Anyway, so it was there and so we. I had to like be like, look. And it was Shamu or some whale or whatever had a baby. And I was, had to be like, look, there's the baby. And I'm so excited. My commercial's coming. I'm finally going to be like, we're watching TV all the time and then we see the news thing saying that like Shamu freaked out and like killed her baby.
- [37:35]
Eden Sher
Oh my God.
- [37:36]
Heather McDonald
So all my mom's like, well your commercial's not gonna be seen.
- [37:40]
Eden Sher
Oh my God.
- [37:40]
Heather McDonald
My other sister was doing something else with the dolphins. So she's like, will my commercial still be seen? And I was like, yes. And then we just watched my sister with the dolphins and I'm like, me hanging on to this like hot guy. I'm like, this guy's my dad. Because my dad was. My dad was 45 when he had me, so he already had gray hair, he was fit. But they gave me this 25 year old because I'm five and I'm like, I can't believe this guy's gonna be my dad. So anyway, I remember I had a, at one of these times or whatever, I had like a teacher for the day. It was a different commercial and I. And they were trying to teach me how to read time at school. Like a clock.
- [38:20]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [38:21]
Heather McDonald
And then I had a private tutor and in one moment of, of like being with a, with a one on one situation, she explained how to read a clock.
- [38:32]
Eden Sher
Uh huh.
- [38:33]
Heather McDonald
And I was like. And then later on in life I was like, oh my God, that's why Brooke Shields is going to Princeton. And that's why like these kids are so smart because they don't. They're not in regular school, quite honestly. And they were probably really smart to even get into acting as a kid.
- [38:48]
Eden Sher
I feel like it's more like that's like a chicken or the egg. Like, yeah, they were probably smart to begin with. And then having that one on one attention like, you know, fosters that intelligence. But I will say like I went to public school, I wasn't homeschooled and like, and I, I don't know, I was good at math and I could read a clock and whatever, I don't know. So like I feel like I could.
- [39:16]
Heather McDonald
Not read your clock.
- [39:18]
Eden Sher
I can now. Now I'm like, what is it? Just give it to me in the numbers. Just flash. I don't have the energy, I don't have the time. Yeah, you have to be, you have to have a certain, it's not, it's not even like, it's just a certain type of intelligence. I don't even know how to describe it because like there are smart kids that exist that are not actors and don't want to be actors. But there is, there's like something like you said, if you can memorize. It's also like, it's having this fire under you to like, maybe it's just the people pleasing part but like if you're good at something and then having the like key something in your brain to be like, ooh, someone just said good job for something that wasn't very hard for me. So I'm just going to keep doing that and I'm going to keep doing it and doing it and doing it. And also I was just like a vengeful little kid and so like I was made fun of then. I was, I was sure I was like, I'm going to be successful and everyone says I'm annoying, but I'm going to make a career out of being annoying. And I did.
- [40:12]
Heather McDonald
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- [44:30]
Eden Sher
I was 17. When I booked the middle, I. So I was, like, five or. I was actually a really shy kid. I was really shy, but it was mostly because I was scared of having, like, feelings. And then when I was like, I think five or six, I realized, oh, I like this. I want to. Like, I can do it better than Lizzie. Like, I can do it. And I told. I begged my mom. I was like, please, can I have an agent? Cause I knew. I was like, well, we're in Los Angeles. We're in Los Angeles, California. Like, we're in Hollywood. I can have an agent. We can do it. We're in the. Look, mom, we're in the right spot at the right time. Like, yeah, a little dumb, but she was a good mom. And so she was like, no. She was like, not now.
- [45:07]
Heather McDonald
Are you an only child?
- [45:08]
Eden Sher
No, I have two brothers.
- [45:09]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [45:09]
Eden Sher
And we actually. All. My older brother and I both wanted. Both wanted to do it. And she made us both do theater. Like, school theater. And so we did theater in school. And then. And I've told this story before, but it is how I got started, and it's kind of nuts. So when I was, like, eight or nine, third or fourth grade. I think it was fourth grade, Jay Leno came to my school, did this, like, segment. Did this, like, jaywalking segment. It was like, kids say the darndest things type of thing where it was Halloween, and he was just asking kids about Halloween, just like, they. He was. It wasn't even funny, like, or. Like, there was no comedy jokes. He was just asking straight up. And kids are very funny. And so, like, my teacher, the. The producer of the segment Told all the teachers for, I think grades three, four and five. The ones. She was like, send your kids who are going to be comfortable on camera.
- [45:57]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [45:57]
Eden Sher
So they were like her, Eden, just go, little ham. Like, go do what you want to do. And I did. And I was, me. And I was funny unintentionally. Like, I was just funny because I was, you know, whatever, smart, annoying. Like annoying to other kids, but funny to adults. And I. They aired my segment, they aired my answers and then my. Then the producer of the segment reached out to my mom personally. I was. They like singled me out. They were like, that girl. And they were like, is your daughter an actor? Would she be interested in having her own segment on the Tonight Show? My mom was like, oh, boy. I was like, I told you I musta. Yeah. And so I. So my brother also did. I should add, my brother did it with me. It was like an advice column thing. It was like, just like, how many.
- [46:55]
Heather McDonald
Times did you guys do it?
- [46:56]
Eden Sher
Okay, so we did it twice. But here's the thing, like you said, how Shamu killed her baby. I did it. We did. We recorded two segments and then it was nine, 11. And they just cut everything. They were like, nope, we can't move on. We can't move on as a country. Like, we don't know what to do. So we're not really. We don't really have the bandwidth to even focus on.
- [47:24]
Heather McDonald
Okay, so then that was short lived. Yes, that was short lived.
- [47:30]
Eden Sher
But it launched my confidence. I was like, mom, I need an agent now. Like, do you see? Like I told you, I can do this. And so then I think, if I remember correctly, the cantor at my temple. Are you Jewish? No, McDonald. Yeah. So at our temple, the Canter, this is so la. The cantor's daughter did a voice on. Do you remember the show Rocket Power? Yeah, yeah, Did a voice on Rocket Power. And so we went to her and we were like, who's your agent? And they got us our. Me and my brother, our first agents as kids.
- [48:07]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, that's the same thing, like with us, with the agents, with the people next door, whatever. And another story with the agent thing is they were inter. She was interviewing a lot of people. We had to go to her house in like Hollywood or whatever. And when we got there, she was seeing some other kids and she was like, it's not going to work out for you. They don't. She said it right to the mother. They don't have the look I'm looking for. Don't, you know, have her Stay in school, do something. And then she, and then she says and leave the light on for the McDonald's. Like we like witnessed her be that rude to like a mother and some other kids. And then my mom's like, okay, I guess our three girls were like, you know, a little more happening to her eyes. But yes, I have so many questions. But before I forget, what did you. Are you familiar with the book I'm Glad My Mom Died?
- [49:01]
Eden Sher
Yes, I am.
- [49:02]
Heather McDonald
And what. I mean obviously you didn't have that situation with your mom.
- [49:06]
Eden Sher
Yes.
- [49:07]
Heather McDonald
And between that, just since we're talking about like child actors between that and all like the Nickelodeon stuff and you know, Amanda Bynes and things like that. Like as someone that did it successfully is happy you have a relationship with your mother. Nothing bad happened to you, I assume.
- [49:27]
Eden Sher
No.
- [49:27]
Heather McDonald
Like what, how. What is your feelings of that and did you ever see anything weird or hear anything from other actors at the time?
- [49:35]
Eden Sher
For sure. For sure. I have a good friend who I'm not gonna. It's his story to tell so I'm not gonna like say his name. But he. I've been friends with him for a while and he had a lot of, A lot of negative. The parent child relationship got super fucked up. The like agent child relationship was bad and like through his adult years a little bit like it followed because it just, it you create.
- [49:59]
Heather McDonald
Was it a sexual thing or just him being adultified too much and having to support the family and more that.
- [50:06]
Eden Sher
More that I think they're was. There was a minor not explicit sexual element but just not good. And I, I was talking to my mom recently because she was watching the documentary whatever that I couldn't watch. I couldn't. I just having, having lived and I like you said, I have no trauma in that way, in that specific way. I think inherently growing up being a child in an adult environment is just, is just inherently a little traumatizing. Like it's just not, it's not natural. And so I have, you know, complexes and stuff. But nothing, nothing like that. I was not, I didn't. I never felt exploited in the way that I think a lot of child actors were just were period. And I think that is my mom, I think my mom was super, super protective. Was really protective of me. She also, I mean and it's funny because she worked like and she, she never like she never touched a dime. She never touched a single.
- [51:03]
Heather McDonald
She didn't take the, even the 15 minute management 15.
- [51:06]
Eden Sher
She didn't even take money for gas.
- [51:08]
Heather McDonald
Oh.
- [51:08]
Eden Sher
And we spent Hours in the car, just like, going over the hill, like Third and La Brea. We constantly. Just like valley, cold water canyon every single day, doing my homework in the car. And she never, ever took. She never took any money. It was always like, that's our. That's. She was like, you're. If you're going to do the work, like, it's your money. Yeah. That's your. And. And it is like, it's emotional labor on. She saw it. I don't know. She just was. She was really great. And. But she worked so she wasn't even always on set with me. She had to pay for, like, a legal guardian to be there. But she was just. She was like the least involved in. And most involved. She. She stayed back when she knew she should. She didn't like, medal, but she also. I don't know if she was with me on the set of Zoe 101. I did an episode of Zoe 101 and that was weird.
- [51:58]
Heather McDonald
What was weird about that?
- [52:00]
Eden Sher
It was just. You just felt. You just felt the.
- [52:04]
Heather McDonald
And this was with Jamie Lynn Spears.
- [52:07]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [52:07]
Heather McDonald
And she is going to, like, a Pepperdine or whatever. High school.
- [52:11]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [52:12]
Heather McDonald
And it shot at Pepperdine. Yeah. It was a Dan Schneider show, just not this. Before she came out pregnant.
- [52:19]
Eden Sher
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was like season one or something. I had one line that actually got cut, so I looked like an extra in the show. But I just remember the dynamics were. I don't know how to explain it other than he felt creepy. He was. He seemed creepy and everything. No, there was just. No. There was no joy anywhere. And like, being this. I was like 12, I think, and being this, like, Joy, like, I'm going to be on a Nickelodeon show was just like, none of that was there. Everything was very tense and I think.
- [52:52]
Heather McDonald
The energy was just off. It was just an offset. Yeah.
- [52:55]
Eden Sher
And then seeing hearing people come out, being like, it was more than off. Like, it was. It was. It was abusive. It was like an abuse. It's like, oh, yeah, of course it was. And I think my mom saw that and did not push. Like, she wasn't like, trying to schmooze with anyone on set. She was, like, very concerned about. I, like, I don't want my daughter to be here for as, like, for more time than she has to be.
- [53:19]
Heather McDonald
Let's just do the one and done.
- [53:20]
Eden Sher
Let's get your one line. That's going to get cut and get out.
- [53:22]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [53:23]
Eden Sher
And then she really put it in my. She put the ball in my court. Like, she Was like, I'm just going to be here for you if you want to keep doing this. It's so much rejection. Are you cool with this much rejection all the time? And there was something wrong with my brain growing up that I was just like, I didn't care. I didn't see it. I didn't. My little brother tried, and he did one audition, didn't get it, and was like, I'm out. Oh, that was horrible. That was horrible. This is rejection. I can't. And so by the time I got my. I was like, I didn't work. That's the thing. I didn't work that much. On paper, it looks like I worked quite a bit. But, like, you know, I did a few commercials. It was great. I did that one episode of Zoe 101. I did, like, an episode of the O.C. i did. And I did, like. I did. I did do a show for abc. I did another series that went.
- [54:14]
Heather McDonald
Was that the Brothers and Sisters?
- [54:15]
Eden Sher
Yeah, Sons and Daughters.
- [54:16]
Heather McDonald
Oh, Sons and Daughters.
- [54:16]
Eden Sher
Brothers and Sisters. Very close. And Brothers and Sisters was another show on ABC that actually was successful. Not like Sons and daughters, that went 11 episodes.
- [54:26]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [54:27]
Eden Sher
It was a comedy, and I did that. But then, like, through high school, I didn't really work that much. And then I got my driver's license, and my mom was like, now you're driving yourself to third and LeBron, thank God. And it was.
- [54:40]
Heather McDonald
You know, I interviewed Corey Feldman years ago, like, it might have been 2017 or 18. And someone just wrote me, like, you should just interview me. He wrote such a compelling book and everything. And so I had him come on and came on with his wife at the time, who's. Now they're divorcing, and it's ugly. And I was just asking about, you know, being child actor. And this is before, like, all this stuff with Diddy and everything had come out, and he was just like, heather, you know, and he has. He's, you know, it's a weird interview, but he was just like, heather, you know, nobody. No child should be a child actor. No child should be a child actor. And I kind of was like, listen, I'm not. I believed everything he said. Obviously, I knew he'd seen some shit, you know, and at this point, Corey Haim had already passed and everything, and. But I was like, yeah, but we can't tell stories. We can't tell all the stories we want to tell without kids. Now. They don't have to be Shirley Temple, you know, and have. When you look into her life, you Know, she has some stories that are crazy and she turned out okay. But like, but like we still. There still should be a way that a really smart, talented. I mean, there still are the Ron Howard's, there still are the Edens, There still are, you know, there still are people that were able to do it and stay in it or do it and move on and still have a great life or whatever. So I think it is challenging for parents. And all I can say is having all these stories come out. If you are lucky enough to have such a talented kid that wants to do it, that you set it up, that either you're on, that you are probably going to have to be on set, you know, and work it out and merely make sure. But I also feel like nowadays, kind of like the way I think Catholic school is probably a lot safer now than it was because there's so many rules because of what happened. Like, even when I was a teacher, a parent there, we had just a volunteer in the class. They do full background checks. You have to do this whole thing. No one's ever left alone with a child that isn't theirs.
- [56:52]
Eden Sher
Like all this stuff.
- [56:54]
Heather McDonald
So I feel like an actual studio set today is probably way safer than someone just doing content at someone's house on YouTube whose mom is running a family vlog. Like that's where it can get fucked up.
- [57:07]
Eden Sher
Totally.
- [57:08]
Heather McDonald
This is at least because of the exposure that we know was fucked up before.
- [57:13]
Eden Sher
Yeah, I mean, good that you're saying that. I haven't been a child on a set in a while. And so all I can say is like, how to make it like. Yes, you're right. Stories need to. Can be told with child or they should be told with children. But my thing would just be like, have so many protections in place, like way more and even like offset. I feel like coaching.
- [57:34]
Heather McDonald
Yes, well, we saw that too with the. In the. You didn't see it, but in the Nickelodeon thing, the real perpetrator was this acting coach.
- [57:45]
Eden Sher
Yes.
- [57:45]
Heather McDonald
That went away and then was rehired.
- [57:48]
Eden Sher
All of it. It's just if you're. So if there are more protections in place, if like it is better now, then totally good. But I just. It's like every single aspect of it needs to be monitored in the same way that like we monitor children, we make sure it's like illegal to not have a child in school. It should be like illegal to not have someone monitoring a third party, someone monitoring this like child. Like there are people aren't legal adults for a reason. Like you have to have. You have to be monitored. You have to. Children have to be watched and cared for.
- [58:26]
Heather McDonald
I also think, well, first of all, you got the part when you were 17, so you're almost an adult. But also, you know, you were a character, funny actor. You weren't sexualized. You weren't wearing a wig and lashes like these Disney shows at 12 and talking about, well, my boyfriend cheated on me. That's when we used to watch those Nickelodeon shows. I'd hear it in the background and I'd be like, what the fuck is this? What? What? Like, icarly. I'm like, what are you talking about? Oh, we have a web series. They literally were living a life of 25 year olds. And I'm like, what I know is going on. And so this was, you know, very real. But do you feel like that was an advantage too? Probably that your part was not someone that was, you know, overly sexualized or gorgeous or cheerleader or whatever?
- [59:12]
Eden Sher
Huge advantage. I was never. That's the thing. I was. I was never sexualized as a child. I think because I was so goofy. I was not, like, cute. I was not. And that's where I get like, I was not a pretty child. I was not. I'm fine. And I'm fine saying that. I think I'm adorable now. I think I'm really. I think I'm cute. I think I'm beautiful. But I was not. I was not an attractive child. I think that's a weird phrase. Honestly, I think that's gross. Someone, my grandma. I just have to. Dearly departed, like, lover. But we were going through. When this is a. I swear to God, this comes back. When I was pregnant, we were going through baby clothes with my mom. Just got like a bunch of hand me down baby clothes. We were going through them and we saw this one little dress. And my grandma goes, ooh, that's sexy. And I was like, no, it's not. No, it's not. It's for an infant. And she was like, no, no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, you know, like, it's sexy. Like it's adorable. And I was like, no, those are different words, different words. And the first one should never ever be used to describe baby clothes ever. And I think it was just a different time. Like. But it really put it in my brain, like, oh, my God. Some people use these words to describe children. Like, that's not. So this is all to say that I was never. I was not. Thank God. I was not a sexy child. And no one thought of me that way. And so I. And I really was funny. And so I, like, took, you know, acting classes. And then I did this show, this other show for abc, Sons and Daughters, which was improvised. And so I feel like I learned the concept of improv, and I, like, really, really focused. It sounds cheesy. Like, I focused on the craft of it all. Like, I focused more on that. And so, yeah, I did. I lucked out with this role that was truly just about the comedy of it. That wasn't about. That was not. I think it's a. I think I never. I went out for the cute. You know, even, like, the high school, the cute girl roles. I never booked them. I simply was not cute enough. And so, like, now I can. Now I can play them because I know how to. I don't know, do both. I don't know. Yeah, but do both be funny and also be cute. But, yeah, no, I definitely did. I lucked out.
- [61:31]
Heather McDonald
And so when you went out for it, did you. Did they. Were they already familiar? Did you go through all the steps with the callback and everything, or was it, like, offered to you?
- [61:39]
Eden Sher
No, it was not offered to me at all. Basically.
- [61:42]
Heather McDonald
I love horrible audition stories, so please tell.
- [61:45]
Eden Sher
I went in and I read seven plus times. They filmed an original pilot. I read for it, a pre read. Didn't even get a call back. Didn't even ask to read twice in the room. I go back for the screen test. There are two other girls in the room. And the other girls were genuinely 12. They were like, did you. Where's your mom? And I was like, at work. They're like, how did you get here? I was like, I drove.
- [62:12]
Heather McDonald
So when you were starting it, they made you 12?
- [62:14]
Eden Sher
They made me 12.
- [62:15]
Heather McDonald
Oh, wow.
- [62:17]
Eden Sher
And I had two screen tests. I went in the first time, there were two other girls. I went in the second time, there was one other girl. I swear I had. I spent three minutes in the room with everyone. Everyone else spent like 25 minutes. I got three minutes. Then they were like, you booked it? And I was like, I don't believe in it.
- [62:31]
Heather McDonald
When you did the pilot, was it immediately greenlit or you had to wait?
- [62:35]
Eden Sher
No, we had to wait.
- [62:36]
Heather McDonald
And did you think, like, when did you realize this is a hit and this is gonna continue every year, or did every year you worried about the pickup?
- [62:44]
Eden Sher
Every year? I think I worried about the pickup. Oh, I think maybe after. I think after season four, we were like, okay, now we kind of expect it.
- [62:52]
Heather McDonald
So you had this boyfriend in the Show.
- [62:55]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [62:55]
Heather McDonald
That was hilarious because he was clearly gay. Either he didn't know it or he's denying it. But you guys had this great best friend chemistry. But you're like, he's my boyfriend.
- [63:04]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [63:04]
Heather McDonald
And again, 10 years ago, that was like, a very original, funny concept joke that was so funny and fresh to, like, watch as an audience member.
- [63:15]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [63:15]
Heather McDonald
And so the two of you set out today. They were gonna give you a spin off.
- [63:20]
Eden Sher
Oh, yes.
- [63:21]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. So what happened with that?
- [63:23]
Eden Sher
It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate timing, everything. It's one of my great. I don't say regrets, but, like, I think that was a missed opportunity for abc. It was just really poor timing. We had. We shot a pilot in November. No, we didn't. I'm lying. It was October. And. And I know that because we waited. We were like, let's just get the pickup. We shot a pilot in October. It was good. It was really good. It was like a actually good pilot. Not all of them are. And I've seen it recently. And I was like, okay, this is flawed. I see. I see. Like, this is definitely not perfect, but it is solid. It was just like a good show. And started October, ABC had a complete regime change. The president of ABC at the time became not the president of abc. And, like, all of the executives, like, no one was there at ABC to make a decision. It was not the real pilot season. So they weren't all on board looking at pilots. It was the end of the year. I think everyone was super tired. And then no one was there. Just literally no one was at ABC to make a decision. And we found out, I think the day before, two days before Thanksgiving, we were supposed to find out, like, and.
- [64:35]
Heather McDonald
What year was this?
- [64:39]
Eden Sher
2019. In 2018. 2018 or 2019.
- [64:41]
Heather McDonald
I think what's kind of great about now is that, like, you know, if you had a pilot at a network and they didn't pick it, it lived at the network, it died at the network. That was the end.
- [64:53]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [64:53]
Heather McDonald
But I feel like in the last few years, they're like, hey, we don't want it. But you know what? Let's toss it to the streamer over here, or we'll give you a chance to sell it over there. And that's the kind of. That's what's so much better about today, I think, is that these things don't have to totally die just because, you.
- [65:09]
Eden Sher
Know, I think if it was made last year, I think it would have gone to Netflix, I really think. Or it would have gone to. It would have gone to freeform at least I'm surprised it didn't go to freeform in general like then. But I still think there might be life for it. That sounds crazy. Like just in the last year, like spending this much time with Brock, we were like, God, we wish. I think it still could live there because the spin off took place years in the future. It took like a few years in the future.
- [65:38]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [65:38]
Eden Sher
And I think the main. The whole story was like.
- [65:41]
Heather McDonald
Was a story that you guys are like married but he's gay and you still don't know what is it?
- [65:44]
Eden Sher
No, no, no, no. He. Cuz he came out in the show.
- [65:46]
Heather McDonald
Oh, he comes out in the show in the middle.
- [65:49]
Eden Sher
Like he came out in like season eight or something.
- [65:51]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [65:52]
Eden Sher
They finally. And honestly, it didn't change the dynamic at all. It didn't change. It did not change the dynamic. I'm getting too excited. I'm talking too fast. Yeah, it.
- [66:00]
C
No.
- [66:00]
Eden Sher
So yeah, he was like, I think it's about sue and Brad. It's about Sue. But like sue and Brad in Chicago, it'd be like them in their 20s.
- [66:08]
Heather McDonald
Got it.
- [66:09]
Eden Sher
That's a fun concept. That would be fun, I think.
- [66:12]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [66:13]
Eden Sher
But no, it definitely would have gone to a streamer if it was made, I think.
- [66:16]
Heather McDonald
Right?
- [66:17]
Eden Sher
No, but yeah, the decision fell to literally Bob Iger and was that.
- [66:22]
Heather McDonald
And so now when you've steadily worked for that many years and you think you're going to have this other leg of your life and it's. No. Was that a hard adjustment to then go back to being just like the working actor trying to get the next gig?
- [66:37]
Eden Sher
Yeah, it was actually. It was. And I was super prepared for that part of my life. I didn't even want to do the spin off originally. I didn't even want to. They had to. They like convinced me to do it and I was like, okay, it has to be this, this and this though. I have to have these certain like, you know, like authorities. Like I have to, I have to make this is what the thing. I have to have some say over this. So I had some say over it and then it became a really good thing and then I got super excited about it. And like you said, I was like, oh, and I'm prepared. Like everyone was like, it's a formality. It's definitely gonna go to series. So I was prepared for this part of my life and I didn't allow myself to mentally prepare the way that I had been to be. To not have a job.
- [67:21]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [67:22]
Eden Sher
And so I, I was I would have had months to be like this, to plan, to, like, just to feel. Just to, like, feel all my feelings about grieving this. Like. Like, yeah, I wasn't a child. But, like, that's actually what my. What Open show really deals with is, like, growing up. Being 17 to 26 are, like, hugely formative years. And so, like, I feel like I did grow up. I really did grow up on the show. And the point of all this is that I. I wasn't. I was not prepared. I was devastated that this thing that was supposed to happen, like, didn't happen. And then I just felt so. I was totally at sea. I didn't know what to do. I didn't know. Like, I was like, okay, I would have been putting wheels in motion for other things, but this. So, no, I was lost.
- [68:04]
Heather McDonald
And so, you know, you were on a hit sitcom. Were you good about your money during those years?
- [68:10]
Eden Sher
Yeah, yeah, I was pretty good about. Pretty good about. Yeah, I was definitely good about my money. It's still not. I will say, like, I will never. I will never, ever, ever complain about money, ever. But I do think people think that maybe because of the Friends era, I think people think that TV people have more money than they have.
- [68:34]
Heather McDonald
Like, you're set for life.
- [68:35]
Eden Sher
Yeah. Like, people think, like, my grandchildren are set, and that's not the case. That's just. It's just like, if you have to be smart about your money, but even still, if you don't work for a while, like, that's. You're gonna run out of money. Like, you're gonna. You don't have money. You don't have infinity money.
- [68:54]
Heather McDonald
Right.
- [68:54]
Eden Sher
Like, so I feel really super blessed that I. That we don't have to, like, scramble. Like, me and my husband aren't like.
- [69:02]
Heather McDonald
How did you meet your husband?
- [69:04]
Eden Sher
Boring. Just, like, they're friends. Oh, I don't know. It's kind of interesting just in that we were, like, friends for years beforehand, and he was just like, this serial dater. Like, he always had a girlfriend. And I was like, oh, okay, never mind. Like cronies. A fantasy. Like cronies. He's always has a girlfriend. And then I saw him on Tinder one day.
- [69:23]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [69:24]
Eden Sher
And I got so scared. I was just like, ah, what's. Connie, why is he on? Ah, Swipe left. Swiped left.
- [69:30]
Heather McDonald
I want to step back a minute.
- [69:31]
Eden Sher
Yes, Sorry.
- [69:32]
Heather McDonald
What was it like being going on dating sites? And would people recognize you right away? Or they wouldn't know or was that awkward to then be out at a Restaurant. And somebody's like, love you. And the guy being like, what's that about? Like, how did you let people know that you were on a hit sitcom?
- [69:49]
Eden Sher
Okay, well, it's a little bit tricky because back in the day on Tinder, you had to have a Facebook. You had a Facebook to, like, have an account. Cause I think they just wanted to verify that you're a real person. And I did not have a Facebook because I. Like, I had professional Facebook, but I didn't have one because I was like, I. Yeah, I just don't have Facebook. I can't do that. And so I had to use my friend's account. She let me. She did this thing where she let me change all of her profile pictures to me for just a period of time.
- [70:21]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [70:22]
Eden Sher
And then I signed up to Tinder with her because she had a girlfriend already. Like, she didn't need set, and she let me use her account. I put the pictures up, and then she changed all her pictures back to her after. Cause it was already set. So it said my name was. It was all my pictures, but it said my name was Allie.
- [70:37]
Heather McDonald
Who is your friend?
- [70:38]
Eden Sher
Who's my friend.
- [70:39]
Heather McDonald
Got it.
- [70:40]
Eden Sher
And so people who. It was kind of this good buffer. Like, people who didn't know who I was just was like, hey, you're a girl named Allie. And then I had to sort of explain. And then. So that's how I got it out. But people who. Some people did recognize me and were like, hey, like, you're pretending to be this girl. Like, that's so. That's really fucked up. Like, you're catfishing as this. Like, she's an actress. And I had to be like, no, I. I am actually her. But also, I don't want to date you because you know who I am. Like, I don't want this gonna be weird.
- [71:09]
Heather McDonald
Oh, my gosh.
- [71:11]
Eden Sher
But I ended up. I dated a couple guys, actually. I'm friends with one of the guys, too. He's like a producer.
- [71:17]
Heather McDonald
And so you guys get married, and then you find out you're pregnant with identical twins.
- [71:23]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [71:23]
Heather McDonald
So this was all natural.
- [71:25]
Eden Sher
All natural.
- [71:26]
Heather McDonald
Do you have twins in your family?
- [71:27]
Eden Sher
No. And if you see my show, I talk about this. I talk about how identical twins happen because they are not genetic. They're not genetic in any way. Anyone can get pregnant with identical twins.
- [71:41]
Heather McDonald
It's just that the embryo splits.
- [71:42]
Eden Sher
It's just that the embryo splits.
- [71:43]
Heather McDonald
Okay?
- [71:44]
Eden Sher
The little zygote splits in two, makes little clones in your body, and then somehow it works. I'M always like, the miracle of life, like.
- [71:53]
Heather McDonald
So when did you find out that you were first? You found out you were pregnant?
- [71:56]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [71:57]
Heather McDonald
Because you peed on a stick or whatever then. So was it the first ultrasound that they saw two heartbeats?
- [72:02]
Eden Sher
No. This is the most insane part. I pee on a stick. I'm pregnant. Okay, great. Oh, I'm. I'm pregnant with the baby. We were trying. We were, like, trying. Cause I was like, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go in for an actual scan. And she says, I wasn't even thinking of anything other than just one baby. And she goes, yep. You're like, there is. There's a heartbeat, and it's just one. And I was like. She's like, and it's a singleton. And I was like, oh, okay. Of course it is. That's what happens when you're pregnant. I. But, okay, great. I'm glad it's just one. I go in for the next scan. So they tell me at a doctor at my OBGYN that it is just one child or one, you know, one zygote. One baby happening. And then I go into my next one.
- [72:41]
Heather McDonald
And they don't know the sex at that point.
- [72:43]
Eden Sher
No.
- [72:43]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [72:43]
Eden Sher
They just know it's a functioning viable. Yeah. Then I go in for my next one at. I think it was eight weeks. Eight and a half. Eight and a half weeks. Ish. And she.
- [72:54]
Heather McDonald
It's still really early, though. But.
- [72:56]
Eden Sher
Yeah, it's still pretty. It's still really early. Yeah, but I was still. I already thought it was just one. She told me it was just one. And. And I. I talk about this in my show, but she literally turns to me. She turned. She, like, gasps. And I was like. She gasps and, like, hold her. Like, she doesn't look happy. She just like. And I was like, this is it. Like, I miscarried.
- [73:19]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. Yeah.
- [73:19]
Eden Sher
That's like, okay, that's. That's fine. That happens. I know that it's all going through your head.
- [73:23]
Heather McDonald
And, like, not even a second. Yeah.
- [73:25]
Eden Sher
And she looks. She turns to me, like, slowly, like, truly takes, like, eight seconds to turn her head, and just holds up a peace sign. And I was like, what? And my husband. And she goes, nick. His name is Nick. Like, you know, actual Nick. Like. Like, Nick, come over here. Let me. Let me show you. If you can see what I see. And. Because he saw her do this. He saw. And I was like, oh, my God. Is she. What is happening? And she sees. And she points to him, and she's. He's like, looking. He's like, can you. She's like, can you see the monitor? Can you see the. Whatever. She's like, see that there, right there. There's a heartbeat. And then she just goes. And there's another one right there. And we were like. I saw all the blood drain from my husband's face, and I was like, oh.
- [74:08]
Heather McDonald
Did you ever, like, have twin friends growing up? Did you ever think twins would be fun? Did you ever play with twin dolls?
- [74:15]
Eden Sher
No. Never. Never. I had. I had a twin friend. I actually had fraternal twin friends. I did. They were two of my best friends. They were. It was a boy, girl, twins, actually two sets of fraternal twins. But I never. I was never like, a twin person. Everyone, I think, is fascinated by identical twins to some degree.
- [74:31]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, I am. Totally. Yeah. They.
- [74:32]
Eden Sher
And they are just as fascinating to have. They are.
- [74:35]
Heather McDonald
And so your girls are three.
- [74:37]
Eden Sher
They're three now. And they are.
- [74:38]
Heather McDonald
And do they still look identical to me?
- [74:42]
Eden Sher
They look very different to people who they also. They wear glasses now.
- [74:46]
Heather McDonald
Would you put them into acting? Because they can do twice the amount of work.
- [74:50]
Eden Sher
They are identical twins. Identical twin babies are hot commodities, I have learned. And when they were baby babies, I was like, they're babies modeling, like, extra cash, college fund. Like, okay, sure, let's do, like, why not?
- [75:06]
Heather McDonald
And did you get this stuff?
- [75:08]
Eden Sher
No, not at all.
- [75:09]
Heather McDonald
It was so much work to put them out there.
- [75:12]
Eden Sher
It's so much work putting them out there. And I was like. And then I realized I would be the worst stage mom ever, because you have to. At the slightest sign of discomfort, I would pull them. If they started crying and they were like, no, make them stop crying. I'd be like, fuck you. Get out. Like, we're leaving. I would never, ever have them ever be, like, uncomfortable in that way.
- [75:34]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. You know, with the Everyone Loves Raymond, the twin boys were the actual, if I'm correct, the biological brothers of the little girl.
- [75:45]
Eden Sher
I think they were.
- [75:46]
Heather McDonald
I think you're right. Yeah.
- [75:46]
Eden Sher
Because they did really look alike, like, a lot.
- [75:48]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. It just, like, worked out.
- [75:50]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [75:51]
Heather McDonald
And, you know, and in real life, I think that Ray only has the boys. He only has twin boys in real life because it was based on his life.
- [76:00]
Eden Sher
No, I think he does have a girl also. I think he has three. Yeah. I only know that, I think, because I think my friends went to school with them.
- [76:06]
Heather McDonald
Oh, really? Okay. I don't know.
- [76:07]
Eden Sher
Maybe. But maybe those were the most. I think it's the most interesting. The twin part is the most interesting. So it's probably the part that people remember.
- [76:15]
Heather McDonald
Remember? Yeah, from like his standup and stuff before getting the show. Yeah, yeah.
- [76:19]
Eden Sher
They're. God, they're so funny. And they ask for Frozen and I don't know why. I don't know how we got into English and Spanish. We do both English and Spanish versions. And one of them. And one of them was like, mommy, I need let it go. And my other kid goes in Spanish. And she was like, no, in English. And they just back and forth. We're like crying when I'm crying, going in English. And the one who wanted Spanish just kept saying in Spanish, you dress alike. I don't, I don't.
- [76:53]
Heather McDonald
It's not. You're not supposed to.
- [76:55]
Eden Sher
I think I know people who do. I have other friends and I just think it's. I think it's confusing for everyone else because other people can't recognize. They can't tell the difference between them.
- [77:06]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [77:06]
Eden Sher
So I think it's. And they just want different. If they. Sometimes they ask for the same thing. Sometimes they get really upset. They will ask, they will be like, if one of them has a red shirt, sometimes we have to get two of the same. Because it's just.
- [77:18]
Heather McDonald
They like it.
- [77:19]
Eden Sher
Fairness.
- [77:20]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [77:20]
Eden Sher
Yeah. They get.
- [77:21]
Heather McDonald
Do they ever have a thing where like one stubs her toe and the other one goes, ouch?
- [77:27]
Eden Sher
They don't say ouch, but they will go over and like, they'll say like, my sister is crying. My sister is crying. Look, her toe. And they'll say, they'll say like, I feel bad, I feel sad. That makes me sad. When my sister is sad when she stubs her toe.
- [77:44]
Heather McDonald
That's so amazing to me.
- [77:45]
Eden Sher
It's so. I'm like, so cool. Do other 3 year olds, we're like, that's called empathy.
- [77:50]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [77:51]
Eden Sher
And so now they say, like, I have empathy for my sister.
- [77:54]
Heather McDonald
I'm an empath.
- [77:55]
Eden Sher
They literally.
- [77:56]
Heather McDonald
In Spanish, please. Oh, my gosh. Well, listen, tell us about your show and what's going on, where it is now. So you did this everywhere you went on the road. It's like a one woman show.
- [78:10]
Eden Sher
Yeah.
- [78:10]
Heather McDonald
With lots of fun stories about your life and you want to film it. So tell us about that.
- [78:15]
Eden Sher
So it's a. It really is. It's. It's a journey. It's like the. In the take, it was in the few years after the middle ends. It's about me, like, coming to terms with my identity as a person. As like a human being who is not Suhag, but also kind of is Sue Hag. And that's the problem, is that I kind of am.
- [78:34]
Heather McDonald
Let me ask you one question. Is there anything that. Like, when I'm sure you're gonna say, you know, 99 of the time, when somebody walks up to you and says, I love the show. You were amazing. Is there any time where it isn't great?
- [78:49]
Eden Sher
Well, I. I talk. You watch my show. Yeah, that's my whole show.
- [78:54]
Heather McDonald
That's the whole stuff. Give me one instance where it wasn't great.
- [78:58]
Eden Sher
Well, I'll give you a. I'll. I'll give you a little. I don't know if I should spoil it. It's a huge thing that happened. I had a crazy labor and delivery. Actually, a lot of the show is about my labor and delivery.
- [79:09]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [79:10]
Eden Sher
But it comes. It's. Oh, but it is also. It is intertwined with this. This. And so I had a crazy labor and delivery, and I had. I delivered at 28 weeks, which is very early for anyone who doesn't know they were in the hospital for a while. But my delivery, one came out vaginally, and the other was an emergency C section.
- [79:31]
Heather McDonald
Oh, wow.
- [79:32]
Eden Sher
And before the emergency C section, the. I'll just say that someone in the room while I'm freaking out, while I'm like, I don't know if my babies are alive right now, someone is like, where do I know you from? Where do I know you, Rob? And I had to be like, I don't know. I don't. I don't know. Is my baby alive? Like, no, I know. I know you from somewhere. Literally giving me, like, an epidural, being like. Like a needle in my neck, needle in my spine, being like, you're an actor, right? And then.
- [80:10]
Heather McDonald
Yes.
- [80:11]
Eden Sher
And then eventually telling me that they.
- [80:11]
Heather McDonald
Have you ever had someone where it's like, where do I know you're from? And finally you're like, I'm an actress. I'm on TV. And then they're like, that's not it.
- [80:18]
Eden Sher
100%.
- [80:19]
Heather McDonald
That's not it. I think we went to high school together. And you're like, well, I didn't go to your high school, so I think it might be. And then you're to the point where you're like, well, now you're making me feel conceited because I'm literally saying I'm famous and you're not. Believe me. Has that happened to you?
- [80:32]
Eden Sher
Yes. Well, 90% of time, people are like, did we go to high school together? That's like. Cause it's like, TV is weird. It lodges In a weird part of your brain that's not like normal movie stars, but one time. So all the time, people are like, were you at Dan's party on Friday? And I'm always like, no, I don't know Dan. Like, that's not where you know me from. And usually I'll try to be like, I'm not gonna be conceited. Like, I'm not gonna. But this one time, I was out to dinner, and I was like, I don't have time for this. So the guy was like, you look so familiar. And I was like, do you watch the middle? And he goes, no. And I was like, oh, okay. Do you. Oh, okay. Do you? Do you. I don't know. Is there another TV show? Did you watch Weeds or something? And he was like, no. He's like, oh, do you know Mike? And I was like, I do know Mike.
- [81:20]
Heather McDonald
Just to end it. Just to end it.
- [81:21]
Eden Sher
No, no, I did know Mike. I was like, I saw you at Mike's workshop the other day. And I was like, oh, my God. That is where. He was like, no, I don't know who the fuck you are. Like, I don't know. I don't watch your show. I was like, okay, sorry. Never mind. So I'll never do it again.
- [81:41]
Heather McDonald
Oh, my God, that's hilarious. Okay, so tell us a little bit about this.
- [81:45]
Eden Sher
So, yeah, so my show, it's. It talks about my journey. I. So I want to film it. I want to film it. I have a Kickstarter. It costs a lot of money to film to.
- [81:53]
Heather McDonald
To.
- [81:54]
Eden Sher
To. It costs a lot of money to film a special, and I really, really, really want people to see it. It's a really special show to me, and so I'm trying to raise money. I'm trying to raise money to film it.
- [82:04]
Heather McDonald
So where can they go to check it out?
- [82:06]
Eden Sher
Every. Any one of my socials. Instagram, my Instagram, my TikTok.
- [82:10]
Heather McDonald
Eden.
- [82:11]
Eden Sher
Yeah. Which is just Eden. Oh, it's Eden Underscore Share.
- [82:14]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [82:14]
Eden Sher
Why isn't it just Eden Share? That is so annoying. And shares S H E R. Yeah, Eden Underscore Share. You can also go toedensharelive.com. you can also search. I was on a sitcom on Kickstarter. It's like, it's in my bio everywhere. It's just. You can't escape it if you go to my socials, but.
- [82:32]
Heather McDonald
And then also you have your podcast.
- [82:33]
Eden Sher
I do, yeah. And I have my podcast, Middling with Eden and Brock.
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Heather McDonald
And you guys cover the middle, but anything else, you have guests. And what we do.
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Eden Sher
We have guests. Actually, you should come on if you want. One day.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, sure. I mean, I'm a big fan of the show.
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Eden Sher
That's kind of what we.
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Heather McDonald
So we have. One of my favorite episodes was the one of the Mother Day. Mother's Day.
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Eden Sher
You should come and recap a Mother's Day episode where they.
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Heather McDonald
Because this was so relatable to the mom, so she's so tired and they're like, you know what? We're gonna leave you to just do your day alone. So they go. And then she ends up not relaxing, like defrosting the fridge, doing all this shit. And then they come home and they're like, we had the best time. You guys come with the dad. We had the best time. We went to the farm and then we went to the park and then we went to the amusement thing. And she's just like, and now my day's over and I didn't spend any time with my kids. And I think that was such a brilliant episode because I think people always think. And we did it once to my mother in law. She came to Vegas where my brother in law lived, and we said, and here's a spa day and you are going tomorrow. And she didn't want to go tomorrow. She wanted to spend the time with everybody.
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Eden Sher
Yeah.
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Heather McDonald
And so it's like, you can give someone a gift, but don't tell them to go do something or not do something that day. Like, because it's like the whole point, you know, everybody wants a different thing. But I just thought that was just like such a clever episode. But yes, I'd love to come on and talk more about it with you.
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Eden Sher
Yeah, surely we can do that episode. And I remember seeing that episode recently. I watched it, I think as research for when I was writing my show. Now, like watching it, rewatching it as a mom, I'm like, one of the things they hit on in that episode is this like constant battle. This like, I just want a break. I want a fucking break. But also this guilt. This like, oh, but I want to be with my kids. I know. I want to be with them. And it was.
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Heather McDonald
And you miss them, and then you miss them.
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Eden Sher
And that's how I feel. That's how I.
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Heather McDonald
It's more just like when they're little, like your age, it's like, I just want to eat this Chinese chicken salad in peace.
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Eden Sher
I just want to alone.
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Heather McDonald
I don't eat eight hours alone. I just want to eat this one salad by myself.
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Eden Sher
Like 20 minutes where I'm not sharing my food and then having it be on the floor. Yeah, just 20 minutes. Yeah, absolutely.
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Heather McDonald
And men will never understand that because they will just eat their sandwich.
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Eden Sher
That's what.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Eden Sher
My husband, literally the other day, he made himself a bowl of lentils and then just ate it. And I was like, what did you just do? And he was like, I was hungry. I wanted to eat my food. And I was like, but they were also hungry. You should. Why did they wanted it? Why didn't you give it to them? He was like, because I wanted my food. And I was like, oh, interesting. Interesting tactic to just eat food. I've never considered it.
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Heather McDonald
Hmm. That's hilarious. Well, thank you so much. This was really fun. I so enjoy your stories and your energy and everybody go check out her Instagram and her show and her podcast and hopefully, you know, participate in it and get it so that we can see it at some point. Yeah.
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Eden Sher
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This was so much fun.
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Heather McDonald
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