Carlos King on RHOC Lies and the Future of Bravo

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Carlos King on RHOC Lies and the Future of Bravo

Date: September 2, 2025
Guest: Carlos King

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Heather McDonald welcomes reality TV producer and Bravo insider Carlos King for an in-depth discussion of the latest and juiciest moments across the Real Housewives universe and Bravo TV at large. They dissect top drama from RHOC, RHOBH, RHOP, and more, weighing in with sharp takes on cast storylines, new spinoffs, and Bravo’s cultural impact. Expect candid opinions, behind-the-scenes insights, and witty banter as they tackle everything from fake storylines and social media interference to iconic housewife personalities and shifting franchise dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Dark Side of Modern Housewives: Outside Influencers

[06:30–09:43]

• Heather and Carlos debate the impact of meme accounts, podcasters, and bloggers influencing production and storylines while filming.
• Carlos: “I don’t like it. When the intention is to feed somebody information for the sole purpose of embarrassment, a storyline. That’s when things get a little dark for me.” (07:01)
• They reminisce about the “Brooks’ cancer” scandal as a pivotal example of how organic cast investigations used to be, rather than being driven by outside leaks.
• Carlos on RHOC’s Katie: Expresses he believes Katie is "a liar" who was manipulated by bloggers and lost sight of genuine relationships and storytelling. (09:08–11:30)

Authentic vs. Engineered Storylines

[09:37–12:59]

• Discussion about Housewife cast members (e.g., Erika Jayne) who come in authentically versus those who become hyper-aware and manipulative about the show’s mechanics.
• The moral ambiguity of podcasters/bloggers sharing cast “scoops” and blurring lines between content and instigation.
• Heather: “There’s a fine line between too much research and none at all” (09:37)

Custody Drama and Real-life Stakes

[12:17–13:36]

• Focus on custody as a more substantial and compelling topic than petty betrayals or rumor-mongering.
• Both agree that reality shows often miss more emotive or “real” subjects for manufactured drama.

Iconic Relationships: Dorit, Kyle, and the Evolution of RHOBH

[18:08–24:47]

• Carlos analyzes Dorit’s character arc—from bold and opinionated to a “recluse” reacting to social media backlash, and now returning to form in her rift with Kyle.
• They dissect the infamous “puppy gate” with Lisa Vanderpump, issues of allegiance, and the business underpinnings of Housewives relationships.
  • Carlos: “PK is a businessman... The moment Dorit fell out with Lisa Vanderpump... that was the day he did not like his wife anymore because we all understand business.” (20:32)
• Heather’s dream: “I cannot wait for AI to figure out a way that dogs can tell us what they saw.” (21:53)

Success Stories & Housewife Business Acumen

[25:34–26:16]

• Lisa Vanderpump called “the smartest housewife,” commended for leveraging her brand into multiple successful TV and hospitality ventures.
• Brief comparison with Bethenny Frankel—“Bethenny Frankel is the Donald Trump of the Housewives... in the most tooting your own horn way.” (26:16–26:27)

Bravo’s Spinoffs and Next Generation

[27:21–29:55]

• Is lightning in a bottle (like the original VPR cast) replicable? Both are skeptical but find the RHONY Next Gen promising, especially with franchise kids joining the cast.
• Carlos: “It gave the Bravo audience like, ‘oh I know these people, I grew up with them.’” (29:22)
• Pros/cons of filming “family business” and how younger generations are now more media-savvy and less privacy-concerned.

The Kyle and Morgan Richards Rumor Mill

[30:01–37:12]

• Deep dive into Kyle Richards’ rumored relationship with Morgan:
  • Both find Kyle an exceptional housewife for sustained vulnerability and authenticity.
  • Carlos: “Kyle is my favorite housewife. You know that I love her the most.” (30:01)
  • Heather’s unfiltered take: “I don't think this was her first time... I think she knew her way around a vagina.” (30:50)
  • Speculation on why Kyle pulled back from publicly coming out and how the exposure affected Morgan.
  • Carlos: “I don’t think Morgan realized she was dating the Britney Spears of Bravo.” (33:36)
  • Both predict Kyle will settle into a “traditional” relationship: “At the end of the day, I agree with you. I do see Kyle living happily ever after with a man because I think she’s so traditional.” (36:56)

Housewives as Workplace Relationships

[47:09–52:55]

• Analysis of Sutton and Garcelle’s friendship fallout (RHOBH) and the difference between TV relationships versus real, lasting bonds.
  • Carlos: “At the end of the day, Sutton, in her real life, wants to be around the cool girls.” (50:08)
  • Heather: “My thing to her was just, Garcelle is a person that makes relationships since she was 20 on set. And this blurred the lines. And when it was over, it was over.” (48:51)
• Realness vs. performativity in cast “alliances,” with acknowledgment that reality TV can complicate genuine friendship opportunities.

Standout Housewife Performances: Giselle and RHOP

[38:30–41:22]

• Carlos on Giselle Bryant: “I call her Giselle Kobe Bryant... I think Giselle is the face of Potomac, she knows how to move story forward... and this reunion, she delivered.” (38:43)
• Both believe Giselle knows how to protect her private life while delivering onscreen drama—no “real” boyfriends will be shown from now on.
• Examining the hazards for partners of RH stars: the intensity of social media sleuthing and fan scrutiny (see: Sherman and Morgan).

Salt Lake City Scandals & Mary’s Church

[52:57–57:12]

• Mary's Shady Church: Heather recounts Mary's background—alleged church mismanagement, marrying her step-grandfather, and wealth generated from parishioners’ donations and affiliated businesses.
  • Heather: “Her grandmother ran this church. And this is all alleged, but with great facts… So I’m not saying anything is illegal here. I'm just saying that's what it was.” (53:34)
• Mary’s value to the franchise as an oddball/scene-stealer, and Salt Lake City earning its place as arguably the “#2” franchise (with Carlos claiming OC is currently #1).
• Notable: Heather visited and filmed the church herself for a “boots-on-the-ground” scoop.

The Todd (RHOM) Video & Frustrations of Housewives’ Spouses

[58:19–60:58]

• Todd, husband of Alexia (Miami), released a 10-minute video venting about his portrayal and treatment by cast/fans.
  • Both hosts are sympathetic but agree a public diatribe and threats to sue Bravo are unwise and unlikely to succeed.
  • Carlos: “If you're good at your job, you're good. So I understand the frustration, but threatening a lawsuit? I think he took it too far.” (60:53)

Atlanta’s Kenya, Rumors, and Lawsuits

[61:06–63:45]

• The fallout after Kenya reveals explicit photos of "Brit" on-camera, only for Brit to later deny they were of her. Heather describes this as “the ultimate gaslighting,” connecting it to previously mishandled housewife scandals.
• Lawsuits are discussed, but both see little likelihood they result in payouts.

Brandi Glanville, Parasites, and Public Meltdowns

[64:07–67:25]

• Heather: Brandi allegedly named her mysterious parasite “Caroline Manzo,” linking her medical struggles to on-set drama in Morocco.
• Both show concern for Brandi’s public unraveling and shifting legal/mental health battles.
  • Carlos: “I hope she gets the best help she deserves.... I just don’t want her to do anything else to cause more stress. I think her focus should be on getting healed.” (67:14)

Potomac, New Cast, and Production News

[44:56–47:09]

• Latest tea: Potomac just wrapped, most of cast (except Mia) will return.
• Praise for newbie Stacey, and Boz’s strong first season.
• Production anecdotes about producer-cast shenanigans and “fake dates” versus authentic reality moments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Carlos King [07:01]: “I don’t like it. When the intention is to feed somebody information for the sole purpose of embarrassment, a storyline. That’s when things get a little dark for me.”
• Heather [21:53]: “I cannot wait for AI to figure out a way that dogs can tell us what they saw.”
• Carlos [20:32]: “The moment Dorit fell out with Lisa Vanderpump... that was the day he did not like his wife anymore because we all understand business.”
• Heather [26:24]: “Bethenny Frankel is the Donald Trump of the Housewives in the best way.”
• Carlos [33:36]: “I don’t think Morgan realized she was dating the Britney Spears of Bravo.”
• Carlos on Giselle [38:43]: “I call her Giselle Kobe Bryant!”
• Heather [53:34]: “Her grandmother ran this church... with great facts. The church had people worshiping and donating, but also all these other businesses around it that created a lot of wealth.”
• Carlos [60:53]: “If you're good at your job, you're good. So I understand the frustration, but threatening a lawsuit? I think he took it too far.”
• Heather [67:11]: “And she's still Brandy in writing a tweet like that, you know?”

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Timestamps of Major Segments

• 06:30 Outside influence on Housewives (bloggers, meme accounts)
• 09:08 Carlos calls Katie a liar; commentary on how cast members play the game
• 12:59 Real-life stakes: custody versus rumors
• 18:08 Dorit & Kyle’s friendship, fallout, and “puppy gate”
• 25:34 Lisa Vanderpump’s business savvy and franchise branching
• 27:21 VPR and Next Gen—Can chemistry be recreated?
• 30:01 All things Kyle Richards and Morgan—rumor, speculation, and psychology
• 38:30 Giselle Bryant’s dominance at the RHOP reunion
• 44:56 RHOP casting future and Stacey as standout newbie
• 47:09 The Garcelle/Sutton friendship breakup
• 52:57 Mary Cosby’s church and Salt Lake City’s rise in status
• 58:19 Miami’s Todd vents with a 10-minute video
• 61:06 Kenya’s accusations against Brit and the difficulties of proving “innocence”
• 64:07 Brandi Glanville’s ongoing issues and the parasite saga

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Tone and Style

The conversation is candid, sharp, often irreverent, and deeply informed by both hosts’ years in the entertainment and Bravo sphere. Heather employs her signature biting humor, often veering into playful shade, while Carlos is insightful and passionate, both about production and championing reality TV as a genre.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must for Bravo superfans and reality TV aficionados who crave informed opinion, speculative tea, and sharp, sassy banter. Expect shrewd takes on cast motivations, production reading-between-the-lines, and plenty of unexpected scoops. Skip this one if you’re after just recaps—here, you get the story behind the story with unbeatable Bravo expertise.

Transcript

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[Carlos King]

So.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Heather McDonald]

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of my favorite return guests. He's one of your favorites. Carlos King. King of all things reality, housewife, God loving, fabulous, positive force in this crazy world. Writer, producer, personality, podcaster, host, reunion host. You have many of your own shows that you produce in this field. Welcome back. How are you?

[Carlos King]

I love being with you. Whenever I'm on the west coast, I text my girl. I'm like, look, just in case you need somebody, I'm in town. Cause that's our thing. But I'm always happy to see your beautiful face. You look good.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you. I've been just trying to drink alcohol, but then have water as well.

[Carlos King]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm not one of those people that are like, you know what I hear of alcohol. No, it's just good fun summer of, you know, a lot of just hanging out with the fam and friends and pickleball and doing all the things everyone loves.

[Carlos King]

Pickleball, honey, I'm telling you, it's a good.

[Heather McDonald]

It really is. Now there was times I was ready to give up and I'm so glad I didn't. And the reason it is popular is that a lot of people at not very athletic can actually play it and get better. And I feel like tennis and things like that are real challenging. But you can Actually, like, keep a rally going because you always have a partner. And if you just stick with it and learn the rules and don't give up, it can be something. And you do sweat. Like, you know, you. You do get cardio. You do sweat. I don't feel like losing weight, but you definitely get your heart rate up.

[Carlos King]

Okay, good.

[Heather McDonald]

And there you go. But let's talk about some. The best. I said let's do a show about the worst of the best moments of Housewives in the past year. And you did all your homework. And I just wanna dive into it. Cause obviously it's your strong opinions about things, so I wanna focus on you.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, we have the whole Real Housewives of Orange county of it all.

[Carlos King]

Love this show.

[Heather McDonald]

And Katie, and how do you feel in general about the fact that in this day and age where so many people do what we do and to the level of someone being an anonymous meme account to a big podcaster and the talent is reaching out, talking, sharing stuff, hoping that this stuff gets out, and then how it really, truly affects the entire season. Cause it's happening while they're filming.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

What do you think of all of that?

[Carlos King]

I don't like it. I don't like it. When the intention is to feed somebody information for the sole purpose of embarrassment, a storyline. That's when things get a little dark for me. And I absolutely do not like it. Now if somebody comes on our podcast and they say something off color that pisses someone off, that's different for me.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay with that. Them saying that too. When they're like, well, when you said that, I watched what happens live or when this happened at BravoCon. Because again, it's like, it's. Yeah, that should happen. They are. They are asking those questions and he's asking those snarky questions.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

To put you on the spot and to get the. This. The snarky fun, not, you know, you have a horrible marriage, you did a nefarious or illegal thing. Like, that is where I'm like, you know, one thing, a season one Brooks. Brooks Cancer thing, that was. That was the classic iconic. And it evolved on screen.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It didn't involve the backstory of a. A blogger or a podcast or whatever, saying, like, I know that he doesn't have cancer. It literally was one of the cast members doing the investigation and then everyone else. That was. That was classic.

[Carlos King]

That's the good old days, right? You didn't have a podcast that you had Meghan King Edmunds Biden Yeah. You know, twice removed. So it was something amazing that you had a.

[Heather McDonald]

Never forget. Never forget that she was married to our president's nephew.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And they attended.

[Carlos King]

Yes. She's iconic. So we had her. We didn't need Kiki, Monique. We didn't need the bloggers. It takes you away for me, Heather. It takes me out of the reality because I'm sort of like, I don't need to know this information in this detail. And look, when it comes to Katie, I have to admit, I think she's a liar. Liar. Katie on fire.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And as much as I appreciate the great season that OC is, and I'll give Katie some of that credit, I think Katie fell into the tropes of let me befriend people. I'm a new housewife. I don't know how this sh. Works. And she did in a way, Heather, that doesn't make me support what she's doing. But again, the fans like her. And I, I, I, I, I.

[Heather McDonald]

There's a fine line between doing too, too much research and none at all.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I mean? Like, according to Erika Jayne, who I believe she really. I mean, least when she came on my show, she goes, I did not watch these shows. She goes, I was like a law and order person, which made sense. Son's a cop. Husband was Tom Girardi.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And then when the offer came, she was like, well, I was ready to pivot because this thing was not really taking off. The Erika Jayne singing and being paying probably, we know now spending $30,000 to perform at a white party in Palm Springs herself. So it's like she was ready to pivot and was like, okay, this sounds good. And we got a very cool. What is going on. Authentic exchange with her. And then I think there's the level of, okay, I watched it all. And then there's the level of. And let me also infiltrate all these people. That could also push narratives out there and rumors. And then those people are so. And I get it. You know, everyone's trying to make a bucket it. So I get it. You have this juicy thing dropped in your lap. You're not going to be like, well, morally, I don't know that this is what Andy Cohen wants. I mean, they're not going to do that, you know.

[Carlos King]

Yeah. No, but that's the thing. And I think when it comes to Katie. But let me know what you think. I can't. I, I'm struggling trying to find a redeeming quality about her. I think in my opinion, Based on what I saw, based on the episodes, I want to be very clear. I believe she's a liar, and I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. And I think she was very lonely and she had nobody. And she unfortunately fell into the traps of believing that these bloggers were her friends.

[Heather McDonald]

Totally. I think you're right. I think she played the game wrong. And I. It's unfortunate. Cause, you know, there were moments where she was kind of funny and the family dynamic was interesting. Whatever that, Whatever the true backstory was, I thought we would find that out, and I thought that would gain her some sympathy, because I think there's something bigger there, you know, when you don't or when you forego custody of your kids. And I thought I was like, you know, that's something we'd like to know again. Erika Jayne didn't have custody. Daily custody, you know, with her son. And no one brought that up. No one was like, why is that? I think she always had a great relationship with the ex husband.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think with all the money in the world, it was like, well, you can fly and see your son anytime you want, Erica. But I'm not. You're not gonna be going to Little League. You're gonna be at my beck and call. And those are the things I thought her book would say, and those are the things I thought when I interviewed her. Oh, this will be really interesting to see this come out next season. And I hope they don't attack her for that, because there was always so much more to that story. And if the dad is living across the country without his kid, no one thinks anything of it. Very true. But I'm always sort of like, wow. And then when they went after her for that in the reunion, Emily and Heather, why doesn't she. Why didn't she have custody of her kids? I thought that was, like, a real moment, that I was like, yeah, let's get into that.

[Carlos King]

I care more about that because to me, it's more fascinating for, like you said, a mother not to have full custody. Like, I'm more intrigued with the decision making behind that versus you. DMing these bloggers trying to get information out of the. And get information out there. I. I find it gross, if I'm being completely honest about it. I think it's. I don't like when any reality star does something so gross, and that is befriend bloggers for the sole purpose of putting information out there to embarrass a cast member.

[Heather McDonald]

And as someone who has you know, made her living on a show called Juicy Scoop. I don't make up stories or lie or exaggerate, but I know the feeling of going to meet somebody and being like, I have a little gift for you. Like, this is the scoop. Like, oh, my God, you're going to die. Like, when something happens and you have that one friend, you're like, call me back right now. You're gonna die. And I think she has that. But then I also think she exaggerates, and I also think she pulled things out of the air.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Or it was so, like one, you know, one thing she read somewhere else. Then she's like, oh, no, I talked to the person who saw it with her own eyes. You know what I mean? Like, I think it was a lot of that. And then once there was more than one of those, there were several. I mean, it makes Monica of Salt Lake City look like she was a nun. She was like, at least I was the one doing it.

[Carlos King]

And cut to it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I was the one behind the Dita Von Teese thing. I was the one not. You know, I mean, still, it was super deceptive, and it was still juicy. But it's like, I feel like this is not as. Aha. Not as juicy. No. And worse.

[Carlos King]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Carlos King]

Oh my gosh.

[Heather McDonald]

The relationship arc, the breakup, the comeback together. Where are we now? What do you think?

[Carlos King]

It's. It's real. It's real. You have two friends whose husbands were great friends and their friendship came to a demise. And Dorit, in my opinion, who started off her first two seasons, very strong, right? Extremely opinionated. Had the best sort of mentor, like Lisa Vanderpump to say, I'm going to teach you how to do it. And yes, go in there and speak your mind. And Dorit delivered. She then got attacked by social media because she came off too Strong. And then she became a recluse, and she was so boring, and I never understood.

[Heather McDonald]

That's such an interesting observation. And I think maybe I've. I think maybe you've told me that, or I've seen you say it before, but it's something that I didn't really notice, like, the trajectory. And you're right.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, at first, it was like, oh, my God, like, who is this girl with this English husband? And she has this English accent, but she's kind of fun, and she's got the Boy George thing. And then it was all just glam and photos for three years.

[Carlos King]

That was it.

[Heather McDonald]

And expensive clothes. There was nothing more to it. You're right.

[Carlos King]

Yes. I'm like, this isn't Fashion Police with Joan Rivers. Like, I don't care to see your closet. I don't care to see the labels. You and I like these shows for. Real story.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

So when we finally got the real conversation between her and Kyle about the demise of their friendship, how she told Kyle, I'm done protecting you. I'm gonna state how I feel. Dorit is smoking a cigarette. Dorit is telling us and everybody within earshot, the waiter, the valet guy, that PK is an alcoholic. It was sort of like the resurrection of, like, the old Dorit. And I loved it.

[Heather McDonald]

And also, we realized that, you know, that was a real moment because as someone who lives a similar life to these women. Been married a long time. No. Women who get divorced get back to their husband and keep the secret, reveal too much to a friend, and then they stay with the husband, so then they dump the friend because they're honestly embarrassed.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, and it's a really hard thing to manage. And. But the fact that she was always like, oh, yes, my love, and we're gonna have a birthday for pk and the whole time, they fucking hated each other. Yeah. They were like, their marriage probably sucked the last six years.

[Carlos King]

Of course it did, because PK did not get a return on his investment. He invested in Dorit. He's the one who told her when they were on a trip in Paris, I believe. Accept the phone call from the casting person. You're going to do the interview. We are going to do this show. We're going to befriend Lisa Vanderpump and her husband, and we're going to make this work because PK is a businessman. And when Dorit, in my opinion, lost the plot and did not really utilize the position that she had the moment she fell out with Lisa Vanderpump, and Lisa Vanderpump drove away with Kyle and Dorit. Mouths open. Pk, in my opinion, that was the day he did not like his wife anymore. Because we all understand business.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. But it was all about the dog.

[Carlos King]

But think about it. PK's a businessman. It's all about relationships.

[Heather McDonald]

Right?

[Carlos King]

This woman got us on the show. This woman is one of the richest in Beverly Hills.

[Heather McDonald]

It's Lisa Vanderpump.

[Carlos King]

Lisa Vanderpump.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

We're gonna ruin the relationship with this person over a dog?

[Heather McDonald]

The dog thing is, I've always said, I cannot wait for AI to figure out a way that dogs can tell us what they saw. Because there was a dog who knew what really happened with O.J. and Nicole.

[Carlos King]

Oh, God, there's been so many dogs.

[Heather McDonald]

There's been so many dogs that have the scoop, that were the only eyewitness. The dog. Loosey goosey apple, juicy.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Supposedly, she got the dog to read. The dog bit someone in their house. She gave it to a friend without telling Lisa Vanderpump. The dog was whatever. To that person. We don't know. And then the dog went to a shelter that allegedly. I've heard it wasn't a kill shelter. I heard it was a kill shelter. Who knows? They see that it has a chip or whatever, and they call Lisa Vanderpump's place and the dog. And then it was this whole weird thing where it was. I mean, I remember Teddi's like, I wanna do your show. I need to tell you about this gate, this puppy gate thing. And as I sat across from her and she explained it to me, I have to say it. I still don't understand. I still don't understand. It was something to the effect of she was basically saying. Which a lot of people have accused Lisa of in the past. Lisa wanted her to say something about this on camera and then be like, I don't wanna talk about it. That was sort of it.

[Carlos King]

Yeah, I remember.

[Heather McDonald]

It was, in their opinion, to make Dorit look bad.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And so I don't. I don't know how Dorit could have handled this, you know, like, differently, except to just say, yeah, we. We gave the dog. Which is what it was. We gave it to a friend. And I'm sorry that the friend didn't check with me when they, too, had to re home the dog.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, that's all you had. And then Lisa's whole thing was like, that I sell stories to read online. Are you kidding me? And her whole thing was like, why I don't want. And this always made sense to me. Why would I want a story that somehow dogs that are adopted out of my care don't have a great life? So she's like, I didn't want this story out. Well, how am I benefiting from this story? And then the other story was, no, you want the story out because you want this to be the launching pad. You want Loosey Juicy Goosey to be the shina Shay. You want Loosey Apple, Goosey Juicy, whatever. To be the shina Shay for the Vanderpump dogs, which did one season and died. So it was all of that. Which then also leads to housewife jealousy, where it's so many fights are about. I got the call to go to Mohegan sun, and they said, who do you want to be with you?

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Thought we would get Susie, whatever. And then that person says, don't get Susie. Ask Kelly. And then Susie finds out that you fucked her out of ten grand at Mohegan sun, and they are no longer friends and they're fighting, and. But we never know. We don't know what is it. And I'm not saying I want to know what I don't want to know, but a lot of it is opportunities that came from housewives, from the Jill and the Bethany talk show days to. To today. Like, well, why. Why are you so mad that, you know, Lisa Vanderpump is far away. This the. Still the most successful that took this. She did, but she already. But the reason she's so successful is she already had something to market.

[Carlos King]

Yes. Sheena come into the show being broke.

[Heather McDonald]

And trying to sell a candle.

[Carlos King]

No, three wicks are five or seven.

[Heather McDonald]

She was not trying to sell candles or, you know, perfume or whatever. She already had something, and she really utilized it to the umph degree. She didn't just say, come to my restaurant. She opened other restaurants. Now she's in Vegas. She's on a whole nother network.

[Carlos King]

Smart. She's. In my opinion, Lisa Vanderpump is the smartest housewife to do it. In the sense of leveraging the opportunity.

[Heather McDonald]

Absolutely.

[Carlos King]

I don't know too many housewives that has the bragging rights of having two successful shows on two different networks.

[Heather McDonald]

Bethany had a lot of shows, but they weren't successful. I mean, she can brag all she wants. Bethany Frankel is the Donald Trump of.

[Carlos King]

The Housewives in the best way.

[Heather McDonald]

In the most tooting your own horn. In the tooting your own horn way. Let's just be honest. She likes to. I'M the best. I'm the greatest. I'm the one that started this. I'm the. I'm the. I'm the. I'm saying, whether you're a fan of both of them or none of them, there is a strong similarity as far as bragging about what you've done.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And not to say either one of them don't have rights to brag. You can brag, but you're a bragger. You're a bragger for sure. But you're so entertaining. Right? Yes, but. Yeah, so. Right. Well, you're right. Yeah. Her shows actually are extremely. How do you feel about just shoving it in their faces? The shift has changed. Out with the old and in with the new. Polish your silverware, darling. Like, we're coming back. How do you think? What's your prediction of how the world will get into the new Vanderpump cast?

[Carlos King]

I will say this. I will say this. Vanderpump Rules was lighting in a bottle. That cast is similar to the Jersey Shore cast. You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

Totally.

[Carlos King]

Like this group of misfits.

[Heather McDonald]

But real relationships.

[Carlos King]

Real relationships. It was iconic. Um, I'm curious to see if history can repeat itself, but when you do have something that is lightning in a bottle, you sometimes can't strike magic twice. And I think that's going to be everyone's concern about it. Like, are you able to really find a real organic group of friends and have that same level of drama relationships? They're, like, fucking each other. They're cheating on each other. Like, I don't know if that exists anymore also.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, how do you feel now? I really didn't watch the Next Gen. Me neither. But it seemed to have been pretty well received.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And there's talk that there'll be the LA version. Yeah, I think that's pretty much a done deal. And, you know, I think, like, hey, you know, it's the family business. You know, these kids grew up around it. They're already fucked up by it, so you might as well make money at it. Like, it's not like the kid that's in the middle of Minnesota and their whole life is being filmed on YouTube and they're not getting a dollar. And they don't know what to say to their parents and they have no advocacy. Now these kids are grown. What happened, happened, and they might as well make something out of it. And to them, their whole life has been out there. So it's not like I have no privacy. They know how to put the blinders on. They are on social media. How do you feel about that whole.

[Carlos King]

I think it was smart to do it and I think it was smart that. I think Andy said this on his show that the show got greenlit officially when the housewives kids join because again.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm so shocked that someone even started a show and they weren't the anchors.

[Carlos King]

I know, I know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

But it was very smart to add them on because it gave the Bravo audience like, oh, I know these people. I grew up with them. So let me see how they are able to handle being an adult in these situations. Like to see Kim, Zozi at Kandi, Teresa, Giudice, Meredith, their children.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

In their twenties navigate New York City. Like it was smart to do that. So to see it in LA version I think would be even more genius. But that's the world we live in. You want to be able to see the spinoffs of people we love.

[Heather McDonald]

How do you feel about, you know, the Kyle and Morgan of it all? I.

[Carlos King]

Okay. Kyle is my favorite housewife. You know that I love her the most.

[Heather McDonald]

I love her too. I feel like she has given us everything. And whether you feel she wasn't honest enough about the Kyle or not, I don't care. I've talked about it at nauseam. I found it fascinating. I still don't know the truth. I still wonder and think it's intriguing and cool and very, very female that like, you may not be a lesbian forever and you might have just been or. I always think that. I always think that she probably dabbled in some fun with girls with Mauricio.

[Carlos King]

Ooh.

[Heather McDonald]

I think she is sexual and I think that's why she accepted that there was always maybe some stuff going on the side, but he always came home to her and there was nothing, you know, interesting take.

[Carlos King]

I never thought about that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And no, I think she knew her way around a vagina. I don't think this was her first time. I don't think you just all of a sudden like. But maybe you can. And I think she did pursue her and I do think they had something going on. And I think. I think, you know, Morgan is talented. I follow her and I think like her journey.

[Carlos King]

You do?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I follow her. It's a lot of workout. She's getting real buff. It's more workout than singing. It's kind of interesting. And nothing. They don't really hang out or whatever that we see on social media. They might. It might be. We're not going to post. We're not going to go to.

[Carlos King]

I think that's what it is, I think. Look.

[Heather McDonald]

Or they're just friends now.

[Carlos King]

No, I think they're together.

[Heather McDonald]

You still think they hook up?

[Carlos King]

Oh, for sure. Okay, listen. I know tons of women in my life who identified as straight.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And they stumbled upon a woman.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And then they were like, carlos, I like her.

[Heather McDonald]

Hunting Wives. Hello?

[Carlos King]

Hunting Wives, the best scripted show on Netflix right now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

Okay. Books up with that later. Okay. Yeah, I'm obsessed with that show. Okay, fine. Look, so I never, I never took your take on until today, so I want to, like, you know, rest on that for a second. I always believe that Kyle met Morgan and she liked Morgan, and there's something about Morgan that she liked. And when she got Morgan on the show, I strongly believe this is. I, I, I will, I will, like, bet the farm on this. I think Kyle was going to come out, but I think Kyle got nervous. I think once it was leaked on July 4, 2023, I would never forget this day.

[Heather McDonald]

Where were you? Where were you that day? I was.

[Carlos King]

My family came from Michigan. I had on swimming trunks and my phone was blowing up. And they said, get your podcast, because People magazine just revealed that Kyle is with a woman and that her and Mauricio have filed for divorce.

[Heather McDonald]

They have yet to file.

[Carlos King]

I mean, not filed. They were separated. I'm sorry. Thank you for the correction. They were separated.

[Heather McDonald]

They.

[Carlos King]

So I believe that was them testing the waters. And I believe that they had a change of heart once the feedback was more than they could handle and once Morgan was featured on the show. I do believe that Morgan was like, wait a second. This show is bigger than I could ever imagine. And that was just too much limelight for her. I don't think she realized she was dating. And don't read me for this, that she was dating the Britney Spears of Bravo. Kyle is huge.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Carlos King]

You know, like, Kyle is a big, big name.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And I don't think Morgan realized how big Kyle Richards was and how that.

[Heather McDonald]

Would affect her life. Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And that's why the next season, Kyle told everybody, like, I can't bring her name up because Morgan elected not to be mentioned because she couldn't handle the pressures of the pain.

[Heather McDonald]

I also think, just like Matt Rife, the comedian, said, I don't need all these girlfriends. I really like when dudes think I'm funny. I think she was like, I don't need all these housewives. I'm a true country singer. Tattooed, gay, like, country. This is not really the. I don't really need the Tom Sandoval you know, and the extras audience.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, it's cool that I've jumped to another level, but I really don't want to like be known as that.

[Carlos King]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

As their like token tattooed lesbian country singer.

[Carlos King]

But all these middle aged women are lusting after.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So I think that's kind of where she was at. Where she was like, don't talk about me anymore, Kyle. And Kyle was like, okay. I also think Kyle really loves being a wife and a homemaker. I really do. And not only, but with Morgan. Morgan's on the road all the time. Gay, straight, man, woman. I think she wants. I think that's why she's also not saying I'm gay, but also not completely dispelling that there was a romantic relationship because I think she still is. Like, I can see myself being with a man like Kathy and Rick Hilton. Like I was with mauricio into my 70s and 80s making dinner. And I remember when she came on the show, she said, my mom always said, make sure that when your husband comes home that the place, the house is the best place he was all day. Light the candles. Even if you got takeout, you know, make some garlic, like fake a meal. Make like start making some garlic and butter in a pan. Just like reheat the, you know, the Italian food you got taken in. Make him feel spa. And she's like, and that's what I do. I love that.

[Carlos King]

And so I Kathy, that's good advice.

[Heather McDonald]

So I was like, wow. Like, you know, and I still, I think, you know, and I do think she stayed in this probably longer or whatever because of the audience and putting them on a relationship pedestal for so long until it just was she got sober. She just wasn't able to play along. But I do think that she wants that life. She wants Kathy, Rick, all the grandkids coming over.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And knowing where you're at. Not going out. She's not a going out person anymore.

[Carlos King]

She's in bed by 10.

[Heather McDonald]

So my prediction is she will end up in a relationship long lasting, married or not, but longer lasting with a guy.

[Carlos King]

I 100% agree. And, and, and that's the reason why I told my audience on my podcast that the reason why Kyle isn't going to publicly say she's gay is because she really just likes Morgan.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And she doesn't want to be known as a woman who dates other women. This is my opinion. I do not see Kyle Richards ever dating another woman outside of Morgan. I don't see that.

[Heather McDonald]

Me neither.

[Carlos King]

I do not see It.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't see it either. She.

[Carlos King]

At the end of the day, I agree with you. I do see Kyle living happily ever after with a man because I think she's so traditional.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And I think there's just something about that dynamic that will please her for the rest of her life.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I think she had a midlife crisis. And I think for women that can be having moments like, you know, years of bisexuality and getting back and saying. And maybe for guys too. I don't know. I mean, but I think it's like a midlife crisis. I think it's like, I. What was. You know, and luckily, luckily for her, you know, she can't get pregnant. Can't get pregnant.

[Carlos King]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And then be stuck, you know, sweating at Orlando, Florida at 60 years old. Like, a lot of men that have, you know, midlife crisis end up with a young girl and then you're like, how am I starting in a whole nother family at like 65? So, yeah, I think that's what it is.

[Carlos King]

I agree with you. And what I'll say is this. I think the reason why you, I and the general public have struggled with the Kyle storyline is because I think if she would have said everything Heather just said, a lot of middle aged women could relate to it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And I think that's why we are struggling with, like, just own it.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. But it is, you know, it is hard when you have the kids and all that. And it's just hard. And she has. She's given us so much on her life. So it's like. Yes. And, you know, but it is an interesting topic. Okay. You also said Gisele at the reunion. Tell me why Gisele at reunion of Real Housewives of Potomac. What about it?

[Carlos King]

I have gotten so much shit when I named the top 10 greatest housewives of all time back in 2022. And Giselle made the top 10. Listen. And I call her Giselle Kobe Bryant.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And they're like, are you on drugs? Because why are you giving her that much? I've always said, in my opinion, I think Giselle is the face of Potomac. I think Giselle knows how to move story forward. I think she knows how to poke through the holes in the storylines. I think she knows how to activate the cast to give us some good moments. And this reunion, this past reunion, she delivered. She never looked better. She was funny. And she was able to call out Stacey Mia. I mean, she's the reason Mia walked off of the show into her SUV and went to Neverland. So I appreciate the gift that is Gisele Bryant. And to me, she had the best moment at this past Potomac reunion.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I agree. Um, I don't think. I don't think she has. You know, I think she's also smart enough to know that anybody she dates, it's not gonna be on camera.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

If. And also, she might just be like, I don't really care if I ever dated anyone again. You know what I mean? I mean, women of a certain age, everyone thinks, oh, don't you want to date? Don't you want. No, it's like, pretty slim pickings out there. And she did the Love Hotel and she was just. She played along and she was entertaining as hell in that. But no, and I think that other guy, remember, she had that one guy. I think it was such a fake storyline, like, two seasons ago.

[Carlos King]

The, like, summer house kid or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Summerhouse. That felt really. And so I think when they've called her out about her fake boyfriends and stuff, I think that's true. But I get it. Like, you're on a show and you being a huge reality show producer, recognizing that there's a way to be an incredible employee without being life changing behind the scenes, nasty, deceptive, trying to ruin your life. Like, I truly do believe she cares about everybody on that cast. Karen and all those people. Maybe Mia. Mia's just kind of. Because she came in later. And yeah, it's different. I think she really connected. But, like, with the OGs, obviously, with Robyn and everything, for sure.

[Carlos King]

Ashley, like. And I do think she loves Karen, and I just think Giselle delivered wonderfully. I agree with you. I think you will never see a real relationship on that show with Giselle. I think she really liked Sherman. Do you remember Sherman?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Yeah.

[Carlos King]

Like, the second or third season of the show. And he publicly said that again, talking about Morgan. He said he did not realize how big this housewife shit is. And people were, like, digging dirt on him, like, trying to check into his past, and it was too much for him. And he left the relationship.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And I think that hurt Giselle. And I think she realized in that moment I could never bring on someone I truly like than love on this show anymore. Because, listen, the fans do too much. They do too much uncovering.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Carlos King]

And it's hard. Yes, it's hard.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Heather McDonald]

Do you know what the story is with them? Are they all coming back? Are they currently filming? What are we doing with Potomac?

[Carlos King]

They just wrap filming. From my understanding. Stacey is back. They've posted pictures of me.

[Heather McDonald]

Is the only person not back. Mia.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Any new people?

[Carlos King]

They haven't announced any new people yet. But, you know, photos from Tris has been happening. But no. I thought Stacey had a great first season. The TJ thing was weird.

[Heather McDonald]

I thought it was weird, but fucking hilarious too. Like, it was a fun thing to watch. Yes. I do believe she said, listen, we're friends, we've done this thing on qvc. I mean, let's just play along.

[Carlos King]

I agree with you.

[Heather McDonald]

There is no way 1000%. And then even him being like, I was supposed to be paid and all that stuff. And I get it, like, if you're gonna ask someone to fly and do all this stuff and he's a television personality and I don't blame her for doing enough research going, I don't wanna look weird and pathetic and lonely and why not benefit my friend who is gay or straight. I don't know what TJ is, but struggling actor and give him something. But you cannot, as you would know, being a producer, you cannot continue the fakery for more than what, one scene? No more than one fake speed date that the producer brought somebody out from their casting. Rolodex from 10 years ago. And so many times. That's so funny when someone's like, wait, I saw that person on, like.

[Carlos King]

I.

[Heather McDonald]

Saw that person on this reality show from 2005. And you're like, yeah, that person was not interested in Shanna Beador. Like, come on.

[Carlos King]

At all. At all. When we found out that TJ was an actor on Smart Guy.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

Do you know what I mean? Like with Taj Maury, like, what are we doing here? So I think Stacey did everything you said she did. I will say though, she still was a wonderful addition to the show.

[Heather McDonald]

Totally. And just even like her look and even her being such a white, black Barbie, it was fun for us to watch. And it was just like, how she'd be like, oh, like, so Miss America. I love her. Yeah. And what do we think of Boz? What's gonna happen with her?

[Carlos King]

I think Boz had a wonderful. That's okay. I think Bos had a magnificent, magnificent debut season. I love the fact that she came in being like, I'm just here to get to know all of you girls, and I'll make up my mind what I think about you bitches after the fact. I think she came in not being so thirsty. I think she came in the right way to come in, which is, like, strong and had a presence. And I really, really, really appreciate the fact that she gave Dorit a chance. I think her and Dori are a great duo together. I believe their friendship. I was the first one to call out the alliance of Garcelle and Sutton, and the fans dragged me Heather McDonald for three years only to find out that they unfollow each other and they're not friends.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, speaking of that, a juicy scoop. The juicy scoop I believe to be true for good reason, is that breakup is not what Sutton wanted.

[Carlos King]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

She thought it was a real friendship. She's sad that it's not continuing off camera. She has tried, and my thing to her was just, garcelle is a person that makes relationships since she was 20 on set. And this blurred the lines. And when it was over, it was over.

[Carlos King]

Mm.

[Heather McDonald]

And it was over.

[Carlos King]

Interesting take. And you know that being an actress for so long.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like any job, you work at Starbucks with a group of people, and then you leave, and maybe you keep in touch a few months later, but, like, you know, you're not or whatever. But then with a TV show and a reality show, I really felt that Garcelle just was like, I'm fucking Garcelle. I don't need this shit. And this was. I did not feel supported. And once she made her decision. But do I think she could come back in two years and they could make up on camera? Sure.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But it is a weird thing for someone that isn't from the TV world and thought that there was something deeper there, but then played it wrong. I mean, when you think about, like, how many times, like, you've been at a dinner party and something weird is going on and you're like, I'm not stepping in. And then. But it's because it's a TV show. It's like, why didn't you step in you know what I mean? Like, if you're truly being, like, a friend, you'd be like, well, I'm just sitting here. There's cameras here. And I'm like, I don't know. I guess I should have said more. She did go to Garcelle after the taping.

[Carlos King]

I know, but I'm gonna tell you, it's kinda like. But, Heather, I'm tell you what Sutton did wrong.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Carlos King]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Carlos King]

At the end of the day, Sutton, in her real life, wants to be around the cool girls. You know, this living in California. There is something about the Beverly Hills world of wealth and access and exclusivity that you want to be a part of. Garcelle is not a part of that world. Right. The other women are. And what we saw throughout the past two seasons, but especially the last one, was Sutton's desire to be Kyle's bestie. And it was at the expense of her friendship with Garcelle. So I'mma tell you what Sutton did wrong at the reunion when Garcelle left. And like, I'm out of here. I'm not taking a picture. Sutton should have followed her then, but instead she stood there and was like, well, bitch, I'm getting a photo. Like, I'm getting a photo. I'll check on you later. I think if your real friend. And I don't know who your female best friend is.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah.

[Carlos King]

But I will assume if there's a podcast summit.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

And it's your best friend. Right. And you see that she's having a moment. And Andy Cole was like, heather, let's take a photo. I think you're saying, give me a second. Are you okay? Yeah. So I think the fact that she waited too long. But think about it. Heather Sutton waited so long, Garcelle was able to walk to her trailer, take off that dress, put on. Put on her Lululemon, still film, hop in the car, and then leave.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

That's at least 20 minutes.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. And also, when you think about Garcelle's life, you know, being completely cheated on by the husband and calling it out. She doesn't cover for people. And she. When someone fucks them, fucks her over and shows them who they are. Now, of course, she had to work with that man because they're raising the boys, but the reaction that she had, which was she found out he was having a secret affair for five years, and she sent an email out to every single person that remotely knew either one of them in Hollywood and outside of Hollywood, spelling it out, knowing that by Doing that there was no way that she could ever take him back.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know when you find out that someone deceived you, like a boyfriend or a husband, and you decide to blast them? Just know. Or you're doing that so that you don't get sucked in. And she was like, there's no effing way. And so, like. Yeah, I think that's kind of her personality.

[Carlos King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so one of the other things that you wanted to talk about was Mary from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, former church leader. I think it is. Everybody wants, like, it's so clear to me that she's such a fun personality. She's great tv.

[Carlos King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

But I am the only one that is constantly bringing up that she ran a really shady church.

[Carlos King]

Did she? No, I don't. No.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what I'm saying. Nobody talks about it anymore where people.

[Carlos King]

Wait, but is that. Is that true?

[Heather McDonald]

It's all true. It's why she does not part of it anymore. It's like, doesn't even exist anymore because. No, she mar. Okay. Her grandmother ran this church. And this is all alleged, but with great facts. The church had people worshiping and donating, but also that had all these other businesses around it that created a lot of wealth. And then she said, you, my granddaughter, will marry my husband. So she married the step grandpa, leaving out her mom being the heir to this big church. So that's why she doesn't get along with her mom. Then they had the Robert Jr. And they lived a very, very, very wealthy life, taking over all the other businesses that sprung from the church. So I'm not saying anything is illegal here. I'm just saying that's what it was. Then she went to New York for five years and got work done. But then up until. Right up until her filming, and during the filming, she was still on the pulpit preaching. If you watch the first couple seasons, Meredith, she's preaching, and then people. There was audio that came out of her not being nice to the people. I mean, I think she pretty much blocked me, because I've talked about this before. Cause I definitely don't see Mary on.

[Carlos King]

My thing when I say I've never heard this.

[Heather McDonald]

And it was like it was her birthday, and she's yelling at the congregation like, you did not give enough, and all this other stuff. I went to the church in Salt Lake City. I did. And I walked around and I filmed it, and I zoomed in and I saw the photo of the old mom inside of the church. It was like, absolutely not Working. It was like abandoned. And it was just in like, kind of just like a normal neighborhood. And it was a full church. Like, it was where, you know. And now it's just. Yeah, she's. I don't. I don't think she preaches anymore. She doesn't even really talk about, like, being spiritual anymore. You know, it's like, it's. But she's great TV and she's a friend of Meredith and whatever. And I do think this whole thing with her son was really powerful. There's arguments saying that they shouldn't have shared it on tv, but he was an adult and he did. And I thought it was a moment that, you know, is important and very relatable where he shares that he is having addiction issues.

[Carlos King]

Yeah, no, I thought it was great that they were able to share because he is over 18.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

I think below that, I probably would not have wanted to see it. But again, we talk about wanting to see the reality of these people's lives. And again, it's relatable. How many mothers, unfortunately, are going through that? I have nothing but praise for those two for sharing that story.

[Heather McDonald]

I also feel that essentially, whatever her backstory is, I mean, whether she enjoyed the Riches or not, she's not into Robert Sr. She was kind of groomed and set up with him, in my opinion. And so by doing this show, I mean, I think if she ever really wants to come clean about how I don't have this church anymore, it wasn't really what I. I don't know. I want to know more about that and the trajectory of leaving it and doing other things and doing something else. But maybe she doesn't. Maybe she'll just be on the show and make appearances and do stuff.

[Carlos King]

You know, Barbara's not on the show pretty much anymore. No.

[Heather McDonald]

And then she's like so like, funny and like snooty and like her eyes and. I mean, she is great tv. Some producer told me that they had a whole show ready to go in Salt Lake City and the network was going to take it. And then they heard we're gonna go with Real Housewives of Salt Lake City instead because we have a woman who married her step grandpa. I did. And they're like, there's no way with that our little cute millennial 40 year old families can compete with that. It was just like these new. No, we're gonna go this route.

[Carlos King]

Hey, smart move.

[Heather McDonald]

Agree.

[Carlos King]

Yeah. And Salt Lake City to me is up there. It's kind of number two.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. What's number one? Beverly Hills.

[Carlos King]

I think OC Is having the best season ever.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, cool.

[Carlos King]

I think O.C. is fantastic. Salt Lake City is wildly entertaining because.

[Heather McDonald]

They all are entertaining on their own. They are, they, they are all funny and they come out with great lines, whether they. There was. Oh, did you see Todd of Think out of Miami? Todd is married to Alexia. He did a 10 minute video. I watched a little TikTok summary on it. Basically, he's furious. He doesn't like how he's being portrayed. He says he was a great stepdad to Frankie. He again miscalculated how big this was going to be. Once again, doesn't like the audience coming after him. Doesn't like that the cast members are saying things that he, you know, rents an apartment, that he's not successful because he just bought a $26 million shopping center. All this kind of stuff. Did you watch it and what did you think of that 10 minute video?

[Carlos King]

I did watch it, I think. Look, Todd, listen, I understand that for a husband of a Real Housewife, where you don't get to share your point of view as often because you're not the main person on the show, you're not the main story in terms of getting confessionals. So I understand his frustrations because, look, everybody in Alexia's life is pretty much saying to her, like, get rid of this asshole and you deserve better. And that is a tough pill to swallow if we don't know what's going on. Because Alexia, who I love, is not telling us much of what happened. She's making it seem like she woke up one day and Todd said, I'm leaving you. But you and I both know it doesn't work out that way.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Carlos King]

So I understand his frustration. I get it. As a logical person, would I have done a 10 minute video? No. Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

But I think for him, those women, I watched the show and I love Miami, they're not kind when it comes to describing Todd.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Carlos King]

And because we're not getting the entire story.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

I would be frustrated too, if you were Todd. Oh, 1,000%. Because Alexia, based on what we're seeing, she's not really defending him.

[Heather McDonald]

And then what do you feel about him threatening to sue Bravo?

[Carlos King]

I mean, that's just silly.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, you signed.

[Carlos King]

There's no grounds. You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. You can't control what someone else says about you. And they've all. I, you know, they all sign those things.

[Carlos King]

They sign the release. And based on what I've seen, I don't think those ladies have Said anything disparaging that could ruin his business.

[Heather McDonald]

No, no one's gonna not do work with him.

[Carlos King]

Yeah, if you're good at your job, you're good at your job. You live in Florida.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

Like, if you're good at your job, you're good. So I understand the frustration, but threatening a lawsuit? I think he took it too far.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Okay. What is gonna happen with Kenya? And we talked a lot about it on the show, where she reveals at an event that her nemesis, who's new to the show, did sexual things on camera. In which she went to Michael's and printed it out and put it on a board like you're about to do a seventh grade science project and showed it. And then only to find out, according to her, Brit, it wasn't even her in the first place.

[Carlos King]

I know, it's crazy. You can't make this shit up. This woman got Lego meaning Kenya.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

Because the photos she showed was explicit in nature and allegedly was Brit. Brit is now saying after the season wrapped, after all the episodes have aired, that wasn't me.

[Heather McDonald]

I believe I'm lost. Okay. I believe Brit. I think that it was the ultimate gaslighting. I think she knew that in her past, she probably. She did have these out, whether it was an ex boyfriend or she willingly did webcam work or whatever. So when she heard about it, because, remember, she wasn't there, they were like, hey, she brought out these photos and all this stuff in front of everybody. She was like so horrified. Then they get rid of Kenya, and she continues to doing the season, and for whatever reason probably was done with it was like, I'm not ever gonna go do this show again. And then to discover that it wasn't even her. Then I also do think, like, oh my God, like, think about what she's been through. Like, I think not enough people realize, like the gaslighting that happens on a housewife thing where everybody accuses you of something. If it turned out that Brooks actually proved he had full blown cancer and they put Vicki through that, and then like three months later, without a doubt, it was a pile on thing, she would have a reason to be like, oh, my God, I was telling the fucking truth. I can't believe you put me through that. So it's like, I mean, I had something like that happen too, where people said, oh, I. I stole these $10,000 earrings. I lost one of them. I thought they were real. I paid the girl the money. I found out they were worth $42 six weeks later. But I really thought I lost an important earring, and I really felt like shit about it. And I really felt like. And it was, like, on other podcasts and people making videos about it and all this stuff. And then after the fact, everyone's like, that old story, you know, like. And you're like, yeah, but, like, I'm.

[Carlos King]

Out of thousands of dollars.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Like, I'm. But also just like, oh, my God, I felt shitty because I believed this. So I kind of found that whole thing interesting again. She's suing for, like, $20 million. I don't know. I think those lawsuits are very hard. What do you think about Brandi Glanville and her parasite face named Caroline?

[Carlos King]

What?

[Heather McDonald]

She named it Caroline Manzo. Yeah, she named the parasite Caroline Manzo.

[Carlos King]

Are you serious?

[Heather McDonald]

And she just came out with another tweet today.

[Carlos King]

What did she say?

[Heather McDonald]

She said, oh, when my kids were way underage, they were on a Skype with somebody who said, I can't wait for you to turn 18, you're so good looking. And someone said, who's. Why were your kids on a. Why were your underage kids on a Skype with an adult man? And then she wrote, he was my boss.

[Carlos King]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

But the audience is like, all right, all right. There's no proof to it. It's Skype. It doesn't even exist anymore. I mean, what did happen to Skype?

[Carlos King]

That's the biggest question we need to know. Netflix, do investigate if we're gonna really.

[Heather McDonald]

If we're gonna really figure out that if Covid came from. I think Covid came from the Zoom headquarters. That's where Covid came from. Cause that was, like, the day I discovered Zoom. It was like my first.

[Carlos King]

Was it really?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I was like, am I doing Skype? And someone's like, no, you should just do Zoom. And I'm like, wait, what? And then that was it. Nobody talk about Skype again.

[Carlos King]

You are hilarious. Listen, Brittany Glanville will forever be an iconic addition to a housewife's world. Right?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

What's happening to her face? Obviously, I feel I have empathy for her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, totally.

[Carlos King]

I hope she gets the best help she deserves. Right. I don't know what it's like to have something that you thought was going to last forever stripped away from you.

[Heather McDonald]

The career. The reality show career.

[Carlos King]

You know, like, based on the fact that it did appear that Brandi had a second win.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Carlos King]

Based on the success of Ultimate Girls Trip. Based on revealing that her and Denise Richards allegedly had some, you know, an affair, if you will. And to know that you are being accused of something. There's a lawsuit involved. You're not working right now. I feel bad for her. Right. But I think just sort of like you said, like, dropping these sort of, like, nuggets, I just don't know how that's going to help you. Because unless I got it wrong, I'm assuming the parasite isn't that. I believe she said this right. It was caused from stress.

[Heather McDonald]

No, she. I think she's insinuating that it happened when she was in Morocco. I think she. Everything she's trying to do is trying to build a case that Bravo should, you know, be responsible for something. But I'm just saying that.

[Carlos King]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And because the parasite thing, I don't understand. And so. But then I. Who knows? Yeah.

[Carlos King]

No, it's just.

[Heather McDonald]

It is a sad situation because she was so beautiful and she could be beautiful again. But I mean, I just think her spirit's crushed and, you know, and her.

[Carlos King]

Confidence and all that stuff. And again, I thought she's like.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's still Brandy in writing a tweet like that, you know?

[Carlos King]

Yeah. And I just. And the reason why I brought up this stress cause is because I just don't want her to do anything else to cause more stress. I think. I think her focus should be on getting healed.

[Heather McDonald]

I totally agree. Carlos. This was so fun.

[Carlos King]

I'm glad we did this.

[Heather McDonald]

This was so fun. Thanks for taking the time out to come and tell everybody about all the shows you have, your podcast, and your original content that you are in charge of.

[Carlos King]

Yeah. So my podcast, Reality with the King is on YouTube. Wherever you get your podcast. We have like four episodes a week. We recap a lot of Bravo shows. We have interviews. My show, Love and Huntsville every Saturday on own. And yes, just follow me on all social platformscarlosking.

[Heather McDonald]

And he's also very inspirational.

[Carlos King]

Thank you, Boo. Thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

So guys, remember, it's all happening tomorrow. Juicy Crimes. What you're gonna do is you're gonna go to the link in the description to Juicy Crimes. You're gonna click on that to subscribe. It drops tomorrow. Wednesday, September 3rd. Go do it right now.

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