Chris Franjola, AI Wives, Nepo Babies and Bad Movies

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Chris Franjola, AI Wives, Nepo Babies and Bad Movies
Date: October 23, 2025
Host: Heather McDonald
Guest: Chris Franjola

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Heather McDonald welcomes comedian (and fan favorite guest) Chris Franjola. Together, they spill the tea on Halloween antics, AI “wives,” reality TV culture, nepo babies trying out showbiz, the evolution of bad movie marketing, and more. The tone is playful, irreverent, and loaded with comedic asides, with Heather's signature blend of juicy pop culture commentary and behind-the-scenes showbiz anecdotes.

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Main Discussion Topics

1. Halloween Traditions & Neighborhood Shenanigans

• Family Costumes & Country Club Events
  • Chris shares that his family is doing a group Halloween costume this year.
  • Heather debates attending her new community's “Freaky Friday Night” at the country club, noting that it's parent-friendly (drinking, themed golf carts, In-N-Out trucks) even if kid-focused.
• Schlegel House Reference
  • Chris defines “Schlegel” as that slightly unkempt house in every nice neighborhood (04:30), and jokes that Heather’s family risks becoming “the Schlegel” due to ongoing home renovations.
  • Heather describes a creative Halloween candy distribution plan inspired by home improvement: Kids will earn candy by moving dirt in the backyard (06:14).

2. Vegas, Nightlife, and Shrinking Cocktail Glasses

• Report from Las Vegas (08:47)
  • Chris rejects “ghost town” rumors; Vegas nightlife is busy, with trends swinging back to “slutty” fashion and away from giant pants and sneakers.
• Shrinking Cocktail Glassware (09:46)
  • Heather rants about restaurants serving tiny martinis and cosmos:

    “Each sip is worth like a dollar fifty!” – Heather (10:21)

3. Comedy, Fame, and Road Stories

• Billboards and Marquee Misspellings (11:18)
  • Heather discusses the fleeting glory of seeing her own show billboards before they’re swapped out for other acts.
  • Chris shares his marquee mishaps:

    “I went one time and my name was Frank Frangiola... Then I went back out and they changed it to Chis. Did you really think my name was Chis?” – Chris (12:13)

4. Cancel Culture, Comedy “Pile-Ons,” and Social Media

• Kristen Bell’s Controversial Joke (13:34)
  • Discuss the backlash to Kristen Bell’s attempt at an edgy anniversary joke referencing “killing” her husband, and the perils of social media outrage cycles.
    • “This is just prolonging a joke that just flopped.” – Heather (14:22)
    • “Everybody these days loves a pile on... once they see blood in the water” – Chris (16:04)
• Heather on Corrections & Criticism:
  • She’s stopped agonizing over minor mistakes:

    “I do four shows a week. Leave me the fuck alone.” – Heather (16:53)

• Chris on Online Pedantry:

  “I’d like to think I have more going on, you know, I’m too busy.” – Chris (17:22)

5. Viral Story Corrections & Pop Culture Catch-Up

• Fake Pregnancy TikTok Drama (20:34)
  • Update: The “mom with fake pregnancy and baby” story was a hoax—she even tricked the boyfriend into grieving a doll.

    “You’re trying to get, like, DNA testing on a doll, and they’re like, it’s rubber.” – Heather (20:55)

• Jennifer Aniston, SNL, and Fame Gossip (22:39 – 28:38)
  • Aniston’s claim she turned down SNL because of “how women were treated”; Heather is skeptical, shares her own Groundlings audition war stories.

6. Parenting, Childlessness, and Life Reflections

• Childless Acceptance (28:28)
  • Jennifer Aniston’s public comments about never becoming a mother spark honest reflections.
  • Chris:

    “As a guy who had a child late in life—congratulations to all of you who are childless!” (29:06)

  • Heather: “Don’t ever give up, because it can get better.” (30:27)

7. Working with Celebrities: After Lately, Guest Stars, Chelsea Handler Stories

• Recollections of their time on “After Lately” (writer’s room awkwardness, the struggle to land celebrity guests, and the ‘star struck’ roles).

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Technology & Culture

8. AI Wives, Clones, and the Creepy Tech Future

• Suzanne Somers AI Doll (33:35)
  • Somers’ widower claims he’s created a life-size AI-powered version of her, able to “answer as Suzanne” by ingesting her media; Chris is blunt:

    “There’s only one reason you’d have one of these. It’s not to talk about Real Housewives, it’s to fuck it.” – Chris (37:29)

• Future of AI & Realness
  • Heather predicts people will crave real in-person connection as AI and social media get more fake (39:23).
  • Chris mentions a trend of people giving up dating apps and returning to real-life meetups.

9. The Nepo Baby Dilemma

• Apple Martin’s Viral Singing Video (64:35)
  • Heather and Chris discuss the double-edged sword of being a celebrity’s child pursuing showbiz:

    “Nobody ever talks about the downside of being a nepo baby... if you do have a desire to do something in your parent’s world.” – Heather (65:08)

  • Advantages are real, but so are public expectations and scrutiny.

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TV, Reality, and Pop Culture

10. The Golden Bachelor and Reality TV Backfires

• Heather’s Friend Maya & The Bachelor Franchise (40:31)
  • “Golden Bachelor” is tanking in ratings.

    “All I can think about watching it… is these women crying over this gray-haired guy.” – Heather (40:57)

  • Behind the scenes: Most contestants try to leverage reality TV into a career, but the fame and influencer money rarely last (43:42).

    “When you find the love of your life on a dating game... The job is them being on TV.” – Heather (43:41)

11. Dating Shows: Heather & Chris Go Old School

• Both recount their appearances on classic TV dating shows (“Studs,” “The Dating Game”), revealing awkward moments, producer manipulation, and their surprising influence on their careers (44:39 – 52:19).
  • “I won. I went to Guadalajara on the Dating Game, but never saw the girl... she brought her boyfriend.” – Chris (46:16)
  • “I have got to make this a career.” – Heather, realizing she loved public recognition after her “Studs” episode (52:00)

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Movie Mayhem & Bad Titles

12. What’s Wrong with Movies Lately?

• Flops, Titles, and Bad Marketing (56:23)
  • Big-budget films with vague or terrible titles (“One Battle After Another,” “Begonia,” etc.) are bombing.

    “Advertising for movies is worse than ever.” – Chris (57:03)

  • Heather:

    “Why did we get away from movies like infidelity leading to murder in New York on a cold day?” (58:07)

• Iconic Movie Moments
  • They discuss “The Crying Game” twist and why old-school sexy thrillers (e.g., “Unfaithful”) are so compelling—with shout-outs to JLo regretting not taking the Diane Lane role (60:20).

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Serial Killers, Docs, and True Crime

13. True Crime Culture & Docuseries Boom

• Netflix, Pitching Docs, and Kids Today (72:01)

  • Heather wonders how Netflix gets so many docuseries so fast; Chris explains they’re often bought from outside producers.
  • Reflection on how younger people now see famous crime stories only through documentary TikToks.

• Dateline Interview Tips

  • Keith Morrison revealed to Heather that they now dress prison interviewees in “civilian clothes” to avoid spoiling the suspense (73:33).

• John Wayne Gacy Anecdote

  • Chris shares a story of a friend who interviewed Gacy in prison and was threatened with death during a lockdown (74:16).

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Reality TV, Gossip, and Random Juicy Bits

14. Baldwin Family Fallout (53:40)

• Heather speculates about Ireland Baldwin’s cryptic post about “toxic family,” linking it to felt exclusion by cousins at childhood holidays.

  “Too many people are holding a revenge for a dumb childhood bully who was 10.” – Heather (54:33)

15. The “Gout Dick Sucker” Real Housewives Insult (75:21)

• Analysis and riffing on the most bizarre reality TV insult lately, with debates over what “gout dick sucker” could possibly mean.

  “I don’t think the dick has gout. It’s your feet.” – Chris (76:34)

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Closing Highlights

16. Social Media: Blessing, Curse, and Golden Handcuffs

• Both discuss never-ending pressure to promote themselves on Instagram/TikTok, contrasted with envy for people who can “turn it all off” and live phone-free (80:29).

  “It is truly our version of golden handcuffs—you can’t not do it.” – Heather (81:46)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Kristen Bell Controversy:
  “Just take down the post... nobody remembers.” – Chris (14:08)

• On Halloween Costumes:
  “This might be my last slut year—but I’ve said that every year.” – Heather (07:21)

• On AI Wives:
  “You didn’t make that just to talk about Three’s Company.” – Chris (37:43)

• On Movie Marketing:
  “Advertising for movies is worse than it’s ever been.” – Chris (57:03)

• On Nepo Babies:
  “That’s an easier nepo path than stand-up or singing.” – Heather (65:27)

• On Social Media Fatigue:
  “I don’t think you can do what we do without it... It’s our version of golden handcuffs.” – Heather (81:46)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:08 – Chris arrives; Halloween discussion begins
• 09:46 – Tiny martini glass rant
• 11:18 – Marquee/billboard mishaps
• 13:34 – Kristen Bell's joke controversy
• 20:34 – Fake baby/TikTok pregnancy drama
• 22:39 – Jennifer Aniston SNL & fame gossip
• 28:28 – Childless acceptance and parenting grind
• 33:35 – Suzanne Somers AI wife
• 37:29 – “Let’s be real, it’s for sex” (AI dolls)
• 40:31 – Golden Bachelor and reality TV reflections
• 44:39 – Dating game show memories
• 56:23 – Bad movies and titles
• 60:20 – JLo's role regrets & classic movies
• 64:35 – Apple Martin, Nepo babies, and career traps
• 73:33 – Dateline interview tricks
• 76:34 – “Gout dick sucker” Real Housewives insult
• 80:29 – Social media grind
• 81:46 – The “golden handcuffs” of influencer culture

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Overall Vibe

A free-flowing, irreverent, and unfiltered ride through headline gossip, comedy, and cultural gripes. Both Heather and Chris blend personal stories with sharp pop culture commentary, willing to poke fun at themselves and public figures alike. Listeners get exclusive behind-the-scenes perspective, classic showbiz gossip, and the kind of juicy banter that’s both relatable and laugh-out-loud funny.

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Transcript

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[Chris Frangola]

Listen in.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen up. Panda McDonald's juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I don't even know if they deserve this. I don't know that the Juicy Scoopers, the juicy crying people, I don't know if they deserve the joy that is coming to you right now. It is your favorite, the one, the only Chris Frangola.

[Chris Frangola]

Thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

Hilarious. Wearing a fall look.

[Chris Frangola]

Fall. Yeah, Fall delight, as you would say.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. And you. Not that anyone would ever not finish this episode, but at the end we will be featuring Chris Halloween costume.

[Chris Frangola]

My Halloween cousins that will be wearing this Halloween as part of a family costume. We've become those people now where we all dress as a family. You'll see what it's gonna be.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, you asked what I have going on on Halloween. Yes, well, this Friday as in tomorrow. Cause air is Thursday. There is in my new community. There is at our country club and a freaky Friday night. Oh, and at first I wasn't gonna go. I was actually gonna do like a girls weekend in La Quinta. But then people kept saying, you've gotta go. You've got. I go, isn't it kind of kid like. Like, isn't there little kids? They're like, it is, but you have to see it. They're like families dress up like each. Like each other.

[Chris Frangola]

Like the movie. Like, you switch bodies.

[Heather McDonald]

No, no, no. It's just a Halloween theme. But they're like, there's a maze and there's a this and there's a that. And they're like, the parents drink and like. And if you have a really little kid, you can't drink that much. But all the other people that have older kids, like, well, I don't really have any kid coming. But then my other girlfriend was like, I don't know. She's like, I've got nothing to do Friday. I'm like, I just think we should need to go and see it.

[Chris Frangola]

All right.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm like, okay. So I have my. You know, I'm still debating on the costumes. Oh, I still. I have a costume that came in.

[Chris Frangola]

Are you going all out or are you going to have half ass?

[Heather McDonald]

So then next Friday, the real Halloween, our community goes off too. So you walk to the street and there's a real party to go to on Halloween night. Yes. And the rumors that I've heard is that there are like, there's bars for the adults for the trick or treating. Everyone is on their golf carts.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

There is In N Out burger trucks for treats, man. So anyway, Drake had a great idea.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

We, as you said last time you were at our house, today we're in the studio in Burbank because we do both. And I don't know what I'm doing with the future. Okay, whatever. But Peter took on a project at the house. Yes. That probably is. You probably underestimated. What did you call this again?

[Chris Frangola]

The Schlegels.

[Heather McDonald]

The Schlegels.

[Chris Frangola]

The Schlegels. Just a little bit of backstory. They're person in my neighborhood I grew up in, where every neighborhood has one. You know, it's just no matter how nice the neighborhood, there's one house that's a little bit, you know, schlegel y. It's the only way. And that was the neighbor. They have, like a workout bench on the front lawn. You know, they have indoor furniture. Furniture is meant for the indoors. They have it outside. You know, like, why not? It's a couch.

[Heather McDonald]

A couch that actually on the end has, like, the lounge chair. Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

And it could work on the patio as well.

[Heather McDonald]

Drinks that Are stuck in the.

[Chris Frangola]

Yes, yes, yes. So. So that's a schlegel. And I think I said, you guys don't become the schlegel of your new neighborhood.

[Heather McDonald]

Speaking of those couches, I just happened to watch Sister wise, and I haven't in a long time, and Cody's down to his last wife, and they're moving, and they're trying to, like, move the all. The show's been on for 25 seasons, and 17 seasons feature them moving. They've moved so many times. Okay. And as they're moving, Cody's, like, getting out that, like, saran wrap stuff for, like, the couch pieces. And it's all those couches that. Each one. It has a plug.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like a massage piece and, like, reclines. And it has the drinks in it.

[Chris Frangola]

As if it's a trashy look. I know.

[Heather McDonald]

It's horrible. And I'm like, oh. I know. If I, like, research people's comments, they definitely were talking. And he's wrapping it. I'm like, I don't think you need to wrap it. Yeah, I think it's gonna be fine just throwing it in the truck.

[Chris Frangola]

I've never been that thirsty that I need my drink, like, next to me at all.

[Heather McDonald]

In the thing.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, in the thing. Like, I don't need. I don't need a cuff holder in my couch.

[Heather McDonald]

I think I'm good anyway, so. Yes. So then. Yeah. So that's why I've definitely going.

[Chris Frangola]

So what did Peter take on? What is the.

[Heather McDonald]

It is a thing in our backyard. Just tricksy steps going down. Where you can go down to the golf course. It's wood. I don't know, but there's a dirt. And so Drake goes. And it's taking a long time with the men that we got.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And so Drake said, I have a great idea for Halloween this year, Mom. I go, what? He goes, when the kids come, we're just gonna give them a home depot bucket. And if they take the dirt that's on our driveway and bring it down to the area in the backyard and dump it, then they'll get a free candy bar. Oh.

[Chris Frangola]

So you have to put them to work.

[Heather McDonald]

So you have to get them to work. And he goes. And it'll be spooky. It'll look like a scary maze that you could, like, fall and roll down the hill on.

[Chris Frangola]

Not a bad idea.

[Heather McDonald]

Not if we try to make the best of everything.

[Chris Frangola]

So that'll be fun. So what is your costume going to be? I got.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, I don't know if I want to announce it, because I got it came in. It's one that I've worn before, but it's a cheaper version of it. Someone's trying to figure it out. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know if I can pull this off.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, like, I thought it might be my last slut year, but I've said that, like, every year.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, is it slut again?

[Heather McDonald]

It's a little bit slut. And then. Then I was like. Then when I went to Brandi and Julie's show in San Francisco, which is like this horror dance show, Nightmare on Strip Street.

[Chris Frangola]

A what? Horror dance show.

[Heather McDonald]

Horror. Like, horror movies. And then the dancers, like, do the.

[Chris Frangola]

I think you said whores were dancing.

[Heather McDonald]

Horror, which would also be fun. They were kind of horrors, but they were great dancers, great bodies. Anyway, I was like, ooh, do I want to do Megan? The Megan costume?

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, Megan the doll. Yeah, like that doll. Maybe I should do Megan Markle Gap shirt with the collar off.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe. I kind of want to do something. I'm. I'm hoping that something would come to me, like, funny, like, last minute.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

That I could pull together. Cause I do have wigs and things that aren't, like, you know, something like trashy lingerie. Ish. Like, I just want something kind of like, oh, that's clever. Like, I don't know. So, yeah, it kind of. We were both, like, Drake was with me, and we were both like, I don't know. Now I feel like I want to do something scary.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

Which I've never really done.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay, that's a good one, Megan.

[Heather McDonald]

I'll just go with no makeup on.

[Chris Frangola]

That'll do it. Yeah. That's fun.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. So it'll be exciting. We're doing all of that. All right, let's get into some topics. Oh, but I was saying San Francisco, because I said, how was Vegas?

[Chris Frangola]

I was in Las Vegas.

[Heather McDonald]

You were in Las Vegas. And I'm like, you hear these things. It's dead. Nobody's around. It's a ghost town. And what was your perception?

[Chris Frangola]

I was boy from Las Vegas. Was. It seemed. It seemed like it was still going. Like, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm an old man now. But they. You could still have a good time in Las Vegas if you wanted to. I mean, every. I watched these kids going into the club and the MGM line. I mean, oh, my God line. But everyone's just, you know, 18 years old. It looks like I'm happy to Say, you're speaking of slutty outfits. They're back. Everybody was wearing. Yeah. Like, a lot of the giant pants seem to be gone.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. Thank God.

[Chris Frangola]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

I have been praying.

[Chris Frangola]

And the sneakers and the big white sneakers seem to be gone. I mean, this is in Vegas, so it's a little different.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, if you're going to a nightclub.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. So they were still. They were all out.

[Heather McDonald]

We gotta get the kids back into going out and getting drunk. However, I noticed a new thing in going out.

[Chris Frangola]

What's that?

[Heather McDonald]

Cause we went, you know, we were out in San Francisco, and then last night we went to a really good restaurant for McKenzie's birthday in Sherman Oaks. And have you noticed, if you order a drink, like a martini or something, it is in the fucking tiniest glass I have ever seen.

[Chris Frangola]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

They are like. It's like a joke. This has now happened the last few times I've gone to a restaurant and ordered, like a Cosmo. In the past, a Cosmo was like this. Okay.

[Chris Frangola]

Nice size martini glass shirt.

[Heather McDonald]

Sometimes if you're at a good place, they'll even give you the leftover sidecar.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Now the drink is literally like. Like so small. It's just. Now, they do fill it up to the rim, but so then you're like, like. Because, you know, like, each sip is worth like a dollar fifty. So you're like, like, I don't want any to slip. I mean, it's the glassware.

[Chris Frangola]

I haven't noticed. I mean, I don't go out much, but.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I don't know. But anyway, I'll keep an eye on Good times, good food. Okay, so. But yes, San Francisco, where we were, financial district, walking around down to the water. Pretty clean.

[Chris Frangola]

I agree, too. I was just there and I said it on my. I went on Instagram and said it. I'm like, I don't know. I've heard horror stories, but it seems pretty nice. Now. Listen, like, every big city, I'm sure there's corners you go down.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, there's a scary part, but at least I'm just saying, you know, you watch these things and it's like, no. So I'm excited. Of course I will be in Las Vegas November 14th and gonna have so much fun. It's gonna be Bravicon weekend, that Friday night. Get your tickets at Heather's.

[Chris Frangola]

There's a lot of billboards for it. I was in where you're going to be the mga, and there's just billboards everywhere.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why I'm coming in Thursday because sometimes, you know when you go to a show and you get to the city and they've already removed your billboard because the next day there's somebody else. So I wanna get there at least one day before my show just so I can. I always used to say if I had a billboard for a month, I'd just go have Chinese chicken salad next to it. Every day I just need to soak in all the moments. Cause I'm always like, this could be my last. This could be my last.

[Chris Frangola]

Leaving a comedy club and they're taking your name down. Like they have the guy out there, it's like midnight and he's already pulling your name down and putting up Bruce, Bruce or something.

[Heather McDonald]

But I'm saying I've gone and my name's already been gone. Because they're like, oh, the show's sold out or it's eight o', clock, we don't need to promote you anymore. We wanna promote Joe Schmo in two days. And I'm like, well, I would have liked to have taken a photo in front of my thing Luann De Lesseps does.

[Chris Frangola]

But I went one time and my name was Frank Frangiola on the marquee. So I said, well, my name is. I'm not Frank Frangiola. And I said, oh, we're sorry. I said, I'm Chris. So then I went back out and they changed Frank to Chiss C H I S. And I was like, I said Chris. He goes, you didn't say Chis? I'm like, did you really think my name was Chis? Like, I never even heard that.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, they finally got it as a stand up comic. Like there are so many times I'm just, I literally get to the place, I'm like, way to make me feel any way to make me feel less special. Yeah, Less special, less important, less everything.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. It's bad enough you just got to mention the name of the places, you know, like, it's not funny Bone and all the chuckles. And then your name's misspelled. You can't just. The humbling never ends.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, I've definitely had Heather MacDonald many times. Yes. Okay, Kristen Bell. This came out, we talked about it a couple days ago. She tried to be funny, right? And did a post about her husband being married for 12 years. And you know, to the man that said he wanted to always kill me, but he didn't. Whatever, some dumb joke like that. And everyone's like, really went after her on social media. So I thought it was interesting that she, like, didn't remove it.

[Chris Frangola]

She didn't remove it.

[Heather McDonald]

Then she. But she did do the comments. Limit the comments. And then today, according to Us Weekly, is the reason they believe that she skipped out onto the Today Show. She was supposed to be on the Today show promoting her new. You know, her TV show, which. Nobody wants this. Yeah. And she just didn't come. And it's like, I just want to tell people. This stuff goes by so quickly.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it's like, just take down the. Just take down the post.

[Chris Frangola]

Right. And nobody remembers.

[Heather McDonald]

And if they went on and then if they go on the Today show, go. Yeah, sometimes things don't land right.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm really sorry. Just trying to be funny. It wasn't funny. End of story.

[Chris Frangola]

That's it.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe we'll find out. No, her kid was sick and blah, blah, blah. They'll give out some other excuse. But this, to me is just, like, prolonging a joke that just flopped.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. The funny thing I found out about it, or there was, like, she did, like, four jokes in a row that had, like, a. Like, a domestic violence spin to them. And I thought there was several times where you could have stopped and went, like, I don't know. This one feels. But I don't know. One line I got. But there was four lines of like. And, you know, some people kill their wives. And I was like, I don't know. I feel like it was a little.

[Heather McDonald]

Too much, you know, really. It really is. And it really. You know, we all can make fun of. Like, the way I kind of make fun of Dateline is more making it about me that, like, if I went missing, it would be nice for someone to finally, like, get my videos all together and put it, like, I'd like to live. Like, if I just went missing. And then they were. Put it all together in a beautiful montage of when I was young and, like, did the reel that I've been wanting to do that I'm too lazy to do.

[Chris Frangola]

Like, not so, like.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I think it would be good.

[Chris Frangola]

If you got murdered just to get a good editor.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Just to get, like, a real good producer and editor on it that, like, isn't gonna be annoyed. Yeah. No, but. So it's like, we've all made jokes about it, but, yeah. Sometimes it just. You have to think about, why can this kind of edgy thing be funny? And it's not gonna make you think about a husband actually killing his wife when so many have. So, like. Yeah, but I feel. Yeah. Sometimes don't land. Like, that's life.

[Chris Frangola]

But also, I think everybody these days loves a pile on.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Frangola]

You know, so once they start seeing blood in the water. Yes, I'm guilty of it myself. You know, I don't care about Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard, but I said, now. I'm like, ah, how dare they? What do I care? But, yeah, so I feel like one now. Now. Now you start reading about it. Now everybody's involved.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, there definitely has come a time in the last few years where, like, I would say something that then someone would write or I'd see that they picked apart something I said on here that could be interpreted as insensitive or incorrect or wrong. And then you do just get to a point where I'm just like, whatever.

[Chris Frangola]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I mean, I'm sorry. Like, this is. Again, I said over it again. This is comedic conversation podcast. This is. No, I don't have a. Do your research. No, I know I don't. I read the articles.

[Chris Frangola]

That's the beauty. I don't remember people's names.

[Heather McDonald]

This is not. You're not watching a news report. This is not ABC Tonight. Like, just whatever. If I get it wrong, that's fine. Put in the comments. You were wrong. You said it was Bella Hadid when it was Gigi Hadid. You're right, I was wrong. Sometimes I listen back to it. I'm like, oh, Heather, you said Vanessa Williams instead of Venus Williams. Because I'm fucking going off the top of my head. I do four shows a week. Leave me the fuck alone. I just like, but it's okay, but do correct me. And then I'm like, oh, thanks, that's fine.

[Chris Frangola]

I never felt the need to correct anybody online. I don't think. I don't think I've ever gone, excuse me, it was Bella Hadid, Gigi. I don't know. I'd like to think that I have more going on and, you know, I'm too busy.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't even care. But it's good to finally just get to a place where I used to be like, oh, my God, let me do a correction. And then I was like, no, corrections are lame. Because the correction, four days later, like, we've already moved on. So just, you know, get over yourselves.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Frangola]

The whole thing was fake.

[Heather McDonald]

The whole thing was fake.

[Chris Frangola]

And did the boyfriend know it was fake the whole time?

[Heather McDonald]

No. She even told them that the baby died. So then he was mourning a fake pregnancy.

[Chris Frangola]

Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

And a fake baby doll. It was a baby doll and she has come out and admitted yes. That she bought one of those expensive dolls and that she was sorry, you know.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

But I mean, yeah, Matt, you're trying to get, like, DNA testing on a doll, and they're like, it's rubber. You're like, can you just take this tooth, this Q tip, and just make sure that this baby that hasn't moved anytime? And then, like. And they said, oh, it was cold or something. So I was like, oh, she's so cold. And she's like, she has a cold. I'm like, usually when you have a.

[Chris Frangola]

Cold, we found a target price tag on your child's foot, and we're concerned. Oh, man.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. So there's a little update. Okay. Jen Aniston went on Dax Shepard's show before. Before his wife was typing away something hilarious.

[Chris Frangola]

I know. That's the other thing. Like, they seem like a couple that just. You know what? Everybody take them down.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's Blake Lively and Ryan that really want to be standups and really think they're funny, and they love funny people, but they're just not that funny. I guess I won't be asked to be on Deck Shepard's show anytime soon.

[Chris Frangola]

But here's what it becomes. I believe you're surrounded by yes people. You know what I mean? When you're Kristen Bell. And so the assistant goes, that is. That's so funny.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God, you kill me. You guys are the cutest people.

[Chris Frangola]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

But we're not a perfect couple. That's what we're saying. We're stars. Just like, yeah, well, we've all been.

[Chris Frangola]

Yes people at one time or another in our lives. You know, seven and a half years, you and I, we've had to do it a lot. And, you know, it's one of those things where you just say. And then. So they're like, oh, okay, I'll put it on there. My friends thought it was funny, but there were times when I tell you.

[Heather McDonald]

Speaking of which, there were times when I wasn't the yes person, and I'd be like, mm. And then I realized, yeah, that isn't great.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You think that the person wants the truth, and you think you can go, well, you know, I don't know that David Letterman would be doing that. I don't know why you'd be doing it. Whatever. And then it'd be like, so. Yeah, sometimes you just don't. But speaking of Jennifer Aniston, okay, so she was on the show, and of course she's, you know, promoting the morning show, and she's Great. And she said, I was offered snl. Yeah. Lauren offered it to me before Friends. And I just felt like, oh, I don't know. I can't really remember with this brain of mine, but it was like, I don't know if I like the way the women are treated on that show. So I turned it down.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And I was like, okay. At that time. Okay. Now I'm not saying.

[Chris Frangola]

So what era is this a set of?

[Heather McDonald]

She's saying, before Friends. So Friends began in, like, 1996.

[Chris Frangola]

This is Molly Shannon.

[Heather McDonald]

So this would have been like, 94, 95, I'm guessing.

[Chris Frangola]

Who were the women on there at that time? The women were Ana Gastar, maybe Molly Shannon. Ana Gastar, Sherry Oteri.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Sherry O. Terry. So a lot of, like, I was at Growlings at that time, and a lot of Groundlings people were getting chosen. And the way they chose people back then were definitely Second City Standups and the Groundlings and a lot of characters. You had to have characters and impressions.

[Chris Frangola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

So I was supposed to audition for it, and I had my whole thing set up, and then my MTV thing got picked up and they wouldn't see me.

[Chris Frangola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

But it was like three original characters and at least three celebrity impressions that you. You know, so you'd write it, do it, and usually you'd be your best stuff that you'd done on stage and whatever. And there'd be times where Lorne Michaels would come and sit in the audience, and they could only feature 17 bits. And it was like warfare. It was like whoever was sleeping with the director at the time would get more bits on because Lauren was in there. And then the one person that's like, no, it was my agent that invited Lauren, and now I only have two bits to show them. I mean, so when people, like.

[Chris Frangola]

You mean the actual audition process?

[Heather McDonald]

The audition. No, this was just. He'd come to a show.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, like an actual live tape. Oh, you mean a groundling show.

[Heather McDonald]

And if I'm wrong, if it wasn't Lauren, it was like, the top casting person to see. Who are these, like, hot up and comers in the group? And like, I. Yeah. And like, Ana was seen there and like, Sherry was seen and Will Ferrell, like, they were all seen there. And so I'm just kind of like, I just. Now, it doesn't mean that it didn't happen because she's cute and she's truly a very good comedic actress, but I just was like, wow, that's really. That's not. And even when they weren't Doing that. It was like, Janine Garofalo. Like, they were picking, like, names. If they weren't. They were named. Either named standups or they were like. Yeah. So anyway, thought that was interesting and that her reason was just that she didn't think that it was, like, a good place for, like, women to be, that it was a misogynistic place, which it probably was. But. Yeah. So then that was the one thing she said. And. And then I also thought the next thing I just saw a clip of is she. You know, they talked about her having kids.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then it never happened. I remember there was. She even made jokes about being pregnant with triplets and all this other stuff, because every week would. Because that would sell the magazines when they were selling magazines. And so the story just. I just remembered this story. Okay, so Chelsea has become really good friends with Jen at this time, which is quite the coup.

[Chris Frangola]

I remember the year.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Quite the coup. And I think she was around either doing the show or she was gonna make an appearance on after lately. So she's kind of around and very nice to all of us, by the way.

[Chris Frangola]

She was very sweet.

[Heather McDonald]

And I went to, like, some red carpet thing at the Four Seasons. Were pre Oscars, whatever.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And I do the red carpet. But then, like, someone that I didn't. Not on the red carpet, but somebody that, like, worked for, like, some. Okay. Or whatever.

[Chris Frangola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Is like, oh, do you think Jenna Aniston is pregnant? You know? Cause at the time, she was with Justin Theroux, and still of an age, you could be pregnant, you know, And. And I was like, no. I'm like, no. I'm like, no. Sometimes I think maybe she was just, like, a little bloated or what I think she might have. I think I said something like. I don't know that she is or not, but I will say, like, yeah, it looked like she could have, like, a little pooch or something like that. Okay. But I did not say it on the red carpet. And then I get this email sent to me, like, the next day or something that Chelsea sent to me that was that Jen Aniston allegedly had sent to Chelsea. Okay.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, that must have been a joke.

[Heather McDonald]

I totally think it was a joke. But at the time, I felt so badly, and it was like, hey, Chels, like, don't really appreciate, you know, your staff people talking about my pregnancies when I'm not pregnant. And, like, this is really uncool and, like, what. Something like that. And I know now it was probably Chelsea and Tom.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, that's definitely a fucking with me. It's got Tom written all over.

[Heather McDonald]

Because it did get written somewhere. The girl I was talking to was, like, some cheesy reporter, like, life and style or whatever. And I didn't realize that. And they're like, you gotta really watch what you say when you go to these things. And I'm sure they were walking around like, oh, Heather thinks she's all that. Cause she got invited to one, like, gift bagging suite, you know, like. And I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, how can I apologize to her? Like, is there any way, like, I. Oh, my God, you're right. Like, this is totally inappropriate that I said this.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And. But now, of course, not now, but even, like 10 years ago, I realized, oh, that was probably all, like, fucking with me just to be awful and give me anxiety.

[Chris Frangola]

I think so.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, it sounds like.

[Heather McDonald]

But anyway, she did say she goes, finally it comes to a place where, you know, you realize, like, it's not gonna happen when you're gonna be a mom.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then Dax is like, yeah, I can imagine there's sadness, but then there's probably acceptance and then even some relief. And I'm like, yeah, I think a lot of childless people today are walking around with money in their pockets and peaceful horizons.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. Well, as a guy who had a child late in life, congratulations to all of you who were childless, you didn't have to walk around Target yesterday because. To find orange clothes. Because today's, like, at school.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

Today was like, no bullying day or something. No bullying.

[Heather McDonald]

What is bullying day?

[Chris Frangola]

Listen, that's what I told my daughter. My daughter was like, so today is no bullying day. I said, yeah, tomorrow I can go back to bullying. But today, wear your orange and don't. So I had to go find orange yesterday. But not Halloween orange, just orange. Which is hard to find. So I did. I found a pair of shorts in the sales rack over at Target that were from the summer.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Frangola]

They were like, nine sizes too big, but they were orange. And she wore them. She looked like a complete psychopath. And anyway, so she walked around in her giant orange shorts today over at school.

[Heather McDonald]

Wow.

[Chris Frangola]

That's what I have to do.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

You know, so maybe Jennifer, I did.

[Heather McDonald]

All of the things.

[Chris Frangola]

I know you did. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And it doesn't. It doesn't. It does get better because last night was MacKenzie's birthday.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And she has a lovely boyfriend.

[Chris Frangola]

I met the guy. He's a nice guy.

[Heather McDonald]

Great. And then we met the Parents. We had a lovely dinner altogether.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, no. How did that go?

[Heather McDonald]

Fabulous.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, they were nice people. They could talk.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I remember sometimes. Yeah. No, no, I knew they'd be great. Cause he's great. Like. No, it's great. I mean, it really is. People know the story of what it was like my life earlier. Go to Patreon. This is some sweet, sweet cherry on the top of like. Oh my God. Don't ever give up. Don't ever give up. Don't ever give up. Because then it's better. You could get it. Get. It can get better.

[Chris Frangola]

Good.

[Heather McDonald]

But I mean, I love it gets better. It's going to be like this. Going to be like this, right? And you're just. There's going to be times where I'm just like calling my sister to like, I want this job to end. When will it end?

[Chris Frangola]

Which job? Chelsea. Layla.

[Heather McDonald]

Mom. Oh, Mom. Oh, I want that too.

[Chris Frangola]

Just email. I remember when she first walked into Afterlaidly.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

We used to do like a weird thing after Lady. It made no sense really. But if somebody said yes to being on the show and we got some big people to say yes to being on the show, but we didn't really write them like a quality part. Some of them we just had for a couple hours. So we couldn't really write them like a. So they would just like walk into the writer's room, which made no sense. I'm like, oh, hi. Oh, hi.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And my role was always to be like completely star fucked up. On the poster it says Star Fucker or like Fame Chaser or something. Like we had our faces on this.

[Chris Frangola]

Poster that was like some half assed E promotional thing where they didn't even try.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And it was like, here's the cast of After Lately just for. People are like, what are they talking about? We had three seasons of this show that was basically like Curb youb Enthusiasm or meets the Office.

[Chris Frangola]

Like Larry Sanders kind of. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like. Yeah. Type of show about making of the show. And really it is funny. It is funny. I don't know where to find it, but it is funny. And I would love to like rewatch it good episodes and. But anyway, so yeah, it was always just like, you know, whatever.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. And I just remember Jennifer Anish just walking in and going, oh, hi. And we were like, oh, hi. And then it was like a weird. There's no reason why anybody would walk into the. And it's just, oh, are we going to aerobics or something? And they just walked out.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

It was just a show that I'm friends with Jennifer Aniston.

[Heather McDonald]

And then I remember one time, Chelsea's like, all right, you know what? I'm done asking my fucking friends to be on this show. Yeah, you guys need to find famous people, too. And I'm like. I'm like, well, I only know the Kardashians, and they've already made their appearances. So, like, I don't know how else I'm supposed to get famous. Because E was like, we're only doing this show if you have, like, famous guest stars. I know, because we're not even watching it ourselves.

[Chris Frangola]

I have a friend who's an electrician. Can he be on it? I don't know anybody famous. Oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

That's funny. Oh, my God. Anyway, speaking of famous, this is interesting. So the late, beautiful Suzanne Somers, she and her husband were married forever and built a dynasty. Of course, she was on Three's Company and did all these other things, and she sadly died of cancer a couple years ago. Well, he has gotten into a new venture. He's 89. And he said, there is an AI Suzanne Somers, like, doll, life size doll.

[Chris Frangola]

A clone.

[Heather McDonald]

A clone. And he goes, I can't tell the difference, but the girl doesn't look like her at all. It could have been her daughter.

[Chris Frangola]

Is that the. Is that the clone?

[Heather McDonald]

That's the clone.

[Chris Frangola]

This picture looks like a rubber doll.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

I mean, I've seen these rubber sex dolls before.

[Heather McDonald]

But of course, as AI by giving the AI person all of her books, all of her interviews, you could ask it anything, and they can answer as Suzanne, which they could do now with all of us, especially with the podcasting and everything else. And so.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, but wait a minute. No, I mean, not to get too graphic, but does he fuck it? Like, what is it for? To sit in his kitchen and have breakfast with him?

[Heather McDonald]

Or know if he's thinking other people might want to have a Suzanne at summers in their house. I don't know how he's, like, making this profitable.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But it's, you know.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, is he. Is he trying to make it profitable? I thought it was just like a venture.

[Heather McDonald]

He said it's like a venture. I think it's maybe that. Maybe the adventure is that you could do this with any lost one.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, you could, like, you know, you could recreate them.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And you could just go, hey, good morning. What did you think of? And like, okay, so let's say it's.

[Chris Frangola]

Me, you know, like a Heather doll.

[Heather McDonald]

A Heather doll. And I'm gone. And then like Peter or something walks in and is like, what did you think of the last episode of Real Housewives of oc? And then it would know what was on OC last night and they would know who I like what I think is lame. And then it would just come out.

[Chris Frangola]

And be like, I can't believe that they did that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like, yeah. And it would like say, you know, or but maybe like slightly more specific like to what would irritate me or whatever. Like a fake storyline. Alcoholic bitch. Like so when I started juicy scoop 10 years ago, it was a lot. We were trying to figure out a logo, the best photography, the artwork, how best to market it. And I know many of you might be starting your own brand, which is amazing. And that's why I want to talk to you about Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e commerce in the US from household names like Mattel and Gymshark to brands just getting started. Get started with your own design studio. With hundreds of ready to use templates, Shopify helps you build a beautiful online store. To match your brand style, they accentuate your content creation. Shopify is packed with helpful AI tools that write product descriptions, page headlines and even enhance your photography. Turn your big business idea into With Shopify on your side, sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com juicyscoop go to shopify.com juicysCoop shopify.com juicysCOOP upgrade your laundry routine with a durable and reliable Maytag.

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Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates Excludes Massachusetts. But I'm gonna bring it up again. I mean, there's only one reason why you would have one of these. It's not to talk about real housewives. It's to Fuck it. That's the bottom line. Or do something sexual with it.

[Heather McDonald]

Right?

[Chris Frangola]

I mean, look at it. He didn't make that to talk talk. You know, Three's Company with.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know, they're. Drake and Peter are always talking about AI ing me and I'm like, no. Like, no, I'm not having it like.

[Chris Frangola]

Murdering you and then aiing you.

[Heather McDonald]

Or just like they're like, if you become incapacitated, like we could. You could still be doing Juicy Scoop.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh yeah. I think the voice Voice is easy to think that. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm like, well, that doesn't really make me feel good. But like I don't have to do anything. So anyway, really this is what I think is going to happen.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

In the future prediction.

[Chris Frangola]

All right.

[Heather McDonald]

Because now there's so much AI news, TikTok reels and stuff where you're like, wait, is this real? Was this real?

[Chris Frangola]

I mean I could spot. I feel like I could spot the AIs because there's this new thing, the way you make these clips. It's CB Soar. Sora.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, Sora.

[Chris Frangola]

So fake.

[Heather McDonald]

Right? But it'll just like the self driving cars. It gets better and better.

[Chris Frangola]

Of course. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, and it's like people are like, oh, I'll never do a self. Like the waymos were all, I'll never do a self driving car. I'm like. But just know there was a time when people were like, I'll keep my horse and buggy. I'm not getting in that tin can down now. You know, like eventually we'll just be like, oh yeah, remember when people used to like drive themselves? Whatever. But I think what will happen in this is that I think there might be a movement in the next five years actually like away from like the TikToks and the Insta, all that stuff. Because people will be like, well, it's not real anyway. So I'm just gonna look, I'm just gonna like, I don't care what's going on. I'm gonna be more about my own community and what's going on here.

[Chris Frangola]

Because they say it's already happening. Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that. I've heard that people are giving up on the dating apps, like the swiping. They want one on one connection now everyone's done with the left and right of the bumbles and all those.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I think what's really fun is I follow this guy who tall and he has tall meetups all over the country.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay?

[Heather McDonald]

And he's cute and he's like, the next tall meetup is whatever in Austin. And now some shorties try to get in there. Those little bitches.

[Chris Frangola]

What is the height cutoff?

[Heather McDonald]

There is no height cutoff. It's just like, casual. It's like, hey, there's a tall meetup. And then he does videos and like. Yeah, I mean, some of the guys are like, you know, seven feet tall. And a lot of the girls are like six two, six, three. And it's just like a bar and they meet and they talk and whatever. And so it's like a dating thing for people. But I think there's gonna be more stuff like that.

[Chris Frangola]

I would like that because it'll get.

[Heather McDonald]

The people out to be social in a way that's like, of an interest. Like, I think that's what's gonna happen more.

[Chris Frangola]

I hope so. I'm all for it. I need to get out more. I'm gonna go to that tall meeting.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Speaking of the Golden Bachelor, so I had my friend Maya on a couple weeks ago last week or so, and she did not have a connection. So she was gone the first night.

[Chris Frangola]

But she was on it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, she was gone the first night. So I've been kind of watching it and I read an article that it is not doing well, rating eyes.

[Chris Frangola]

I didn't know. Honestly, I try to. I didn't even know it was on. And I'm usually pretty up on these things.

[Heather McDonald]

All I can think about is watching it. This gray haired guy, these women crying over him about how much they, like, they're in love and they're so excited to bring him home and they want this love and they know if it's not him that there will be love for them after. I am like, I need to jump on Peter and appreciate him more.

[Chris Frangola]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I'm like. I literally said to him, I go, peter, you could totally, like, if I die or become an AI robot, like 100%. You would, like, kill it. As a bachelor. Like, I don't even think this guy is nothing. Like, he's not particularly charming. He's a former football player. So he's pretty cute when he's sitting, but when he walks, he comes off quite elderly. Yeah, but he has a good body. But there's like, nothing funny about him or whatever. It's just kind of like, how old is he?

[Chris Frangola]

Is he 76?

[Heather McDonald]

66.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And I mentioned this in my last episode, but no one's watching. No one cares. But his wife, who they got divorced five Years ago, she's already married to a woman.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, whoa.

[Heather McDonald]

And I don't know why they don't share that, because to me, that would even make him more, like, likable to the women. Cause when someone's, like, divorced after 25 years, you're like, either someone was awful to you or you were awful to them. Like, it's rare that, like, two people are like, you know what? I love you a lot, but let's find other people we love more. So either they're gonna be a little fucked up. That to me would have been like, oh, well, that's like, hey, you can't compete with that. You know, like, how great. Yeah, your wife is now happy and whatever. But anyway, yeah, so it's. But people didn't like that he did a podcast and said, I don't want.

[Chris Frangola]

Anyone under over 60.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't want anyone over 60. And my friend was under 60. And so everyone was predicting that she'd be the winner. But I, you know. No.

[Chris Frangola]

Did he. Are there women there over 60?

[Heather McDonald]

They're all over 60. Oh, my friend was the only one that wasn't okay. And they're all, like, attractive and fit and all that. There's no. Like, they're very. Everyone's super. And he's super attractive, but it's just, like. Anyway, just kind of interesting. And then in the Bachelor world, this girl, Deanna Pappas, she married her dude. I don't know if he was her bachelor, but he was from the bachelor world. Whether they met afterwards or whatever, sure, they're getting divorced, they have a couple kids, and he no longer has to pay child support because he works for Uber and he doesn't make enough.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, so how is she gonna. How's she gonna get by?

[Heather McDonald]

The point is, people, when you find the love of your life on a dating game, whether it's the Bachelor or the Love is Blind or the island ones, the job is them being on tv.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, they're not going back to.

[Chris Frangola]

They sought that out.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

They went. Casting process.

[Heather McDonald]

It is not a lasting job. Like, all those Bachelor podcasts dried up. I think there's only, like, maybe three or four left that, like, actually. But they were giving. And they're not really on the Dancing with the Stars like, they used to. Like, it's just. Yeah. That is not. I've heard other interviews where people are like, yeah, like, if they did have a regular business, it didn't help it. They're not getting the Instagram numbers they thought they would get from It.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, so just know that if you're gonna bury them, like, it's not gonna work.

[Chris Frangola]

I mean, I'm surprised they had two kids, though.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I'm just saying, it's not like you married, like, a medical doctor that could, like, go get his license reinstated and make 300,000 a year. He might just be driving Uber, which. Nothing wrong with driving Uber, but.

[Chris Frangola]

Well, as a guy who. I know you were on. Was it Studs?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, I just reposted it. Oh. I put it on Patreon.

[Chris Frangola]

You found the episode?

[Heather McDonald]

I'm gonna put it on Instagram and TikTok this weekend. Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

The entire episode? You found the entire episode?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I found the entire episode. I was so weird in it.

[Chris Frangola]

I was on the Dating Game. Talk about weird. So way back, did you find it?

[Heather McDonald]

Do you know where it is?

[Chris Frangola]

I think I could probably find it.

[Heather McDonald]

Just. You can send it in Legacy box and they'll do it for you.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. I won. I won. I won.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you go out with the girl?

[Chris Frangola]

I went out with another girl. The girl? No, because she flew back to wherever she was from, and they don't pay for you to come back. All the flights are, like, from la.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, and we know from the serial killer, the dating serial killer, that they were just casting actors.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Anybody? It was like, this is your one gig.

[Chris Frangola]

That's kind of how I got it. And the two guys on with me, one guy was flamingly gay. And he said that, like, to me backstage, like, I'm just doing it for my, you know, whatever. To be on tv.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

And so that's kind of why I won. I had one guy was morbidly obese, the other guy was gay. So I.

[Heather McDonald]

No, she didn't know. The morbidly obese.

[Chris Frangola]

No, but I think it was in his voice, you know. Anyway, so I won. And the best part of it, I.

[Heather McDonald]

Was just thinking, Love is Blind just stole the Dating Game.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And made it longer.

[Chris Frangola]

I know. The Dating Game was. I mean, they need to bring it back. It's. If Love is blind, it's gonna date.

[Heather McDonald]

For those that don't know, the Dating Game was one girl sat. She had a host. It was, you know, set questions, and then behind a wall with three guys. And then she chose the one that she liked the answers the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

And then I came around the corner, and she was like, oh. And then I went to Guadalajara, Mexico. That was my trip.

[Heather McDonald]

You went on it?

[Chris Frangola]

I went, but with another girl who I never even met. They met me at the airport.

[Heather McDonald]

But they paid. Wait, they paid for it?

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, they paid for it.

[Heather McDonald]

See, we never collected the trip to Baja, Mexico or whatever it was.

[Chris Frangola]

Cabo.

[Heather McDonald]

We went on one date after Ronnie Sugar. And I don't know where you are.

[Chris Frangola]

What's his name? Ronnie Sugar.

[Heather McDonald]

His name was Ronnie sugar. He was 27. He had like a pretty good house. Oh my God, that is in the hill. Studio City.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think he lived with his brother. And they were like. I mean, they said they were like, you know, real estate investors. I don't know what they're doing. But like he was suave. I called him Rico Suave and. But I was not a comedian at the time. I was. I was entering my senior year of college, So I was 21. And they said, well, what do you do? Whatever. And I'm like, well, I'm going to be a senior at usc. And they're like, well, we're not gonna say usc. We're just gonna say you're a college student. And I go, no. Well then say I'm a realtor. Because I was a realtor. I had my real estate license. So then they made me. They said, she's a 21 year old real estate agent. So I wore this little orange suit that was like a little skirt and a jacket like a very kind of Ally McBealish. Anyway, but when I watched it recently, it was so weird because like I'm not good on tv.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I have this like weird voice. I don't know, it was really strange.

[Chris Frangola]

But it was a long time.

[Heather McDonald]

I was like. And they were writing me mean things to say, like about. The guy didn't choose.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I was very uncomfortable when he would think that my answer was something nice. And I was like, no. I said, you had a face only a mother could love. And the reason they came up with that one is because I was talking to the producer after. Cause we'd go on the dates. The cameras wouldn't follow you on the date.

[Chris Frangola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And then they would like interview after. And then the guys didn't know who said what. And I said, I said, well, my mother found him very cute and attractive. Cause he came to the house to pick me up. And that's when they came up with that line, you had a face only a mother could love.

[Chris Frangola]

Mean. Well, that's. That was the kind of shit.

[Heather McDonald]

So anyway, I did win the other girl, this other girl who was a nurse, absolutely effed. Ronnie Sugar, in my opinion.

[Chris Frangola]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. And then he didn't choose her. Oh, here the virgin wins, you know. And I was like, I kind of felt bad. Cause I'm like, she put out. Like, I didn't even kiss this guy. And so anyway, we went on one date and like, whatever. I didn't talk to him after that. I said once at Sports Club la. And I was like, remember me from Studs? And we were both like, whatever. Didn't want to really talk.

[Chris Frangola]

I'd love to know what became of Ronnie Sugar.

[Heather McDonald]

Ronnie Sugar?

[Chris Frangola]

That's his real name?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. I mean, he came. Yes, yes.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what he said it was.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. And.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe Sugar isn't as like. No, I really do think it was. Anyway, so it's, it's. Yes, that's my story. But yeah, you got to be careful.

[Chris Frangola]

I had, I had sneakers on.

[Heather McDonald]

But we never went to the Cabo trip is what I'm saying.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, I went.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I went.

[Chris Frangola]

And I never saw the girl. Like, she met the airplane. No, I never even saw her in Guadalajara. She had a boyfriend with her. She's like, oh, he's coming with me. I'm like, all right. I just walked around Guadalajara.

[Heather McDonald]

Was that fun at all?

[Chris Frangola]

I mean, no, mildly. But I mean, Guadalajara, it's not even on the water. It's like mid. It's in a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

Like a city.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And how many nights were you there? Like two, like three.

[Chris Frangola]

Like three nights.

[Heather McDonald]

God.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. Anyway, it was wild, but. And I remember I had sneakers on. I was wearing sneakers and they were like. I didn't know. I had nothing, you know, I just got into la. I had no clothes or anything and I was wearing sneakers and just were about to go to air. Like, cut, cut, cut. He's got sneakers. I can't do sneakers. So I said, I don't have anything else. The director's like, he could have my shoes. He was so angry. I took off the sneakers and I put on the director's shoes. I swear to God. This guy must have like a size 15 shoe, some sort of slip on loafer. You could see it. If you ever see it. The back of the shoe.

[Heather McDonald]

We are gonna see it. Cause you have body.

[Chris Frangola]

The back of the shoe is coming off my foot. You could see it. There's like six inches coming off the back while I sit on those director's chairs. Anyway, now I have to go around to meet the girl and there's no way I could walk because the shoes would come right off my feet. So I just kind of slid. You could see me walking like I'm ice skating over the girl's like, what's wrong with this guy? And I was just sliding over to her so I didn't come out of the shoes. What a nightmare.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you ever get recognized from that episode?

[Chris Frangola]

Never. I still to this day, like, the people that I know from back on Long island, like, where I'm from, they know me more for that Dating Game than anything I've ever done.

[Heather McDonald]

They all knew to watch, but no strangers.

[Chris Frangola]

Everybody watched. And now to the. I just. I still see people like, remember the Dating Game? Like, yeah, I. I do.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, nobody knew I was gonna be on it. And my show aired every night at like 7:30, whatever, you know. And during the summers between junior and senior year, anyone that lived in the LA area that went to SC kind of knew to go to Stratton's at UCLA to go get drinks and you had to wait in line. And so that night after it aired, I went with my friends in my express black halter jumper, which was just the best shorts. Just the. Every time I wore that, it was just a guy got my number. Anyway, so I'm walking to get in line and people were like, you are on studs. You are on Studs. You are on Studs. And I said, I have got to make this a career.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I was like, I love people recognizing. I remember just going, I don't know what it is because I wasn't pursuing acting or film or anything at Scott. I knew I wanted to do it.

[Chris Frangola]

But so this really. So it worked for you in the end?

[Heather McDonald]

It made me just. I just clocked that moment of like, wow. I really like it when people know, like, recognize me.

[Chris Frangola]

How do you feel about it now, all these years later?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I'm still very flattered that people, like, listen or whatever when they say they're a juicy scooper. But, you know, sometimes people are like, on the plane, the girl goes, weren't you on the Chelsea Handler show? And I'm like, yes, I was, you know, but I've had juicy scoop for 10 years and you should listen to it. So it's like that. But no, I'm still so, like, happy that someone recognizes me. Still fun from 10 years later, you know? Okay, so Ireland, Alex Baldwin's daughter, he, you know, she is lovely and she lives in Oregon and she's a mom and she speaks very highly of her stepmom, Hilaria. But she said in like, her whatever blog or whatever, wrote this thing about how she's like toxic. Family members, I tried to please them. They didn't wanna Be part of my life. And now they're not gonna be part of my life. And I, in any way, you know, Page six picked it up. I personally think she's talking about like the cousins, Haley Baldwin or something like, I don't know. It's weird. I'm like, because if you're close to your stepmom, you're obviously fine with your dad. Now you did his roast. She spoke highly of her mom in it. And I was like, yeah, I think she was hinting at like, she never felt accepted by like the cousins in the Baldwin family. That's what I think.

[Chris Frangola]

Well, they're. I mean, they got a pretty extensive family. I think there's all sorts of. Right.

[Heather McDonald]

So I think there could have been.

[Chris Frangola]

Isn't the one guy married to China Phillips?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what it is where I think it could be? It's like if you have a family and it's Thanksgiving and you're a 10 year old girl, and maybe there's two other 10 year old girls that are cousins and you see them every Thanksgiving and maybe your memory is that they didn't include you or you didn't feel comfortable, like, that will hold you. And now at like 30, they probably would be like, oh my God, we'd love to see Ireland at Thanksgiving.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I mean? That's what I think it is. I think it's like, you cannot, because I remember that at our family Thanksgivings, there's someone was feeling like, oh, those girls are, you know, they're sisters and I'm not just a cousin and I'm not like feeling included. And the girls, like, don't know to. Cause they're 10.

[Chris Frangola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Like too many times people are like holding a revenge for like a dumb childhood Bully who was 10. And it's like, yeah, they were awful. They were dicks. But chances are they don't even remember being a dick to you because they didn't know that they were doing something. I mean, some little people are evil and like on the verge of being murders, but others, like, honestly, you just like, you didn't know that you were like, excluding someone.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Who knows? There's a childhood memory for you here. This girl who was fine, she fell off the Disney ship at 5, 5 years old about a month ago. Her dad saw her fall in. He immediately jumped in after her. The ship did everything that you. He had to tread water, like holding her in the water for 20 minutes. The little boat got him. But it was that she fell through this portal thing and People were like, how could that happen? You know, did the plastic break on it? Like, you would know. Well, now they're saying no. The portal was this. It had bars across it, but it was open air.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And this is a photo of it and that someone posted, so I don't know who the credit, but now they're saying that the mom, like, had her sit on the bar to take a photo. Yeah, but if the dad was there to jump in, he witnessed the stupidity as well. And so they were trying to get.

[Chris Frangola]

A good picture of the girl with the ocean in the background.

[Heather McDonald]

But does she do, or do you think they'll still be able to sue the.

[Chris Frangola]

Wow. No, not anymore. There was negligence on the part of the parents.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

Not supposed to put him up there.

[Heather McDonald]

Like that, but what a great photo.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

One battle after another. By the way, horrible name for a movie.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, well, you don't know. Nobody knows what it's about. No, it's about, like.

[Heather McDonald]

So it did really badly. And I looked up. Why did it just so badly? It cost 300 million. It's only at 100 million they put, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio. But, yeah, people don't know what it's about. It's like a futuristic person, whatever, living off the grid, one battle after another.

[Chris Frangola]

Like revolutionaries or something. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

The minute I heard the title before it came out, I go, that's just an awful title. There's that other movie that I think has a horrible title. That's Colin Farrell and Margot Robbie.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, I heard it was real bad.

[Heather McDonald]

But it has a weird one. It's like the Longest romance in time. Once again, like, it's.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, I feel like, you know, a lot of people talking about movies like this one. I mean, it's Paul Thomas Anderson. He's a big director. Everyone loves his stuff, and it's got big stars. But I feel like the, you know, advertising for movies is worse than it's ever been. I feel like I've heard nothing about this movie. I don't see commercials for it. I don't see anything for it. I feel like there's a movie out there called Roofman or something where Channing Tatum lives in a Toys R Us or something. It's like a based on a true.

[Heather McDonald]

Story or he lives in a McDonald's.

[Chris Frangola]

I thought it was Toys R Us.

[Heather McDonald]

He eats at a McDonald's.

[Chris Frangola]

He eats McDonald's?

[Heather McDonald]

No, he steals from McDonald's.

[Chris Frangola]

That's what it is.

[Heather McDonald]

But he lives up into the roof. He lives at a Toys R Us, but he steals from McDonald's?

[Chris Frangola]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

But he's a lovable criminal. That's based on a true story. Why would that true story inspire me to go see it?

[Chris Frangola]

No, it didn't. Nobody went. Anyway, I'm watching the commercial for it, and I'm like, this tells me nothing about the movie. I don't. It's. I feel like the advertising has gotten real bad from movies, and that's part of the problem. There you go. That's my speech.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know why we got away from movies like my favorite genre, which is infidelity leading to murder in New York on a cold day.

[Chris Frangola]

So basically you're talking about the Diane Lane.

[Heather McDonald]

All of that mystery also. Because those trailers suck you in.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because you can do a great trailer. And you're like, oh, my God, what is this about? But those movies stopped being made because they weren't like the international superhero blockbuster thing.

[Chris Frangola]

That's what everybody. That's the problem.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm like, no, that's what we want. We want, like, just a great classic twist at the end. Courtroom.

[Chris Frangola]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Sexy pencil skirt lifted up to the waist.

[Chris Frangola]

The Crying Game. Remember the little dick in the Crying Game? The little dick. All of a sudden we were like. Like, what the hell? Remember that? And we all were like. We thought the whole time. And then the little penis comes out. You know what I'm talking about, right?

[Heather McDonald]

The Crying Game was a movie, which there is a surprise in it. But I remember my friend ruined it for me because we were. And nobody knew what the surprise was. Just like six, not six senses. No one knew what the trick was. And so they were sitting there, and my friend goes, look at the hands. Look at the hands.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, if you watch it now, how could you not know?

[Heather McDonald]

How could you not know? Yeah, but that was sort of. But I think back then it was like, quite controversial that this guy was falling for who he thought was a, you know, a natural born woman when she was trans and thought that he knew whatever. And then there was some other. I don't even know what the movie was about. That was just one little element of it. But 25 years ago, that was like a big deal. Now it's nothing. Okay. So anyway, to get people to go to the movies. Emma Roberts, by the way, just so. Yes.

[Chris Frangola]

I don't know if you've heard, but I just saw J. Lo in an interview. Her movie bombed really bad. Kiss of the Spider Woman bombed.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it out?

[Chris Frangola]

Yes, it's already out. It made $650,000 in, like, 2,000 screens. I'm sorry. I'm getting nerdy on everybody. But it was, like, one of the biggest bombs in the last 10 years anyway.

[Heather McDonald]

But does anyone go to the movies?

[Chris Frangola]

No. Well, that's. That's. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I'm like, does it even count?

[Chris Frangola]

I don't know. Yeah, but she was on, I think Howard Stern or something, and she was saying that. He was saying, did you. Any roles you turned down that you regret? Yeah, she said she was offered that Diane Lane role in that Richard Gere. Diane Lane.

[Heather McDonald]

I saw that.

[Chris Frangola]

And she said, that's the one. I regret turning that down. She could have done. It would have been good with her back then. Young JLo.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, Diane got nominated for an Oscar for it.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But the reason she did, because it was Diane. And it was like, right after Diane cheats on Richard Gere with this guy and sleeps with him. And she's, like, on the train going back to the suburbs, and there's this moment where she's, like. Like, by herself, thinking about the fucking.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then she's like, oh, my God, I gotta, like, clean out my underwear.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

And she, like, goes to the thing, like, clean.

[Chris Frangola]

Like, that's why she got nominated for nominee.

[Heather McDonald]

No. But then she starts to cry. Like, the guilt. But then she's also like, that was fucking amazing. Like, it was like, the thrill of, like, when someone does, like, cheat for the first time. I'm assuming, like, the thrill of it and the excitement of it and then how quickly it can, like, derail your life. That's why I love that great movie.

[Chris Frangola]

That movie, Chad Lowe. It's also in it.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

Rob Lowe's brother.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Frangola]

And she.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, but I heard that interview, too, and I thought it was great. And you always wonder, you know. Well, everything always happens for a reason. Yes. But if there was a sliding door thing and she would have gotten an. Actually, it would have been that big of a juicy movie. But she said she thought that the script probably, to her, read, like, a cheesy Lifetime movie. Sometimes when you. Sometimes when I'd read scripts for things, I would be like, this is horrible. Like, when I was going out for things, and then I would see that whoever got it or whatever, and I'd be like, oh. Like, it's really sometimes really hard to read the word and see how it can be changed or directed or what. And you're like, who would have bought this piece of crap?

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But then, yeah. They realize, oh, no, it's because there's all these people behind It.

[Chris Frangola]

Anyway, it's gonna be interesting.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think it was. That would be. Yeah. She also said, I don't. I've never really been loved correctly. And then the old boyfriend, the waiter, came out of the woodwork pissed.

[Chris Frangola]

Pissed. Said she cheated on him.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Wait, I actually have that. I think I have that saying right here. He said, where my ex wife, Jennifer Lopez, aka JLo, said that she never has been loved or capable. Stop putting us down. Stop putting me down with your victim card. The problem is not us, not me. The problem is you. You the one who couldn't keep it in your pants.

[Chris Frangola]

Whoa.

[Heather McDonald]

But also, like, keep it in your pants, it's because a dick would come out of the pants. How does a vagina pop out of a pants?

[Chris Frangola]

Just a term, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Sure.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You have been loved few times. You have been married four times and have. It's hard to read this and have countless relationships in between. You have had good relationships. Oh, God. Well, he seems like he's ready to get a support group for J. Lo's exes together.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, all together.

[Heather McDonald]

All right. Sorry, dude. When she was talking to Howard Stern, she forgot about you and so did everybody else. No one was remembering the people article from 1992 when she married the waiter for nine months.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It was her officially first. First marriage. Yes. Okay. So anyway, now there's. Now to. If you wanted to go to the premiere of this other movie called Begonia, which seems like another futuristic warfare. I don't know what it is. Emma Stone, but Emma Stone, she shaved her head for it. So if you wanted to go to the premiere and get the pre. Popcorn sodas that they have at Premiere movies, you can. If you shave your head.

[Chris Frangola]

You had to shave your head, too. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So all these people were shaving their heads.

[Chris Frangola]

I mean, it's already hard enough to get people to go to the movies. Now you're gonna make them shave their heads. What are we doing here? Come on, everybody.

[Heather McDonald]

So fucking true.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

That's always such a weird thing, like a dairy to shave your head kind of a thing. Okay, now, Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin's daughter, Apple, she got on stage and was singing, and, you know, the video has gone, whatever, viral. It's not great singing.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

She's with a band, but I mean, she was definitely. It wasn't like she just popped up on karaoke night. Like, she was. She's trying to do this thing.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And of course, she already has a band and people that are like, yeah, I'm an Outer work. Musician. Sure. I'll be the band guy of whatever.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. Your dad's in Coldplay.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like, yeah, I think we could do it. And of course people are like, oh my God, the singing is not good. Give or check. And I will say as like, nobody ever talks about the downside of being like a Nepo baby, which is if you do have a desire to do something in your parents world.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm gonna say not just acting. Cause acting, yes. Someone can give you the part, they can give you the script. You can do 10,000 takes till you come out decently and you can take acting classes. That's an easier Nepo path than stand up or singing.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, it's yes, because stand up.

[Heather McDonald]

I remember I one time asked, you know, Melissa Rivers or whatever, and I'm like, did you ever think of doing standup or whatever? And she's like, I did, but can you imagine, like, she wouldn't have the luxury to doing it like you and I did with no eyes on us for several years until we felt like we were good. And in today's world, like, they would have a camera on you, whatever. And you know, if you're that big of a start, especially back then, you know. And so I do think it's like kind of a hard thing. And I think like, even Ray Romano sort of talked about it with his twins that like, they kind of want to do comedy. But it's like, I think that's why.

[Chris Frangola]

A lot of the sons and daughters of celebrities get a little messed up. I think it is. Yeah, it's definitely hard.

[Heather McDonald]

Speaking of not having kids, I always remember that was a bit of, or an interview or something of Ricky Gervais who didn't have kids.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And he's like, the chance is so high that I will have a spoiled rich kid who is not gonna be as funny or successful as I, and therefore will just be a heroin addict.

[Chris Frangola]

It's my biggest fear. Cause no matter what you do, you know, next thing you know, you're. You're on. What's that show where you have to write a letter to your kids? We used to. We all love you.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, intervention.

[Chris Frangola]

And then they run out the door.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why I'm glad. I'm just, I'm just the right level.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, Chris, let's see the outfit.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, you want to see it?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay, let me put it on. So, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, you look very, like, weirdly Andy Warhol. Ish.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. I'm supposed to be a character from K Pop Demon Hunters.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Frangola]

And I'm the character of Baby Saja. Baby Saja, I just saw.

[Heather McDonald]

Can I just. Could I interview Baby Saja? Because I don't know anything about Baby Saja.

[Chris Frangola]

I'm going to tell you. Tell me about yourself.

[Heather McDonald]

Baby Saja.

[Chris Frangola]

I'm in a band.

[Heather McDonald]

How old are you?

[Chris Frangola]

That's a good question. 59. No, I'm in a band and I sing a song that if you have kids, you would know. It's called Soda Pop, My little Soda Pop. And then it's like a. Yeah, so I'm in the boy band that is in K Pop Demon Hunters.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Frangola]

And I'm Baby Saja, like the head of the boy band.

[Heather McDonald]

But it's not scary. So, like, your daughter watches it.

[Chris Frangola]

My daughter watches it. It's not too scary now. It's good enough for a six year old.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's real actors or it's cartoon?

[Chris Frangola]

No, it's cartoon. It's an animated show called K Pop Demon Hunter. It's the number one most watched show in the history of Netflix ever. It's a movie, actually. It's only a one off a movie and the women who are in it. You probably know all the songs if you once again have kids. It's the number one Halloween costume this year. And baby Sasha, who I am, is the number five costume this year.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so then what is your wife and daughter being there?

[Chris Frangola]

They are gonna be two of the women from K Pop Demon Hunters. I'm not sure their names.

[Heather McDonald]

So is Beckett so excited about this?

[Chris Frangola]

I can't get over it. She's never been more excited. I also have that I had to order online. I have these really, really tight purple pants that I got from Amazon and I wear those as well. And some funny shoes. And I'll be walking around the streets.

[Heather McDonald]

And then where are you. So are you just going in your own neighborhood or you go to a party?

[Chris Frangola]

No, our own neighborhood. We go to like a neighborhood that's close to ours that has like a real good.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Now I feel like that's what everyone.

[Chris Frangola]

Does is it's our old neighborhood we used to live in.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Frangola]

It's amazing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Like where? I love it when a neighborhood just knows we're the neighborhood. We're the neighborhood. Everybody be down and fucking enjoy.

[Chris Frangola]

Am I the biggest star you've ever had on Juicy Scoop? I know you've had a lot of stars on here. Have you ever had anyone from K Pop Demon Hunters, the number one show on Netflix of all time?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, speaking of Netflix shows. Have you watched the Ed Gein? Yes. Is the name of that show Monster? Is it called something else?

[Chris Frangola]

Monster? Yeah, it's a series.

[Heather McDonald]

Are you watching it?

[Chris Frangola]

I've watched two, one and a half episodes. I've tried. It's very dark. It's very dark. And his voice drives me nuts.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Everyone's like, oh, he should get an Oscar. I'm always like, I don't ever. I honestly always think when someone's playing, like a. Whatever, a somewhat mentally impaired character throughout history, and they immediately. Because they're acting like, you know, they have something, they would be like, oh, my God, they gotta give them the Oscar. And I'm like, as someone who does characters, that's actually, to me, so much easier than being a person like Diane Lane in Unfaithful and really playing, like, emotions.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

To me, that's. So once you got the voice, that's all you're doing. And because you're, like, psychotic, you don't really show a lot of emotion.

[Chris Frangola]

I agree. Well, right now I'm playing baby Sasha, and it's much easier for me to be baby Sasha than it is for me to be.

[Heather McDonald]

So how does baby Sasha talk?

[Chris Frangola]

I have no idea. I don't even know if I've ever heard baby Sasha talk. I don't watch the show. My daughter's watching it, and I'm in the background thinking about life's choices.

[Heather McDonald]

I have to say, the blue wig with the blue eyes, it's kind of stunning.

[Chris Frangola]

Well, I have to cut the wig a little bit. This is what's gonna happen in the next couple of days because I have to get it. I might have the wig on backwards.

[Heather McDonald]

I think you do, because it's like, the bangs. Can you just turn it around?

[Chris Frangola]

We can turn it around. Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, absolutely. You have it backwards.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay, let me see. I have it backwards. No, this can't be.

[Heather McDonald]

All right, hold on to the side.

[Chris Frangola]

This is it. This is it. I think this is it.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it moppy?

[Chris Frangola]

It's supposed to be like.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, that's it.

[Chris Frangola]

That's it.

[Heather McDonald]

No, that's not it. Push it back, push it back, push it back.

[Chris Frangola]

I am. I'm trying to. Okay. I think it's supposed to be, like, surfery kind of. And then this is the hat I got.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm just not excited for my Halloween costume. I've got to, like, get something else, I think.

[Chris Frangola]

And he has blue eyebrows that I have to do. So I make my eyebrows blue.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that'll be good.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. And I can't make myself he. Baby Sasha is Korean, I believe. So I can't do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Then I'm cancelled.

[Heather McDonald]

Definitely.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. So I don't want to be that guy. So I'm going to be just the white version of baby Sasha.

[Heather McDonald]

Now, I know your wife is more like the business side of Netflix.

[Chris Frangola]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

But I need to ask a question.

[Chris Frangola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

When, like, there's an article that comes out and now people are just like, all right, when's the Netflix doc coming? Do you know if Netflix will immediately just tell their people, go start making a doc out of that, or do they all have to wait to be pitched?

[Chris Frangola]

I think a lot of them are made privately and just on. And Netflix buys them. Netflix doesn't necessarily produce all of them. Some of them are produced by other production companies, and Netflix buys them from those production companies. As far as I know, there are some that are produced by Netflix, but others are taken.

[Heather McDonald]

One time there was a crime happening. I don't want to say which one. And then the criminal was. The murderer was arrested. And Drake, in all sincerity, was like, well, now I'm kind of pissed because when the Netflix doc comes out, it's like, it's not gonna be as fun for me to watch it. Cause I know who did it.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, yeah, it is.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm like, oh, my God. And I think that's what's so interesting is, like, when we'll see, like, docs about things now. And younger people are, like, doing a TikTok summary, and they're like, let me tell you about what happened to Heidi Fleiss. And you're like, how do you not know about Heidi Fly? And I'm like, oh, that's right. We're old. And they don't know.

[Chris Frangola]

I always were upset when I watched any of those murder things. And they showed the guy, they went to me, the one guy, and he had the orange suit on from prison. I'm like, well, I know he's in prison now, so I know he did something.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, then they realized that they just cut it real close.

[Chris Frangola]

Cut it real close. I put some.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm like, why? They were so close. And I asked Keith Morrison once, and he said, you know what we've started to do is we will give them clothes.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And they will bring, like, a plant.

[Chris Frangola]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

Like a plant and something else. Because they're doing it in the prison.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And they've realized that, like, that was ruining it because we had to watch the whole thing and think that actually it was the weird, angry workman down the street that didn't get paid. We had to. The first half is. Was it the word angry workman that she was a To that she never paid? And then it's. But wait, she had a secret lover. But. And then no. And the whole time the guy's like, the dad. The dad. The husband who killed her is like, yeah. And then.

[Chris Frangola]

I don't know why this just memory just came up, but I had a friend on Long island, his name was Joe, who actually went and had an interview with John Wayne Gacy. You could, like, write him in prison and request an interview, and he would do them.

[Heather McDonald]

That's the peacock one. The devil in disguise.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah. My friend went to interview John Wayne Gacy just from. He wasn't a journalist or anything, like a fan of serial killers. And he went. And at one moment during the interview, the prison went on lockdown, and John Wayne Gacy said to him, he goes, you know, I could murder you right now, and nobody could stop me while they were on lockdown. And he told me that story. Isn't that wild?

[Heather McDonald]

And what happened? He didn't.

[Chris Frangola]

Nothing. He didn't murder.

[Heather McDonald]

How long was it dark for?

[Chris Frangola]

It was like 10 minutes. He was in there with him and.

[Heather McDonald]

Was he talking about him? Talking with him for 10 minutes. And he just did this for kicks and giggles.

[Chris Frangola]

He was just into, like, serial killers.

[Heather McDonald]

Did that stop him from being into serial killers?

[Chris Frangola]

I'm not sure what he does now. I think he has a bad case of gout now. I saw on Facebook the rich man's disease. I think so. Yeah. He's not doing well.

[Heather McDonald]

There's a housewife and she has an older husband, and I guess. And the other girl, to be mean, said, well, you're. You're a. You're a gout dick sucker.

[Chris Frangola]

Whoa.

[Heather McDonald]

That. You're sucking a dick that might have gout.

[Chris Frangola]

Well, I don't think the dick has gout. I think it's your feet. And everyone's like, what's the greatest conversation I've ever had?

[Heather McDonald]

And I just remember I had a. What did you say? It's the greatest what?

[Chris Frangola]

The conversation I've ever had. This is about whether gout. Your dick gets go.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. So I had a friend in post college, and she married a guy, and then she would brag about everything about her life. We're no longer friends. And he did get gout. And she said, he has gout. And we're like, oh, what is that? Cause we're like 27, and he was like, 35, but not healthy. And she goes, oh, you don't know. They call it the rich man's disease because it comes from having steak and lobster soaked in butter and martinis and cab. Cabernet every night. Because you're so successful that you close a big deal and then you go to a fancy steakhouse with all your clients, and then if you're super successful, you get gout.

[Chris Frangola]

Well, my friend that I know who has it, I don't think he got it from that. He got it from eating, like, TV dinners. Salisbury steak.

[Heather McDonald]

No. When this went down with the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, that people were like, husbands were like, wait, can you get gout from your dick being sucked? Like, people were so confused. And she was just like, you know what? You're a gold digger. No, you're actually worse than that. You're a gout dick sucker.

[Chris Frangola]

Wow, that's a hardcore.

[Heather McDonald]

Chris, tell everybody where they can see you next.

[Chris Frangola]

Oh, my God. Come see me, everybody, tonight. This is a Thursday.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

So tonight I'm at Off the Hook Comedy Club.

[Heather McDonald]

Club.

[Chris Frangola]

I'm at off the Hook in Naples, Florida, right now, as we speak. And tomorrow night, I'm at McGurdy's. McCurdy's, McCurdy's, Sarasota, Florida. McCurdy's this weekend, 21st and 22nd. McCurdy's in Sarasota, Florida. And then Sunday night, the 23rd. This Sunday, I'm at the Miami Improv. How do you like that?

[Heather McDonald]

I love it. And are you doing your typical thing where you land in Florida and rent a car and drive to every place.

[Chris Frangola]

And drive and drive and drive? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then come see me. Hey, everybody. Chicago Zany, Chicago, Wednesday night, November 12, and Rosemont Zany's on November 13. Come to those hyenas in Albuquerque. And then the Unit B in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Those are the next couple. Frangola Fun has everything. I have a podcast called Cover to Cover if you'd like to go over and check that out as well.

[Heather McDonald]

And he's on Patreon and he's Patreon.

[Chris Frangola]

Patreon. Patreon. It's a lot of fun. It's good to see you again. I feel like I haven't seen you in so long. How's everything going? How's everything going?

[Heather McDonald]

Everything is great. You are going to do a gig with me somewhat locally.

[Chris Frangola]

I'm excited about that.

[Heather McDonald]

At North Ranch Country Club.

[Chris Frangola]

I know that's fun.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

That's not open to the public.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. No, I mean, someone could. I think someone would have to invite you. The club members can invite people, but no, it's still intimate. It's not like a huge thing. But I was pretty excited because they were like, oh, they posted it and it's like sold out right away or something.

[Chris Frangola]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

We're big deals.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. And I was kind of nervous about it because it's like, weird that so many people, like, joke, you know, them. But now I'm excited. Now I'm excited to write more specific jokes to just like the world of these people.

[Chris Frangola]

That's good. That'll be fun.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And I knew you'll be great too, so I know they'll love all your stuff. Hopefully, everybody, thank you so much. Go to heathermcdonald.net if you have not subscribed to Juicy Crimes, it is free. Some people were confused. It's my new show every Wednesday and you can watch it on YouTube or listen for free. Just subscribe. And I say subscribe because that helps.

[Chris Frangola]

I saw your friend Matt who does Juicy Crimes with you. I saw him on a flight. Oh, I didn't say anything, but we.

[Heather McDonald]

Said you should have said something.

[Chris Frangola]

We're right near each other.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, he's such a great guy.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So nice, Murphy. Anyway, thank. Can't believe you're still this outfit.

[Chris Frangola]

Yes. Baby Sasha. Hey, it's me, Baby Sasha.

[Heather McDonald]

I can't wait. Listen, if you guys are not following Chris Frangiola on Instagram.

[Chris Frangola]

Instagram, I know you are not going.

[Heather McDonald]

To see his Halloween delight. And you post a lot and you do really funny, off the cuff shit.

[Chris Frangola]

I tried.

[Heather McDonald]

You are missing out if you're not.

[Chris Frangola]

I feel like I've just plateaued on.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I plateaued too.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah, they just stopped.

[Heather McDonald]

I've been at my same number for weeks and then I jumped to the next thousand and then it went back down and I was like, really? Yeah.

[Chris Frangola]

No, I get a lot of follows.

[Heather McDonald]

Going my TikTok too. But my Instagram's been at 403 for so long and I don't know how it works, but if you're there, then you're gonna enjoy it. But if you're for some reason not following Chris or I, please do.

[Chris Frangola]

And you always put a lot of stuff on there too. It's like they say, just you gotta keep doing it. I know.

[Heather McDonald]

They said they did a study where they. I studied people who gave up social media for, I don't know, a number of weeks and how much healthier and better they are. I'm like, listen, we don't have the option to do that. I'm honestly envious of people that are like, I just turn it off. I don't even. Like, I have friends that. They're like, oh, right. I'm like, what's your Instagram? And they're like, oh, God, I think it's my dog's name. I don't even know. And I'm like, I'm so jealous of you all.

[Chris Frangola]

My brothers, they have no social media. I'll show them Instagram. They. I don't even know what that is.

[Heather McDonald]

Is.

[Chris Frangola]

It's crazy, dude.

[Heather McDonald]

These people actually go into bed or go to the living room and they watch a show without looking at their phone.

[Chris Frangola]

I know. I can't even.

[Heather McDonald]

What is that?

[Chris Frangola]

Like, I can't even imagine such a thing.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel like one day I'm gonna be like, I'm free. And I can just put it away, like, and just. I'm gonna be done.

[Chris Frangola]

And now I. But up until that point, you can't.

[Heather McDonald]

You can't because it's so. It's so.

[Chris Frangola]

You're promoting constantly this.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think you can do what we do without it. And it's the. And because of it, we're able to be successful. So I am not mad at it. There's no way I can.

[Chris Frangola]

Neither am I. I could be here.

[Heather McDonald]

Without it because I would be beholden to somebody at a network saying that I can speak three lines in a sitcom.

[Chris Frangola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So, like, no, I'm so grateful for it. But it's. It is truly like, whatever the. Our version of Golden Handcuffs, like, you can't not do it.

[Chris Frangola]

It really is.

[Heather McDonald]

And sure, you could maybe hire someone to do it, but it's still. Yeah, they don't. When they won't do it right, then that person gets weird, and then they go on a podcast and talk about you and like, oh, God, what my life was like doing Heather's Instagram for a year. Like, let me tell you. Yeah. So you can't. Yeah, it's the worst. All right, love you, Chris.

[Chris Frangola]

Love you.

[Heather McDonald]

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