Chris Franjola, Charlie Sheen, Emmy’s, Meghan Markle and Thirst Trap

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode Title: Chris Franjola, Charlie Sheen, Emmy’s, Meghan Markle and Thirst Trap
Air Date: September 16, 2025
Guests: Chris Franjola
Podcast Description: Heather McDonald dives into the juiciest Hollywood and pop culture topics, joined by comedian Chris Franjola. In this episode, they offer insider takes on the 2025 Emmy Awards, dissect new celeb documentaries, discuss Meghan Markle’s latest Netflix venture, and hilariously review the "Thirst Trap" doc about viral TikTok star William White.

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Episode Theme Overview

Heather and Chris deliver their signature blend of sharp, irreverent takes on the latest in celebrity, TV, and social media culture. This episode spotlights the recent Emmy Awards, unpacks the new Charlie Sheen documentary, scrutinizes Meghan Markle’s Netflix play, and offers a scathing (and funny) look at influencer thirst and fan culture. As always, nothing is off limits and the ribbing is real.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celebrity & Fan Encounters

• Fan Interactions: Chris recounts awkward but flattering fan interactions, including being recognized when exhausted and getting a massage from a Juicy Scoop fan in Dallas.
  • “They invited family members to stand behind the counter and just stare… for some people, I am a star.” (03:10 - 04:07, Chris)
  • Heather teases Chris about not getting “canceled” for a bad fan encounter: “If you weren’t that, there’d be TikToks written about you. They would be looking to cancel you.” (02:53 - 03:16, Heather)

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2. 2025 Emmy Awards: A Roasting

• Show Format and Critique:
  • Both are relieved not to attend, calling the event “clunky” and poorly directed.
  • Opening sketch is heavily critiqued for being “lazy” and a recycled SNL bit. (06:22 - 06:50)
  • “At first I thought it was so not funny and then as I watched I was like, oh, that's clever—a streaming joke—but yeah, they're reading the cue cards, like, you could have memorized it.” (06:50, Heather)
• Notable Segments:
  • Praise for Brad Garrett and Ray Romano's banter:
    “Will I make the In Memoriam? Very funny—dark humor without being too dark.” (09:04, Heather)
  • Dislike of “money to Boys & Girls Club” running gag:
    “It was a good idea… and then it was a joke that got beaten to death.” (07:37, Chris)
• Fashion Notes:
  • Appreciation for Pedro Pascal’s all-white suit and Sidney Sweeney looking “young and snatched with your titties out.” (10:35 - 11:03, Heather)
• Changing Landscape of TV:
  • Discussion of late-night TV’s fading relevance.
    “I think more people would rather see Jennifer Aniston in a two-hour interview on a podcast… than a seven-minute thing to promote a movie.” (13:22 - 14:06, Chris)
  • Nostalgia for when award shows “felt special” versus now: “It's just not special because everyone has Instagram, everyone has a podcast, there's so many shows.” (25:29 - 25:44, Heather)

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3. Meghan Markle’s Netflix Show: A ‘Lesson’ in Hype and Regrets

• Show Review:
  • Meghan’s low-key Netflix cooking/influencer show falls flat for both. No “juicy conversation” or apparent appeal.
  • “Literally any mom in Texas is doing exactly what you’re doing—being a mom influencer, making cute things, trying to act funny when you’re not.” (19:38, Heather)
  • Heather opines Meghan squandered her opportunity: “You could have stayed in London… been a princess and done the same cooking show. How many people can say I'm a princess?” (19:55 - 20:30)
• Celebrity “Relatability” Dissed:
  • “She loves to mention every job she’s ever had… like, mention a few more regular people jobs.” (22:38 - 22:40, Chris)
  • Chris wonders if Meghan and Harry ever evaluated their choices or feel they played it wrong.

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4. The Charlie Sheen Netflix Documentary: Pop Culture Chaos

• Documentary Recap:
  • The duo agree it’s well-edited but exhaustive—a “love letter” to Charlie Sheen’s own ego.
  • “By midway episode two I’m like, I think I got it… just drug addict behavior and privilege.” (27:32, Chris)
  • Heather notes stark double standards:
    “Men get the chances over and over… if this happened to Julia Roberts after Pretty Woman would she have got seven more chances?” (29:59, Heather)
• Family Dynamics:
  • Omission of Charlie’s mother and sister from the doc flagged as odd.
• Enabler Critique:
  • Both pan Sheen’s best friend Tony for being an “enabler” who milked the friendship for jobs (Anger Management):
    “He is the definition of an enabling childhood friend to a big star.” (39:00 - 40:13, Heather)
• Heidi Fleiss & Hollywood’s Underbelly:
  • Heather: “I’m obsessed with Heidi Fleiss! …I would go to Vegas to interview her.” (41:14)
  • Chris: “If you told me 30 years ago that Heidi would end up with parrots, I’d say that seems right.” (41:56)
• Rumors, Allegations & Reboots:
  • They discuss the resurfaced Corey Haim rape allegation: “He totally denies it in the doc and says I should have thought about suing…” (46:04, Heather)
  • Chris predicts a “Two and a Half Men” reboot is likely: “They’re going to reboot Two and a Half Men with Cryer and Charlie Sheen back, I’m telling you!” (42:24, Chris)
• Entertaining Tangent:
  • Heather: “He was the first person that did these like ‘I’m just famous, come buy a ticket’ tours.” (83:24)

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5. Denise Richards, Divorce, and Messy Realities

• House Drama:
  • Both lambast Denise’s estranged husband for shaming her on TV by showing a messy house:
    “If you care about your elderly parents, why do you have 15 dogs around them? Clean it up, fucker!” (51:19, Heather)
• Scamming & Flaky Men:
  • Heather relays her own youthful dating scams involving rental cars and manipulative men (69:27 - 77:09).
  • Chris: “My family, everything was a scam household… probably missed out on some opportunities because of it!” (68:22)

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6. William White & 'Thirst Trap' — The Dark Side of TikTok Fandom

• The Documentary:
  • Both eviscerate the Paramount+ doc 'Thirst Trap,' in which middle-aged women lavish cash and attention on TikTok heartthrob William White.
  • “I have never been more embarrassed to be a Gen X woman than this doc.” (55:34, Heather)
  • “I was dying… just shocked at how dumb everyone was… the stupidity drove me insane.” (56:10, Chris)
• Social Media & Fan Delusion:
  • The hosts dissect why this phenomenon happens—shared nostalgia, loneliness, and finding community in fan groups:
    “If it was a bunch of 50-year-old men pining after a 21-year-old girl in Canada it would be weird, but they do have that—it’s called OnlyFans.” (57:19, Heather)
  • Revelations about William White’s explicit online activity and rapid decline in looks.
  • “I was just… smoking weed and jerking off my cousin.” (60:41, Heather quoting William White)
  • “Eventually handsome wears off.” (60:11, Chris)
• On Scams & Loneliness:
  • Both agree: the real root is older women’s loneliness and the search for connection after kids leave home.
  • Heather: “Every love con situation is with a woman in her late forties or older…” (63:21)
  • Chris: “You'd think, at 19, living in Canada… he could have taken them for more.” (63:51)
  • The cycle of hate toward former idolized influencers is discussed: “Now the fan becomes the hater.” (64:08, Heather)

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7. Love Scams, Lonely Hearts & Life Lessons

• Scam Stories:
  • Both share personal stories and gripes about scams in dating and the pervasiveness of love cons, reflecting how easy it is to get conned emotionally and financially.
  • Heather tells of three pre-marriage scams, including car rentals, fake managers, and “Wall Street types” (69:39 - 77:09).
• Heather’s Insight:
  • “The amount of women that are scammer influencers, who just love the attention and then they throw in a fake disease… it’s fascinating.” (67:41)
  • “I've never been more embarrassed to be a Gen X woman than this doc.” (55:34, Heather)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you weren’t that [nice to fans], there’d be TikToks written about you. They would be looking to cancel you.” (02:53, Heather)
• “At first I thought [the Emmys opener] was so not funny, then as I was watching I was like—oh, that's clever, a streaming joke. Okay, all right.” (06:56, Heather)
• “Men get the chances over and over… if this happened to Julia Roberts, would she get seven more chances?” (29:59, Heather)
• “He is the definition of an enabling childhood friend to a big star.” (39:00, Heather on Tony)
• “Literally any mom in Texas is doing exactly what you’re doing…” (19:38, Heather on Meghan’s influencer show)
• “I have never been more embarrassed to be a Gen X woman than this doc.” (55:34, Heather on Thirst Trap)
• “You could have been a princess AND had a TV show.” (20:15, Heather on Meghan Markle)
• “Eventually, handsome wears off.” (60:11, Chris on William White)
• “My family, everything was a scam household… so much so that we probably missed out on some opportunities.” (68:22, Chris)
• “I got scammed three times by men—before Peter.” (69:27, Heather)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Chris’s Fan Massage Story: 03:16 – 04:29
• Emmy Awards Deep Dive: 04:46 – 25:44
• Meghan Markle Critique: 19:38 – 24:23
• Charlie Sheen Doc Discussion: 27:04 – 48:53
• Denise Richards Divorce/Mess: 51:19 – 55:28
• William White/Thirst Trap: 55:28 – 62:54
• Love Con/Scammer Stories: 62:54 – 77:09
• Heather’s Scammer Dating Stories: 69:27 – 77:09

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Tone and Style

Conversational, punchy, and laced with Heather’s sharp-witted pop culture takes. Chris Franjola’s dry humor and cynicism balance the zaniness. Both offer personal anecdotes and side stories for relatable color.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a jam-packed, irreverent romp through the latest in Hollywood awards, scandals, and internet cringe. No celebrity—living or Netflix-immortalized—is safe from Heather and Chris’s loving but unfiltered roast. If you care about celebrity culture, influencer missteps, or just want to laugh at the wildness of modern fame, this is a juicy, essential listen.

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Want more? HeatherMcDonald.net for tickets/patreon. Chris’s tour dates and podcast “Cover to Cover” also discussed toward the end (87:03+).

Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Franjola]

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[Heather McDonald]

Time heather mcdonald has got the juicy scoop when you're on the road when you're on the go juicy scoop is the show to know she talks hollywood tales for real life mister sigmund serial data and cereal sister you'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast listen in listen up heather mcdonald juicy scoop hello and welcome to juicy scoop i have your favorite as promised you would know if you were part of patreon go to heathermcdonald dot net and join also on patreon also a podcaster dad blue eyed former model turned funny guy chris frangiola thank you you blue eyed delight in my facebook group the juicy script obsessed facebook group very coveted place to be they're fun over there this woman said i did run into chris at the airport and he was the delight that we all thought and i just want to say as a celebrity i know it's not always convenient to talk to.

[Chris Franjola]

A juicy scooper i'm so happy that she said that because it couldn't have been a worse time to see me it was like right off the plane on like a shuttle to go get my car like six o' clock in the morning exhausted yeah it's just exhausted and just you know everything that happens on fly whatever i pulled it together and i was nice no you were.

[Heather McDonald]

Beyond a delight you said he's everything we wanted him to be now see if you weren't that then there'd be tiktoks written about you they would be looking to cancel you trying to ruin your life because one day you were just like a little short with someone being tired but thank god you've told yourself i begged for this life and now i have it so be a delight when someone's dying can i give.

[Chris Franjola]

You another fan story that was a little strange and i don't know if you've ever had to deal with this somebody offered me and it was very nice of them to do i was in dallas and they had a spa and they said would you like to come in for a massage well on us everything blah blah blah i said that would be lovely so i went this weekend to a massage and that's a weird one when the person is like a fan cuz you're almost wait.

[Heather McDonald]

She was actually doing the massage yeah i thought you were but they owned.

[Chris Franjola]

The spa no yeah but it was so there was a lot of talk of like my because i fell asleep during it and then she's like yeah and you fell asleep i was like all right i got it but you just know that she'll be telling those stories now for the that's like a weird place to be did you know.

[Heather McDonald]

When you when you got offered the massage that the actual person who was the fan was going to be doing.

[Chris Franjola]

Like they were all fans everybody there like they were waiting for me she invited family members to stand behind the counter and it was they were just like staring it was a weird listen i know i'm not that big a star but for some people i am you know what i mean like was.

[Heather McDonald]

It a six handed massage did they all get in the room and one person got a calf and the other.

[Chris Franjola]

Person got a forearm one person doing it but it was just all i didn't know what to i didn't know how to prepare i don't get completely naked anyway but i always keep my inside i certainly wasn't gonna for this no way yeah i don't need them talking anyway wow it's hard being famous.

[Heather McDonald]

It really is but thank god we were not famous enough because neither of us were at the emmys last night.

[Chris Franjola]

No we were not at the emmys.

[Heather McDonald]

Not could not be less jealous no i'm not i mean is that the way i mean i'm not jealous at all not jealous at all that's what.

[Chris Franjola]

I'M trying to say did you watch.

[Heather McDonald]

It i did i did watch it.

[Chris Franjola]

Did you watch it like did you tune in like five o' clock because.

[Heather McDonald]

Here we get it i caught it and then joined in like i looked up like the monologue which was the.

[Chris Franjola]

Sketch it was they opened with a sketch which was i believe a bad idea i think they shouldn't have opened.

[Heather McDonald]

With a sketch i first thought it was at first i thought it was horrible and then as it went on i thought okay this is why i think it was kind of so there's a comedian or a funny content creator and i apologize again once again i did not like write down her name but she put on like a gray hair and gray beard and did a very good impression of nate and it was her prediction of what the monologue would be and it was so dead on corny like with the severance jokes and all that stuff and i was like oh my god what if that is literally some of the jokes and so i kind of thought you know what if it's he probably was like you said when you got here it seemed like he was a little bit it seemed a little lazy can i say that yeah well i didn't realize i did not realize this was a sketch he already did on the show.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah no for saturday night live okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Well yeah i mean that is something.

[Chris Franjola]

It was very similar they did a george washington sketches that live it was like the biggest i think it was.

[Heather McDonald]

Like okay so okay so then they kind of took so then they kind of took that idea and made it.

[Chris Franjola]

This and in the parameters of sinai live it worked because they were all reading the cue cards and stuff and when you watch saturday night live that almost seems normal but they were still doing it on the emmys and it looked weird it looked weird that they were like reading the cue cards like.

[Heather McDonald]

You could have memorized it for this.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah yeah so i thought that was just an odd i don't know it got off to a weird start at.

[Heather McDonald]

First i thought it was so not funny and then as i was watching i was like i oh that's clever a streaming joke okay all right you.

[Chris Franjola]

Mean the sketch the sketch but i.

[Heather McDonald]

Know you're right listen it's a hard it's a really hard job he's a clean comic he's you know coming up so you don't want to like alienate anybody that might hire you so you're not going to pull a y' all pedophiles y' all pedophiles or whatever you know like no one wants to hear your political statement like so it's just i don't know but then what did you think of the so then he gets off he does that whole thing then he comes out and he says if you go over your time this money from the boys and girls club.

[Chris Franjola]

It was a good idea it was a funny idea that left alone after that i feel like it went it was a joke that got beaten to.

[Heather McDonald]

Death totally agree what they should have done is just did that little thing yeah and then at the end highlighted them and said you know what we're going to start you we gotta be three hundred and fifty but if anyone else could donate great i don't know that they need to have the kids like on stage and stuff yeah yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

That was i thought those might have been kids of celebrities but they were kids no they were boys boys and.

[Heather McDonald]

Girls club okay yeah yeah and yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Let me tell you what the issue is with the emmys and all these things yes they're in first of all the whole thing was like poorly directed i thought and i don't really know anything about directing but i feel like it was just like everything was clunky everybody had to walk too far to get to the microphone there were bits like the golden girls bit i didn't even get it like this country singer singing the golden girls team had nothing to do with anything like i thought then they would be like and now we're going to give away an award i don't know but it had nothing to do with anything so i thought.

[Heather McDonald]

That was strange okay so what did you what bits do you think did.

[Chris Franjola]

Work i honestly you know i mean he's a friend of mine but i thought brad garrett and ray romano were the funniest ones i really do i thought that bit the banter between the two of them and brad garrett saying he thought his career was gonna be better after ray was just so funny and will i make the in memoriam.

[Heather McDonald]

Is a funny very very funny funny dark humor without being too dark yeah also both looking great i know i was like wait a minute that was twenty years ago so you guys were like in your early forties then and now you're in your mid sixties you look great i don't know what ray does for his hair like i'm thinking i always think men that are really you know getting getting up there what they need to do and it's going to cost a lot you're going to have to have a guy come to your house like every two weeks but you've got to just weave in some of the gray but still dye it oh yeah don't go completely white they.

[Chris Franjola]

Do it at supercuts they have a system oh they i don't they do it's like a gradual system i see.

[Heather McDonald]

The ad for it it's genius because you know if you start to get your hair too much then it looks that weird red and then or and then if it's totally white i mean peter has totally white which is fine but if you're going to be an actor and you want to kind of stay in this look so you still look like yourself right then you know so that's the way to go okay so let's just talk about you know what's this guy's name from it pedro pascal pedro pascal chose to wear all white yeah genius a lot of people did with his tan face yeah i thought i thought it was great the only thing i watched that won was hacks i know that was with oh here's here's sydney sweeney looking she came out she was dancing out huh that's exactly what she should be wearing and.

[Chris Franjola]

Looking like well you know what she's doing i think we've talked about it before though but now her next like five movies she's ugly in it up and i don't think it's a good career move she's going like i'm a boxer you know and put on forty pounds no no no not yet wait a little while before you go doing.

[Heather McDonald]

Those roles no i think it's right.

[Chris Franjola]

Just do like a couple of like i'm a surfer that's the next role and just bikinis and jumping in the you know what i mean everybody okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I think she's doing everything right oh yeah all right and then you show up on the red carpet looking young and snatched with your titties out how.

[Chris Franjola]

Did you feel about all the men did you notice this all the men it's like full like nine buttons down like that every guy like that guy from i did not notice that walton goggins but he his shirt was like down to i don't know i mean.

[Heather McDonald]

I guess if you if you're like worked out yeah i don't i think it's good to do something different like wear a different color this girl lisa i don't know who she is she's a singer anyway loved this dress to both the women from hacks won which i loved it's actually a show i've i watch yeah so many of them i have not seen yeah so that made me happy and i do think they're both great actresses and i love their friendship and there you go with that the kid from adolescence was the youngest one to ever win an emmy and i have not watched that show because i don't want to yeah does subject matter the subject matter yeah might be too close i don't know yeah i don't know just how raising boys and i just i'm like i don't know i just i've avoided it but i i know obviously it's incredible it won like everything and i think the guy that like wrote it created it who he thanked you know his wife every i mean he was just it seems incredible so maybe now i will bring myself to to watch it stephen colbert making jokes standing ovation all right.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah it was gonna you know that.

[Heather McDonald]

Was gonna be the case oh boohoo oh boohoo i i don't know where these two hundred people are gonna get a job yeah hello that's the show business again we talked about this last time you're here no one cared about right us when they just like told us to leave and the other thing is no writers guild pay thank you.

[Chris Franjola]

He already has another job he's got another job he's already moving on in netflix he's got they've already signed him not a talk show but something else.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah yeah so whatever i mean he's a nice guy and what i don't know but like i just was literally like oh boo hoo and it's it's not a joke then if you've already been hired yeah i know like what's funny about it then the other thing.

[Chris Franjola]

Is it's just i mean i like stephen colbert i don't really watch the show very often because i just don't watch late night tv just not up anyway but it it's just a changing landscape of tv like they're all going to be done soon it's just he's just the first one right soon there's going to be a point where nobody watches just i don't know most television honestly but especially jimmy kimmel and jimmy fallon not anything political anything like that just because it's they could watch like let's say jennifer aniston i think more people would rather see her in a two hour interview on a podcast like this than a seven minute thing where they're doing the same shtick to promote a movie you know what i mean right when nobody wants that it's just like cadence wise it's not what people.

[Heather McDonald]

Expect anymore i wonder if you know how you always have to have like that dumb little story that you tell.

[Chris Franjola]

That'S what i'm saying like with your.

[Heather McDonald]

Dog or whatever then i wonder if they ever say like i just want to make sure before you do twenty interviews that you save your dumb dog story at the restaurant for jimmy kimmel yeah we don't want it to be.

[Chris Franjola]

Told four times right that's what happens.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean wonder if they do that.

[Chris Franjola]

Now i think they they have to.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah alan cummings rung for traitors yeah of course he should win he's like pretty entertaining and he said he's whatever that was his weird outfit then this was all over sofia vergara had like an eye infection and at the last minute couldn't go oh and had to go to the er and i thought you know what though that's the best thing that could have happened to you because otherwise i wouldn't have even known to talk about you i know she's her job is she's a judge on america's got talent but like yeah i don't know like definitely not as relevant as when you were on the modern modern family so like this isn't the worst thing so kind of smart that.

[Chris Franjola]

You like i think she was i think wasn't she nominated for something isn't she playing like a drug lord on a in a netflix show oh was.

[Heather McDonald]

She nominated i wanted her i don't.

[Chris Franjola]

Know if she was but that might have been last year i got a lot going on in my head and.

[Heather McDonald]

Like gosh go away you know i want now that we're saying that you know the way people will get on someone whether they misspeak on a reality show or whatever because there's a big conference going on real house of oc which i'll get into on wednesday with on thursday with zach peter but i was like the amount of times that i've listened back to my own podcast and i'll say oh we were watching tennis with vanessa williams no i meant venus williams yeah okay and i'm walking and i'm like oh i know that's what i meant right and i know that the people that love juicy scoop are like yeah or i'll say his dad charlie sheen i meant to say martin sheen yeah because i'm talking about charlie sheen's dad it doesn't happen a lot right but it probably happens at least once or twice a week out of the three episodes including patreon yeah and now four with juicy crimes make sure you subscribe and leave a five star review anyway yeah we don't have two hundred people like stephen colbert yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I'M very impressed by anyone who just lets us stumble over everything they say.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Franjola]

A follow my look so how i mean is it watchable i mean what is chrissy teigen did she bring anything to it do you care no there.

[Heather McDonald]

Was nothing like there was no juicy conversation you know everything finishes with the flowers like on the food i did.

[Chris Franjola]

See a clip from that episode where i didn't i think they talk about being suitcase girls on deal or no deal which i didn't realize chrissy teigen was also a suitcase girl i think that's what i got out of it they were talking about john legend pops.

[Heather McDonald]

In for a second like he drove her like he drove her to sourdough.

[Chris Franjola]

Maybe he's waiting outside waiting for sourdough.

[Heather McDonald]

Bread to be read and she's like hi oh hey john legend bye and then and then she's like so i have to so she finally has the bread done yeah and she's like cutting it and i'm just like thinking how i got we used to buy those sourdough rolls so delicious at the israeli bakery in woodland hills for like six point nine nine right and i'm just like what this took you like five days and then and then she's like oh and and she's putting like chrysomian on it which is like my worst hated fruit on this she's like let's make a tartan and she made a thai iced tea for her or whatever because she's thai and oh well i don't know i like i don't know what i worry about her at the.

[Chris Franjola]

Risk of she should be fine at the risk of repeating myself way too much she does mention on this season of love meghan that she worked at mirabel restaurant on sunset boulevard she loves.

[Heather McDonald]

To mention every job that she's ever.

[Chris Franjola]

Had they must have told her like mention a few more regular people jobs that you had because the humphrey yogart thing was a big deal so now she's like yeah i was a hostess at mirabel with she didn't mention my name but she should have i think it would have gotten a little more eyes on the episode i just wonder.

[Heather McDonald]

If there'll ever be a moment where she's like wow i kind of played this wrong i don't know if she.

[Chris Franjola]

Thinks that way because i feel like.

[Heather McDonald]

Someone'S gonna yell at me and be like heather she was suicidal she was so distraught about the noise but again you're the princess okay you're the princess you don't have to look at your phone you could tell your staff please don't share any negativity with me i just want to if someone writes a beautiful letter you know what i'd love to have that with my coffee in the morning coffee not tea i'm american and like i don't know i'm just so much about like god this shit should not rule your life because it doesn't have to right it does not have to so it's like oh yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

But she also don't you think maybe they're like you know i think we did the right thing or in a gorgeous part of california beautiful weather great house i'm sure they're in montecito it's real nice up there yeah but i think it might be a port there might be like you know we did.

[Heather McDonald]

The right thing i think you could have played it i think you could have done both yeah it's like i think you could have been just like a president that goes to their you know ranch all the time like she could have been like i'm american so we're gonna we're gonna spend you know two months of the summer every summer in santa barbara yeah all right that's what we're gonna do that's when i'll do my fun la shit yeah and then for the rest of the time i'm gonna do my princessy stuff there's no way she can ever get it.

[Chris Franjola]

Back yeah it's over but didn't he go back recently no i don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

That he's getting back with them i don't know okay let's talk about other people that made huge mistakes in their life charlie sheen let me just fix.

[Chris Franjola]

The emmys for a second oh for.

[Heather McDonald]

All yes please tell us yes they.

[Chris Franjola]

Do it in the venue's too large they do it in a venue that's too large okay when i take over the directing the emmys next year you need to break it down to put it in a four hundred seat theater just the celebrities we don't care about the families and the other people working on the show do that in a different night okay whatever another type of emmy that's untelevised for the televised portion just the celebrities the good looking people the cute outfits four hundred of them it's too big for people the stage is too big did you see that.

[Heather McDonald]

Poor so you say they can't even have a plus one no a plus.

[Chris Franjola]

One fine but i'm saying not the family members way up in the in the balcony okay that it's too big the stage was too big last night it everything got lost in the in the bigness of the stage and everything and i thought that was a big.

[Heather McDonald]

Problem i've said this before like i used to be excited to watch this stuff we used to watch this stuff as a family we used to know it we used to like be cheering for our people when they wanted and love their little funny quips that they said now i just feel what i've said before it's just not special because everyone has instagram because everyone has a podcast because there's so many shows there's too many to even be rooting for menendez brothers didn't win dying for sex didn't win like everything white lotus barely won anything like i just felt like everything i liked like except for hacks that was it and so all right whatever there you go okay now let's get to charlie sheen yep i watched it two part netflix i think in general done really well very entertainingly for a two part doc yeah because i've said that drake is very getting very annoyed with how many docs there are and how long the docs are because i like with william white which we'll get to i said will you watch this with me and i know that if he saw that it was two parts that he would get mad and leave and i said oh it's just one i lied lied to my son's faith it's just one and then he was like oh my god like this is so when is that and then so he's now he says now from now on mom if it's two parts you have to bring me in at the top of episode two and just recap episode one because i cannot take how long these are and he's like when is the doc gonna come that's all about how there's too many docs there's a doc just about too many docs and we watch too many docs.

[Chris Franjola]

Well i'll be honest with you i kind of agree with drake on both things because and i feel like this charlie sheen one was where i got to the point where i'm like i feel like we might have jumped a shark with documentaries because i know this is a new this is a new thing like take one celebrity like it worked with i mean even harry and meghan had something yeah stallone has something and and it's just like all right i kind of get the idea but this one by the by midway episode two i'm like i think i got.

[Heather McDonald]

It it's such an ego love letter to yourself yeah and but i do think it was done well because at least we kind of we in him telling a story we also had a visual aid to it whether it was his old home movies or actual stuff he had done so i actually thought there was some real like film documentary like work editing work that was put into making it entertaining yeah and you.

[Chris Franjola]

Were talking earlier about ray romano and his hair i don't know what charlie sheen's doing but something was up with it and if it's dyed or fake.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you think it's fake i don't.

[Chris Franjola]

Know but then i feel like it.

[Heather McDonald]

Just looks off i feel like he always had the hair and martin sheen has the hair and so do both the brothers so i don't think it's.

[Chris Franjola]

No i don't think it's fake i just think it's the color doesn't match the face right that's all i'm not.

[Heather McDonald]

Saying it's even color he goes he needs to go to ray romano's guy who's doing ray romano's hair go over to charlie sheen's house a lot was covered in this and you know we start out with his childhood and how he he said some there were some interesting things that he said not only was he a nepo baby but he's act was actually a really good actor that like everyone was like oh my god charlie sheen's even more exciting than emilio estevez because their dad was martin.

[Chris Franjola]

Sheen and because of his his little cameo in ferris bueller's day off was the thing that kind of catapulted him.

[Heather McDonald]

Into like yes and i totally do remember that leaving your impression on me like oh my god that was such a funny weird part yeah and then i think that with like what oh he says you know there's that expression if at first you don't succeed keep trying he's like no one says what happens when you succeed right away yeah like you know and being that he had that that privilege and love of doing drugs probably addictive genes if that exists some people say it doesn't but i think it does and and then just also knowing that as a man can i just say as a woman if a woman had that trajectory if this happened to julia roberts after pretty woman as well as ever now just imagine pretty woman she already did a little thing in mystic pizza pretty woman biggest movie everyone loves her she goes off the deep end yeah and is not showing up on set and doing drugs and everything would they give her seven more chances no right but him and robert downey junior and like men get the chances over and over and.

[Chris Franjola]

Over again lindsay lohan's got a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

Of chances no she really didn't she when she really fell off it was because they were like well we can't get anyone to insure you anymore yeah and she really now is getting these small chances with these cheesy movies but that's after she had to like go hang out with like russian billionaires on yachts and do things that no one.

[Chris Franjola]

Wants to talk about break restaurant for.

[Heather McDonald]

A minute she reached it a bit she had a reality show about her.

[Chris Franjola]

Beach club she was dancing weird she.

[Heather McDonald]

Had to rescue syrian refugees or whatever off the street and she had an accent i don't even know what yeah no i'm trying to think of somebody gonna be gone for a long time get a full blown new facelift yeah and and and finally you know get to do something else but like so anyway with this i thought it was you know really interesting and i want to bring up so it brings up chuck lore because that's when we were really covering it when he had chuck lorre chuck lorre when he had two and a half men yeah and it was kind of interesting because i was like wait what happened when so he got the show as a sober person after spin city and it was immediately a hit and then because that height of success again and he had denise so he had everything going for him and that's when he started to like use pain pills and start using again right so then she divorces him and he still is on it and so then when does it happen where he then he starts up but then they still say wait i'm confused so then he marries brooke and he's like i'm mad that they didn't stop the show so that i could be in the nicu with the twins yeah and they're like well we're not going to stop the show because we've already sold like three years of ads yeah so keep coming and then his behavior gets bad but they need him so badly that they give him two million an episode right yes was that the order according to that and then he's still like fuck you and that's when he started to like speak horribly about chuck and the tiger blood and winning and and you're just like oh if you couldn't handle my brain or like i'm such a genius like i hate people like that like i just go so fast my brain's going so fast you know like yeah you wouldn't be able to.

[Chris Franjola]

Handle well he was completely drugged out yeah yeah that was like a sixty minute interview whatever it was where he was completely off the rails right i'm my opinion of the whole thing and i actually like charlie sheen of course you know i've like wall street and i liked platoon and everything you know i don't think i really watched two and a half men but i got it right i get the appeal of the guy loved it yeah so did everybody in the world got the appeal of it i think he comes off and he came off in this like a bit of a i don't know privileged asshole like he the guy got everything got everything i mean and then i felt bad for the poor dad martin sheen who like literally like had to go pick this guy up from hospitals and shit and was just like trying everyone else in the family seemed to be fine like the brother the older brother ramon and emilio seemed to be fine so i wondered why his.

[Heather McDonald]

Younger sister who's fifty eight year old actress that i looked her up because i remember her for like an after school special but she really hasn't worked since like two thousand three she wasn't part of it the mom we never hear or see about the mom yeah i think there's something strange there and then also the we don't see emilio.

[Chris Franjola]

And well emilio doesn't do anything he he stays out of like the limelight.

[Heather McDonald]

A lot does it even work anymore.

[Chris Franjola]

Or no and i don't think it directs a little bit but i don't think so not much and so you.

[Heather McDonald]

Know i wonder and then brooke wife.

[Chris Franjola]

Number two she seems to have it.

[Heather McDonald]

Together my god she's clearly still using.

[Chris Franjola]

No it's just like i'm like this.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Franjola]

Dot com i felt that way about every single denise richards too i was like jesus christ fucking put it together.

[Heather McDonald]

Well at least she had like hair and makeup and stuff yeah a little too much yeah but then she's gotten like a little facelift i think yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Whatever i think everybody involved in it.

[Heather McDonald]

Well i'm glad that you're talking about it because i'm gonna talk about it.

[Chris Franjola]

Sean penn came off a little odd.

[Heather McDonald]

To me yeah like really you have to smoke and scrape some coke off your table in the middle of an.

[Chris Franjola]

Interview he was like doing chores it's like are we i'm sorry are we getting in your way mister penn he was about to paint the door for god's sake he's moving around.

[Heather McDonald]

So true okay so now i'm gonna talk about something that's gonna be a little controversial.

[Chris Franjola]

Controversial oh no.

[Heather McDonald]

Talk about an enabler the best friend from little league yeah the black guy tony yeah i'm sorry dude you are an enabler well he.

[Chris Franjola]

Said he was he said something to.

[Heather McDonald]

That effect and so i looked up what did he do what was his job because he seemed to be there through all of it yeah which there was a moment when he's losing his mind and his tooth he didn't have a tooth and he goes i just got fired from a warner brothers wedding and then like you see tony give him a fist bump like oh man you got this that's not a good friend like a good friend should be like seriously charlie like just you don't want to work with chuck lord anymore fine like you don't need to bash him you don't need to like stop let's get you you know whatever no he was just always along for the ride whatever was happening he was there at bail bound and so then i looked it up and i'm like what has he done and drake's like oh he's did some film work i'm like what he's like a show called anger management twenty nine episodes i'm like exactly it's charlie sheen show yeah look he's lucky to have him i'm sure he's a good person right he is the definition of an enabling childhood friend to a big star at one point he.

[Chris Franjola]

Says something of that to the effect he says i i probably shouldn't have been there like during some of this but i felt like i needed to be otherwise he'd be dead right that's.

[Heather McDonald]

What i'm saying i mean it's a very hard position to be right and then also it's your livelihood yeah you're the paid best friend you're the entourage.

[Chris Franjola]

I mean there was a couple of nicolas cage moments where he's just like i'm in the hospital get out of the hospital we gotta go to this hawaiian tropic thing and nicholas cage didn't give a shit and he was just like come on man we gotta go to hawaiian tropic party yeah that was.

[Heather McDonald]

Pretty amazing and then also that he he said that he lost his virginity to a professional you know sex worker when he was fifteen and i'm like yeah hello that should fuck you up yeah that's why teachers screwing their fifteen year old sons students shouldn't happen it's weird yeah it's weird it made you weird right you know that like that's why you had an insatiable appetite for like sex and prostitutes you know oh the heidi fleiss stuff was my favorite.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh yeah that was pretty good i'm.

[Heather McDonald]

Obsessed with heidi fleiss anyone that knows heidi fleiss i would go to vegas to interview her now i'm sure she's done being interviewed but i would do whatever it took i was so fast i've been so fascinated her life story it was so great to hear her point of view and also why he had to come forward because it was he had girl he they said if you have one prostitute for yourself that's one thing but if you got three of them to come over and your friends all partook yeah now that's like trafficking and you're looking at three to five years which was why he had to turn on heidi fleiss and then heidi fleiss was like man if you.

[Chris Franjola]

Told me thirty years ago that heidi fleiss was gonna wind up with a lot of parrots in her house i would have been like yeah that seems about right she's now like an old parrot lady which still looks kind of good no she yeah still like i.

[Heather McDonald]

Like everyone's you know thank god for plastic surgery everybody kind of looks pretty.

[Chris Franjola]

Actually the next documentary i would rather watch her in the parrot house oh.

[Heather McDonald]

I'M sure she already i'm sure the people that went to the parrot place already have a doc and i also think that charlie will announce his podcast within the next month i'm gonna give.

[Chris Franjola]

You even a bolder prediction in that okay are you ready for this i am telling you you watch they are going to reboot two and a half men with crier and charlie sheen back i'm telling you they got not maybe not the kid because i know he's a little off his rocker too and he's now forty so they're gonna have.

[Heather McDonald]

To get hold on hold on i.

[Chris Franjola]

Got it charlie sheen come back to.

[Heather McDonald]

Do something it's two and a half men because jon cryer's son left the grandson the the clean the character of the clean cut son has gone off yeah and the two grandpas yeah have custody of now a kid that's like eight like yeah right and it's the same they're the same characters yeah and they'll put it on netflix leanne is on netflix with chuck so chuck has a deal at netflix chuck lori's already over there you know what you're right i'd rather see that than him do another john crier is going to have.

[Chris Franjola]

To do it on his terms because he's like no if you want me i'm not going to that also jon.

[Heather McDonald]

Cryer looks so much better bald oh one hundred fifty eight than whatever he is than he ever did on that show i think he like had could have like a studly thing where like what happened to him in the past he got married and got divorced and now he's loving tinder because there's just women coming for him right and left so finally he's getting laid as the guy that never got laid because of.

[Chris Franjola]

The apps right eight episodes in and out you don't have to be you don't have to do twenty seasons yeah just eight episodes everybody watches everyone loves it jon cryer gets paid again i think he's doing fine but he always comes off relatively normal because i see him on a bunch of podcasts and stuff and he just constantly has to talk about charlie sheen and two and a half men and he's probably like i'm done with talking about this like right but he still handles it well.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah because his own life is normal yeah so like yeah and i think he's been married to his wife for quite a while and like he was like a news reporter they've been together a long time so like yeah so then i think yeah and then charlie you can write whatever backstory you want for charlie does he have like you know a couple divorced wives is he have he should have a daughter doing only fans yeah he absolutely should they showed they the other daughter that wasn't part of it sammy she posted saying i didn't know i was the reason he got sober because he talks about how he started drinking again yeah and she needed him to take her to her hair get her hair done and so he had like a driver come and she was like why and he looked at her face and he was like i gotta stop i gotta get sober again so he does bring up the corey feldman stuff at the end at the end ironically he and corey feldman in fedora's look alike i know look so much alike kind of weird yeah and core it's interesting because corey feldman is doing dancing with the stars right now and according to an article i saw he isn't going to the rehearsals oh really but you know he can dance like michael jackson so i'm sure they'll do something with that watch that again and he for those that you don't know corey feldman put out his own documentary right in which himself and several other people that knew corey haim who has since passed said that when corey hank corey haim told them allegedly it's it's a hearsay story that when he was on the set of lucas that he was assaulted or groomed or whatever you want to say by charlie and charlie totally denies it raped.

[Chris Franjola]

By charlie sheen yes with the term.

[Heather McDonald]

They use and he totally denies it in the doc and says i should have thought about suing well i don't think you could i mean you're saying it because someone's saying a dead man told me this yeah and i'm just telling you what he told me right it's not it's not corey feldman saying i walked in on the two of them he's just saying he told me as my best friend that that is what led to him being really effed up over the years right and then there were these other people that said and then but but his own mother corey haim's mother said no that wasn't true yeah well a lot of people don't tell their mother that they're being molested it's probably the last person you want to tell so either he never told her or she doesn't want to believe it or or it didn't happen overall we you started to get a little tired by the second yeah i.

[Chris Franjola]

Feel like i got it do you remember i feel like it was like all just like a drug addict behavior and i feel like you know eventually it's even with the corey haim stuff i'm like yeah i mean but they're corey haim had his problems as well right so i feel like whether it was any of it true or not i don't know but i feel like it's just it's all just like drug addict behavior of accusations weird stuff like.

[Heather McDonald]

That right and what i also can't understand is like when i always remember this in reading people's autobiographies whether it's mackenzie phillips or that this one guy that was on mad tv that was on howard stern too i can't remember his name artie lang yeah like they would write these stories of just being like i did this many grams of coke and this heroin and then this and i was up for four days and then this happened and then this person said this to me i'm like how the fuck would you remember that's.

[Chris Franjola]

The way i felt about charlie she.

[Heather McDonald]

Would you remember like how do you know what your story is charlie sheen.

[Chris Franjola]

Seemed to have a lot of memories of everything and we still don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

Why his car twice in a month went down the ravine without a lot.

[Chris Franjola]

Of things and also i feel like he's had a pretty good like movie career and there was really no i wanted to hear more about like how did you get the part on wall street how did you handle working on wall street you know i felt like some of the stuff was more interesting than some than hearing from his drug dealer that you know well that's what.

[Heather McDonald]

Those will be the things that we get into on the podcast right yeah i think he'll do both he's gonna do the podcast and he's gonna do the two and a half men he'll quit the podcast after a year but the two and a half men thing might stick right right and in the podcast yeah you said you didn't know what it's like to be a stockbroker so how did you embody such a perfect character right you know that would.

[Chris Franjola]

Be interesting or how were you screwed up during the film of that or major league or some of the movies that are great anything about those that just a quick clip of maybe they couldn't get the rights to something certain.

[Heather McDonald]

Well i mean i just think they're like let's just yeah we got to shorten it to the juiciest stuff you know and i'm sure i'm sure there's a part of him that was telling too long winded of a story and they're just like okay grandpa like right you know let's get to the to the good stuff but you know denise crying about how you know she still kind of loves him and everything and we now know her horrible situation with aaron her now husband so aaron and she are getting a divorce and so people are saying the same thing they said about the pamela anderson documentary of like oh she and tommy should get back together nobody should get back together it's fine that they can get along because they have kids at one time they're going to grandparent together like lucy and ricky did that's nice nice but the that that denise saw charlie go through you really think she would ever want to be intimate with him again forget about the fact that he's admitted hiv and been with men and prostitutes and everything else like how could you ever like lose yourself in that and like want to be with him ever again in any intimate way no way.

[Chris Franjola]

But i feel like now that this girl denise richards with this guy that she's currently with i feel like as you know she's we're seeing some patterns.

[Heather McDonald]

Here i mean i think she no.

[Chris Franjola]

I think then i saw the guy posted a video of the inside of.

[Heather McDonald]

Their house yes so he showed he decides to take everybody he he going on a campaign and i told denise this when i saw at the kathy hilton party i go aaron going on a campaign to try to win over your fans yeah good luck you are never going to win over anybody you have your family your both your parents and your brother living in a house that she has not lived in for like at least two years maybe four years okay and he takes the insider edition people upstairs to show her messy bathroom and her messy you know makeup and he's like this is how we have to live in squalor clean it up fucker like clean it up she's not there you have fifteen dogs then take all the dogs to her house get a kennel to pick them all up and take them if you don't want them like both of you like it's your you care about your elderly parents why do you have fifteen dogs around them then send them off to canada leave the property yeah she's trying to get you to leave what does.

[Chris Franjola]

This guy do that he got denise richards and you know i'll tell you exactly it's hard enough for people to meet people you hear all that i can't meet him and this guy was like hold on before it's like all this stuff that you probably know about me ready and my parents are coming along to live here as well like how do you get denise richards okay.

[Heather McDonald]

First of all he is a good looking guy all right fair enough so he did some reeky some weird thing about like oh get your chakra right and he actually had office space in malibu chakra office i don't know it's not even chakra it's something else it's here's a machine it sounds like it's across the between the machine that you do at scientology and another one that like reads your color aura okay it's just some stuff i don't care it's people okay so she goes and she gets her chakra right because he has a big dick and they have wait.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh he went to she went she.

[Heather McDonald]

Got an appointment at his place yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh and that's how they met and.

[Heather McDonald]

They'Re instantly like attracted to each other and and i think that you know he was a different vibe for her like he's like like not an actor and a fit guy and she has the two daughters and then she had a daughter that she adopted who you know at bir at birth didn't know till the little girl was three that she like was non verbal special needs he was seemed really receptive to being a step or dad to that child yeah so i think that was all there and then she told me like i never wanted to get divorced again because the divorce charlie was so horrible he was he was saying horrible things about denise and the press charlie and everything so i think she just put band aids on it and part of the band aids was they had all these different like the condos that they would live in separately from each other let the parents have this one i don't know and i think and then they do this reality show and i think now it's like yeah but she is she has claimed that he physically abused her he says oh that was that bruise on her eye was makeup up she you know my poor elderly parents we're not allowed to go upstairs and touch her stuff what are you saying like right even if you didn't like don't throw away your stuff but you could at least box it up yeah you could at least clean the rat droppings like what are you talking about like it's just like the four of you don't have jobs the two old parents you and your brother and you're strapping like you have a like clean it up what are you doing.

[Chris Franjola]

All day i feel like the real problem here is everyone has too much shit i mean i looked i can't look at that clutter i mean i'm like a weirdo i watch that video and i see that even like the gene hackman when they i've seen videos of their inside of their home the wife and and i was like oh my god everyone's just got too much moisturizer you know what i mean i know we all i know you try one and it doesn't work i know.

[Heather McDonald]

You gotta really like like force yourself.

[Chris Franjola]

And then you don't want to throw it out because it's brand new so you're like i'll keep this one i'm not going to use it again but next thing you know your counters rule.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah you know i'm going to go through a purge next thing you know you die of hunta virus of all her makeup i'm like yeah i gotta like purge mine a little bit but that's what i think with that okay now we're going to talk about william white william white took over tiktok sensation and he was on juicy scoop he was he was on juicy scoop because i thought i was because of the way tick tock works because of my age and demographic i was one of the women that tick tock thought i would get wet for him and he would lip sync these songs not well by the way never bothered to learn the words of the song no he'd be like oh mandy yeah like he couldn't even like do it a buddy was a babe and he kind of had long hair and he's from canada with sparkly blue eyes and perfect white teeth and they thought you know people all these women were like stitching it and getting excited so i had him on the show and i did think he was not smart no he seemed.

[Chris Franjola]

He comes off very smart oh my god this doc i couldn't even everybody was so dumb in his documentary not.

[Heather McDonald]

Only him the dumbest i literally said i have never out of all the documents documentaries ever seen about women being taken love con tinder swindler dirty john you know a ninety day fiance whatever it is i have never been more embarrassed to be a gen x woman woman than this than this doc if you ever want to just say how.

[Chris Franjola]

Desperate it's called thirst trap it's on paramount plus i don't know if anybody's watched it but but you told me.

[Heather McDonald]

To watch yes i made you watch.

[Chris Franjola]

It and i mean i was dying i was dying i just was shocked at how dumb everybody was like the women i know that's kind of what they probably wanted but man it was one of those ones where i once again agree with drake i was just over it by the i watched the whole thing but man now i don't like there's so many good looking there's a lot of good looking men out there who sing songs like i don't understand why everybody got caught up in.

[Heather McDonald]

This dope i'm gonna explain what it was it was twofold it was it was one that the women it reminded them of like a high school boyfriend because of the songs that he was singing and his look was like a little i don't get from that era but the second part is what was interesting if you're if you're big on social media and facebook groups and things like that the women found each other yeah and they had their little fun group and where they all like like love the same thing i see it a lot in my world with the bravo stuff yeah and why it's fun to like go to bravo con and like make we have our little group and everybody has their little names and.

[Chris Franjola]

Sure i understand like i mean i.

[Heather McDonald]

Had a yeah like juicy scoopers whatever but but this was like obviously a smaller niche and it was about this guy and yeah if it was a bunch of fifty year old men pining after a twenty one year old girl in canada it would be weird but they do have that it's called onlyfans i mean they're yeah you know so but so what was was crazy is so then these women and i want to spoil it for you because you don't need to sit through it sorry no these women go and they get him a ticket to go to amfar gala in in miami or wherever and then one of like the youngest of the women yeah who has also got like a bit of a social media following he flirts with her and they they go upstairs and they well that's what happens in all of these groups without sex or whatever when a fan gets too close to the star right whoever they're following they turn on them then they turn on her yeah oh my god like how did you get to them like they all turn on her so that was crazy and then the other thing that was interesting is that this other woman that's part of the interview with the horrible the older like fifty year old woman that was an only fans lady with a weird bedroom she was like saying i don't think that his little sister should be featured in the videos like parenting his mom and her because the little girl was obviously being exposed to millions of people because his following was so big and so then she felt like he came after her and then she came after him with these nudes so then here's the juice then all he and his cousin who's a man they have they're like the same age and they're like doing jerk off videos together yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Which that was yeah that was strange.

[Heather McDonald]

And he just was like unapologetic about that too like just like charlie sheen not that you should be but he just had no explanation for it he was just like yeah anyway i didn't think i looked that good in it but okay and i'm like well did you put him out yourself and she even said that she goes he may have just put them out himself like how did they get them right yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

They had hundreds of jerk off videos.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah and i it was just so weird and when i talked to him i was like well i think you should get into acting and everything and.

[Chris Franjola]

He'S like yeah he mentioned that at the end that he's going to get into acting i can't wait to watch that guy do anything i know i mean he what did you get into is like just hot tar roofing or something because that's where it's going right.

[Heather McDonald]

He'S gonna be he was a landscape.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah he's gonna be like the handsome landscaper who shows up now and well.

[Heather McDonald]

This is what he's up to so i went to his thing and i cannot believe how different he looks yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

He'S the handsome eventually wears off i.

[Heather McDonald]

Mean but i've never seen such a big difference in like four years like he really like lost all i mean he's just a good looking guy but like he's but like he lost the baby face yeah and by cutting the hair he's not as cute and maybe he did have like a good filter maybe he was using filters or lights.

[Chris Franjola]

I think it was a little filtered.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah and then so you know then he's like oh i was smoking weed and you know jerking off my cousin.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And this one woman she's like sixty and she goes i think i gave him over time about two hundred fifty thousand dollars and she never got to meet him no she didn't get to him in miami like the other woman did and now i see that he's doing like william white will call you now you can sign up and have him call you into a facetime when prior to that he also did the mistake that that people do it's when influencers get too big too fast which is they start to rip on their their fans yeah kind of like me matt no kind of like matt rife too like i don't want all these girls i'm funny to mention to like not that he's doing fine it didn't doesn't hurt him but i'm just saying with with william white like he was like somebody had you know very expensive luggage like delivered to his house and then he gets on there like you guys should know where i live and and they shouldn't right but then that's the problem like now the fan becomes a hater because now you've like and then that one girl that one brunette girl is still like yeah i was just like she was one day i i looked out and when i started watching william white videos and then before i knew it it was dark out and i just watched like eight hours of it and i'm again i'm like so then i started watching like the revenge con or the con of the revenge or something which is not very good well done by the way this is on dot on on netflix netflix too which i think they found a bunch of stories where women were love con fraud meaning they love bombed you and they had multiple women and they took money from you so it's like a triple embarrassment okay it's not like just a cheater it's like a cheater who also you gave up a whole bunch of money and so i'm watching it and i'm like this is i feel like they had the whole thing solved and they basically like cast these people to act like they're like two women that are detectives together anyway and every time i see it it's just like so sad that a woman wants so badly to have a boyfriend.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah that's kind of what it seems.

[Heather McDonald]

Just like i just read a study that i didn't read a study what like i read a study no i saw someone that said i read a study okay okay sure sure i understood and they said the happiest demographic of women are single women with adult children either they're widows or divorced or just not in a relationship ladies you think.

[Chris Franjola]

That i just agree with that or.

[Heather McDonald]

Probably yeah like because this is the only alternative literally every love con situation is with a woman like in her late forties or older right who is like finally this guy that's like looks good he's calling me every day telling me we're gonna have this business together and then he just needs twenty five thousand dollars and then we're gonna we're gonna help the children and da da da da and it's always that and it's like god i don't i honestly.

[Chris Franjola]

Think i don't think this guy took enough advantage of it honestly i mean at nineteen and just living in canada you know he probably was just like a regular it seemed like it just judging by his house and everything he's just a regular guy he lived in his home yeah i feel like he should have taken them for more even more money like if you're gonna be.

[Heather McDonald]

That dumb but see then what also happened is then he started to get a lot of hate yeah because then they're like this guy's a loser like they were over him it's been two years he's not the hot thing anymore and then they're turning on him being like oh my god he lives he still lives with his parents and this and that and so then he kept quitting social media and then he'd come back on because he knows that's how.

[Chris Franjola]

A thing another way i quit and then i was back yeah because he.

[Heather McDonald]

Had no other way of like making.

[Chris Franjola]

Money so where is he what does he do now now but like how.

[Heather McDonald]

Can you believe cameo how can you believe people that william white wants to talk to you fifty five year old you after you've watched this doc how would you ever believe that anything he says to you is sincere again well.

[Chris Franjola]

The one he did to one lady she got it.

[Heather McDonald]

She was the cutest of the bunch yeah and then there was another one there was somebody else that he like got but but and nobody else did and they were just like and then the one woman saying like if you don't go on live today i'm gonna end my life and i mean i'm just like i guess.

[Chris Franjola]

Well these people obviously got some sort of psychological there's problems there like that one woman who was giggling and you know talking about going to the same restaurant he goes to and stuff she's obviously off and then they'd be like.

[Heather McDonald]

Hey guys like their little weird group let's get all together and fly to canada and see if we can find him at tim norton's or whatever that place is what is that place tim.

[Chris Franjola]

Hortons the coffee place yeah it's like.

[Heather McDonald]

Their mcdonald's or whatever but this is.

[Chris Franjola]

When you need a family member to step in and go listen what the fuck is wrong with you you know what i mean like well i think.

[Heather McDonald]

They'Re hiding it like i don't think they're telling their twenty five year old daughter oh really what are you up to mom well i'm part of the william white fan club and we are all going i just donated three thousand dollars so that he could go to amfar and we're all going to go there together and to we're going gonna rent a house i mean they're desperate for two things they're desperate for love yeah and like you know having sex again or a fantasy of that and they're desperate for friendships because there are they are that demographic like their kids are grown and they're single which i'm like god it just it shouldn't be around like a weird person it shouldn't be around mel robbins it shouldn't be around you know what i mean it shouldn't be around all these people all these like you know mel robbins i.

[Chris Franjola]

Feel like what you got to do.

[Heather McDonald]

Well you just it can be around me though it can be around me.

[Chris Franjola]

You don't have big enough glasses you got to put on the big glass if you want to start giving out sage life advice i feel like that's the new way to go big giant black glasses and then you could say first thing you do when you wake up in the morning is say i'm good enough i'm good enough i'm good.

[Heather McDonald]

Enough and i'm gonna roll out of bed until i tell myself you're worth it yeah you're worth that cup of coffee you're special you're loved inside and if someone doesn't want to invite you to that party let them and if william white wants to steal one hundred thousand dollars for you let them yeah it's a new day day it's a new day for you to grow and be strong like who the amount what is crazy is the life coaching and the advice and i mean the amount of like scammers out there and like that is it is just fascinating and the amount of women that do it too i remember the new scammers like if it's one thing we've they're doing.

[Chris Franjola]

The scamming or getting scammed scammed a.

[Heather McDonald]

Lot of them are influencer scammer people that love the attention they and then they they always throw in like a fake disease oh they have it yeah oh there's so many now there's so many there's like five long form podcasts right now that i've listened to that are all the same story a cute blonde girl that gets people to believe that she's also a nice cute blonde girl and she's actually a scammer wow like it's just and she's just taking your money and she's just lying and you're just watching her thing every day and you think she's just like this powerhouse of a young mom that's like you know i don't think i've ever.

[Chris Franjola]

Got you know we never fall for the scams i was always very i like to think at least i was always very aware of scams my whole family we grew up in a very everything's a scam household everything was a scam everything so much so that we probably missed out on some opportunities because my father came from a school of christopher that's a scam everything was a.

[Heather McDonald]

Scam i feel like.

[Chris Franjola]

My mother got burned one time on towels she saw an ad on like it was the today show or something you know where they go deals deals of steals steals of deals yeah and my mother they were giving away towels like four towels for like five dollars my mother went for it and they showed up to the house this is back when you have to wait like nine weeks for stuff to be delivered they finally showed up and they were just dish towels like shitty dish towels not nice beach towels oh and i remember oh the house was in an uproar i told you they don't sell beach towels for dollar fifteen it's not a it's a scam so i.

[Heather McDonald]

I have been scammed a few times by men really no like giving them money yeah three times what before peter oh yes before peter.

[Chris Franjola]

How much money peter's been scared of.

[Heather McDonald]

He for twenty five years scams on you the ultimate scam is peter's the grift yeah no these are the three scams okay the first one was this guy who said he was going to.

[Chris Franjola]

Manage me yeah well that's again that's a that's a when you're in our.

[Heather McDonald]

Business one hundred and eighty dollars because he said his phone was going to turn off and i said if i don't give you one hundred and eighty dollars how's anyone how paramount pictures not.

[Chris Franjola]

Going to be able to get through okay that's not so bad one hundred.

[Heather McDonald]

Eighty yeah then there was this other guy named theron who was this black guy that i met who was gay and he would call we would go to manhattan beach and he'd get cute white guys numbers and then call as a pretend to be a black woman that wants to have phone sex with.

[Chris Franjola]

Them and that's how he made money.

[Heather McDonald]

No i just thought it was fun yeah it was just like a fun story and i think i gave him like one hundred fifty not a lot okay not a lot yeah whatever and i even think i said you don't have to pay me back this is like a gift i think i was like working on the keenan williams show so i was like yeah yeah i'm not gonna die okay so so far you're not into and then there was this guy now this is a real scam story so he i was at a starbucks like reading a movie like i love like back then if i had an audition for something they would have a runner drop off the script for me like two days before in person like a readable thing yeah and then i would go to the starbucks at like on seventh street in santa monica i read my script and look like i've got some shit going on i remember those filling the line highlighting you know never got any of the parts and and so this really cute guy is like what are you doing he starts talking to me and everything and his name was craig and i i gave him my number and he was like new yorky and he was like had a arm like tatted arm but he was like dark haired like a cute like mickey rourke at his cutest at his cutest yes way back okay okay so then he and when he left this girl goes you didn't hear what he was talking about to that other girl because you had your like earphones on she's like but he was like talking about how he did like was in prison and stuff and i was like like whatever i think it sounds fun so he calls me and he picks me up and he takes me to a nice restaurant and he he's sober but he wants to smoke all the time but he's like have a glass of wine have a glass of wine whatever so we make out and i'm like very attracted to him yes and we go out again and do something and then he calls me to say that his car was stolen okay and but because he did these white collar crimes that caused him to go to prison when he was he's like a wall street guys you told me and he has like the bad credit and he can't rent a a car yeah so i agree to rent the car and now this is where the scammer thing happened that i just saw in the love con thing right away he goes here's dollar five hundred right now for me for for me to rent this car like here take it it because it's on my thing he's like i'm gonna pay you back but i just don't like well then he doesn't return the car oh.

[Chris Franjola]

No so you run like a hertz or an avis like a legitimate place.

[Heather McDonald]

And he's not returning it and now he's like blowing me off so he's driving somewhere and he tells me you got in a car accident with it yeah so i'm like oh my god i have got to get and it's.

[Chris Franjola]

Under your name yes oh and now.

[Heather McDonald]

It'S probably up to like seventeen hundred dollars that i owe so even the five hundred he gave me in cash which i've already spent yeah now i have seventeen hundred on my credit card and i'm like oh my god so like i so the guy that i lent the one hundred eighty to the old manager he was aa too okay so he goes i'm still talking to him never getting my one hundred eighty back but i'm still talking to him because why would i why would i cut someone out yeah so then he so he calls so he's like on three way and i and he's like being a total dick to me he's like you're just he's like i don't know what happened to you in your childhood but what i'm like craig i just want to return the car like it's in my name let me just get the car return it you don't have to pay me i just need to return this car and then the manager slash guy that i owe the one that owed me the one hundred.

[Chris Franjola]

Eighty goes so all the scammers are on a three way call yes and.

[Heather McDonald]

So then he goes listen you like to craig he's like give her get let her get her car back and da da da and then he like hangs up craig does and calls me back and it's just yelling at me like you're such a d and i go oh my god how and he's like fine come over today and i'll give you the keys so he's staying at this like nice like apartment overlooking the ocean like in santa monica so i bring this other guy that's not a scammer from groundlings he drives me.

[Chris Franjola]

And you brought a guy from groundlings to beat up this ex convict some improv guy okay we're gonna do first.

[Heather McDonald]

Exactly well that's why he of course any other guy would go no i'm going up with you but he was like no i'll stay in the car okay fine so i go up there i'm like hi hi craig can i get the keys whatever and he comes up to me and he starts screaming at me really loud and i'm backed in a corner and he's like i don't know what your dad did to you like just trying like whatever right and i see in the little bowl i see you know when you get a reddit cart they always have that little plastic yeah like whatever there and he turns around he's like god you're just so frustrated and then i ran and i got it and i run out the door oh my gosh i got a movie i know and he told me where it was it was parked down the street and here he kept his place impeccable he always had cologne on i get to the rent a car it's disgusting jamba juice food yeah everything everywhere and so then but like what i was thinking about the scam thing like the first couple dates he paid for gave me that five that's where the scan they always pay for a few things up front yeah and they you know and then so then when they ask you for something you're like like oh well he's good for it like he's so generous before it's just because he like left his credit card in the wrong house or whatever so then i get the car clean up throw everything away i return the car and it's like eight seven ten or dollars or whatever that i owe and that's a good one that's a good story and then i see him like a year later at a restaurant like out of date oh and.

[Chris Franjola]

I went right everybody moves on i.

[Heather McDonald]

Would write up to him like hi craig and he's like oh hey heather he's like she's a comedian and then i'm like yeah i just got a.

[Chris Franjola]

Deal that was the worst thing you said about that was the worst thing.

[Heather McDonald]

I go i just got a deal at cbs and da da da and i did for a minute you know i didn't go anywhere but i did have a deal at seabith and so i'm like what why wouldn't i just be like hey you're you know but i just just at twenty seven or whatever whatever i was thirty i just didn't have that like wherewithal to be like you're a piece of you need to watch out get away from weirdo.

[Chris Franjola]

Don'T rent him a car and then.

[Heather McDonald]

Because it wasn't like there was no instagram or anything like that i have no way of knowing i'm ninety nine sure he's dead for sure because he was like ten years older than i am too so i'm sure he's dead.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah god i missed the days of like like i feel like i had a couple of those incidents i feel like i'm in now i'm in the shoes of the the improv friend like i had a couple of like loose cannon girls who i hung around who like would ask me you know this boyfriend i'm is coming over i i remember vividly i was with this girl i was at this girl's apartment some hole in like on sweets or in west hollywood and she's on the phone like huh huh she had like a crazy roommate girl and she's like huh huh and then she hangs up the phone she goes looks at me she goes can you fight i was like what i swear to god she goes my girl my roommate's boyfriend's coming over he's fucking crazy he's drunk he beats her up and you gotta fight him and i was like what like now she's like yes turns out the fucking cop showed up first oh my god it was the craziest story those are like wild that was like late nineties where there was no internet well in.

[Heather McDonald]

The charlie in the charlie sheen thing he has a story where he goes i was dating this girl and so was c thomas howell and she called me and she goes i need to be extravagant how did she say it yeah how did she say excavated or like yeah she made it extracted extract i need to be extracted from this situation and he goes i go over there and he goes and it's some.

[Chris Franjola]

Apartment woodland hills peter and i were.

[Heather McDonald]

Both watching it at the same time we just start laughing like and so then he gets her and it's the same you know same thing and the only reason like thank god he did have the gun i gotta tell you.

[Chris Franjola]

That story when he was telling us right i'm like oh my god i was in like ten of those situations in that same era of hollywood like just crazy people and then she's the.

[Heather McDonald]

One that got him into crack yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

And then she wound up dying he.

[Heather McDonald]

Said yeah and he's like oh such a waste such a i'm like i don't know she got you addicted to crack i feel like was her life really going in great places i feel.

[Chris Franjola]

Like all the drugs that he did had definitely he's definitely off now yeah definitely sense there was something off about.

[Heather McDonald]

Him if you were chuck lore would you trust getting into business with him.

[Chris Franjola]

Again i mean that's the only thing that would keep me from my prediction is like would people be like we're not doing this again you know otherwise i mean who knows or does it.

[Heather McDonald]

Or is it the kind of thing that you just you kind of age out of relapsing that's like my other thought like are you really gonna like yeah yeah the whole world knows you have your hiv positive right you're like i don't know yeah like maybe you've just done it all and if you really have been sober for seven years i mean that's a pretty good testament.

[Chris Franjola]

To it the other thing was he kept mentioning kids here and there like he had a kid when he was.

[Heather McDonald]

Like eighteen yeah she's forty yeah never.

[Chris Franjola]

Another mention of her then the two the two boys that really wasn't met with book mueller and then the notes he was leaving the kid on like his lunchables and stuff like i guess i thought that was supposed to be cute this is just like wacko behavior you know where i'm like thank god i didn't grow up in a world where everyone's a complete i had to open my lunchables and say you're a fuck wad i'm like how cute dad.

[Heather McDonald]

Is a lot of years ago jill zarin is like i'm in town come i'm gonna take you a real fun lunch it's in the new beverly hills housewife's gonna be there and i go and it's adrian maloof okay who at the time was married to nassif who doctor nassif who is the one who calls to help charlie sheen the nine one call like on one of the times he's like about to die and then jill knew brooke mueller his second wife the mom of the twins mother and so she was there brooke was there she the whole aspen thing had already happened she was supposedly sober again and going through the divorce with charlie and then adrian maloof was going to just about start real housewives of beverly hills and patty stanger was there and i sat right across from brooke because i was like oh my god i like need to know more about this woman and then and i mean she was just kind of like her nervous like weird self but like she didn't have anything to drink then or anything but i think she's been in and out of rehab like twenty one times brooke mueller yes yeah and then at one point and at one point yeah she definitely seems she was a little on something but he even said he goes her timeline of getting sober is different than mine that tells me she's not sober and then and then he and then my greatest the weirdest show is when kathy hilton and paris hilton decided to do a reality show and they made brooke mueller their mutual best.

[Chris Franjola]

Friend oh yeah vega and she has.

[Heather McDonald]

And she and she falls off a sobriety train again during the taping of the show and they're trying to like set her up on dates not to.

[Chris Franjola]

Stay on this charlie sheen thing too long but we failed to mention that you and i were in the room while the tour was being planned the charlie sheen breakdown tour that they talk about a lot in this in this remember that we were chelsea chelsea was on the phone with jeff wills who was the head of live nation at the time he was saying you cannot gonna believe this but i'm literally sitting with charlie sheen right now planning a tour and we were like what like literally that afternoon we were watching like the tiger blood videos and he was like no i know that charlie sheen tiger blood guy is in the office of live nation planning the tour and they did it that part was fascinating.

[Heather McDonald]

To me that was kind of interesting that it was like a disaster and they're like well don't worry that you know he's like everyone just says tell stories yeah you gotta have like a show you gotta have something planned like what do you think and they're like well you have the most twitter followers in chicago so that'll be great and then all these other people are like no it sucks don't yeah people like don't even bother sell your ticket or get rid of it or whatever and i'm like he was really the first person that did these like i'm just famous come buy a ticket yeah we like talk things thank god they kind.

[Chris Franjola]

Of ended you don't really see much.

[Heather McDonald]

Of that anymore i feel like you do well it's a little around housewives and and podcasters and stuff right right but speaking of another weird thing that happened so there was this weird guy i met and he's like yeah i'm performing this is from that t i'm going to perform stand up at like the roxy or something he rented out because that's where sam kinison like filmed one of his specials yeah and i go oh i didn't even like no you did stand up he's like i don't but i'm doing it tonight and all these agents are coming and i'm.

[Chris Franjola]

I think i was at the show i remember this did you go yes the guy like walked off stage or.

[Heather McDonald]

Something he just like starts screaming and like he had no act nothing and then afterwards he's like yeah i got three offers for a development deal i'm like when everyone's getting development deals i'm like no you didn't like what are you trying like you can't just like right but he had money so he had rented it out i remember that and anyone could come i think i.

[Chris Franjola]

Was working across the street at the time and that guy would come in and he invited us to the show and i went and yeah that's what.

[Heather McDonald]

He was doing he's just a meeting any comedian he could to invite and i was like because i was like well and he's like maybe you can you know when i go on tour you can like open for me or have a part in the sitcom so i was like okay yeah do you need one hundred and eighty dollars or.

[Chris Franjola]

Rental car the scam god thank god the scamming world is at least for.

[Heather McDonald]

Me it's over it's it's very the one in the love con one this guy gets all these women because he's sending videos and selfies like every day like i love you i missed you but he's sending to like all different went like he never says their names so he's like saving time doing the content and sending it and he had a wellness center yeah that he was like oh i need twenty five zero zero zero for this i need ten thousand for this i need whatever you could get and he knew he'd even go to the camera and be like i'm gonna go play some poker if you want to send me twenty five that'd be nice and these women would.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah anyway it's amazing too well everyone a lot of people are crazy too there's a lot of crazy crazies out.

[Heather McDonald]

There and so these women are just like yeah all embarrassed and there were certain ones that i was like that guy's gross i don't even care like i was skipping around i'm like find me someone that i can like could i have been conned by this weirdo.

[Chris Franjola]

Well i got to be honest with you you told me to watch two things charlie sheen and the you know the thirst trap yeah and both of them and i made me angry like just the stupid stupidity of thirst trap was driving me insane and then charlie sheen i was just like i don't know i really i this is gonna sound callous and cold of me but i have no patience for drug addicts i really don't i don't know why and i felt like i'm watching some drug addict talk tell stories and it's annoying to me that's it yeah and.

[Heather McDonald]

I i great because he was so like kind of like brilliant and inherently funny and good luck ducks and grew up with sean penn and rob lowe yeah and your dad is charlie sheen right in malibu right like you had every every opportunity and that's the thing maybe too much opportunity does make you piss it away i thought that was like kind of the one thing that was sort of interesting that you don't really that people don't really talk about yeah like if there's not a hunger for it like you didn't you didn't come from new york right to model kimonos you know exactly yeah and malibu.

[Chris Franjola]

You know i was out there during those days he didn't come from the.

[Heather McDonald]

Hot bowels of the valley of woodland hills trying to be a star like heather mcdonald no i mean i just.

[Chris Franjola]

So and for that reason we're both still going not on drugs yet no no and playing sacramento punchline oh let's talk about it sacramento punchline what's happening wednesday this wednesday this sacramento punchline one show only wednesday night thursday night cobbs in san francisco this week this thursday cobbs in san francisco beautiful time to.

[Heather McDonald]

Be in that part of the country.

[Chris Franjola]

Come see me live after that you want to hear some more yeah i do can i just rattle them off of course irvine improv sunday september twenty first sunday night irvine improv that one could use some help okay how about phoenix phoenix arizona desert ridge love that out there phoenix september twenty fifth beale street theater kingman arizona a lot of people say what you're going to kingman arizona i am beale street theater september twenty sixth oxnard improv september twenty seventh saturday night oh oxford and philadelphia punch oxnard oxnard yeah yeah great close close saturday night which will be fun and then philadelphia punchline philadelphia pennsylvania on october sixteenth through the eighteenth and then i'm gonna be at brad garrett's comedy club we talked about brad garrett in las vegas the first week of october thank.

[Heather McDonald]

You so much fun yeah fun fun and of course for me you guys november fourteenth my show which i'm really.

[Chris Franjola]

Getting excited that's las vegas too right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah that's gonna be very bravo centric.

[Chris Franjola]

Is that during bravocon it's during bravocon.

[Heather McDonald]

So bravocon's back bravo con is back it's november fourteenth fifteenth sixteenth so this is the first night of it ten o' clock so you can come in check in the hotel get cute go to dinner go to my show what.

[Chris Franjola]

Hotel are you where where's the show.

[Heather McDonald]

It'S mgm grand at the david copperfield theater oh all right so they have a lot of comedians there so it's kind of built for that so that's good and it's gonna have a lot of fun surprises we're not gonna hold back and i've been collecting some really like fun bits and things about who.

[Chris Franjola]

Are you having with you anybody brandy.

[Heather McDonald]

And julie okay and then some surprise guests and some surprise things that we i've never done in the show before so it'll be super super fun and no one will be disappointed so we just we have that yeah and it's.

[Chris Franjola]

Almost sold out you were telling me before we came to air it is hurry up and get your tickets everybody.

[Heather McDonald]

Heathermcdallin dot net for everything you guys and cover to cover cover to cover.

[Chris Franjola]

Is a podcast i do which is amazing to me that i'm so thankful to the juicy scoop fans who come to my shows because there are a lot of them after the shows and i always say hi and whatever they give me massages some of them but there is still some people after the show they're like wait you have a podcast too i'm like i don't understand how you haven't heard that yet you know i feel like we promote it all we can and i have people.

[Heather McDonald]

That come up to me still and just go i know you from the news yeah and it's because they remember me from chelsea lately and they associate e news with and they don't know i have a podcast they don't know that i'm still you know even doing comedy anymore right so it's fine yeah i guess people are busy let them let them know let them know that.

[Chris Franjola]

We'Re doing listen if you want me to sing you barry manilow songs i'll do that you know that's that was.

[Heather McDonald]

The first one he literally just did one the other day i was because i was like and he still doesn't he just did mandy again and he still never bothered to learn the words william white like at a certain point.

[Chris Franjola]

Like learn the words nothing annoys me more than ralph macchio who is the karate kid yeah he has been doing this karate kid character now for like forty five years everything that he does is somehow related to karate kid and he has in his forty five years being the karate kid the actor himself raf nacho has not learned a lick of karate you can just tell by looking at it this guy at this point he should be a triple black belt right he just decided you know what i'm just gonna wing it i'm not gonna learn any karate and this is gonna be my i'm gonna be the karate kid but not learn any karate it drives me insane amazing chris.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you thank you for having me.

[Chris Franjola]

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[Heather McDonald]

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