Chris Franjola On Toxic Dad Groups and Ellen’s Return

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Chris Franjola On Toxic Dad Groups and Ellen’s Return
Date: January 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Heather McDonald welcomes comedian and fan favorite Chris Franjola for their first on-air catchup of 2026. Together, they serve up all the juicy pop culture gossip, swapping stories about chaotic family trips, dissecting recent awards shows (especially the Golden Globes), and weighing in on evolving Hollywood trends. The conversation delves into toxic friend groups (mom and dad versions), celebrity drama, podcasting marriages, the fate of Ellen DeGeneres, and the never-ending allure—and embarrassment—of influencer culture. Their banter is candid, hilarious, and sprinkled with memorable one-liners and sharp observations about life in and out of the spotlight.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Family Vacation Disasters & "We'll Wait for You" Syndrome

[01:10–03:40]

• Heather and Chris swap stories about family vacations gone wrong, especially when extended family gets involved.
• Chris jokes about being inserted into group texts with his wife’s family and commiserates with Heather on “large-family travel hell.”
• Notable complaint: the group won’t move without everyone (“We’ll wait for you!”), which both find exasperating.
• Quote (Chris, 02:58): "There's no getting away...what are you going to do?"

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2. Movie Discussion: Comedy, Divorce, & Hollywood Realism

[03:35–08:49]

• Chris discusses a film starring Will Arnett and Laura Dern about a 50-something discovering stand-up comedy amid a divorce.
• Both agree that while the process is romanticized (walking into the Comedy Cellar and "just getting up"), the grind of stand-up hasn't really changed.
• Heather observes that the biggest shift in comedy is the viral factor—comedians now must prove ticket sales with online influence.
• Quote (Heather, 06:18): "The journey actually hasn't changed. The only thing that's changed is that you have this ability to go viral."
• Discussion about amicable divorces (like Amy Poehler/Will Arnett’s) and why they are so rare.

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3. The 2026 Golden Globes Recap

[09:03–18:39]

• Chris’s love of awards shows versus Heather’s indifference. Chris watched every second; Heather did not.
• Critique of the new “play-by-play” commentators—especially the "annoying" Variety guy and Entertainment Tonight's Kevin Frazer.
  • Quote (Chris, 11:32): "I mean, it was just—it didn't... First of all, he's annoying, that guy from Variety...he always is asking sexual questions..."
• Media manufactured drama: headlines about Jennifer Garner & Jennifer Lopez not posing together.
  • Quote (Heather, 12:20): "Sometimes these headlines, I’m like, give me a break, you know?"
• Julia Roberts’ red carpet post: Heather laments losing celebrity mystery with overexposed pre-event social media.
  • Quote (Heather, 14:33): “Keep the mystery alive. That's what I think has ruined the show.”
• Praise for Nikki Glaser’s monologue and suggestion the Globes should lock her in with a decade-long contract.

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4. Motivational Culture & Manifesting Mama

[15:56–32:29]

• The pair lampoon the proliferation of motivational gurus (Mel Robbins, Rachel Hollis, etc.) and the bumper-sticker nature of much self-help.
  • Quote (Chris, 15:17): "Just regurgitates what a bumper sticker says..."
• Heather announces her new persona, “Manifesting Mama,” promising a spoof self-help book.
  • Quote (Heather, 28:13): "It's Manifesting Mama...deciding why not you?... Why not walk in a room and say, this room is lucky to have me here?"

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5. Tattoo Trends: Pete Davidson, Jelly Roll, and the Future

[24:45–27:47]

• Talk of Pete Davidson’s “dad at the dog park” transformation and tattoo removals.
• Chris prophesies facial tattoos are on their way out—predicts celebrities like Jelly Roll will start removing them.
  • Quote (Chris, 25:10): "Tattoos are ruining poolside resorts."
  • Quote (Heather, 26:36): "That is just my prediction...it will be completely out of style."

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6. Toxic Hollywood Mom (and Dad) Groups

[39:05–44:03, 47:53–48:29]

• Discussion of Ashley Tisdale’s piece on leaving a “toxic” Hollywood mom group and how exclusionary these cliques can be.
• Crystal Minkoff (ex-RHOBH) relates via her own “mean mom” group experiences.
• Chris brings up his experience as the outsider in “Dads and Donuts” school events:
  • Quote (Chris, 42:01): “Every car parked was a G-wagon. I pull up in my Kia Telluride...I’m the Ashley Tisdale of Dads and Donuts.”
• Both agree that as parents, the less you’re invited to things, the better.
• Heather notes some parents are devastated when parent social circles dry up as kids get older.

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7. Celebrity Gossip Lightning Round

Various Timestamps

• Jelly Roll and “Fake Humble” Persona
  [27:04–27:47]
  Chris is annoyed by Jelly Roll’s “aw shucks” act after achieving stardom.
  • Quote (Chris, 27:04): "Nothing annoys me more than fake humble."
• Bradley Cooper’s Changing Appearance
  [37:46–38:24]
  “Barry Manilow face” and speculation about Hollywood’s cosmetic work.
• Britney Furlan’s Bizarre Catfish/Restraining Order Saga
  [32:33–37:14]
  Breakdown of a convoluted social media scandal involving fake identities, legal threats, and marital drama.
  • Quote (Heather, 34:41): “If anything was to happen in the future...‘he didn’t fight this restraining order’... So you want to [fight it].”

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8. The Ellen DeGeneres & Portia Comeback Watch

[51:39–55:06]

• Ellen and Portia buy yet another California mansion: is a podcast or full comeback imminent?
  • Prediction (Heather, 53:01): “If they don’t start the Ellen and Portia podcast by the end of 2026, I will do something crazy.”
• Discussion of Ellen’s recent stand-up and how the “mean boss” story broke during COVID magnified its impact.

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9. Meghan Markle, Harry, and Future Reality Appearances

[54:48–57:48]

• Debating whether the Sussexes could remain happily “anonymous” (Chris doubts it) or must return to public life.
• Heather’s prediction: Meghan will be on an ensemble reality show by 2028.
• Stories about H&M’s apparent delightfulness at private events—are the rumors fair? Thoughts on “fixing” a public image (hosting SNL!?).

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10. Podcast Culture: Dax Shepard & Kristen Bell, Marriages On Mic

[78:02–85:07]

• Heather discusses the social media dissection (and criticism) of Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell’s marriage via their podcast.
• “When you expose yourself for that many hours...anybody can pick apart something you're saying.”
• Chris recalls awkwardly pitching jokes when Dax hosted “Chelsea Lately” and his discomfort with Hollywood’s roasts.

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11. Comedy, Judging, and Reality TV

[48:54–51:29, 98:50–99:30]

• Star Search reboot absurdity: Why is Chrissy Teigen a comedy judge?
  • Quote (Chris, 49:19): “If I have to sit there and let Heidi Klum tell me I'm funny or not funny, I would die.”
• The endless wave of reality casting, specifically Mormon wife shows, and why younger people are eager for influencer-fueled drama TV.

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12. Barbie’s Inclusive Expansion

[74:01–76:44]

• New autistic Barbie and others with disabilities.
• Light-hearted but pointed critique of how far inclusion goes (“Just tell your daughter this Barbie is autistic—they look the same!” —Chris, 74:57)
• Reflections on American Girl dolls and the oddities of doll backstories.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Manifesting & Self-Help Gurus
  • Heather [28:13]: "Why not walk in a room and say, this room is lucky to have me here?"
• On Alcohol
  • Chris [71:47]: "There is happiness [from drinking]—that’s a benefit."
  • Heather [71:08]: "Why not wait and then just really have it, like, rip it down?"
• Family Dynamics and In-Laws
  • Heather [88:00]: "I will love whoever that person is. I will be completely accommodating. I mean, because I don't want it to ever get to this where the person is like, no, Your mom always makes it every Christmas."
• On AI & Comedy Club Promotions
  • Chris [96:31]: "Comedy clubs now...using AI pictures. They take everything you've been sensitive about your entire life, and enhance it."
• Wrapping Up Friendship
  • Chris [106:43]: "If you people don't think show business pays off, you're wrong. We got free Pringles on that flight."

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Key Timestamps

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |---------|-------|-----------| | Family Vacations & Group Dynamics | 01:10–03:40 | | Awards Shows & Golden Globes Critique | 09:03–18:39 | | Motivational Gurus & Manifesting | 15:56–32:29 | | Tattoos & Celebrity Trends | 24:45–27:47 | | Toxic Mom/Dad Groups | 39:05–44:03, 47:53–48:29 | | Britney Furlan/Catfish Scandal | 32:33–37:14 | | Ellen & Portia’s Return | 51:39–55:06 | | Meghan & Harry’s Next Steps | 54:48–57:48 | | Judging Comedy on Reality TV | 48:54–51:29 | | Dax/Kristen, Marriage & Podcasting | 78:02–85:07 | | Barbie, Dolls, and Inclusion | 74:01–76:44 | | AI & Comedy Club Posters | 96:31–97:42 |

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Final Thoughts

This episode was classic "Juicy Scoop": fast-paced, gossipy, and unfiltered. Heather and Chris riff on everything from pop culture to the petty indignities of parent life, blending sharp-witted humor with earnest musings on fame, family, and the passage of time. Whether it’s lambasting Hollywood trends or affectionately mocking themselves, the episode delivers a fresh batch of juicy opinions—and more than a few laughs—for anyone who loves behind-the-curtain entertainment chatter.

Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Franjola]

Listen in, listen up.

[Heather McDonald]

Woo woo. Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I don't even know if you deserve this because you we have the one, the only, the comedic genius. The blue eyed model, the double double coaster. Born on the east coast, lives on the west coast.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Man of the people, huh?

[Chris Franjola]

That's a lot of people.

[Heather McDonald]

Tell it like it is.

[Chris Franjola]

Tell it like it is. You know.

[Heather McDonald]

Filter, non Hollywood kiss ass. Uhhuh.

[Chris Franjola]

Sure.

[Heather McDonald]

And just overall delight. Chris Franola.

[Chris Franjola]

Thank you, thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

Welcome back. Happy 2026.

[Chris Franjola]

2020 is the first time I've seen you in 2026. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Probably know you had a wonderful Hawaiian experience.

[Chris Franjola]

We had a Hawaiian vacation with the family.

[Heather McDonald]

It sounded very fun. I saw your 1. Everyone should needs to be following Chris. He does very funny stuff on Instagram. But I saw the one thing that you did was like when you're on the group text on a family vacation and it was like what's your father in law's name?

[Chris Franjola]

Fred.

[Heather McDonald]

Fred.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Fred. I thought I saw you down there. Could you grab a banana from the book?

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. And then there was another one where they have mango. Today was another one. I'm on it for no reason. It's not my family. It's her family, you know, which is. Yeah. A lot of that. A lot of I don't know. You. Do you travel like with large outside of your immediate family?

[Heather McDonald]

We, we did it twice.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Which was a cruise to Alaska and then a cruise to. Where are we? Virgin Islands.

[Chris Franjola]

How many people?

[Heather McDonald]

It was like 11.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, that's a problem.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. And well it was a problem because you know we were cheaping out so we didn't get the Internet package. And Brandon was still at an age where like it was stressful and so we would like lose him. And then he had to share a room with his grandmother.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh no.

[Heather McDonald]

And he was like at the end he goes I'm so tired. I'm so tired of grandma having to wake up at 6am to do her make it for makeup for the wind chamber breakfast.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh my.

[Heather McDonald]

And then Drake was staying with his cousin who my sister in law is the mother. And they had. She had signed up for way too many excursions.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So she would Be pounding on his door where they shared a room at also 6am to be like, garrett, get up here. We're gonna miss the bus. To get on the boat to go to the da, da, da, da. And it was just like, oh, my God. Like, this is not even a vacation we had.

[Chris Franjola]

That's what I ran into. It was a lot of, we'll wait for you. We'll wait. A lot of, we'll wait for you. Like, you don't. I'm gonna run out of the restroom. We'll wait for you. I'm like, no, seven people don't need to wait for me. I will find you. It was a lot of, well, wait. I was going to, like, the. The hotel area to get, like, whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I go get a Red Bull. We'll wait for you. What are you going to get? And then they got to comment on everything. What? You get Red Bull. Oh, you like Red Bull? I don't like. All right. And then everybody's got a comment. I was. It was driving me nuts. There's no getting away anyway. What are you going to do?

[Heather McDonald]

But you had a good time.

[Chris Franjola]

It was nice. Lovely.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you told me you just saw a movie. We're gonna go see.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, that was my 2026 resolution is to go see more movies in theaters. I've been doing pretty good.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, you know, I don't know if you know, but I said to the boys, the only thing I wanted for Christmas is for them to take me on a rainy day. Okay. It had to be a rainy day.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

To Cineopolis, which is the fancy Westlake Theater.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And watch Housemaid, Housemate.

[Chris Franjola]

I heard it's good.

[Heather McDonald]

And you know what? I hope dad doesn't listen to this, but Drake was being like, you know, like a butthole. And I said, do you want to come to the movie with Brandon and I. And he was like, oh, I don't know. And I go, brandon, just get the tickets.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so Brandon got two tickets at not that nice of a theater. And then Drake goes, I guess I'll go with you. And I said, all right, let's just buy. Forget about the other two tickets. Like. And, I mean, it was a big thing. I was like, do not tell your father that we are abandoning the two tickets at the other theater because we're buying three now at the Fancy schmancy.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

Because I want the experience. And I'm like, you know, there just comes. At a certain time in life. You're like, I just. I gotta do what I want.

[Chris Franjola]

To do somebody bring you food and stuff, all that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. We got drinks. We had eaten before, so we didn't do the food thing. They no longer have the blankets, which probably is a good idea.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But I was a little cold, so I think next time I'll bring my own blanket.

[Chris Franjola]

Bring your own blanket?

[Heather McDonald]

Sure, I'll bring my own blanket. And anyway, I loved it. I thought it was great. Sydney Sweeney, totally juicy. And you saw. Is this thing on now?

[Chris Franjola]

Should. I think you should.

[Heather McDonald]

I think I should.

[Chris Franjola]

Let me tell you why.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

The stand up comedy aspect of it aside, I think it's exactly your type of movie. Divorce wise, they're going through some trouble. Him and Laura Dern.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

That's why he discovers this is Will Arnett. Will Arnett.

[Heather McDonald]

And he is a start. Starting to be a stand up, but like, you know, post 50 years old.

[Chris Franjola]

Yes. He's basically. Him and Laura Dern are getting a divorce. Kind of. They're fighting.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

And one day he's just walking down the street and he sees the Comedy Cellar in New York and he walks in. And of course, as comedians, we know it doesn't really work like this. It's like just get up, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

He gets up, right? Yeah, yeah. In the Comedy Cellar. It takes years to get on there, but of course he walks right on and. Yeah. But it's very good. I enjoyed the movie a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

I saw someone do kind of like a, you know, a current up and cominging comedian, you know, that's out in the. In the clubs, in the streets.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Kind of criticizing, you know, how hard it is. And he was explaining what it's like and all of that to get. And I wrote, I'm like, that's exactly what it was like 30 years ago. What you're saying is exactly what it was like 30 years ago.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You had to bring people. It was hard as shit to get a spot. You tried to make friends, you tried to get some representation. Like the. The journey actually hasn't changed. The only thing that's changed is that you have this ability to go viral.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then if you can go to a club owner and say, hey, I can sell out this place. Yeah, then you can have it.

[Chris Franjola]

They don't mention any of that kind of stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

So it was just all straight. I think it's good that they got rid of that element. Even though it would have add some.

[Chris Franjola]

There was a comedian, like, her name's Jordan Jensen. I don't think I had her on. She's like a kind of A young female. Female comedian from New York. And she's in the movie and she's great. She's like, kind of the standout in the movie for me. I thought she was really good. Anyways, good movie. Check it out. I think you'd like it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Laura Derns.

[Heather McDonald]

I just saw a video of the two of them and, like, a bloopers reel. Will Arnett and his former wife Amy Poehler. And you know, they're divorced.

[Chris Franjola]

You're talking about Golden Globe winning Amy Poehler for best podcast.

[Heather McDonald]

A good hang.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. That she's done for six months and absolutely 18 episodes with friends. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And with a staff of 72.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. Right, right.

[Heather McDonald]

But you know what I. I talked about, like, of course she's gonna win. No one has a bad thing to say about her. But someone was like, they have such a funny chemistry. And when they were doing, like, they're filming together, people like, oh, I want to. I want these two to, like, get back together. And the thing is, is that when someone actually gets the point of divorce, even if they're, like, amicably co parenting and stuff. Oh, get back. There's a reason they got to that place.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

That we will never know about.

[Chris Franjola]

Strangely enough, that's kind of what this movie's about. It must be kind of loosely based on him and Amy Poland, because they don't hate each other. They keep saying that they're like, I just don't want to be married to you. I like you a lot, you know, so. And I don't want to give away the.

[Heather McDonald]

Which also is kind of rare. Most people, when they get to divorce, it's very rare. I always say that two people are like, you know what I was thinking? Do you really want to be together forever? Oh, my God, I'm so glad you said it. Let's get a divorce, split everything 50, 50, and still be besties. Like, it's very, very rare that that could ever happen.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. It did make me kind of miss the early days of stand up. Like the hanging out. Yeah, the hanging out after hooking up with.

[Heather McDonald]

And the vodka cranberries.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, that kind of stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

It never occurred to me to also say, hey, can I have some soda water in there? I just did vodka cranberries. Never had a.

[Chris Franjola]

That was the old infection. That's what people used to do. Oh, yeah. It was good for that.

[Heather McDonald]

Never had a problem down there.

[Chris Franjola]

People used.

[Heather McDonald]

That's a lot of cranberry juice, though.

[Chris Franjola]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

That's too sweet.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, nobody drinks anymore. As you've heard, right? I mean, didn't you do something recently on your Instagram? Yeah, I have.

[Heather McDonald]

I have something on here. Let's wait. Let's just go back to my order of business. So you say yes. You liked it?

[Chris Franjola]

I liked it. Thumbs up, check it out.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Gosh, good getting to Golden Globes, which of course we covered. It happened a few days ago. But I always like to get your take in general, what did you think? In general?

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, did you watch the whole thing? I did. I watched the whole thing.

[Heather McDonald]

I did not.

[Chris Franjola]

I like award shows. You know, I'm a sucker for award shows. I still like them. I know nobody cares anymore, but I still enjoy them. It's fun to watch good looking people, you know, fumble, try to get on stage, which every time they can't figure out how to get on. They're moving around tables now.

[Heather McDonald]

Do they do the Golden Globe Nepo girl anymore?

[Chris Franjola]

No. They were doing a very strange thing this time. I don't know if you've noticed where they had two guys like almost like doing play by play.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, like football people.

[Chris Franjola]

No, they weren't football people. They, you know the guy, right?

[Heather McDonald]

It was a Variety guy. But that's gotten a lot of criticism. People did not like.

[Chris Franjola]

So annoying.

[Heather McDonald]

They felt like it was very annoying. And it was the guy from Variety.

[Chris Franjola]

And it was a guy from Kevin Fraser from like Entertainment Tonight. It was two of them.

[Heather McDonald]

I did a show with Kevin Fraser once. The weirdest thing. Women who Soar Sore. Like, it was, let me just tell you this story.

[Chris Franjola]

Really sore.

[Heather McDonald]

It was, first of all, it was grammatically incorrect. It was like, I don't know what it was. Maybe I was thinking wrong, but it was like this person called me. It was right after Chelsea and. And they're like, would you host this thing?

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And we were flying to Dallas and it's, it's like going to be syndicated. It's going to be on some TV somewhere. I don't know how. And it was like women that, you know, are inspirations or whatever was like a black tie thing. And Kevin did it with me, but he got there late.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And then he got to leave early because he's like, Inside Edition.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then I was told I'd get $5,000. And then after it was over, they gave me a check for 10. And I was like, oh my God. And then I realized that's probably what they were paying Kevin. He's probably getting twice what I was getting. And I was like so excited. And at the time, you know, I. I don't even think I'd started the podcast. And I was like, oh, my God, this is going to pay for the first year of Crespi for. For Drake. And this is just, like, so amazing. And I'm so excited. And I'm telling Peter, I'm like, the minute I get, I land, let's go straight to the bank because they're going to realize that they, like, double paid me. And then I land. He's like, yeah, they already canceled it.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

And then it took months to get the five.

[Chris Franjola]

Five?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, months.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But Kevin got his 10. So it was Kevin and him. And what was annoying about it? Tell me.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, I, I mean, it was just. It didn't. They. First of all, he's annoying, that guy from Variety. Anyway, he's right.

[Heather McDonald]

He always is asking sexual.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, he has weird sexual questions all the time about. So I, I saw the clips of people now because of this going down.

[Heather McDonald]

And going down and being like, asking about the right two rivalry guys.

[Chris Franjola]

Rivalry guys.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. All that.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. It's just something they didn't.

[Heather McDonald]

We didn't need.

[Chris Franjola]

No, no. Just let them walk to the stage in silence.

[Heather McDonald]

Now I understand Page Six needs to get as many articles out as possible about the Golden Globes. So they put Jennifer Garner and Jennifer Jlo, both from the evening, side by side. Why Ben Affleck's ex wives, Jennifer Garner and Jennifer Lopez wouldn't pose together at the Golden Globes.

[Chris Franjola]

Why would they post?

[Heather McDonald]

Why would they?

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

First of all, nobody ever asked two stars to close unless you actually are a couple or you're in a movie together. And you're right. And you went there specifically to promote your movie. Like, I mean, sometimes these headlines, I'm like, give me a break, you know?

[Chris Franjola]

Well, they seem to be fine with each other. I mean, I don't know what goes on in the Ben Affleck world. You just seem. I see him sometimes seeing with Jennifer Lopez still. I sometimes see him with Jennifer Garner still.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I think somebody says he goes out into the street and just yells, Jennifer. And waits to see which one shows up.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I don't think either one of them like Jennifer Lopez. I still still think she kind of loves him, but would nobody in her life would allow her to ever get back with him? And I don't think he wants to get with her. I think he was the one that ended it because I just think as cute as he is, he's essentially become a grumpy old man.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And there's nothing that a grumpy old man wants to do less than get dressed up.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

To do. They don't want to do Instagram videos. They don't want to take photos of you. Yeah, they don't want that. He. He'll direct a film, but, like, he doesn't want to do anything else.

[Chris Franjola]

Do you have any interest in going to see Jennifer Lopez's show in Vegas?

[Heather McDonald]

I kind of do. Well, you know our friend Luella who always comes to all our shows, and she's a comedian, too. She lives and works in Vegas, and she. I might. She might give me a hookup. We might. I might want to go. I mean, I really. If I go to Vegas, I would like to see it. I think I want to see it. I love all her songs. I love looking at her, so. Sure. Why not?

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. I think it'd be a fun night.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Okay. Julia Roberts showed up the Golden Globes, and she looked great, but she did this post. I don't know why it bothers me. Maybe because I did it, like, four years ago before standup gig and everyone else has it. It's just not original. And it's where you put on the face mask and the lip mask and you're like, get pre game and jewelry. This is what's wrong with the Oscars. Like, we. We don't want to see you before the red carpet at any stage of it.

[Chris Franjola]

Gotcha.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, keep the mystery alive. And that's what I think has ruined the. The show, because it used to be this is the only time we get to see these people. We don't know what they're gonna wear. And now it's like, we've seen them getting ready, Instagramming, the entourage. They. What should it. Which dress should I choose?

[Chris Franjola]

Come with me as I get ready for the.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, those kind of things. Yeah. And I just think it's a mistake. So.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, I watched a lot of Mel Robbins. You know who that is?

[Heather McDonald]

Of course. We've talked about Mel Robbins.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Let them. Let them. She was nominated.

[Chris Franjola]

She's full of crap. Right? That's all. That's.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. We were just talking about on the other show, like, how you. It's just really just taking all that motivational stuff. We used to call the motivational stickers.

[Chris Franjola]

Bumper stickers that I see on car just. And just regurgitates what a bumper sticker says and how. Like, why are people going so nuts for it? I'm like, if you want to feel good in the Morning, get a good night's sleep. I'm like, well, no shit.

[Heather McDonald]

This is the thing about what it is, is women are always looking to improve their life. Find that love life, find that passion. We, we are into self help as a species, okay? Men, they will do things to make money, but it's only going to be about money. They are not like, hey, I really think what would be great is to go on a three day, you know, a seminar about how to make my marriage more enriching. Like, no, nobody's doing that, you know, like so. But women will. We will try to find the latest fitness, the latest, all those things. So just like the reason that we go to psychics and things, we just want an answer.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And so you just jump on something and it speaks to you and you're like, oh, this will work. But then just like teenage girls, Even though we're 50, we'll move on to somebody else in a few years.

[Chris Franjola]

I feel like it's happening.

[Heather McDonald]

Women were into the Rachel Hollis and prior to that they were into Susan Powder. You know, like, prior to that they were into, you know, whoever was the workout buddy people.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, right.

[Heather McDonald]

Really old.

[Chris Franjola]

What about the guy with the ponytail? Remember him? He used to. Yeah, yeah, he'd be on that thing.

[Heather McDonald]

That'S moved crazy Chris and Bruce Jenner at the time, they used to do workout videos. So remember, you know.

[Chris Franjola]

Anyway, I thought Julia Roberts looked good.

[Heather McDonald]

No, she great. Yeah, so this did work for her.

[Chris Franjola]

She got a standing ovation. Yet Clooney didn't came out next after her. But it was kind of funny. The thing he did with Don Cheadle. Don Cheadle came out and they talked about it like, Don Cheadle's like, no standing ovation for you.

[Heather McDonald]

Not even. Not even for his Casamigos or his like Nespresso commercials or all the other commercials that he does.

[Chris Franjola]

I think Nikki Glazer touched upon this special commercials in her monologue.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, she did. I see. I didn't see the whole model, but I'm sure she did a great job.

[Chris Franjola]

She was great. I mean, she has like a great writer. Yeah, she's not great too, but she was great. She'll definitely get invited to do it again, I think. Why wouldn't they?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, if I was them, I would try to sign her. And maybe this has happened to like a 10 year contract that she like, like, like what happens with Scientology? Like a billionaire contract. You can't get out of it.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Because that's. I. If I own the Golden Globes I'd be like, I just want to not have to worry about this every year. I don't want to have to worry about her being like, I'm over it. Or no, I think last year, maybe she'll settle at 5.

[Chris Franjola]

They did a smart thing last year where they hired her immediately. The next, like, the next day, they made the announcement, she'll be back next year. So that was good. They should do that again right now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. But then also behind the scenes, they should, like, yeah, sign her for, like, 10 years.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

They just don't have to worry about it. Talking about things of we want to get rid of in 2026 is the whole so and so and so and so. Getting married was not on my bingo card this year. On the bingo card has got to be left in 2025 with 6, 7. And it's giving.

[Chris Franjola]

It's giving main character energy. Absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

All those things need to stay in 2025. We are done talking like that.

[Chris Franjola]

I agree.

[Heather McDonald]

So they actually had Golden Globe bingo cards.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

At the table. Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, just what people needed, I assume. I feel like DiCaprio is the one that everybody wants to see and talk to. And at the one before that was.

[Heather McDonald]

He's our Jack Nicholson.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. It was like, critics choice the week before. They're all the same thing. I don't know which one's which. And Golden Globe. And then, like, during commercial breaks, there's just, like, a line of people waiting behind DiCaprio to either speak to him or. Or take pictures with him or whatever. I mean, if I were him, I would just stay home. I'd be like, I'm out. You know, I don't need.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. I wonder if anybody is really thrilled when, like, oh, man. The movie that I'm doing in Hungaria happens to fall during award ceremony.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, they must love it. Yeah, I would love it.

[Heather McDonald]

You know Nikki Boyer? You know Nikki Boyer. You remember her.

[Chris Franjola]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So, you know, she started the podcast after her friend passed, which is Dying for Sex, which then became the series, and actually Michelle Williams. Williams won.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But unfortunately, she was not able to make it.

[Chris Franjola]

Michelle Williams wasn't there.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Which is sort of a bummer. But she did win. And I just think. I just. It's so amazing because I had Nikki on the show when the podcast was starting, and I was like, well, this should be a television series, and da, da, da. And it's just. It is really her story should give everyone hope that, like, you know, I mean, she was in the business, but to leap to like having something, being an executive producer and having it be nominated for a million things because you had a great story and you created it and put it in the right trajectory is like, pretty amazing.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Franjola]

Did he get rid of the tattoo?

[Heather McDonald]

He's gotten rid of a lot of them. I mean right now in this outfit that he's wearing with his girlfriend. I don't think they're married. They have a baby. They're going I guess to the Golden Globes or some events. And you know, he doesn't look as thin. Yeah, the black eyes are gone, thank goodness. But also just the look like the, the, you know, he got a lot of tats removed.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. Okay. I, I think I did a post on my, on my Instagram about, in Hawaii that I believe, and this is a controversial, controversial subject. I believe tattoos are ruining poolside resorts. It, I'm not talking like people like him who are slim and it looks good on him. There are those. But I'm talking to people who got it a while ago and it's, you know, A Raiders faded Raiders tattoo on their calf is ruining resort pool. They. Every single person had one or many. And they, the days of them having, you know, looking good in them are gone.

[Heather McDonald]

So my brother in law has been in the hospitality Vegas casino world for whatever, 30, 40 years. And there were certain hotels and casinos that had a policy that you could not work there if you had any visible tattoos from the uniform.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

So we're not just talking like neck, face, but like, you know, if you're a bartender and you roll up your sleeve like you couldn't show it if you had them.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And with everybody doing the hands and everything, they had to change that policy like 15 years ago. They're like, no, you would never have anybody.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

But I think my prediction is in the, in the next five years, 10 to be exact, it will be completely out of style.

[Chris Franjola]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. That is just my prediction. You know, there'll be something else, but it won't be permanent or something.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And what's going to happen now is stars like him. And my next prediction, Jelly Roll will start to remove some of the tats, starting with the face.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay. Jelly Roll's already lost a bunch of weight.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I lost the weight. He got new teeth. I'm telling you, the facial tattoos are gonna be the next thing to go.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. He loves to do the fake humble Jelly Roll. It annoys me. Fake humble. It. Nothing annoys me more than fake humble. I'm like, all right, now you're here.

[Heather McDonald]

That you can't. Yeah, you can't believe that you got. Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

And still does it five years later. Like, I can't what? This is never. I was just a guy in prison. Look at me now. Like, all right, it's been going on a while.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. When did, when do you switch that? Because, I mean, probably for the first few years you were just like, I can't fucking believe. But now you do fly private. You are this. You do have a staff.

[Chris Franjola]

Eventually got to go. Yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, you know, so when does that change?

[Chris Franjola]

Well, it should have changed immediately, but, you know, some people fake it, I believe, to make them look humble. Whatever. That's just my opinion.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, it does, it does really work because again, just like a manifesting mama, which is my new name. Manifesting Mama.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, is that right?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I came up with it yesterday.

[Chris Franjola]

I didn't know that.

[Heather McDonald]

If you can do it, I'm just teaching people. I'm going to start selling courses for $30,000.

[Chris Franjola]

You're like, Mel Rob, you need a big pair of glasses.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm gonna.

[Chris Franjola]

Where's your big glasses? Put them on. And manifest Mama, everybody.

[Heather McDonald]

It's gonna be my next book.

[Chris Franjola]

I told you.

[Heather McDonald]

I swear to God.

[Chris Franjola]

We got a copy that changes everything.

[Heather McDonald]

It's Manifesting Mama. And no, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna charge you courses, but I'm gonna write a book called Manifesting Mama. And it is gonna just be about deciding why not you? Why not you? Why not walk in a room and say, this room is lucky to have me here? Not I don't belong to be. I don't belong here. No. Yeah, you do. That's pretty good, because you walked in.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And when the energy shifts, you have the ability to shift it around.

[Chris Franjola]

Is this the third podcast after Juicy Crimes? Manifesting Mama. I'm. Could I be the first guest on. Man, I could.

[Heather McDonald]

Just like you were the first guest on Juicy sc. Of course. What do you want to manifest? Okay, let. Let me talk to me. I'm coaching you now. It's $3,000 an hour. Hi, Chris. Good morning.

[Chris Franjola]

Good morning. Nice to meet you. Manifesting Mama. How are you?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, we are so glad to have you part of the program.

[Chris Franjola]

First time caller, long time listener.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, thank you. What can I do to help you manifest what is meant for Chris Frangiola in this life, in this world, in this moment, today? Are you in the moment, Chris?

[Chris Franjola]

I like to think I am.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think you are, no.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay. You might be right.

[Heather McDonald]

Don't use the word might. We're gonna take might out of the vocabulary because you know what? That should. You know what might is? It's insecurity. I might be able to reach it tomorrow. I might be able to make my sales.

[Chris Franjola]

So I should say, I'm going to reach you tomorrow.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I am.

[Chris Franjola]

I am.

[Heather McDonald]

I did.

[Chris Franjola]

I did do.

[Heather McDonald]

Past tense and present tense.

[Chris Franjola]

I feel like you've read a book.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I have this pretty good.

[Chris Franjola]

This is really.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I improvised it on my last episode. It's very natural for me.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, really?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I'm telling you.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay, can I think.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, for fuck all these topics. I'm ready to be Manifest Mama.

[Chris Franjola]

I tried. I'm not a manifest guy at all. Not at all. And I tried one time.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I said, let me. Because I hear people say it works.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

So I had a little book.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

You know, I don't know where I found it. And I wrote a couple things in it. Someone says, write it down. Yeah, write it down. And then, of course, my daughter and my wife found it and they were like, what's this? And I'm like, it was so embarrassing to have your manifestations read back to you. You're like, oh, there's nothing worse than that. And that's what happened. And that was ruined. Any manifestation I've ever had.

[Heather McDonald]

I think there's nothing wrong with manifesting it, but it doesn't have to cost any money. Yeah, that's all. You can write it down. You can say it in the morning. You can just think it in your head. You can make the posters. But you, to me, you don't need to. And you can buy a book on it that's, you know, $30. But I just don't believe that you need to.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Get to a level.

[Chris Franjola]

I mean. And also, I think in your manifestations need to be somewhat attainable. You know what I mean? Like, you can't just manifest.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I remember when I first got a hold of the secret dvd, right. Lisa Sunstead dropped it off at my house.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, perfect. Look. What?

[Heather McDonald]

And it was kind of a life changing moment because I wasn't pursuing stand up. I'd taken a big break. I had the little kids and I watched it. I actually didn't finish it, but I did gain the important part. But one of the things was. So it was like all the things you could manifest. And there was like a scene of this person in a third world country, like, hanging their sheets as. As there was like a, you know, narration. And that's what immediately. Well, I was. I said, okay, yes, it can happen in America. Not all of America. I mean, it can happen in. If you, you know, it could happen, but it can happen in America. You can become a homeowner. You can, though. It's very hard. You can become a business owner. There's nothing legally stopping you from doing that.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

So there. Yes, right. But not for everybody in the world.

[Chris Franjola]

No, not for everybody. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, you can't do it in certain countries.

[Chris Franjola]

Like, you know, some people just.

[Heather McDonald]

You're walking around with one eye as a woman, I don't think that you're gonna do great makeup tutorials.

[Chris Franjola]

You know, secret, though my, you know, fashion show. I doubt it. Maybe.

[Heather McDonald]

So. So, yeah, that's what I think. But okay, so moving on, let's talk about this Brittany Furlan thing. This is the longest, weirdest story ever.

[Chris Franjola]

It's pretty fascinating. I don't know much about it, but I know enough.

[Heather McDonald]

I just.

[Chris Franjola]

I don't know the new.

[Heather McDonald]

Just to catch people up. Brittany Furlong, very pretty actress, funny girl, made it On Vine. She's been in a documentary about social influencing. She's been married to Tommy Lee or together with him for over a decade. Tommy Lee from Motley Crue. Motley Crue. And I want to say this was like, six months ago. There's this other guy named Ronnie Radke who's in. Also in a band, very much like a younger Tommy Lee, all tatted up and everything. And she was in a lonely part of her marriage, and she started Snapchatting with him, and to the point of, you know, let's meet. I'm going to come to your house, whatever. He then somehow, like, I think he came out and exposed it, because Tommy Lee saw the messages and reached out to him, and it was like, why the are you reaching out to a married woman? He's like, I never reached out to Brittany Furlong. What are you talking about? She must have been catfished. That is not me. And she was like, there is no way this wasn't you. Like, there's. There's no physical. There's no cyber way. This wasn't you.

[Chris Franjola]

Is that what she's saying now?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Yeah, she is saying that now. And she was saying it. Then he's. So then he's like, leave me alone. And then he somehow. It just bubbled up again, because I think in.

[Chris Franjola]

He's suing them or something.

[Heather McDonald]

He has tried to get her. He's asking for a restraining order against her. Yeah, because he's saying, you know, like. Like, you've been catfish. Stop this. And she's saying, you're doing this to harass and humiliate me now. So she's just put in her petition to get a restraining order against him. Here's the thing. Sometimes when people go, well, so what? Have a re. Let him get a restraining order against you. It's not like you're going to go up and show up at his house, Brittany. Who cares? But the reason people don't want someone to succeed in getting a restraining order against them is because it's on your record. It gets pulled up.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

If anything was to happen in the future, they'd be like, you know, I want to believe Chris, but 10 years ago, you know, he didn't fight this restraining order, and this weird person at the restaurant got one against him. So maybe he does have a bad temper. You know what I mean? So you want to. So right now, they both are trying to get them against each other, and it's just such a bizarre story. Like, I don't. You know, I don't know. So she's basically saying, no, you. This was you. And you're just trying to, like, with me and make us look bad as a couple and everything else.

[Chris Franjola]

Make her and Tommy Lee look bad as a couple and.

[Heather McDonald]

And make me, like, look crazy. That's what I'm gathering. It's very hard to cover, but it's. It's kind of crazy.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. I don't. And then I. Is he not suing them? I. I thought I had read last week that they. He was actually suing them.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay. That part I don't know. This is from tmz. Just talks about the restraining order. But maybe you're right. Maybe he's suing them for, like, all the trauma. What happens then is then all this gets. You know, you wake up every day and you open your phone and there's people saying, like, you're an asshole. How could you do this, Tom Rainbow. And then that person gets to a place where they're like, enough is enough. I never contacted this whack job. She's a horny bitch. This. Somehow she was catfished. And, you know, and it is. We know how hard it is to find. I mean, when you saw that documentary about the mom who was catfishing her own daughter, that took years to discover.

[Chris Franjola]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

Like, it's very hard to figure out cyber. Like, in the cyber world, if someone's doing that, we know that, you know, catfishing can happen. So I don't know if I was her again. I've just said this the other day. I would have just fight it. But I guess the best way to fight it is that to fight it with your own restraining order. I guess that's it. I mean, she's probably like, why are you bringing this up again?

[Chris Franjola]

I know. I feel like it's back.

[Heather McDonald]

So maybe he is just kind of a dick about it.

[Chris Franjola]

I don't. I don't know. Ronnie Radke. I'm not familiar with his work.

[Heather McDonald]

No, either am I. Like, whatever.

[Chris Franjola]

So, I mean, it's the most I've ever heard of Ronnie Radke.

[Heather McDonald]

This is what I do think.

[Chris Franjola]

But she's. Obviously.

[Heather McDonald]

I think it could be either or I think that he could. It could have been him, and they could have been flirting, and then he didn't want the reputation when. When Tommy got mad at him. He didn't want that. He didn't want that in the music industry. So he could be lying. He could. I'm not saying he is. Don't sue me either. She's been honest in Saying whether he was catfisher was real. She was flirting with someone else because they weren't in a good place. Yeah, they're back together now. So, like, I feel like she's been very forthcoming in it all.

[Chris Franjola]

She was a comedian for a minute, right? She was trying standing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, she was trying stand. A lot of everyone. Everyone does.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, everybody loves it.

[Heather McDonald]

And yeah, you have until.

[Chris Franjola]

Until you don't.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, the amount of reality stars that have also tried it.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, and that go. That's quick.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Because once you get through just a few people being interested in seeing you do it, then. Yeah, then that's like that movie I.

[Chris Franjola]

Was just talking about. It was directed by Bradley Cooper. I feel like Bradley Cooper's got some sort of weird fascination with stand up comedy. I don't really know why.

[Heather McDonald]

What do you think of his Barry Manilow face?

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, I. It's definitely something. I can't tell what I thought it was hairline. It looks weird to me, but I just feel like.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what?

[Chris Franjola]

I think he's been referencing it on.

[Heather McDonald]

Podcasts we all want and saying that I did get something done.

[Chris Franjola]

I don't know if I. I know he's mentioning it. Whether he says he did or he didn't. He said people now come up to him and. And say, you look like Barry Manilow.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen, you know, everybody gets them. Everybody gets the facelifts and everything. And there's nothing wrong with it. And just some people look refreshed and some people look really different. And it's just like, you just don't know what you're gonna get.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And the. And if you look really different, you should just. And you, you just have to then go, yeah, I did this. Hopefully. Yeah, hopefully. You like my new hat?

[Chris Franjola]

Remember the guy you like before? Well, now he's a different one.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm just inside.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, yeah. I'm still the same person inside. It's like Frankenstein.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. I want to. Yeah. The latest on the mom toxic thing with the Ashley Tisdale. Just to fill you guys in. Ashley Tisdale was in like a Hollywood group of women with Mandy Moore, Hillary Duff, who's the other one, that singer all about that Meghan Trainor. And she basically wrote an article and said I had to get out of this toxic mom group. But basically it's because they were already excluding her.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

So then when. Oh, it's toxic. Well, it's toxic because we didn't want you there or whatever. Oh, I was on the edge of the table. Well, some people have to be on the edge of the table.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You don't be on the edge table. Get there on time and squat in the middle and don't leave until everyone sits around you.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, that's the deal. And so Crystal Minkoff, who used to be on Real House at the Beverly Hills, one of her storylines was they all said, you know, Crystal, the new girl's a weirdo because she got dropped by 14 friends. And so some of those women were part of the same toxic mom group. So now Crystal is saying, oh, I can relate to Ashley Tisdale, because I. My kids were in preschool with these mean moms.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think what they do is they take it a new mom or the new mom weasels her way in.

[Chris Franjola]

Is this. Where's this happen? Is this in the Valley?

[Heather McDonald]

No, this is, like west la.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, it is.

[Heather McDonald]

This is like. I think this is definitely.

[Chris Franjola]

This was a Valley thing, I thought. Because I thought they were.

[Heather McDonald]

No, because Crystal lives in, like, legit Beverly Hills.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

So I think this is Beverly, you know, private Beverly Hills. Hollywood Hills, West Hills, west la, that whole situation. Because it's like, you know, big names. And I think what happened was someone, you know, ingratiates themselves and says, oh, and I'm gonna have what, you know, what little Johnny and Susie like each other, come to my house in Beverly Hills. And they kind of weasel their way in and they, okay, pretty nice, and you all met, whatever. But then time goes on, and then they're like, do we have to invite Crystal again? She's kind of annoying. That's what I. And then you're like. And then when you excluded, you're like, oh, my God. They're. It's like, well, I mean, they have a right to hang, who they want to hang with, you know, and now it's all exposed, and it starts a big conversation. I personally never was in a mom's group because with my work schedule and stuff, and then when I would show up, people would be like, what are you doing here at school?

[Chris Franjola]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

And I'd be like, oh, you know. And they'd be like, oh, you're not. You're not filming or anything today? I'm like, no, I am. And they'd be like, oh, you don't. I just didn't think. Because you're like, makeup's done. Done. And I'm like, it is done. Like, just mean things, whatever.

[Chris Franjola]

And also toxic. Toxic.

[Heather McDonald]

Toxic. A little toxic, but, you know. But then also, I was being overly Sensitive. And I'm like, these women are running the school. They don't give a shit if I have to do Chelsea lately or not.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm not inviting them over to my house. So, like, why do I expect to be invited to the, to the book club? I, it's, it's a. It's hard.

[Chris Franjola]

I'm at the point. I mean, the less I'm invited to, the better. You know what I mean? Like, if I was Ashley Tis, I'd be like, I didn't get invited. That's amazing. I get to stay home. I mean, I'm in a group.

[Heather McDonald]

You are in a dad group.

[Chris Franjola]

Dad's dad. Dads and Donuts.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, we, we used to love the Dads and Donuts.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I went, you know what? I would go to the Dads and Donuts because one time Peter didn't want to go. And I go, well, then I'm gonna go because it's the only day I can go do something. And I went to the Dads and Donuts.

[Chris Franjola]

I went once, okay. To Dads and Donuts. I don't think it's been many after that. I don't think it took off, dad. It was part of the school and I went to that. And at Dads and Donuts was every car parked was a G wagon. So already I'm like, oh, no. I pull up in my Key Italia ride. I'm like, I'm not part of Dads and Donuts. I'm. I'm the Ashley Tisdale of Dads and Donuts. And, and three of the guys are legit. No, I'm not kidding. Brain surgeons. And then like. And what are you doing? I'm like, well, next week I'm at the Funny Bone in Omaha. Like, what? And so I, I mean, I was not accepting.

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, I have to ask. So none of these guys are like, kind of excited to meet you because you are funny and that's such a cool job.

[Chris Franjola]

It became a little bit, There was a little bit of that later in like when we became basketball and stuff for like, we were on the sidelines and they were like, so you, you know, if they don't know comedy.

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, your five year old daughter plays basketball?

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, six. She's six.

[Heather McDonald]

That's amazing.

[Chris Franjola]

Plays basketball is, you know, that's a stretch. She throws the ball into the air. Whether it comes near the net is anybody's guess.

[Heather McDonald]

But do you have a basketball court at your house now?

[Chris Franjola]

We don't you have to. No, but we play. We play. We can go Anytime and play.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, but you. It doesn't take a lot of room.

[Chris Franjola]

Just to get a thing in prayer, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Chris Franjola]

I don't think so.

[Heather McDonald]

And then when some people really throw themselves in it and they don't have other things going on, they are really devastated when people leave.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I saw Garcelle Bouvet and her boys are just like, just a little younger than Brandon. And she. I go. I go, oh, aren't your boys seniors this year? She's like, yes. And then I go. And she goes, oh, is it awful when they leave? I'm like, no.

[Chris Franjola]

When they leave, like, the home.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, no, you'll be fine, right? I'm like, you'll be fine. You'll see them. You'll be fine. It's like. But I think for some people, like, it's really devastating when they make this their whole life.

[Chris Franjola]

The good Thing about me is, as an old dad is, I'll be dead by the time my daughter graduates high school, so I won't have to know about that.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so we talked about Jelly Roll. Sarah Michelle Geller and Chrissy Teigen are judges for the Star Search Netflix reboot, which I love a. A Star Search type situation. What do you think about the judges that they chose if I come up.

[Chris Franjola]

With this like a comedian? Because I remember comedy was big on stars.

[Heather McDonald]

Why isn't there a stand up doing this out of all the stands?

[Chris Franjola]

Hilarious. She's. But she did something like this before. There was like a, there was a lip sync show. No, there was like a stand up show where Chrissy Teiga was a judge with Jeff Foxworthy. It wasn't that long ago. And if I'm a comedian who's probably. They're going to get people who've been doing it a while. Who Pros.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

And Chrissy, I feel the same way about like America's Got Talent. Like if I have to sit there and let Heidi Klum tell me I'm funny or not funny, I would, I would die.

[Heather McDonald]

You're so funny, Chris.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like the way you walk. I like, I wish that you would not walk back and forth so much.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. And that's what she said. I'm like have. What do you know about anything? Like what.

[Heather McDonald]

The only reason it was distracting.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

But I like the joke about your daughter and I know I'm doing a horrible accent, but I'm just, I can't remember and I can't remember what her German accent sounds like.

[Chris Franjola]

But, but anyway, I feel that way. Like jelly roll. Sure. You know, I mean, I feel like he could judge musicians.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

But what the. Whatever. What does Sarah Michelle Galar.

[Heather McDonald]

I just figured this is one of those things that there is some behind the scenes packaging deal. Someone has the licensing.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Some connection. Because I just really feel like, yes, she's married to John Legend and John Legend is a delight and they're a cute family. But she really has like, she really had a rough time in the last, you know, five years ago. Yes. And definitely lost her popularity and definitely fell off the face of the earth a little bit. So I'm like, of all the people, like, you know, Sarah Silverman wasn't available. Like, you know, any female comedian want, you know, maybe want to psych says want to do it. But even, like, even below Tiffany Hadish couldn't do this. Like, I mean, I'm just saying.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, they probably asked, you know, so they Were probably.

[Heather McDonald]

I know, but what about a legit, real stand up? Like there's enough legit stand ups that have a following, men or women. You could have gotten another guy.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, I'm surprised.

[Heather McDonald]

There isn't a gay person. There should be one gay. The gay guy should have been the comedian. That's what you should have done.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Sarah Michelle Geller is fine because it's just kind of an overall thing. I still don't know that she's the one that I think about judging. Talent.

[Chris Franjola]

I don't.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think the only legit one is the jelly roll. He's Christian, he's country. He was fat, now he's thin, he's tattooed. Then he'll soon be not tattooed. He's got big teeth. Like he's relatable.

[Chris Franjola]

Huh.

[Heather McDonald]

But yeah, and weird. Kind of weird, but whatever. It might be hit Alan DeGeneres and Porsche escaped America.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But they're back. They bought another home in California for 27 million. Because you know what? Just something. Just a little retreat.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Just miss the sunshine. And she's taking photos of rainbows and the sheep are walking into the house.

[Chris Franjola]

Is that in California or is that in the uk?

[Heather McDonald]

No, that's Montecito.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh. Oh, so she's back already.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. It says, according to your post about another house in California.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So she might leave the uk. Oh, no, because I'm telling you, just like Meghan Markle, you leave sunny California and you think you can, you know, you like a. A London fog or a Burberry trench. You like the looks of layers.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You don't realize that's, you know, 10 months out of the year. Not for you. Not for me.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. My brother just sent me a picture of New York. You know, he lives in New York City and he's like, we're at this point now where Christmas is fun. New York City, it's Christmas time. But now it's a couple of weeks after and he just has like a pile of snow that had been plowed, just covered in like garbage. He goes, now it's just dirty snow time for the next, like two months. Which we don't have to worry about.

[Heather McDonald]

No, we don't. So anyway, so what do you think their next step? I. How.

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, they're like out of the business. Right. She has kind of said, I retired.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

More or less.

[Heather McDonald]

If they don't start Ellen and Porsche podcast by the end of 2026, I will do something crazy. I will, I will. I will dance naked on the 101. I don't know. Okay, I will do something because you know what's going to happen.

[Chris Franjola]

I wouldn't put it again. Yes. I mean, it sounds like the trajectory is going that direction. Why wouldn't they?

[Heather McDonald]

Ellen Porsche podcasting.

[Chris Franjola]

If they do manifesting, Mom, I will freak out.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm telling you. I have to copyright that name.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, I mean, but they tell the story. Like we. All we want from. From Ellen is we want to hear what happened. Like, are you, are you the worst person in the world?

[Heather McDonald]

Or she kind of addressed in her stand up special.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, she. I didn't watch that one.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, Ian not. Yeah, Ian, who was the guy that. Ian Carmel. Yeah, he basically like wrote it, I think for her.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh really?

[Heather McDonald]

Or he worked on it. He was one of the writers and stuff.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And for what it was, it was, it was pretty good. I mean, I liked it. I, I was interested in it because she did kind of touch on it and it was just like, wow. And she kind of made fun of it. Just like, didn't know I was hated. Like, it was kind of. Yeah, yeah, it was just kind of. The whole thing was weird and I feel like had it not broke, it wouldn't have been that big of a story if it wasn't during COVID Just like the Tiger King would not have been a big show had it not happened during co. Like there's just certain things that just people were home and it just was like wildfire, like just something to do and. Yeah. So there you go. And also, Megan Markle might return to the UK the first time in four years this summer.

[Chris Franjola]

All right.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know what, what's, what's your prediction for them for the Mark.

[Chris Franjola]

The Markle and, and H and M and. Yeah. H and M. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Her husband H. What do you.

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, I feel like they just live their lives. I mean, I feel like they, they have money. Right. I mean, isn't it just.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know that they have enough to live for the rest of their life the way they like to live? But it's not just that. I don't think they're totally fine being like anonymous people really. Well, she might be, but like, I don't think that she. Yeah, I'm sure any. Yes, of course they could make it last.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

They could move into, get whatever their 30 million home dollar home. They could find a cute 5 million still send their kids to a good public school in, in Santa Barbara and.

[Chris Franjola]

And then go do those signings, you know, like. Yeah. And Burbank and just sign, you know, at the where we were going to.

[Heather McDonald]

Do Chris and Heather. Forever.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Together forever. Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

They can go like next to Barbara Eden and the guy from F Troop or something. They'd be in the middle table. Sign. You ever see that? That's the saddest thing.

[Heather McDonald]

No. One time, Vicki, Vicki and Sharon and Shannon Bedor from Real House 5 of OC did it.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

They went to Burbank and I'm like, this is so crazy. Like, you know, just some like douchey promoter called them and they're like, for how much now? But don't you get paid, like per signage?

[Chris Franjola]

Depends on who you are. I think in the case of those girls with Shannon Bedor and stuff, I think people would come to them. But there's dudes who are like, you know, third lead on Lost in Space.

[Heather McDonald]

And then do you sign your headshot from when you were 12, but now you're like 71.

[Chris Franjola]

I think sometimes you could get it. You can get the old headshot for a couple of more bucks, you know, or you want my new headshot? That's $10. You want me at Lost in Space. Look, that's 25.

[Heather McDonald]

Wow.

[Chris Franjola]

My friend was on two seasons of Walking Dead and that was such a hit show that he was able to do it just because of that. He wasn't really like a standout character or anything, but he went and he goes, it was the most embarrassing afternoon of my life. I was like standing behind this thing and then that, you know, they would take a picture of it.

[Heather McDonald]

But he also owns restaurants.

[Chris Franjola]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

So this was like kind of a fun day for him.

[Chris Franjola]

Like 25 bucks. And then, you know, they have to dig into their pocket and he was like, oh, no, I gotta wait here while they count out $25. So yeah, I mean, I think it always do that is what I'm saying.

[Heather McDonald]

I could always do that. I definitely think by 2028, okay, yeah. She will be on some type of ensemble reality show, whatever that is, whether it's something that hasn't been invented yet. Real Housewives, something, you know, a one off Traders or something. Something, you know, a really high end celebrity thing that hasn't been put out. She will be on some type of reality show by the end of 2027.

[Chris Franjola]

I yesterday was with a couple of people and one of them happens to own a very fancy restaurant in Austin, Texas. And she was telling a story that like they got a phone call about a half hour before that. They're on their way. Harry and Megan are coming to your restaurant in Austin. In Austin.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

And they were like, oh, my God. So, you know, the security pulled up. Da, da, da. And she says, whether true or not, who knows? She said they were absolutely delightful. She said he was the nicest guy. They gave her a big hug and was funny, and they made jokes about. She had a picture, she said, of Freddie Mercury and Queen Elizabeth, like, morphed together. And he's like, should I take a picture with this? And he was. She was like. Said something along eyes. I think you've taken enough pictures you regret or something. He said, laughing. And she said she was wonderful. So I know they get on a lot, but I heard a story yesterday that they were very nice. Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

This is what I think. Why shouldn't they be wonderful? Why you're going to a fancy restaurant in Austin. Why wouldn't you be a funny delight? I think they probably can be pleasant.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

I also think all the people that, you know, hate working for them, you know, you. Yeah. You were working for them. I don't know.

[Chris Franjola]

Do they have that. Are there people out there who say they.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it's always like, oh, they went through their third publicist. Whatever. Well, maybe they were, like, not happy with the pr. It has never been good. Maybe they're like, we hired you so you could turn it around.

[Chris Franjola]

Look at the pr. It's not good.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not good. So it's like, maybe that's why you weren't. Were let go. But no, I'm sure they. They. I'm sure at a restaurant they can turn it on. And they also. You want these stories to get out that you're like, a total delight. You tipped really well, you know, and whatever. I don't. I don't think she, like, is that fun. But, like, would I want to see her in the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills? Yes.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

Would I like to see her become more real and all of that. I don't think she's ever really been real. I don't think we know the real her.

[Chris Franjola]

No. As a. As a dear friend. No, I. Yeah, I agree. I don't. So how do you do that, though?

[Heather McDonald]

I think as she gets older, as this gets further from her, this whole princess thing, I think that, you know, just like everybody, the closer you get to 50, and she's like 43 or 4 now, she will get it to the. To the fuck it place, and she will get to be more truly, I.

[Chris Franjola]

Believe the way to fix these type of problems where, you know, for whatever Reason People just don't buy what you're selling. It's a risk. But you host Saturday Night Live. You have to host Saturday Night Live.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

It makes you look human. It makes you look. And you could goof on.

[Heather McDonald]

Totally.

[Chris Franjola]

Like, if Meghan Markle and him together host snl, I think it humanizes that.

[Heather McDonald]

It's just like when.

[Chris Franjola]

But they could bomb. And you're right.

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's like when Kim did it. And that was the first time she made fun of the sex tape.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

For eight years, we could not make fun of the sex tape on Chelsea lately.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

That was the one rule. We could talk about anything else.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

We could be political. We could talk about countries. Different countries. We could be racist. We could be. I mean, everything.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But do not talk about that sex tape. And then she got up there and she joked about it. And not that she wasn't like before, but it made her that much more likable. Oh, for sure.

[Chris Franjola]

I think it works.

[Heather McDonald]

I think you're totally right. And I think that they should reach out to her. If not year this year, then maybe next.

[Chris Franjola]

Right. And it would get huge. Right. And people would love that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I don't know. But what do I know anyway?

[Heather McDonald]

And as long as they write her something funny and she executes it, then people will be like, she is funny.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know? Okay. I love that. Dr. Oz explains new alcohol guidelines. Don't have it for breakfast. So what do you. What do you think about this?

[Chris Franjola]

Well, first of all, I don't think enough people know that you, Dr. Oz, and you and I have worked together. It was the strangest afternoon of our. I know. I can't. Every now and again when I see some weird thing about him.

[Heather McDonald]

Somebody find it on YouTube. It's somewhere.

[Chris Franjola]

We did the craziest weird. It was before he had become I working in the. I'll tell you this.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, he definitely wasn't in the administration. This is like he was 10 years ago. Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

And he was. He was thinking about having. He was going to start, like, a lot a funny. Somebody told him, you need to do YouTube content and be funny.

[Heather McDonald]

Be funny.

[Chris Franjola]

So he had this idea that he was going to do. He was going to work with comedians and be like their doctor.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Franjola]

He was going to be a comedian's doc. Different comedians. Doctor. And they would come in and say, here's my problem. And he would fix it. That was the bit. And somehow I played his nurse. I don't even know how any of this happened.

[Heather McDonald]

I was gonna, like, play A gay nurse.

[Chris Franjola]

I know I was. I don't think I was playing gay in this one. I normally did, but I think this one I was supposed to be. I don't know. But I was a nurse.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't even remember what I was doing.

[Chris Franjola]

And you were. You were Heather McDonald. You were our.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh. And I was asking, like, about a medical thing.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then wherever we went, it was such an interesting place. It was this place that had all these different sets.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So it was like one, like, literally, here's the hospital room that you can do. Or a doctor's office. Here's a court scene. Here's a. And kind of cool. And so I was like, oh, my God, like, this is so great. You could just, like, rent this out. Anyway, so we did.

[Chris Franjola]

So anyway, we worked with him. I remember him telling me during a break he would. He told me about Matt Lauer. He's like, matt Lauer is the next one. Tomorrow he's going down. I heard it. He got. I heard it first.

[Heather McDonald]

And how much time went between him.

[Chris Franjola]

Telling you, like, the next day. Oh, yeah, it came. It broke. The Matt Lauer stuff. Anyway, so. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you think Matt Lauer is ever going to come back? He says he wants to come back. Or just a podcast?

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, has he done that yet? Yeah, he keeps.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I don't think he will. I think to him, it's really beneath him, though. In the past, like, I saw this, like, interview that he did with Corey Feldman and stuff. He was great. He was really good. Matt Lauer was really good at like. Like, getting under people's skin and asking the hard questions.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, he was also. Yeah. I mean.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I don't care if he's a dick or.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, I like him on the Today.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, he was good. Like, I don't. You know. But again, you don't need him back. It's 10 years later. He obviously had all those problematic things with harassment, but it. Yeah, I'm like. So I think his ego. I think he's got such an ego. I just don't think he can bring himself. Maybe now that we're in the Golden Globes and things, maybe now he can. But I'm sure he said. Has said no to every year. His agent probably has brought him some amazing deal and he's been like, I.

[Chris Franjola]

Haven'T heard anything about him in a while. Yeah. Anyway, so what are they that he.

[Heather McDonald]

Just doesn't want to work.

[Chris Franjola]

Like, I mean, why. Why 70 years old or whatever he is.

[Heather McDonald]

Why do you have to do anything he's got. But the only thing was, okay, if you do a great podcast, imagine this. I'm. I'm Matt's agent. Hi, Matt. How are you? What are you doing?

[Chris Franjola]

What's going down? Long time I haven't heard from you.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I've got the whole team here.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay. Hi, Matt, Susan.

[Heather McDonald]

It's Josh over here. We haven't met, but I'm really excited to talk.

[Chris Franjola]

How are you? Happy you're on the team. What's happening?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, obviously, you know that we're huge fans and we feel that 2026 is a year for the Matt Lauer takeover.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, and I like that.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, I don't know if you're aware, but your old interview clips have gone viral on Tick Tock.

[Chris Franjola]

Which ones? The ones where I asked Anne Hathaway about her looking up her skirt or something. He's had some tough ones.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, well, yeah, there's. There's been some of that, but there's also been some really great ones. Oh, and we have been talking to some people that are really excited in the audio visual space.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

They're not gonna. I'm listening. I'm not saying podcast. I'm just gonna ease you in.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It's the audio visual space. And you know, one thing that is not going to be taken by AI is authentic personalities. And people are wondering, what has Matt Lauer been up to? Where is Matt Lauer?

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, remember I used to do that? Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And where you've been is in your beautiful home in the Hamptons. And I've got Ebadon here. Ebedon. Say hello. Hello.

[Chris Franjola]

Hey, Evadon is.

[Heather McDonald]

Can be on your property within an hour.

[Chris Franjola]

And he has recording equipment.

[Heather McDonald]

He is going to. He set up any room to have your own podcast. We're gonna get a neon sign.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Behind me, like, where is Matt Lauer? Here is the name we came up with.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, I love it.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And you know, we're gonna get you a co host. Oh, we thought about a female. We thought. Yeah. And we're not gonna go with a gay guy either.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, okay. Who's gonna be.

[Heather McDonald]

We have found a. What would you give him as a co host?

[Chris Franjola]

Dr. Dr. Oz.

[Heather McDonald]

Now, who could we get as a co host that would be, like, safe. Who? A lesbian woman.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, Rachel Maddow. But she's got a job.

[Heather McDonald]

No, a lesbian woman who.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

A lesbian woman who's also a sports star. We're gonna find one for you that hasn't exploded yet.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. So like, a WNBA player Maybe or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, or tennis or something. Or whatever. And that's going to be your co host. And you guys are going to just do Hot Topics. You're going to talk about funny things and it's going to be one hour a day. One hour out of your week. One hour out of your week. Do you think you could do that?

[Chris Franjola]

I think I could probably pull that off, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. We have an offer for you. It's a little low. We're gonna get it up.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

It's a minimum of 4 million a year.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, wow.

[Heather McDonald]

Once a week. But you only have to do 20 episodes for the year.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, I'll take it. I'll take it. Let's. Let's bring. Send Mondano right over. We'll start now. Yeah, I mean, I feel like we fixed like four people's careers here.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. We. We got an agent. A big commission. Yeah, I do so much for people. It goes nowhere.

[Chris Franjola]

Is that.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, he says don't drink for. Don't drink alcohol and break for breakfast. Don't have any alcohol in the morning. So that's pretty broad. I mean, he wants to keep this business going.

[Chris Franjola]

Where are you on drinking these days? How many? What?

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I don't like to count it. Oh, you know, I go. I right now am in the middle of wet January.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, wet January, Yeah. A lot of people go in the other direction.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Dry January. I like to.

[Chris Franjola]

So are you still just wine? No, I thought.

[Heather McDonald]

I like everything.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, really?

[Heather McDonald]

I like a exciting tequila drink.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Right now I'm into this one at my club called no way. Rose. It's a rose tequila by Adam Levine and they created some yummy juices that went with it. I don't know. It's delicious.

[Chris Franjola]

A rose tequila. All right.

[Heather McDonald]

Delicious. With like some shot. Exciting. Fruit juice. Yeah, of course. I love rumour. Chardonnay is my favorite. I love a cab. But I found I. I remember my mom being like, red wine gives me a headache.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think, honestly, it doesn't. That does not agree with me as much as in my age.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

So I think it's like. And I. I don't like to drink for breakfast, but I like. I like a liner. Not sound like Amy Poehler that did a whole episode with going to the Paltrow about going to dinner early. But I like a liner, which is like an early dinner. And I. If I'm going to have a drink, I like to have it like on a Saturday, like earlier in the day. Not like, what time fast. Like start at like 4 or 5? I just have a coup. Well, maybe earlier than that.

[Chris Franjola]

But anyway, are you out. Are you out at your club here or you. Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

My whole thing is I'm trying not to drink at the house. Like, it has to be a reason, right? But then Peter's like, why are you drinking at the club when you could just have a bottle of wine here and it's a lot less expensive?

[Chris Franjola]

That's no fun.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm like. Yeah. I'm like. Because the whole point is, like, having nights where you don't crack anything open.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, it's like very much Days of Wine and Roses with Peter and I. If someone opens the wine, then. So I'm like, can we just not, like, open anything? I definitely think everyone. You know, there's no reason to everyone should be cutting back. But, God, you know what?

[Chris Franjola]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, the world is ending. Like, just enjoy. What is it gonna matter?

[Chris Franjola]

No, it's not.

[Heather McDonald]

If you're sober for all of January, if you're gonna start up in February, why not? This is what I've decided. It used to be, don't get wasted. Just have a. Like, enjoy a glass of wine with dinner. No, now I'm the opposite. Now I think get wasted. I say, in college, my friends used to say, let's not drink tonight. Let's save it up for tomorrow. Now I'm going back to college, and I think, why have a glass of wine or one drink when you're not even going to catch a buzz? Why waste those 300 calories? Why not wait and then just really have it, like a. Rip it down?

[Chris Franjola]

That's a good attitude.

[Heather McDonald]

Have, like, one night where you really party. Take whatever you need to take. Buy talks a little something. So don't get hungover. I don't really get hungover anymore, and I never get sick from it.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because I do.

[Chris Franjola]

A true alcoholic.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, a true alcoholic, maybe. And. But no, I'd rather just have, like, one really fun.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Night.

[Chris Franjola]

Good.

[Heather McDonald]

And then. And then be good for, like, four days after that.

[Chris Franjola]

Right. I mean that. You know, I keep reading these things that nobody's drinking anymore and whatever else. So.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I'm just curious.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I definitely.

[Chris Franjola]

Where people are at.

[Heather McDonald]

It's definitely not. There's definitely no benefit from it at all.

[Chris Franjola]

But there is. Here's the thing.

[Heather McDonald]

I believe there is happiness.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, that says a benefit. Like, I. I don't even really drink that much, but I. It's fun to be out and Have a drink here and there.

[Heather McDonald]

And I don't know how I could stay at things for a long time if I'm not enjoy having a drink or looking forward to the next one.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

I. I wouldn't go out. I would stay 15, 25 minutes. Like when, when a night is a really fun night and it goes longer than two hours, it's because there was drinking and talking and you were not boring me.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. You know, what do you have to talk about? What now I'm. I'm sitting down with Heather McDonald having a couple of drinks. What do I need to talk about? We decide to. Heather McDonald.

[Heather McDonald]

We talk about anything. Like we talk about the news. We talk. I mean, I talk about things I don't. Can't talk about on the show, you know, like. And maybe some darker things or whatever. Talk about families and kids and gossip about like, people that I wouldn't want.

[Chris Franjola]

To talk gossip of. Like people.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, like people we know and whatever. Like that is my favorite. Yeah. Just stuff like that.

[Chris Franjola]

You gotta talk.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like some talking, some funny. Like, whatever.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, that's the thing. Going back to dad groups and mom groups and stuff. Sometimes I go back to my wife. She'll like how well. Well, nobody talks, you know, so it's no fun. Like, I don't want to talk about anything they're talking about. Yeah, you talk like, I have been.

[Heather McDonald]

I have been in situations where it's too much kid talk.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, it's the worst. And I'm in it.

[Heather McDonald]

And I also, like, I don't want to hear about where your kid is thinking about going to college.

[Chris Franjola]

What were your three.

[Heather McDonald]

Because I already lived through it and I'm over it.

[Chris Franjola]

I totally get it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Back in Chelsea, you had three rules that you could not talk about. One of them was how did you.

[Heather McDonald]

Get the route you got here?

[Chris Franjola]

The route to work?

[Heather McDonald]

The route and the traffic.

[Chris Franjola]

And the route traffic. I went this way.

[Heather McDonald]

Any kind of ailment went down.

[Chris Franjola]

Victory. Instead of the 405 guy.

[Heather McDonald]

Any kind of ailment.

[Chris Franjola]

I'm with you on that.

[Heather McDonald]

That you have that you got like. Well, I'll tell you, I had a pulled ligament.

[Chris Franjola]

The surgery. You just got surgery to my discomfort.

[Heather McDonald]

And I don't know what the third one was.

[Chris Franjola]

The third. I forgot what it was now.

[Heather McDonald]

But yeah, it's the. It's definitely those two.

[Chris Franjola]

Some sports or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Barbie Mattel has added an autistic Barbie to the doll line. She has to wear earphones, headphones. She has a. I guess it's a spinner that sometimes a fidget spinner. And she's very cute. Now, like, one of the articles that was written was like, the doll avoids eye contact. That was in the. And I thought that was kind of a mean thing to say.

[Chris Franjola]

But how could.

[Heather McDonald]

How could I know. I think it was like. I think it was a snarky headline. I think all this stuff is good. I mean, this one woman wrote as a 53 year old mom who loved Barbies. I have an autistic daughter and I'm excited, like for her to see this and be like, oh, I had that. Especially if your daughter has that fidget thing.

[Chris Franjola]

Right. But, you know, can't you just take the regular Barbie and tell your daughter this Barbie is autistic because it looks.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God, you're right.

[Chris Franjola]

There's no look. The look is not different. There is a Barbie.

[Heather McDonald]

Is there a Down syndrome Barbie?

[Chris Franjola]

There is.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, that's good.

[Chris Franjola]

And that looks a little different. And then of course there's. We have it. I think I bought it by accident. I didn't know it was. Because in the package it didn't look like it was. But it has vitiligo, like a skin.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah. Based on the model. Yeah, model.

[Chris Franjola]

So I. But my daughter has a Vitiligo Barbie.

[Heather McDonald]

She wanted it.

[Chris Franjola]

No, she didn't want it. I got it for her accidentally. I thought it was regular Barbie, but it's vitiligo.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Chris Franjola]

So we have fun with it. Of course. This is like going back to what you said.

[Heather McDonald]

American.

[Chris Franjola]

I can't talk about that. The things I say on the pod.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, like my American Girl dolls. McKinsey, who is my daughter, who is half Asian. She my stepdaughter, technically. And she was buried into the American girl stuff and I loved it. And the American girl stuff, they all have like a backstory. So there's like one that grew up in the prairie. And it's good because it's like historical stuff. Like a little book comes with it.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And she wanted Addie, who was a slave.

[Chris Franjola]

A slave.

[Heather McDonald]

She was.

[Chris Franjola]

But like, okay, yeah, she was a.

[Heather McDonald]

Little black girl that was a slave. Oh, no, she was a real slave.

[Chris Franjola]

It wasn't like a sex trafficked.

[Heather McDonald]

No, she was a slave in like the 1800s.

[Chris Franjola]

Got it.

[Heather McDonald]

And you know, like she came with like a sadder bed, everything.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I was like, but why don't you want this cute Asian doll who was one that she lived in San Francisco. Oh. It was from the 70s and her parents were divorced.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And I was like, this is like.

[Chris Franjola]

Wait, that was her backstory.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Divorced parents from San Francisco in the 70s.

[Heather McDonald]

She was Asian.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But McKinsey's like, no, I want to own this one. And I was like, let's not say own. Like, I just.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know.

[Chris Franjola]

Comes with a lot of. Okay. Yeah. How are they doing? American girl, still a thing. My daughter has no interest yet. At least I don't know if that's.

[Heather McDonald]

It's very expensive, so be happy that not. Yeah, but it is cute when you go to the Grove. There's a hospital there. They'll like, if your dog gets hurt you. She can get her hair done. She can sit at the table and eat with you. And I mean, that's a lot better than the story I did last week, which is about, you know, women that just buy these expensive, real lifelike dolls that are like heavy and stuff and they act like their moms.

[Chris Franjola]

Table for three. I have a slave with me and an Asian girl from the 70s. Table for three, everyone.

[Heather McDonald]

So you put them. They have their little, like. You know how you'd put like a child's right. Seat on a table? They have it for the dogs. Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And yeah. But then all of a sudden, one day she's like, no, I don't want this anymore. Like, she'd give me. And then I was like, okay, now what do I do with the doll, the dress? And then, you know, my sister's daughter wasn't as into it, but we still gave it to her for a while.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay. Yeah. You know, I mean, eventually you just throw all this out, right? I mean, that's kind of.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I mean, you should give them away. Same with the Thomas the Train and all that stuff, right? Yeah, then. But yeah, it's cute. Okay, now I went down this tick tock route of Dax Shepard, also Golden Globe nominee for his podcast. Yeah, yeah. Armchair Expert. And you know, he's been doing a long time. He's very popular podcast. He has a female co host, but he also has Kristen Bell on it a lot. I've never been a guest, never been asked to. I don't know that I've even tried to. So I'm not like out to rip on him. I have never really listened to much of it, just that I knew it was super popular. But he had Cher on. Who? My God, talk about someone that looks great. Her voice has never changed. And as someone who uses my voice, I hope that my voice doesn't turn into old lady voice.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, she doesn't really have old lady voice.

[Heather McDonald]

She doesn't. And she's like 81 or something.

[Chris Franjola]

And there was some controversy that when she was on Santa Live a few weeks ago, she was being auto tuned or lip syncing.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, she did it.

[Chris Franjola]

She said that's what they. There was one thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, singing on stage is one thing that you are going to lose your energy. I mean, I do care. I do one song of karaoke and I'm out of breath. So, like singing is a whole nother thing than just talking. But I'm seeing her voice still. She just sounds exactly like she always has. Like, sure, you know, and so she's sitting there and she's with Kristen and they're asking questions and the clips have gone viral and people are like, have gone. I ended up on a tick Tock route of a lot of people. And this has been a while thinking that, you know, when you do podcasting with your spouse, it is. You really are stepping into the marriage. You are seeing what is going on. And now we can sit back and the same thing happens with reality shows. And now other people can analyze someone else's marriage. And a marriage is always different, you know, like, so they think that he is a little scary, that, you know, she was placating him because he asked Cher, who would you rather see Kristen with than me? And Cher's like, what? Why are you asking me this? And people are like, why? You know, and. And Kristen's like, oh, he's, you know, he's just being self deprecating. And, and so then people. Then it would switch to like someone analyzing it, like on tick tock going, I've lived with men like this. He's going to punish her for this. He's setting it up, his insecurity, blah, blah, blah. But then the other part of me is like, you know what? They have their own weird thing going and they've been married 18 years and they seem to be doing fine.

[Chris Franjola]

I feel I'm gonna go with that one.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

I've met Dax Shepard a couple times and he seems like a pretty nice guy. I could be wrong, but I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

I just think when you expose yourself for that many hours and you're. And your career is podcasting or a reality show, whatever, where you really are just being yourself.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Anybody can pick apart something you're saying and say, oh, yeah, she hates her husband.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, she hates being a mom. She just said she was happy when the mom time was over with, you know, like anyone could.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's like, well, what are we gonna.

[Chris Franjola]

I saw a clip where she chef said something along the lines of I don't get what she sees in you or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Chris Franjola]

Is that where it started?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. So.

[Heather McDonald]

And I also just think that's funny. Shares being funny share is being hilarious.

[Chris Franjola]

Like, her thing has always been she's kind of like tells it like it is kind of on shows.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

She called let him in an years ago on. On the show.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, she really is a queen. And whatever plastic surgery she's had over the years, she still looks great.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then, you know, she's supposedly gonna marry or she's been with for a long time. Amber Rose's ex with a guy who's 38.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I've said this. If I was Amber Rose, I would be thrilled that my. The father of my younger kid was with Cher. She's smart, she's brilliant, she's raised kids.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

She has a ton of money. I mean, wouldn't you rather have your guy be with Cher than like some only fans hoe that's gonna be like not watching your kid while she films herself, shake her ass like it's a perfect person.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. I agree. So I'm a big fan.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

So what are they saying about Dax Shepard? That he's evil.

[Heather McDonald]

They think that he's narcissistic. They think that, you know, all these things that they've analyzed. Like there was a time where she was really into Dax and he was dating someone else and he didn't want her. And then he broke up with that person, whoever it was, who was another star. So then they've joked that he, like, settled for her. And then there's a video where he is talking where he's like, you know, it's not great being with someone like Kristen who, you know, has to stop the car to get a dog that's not on a leash and.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And invite a bunch of people over. So he's like complimenting her.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

I see that as him being funny.

[Chris Franjola]

It is funny.

[Heather McDonald]

It's funny.

[Chris Franjola]

But he's like.

[Heather McDonald]

He's like, my wife is a better human than me.

[Chris Franjola]

There's a bunch of. There's a full. A whole world of humorless bores out there. Nothing better to do but come. You know, they don't get the joke. And if you don't get the joke, that's on you.

[Heather McDonald]

And he said the first episode he ever did was he made her do it, you know, and they. They bitched the whole time because they Were like, for arguing. And they've been together 18 years, and she didn't want to do it. And she's like, what is the size? And so then they were. He. They were both like, well, maybe we shouldn't put this out. But he decided to. And that is what skyrocketed the podcast. Because they're like, oh, my God, we got to see this real side. Because everybody.

[Chris Franjola]

Absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it's very rare. I would. And there's a handful of people that are like, my parents had the most loving, fabulous relationship. And then they're mad at them because they're like, well, you gave me unrealistic expectations, and that's why I'm single. Like, you can't win. But it's very rare that nobody. That everybody's just super lovely to each other every second.

[Chris Franjola]

I remember. I don't know if you do that. He hosted one time, Chelsea, lately, when she wasn't there, Chelsea was not there. Remember, he was one of our guest hosts.

[Heather McDonald]

I do.

[Chris Franjola]

And we always had this issue anytime we had a guest host. We had quite a few of them over the years, and Dax being one of them. And we always, as writers that we'd have to pitch to them. And we would pitch like, Chelsea are what we would do for 1,000 shows. And they weren't. They didn't know, but it was just.

[Heather McDonald]

It was just bullying and cruelty.

[Chris Franjola]

He had. Yeah, exactly. But they didn't know that. And I think his movie chips had bombed or something. And we, like, all had, like, 15 chips sucked jokes. And he was just like, what? And we're like, that a dumb movie? You did chips? Like, let's talk about that. And he. I remember, he's like, well, a lot of people worked very hard on that movie, and I think that would be disrespectful to them. We're like, oh, it's going to be a long day. You know, he's one of those guys. So that was.

[Heather McDonald]

But that. But, yeah, he was still great. And he's right. You know, sometimes, even now, more and more, even in this job, which we rip on people and stuff, I do take an extra couple seconds. So I have evolved as manifest mama. I do take a couple moments before I comment or think to say, well, now, wait a minute. Like, if someone sees us or whatever, right? What. Why comment on that under this point post about someone's outfit or whatever. Like, I covered the outfits of the Golden Globes, and I still think I said. I listened back. And I'm like, okay, I wasn't mean, I was being interest. You know, you could still be interesting. I'm like, I still think she's a great actress, but I'm like, this hair was not right. You know, whatever.

[Chris Franjola]

And I think we've both evolved. I mean, let's face it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Like, we've realized we could have done.

[Chris Franjola]

25 minutes on autistic Barbie, but we did. You know what I mean? We've evolved.

[Heather McDonald]

Amazing. What do you think of this whole nickel? Nicola Peltz, who is married to Brooklyn Beckham, their oldest son is married to a beautiful girl. I think she comes from a prominent family.

[Chris Franjola]

She does.

[Heather McDonald]

Nicola, a Russian oligarch, and they had a, you know, big, lovely wedding and everything, but it's been like a year and a half that he has, like, not been part of the family. And she has scraped every photo of the Beckman. Beckham. Beckham, sorry. Of the Beckham family from the Instagram.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, yeah. I keep hearing different things that they were invited and they're not invited.

[Heather McDonald]

They didn't go to his 50th birthday. They didn't spend the holidays together. The other thing I just heard was he's like, look, maybe we can get back together. But I don't like it discussed on social media about me. I don't like you tagging me in things. If we're going to do this, we're going to do it separate.

[Chris Franjola]

Who says that?

[Heather McDonald]

That's what allegedly, he's saying to his friends. What it is, like, why they're not connecting back with the family.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I just think this is just so sad. And, yeah, I have lived this with siblings and stuff like that, so sometimes it just isn't repairable. But in this new way of, like, you know, oh, my God, my mental health. And I need to, like, cut off people just as a parent with, like, kids getting older and.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

It's just very scary that you would think that the. The classic, like, oh, my God, ever since he married. She married that man, or he married that woman. Now that we don't have access to our child anymore.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I don't know, like, what do you do?

[Chris Franjola]

It is. I mean, you know, getting. Getting like, in laws involved in. In things is. It's tough in laws.

[Heather McDonald]

If anybody decides to marry my kids.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I will be kissing that ass of the in laws.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, really?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I will love whoever that person is. I will be completely accommodating. I mean, because I don't want it to be ever to get to this where the person is like, no, Your mom always makes it. Every Christmas we have to go to your mom. Like, I just don't ever want that. Because then you can't get past it.

[Chris Franjola]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

So it's like, this year, McKenzie has a boyfriend and she. It was Christmas Eve, and God protected me because I went and made a reservation for 6pm and they said it was full. So I said, oh, I guess we'll do it at three. And then she's like, oh, that's great. Because we're supposed to go to her boyfriend's family's house in Brentwood for dinner. I'm like, perfect.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because they were at our house, like, for Thanksgiving. So I felt his mom for. Gave up Thanksgiving. And she's probably the same way. She only has one kid, so she's probably like, I don't want to ever. In case they get married. Like, I don't want to ever, like, be the. The mom that, like, took over whatever. So I think you just have to be so.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And if it's, like, your way, if it's, you know, the wedding day, I will go to the bride and be like, what color do you want me to wear? I want you to approve my dress. Bride. Yes. I don't want to be overstepping the bride. And then when you give birth, I am never going to insist to be in that room.

[Chris Franjola]

Does that happen?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. There's mothers of sons that are like, it's. I want to be there and not unless. And even if she asks you, you might want to be like, I think it's really sweet that you asked me, but you know what? I want that to be your time with your husband, or your time with just your husband and just your mom or whatever as the mother. Just like, God, don't fuck this up. You've spent this whole time raising this kid, and now you're not going to have, like, the next chapter because you demanded. You wanted it your way, or you got your feelings hurt, or is there another kid, too?

[Chris Franjola]

Don't they have another.

[Heather McDonald]

No, they have. So they have three boys and a daughter.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so that's also sad, right? Like, that he's not part of the.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then when there's that much money, it's not like anybody has to work.

[Chris Franjola]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not like anyone has to have a passion or anything.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So you just need to show up at, like, Chateaus for weeks at a time and hang out.

[Chris Franjola]

Sounds lovely. Oh, my God. It's not a life I ever led. I mean, I. I tell my daughter this sometimes. Like, we're doing fine. And I don't think she knows, you.

[Heather McDonald]

Know, they never know.

[Chris Franjola]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

And I don't know. Especially if they have their own plane, they don't know. It's just like getting in a car. It's just like a dog.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Dog doesn't know that it's going on a plane.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

A dog just thinks it's going in a different kind of car.

[Chris Franjola]

Right. Doesn't know.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah. So it's like a kid is like, oh, isn't this how everyone travels with five bodyguards and you don't have to wait in an airport? Like, why would they know?

[Chris Franjola]

They need to know.

[Heather McDonald]

Just like there's somebody that maybe has never been on a plane and they're in buses.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And, you know, like, I don't. Oh, you're right. There's people that can only travel by bus.

[Chris Franjola]

Like, whatever my daughter said to us the other day, she goes, I don't know which sand I like the most. Hawaii, the Hamptons, or Malibu? I said, you little. You know what sand I was in? Sandbox. Dirt. It was dirt. Yeah, but whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

What did she decide, though? I need to know.

[Chris Franjola]

Seems to like Montu.

[Heather McDonald]

The Hamptons the best because it's softer and it's whiter.

[Chris Franjola]

Whiter. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not as granular.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, exactly. It's much softer.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I'll definitely take that. That East Coast.

[Chris Franjola]

I agreed with her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. I'm glad I was able to show her different sands throughout life. What a guy.

[Heather McDonald]

So true.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Madonna is just signed a $10 million deal with Netflix for a seven episode miniseries that will chronicle her artistic and personal journey. Okay, but who's doing. Isn't there a scripted show that. That. That girl is playing that was supposed.

[Chris Franjola]

To be a movie.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

That was written by. There was a whole lot of ripples and people were like, oh, wow, Diablo Cody was involved. She was gonna. She wrote it.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Chris Franjola]

And that went away. And then there was the girl from. Yeah, the blonde girl who.

[Heather McDonald]

The girl who played the. Anna Delvey.

[Chris Franjola]

Yes, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

She. Then she was gonna play her. Well, I thought that was a good.

[Chris Franjola]

I think that one went away and.

[Heather McDonald]

Then Madonna, because I heard it was like she was too involved in the script.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And you know, like, you know, of course, if that's. If you're Madonna, you're gonna make yourself look great in every single moment, every breakup, every scene, every, you know, whatever. And maybe. So there was creative difference.

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, I've. I read this story about her potentially having a Netflix show, which I don't know if it's true or not, but I think the $10 million is kind.

[Heather McDonald]

Of low for a seven episode mini.

[Chris Franjola]

Like, I agree these numbers thrown around at Netflix, it's like this guy got $70 million for a Netflix special. Comedians and stuff like that. Like, I saw 10 million for. For Madonna. That's got to be a misprint or something, right? To get Madonna to do a TV show?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I will watch it. I have been fascinated by Madonna my entire life. I always said, she's the one person I want. I imagine I. If someone said, who's your dream guest? Which people have asked, it's Madonna. Like, I. That is my bucket list. If someone knows Madonna, if there's any way I could interview her. I used to, anytime she was, you know, she was. It was so special when you'd see her like on Oprah because she'd only come on like once every three years. She didn't do a lot of interviews. And I just like loved her music and everything. And now I just. Yeah, I have so many questions about her kids. I follow her son Rocco. He's a very established painter.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, his painter. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And he, he's kind of funny and he, he shows her a lot. Like he films her.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And the other day he had some showing of his art and he had both the parents there, which is really lovely because there was a time, Guy Richie's of Guy Richie, the director. There was a time where like, there was some controversy where he didn't want to live with her. He didn't want to be with the dancers on tour.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And he was living with the dad. And it's lovely to see that. Even if that did exist and it was difficult, now he's an adult. He appreciates both of them.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, you go through those stages of things.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, well, I.

[Heather McDonald]

And then she has the twin daughters, or maybe they're not twins, but she has two daughters she adopted. Then she is. And the boy.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then she's got the young boyfriend.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

The new face a bit.

[Chris Franjola]

I saw it. It's toned down a little bit.

[Heather McDonald]

It toned down. And she looks amazing.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

But she still every now and again has the, like the gold teeth and stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, I want to show you this before we go because. All right. Here's a photo of a cover photo of Westlake Malibu Lifestyle magazine.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay, Sure.

[Heather McDonald]

I covered up the name. Who it is.

[Chris Franjola]

I know who it is because I saw it already.

[Heather McDonald]

However, I. Darn it.

[Chris Franjola]

No, I thought it was Trish Paytas.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Franjola]

Do you know who that is?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, Trisha Paytas. Which would totally make sense because Trisha Paytas lives out here.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, that. That's why I clicked on it, because I thought it was her.

[Heather McDonald]

It is not.

[Chris Franjola]

I know. I was shocked.

[Heather McDonald]

It's Candy Spelling.

[Chris Franjola]

But it looks like a. Kind of a black person, but with a white.

[Heather McDonald]

This one?

[Chris Franjola]

Yes. It looks like something.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what? She could look like Giselle. Giselle. She could look like a. What is Giselle? Yeah, Giselle on Real House as Potomac. Yeah, she. This is crazy. So I'd immediately had to go to the thing. And it's not Candy's fault. And Candy is 80. I met her in person. She looks great, but she's 80. Doesn't look as good as share.

[Chris Franjola]

You would never know. That's Candy Spelling.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it doesn't even look like. No, I mean, it's one thing to touch up a little, but I mean, look at this.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, come on. It's embarrassing if somebody. I mean, there's been times where somebody has done that to me and I'm like, no, please, dear God.

[Chris Franjola]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

Like, you can't. You cannot. Like, sometimes when I have friends, like, do the judging because I don't do the shushing. And then I'm like, all my. All of a sudden my teeth look. Literally, what the difference is, is they make my lips and my teeth look fuller. The lips and the teeth whiter. And. But I'm like, whatever. If you like it, I like it. But I purposely don't do that so that when people meet me in person, they're like, oh, my God, you're prettier in person. Instead of like, what's that monster coming outside?

[Chris Franjola]

You probably haven't dealt with it yet, but I know you're gonna go back out on the road and you're gonna see it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

Comedy clubs now are doing a weird thing where they're using AI pictures.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. We just had that for the meet and greet in Vegas.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

They just asked. Give me an AI. Give me a photo of Heather McDonald. And it's like a completely different person wearing the red dress.

[Chris Franjola]

I am going to be in Seattle on Thursday night. And Portland, well, you. This would already happen, but Thursday night I'll be in Seattle. Emerald City Comedy Club, Seattle. Come see me. You should have seen the AI picture they. Because they take. It's like when you get that caricatures out of yourself at an amusement park. They take, you know, everything. You've been sensitive about your Entire life and enhance it. And that's what they did. It's just like, oh, well, like, what is that freakish picture of me?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Chris Franjola]

They used on the, on the poster.

[Heather McDonald]

No, like this is what I look like in the photo. Like, I'm just going to do like a different face. I was like this, like.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, I mean, it's like a.

[Heather McDonald]

It is like, it's like a little off.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, it's a little off. And in the case of mine, it was whale.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I think it is way off. I. I will also find that. I think we have it somewhere.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And we will show it. But I mean, the neck, I mean, and, and the hair is very youthful to begin with.

[Chris Franjola]

Of course. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's like she's got like a wig on. And I mean, it's just. Come on already. They're casting. I came across this from executive producers. The secret lives of Mormon wives and the McD McDonald McBee dynasty. Bold, unapologetic, fun, confident women. Now casting. They're looking for you from across the US who have roots in and around or an affinity for the Church of Latter Day Saints or other religious communities. Oh, so now there's going to be like Mormon Wives of San Diego. Mormon Wives and they. The like. So are you strong, vibrant, outspoken, and ready to potentially share your life, your voice, and your story on a possible reality series? Are you newly converted or have a recently left the church? Oh, so they want controversy with the church. Do you have a friend group with a big personalities and even bigger stories? You might be perfect for tv. That the way they wrote that would make a young person go, you're right, I might be perfect for tv.

[Chris Franjola]

I can't believe they're still doing Cat. Like, I feel like it's. It's going away. Am I crazy? What reality shows like that just like cable TV reality.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think what it is, is younger people, they're so used to having their whole life out there.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

That going the next step and basically just having someone else edit their life because they've showed it so much. And then that leads to just more opportunities in the job that they're trying to do, which is influencer. It makes perfect sense.

[Chris Franjola]

Got it. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Even though it'll like ruin their life. They're like, I don't care. I wasn't planning on staying married to this person the whole time anyway.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So who cares? Yeah, so that's happening. Well, Chris, tell everybody where they can find you. Come over, check out couple weeks, next couple weeks.

[Chris Franjola]

Couple of weeks.

[Heather McDonald]

So this weekend.

[Chris Franjola]

This weekend, I. Well, I'm a Thursday night. I'll be at the Emerald City Comedy Club in Seattle.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

Then I'm coming to Rhode island place I haven't been in a long time. I'm very excited to come back to the Comedy Connection in. In Rhode Island. Comedy Connection, 22nd of January.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

And then the 23rd and 24th of January, I'm at Roar Comedy Club in Springfield, Massachusetts, in the MGM Casino. And then on Valentine's weekend, it's always a big comedy club weekend. Spokane, Washington, spokane comedy club. The 12th, 13th and 14th of February. Bring your lover on to Spokane or.

[Heather McDonald]

Your polyamorous family or.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah, I love the Spokane comedy.

[Heather McDonald]

But wait, where are you. When is Portland? You didn't say Portland.

[Chris Franjola]

It's Wednesday. So you're not gonna. It'll be over already.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, all right. Well, hopefully you went.

[Chris Franjola]

You know what I mean? Like, that's why I put it right.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why you came here.

[Chris Franjola]

That's why I put it on the Facebook page.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris, Cover to Cover is my podcast.

[Chris Franjola]

Cover to Cover. People love it. Come on over and check it out.

[Heather McDonald]

Drake. Drake and Peter love it.

[Chris Franjola]

Do they really listen to it?

[Heather McDonald]

No, they really do.

[Chris Franjola]

To spy on what I say?

[Heather McDonald]

No, like, the regular stuff.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay. Because I never.

[Heather McDonald]

Because it's like, it's a dude. It's like, it's. It's. You know, it's different stuff than this.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But some of it is. Is the same, and you get Chris's perspective on. On pop culture and stuff, but you also have a different take on things.

[Chris Franjola]

I mean, you go deep on stories. Stories. I, you know, like, looking for them. Sometimes I'm like, I. I got nothing. And then I just talk about, you know, my daily life and. Yeah, I seem to enjoy that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it's always funny, but, yeah, it's good.

[Chris Franjola]

I love doing it. Thank God.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. And. And Patreon, too.

[Chris Franjola]

And Patreon.

[Heather McDonald]

Chris is like me. He never flakes. He never blows it off.

[Chris Franjola]

No, constantly. I'm doing it.

[Heather McDonald]

Cons. We wish. We wish we could.

[Chris Franjola]

How many episodes are you doing now? Like, you do a ton of.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. I do Tuesday and Thursday's Juicy Scoop, Wednesday's Juicy Crimes.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Friday's Patreon, and then usually an extra drop over the weekend for the top tiers of Patreon. So essentially five.

[Chris Franjola]

And then you stay in this community for the most part. Always out on a boat. Always on a golf cart, trying.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I do. If I don't have to leave I don't want to.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, I meant to bring up something to you.

[Heather McDonald]

What?

[Chris Franjola]

Please. And this is going to be controversial. I hope you're ready for it.

[Heather McDonald]

I am.

[Chris Franjola]

I. You went to a Spotify Golden Globes party?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Franjola]

I was not invited.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. I want to.

[Chris Franjola]

I'm not. I'm not mad because I probably wouldn't have went anyway.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

However, I think you invited the most popular people on your podcast.

[Heather McDonald]

Brie.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah. Well, no, me, but I wasn't invited.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. I want to tell you what happened.

[Chris Franjola]

Uhhuh.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Chris Franjola]

By the way, how was that party, first of all? Was it like a real. Was it the people who were nominated for podcast at the Golden Globes?

[Heather McDonald]

I got invited because somebody that works at that party is a fan of Juicy Scoop.

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

That's the only reason.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

There were very few podcasters there.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh. So it wasn't like, the smartest guys were there.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, Amy was there, Amy Poehler was there, and Mel Robbins. So I think they all probably got invites, but they didn't all go.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And it wasn't like, let's invite great podcasters. It's literally some girl who put it together is a fan. Because I get there, and I'm waiting for Brandy and Julie to come, and my agent's there. She didn't invite me. She didn't think to invite me.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then the. The guy who works at my network was there. What are you doing here, Heather? He didn't. No, they didn't invite me. They did not invite me.

[Chris Franjola]

It's amazing.

[Heather McDonald]

The only reason I got invited is because somebody that worked at that party and then I said, can I please. Can I please take Brandy and Julie? Because they do like to go to those parties.

[Chris Franjola]

No, I know. I got.

[Heather McDonald]

But I'm just saying they do. And otherwise I would have. I probably would have just taken Drake. And Drake, you know, they. He doesn't care to go, but I would have maybe had him take some photos. Thank God they came. And then. And then Zack, Peter, somehow probably the. Some fan of his probably got invited because really, there were very few people in the podcast world that. That were, like, actual podcasters that were invited. It was mostly all ad execs, really, and, like, network execs that put Spotify together. It was like they. It was their party.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Basically, to, like.

[Chris Franjola]

How was the party any good?

[Heather McDonald]

It was very good.

[Chris Franjola]

Really?

[Heather McDonald]

It was very good because there was live performances by Chaka Khan. Amazing. And it wasn't crowded. John Legend, Tons of food, tons of bars. It was a really good one. Like, I thank God I got invite. But originally, when I got it, I'd been invited to a Spotify party around Christmas time the last two years.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I went the previous year, and it wasn't. It was too young and it was like, outside, like a carnival, and it was cold.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I chose not to go this Christmas.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And so when this got invited, I did have. I had my guide, Derek, who helps with the pr. I said, can you just investigate this?

[Chris Franjola]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it cocktail? Am I. Should I wear boots and a coat? Am I going to be freezing?

[Chris Franjola]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Is it worth going? Like, you never know. And then you go and you're like, oh, my God, this was so nice. I'm so glad I didn't blow it up. Sometimes you go to something and it sucks. And sometimes you go to something expecting nothing, and it's nice. That's holly.

[Chris Franjola]

Well, I want you to know I'm kidding. And I don't want you to invite me to think things because I don't want to go anywhere. That was just. I was just joking.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. Because.

[Chris Franjola]

Because don't invite me now.

[Heather McDonald]

I am going to.

[Chris Franjola]

No, that's what I. Now I fear you're going to invite me and I'm going to feel obligated and I don't want to. So. Yeah, let's not.

[Heather McDonald]

Or what if they. Since you do like music. If there. If I ever get invited, something else, I will just throw it out there. Here's what I will let you decide.

[Chris Franjola]

We had a good time at Duran Duran a couple of years ago.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Chris Franjola]

If you decide to go to Jennifer Lopez in Vegas, I'll come.

[Heather McDonald]

Done.

[Chris Franjola]

Done. That'll be a date night for us. A night in Las Vegas with JLo. Okay, I'll do that.

[Heather McDonald]

All right, well, let's. We're making. We can make it happen.

[Chris Franjola]

Okay. Oh, but if you want Brandy and Julie, I understand. Listen, no, that's fine.

[Heather McDonald]

Listen, they are going to be in Minneapolis for a month.

[Chris Franjola]

Oh, good.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think that's the month when she's performing. We're gonna make it happen. We're gonna get on the jet suites or something.

[Chris Franjola]

Or in my drive out to Vegas, the two of us. Oh, my God. Don't you dare.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I think we should keep it simple. I think we should get our own way there.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I think we should meet, have a cute dinner.

[Chris Franjola]

See you there.

[Heather McDonald]

See you there. All right.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then people are gonna start the rumors. Don't worry. He doesn't want anything to do with me. He's like, I'll never forget that one time we were about to get on a plane together during the Chelsea lately days, right? And I go, oh my God, we're talking, chatting. And then I go, wait, where's your seat? And it was like, you know, whatever, 17A. I'm like, I'm 17B. And Chris had an iPad. He shuts the iPad. He goes, well, I guess I won't be needing this because I was just gonna talk the whole time.

[Chris Franjola]

And then we shattered. We shared a can of Pringles. We got a can of. They gave us free Pringles because they recognize us from Chelsea. Laylee. So if you people don't think show business pays off, you're wrong. We got free Pringles on that flight.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God, the best.

[Chris Franjola]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you so much. And everybody, you go to heathermcdonald.net for me for Franjola.

[Chris Franjola]

Fun has all my dates coming up and more. And.

[Heather McDonald]

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