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Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
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Listen in.
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Listen up. Hannah McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I've got a juicy one. I've got our favorite Zach Peter here with all the no filter scoop and opinions. He does not give a shit. And we're excited cause you two are going to to BravoCon this weekend and you're coming to my show Friday night, which is the biggest part of the weekend obviously.
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I feel like last time I saw you I was like, no, I'm not going to Vegas. I'm not going to Bravo Con. And then in the last like two weeks I'm like, all right, I guess I'm going to Vegas.
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Yeah, I mean it'll, I wanted to.
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Come and support you.
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It'll be fun. I'm excited. Cause, like, you're coming to the show. Jacques, Chef Stu, of course Brandi and Julie are gonna be on stage. So it's like we have our little fun crew, and then it is. It is really fun. And of course, we love all the people that listen and get into this dumb shit like we do. I, of course, have my show. And I want to remind you guys, you can now buy the digital streamer. You'll have seven days to watch it. So you can watch it at 10pm on Friday, November 14, or you can watch it the next day or watch it again or whatever, but it's going to be very, very funny and lots of juicy stuff. I did have an incident yesterday that happened to me that I hope does not impact my weekend.
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What happened? I was playing pickleball, as one does.
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These days, and I have never been athletic, but I have improved at pickleball. And I was actually playing, like, the best I'd ever played. And I was playing against these two women. And my son is 6 5, and he's very good because all men are good at pickleball. But also the taller. Whatever. It's just not that hard. And so they just kept hitting all the balls at me, and I was actually doing really well. And I was hitting, like, the high ones that I would normally let Drake get. I was getting. And it was the final point, and I just went a little too far and I rolled my foot, then fell on my elbow, then hit the back of my head. Thank God there was a female doctor there to check my eyes. Then there were two nice Canadians that got me ice.
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Okay?
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And everyone really seemed to care a lot. And. But so I'm wearing my Reebok Real Housewives of Beverly Hills shoes because the pain is here.
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Okay?
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It isn't that bad.
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Are you wearing those on stage?
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I want to wear my cute heels by Friday. So we're recording this Wednesday at 11. So I think I'll be able to do heels probably the rest of the time. I'll be sporting these. But I can walk. I mean, I can walk.
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I would have loved for you to pull like, a Sutton Strack and get the little stroller with your little leg and then the boot or Ramona, where you're just in the wheelchair.
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I told Drake we haven't just have.
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Drake push you around Vegas.
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I said, listen, we do have a call today with all the MGM ground people where the show is, and I am gonna ask about the access to a wheelchair, because anyway, even if you're not crippled, you feel crippled after three days of BravoCon. So I'm like, we're gonna do it, but it's gonna be super fun. And you just go to heathermcdonald.net, and you'll go to the tour and you'll see one. I think there's a handful of tickets left and a lot of single tickets if you wanted. You know, you won't be alone if you're in the audience of Juicy Scoopers. And. But then, right there is the digital, too. Okay, let's get into some hot topics. Okay, so we talked about the Kris Jenner epic party. And then the news came out that Kim and Kris quietly deleted photos of Meghan Markle and Prince from the 70th birthday bash. So they removed it from the carousel. Which, by the way, as an Instagram person who does carousel, I didn't know that you could go back and edit and take one out.
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I didn't either. And then when I learned that, I mean, I guess if you do go in because you have the option to edit the photos after you post them, but I guess you can. You have the option to delete one of the photos in the carousel.
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I never knew that. Cause sometimes I would do that. And you know how sometimes you do it and you did, like, three in.
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A row, and it looks like, whatever. The prop looks all off or something. I would love to go back.
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And I just, like, left it because I was like, yeah. So of course, the thought was, oh, my God, they deleted them because they're embarrassed that they're such unpopular people now. Meghan and Harry, that they didn't want them to. But then there's been talk that Harry wore this little, like, red poppy thing. You can see it in his. Which is something that. I don't know if royals are supposed to do it. It's like a thing of remembrance, and you're supposed to wear it for the entire month of November. And she was just wearing, like, a black turtleneck, like, a sleek black dress, and she didn't have it. So the question is, did she or her people then call Chris and Kim and say, can you delete those pictures before people realize I'm not wearing this, like, this poppy thing? Which, by the way, I want to say if that's the case, then you're actually never being invited back, because that is so fucking annoying. If they did a whole post and then got a call that they or their people now have to remove you. Now you're annoying.
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Well, now you're removed from the list for all Future events. But no. So but they had just come from the baby to baby gala and they were posing for photos at the baby. Like they came. Megan and Harry, they were at the baby to baby gala to support their best friend Serena Williams, who met them for the first time that night.
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Yeah.
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And they. So they were there. And because they have the same clothes on, same outfits, posing for photos there. So everyone. All the theories about how like they wanted Kris and Kim to take down the photos one, I think that would be stupid because all that does is piss off the Kardashians to make. Go in and edit.
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Have to go do another thing. That is so annoying.
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Yeah. So I don't know. I feel like it maybe was deliberate. My theory was like, maybe they weren't invited to the party. Maybe they had like a publicist or a friend that's like, I'll get you in. And so they ended up crashing the party after the baby to baby gala. And then Chris and Kim were like, oh, they're here. And then when they found out that they crashed the party, maybe then they deleted them because they didn't want anything to do with them. I don't know.
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In my day of going to the Christmas parties.
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Yeah. Did they ever delete you from the.
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No, but there was. Oh, there was one time I got invited to a girl's dinner, birthday dinner for Chris. And somebody gave her like a Christmas, you know, her birthday, obviously November. So somebody gave her something that was like holiday or whatever. And she was like. And we were all taking these photos. She knew we were all taking photos, only like 12 of us. And I posted it. And then at like 5:30 in the morning, I wake up and she's like, oh, God, please remove that photo. I don't like it. Or something. I mean, if I tell you the heart in the throat, a trickle of pee in my bed, like, I was terrified. Now if anybody is like a bigger star than me, even if you're not, I'm always like, heart it. Heart the photo that I can post. Either. Take it and give yourself bigger teeth. Do me. I don't care. Cause I don't filter the. I don't do the filters on the photos. But if somebody, like sometimes I have someone come on the show and they're really good at it and I go, you take it, then send me the one you want. And then everyone's like, oh my God, you look so gorgeous. I'm like, yeah. Cause that's fucking filter. And I don't do that. But I don't do that just because I'm not good at it. Like, I think it's a talent. And anyway, so I was like, I just. And then another time when I went to the Christmas parties, there was friends of ours that enjoyed getting a little too wasted. And one of. I won't just because I don't want to figure out. There was a couple and one of them, like, left their phone like. Like, we're at the house on Christmas Eve. So then Christmas Day, it was just a big rat fuck of like, while they're trying to open presents and they're recovering from their, you know, hundred thousand dollar party that they invited you to that you walked away with a black and white kettle. Now it's like, okay, well, are you coming into the gate? Is someone bringing the phone to you? Like, it was just. And I was like, oh, those people are gonna get off the list. And they were. I got to stay a couple more years. But I mean, there's little things like that that I'm like, the year that my sons were like, wrestling in the fake snow near the real deer, I was like, I knew our days were numbered. Like, I just. It's just so. I don't know. So what do you think happened? Was it the poppy thing or was it the.
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No, I think they were party crashers. And I think the Kardashians are like, we don't like that energy.
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So. What do you mean? Because they.
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I think someone's. I think they got. I think Megan pushed her way into the party. Was not originally on the invite list because, like, Megan wasn't even invited to. This was Jeff Bezos's party for Kris Jenner. Him and Lauren Sanchez hosted this for Chris for her 70th birthday. Right, right, right. But they also, like, they don't even like Meghan Markle is my point. They didn't even invite her to the. The wedding that all the. The celebs were invited to. And the Kardashians were at the wedding, the Bezos wedding. So, like, I'm trying to figure out how. Like, I don't think the Bezos would have invited her, and I don't think the Kardashians would have invited her.
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So do you think she knew about it? Because we did know. We knew a couple days before that. It was at the Baso mansion. You think she just was like, before we head home to Montecito, let's just do a little loop de loop. And once we show up, no one's going to say, you can't come in.
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No one's going to say, you can't come in. And she probably knew, like, a publicist or somebody that was at the party that could help finagle her way in.
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So then who removed it, do you think? Kris and Kim removed it? Cause they realized she was never invited and that pissed them off.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's a good theory.
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Cause if you think about you're posing with photos for them, and then you're like, oh, like, you know, and then you find out that they weren't even invited to the party and somehow they snuck their way in, like, that's an immediate cross off the list.
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I've talked about how I know some, like, info from some of the, like, rich millennial people that they've tried to be friends with.
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Yeah.
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And they do stuff like that. They're like, or at least they did. Oh, we love Aspen. You know, when are you not using your house? And then all of a sudden they go, okay, fine, you can use the house that weekend. And then they're like, and then where do we get in the jet? Knowing they have a jet? And now they're on a private jet that the rich person's paying for. And then they're like, how did I get roped into it? But the friendship doesn't continue past that. It's like. So it's a good grip. It's a good grip.
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Yeah, it's. But it's.
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And I think it's all through her. And then he finalizes it. Yeah, like, he does.
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He.
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He does the finalization.
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Did you see what happened with her candles?
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Yes. Oh, my God. So this guy, Link. This guy who. What's his name?
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Link. Link. Lauren. He's a friend of mine.
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He's a unique, funny guy. He's quite conservative, but blonde hair, gay, fashionable. But, like. And he opened up the candle, he ordered it, and it didn't have a wick at all. Like, it wasn't that. It was short. I mean, there was no wick.
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There was no wick.
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And it's like, how much is it? Like, $18 or some ridiculous price That's a candle is a candle.
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Like, I mean, and there's no exchanges. You can't return it. So he's like, wait, I bought this defunct product where there's no wick in the candle. And then I can't even get my money back for it.
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Yeah. There's no way to light it. There's nothing to do with it. And then, I mean, there was never. When Karen Huger had the three Wicked, but then Wendy had The one wick.
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Wendy had one wick. And then that's when Karen came out with the three wick.
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A three wick.
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She's like, I have a big. I have big wick energy, bigger candle.
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That is so funny. I think candles is such an interesting, like, rich lady business to get into.
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But it's also just, like, so cheap to make those candles and then to sell them. I did buy her wine, the Rose. Meghan Markle.
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How was it?
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It was fine. I mean, it was. I did a whole video about, like, how. Because it's like it was $90.
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Okay. Because you have to buy $90 for one bottle.
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Three. It's a minimum of three bottles.
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So you pay 30. I have to say, 30 is kind of a lot for Rose. That's like more than whispering angel.
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Yeah.
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Like, Rose is not an expensive thing.
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In total, I paid 120 with shipping and handling. Because shipping and handling is expensive.
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That's like, that's why also the wine business. That's why. That's why Heather Debro got out of Collette because she said it costs so.
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Much to ship it.
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She was like, oh, please. I just did that for a storyline. She told me that. She's like, oh, come on. So I'm like, what happened with your champagne? How's that going to work out? I think that's such a great product for you since you're into champagne.
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She's like, you know, it's a good.
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Like, it's not economical. I mean, it's not a wise business for someone to get into that doesn't truly have a winery.
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Yeah.
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A way to distribute it, to have it get into a bunch of places.
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Yeah. I had my wine line for two years, and it was housewives inspired canned wine. And it was not the biggest revenue generator, but it was good marketing.
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Yeah.
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That's. That's what you use it for. I mean, she used it for a storyline, but, like, it's good marketing that you are investing in that, you know, is good, like, for brand visibility.
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Yeah. Yeah. I remember you sent me some.
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Oh, yeah, Yeah.
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I think stuff like that, you know, like to put it in the right glass, have it be cold enough.
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Yeah.
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And no one knows.
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Yeah.
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Like, where you really tell a wine is bad.
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It's like, that's why I said. I was like, you can get. I was like, the wine is not bad.
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Yeah.
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I go. But for $30 a bottle plus 30, like $20 shipping and handing. I was like, you can go to Trader Joe's and get $15 bottle of rose that's just as good. Like, it's.
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Like I said, just make it really cold. Have it just in a chilling bucket of ice. Yeah, same with champagne. I feel like those two drinks, as long as they're really cold. Yeah, it tastes delicious.
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Like red wine. You should invest it, right? Red wine. I think you can pay good money for good red wine, but a rose? I don't think you need to spend.
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A can of money.
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No.
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And same with chardonnay.
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You need.
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Chardonnay needs to be a little more expensive, but like a sauvignon blanc, a Pinot grigio, that doesn't have to be as much. That's wine talk with Zach and Heather. Okay. As you know, Kim did not pass the bar. Nothing to be ashamed of. Many of our best lawyers have had to take it multiple times, especially in California, which is the hardest bar. But as you know, she didn't go to law school. And she also is cursing chatgpt because she used that as a study guide, and they fed her some wrong information. But she's really pissed at the four psychics.
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Yeah, I saw that.
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That told her that she would pass. And then this other. I saw this guy on TMZ that is a psychic, and he's like, normally psychic readings are 95% accurate. I'm like, what? And then he said, and what they're seeing is that she will pass, but maybe not this time. Eventually, she will pass. I believe eventually she will pass. You know, eventually she'll pass. She's not gonna let it go. She's gonna take it. It doesn't matter if it's three, four, or five times. That doesn't make you a bad lawyer. It's fucking hard. But as far as the psychic things to go, I think that is so funny that. Because four psychics said it would happen. I mean, you're paying the psychic.
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Yeah. And, well, also, you don't need to be a psychic to know she will pass it eventually. Like, I feel like that's a cheat. Like, to be like, well, we meant you'll pass it eventually. It's like, well, no shit. She's not gonna give this up. She. And invest in this whole law career only to throw in the. Throw in the towel now. But that's interesting. I didn't know that there was, like, an accuracy rate. Is it. I'm surprised it's not, like, 99.95% accuracy.
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Also, I'm surprised she's still going to psychics, because I have some inside, juicy scoop memory from my own of psychics with Kim. So when I was at Chelsea lately, Chelsea had a. A psychic come, okay? And she had, like, a night, and she actually invited some celebrities that she had just, you know, just becoming friendly with, and she kind of sought out people who had lost a parent. Okay? So she. Kelsey, had lost her mom, of course, Robert Kardashian. So Kim had come, or maybe he put it together, and Chelsea went. Maybe Chelsea didn't put together. Maybe Chelsea was attending and she liked psychics and stuff. I was always like, I think it's fun. Unless it's like, they tell you, whoever you're dating now, is there an M in their name? Well, then that's not the one for you. It's just weird stuff like that where it, like, gets in your head. Just stuff. But I always think, like, a medium is kind of better because it's like, they're not gonna tell you that your grandma's pissed that you wear pants at the funeral. Like, they're not gonna be like, you know, it's gonna always be like, she didn't suffer. She's happy now she's running around in the fields. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But what this guy said to Kim, now, this is a long time ago. This is before she was either dating Reggie, she had not married Chris Humphries yet.
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Okay?
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And he said. She said, I'm gonna have children. And according to what Chelsea told me after, in my memory, okay? He said, yes, but they will not be black.
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So. And all four of them are.
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Yeah. So, I mean, there's someone who. And this was like a TV psychic. I'm not gonna say his name. He was a TV psychic. Again, it's my recollection, but I remember I even said it to Chris. I even said, when she got engaged to Kris Humphries.
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Yeah.
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I said, remember when Kim went to that psychic because Kris, his dad, was black and his mom was white? And so I was like, maybe he's right. Maybe she's gonna have kids with him, and they won't appear to be, you know?
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Well, he was wrong on that one. That was the 5% inaccuracy rate.
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Like, there's so many wrong things. I mean, too. When I went to a psychic, there was one right thing. And then I went back to that psychic, and there was later proved to be, like, four wrong things.
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See? So how do you know if you can trust a psychic?
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You can't. You just go for fun. I was at a Halloween party, and there was a girl doing the tarot cards.
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Yeah.
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And I think the Tarot cards are actually kind of fun.
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Yeah.
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Because she was just like, ask it a question. And then she was like, okay, this is. And then any card you could analyze, like, she'd be like, oh, this is the queen of. You know, this is the queen, but it's upside down. So you're a queen, but you feel like you're, you know, you're not in control of everything yet.
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You should read tarot cards.
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Everybody feels like they're queen, but they're not in control of everything.
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It's the same thing. Like, the fucking horoscopes, right? Like, every description of a horoscope, like, you can always, like, find a way they're generic enough to, like, fit it. Right.
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Like, I'm a Gemini. But if you read me Virgo today, I'd probably be like, yeah, that's totally me. Yeah.
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Oh, my. I am a little feisty. Oh, wow. I do wake up.
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I'm loyal to a fault.
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Yeah.
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Every single person on this earth thinks they're loyal to a fault because they were, like, nice to one person that fucked them over.
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Yeah, I'm nice until you cross me. That's so me. Like, that's every fucking horoscope ever.
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It's like, what? I'm a Gemini. They're like, you have two personalities. Sometimes you're really nice, and sometimes you're a bitch. I'm like, yeah, isn't that everybody? Like, what the hell? Anyway, good luck to her. As the air turns crisp and the holidays draw near, comfort becomes the best gift of all. Quince delivers layers that last. Sweaters, outerwear, and everyday essentials that feel luxurious, look timeless, and make holiday dressing and gifting effortless. Quince has it all. $50 Mongolian cashmere sweaters made for everyday wear. Denim that never goes out of style. Silk tops and skirts that really add polish. Also, outerwear built to take on the season. Perfect for gifting or upgrading your own wardrobe. I just got the most beautiful silk skirt. I love wearing it with my Quince cashmere sweater and some boots, and I look like a classy, chic lady. Step into the holiday season with layers made to feel good, look polished, and last. From Quince. Perfect for gifting or keeping for yourself. Go to quince.com juicy for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada, too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com juicy to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com juicy There is nothing like having good hair and feeling like your hair is fresh and healthy and growing. And let me tell you, if you're not feeling that you need to start by using Nutrafol. Nutrafol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand trusted by over one and a half million people. Nutrafol is the first and only hair growth supplement to be NSF certified for sport testing against 290 plus athletic ban substances, toxicology reviews, ingredient testing, label verification and annual manufacturing facility audits to ensure FDA requirements are met. See thicker, stronger, faster growing hair with less shedding in just three to six months with Nutrafol. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our Juicy Scoop listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping when you go to nutrafol.com and enter the promo code JuiceScoop. Find out why Nutrafol is the best selling hair growth supplement brand@nutrafol.com, spelled N U T R-A F O L.com promo code JUICYSCOOP. That's Nutrafol.com promo code JUICYSCOOP. I love Nutrafol and I know you will too. Okay, let's talk about Dancing with the Stars. Cause this is something that you've become quite passionate about. I have only been catching clips and stuff. I am not a regular watcher. Of course, I know. We've got the TikTok girls on the Mormon, Whitney and the other one who has gotten the boot, the. What's her name?
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Jen.
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Jen.
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Jen Affleck.
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Affleck.
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Cousin of Ben Affleck.
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Yes. And then we have Whitney, who became famous because she famously danced while her son was in the nicu. Yeah, and he's fine. She's had like two more babies since. And now she's like skinny and dancing really well. And also Alix Earle, who is the queen of TikTok fame, who got to be mistaken by Alex Cooper who took her under her wing and then they broke up.
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Yeah.
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And they're both blonde and skinny and cute. Okay, so but it's Alex Earle who's dancing and Dylan Ephron, let's not forget. It's Alex Earle's stepmother, who also was a sex worker who slept with the governor and ruined his career, but then married Alex's dad and is now on TikTok and everything herself and you know, enjoying the life and seems to be a wonderful stepmother. So good for her. Okay, so Andy Richter, who used to be the sidekick of Conan o' Brien's show for many, many years. Do you remember when he left for.
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A min No, I never watched. I mean, I knew of him, but I'd never paid attention to him.
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I always thought it was really interesting. So Conan o' Brien had his show. Andy Richter was the lovable sidekick.
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B
He was the Chewie.
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A
And he. Well, Chewie, really what it was was Johnny Carson had Ed McMahon, right? And then it was like Chelsea decided to have a sidekick, but having him off to the side was kind of like unique to our thing. And of course, the character of him and everything. But so they always had a great rapport. He then got like a sitcom or had the opportunity to do a sitcom, and Conan was like, go, go do your thing. And he had like a sitcom where he's like, dad, whatever. And it didn't go. And you can't blame the sidekick for wanting to do that. But then Conan was nice to enough to bring him back. And so now Conan's. Conan's late night show is not on anymore. He just does the. The podcast, right?
- [25:56]
B
I don't even know.
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A
I don't think so. I think.
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B
And if it is, it's on like, TBS or something.
- [25:59]
A
No, I don't even think TBS exists anymore. But it went a long time. Andy Richter got asked to be on Dancing with the Stars and has gone extremely far because the fans voted for him. What are your thoughts on that?
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B
First of all, you saying those words is such rage bait. Because the amount of fury that I have that Andy Richter has lasted in this competition this long, like Andy Richter. So they had like, Corey Feldman at the beginning. And every. Everybody knows when they announce the cast, you're like, okay, these are gonna be the first few to go. And it's always the old people, right? And Andy's like, old, and he's a big dude, and like, you know, his ankles look like they hurt. And so I wasn't expecting him to go far and anybody. And so I have a group thread with my friends and we. I don't watch the show live. I watch the dances afterwards. And then I'll get like, live updates from my friend on the east coast and she'll like, let me know what's going on on the show. And so with Andy, every week we're like, okay, Andy's gonna go home. And then he didn't go. And then, okay, well, Andy's gonna go home. And then they sent home Jen from Mom Talk. And then we're like, okay, well, Andy has to go home next week. And then they sent home Topanga. And that's what sent me into a fury.
- [27:06]
A
What was the thing About Topanga. Why do people think that Topanga, who was the star of Girl, what was it?
- [27:12]
B
Boy Meets World.
- [27:13]
A
Boy Meets World. And she's done some other things since. And she's cute. She's the mom now. What Is she, like, 40 or something?
- [27:19]
B
Yeah.
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A
And why did people think that the judges were, like, against her or something? What was the controversy with that?
- [27:28]
B
I mean, people think that the judges are biased to certain stars. Cast members. Yeah. I mean, they're critical. They give them critiques. And, like, to be fair, they were, like, less critical of Andy, who couldn't even move, and they were a little more harsh on Whitney or Jen or Topanga. They would critique them, and I think it's because they knew that they were more capable of moving.
- [27:49]
A
I mean, it's always so funny. Yeah. I can't really be fair because if the man is the star.
- [27:56]
B
Yeah.
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A
And you have this girl that, you know, you can just lift up because she's tiny, and then she can spin around. So then you're watching the dance and you're like, well, this is a great dance. Or like a big basketball player, again, who can, like, lift up the girl, do whatever, and he can kind of dance. And then when it's really on the girl to, like, do the salsa, hit. Exactly. Right. It's easy. You're right. Women. Once again, we're getting screwed over. Yeah.
- [28:20]
B
Yeah. And so that's what they're saying. They're saying that the judges are sexist because they were more critical of the women than of people like Andy, but he kept going through. And then I went on TikTok, and I found out that there's a whole community. I call them fannies for Andy, but they call themselves fandies. But so the fannies for Andy were literally going on TikTok and saying, we're going to vote for Andy so that we get him through the end. And then I found out. Did you hear about Bobby Bones?
- [28:48]
A
No, Who's Bobby Bones?
- [28:49]
B
Nobody knows. But. So he won Dancing with the stars back in 2018, and he was a terrible dancer, and the fans voted for.
- [28:55]
A
How was he famous, though? How was he famous?
- [28:57]
B
I don't know. A chef or something. Nobody really heard him.
- [28:59]
A
Like, the fandom saying, let's just see how much power we have.
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B
Yeah.
- [29:03]
A
Oh, my God. So if I ever get on, then the juicy scoopers are going to prove themselves.
- [29:08]
B
Yeah. But so now they've learned how to hack the TikTok algorithm so that they all find each other, and then they know, okay, we're all Going to vote for Andy, and then they use all 12 of their devices to all vote for one person.
- [29:20]
A
But do you even think they're Andy fans or they're just saying, can we do this?
- [29:23]
B
They're just in it for the fight. Like, there's nothing about Andy. I mean, he's a sweet dude. And, like, so.
- [29:27]
A
So I. So, okay, so we don't think they're been fans of his for 20 years. We think they're just a group of people to see. Like, let's see how far we can make a very average, not super relevant.
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B
Yeah.
- [29:39]
A
Person that doesn't have a huge, you know, following right now. That's kind of interesting and genius.
- [29:45]
B
I mean, they should have been watching his fucking sitcom, and then he would still be on the air. But that's how you know they're not real fans of him. And so.
- [29:52]
A
So interesting.
- [29:53]
B
Well, because they're also mad because, like, Whitney from Mormon Wives, I think her and the crocodile son are gonna go all the way to the end, and they're gonna be the top crocodile son.
- [30:02]
A
I love that you call him that, because that's what I would call him. It. He's the son of Robert Irwin. Robert Irwin, who was the Crocodile Dundee who died tragically with animals.
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B
Right.
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A
Wasn't it, like, a spear? Like the spear. The fish went through him?
- [30:16]
B
Yeah, I think it was like a stingray or something.
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A
Yeah, a stingray went through him.
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B
Yeah.
- [30:19]
A
Anyway, so he's the younger son and he's a babe, and so that's fun.
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B
Yeah. But so people are mad because Whitney from Mom Talk, she's a professional, or she was. Her background was. She was a professional dancer before the Nico dude. So they're like, that's not fair because she can dance and people like, Andy can't dance, but he's so nice and he's so likable. So they, like, rallied around Andy. And so when I found out that there was, like, an orchestrated campaign to get Andy to the end, I was not having it. And I started my own orchestrated campaign. I called it Save Andy's Knees, because that poor man was struggling week after week. And I was like, this is now elder abuse. These people are diabolical. To keep this poor man who, you know, his agent told him, like, you're only gonna go to, like, the third week, and you don't have to commit to long. And then here he is in the semifinals. He can dance.
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A
I always ask about this, and I've heard different things. Same with Special Forces. Yeah, Special Forces. I think we have found out that whether you leave on your own volition or get kicked off the first day or the second to last day, you get the same amount.
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B
That's not Dancing with the Stars.
- [31:27]
A
So how does Dancing with Stars work?
- [31:29]
B
I believe you don't get paid for the first one. And so if you're the first to go, I don't think you get anything.
- [31:35]
A
You must get a little something.
- [31:36]
B
Probably a little something. But I think after that you get like 10,000 per episode. And if you make it towards the end, that's when I think you can get up to like 400 grand for making it that far. And then obviously there are ways if you get fainted.
- [31:52]
A
I mean, listen, I've talked to some people who've done it and they've been like, please kick me off. Like, this is so much work that I'm dying physically in every way.
- [32:02]
B
And look at. He's not in shape. And when you see him, you know, dragging his feet around the dance floor as his partner's just like, dance. She's doing all the moves. And he's kind of just like, this.
- [32:11]
A
Whole thing is hilarious and kind of fabulous.
- [32:13]
B
It was. People got so fired up about it.
- [32:16]
A
Okay, so this was interesting. Did you see that Prince Williams actually called the crocodile son?
- [32:21]
B
Yeah.
- [32:22]
A
For a special moment with Robert Irwin, Because I guess they sort of have met and bonded over losing parents young. And I thought that was sweet.
- [32:30]
B
See, Prince Harry could never, nor would he ever.
- [32:35]
A
I think he would. Can you give us the latest on what is going on with Blake and Justin? We're hearing different things and I just want you to update our people.
- [32:43]
B
I mean, it's the never ending story. So we're out of the discovery phase and now everybody's just getting ready to take this to trial. There were a lot of headlines that came out that said Justin Baldoni was throwing in the towel and he'd kind of given up, which isn't really true. So he. She's suing him for sexual harassment. He was suing her for defamation. And back in June is when the judge dismissed his case. Cuz they said, so basically when you make statements that are in a court filing, like in a lawsuit, you can't be sued for defamation because it's protected under litigation privilege. Right. So regardless of what she said, whether it was truthful or if she was, they were just all complete lies. You can't be sued for defamation. You're protected from that. And so that's why she had it go into the New York Times, because then that Added, like, an additional layer of protection. Like, it was all very smart and strategic. So essentially, he couldn't sue her for defamation. That case got thrown out. And so the deadline for him to file an amended complaint, if he wanted to keep fighting that, that deadline passed, and that expired. But he made it clear back in June, like, I'm not gonna move forward with that lawsuit. I'm gonna fight her sexual harassment lawsuit. Trial is set for March of next year. And so there were a bunch of headlines that came out that ultimately were just inaccurate. And then his attorney, Brian Friedman, went on Harvey Levin's podcast and actually called out Harvey. And he's like, you guys reported this, and it was completely inaccurate. And Harvey's like, yeah, we did, and we own that. Like, we reported it and didn't report it fairly. And so, I mean, that was the biggest headline that came out. We're really just gearing up for trial, which is come. Come March. But, I mean, she's not looking too good, nor is Ryan Reynolds. More text messages have come out that just really kind of corroborate that. Her team was very clear that, like, they weren't the ones putting out these bad headlines about her. They were all talking about it, and they're like, oh, my God, did you see this headline? Oh, my God, did you see the Tiktokers are talking about her? Like, they seemed to relish in the fact that the Internet hated her, but it didn't seem like they were deliberately planting anything or orchestrating any of this smear campaign. They were just loving that the Internet was taking her down.
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A
So this girl, she covers it well, too.
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B
Elsie.
- [34:50]
A
Yeah, Elsie. She was explaining on her Instagram today.
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B
Yes.
- [34:56]
A
That it comes down to this relationship between Stephanie Jones and Jennifer Abel.
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B
Jennifer Abel.
- [35:02]
A
Stephanie Jones owned the PR company. Jennifer worked for Stephanie.
- [35:07]
B
Correct.
- [35:08]
A
And at one point, Jennifer was trying to, like, steal clients to leave Stephanie.
- [35:18]
B
Yes. Well, those are kind of the allegations. So Jennifer worked with Stephanie at her PR firm. She was, like, one of the heads there. And so Jennifer was the one that represented Justin Baldoni and his film studio. So she was the one that was doing PR for him. And the movie, it ends with us. And so at some point, I guess Justin was concerned about Blake Lively bringing forth these allegations of, you know, whatever was going on behind the scenes. And that's when he decides to hire this crisis PR manager, Melissa Nathan. And so then Jennifer started working with Melissa, and then they realized that Stephanie Jones, she wanted to be part of it. Cause I guess she saw, like, the movie was doing really well. Like, there was a lot of good PR around there, and a lot of her clients were dipping out. Like her company was starting to circle the drain a little bit. And so she kind of got into the mess. I think Stephanie Jones is the one that spearheaded all of this. So Justin Baldoni decided to leave Stephanie Jones, Jenna. And he wanted Jennifer Abel to come with him. So she left. But she left with Wayfair and Justin Baldoni. Stephanie Jones was not happy because obviously it ends with us. Comes out, it makes $300 million. Like, that was a lucrative client that she could have had. So at some point, and this is where the timeline gets a little murky, and we'll see how this plays out at trial. But at some point, when Jennifer Abel left, Stephanie Jones had security confiscate her devices and basically keep her phone because she said it was a company phone. And it was on that phone that all of the text messages were about them talking about Blake Lively, about Justin Baldoni. Got it. And so those text messages, somehow Stephanie Jones gains access to them through Jennifer Abel's phone. And somehow those text messages end up in the hands of Blake Lively. And the next thing you know, Blake Lively is launching this big legal warfare against them.
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A
Was it she gave it to Blake or was she subpoenaed by Blake's people to give it?
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B
So that's where it gets even shadier. So she says that she was subpoenaed by Blake. Stephanie Jones says that she was subpoenaed by Blake Lively. Right. So then Justin Baldoni was like, okay, well, give us the subpoena. We need to see how legit this actually is. Because you took Jennifer Abel's phone, and Jennifer Abel's, like, that was my personal phone number. So a lot of the messages and contents that were on that phone were my personal information, not company owned information. And so there's a company called Van Zan Inc. And that's seemingly a shell company that Blake Lively owns or is the CEO of. So Vanzan Inc. Decided to subpoena Stephanie Jones. But the lawsuit itself doesn't name any defendants. It was 10 John does that they were suing for. They said it was a breach of contract. So they go to Stephanie Jones and say, we need your text messages, because there's a, you know, there's a breach of contract with some person that we can't tell you who it is, but just give us all the messages. So she handed over all the messages. The theory is that she had already shown them the messages. They just needed a legal way to obtain them. So they used the shell company to file this fake lawsuit to get a subpoena to obtain the text messages. Because the second they got the text messages, they dropped that fake Van Zan lawsuit. Like, they just withdrew it and didn't end up pursuing it.
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A
Okay.
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B
So it's like a shady way that they legally obtained those messages. But how would you know to obtain those messages if you didn't. If you didn't know what was in those messages?
- [38:46]
A
But how they obtained it and the shadiness that went on from what they have now, because I'm hearing from some other people that really follow it that are like, this is looking good for Blake now, in their opinion.
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B
Yeah.
- [39:02]
A
What is your. Now, I know that you have been covering it, and I think you've been covering it very fairly, but if you were to say, you're definitely team Justin, do you feel. And you wouldn't be like, do you feel like this might not go in his favor?
- [39:20]
B
Listen, when it goes to trial, it's in the hands of the jury, and it can go either way. So I'm not confident of how the jury will ultimately decide because all we're getting are the pieces of information that are appearing on the docket. But, like, there's a lot of stuff that's redacted that we don't have access to. And listen, you can look at all of the information and you can sway it towards Blake and you can sway it towards Justin. Right. Where if you see the text messages of his team, you know, and they seem giddy about these mean videos that are going on on TikTok about her. Yeah, that looks bad. Cuz it looks like his team is relishing in the fact that the Internet's beating her up. But does that prove that they're behind it? Not necessarily.
- [39:57]
A
Right. I mean, how many times have you. In the business that we live in, if you kind of are not a fan of someone or maybe you were friends at one time and now they're getting some. They have some social media stink on them that you haven't maybe written to your mutual friend and it's like, oh, karma's a bitch.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah, exactly. It doesn't mean that you did. It doesn't mean that you put it out there like Elisa Barlow.
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B
Right.
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A
Just means that, yeah, I'm a little bit dancing on this person's grave because they treated me horribly.
- [40:26]
B
Right. And so that's why it'll ultimately come down to what does the jury think are these. And they have text messages where they are like, we can bury anyone. But then they put, like, laughy emojis with it where it's like, they're being sarcastic.
- [40:39]
A
Yeah. And even though I think to us, oh, my God, I'm sick of the story we've talked about, I don't think it'll be that hard to find a jury that doesn't follow this shit at all and can come in with unbiased fresh eyes. I don't think it'll be an impossibility. Like. Like. Like an OJ Trial was very hard.
- [40:58]
B
I think most people have tuned out to the case. Like, they know the big overarching thing, and now they're just kind of like, I don't really care. Because, like, at this point, there's too much of the minutiae. And even between the two of them, Jennifer Abel and Stephanie Jones. Jennifer Abel just this week filed a new motion for summary judgment that basically wants the judge to say, hey, if I. If Blake Lively sues me and wins and I owe her money, I was technically under the employment of Jones work pr, so Jones work PR should be responsible for whatever the payout is because I was working on their behalf.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So it kind of throws the buck back off onto Stephanie Jones of, like.
- [41:30]
A
What I was supposed to.
- [41:31]
B
So if she. If she loses, Stephanie Jones, who kind of seems like the ember that burned down the Palisades here, she's the one.
- [41:37]
A
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B
But why an iPhone store?
- [45:55]
A
That's, I guess just to like throw her off. But then, I mean, she's got sweats on. But then she still looks beautiful with a perfect manicure.
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B
I don't know.
- [46:04]
A
I don't know. I feel like. And fine. Whatever they did, whatever. It was staged and not. Who cares? They've been together a long time and she obviously wants to marry him.
- [46:14]
B
Yeah. I mean, they look a little face tuned in that photo.
- [46:16]
A
Oh, he.
- [46:17]
B
Yeah, so does he.
- [46:18]
A
Yeah, he. So I'm thinking, yeah, it's all good.
- [46:20]
B
It may have been. She may not have looked as glam, but they facetuned her up before they gave the photos to people.
- [46:26]
A
Ring looks beautiful.
- [46:27]
B
Ring looks gorgeous. Like, her manicure looks great too. But I just. The iPhone is so weird. Could you imagine being there because you cracked your screen? I was just at the iPhone store and I paid $400 to get my screen fixed on a brand new phone that I bought and had for two days. I couldn't imagine being at the Apple store waiting to get my screen fixed. And then there's like people getting engaged. It would be the most random thing ever. I'd be like, what are you guys at the Apple store? What? And then there's a photographer. What is happening?
- [46:58]
A
Oh, my God. Did you ever see the video I did with my friend Colin? And we were at Disneyland. I was at Disneyland with the kids he worked with for Disneyland. So he would meet us there when we would go. And I had just seen, you know, there's lots of engagements happening in Disneyland.
- [47:15]
B
Yeah.
- [47:16]
A
So I said, oh, my God. It was like right outside of like Star Wars. Like, no offense, but like extra dork. Right? And like, definitely, like that kind of fandom. It's not my thing, but I appreciate it. And so I, you know, summer, I had just like, you know, sunglasses on, like, T shirt, whatever. And I said, will you ask me to marry you? And then, like, we're just gonna see how people react. And so he has a boyfriend. Okay.
- [47:43]
B
So.
- [47:44]
A
And it's pretty obvious he has a boyfriend in the way he presents himself. So anyway, he asked me to marry him. I jumped up and down. People totally were like, oh, my God. Like, people believed it. And then we put out the video. And for the people that didn't know it's me, Heather McDonald, and this is my friend. Other TikTok people picked it up and then did, like, the side by side. Like, is someone going to tell her? Is anyone going to tell her? Like, it caught like 5 million views.
- [48:16]
B
Oh, my God.
- [48:17]
A
It was so amazing because I never, you know, my engagement wasn't like that. And now everyone makes such a big production out of it. In some ways, I think it's kind of cute that it wasn't a big flowers and this and that. That. It was just like, I wanted to surprise you if this truly was a surprise. I think it's cute, too. I mean, it's whatever. People are happy. If this is who you want to marry, you don't care if they give it to you. When your nails are chipped and you look ugly, you're not gonna care. You're gonna be thrilled.
- [48:45]
B
Like, I mean, we could have surprised her somewhere nicer than the Apple store, though. Like a restaurant. Like, let's go to lunch.
- [48:52]
A
Or, you know what? If you're doing the whole thing and media and being authentic is your thing.
- [48:57]
B
Yeah.
- [48:58]
A
So now let's say I'm thinking about it and I'm like, I just want to keep the audience loving me. I'm down to earth, whatever. And we're going to get engaged. I'd be like, you know what? Don't do the surprise with the angels up in the sky. La la la la la la la la. Like, let's just not do that song. And then let's. Like, I would almost do that too. I'd be like, peter. Like, if Peter was just my boyfriend, I'd kind of be like, okay, let's just do something that's, like, random. Like, I'm at Costco and I'm like, what? Like, now watch. There is going to be a trend on TikTok of people trying to be authentic where they do the engagement, not in this orchestrated $5,000 way. Get ready. That's my prediction. Because then people are like, I just love it. She's just real. They're real. They're funny.
- [49:45]
B
Do you think that this is real? Like, this is so awkward.
- [49:48]
A
No, I don't think it's real, but ye. I think people are gonna be doing that to show that they're, like, authentic and that these big fancy flowers over the balcony overlooking the sea, the only ones I really like. The couple that I've seen that I think are so sweet, is there was this one viral video where the girl is told that her friend's getting engaged, so she's you know, all excited. They said, dress up. We're, you know, we're gonna. Oh, my God. Jenny's getting in, and someone's filming her, and she's filming her friend walking through because she's, like, so genuinely happy for her friend. And they're walking through her walking through, and she's expecting to see the friend's boyfriend, and then she sees her boyfriend, and she's like. And they all turn around, and it's her engagement. And see, that is really sweet because you saw what a genuinely, like, sweet girl this person was. So, yeah, I think it's. Listen, we all are just watching people in their own living rooms these days.
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B
But you want some thought into it, like, right. Like, what do you want Peter to. Like, if he took you to the Apple Store and then just proposed and then didn't even get you a new iPhone, like, how would. Would you not be a little insulted by that?
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A
I'll take care of my engagement. Okay. So we knew we were getting married because. Because I have a stepdaughter. I had to tell my parents that I had a stepdaughter. They didn't know that I had a stepdaughter, so I wanted them to know and that I was marrying him. And it wasn't a perfect situation, but I. You know. So then we were like, okay, great. Like, the next day, my mom's like, well, the church and the country club are available on May 29, and that'll be nice because you'll get married before you're 30. And I was like, okay. My birthday was in June, so I was like, great. So then I said, go get the ring. I don't want to see the ring. I don't want to help you pick out the ring. And I was filming this show, Lyricist Lounge, and I said, do the whole engagement something special. Do it after I'm done filming, because I just want to. And I want to look cute. And I. So I knew I was getting it that night, but then he, like, set up something in his. In his condo. And then he, like, had this music playing in the car that I was like, what's this music? It was my favorite song. Like, it had to be you. Like, but. And then we went to a restaurant that I loved.
- [52:05]
B
See?
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A
And then we went aside, and I got it, but I didn't know what the ring was going to look like. But I did know what was happening that night.
- [52:11]
B
But you still appreciate the thought that goes into it. Like, if somebody proposed to me in a fucking Apple Store, I'd be. That would be an easy no.
- [52:19]
A
Oh, my God.
- [52:20]
B
Well, after looking at that ring, I'd.
- [52:21]
A
Be like, okay, maybe I think we have to do it there. Okay, so let's talk about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City last night. Another juicy, unfilmed moment up there with the infamous Sprinter van of Lisa Rinna and Kathy Hilton possibly freaking out that the DJ did not play Michael Jackson. And Kathy Hilton is best friends with Michael Jackson's sister Latoya, and she wanted Pretty Young Thing to be played. And therefore she allegedly yelled derogatory, homophobic slurs about this DJ at the. @ the Caliboo Club or Caribou Club in. In Aspen. Nobody filmed it. The Sprinter van driver is still in witness protection. He has never come out. We don't know where he is. Numerous podcasters have offered him tens to $20 to appear on their podcast to get the scoop. And he has. He or she? We don't know.
- [53:25]
B
We don't know.
- [53:25]
A
We don't know. So what happened is they're in first class, they're leaving the yacht to go home, and Meredith is still very upset with Britney because Britney was sent a TikTok video of a girl saying, my friend's an Uber driver, and she had Meredith, Mark's husband Seth and his mistress in the backseat of her car. I mean, not. But still quite, quite removed, in my opinion. No film of it, no video. She wasn't even the Uber driver herself. No, but she's pissed, as Meredith should be. If you got that, did you really need to talk about it on camera? Like, nobody, nobody else. I never saw that TikTok while it was happening. I wouldn't have known about it. No other, like, Bravo person picked it up. So I have to say I think she has a right to be pissed. But apparently on the flight home, they were in the plane. Let me see if I have the plane picture of their. Where they were all sitting. Oh, here we go. So Blocked by Jax posted this. This is from the show. They showed they were on First Class and they showed of it and basically they said that Lisa and Meredith was behind Britney and they were yelling that Meredith was berating Britney for, like, so long. Had her a shell of herself crying. Britney said that they were actually pushing her seat, which would have to be Lisa, who was behind her, that Lisa was also ganging up on Britney. And they were all texting each other, saying, are you hearing this? How awful this is? And what are you thinking of this whole situation?
- [55:03]
B
I mean, we saw it play out on the Sprinter van Last season, right. With the filming of the phone, where Mary's like, are you filming us? And then he's like, I'm not filming you. And she's still filming the whole thing. She's like, I was just taking a picture of outside the window. Yeah, she has a 10 minute video on her phone from, you know, them fighting. So, I mean, we've seen this all play out. I'm pretty sure. I mean. And you also know Lisa Barlow gets very animated when she's fighting. So I'm sure she's like yelling over. I'm sure they weren't like, shaking the screen. Really?
- [55:30]
A
Britney, you need to tell Meredith where you got that TikTok and what provoked you to show it on camera. Why don't you just give her the TikTok and let her know about it? And Meredith is probably like, britney, you have a man that doesn't even want to be with you. And Seth and I are in a monogamous relationship.
- [55:48]
B
Weren't they open for a while? Right.
- [55:50]
A
He doesn't even have an Uber account. He's a Lyft man. Like, what is she gonna say? Like, proof.
- [55:55]
B
But they were open for a while. Remember, that was season one. Seth and Meredith had an open arrangement.
- [56:00]
A
They said it was open. Now they say it's not open. I mean, I think she was just really. I think, you know, you're on the show and then you're, oh, you're like, blindsided when all of a sudden somebody on camera says something that you're like, I could give the editors $100,000 and they're not gonna not air this. Like, this is out there. I'm now gonna have to tell my spouse it's out there. Then it's gonna air. Then I'm gonna have to deal with it for the rest of my life. Like, I think that's where then she. That's where Meredith was, like, thinking about it on a plane. And your emotions run higher on a plane. I always wondered why I would watch a movie on a plane and cry harder or think it was better than it was. And then I would like, you know, like, I'm always less critical of a movie on a plane. I always think it's like, everything's great. And they said it's because there's something about being in the air that can, like, affect your emotions. And especially if you're drinking, which if they're in first class and they're housewives, they were drinking. And so then when I thought it was really good, because Mary then goes and meets with her and really was like, I really had. I thought Mary came off great. She was just like, you know, Meredith, like, it was horrible. Like, I was there. It was horrible. Like, it was horrible. I heard everything. Like, you gotta take some responsibility. And she's like, oh, please, there would have been an air marshal there if it was that intense. And I'm like, also, like, you know, there's that extra buzz of sound that happens in a plane.
- [57:40]
B
Yeah.
- [57:40]
A
That you also can't hear as well. So I kind of. On Meredith's side in that. I don't know that Meri would have heard it all, but I think they all talked about it.
- [57:48]
B
Yeah.
- [57:49]
A
And I think certainly Whitney and Heather, who were across the way, they were the ones that heard everything.
- [57:55]
B
Yeah. I mean, and Britney's the type, like, I'm pretty sure she was a shell of herself. Like, it doesn't take. Hard to rattle. It's not hard to rattle Britney.
- [58:02]
A
True.
- [58:02]
B
You can. You know, she rattles herself up every other episode. So I'm sure having Lisa and Meredith both on her. I'm sure emotions were heightened. I'm sure they weren't shaking her chair, but I'm sure they were kind of pulling on it. She was right in front of them, and they were. You know, I just. I believe that this happened. It probably wasn't that dramatic, but I'm sure Britney's reaction to it made it feel a lot bigger than it actually was. And all these women know how to do, like, Heather and Whitney. All they do are like, oh, my God, like, they blow it up so much more to add sauce on everything.
- [58:35]
A
Well, then also, do you think, you know, people said, well, well, maybe the producers. Why wouldn't the producers be filming it? They must have been in first class. And they said, the producers probably weren't in first class. And, I mean, they don't pay those people that well. I mean, the executive producers make money, but I don't think the people that are, like, carrying the cameras and, like, have the Notebook are, like, in first class.
- [58:55]
B
Have you seen Paul Royston on TikTok? He's doing. He was one of the producers. I think he did, like, Vanderpump Worlds. And all of his. His stories now are about, like, when I used to produce this show and what you think and how it was, like, setting up the scenes for Housewives and. And paying for everything. And he was a segment producer or something. And so he talks about how he's doing. He's like, you think it's glamorous and he's like, we were all treated like we would all eat shit food. Like, whatever their leftovers were, we. We took them home for our dinner that night. Like, you know, he's talking about what it's like to be a real producer on these shows. And like, yeah, they're not paid very well. They're not. You know, they're. I mean, I wish one of them would have been there to get the iPhone out and film some of this.
- [59:35]
A
And then they're like, I'm surprised the other girls weren't filming it too. And I'm like, again, they may have not thought of it. Or if they have it, they're like, I'm just saving this for a rainy day. I don't need to bring it up now. And I'm not gonna be the one to bring it up because, like, I'm still on the show. And I think people like Heather are smart enough to now see it. And it's like, you can't draw the line in the sand with another top person. If you want to stay on the show, you can. With the Monica girl because she was a newbie and she wasn't bringing anything and she wasn't rich or powerful. So that was a moment. But you know, people are like, well, isn't. You know, Heather was on the show. Heather Gay was on the show and about Lisa Barlow sharing stories about the cast members too. Bloggers or whatnot. And Heather Gay said, oh, yeah, I know for a fact she did it. I have receipts, timesheets, whatever she says, timestamps, everything. And he goes, and what do you think about that? She's like, well, he's like, will you be able. She's like, hopefully we'll be able to be at a place to move on. And so people were like, but then you didn't wanna move on with Monica. And it's like, yeah. Cause Monica wasn't powerful like Lisa Barlow. And she knows the audience likes Lisa Barlow. She's fun to watch. She has good one liners. Like, you know, so, okay, this was juicy. Talking about an open marriage. So this they. This is from Bravo. Snark was nice enough to put this together. So they're sitting at brunch. Whitney, who I definitely think has, you know, enjoyed a threesome. Swinging lifestyle, in my opinion. Yeah, okay. So it was actually. I have some facts on that that I might be sharing on the show on Friday. So come. I'll have to remember to write that down. Okay, so if it was someone sending him photos, this is Ron1. And we talk about it ahead of time. It wouldn't bother me if Todd said to me, I'd like to sleep with other people, or I'd like us to do this together. I'd at least try it. I am, like, shocked that she is saying this.
- [61:46]
B
I think she's gotten too caught up in the show, and I think she doesn't care about her marriage anymore. I don't know if she ever really did.
- [61:51]
A
No. I don't know why they ever got married in the first place. I don't know why he married her. I know why she married him.
- [61:57]
B
Yeah.
- [61:57]
A
But I was like, was she that great in the sack? Maybe she was. Because I'm like, why? If a guy wants. Maybe he just wanted a wife. And she was like, you can cheat. Maybe that was it. Maybe it was, like a transactional thing.
- [62:09]
B
Yeah.
- [62:10]
A
Take care of my daughter and I, and you can do whatever the fuck you want on your trips. I mean, they probably had something like that. And now that it's coming out, she's trying to protect herself from the image of the fans in that. I'm okay with this, because when people think that a woman is being treated like shit in their marriage and putting up with it, that actually hurts their fandom.
- [62:33]
B
Yeah.
- [62:34]
A
They're like. They lose respect for them. So it's like, I think she's trying to say, like, oh, please, I'm fine with this.
- [62:39]
B
And.
- [62:40]
A
And then. So now I do think that he was farting while making out, probably.
- [62:46]
B
Listen, I don't think there was ever anything substant, like, of substance in their relationship. Even the way that he talks to her. Horrible.
- [62:53]
A
I want her to get divorced so.
- [62:54]
B
Badly, but I want to see what she knew that.
- [62:56]
A
I want to see what she'd be like with the mother and the daughter and him all gone.
- [63:00]
B
Yeah.
- [63:00]
A
And not having to wear those weird outfits. Like, I just want to see, like, would she be cool at all? Like, kind of like the way Erika Jane changed once she got rid of Tom Girardi, and then she. We got to, like, she's.
- [63:10]
B
So she really get rid of him. Her, like, life blew up, and then she had nothing left.
- [63:14]
A
But her personality is so much more likable now. Like, she's, like. Gives good advice, and she's, like, kind of fun and get. You know, it's down to earth and, like, still a badass, but, like, in the best way. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know, but, yeah, that was interesting. And then Whitney. What did Whitney say in this? She kind of was, like, like, agreeing or who knows?
- [63:37]
B
I mean, it's working out for her and Justin.
- [63:39]
A
Yeah. And then she said, getting back to Monica Garcia, Heather Gay has said that now the judgment is $35,000 for those lips that she didn't like. Because when you don't pay your bill and then it goes, and then there's a lot lawsuit and you win, then it, like, the judgment just keeps going up and up and up.
- [63:59]
B
So you have attorneys fees and costs and all that stuff that now Monica has to cover.
- [64:04]
A
And she decided. Didn't she have another baby? I don't know.
- [64:07]
B
She was pregnant. And then she lost the baby, but I think she was pregnant again. I don't know what's going on with her. Remember, she had, like, such a hot moment.
- [64:16]
A
She had such a hot moment. She had such a hot moment. But she didn't seize it.
- [64:20]
B
No.
- [64:20]
A
It's like, you've got a window. Like, she should have immediately been like, get me on traitors. Get me on anything. Did she go on anything?
- [64:29]
B
She did. She was the voice on House of Villains. Oh. But, like, that was the most that they, like.
- [64:36]
A
When she finally did do a podcast, it was like four months later, and I was like, what? No, like, you gotta do.
- [64:41]
B
It only lasted, like, two or three episodes.
- [64:43]
A
Wait, she had her own podcast?
- [64:45]
B
She did a. Something.
- [64:46]
A
She was a guest.
- [64:47]
B
No, she did a. She did Nick Viall.
- [64:50]
A
Okay.
- [64:50]
B
And then she tried to do her own, like, Salt Lake Tea podcast or something. Salty podcast. Something like that.
- [64:57]
A
So that Heather gang is still. She's saying that she hinted that she hooked up with Captain Jason. Captain Jason said, no, we didn't hook up. Then Heather was on Watch Homes Live, and she's like, did we or didn't we? Did we or did. And I'm like. And people are like, enough with. We didn't know about your. You still haven't told us about the black guy. Really?
- [65:19]
B
Oh, my God. I forgot about that. Yeah.
- [65:21]
A
Yeah. And now you're not gonna. Now you're gonna hint that. Or did you not. Did you make out? Did you not make out? Did you fully bone? Well, you think he'd remember? Or maybe he wouldn't. What? She's just. But she's good. I mean, she's good, good. She's a good voice of reason. She's a good cast member. She does the work.
- [65:40]
B
She does. She keeps the show moving. She keeps. I think the fans will get tired of her in, like, two more seasons. Cause they'll feel like she's too produced and, like, the same reason they hate Kyle they're like, kyle produces Beverly Hills.
- [65:50]
A
Well, I mean, some people just. Just don't have a salacious storyline. Yeah, like her divorce was done and it wasn't super ugly except just to say I'm part of Mormonism and it sucked.
- [66:01]
B
Well, now she has her son.
- [66:01]
A
She doesn't have boyfriends. The daughters are all delights. So they're not struggling with drug addiction or pregnant or hating their mom or being estranged for five years. Like, so she doesn't have drama.
- [66:15]
B
Yeah.
- [66:16]
A
So it's like, that should not be a negative thing if you can bring it in other ways and still at least be funny and kind of keep it moving. And I think that's where she is at with it. And then people are like, oh, she's got no storyline. Shut up.
- [66:30]
B
Not everybody needs a full blown storyline every season.
- [66:34]
A
Sutton and Garcelle are no longer friends from real houses. Beverly Hills. And they were on a red carpet together. And Bravo. Snark said, feet away from the same event on the same red carpet, Garcelle turns her back on Sutton. Well, yeah, I've said it. They were never friends.
- [66:50]
B
They were never friends. Anybody that believed that friendship.
- [66:53]
A
Sutton believed they were friends.
- [66:54]
B
Oh, come on.
- [66:55]
A
No, I do believe. I talked to Sutton. Sutton believed they were friends. And I told her you were a girl she did a TV show with and when she decided that you were not, didn't have her back. And she had decided, I'm not going to come back on the show. There was not enough there for her to pursue. It was more powerful for her just to cut you out.
- [67:19]
B
Sun doesn't have real friends. Her friends are her assistants until they all leave her. And then she doesn't have real friends.
- [67:26]
A
So I, I disagree. I disagree. She has. Or her friends.
- [67:30]
B
Heather Dubrow.
- [67:31]
A
No, I went to her house when I went to the master's. She has friends. Like, she has friends from like the town. She has real friends. She has other. And then I went to. She had a party in Beverly Hills that was like a slow crawl or it was like a slow broil or whatever party. And she cooked and it was very nice. She had like one or two people, like helping her, but she did everything and it was not filmed and she had other Beverly Hills people that were not famous there. So I do believe she has friends. I do.
- [68:03]
B
I think friends around her are like the housewife lovers or they like that she has money and spends a lot of money to take care of people. I mean, I don't know. I. I'm not in her inner Circle. I know people that were in her inner circle, but I don't know.
- [68:17]
A
Well, I'm. I'm. I'm friendly with her, and I do think she has real friends. And I do know that she was hurt by. She did try to reach out to Garcelle many times. And.
- [68:26]
B
Yeah, I didn't understand. I didn't understand Garcelle's reason for, like, really kicking Sutton. Because, like, even if Sutton did want to try. Well, Garcelle's narrative is what the. Sutton didn't really try. But I just. I don't know. I don't think Garcelle cared about any of those women.
- [68:39]
A
It's such a weird thing. Cause we're watching this show about women's friendships, but it's about the show.
- [68:43]
B
Yeah.
- [68:43]
A
So they fight. They make up when it's convenient for the work. Nobody in real life that ever went through any of these arguments, whether it's at a school parking lot or at a country club, would ever fuck with that woman again in real life, as one of those women, you would be done. You'd maybe be at a shower five years later and be like, oh, hello. And that would be it. But if you're getting paid by Bravo and all that stuff, then, yeah, you got to make up. You got to make up. And that's what happened with Joe Gorga. Now, they said Gia and Joe Gorga are now re. Following each other. Louie and Joe and Joe Gorga are following each other. And I think that Bravo waited long enough to hire anyone for any reason from New Jersey. Put them in a long enough time out that they realized we're all screwed unless we come together. And so they want. Apparently the rumor is they want. They will. They'll still wait Bravo until they are actually friends, actually hanging out without cameras. They actually don't want to see the makeup on TV because the audience is so tired of it. And so even if they make up and everything, that once. If they decide to start filming and all that, we won't even see New Jersey till 27.
- [70:05]
B
No, yeah, I agree. I mean, they'll probably start filming next summer.
- [70:09]
A
Yeah.
- [70:09]
B
Give it, you know, the next several months to rebuild. I can see Kathy Wakely coming back. She lives across the street. Like, I can see them rebooting it in that sense. But, yeah, I think the egos were too big the first time around, and Bravo was like, all right. And then now they've been off of TV for long enough that they all want to be back on, and they have their little carrots right Melissa got her wife Swap, and Theresa got special forces. And so it kind of like gives them enough. But they, you know, they. They all want to be back on tv. I can see. I don't see Jennifer Aiden coming back.
- [70:44]
A
She said I'm not. She said I'm not. I officially. I've never heard, and I'm not. She, like, kind of said, I'm done. Like, I know I'm done.
- [70:50]
B
Yeah, we all know you're done. And I think that was him.
- [70:54]
A
She's starting a podcast. I'm sure you'll enjoy that TV gold. But I think this weekend there's going to be something that goes on, whether planned or not, that will spark story and people talking and news articles about them either seen talking, hugging, laughing, or yelling and fighting. But it'll probably be the positive because I think they're going in and they're gonna be like, we're gonna have dinner at this restaurant, which they'll be picking up. We'll get a deal. And we know that people, the fans will see us eating all together. And. Yeah, that's what's gonna happen.
- [71:32]
B
Yep.
- [71:33]
A
Okay, Now Vicky and Vicki wants back on the show. So Vicki and Tamara are good friends, leaving Shannon as the uno amigo. And she said, shannon's not gonna tell me who I can be friends with. She can't tell me. Like, we're going to Mexico. Tamara and I are going to Mexico. So they're going to be. They did the coffee ad. Everyone's doing this coffee thing. I saw. I saw what's her name from Miami do it. The one that was dating the Haitian mortician. Julia.
- [72:04]
B
Julia was dating the coffee guy.
- [72:07]
A
No, Julia, she did the coffee. She's doing the same coffee, which is like an instant latte that they did the commercial for. She's doing it, which I think is kind of funny because remember, she got the inst. She had to give her Haitian mortician lover, according to Adriana, the coffee maker. Yeah, I don't think. I don't even think she drew the connection. I just drew it. Anyway, we're gonna get the Haitian mortician and the sprinter driver are gonna be making an appearance at my show.
- [72:35]
B
I love that. Please, please bring them out on stage.
- [72:40]
A
I would love that. I just might. Anyway, so. And then Gina Kino was on the show, original OG Of OC and she said Shannon was mad at me because I said Shannon shouldn't have said on camera that she wasn't screwing David Beador, her first husband for a year and any other. Now Women see that and they know to, like, go fuck them. And I'm like, shut up, Gina. You know what? The reason we like Shannon is that she is honest.
- [73:10]
B
Yeah.
- [73:12]
A
She was honest enough to share with her girlfriends that her marriage was in the toilet and that she had gone. They'd gone this long time without being intimate. And could they, like, save it or not, or what does that mean? And she wanted the sympathy. But that's what makes a good housewife.
- [73:27]
B
Yeah.
- [73:27]
A
Not one that, like, acts like they're having sex every day when they're not.
- [73:31]
B
You know, obviously. Remember when she came back, Gina came back. It was, like, two seasons ago. It was when they had Dr. Jenn Armstrong and she had a party at her house. And then on Instagram, you saw that Gina was at this party and she's taking photos with all of them. And then you see the episode, and they don't show Gina, like, at all. Like, they completely cut her out. And, you know, she thought that was, like, her big OC return. Nobody cares about Gina. Nobody cares about her. Nobody likes her.
- [73:55]
A
I talked to Gina one time in Newport, like, at a restaurant, and I was like, I always think about that scene where you showed up and you didn't tell your son that you're bringing Vicky in cameras. And he was stressed about a baseball game. He was trying to make, like, the junior league or whatever it was. You know, he was already out of high school. Like, he wasn't gonna go to college. He was gonna do, like, semi pro or something. And he was there, and he was like, what the fuck are you doing here? And he's like, I'm gonna take this bat and hit your face with it or something. And she's like, ha, ha, ha. And Vicki's like, what? And I remember that just left such an impression where I was like that even that, like, later that night, I was, like, giving my sons a bath. That's how long ago it was. And they were, like, not getting out of the bath or not getting in the bath. And I remember, I'm like, I will not be treated like Gina Kito. Like, I was just, like. It was, like, affected me so much to see, like, such a disrespectful son. But then as I got older and I saw, like, it's wrong to put your kids on these camera with this camera without their consent, and then to take. Show up with cameras to surprise them while he's doing, like, something for his career. And so, you know, at the time she told me he was. The kids are doing great. Everyone's, like, married with kids are doing great. They're all adults. The three kids, her kids. But I said to her, I go, how did that, like, affect them? I'm sure people came up to them and said, you're a root. She's like, it was horrible. They were bullied horribly. They really suffered. Colton and even Colton really suffered. And da, da. And I go, so, I mean, do you ever look back and regret doing it at all? And she goes, oh, no, I can still get a reservation anywhere. That was exactly what she said. And I was like, you literally just said your kids were, like, bullied, traumatized, and now. But you can still call and get a reservation at Mastro's overs. Interesting. So, yeah, she's okay. I wanna talk about Helen Keller.
- [75:54]
B
Yes.
- [75:54]
A
Helen Keller, the blind deaf woman who could not speak either from history. People did reports, book reports on him.
- [76:04]
B
Yes.
- [76:05]
A
Now, there is a conspiracy theory that came around the Internet a couple years ago that actually was sparked. I looked it up by a University of Oregon student.
- [76:16]
B
Oh.
- [76:17]
A
Wrote a 96 page.
- [76:18]
B
I didn't hear any of this thing.
- [76:20]
A
Her name's Alison Johnston. My son goes to Oregon. So that was impressive. This was blind, deaf, accomplished and discredited. How Helen Keller's legacy evolved with new media. So do tell us the scoop, because you are passionate about it.
- [76:38]
B
Very passionate about it. Because I didn't even know that there was a report. I didn't even know this was viral. A few years ago, I was very proudly taking the credit of all the new TikTok videos that people are making about her. Because when you think about it, because, like, you know, I forgot how somebody mentioned something about Helen Keller. And in, like, one of my live streams, and they're like, oh, yeah, didn't she fly a plane? And I was like, helen Keller didn't fly a plane. You're confusing her with, like, Amelia Earhart. Yeah. And then I was sitting there and I went on my phone and I was like, what didn't. She didn't fly a plane. Someone was like, she did. And then I went. And I realized she wrote, like, 12 books. She flew. I'm like, somebody hacked the Matrix. And, like, this is the Mandela effect. Because I don't remember her doing any of this shit when I was in school. And we learned about her because she was blind and deaf. They said that, like, she donated all this money to the ACLU because she was trying to help, you know, people of color. And I was like, helen Keller can't even see color. Like, she's one Person. She's one white lady that can say, I never see color.
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A
She know ethnicity.
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B
She had a forbidden lover.
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A
Was he black? Was he a Haitian mortician?
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B
No, he wasn't. He was white. But I don't know. She may have thought that maybe he convinced her that she was. And so they would communicate with her in her hand. They would write things in her hand, and that's how she would understand things. Which again, how they got her to scribble in her hand and then get her to write.
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A
And what was the years that she was alive? Like the 1800s, 1900s. What was it?
- [78:00]
B
It was like early 1900s, I think. Yeah. She flew a plane. She wrote 12 books. So the forbidden lover. She was going to secretly get married to him, and then he ghosted her. And so she was supposed to meet up with him, and then he just never showed up.
- [78:14]
A
She wasn't. Couldn't find him.
- [78:15]
B
That was my thing. I'm like, how. Who bought this story?
- [78:18]
A
But she went to the cafe and he was there.
- [78:21]
B
She didn't know it, couldn't see him.
- [78:23]
A
She was. How would he know what she looked like? It's not like she could, like, send him a photo.
- [78:28]
B
No, he was her. He was like an assistant of hers.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then. Which also. That's not a Romeo and Juliet. Forbidden lover. That's like a different situation.
- [78:39]
A
So rich. Because people were impressed that she. Okay, so I looked up briefly. So she wasn't born this way. At 19 months, she got some horrible, you know, illness, which back then, you know, which is why my mom. I remember one time, one of my daughter had an earache, and she. She said she. I didn't know she had an earache, but she seemed sick. And my mom's, like, took her temperature. And I remember my mom was like, you don't fuck with an earache. Look at Helen Keller. You like, don't. Your kid has an earache. A temperature. You do not fuck with that. You get that temperature down. But something like that happened. And then she lost her eyesight and her ear and her hearing. And because of that, she hadn't started speaking yet. At 19 months.
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B
Right.
- [79:20]
A
So then she lost the ability to speak. So did she create sign language?
- [79:24]
B
No, she didn't even do. How she going to do sign language. She does it. She can't see sign language.
- [79:30]
A
So the thought is. Or like, what. What is the conspiracy?
- [79:34]
B
I think that she existed. But what they did was they found somebody that they can prop up to be like, gay rights. And so they gave her a little Picket sign.
- [79:42]
A
She was gay, too.
- [79:45]
B
She was, like, homeless and tooth homeless, not toothless. So she didn't know any better. She was fighting for the homeless and the toothless, and she didn't even know what she was fighting for. I think she was a mascot that they propped up and they're like, women's rights and all this? Because, I mean, the rabbit hole goes deep with the number of. Did she go to the moon?
- [80:01]
A
That's the question.
- [80:02]
B
Probably. She was right there with Neil Armstrong on the moon, and she was the first woman. She flew the spaceship to the moon.
- [80:11]
A
So right now, if you look it up, it says she flew her own plane herself.
- [80:17]
B
I think someone was with her in the plane, but she flew in the air for 20 minutes. How do you teach someone that's blind and deaf? How do you explain to them what a plane is if they've never seen a plane before? And then how to drive the plane? I think someone just threw her in the plane and was like, autopilot underneath, and she had no idea what was going on.
- [80:36]
A
So you think it's just, like, stories made up in a time that there wasn't, like, video footage to prove it?
- [80:43]
B
There's video footage of her alleged video footage of her flying the plane. Not flying, complain, but, like, of her. And she's, like, talking.
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A
Doing a TED Talk.
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B
She's doing a TED Talk.
- [80:57]
A
Oh, my God.
- [80:58]
B
And then at one point, she, like, looks into the camera and where Mel.
- [81:01]
A
Robbins and Jay Shetty come into this story.
- [81:05]
B
They'Re going to interview Helen Keller. That's the next guest. Oh, like, Helen Keller was the epitome of the let them theory. Mel Robin says let them and was like, let them. Whatever they say I'm for, I'm for it. So I just think she was, like, a prop that they use to push, like, all these different causes. And I'm just like, she didn't know if she was sitting at the back of the bus. She didn't know where in the bus.
- [81:27]
A
She was like, I did a fourth grade report on this.
- [81:30]
B
Yeah. And we all did. We all studied it. But also, why? Like, it doesn't make any sense. I was talking to my mom about this, and she's like, all I remember is that she was blind and deaf and she was wild. And then there was a teacher, Ann Sullivan came in, and Ann, like, taught her how to behave.
- [81:46]
A
Yeah, she was wild. That's right. She was, like, freaking out. And then Ann Sullivan was like, the first, like, special needs teacher type of a thing.
- [81:52]
B
She had a Helen whisperer Yeah, the blind whisper. And so my mom's like, was the moral of the story is like, we're supposed to listen to teachers. And that's why they taught us all about this in school, is because teachers like, like, it's more. Cause it's also like, why did we learn about that? She wasn't.
- [82:07]
A
Rosa Parks and Anne Sullivan have been the bigger star of the story. Really?
- [82:11]
B
She would be the star. Like, I would be like, Anne Sullivan got this blind and deaf girl and she turned her into this huge social activist. She raised money for the aclu.
- [82:21]
A
Yeah, who doesn't want that line, right?
- [82:24]
B
Like, an Sullivan should have been the woman that we were championing and instead we were believing that Helen Keller flew a plane by herself. It makes absolutely no sense.
- [82:33]
A
It's so. That's so funny. Okay, I have a little follow up on. Over the weekend. I talked about this on Tuesday. I got a random text. Okay. Just like a 3, 2, 3 number. Like this. And it was somebody fishing for a rich old man. It said, hello, handsome old man or something. And I was bored and Peter and Drake were golfing and I wrote back and fucked with this person. And I created an old rich man that plays golf. He lives in Century City. His name is Charles, and he belongs to Rivera Country Club.
- [83:09]
B
Oh.
- [83:10]
A
And then they kept trying to get me to go on their WhatsApp. And I am so. I was just acting old and I didn't know WhatsApp. So after I had my fun with this person, I then was scared and I blocked the number. I screen grabbed all of it and shared it with my juicy scoopers. Okay, they are back with another 3, 2, 3 number.
- [83:31]
B
How do you know it's the same person?
- [83:33]
A
Because she said, hi. Hey, Charles. Oh, hey, Charles. And I said, who is this? And she said, it's Isabel. That's the same person. It was before. I was actually waiting for your message on WhatsApp, but you didn't message me LOL. So I said, I don't use WhatsApp because I'm an old man.
- [83:52]
B
Yeah, okay.
- [83:52]
A
I don't use old. I don't use WhatsApp. Can you. And then I wrote, can you meet me for a drink at the Waldorf on the rooftop tomorrow, 4:30 for sunset? Doesn't that sound nice?
- [84:06]
B
Yeah. So she said I would meet him.
- [84:07]
A
Yeah.
- [84:08]
B
And it's in public.
- [84:10]
A
Yeah, yeah, sure. If you Message me on WhatsApp. LOL, it's easy to go wherever you are. I'm like, we're texting here. Why do we have to go on WhatsApp. Okay. Because that's. I think there's some trickery to the WhatsApp. They can suck the money out of your bank account easier from Nigeria or wherever this is. Okay, Before I go, before I download an app, can you send me a photo and I'll send you a pic of me? Sure. But don't judge me. I'm not pretty. Like, what you think. Here you go. Send a gorgeous picture of a Filipino girl with a messy bun and a Starbucks cup.
- [84:49]
B
Wow.
- [84:49]
A
Okay. And then she says, they're all Asian girls now.
- [84:52]
B
They used to be Nigerian and they kidnapped. And now, like, this is the new scam.
- [84:57]
A
The scam?
- [84:57]
B
Yeah. They're all Asian girls.
- [85:00]
A
This girl. Okay, I'll tell you the rest. Okay? She goes, where are you now? Still there. And I said, I'm walking into a dinner. You're gorgeous.
- [85:08]
B
I love that you're having this whole conversation.
- [85:10]
A
She says, thank you, but where's your picture? Or you can. Or you can send it to my WhatsApp.
- [85:16]
B
Oh, my God.
- [85:16]
A
Then she sent the WhatsApp thing. Okay. So then I went on the.
- [85:21]
B
You clicked the WhatsApp?
- [85:22]
A
No, I went on Google whatever, and I said, give me a older man. Cause I said I was 53. But obviously an older man that says he's 53 is actually like 59.
- [85:33]
B
Yeah.
- [85:33]
A
Okay. So I found an older white man that was like a Google image.
- [85:37]
B
Okay. Tom Girardi.
- [85:39]
A
A selfie.
- [85:39]
B
Okay.
- [85:40]
A
Cause it has to be a selfie, right? It's not gonna be a model with three fingers. And he's not cute, but not cute. Not cute.
- [85:47]
B
Agree.
- [85:47]
A
I'm not gonna show his photo, but he's not.
- [85:49]
B
I would meet him at the Waldorf at 4:30 for a cocktail because you just.
- [85:53]
A
Because, you know, it's hard to get into the Waldorf, and it's a beautiful sunset. Ye.
- [85:57]
B
I actually went to the Waldorf the other night.
- [85:58]
A
The Waldorf is the best. LA looks so beautiful from the top of the Waldorf. You don't see one gross, scary thing from the top of the Waldorf. And. But it is hard to get a table. And the drinks are very expensive.
- [86:10]
B
I paid $40 for a martini.
- [86:12]
A
The drinks are so expensive. Yeah, but Charles will get it for you. She goes, why so blurred? Lol. And I go, oh, shit. You know, because I'd screen. Grabbed the Google, and I said, I didn't even notice. Okay. So she goes on, you look younger than your age. No, I don't, Isabelle. So when you message me on my personal WhatsApp. Some stuff will see our conversation. You hear me? Like, the English is bad, obviously. And I think she's hinting, I'll show you, like, some nudity. Sorry, I can't understand you. Music in here. Starbucks is too loud.
- [86:48]
B
Oh, she said that or you said that?
- [86:49]
A
She called me.
- [86:50]
B
Oh, she called me.
- [86:54]
A
So I had Drake do an old voice.
- [86:56]
B
Oh, okay.
- [86:57]
A
And he goes, what? Hey, honey. And it was a, you know, an Asian accent.
- [87:06]
B
Okay.
- [87:07]
A
And then she said, sorry, I couldn't hear you. And I go, why are you at a Starbucks at 6 at night? You know? She's like, I'm at Starbucks. Cause that was that stock photo.
- [87:16]
B
Yeah.
- [87:16]
A
And we know she's not in Starbucks. We know that she's in the Philippines, like in a warehouse or something. And she said, she goes, I'm waiting to my stuff here to give a report yesterday. If she doesn't show up, I'll just leave.
- [87:28]
B
Whatever.
- [87:29]
A
She's pretending like she's working.
- [87:31]
B
Got it.
- [87:31]
A
So then I just stopped. And then she wrote again. Hope I can receive a good morning message on my WhatsApp. Good night. And then this morning. Good morning, Charles. And then this morning she called me again, and I just didn't answer.
- [87:48]
B
I feel like we need to follow this plot through.
- [87:51]
A
When I get bored, when I run out of content, I don't know if I'm gonna have time to deal with Isabella Bravocon.
- [87:56]
B
Just tell her I'm at Bravocon. I'm in Vegas this weekend.
- [88:00]
A
But I will. I'll tell everybody. I will be doing lots of content from my Patreon. We're gonna do a live stream. We're driving tomorrow afternoon. We're gonna do a live stream, answer some questions. Maybe you'll even give me some things that you want me to answer. Doing the live show, of course you're gonna go to heathermcdonald.net, you're gonna join the Patreon, and you're gonna get your ticket and you're gonna follow Zach. What fun stuff are you doing? Where are you putting all your fun, juicy content over the weekend? On your Instagram. How you doing?
- [88:28]
B
Instagram, YouTube. I have no filter. All access. People can sign up for, like, behind the scenes, fun stuff on there as well. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be all over Vegas this weekend. I'm doing Bravocon all day Friday and New kids all day Saturday. I'm gonna see you Friday night.
- [88:43]
A
Right. And so when you. When you are walking around Bravocon, I mean, have you done it before?
- [88:52]
B
I've never done BravoCon. The last time I did, last time I was there, it was for, like, a Weight Watchers, like, brand deal that I, like, flew in for.
- [89:00]
A
You mean just Vegas?
- [89:01]
B
Yes. But it was the week. It was Bravo Con. It was part of BravoCon. But it was like.
- [89:05]
A
You didn't go to the convention?
- [89:06]
B
No, it was like a last minute thing. I got a call, like, Friday morning, like, can you be here? They're like, do you want to do that?
- [89:11]
A
Somebody would call me and say, can you show up at the Weight Watchers for a last, last minute check?
- [89:15]
B
I was like, yeah, I can. They thought I was in Vegas for BravoCon. And then I was like, no. I was like, but if there's a check, I will fly. Like, I'll be there tomorrow. It's a 45 minute flight.
- [89:24]
A
Yeah.
- [89:25]
B
Tell me when.
- [89:26]
A
So. Well, you will be besieged with people that recognize you, and so that is very fun.
- [89:34]
B
Hopefully they're nice.
- [89:35]
A
Oh, they're always nice. They're never not nice. Yeah, they're the people that go to Bravicon and, you know, especially the ones, obviously, the best ones are the ones that go to my shop.
- [89:44]
B
I actually was, when I was in Vegas last time, since I was staying at Caesars, there were a lot of people that were at BravoCon that I got to like that did recognize me or follow the podcast.
- [89:52]
A
Honestly, it's a great vibe.
- [89:54]
B
Very sweet.
- [89:55]
A
It's a great vibe. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of taking photos and things like that, which is fun and great. I will say one thing, and I'm just gonna tell people this, because this is what I don't like about it, is when you are walking around Vegas, whether you're at Bravo Con or whatever, and people come up to you, we all love it and we take photos and stuff, but if there's a miscommunication or the person that you're trying to get the photo of it, whether it's me, Zach, or a housewife, or Andy himself and he can't do it, or your phone's not ready, or they literally have to get to the next place where they contractually have to go over here. Do not then go on TikTok. Go on TikTok and say that that person was a bitch unless they said fuck you and threw a drink in your face. Being busy having handlers running around, it's not fair then to, like, judge someone that's like, I just need to pee. Like, I'm. I haven't had any. I I had to do that a few times. I was like, I. I literally. If I don't have something to drink right now, like, I'm gonna faint again. Like, they're just. And, you know, and the. The. The talent has the golf carts and the people to walk them through, but the people that. That are just kind of like us or, like influencers or whatever that are happy to be there, that want to take a photo with you, just give everybody a little grace.
- [91:18]
B
Yeah.
- [91:18]
A
You know, because it is really fun. And we do. And it. And the fun part is going out and meeting people and taking photos. We're all about it. Yeah.
- [91:26]
B
I'm excited. I'm. I'm looking forward to it.
- [91:28]
A
I know. Now I'm getting real excited.
- [91:30]
B
I know the closer it gets, the more I'm like, oh, this is actually gonna be fun. Cause then I'm seeing everyone else that's going. We're planning all. I do. I know. Stu and I just had stew on my pod chef stew. And we were. We literally were just. We forgot we were on the livestream, and we were just, like, talking through our itinerary for the week. And then we're like, well, now everybody knows where we're at and where we're having dinner, what we're doing. But I'm excited to see everybody. Cause it's like, you know, everyone that you know from the Internet is now all together or in the tv. Like, we're all together in one place.
- [91:58]
A
Yeah. It's all good. And you know what? You never know where the world will be in two years. So I'm always like, this could be the last. And if you're not going, no fomo watch. Get my streamer. Follow all of us. There's stuff you can watch on Peacock. Like, you can still have fun from the comfort of your own home. Your feet won't be tired. You won't be spending thousands of dollars, you know? So, like, you could still have fun with it.
- [92:24]
B
Do you think Sheena and Tamara will squash the beef at bravocon?
- [92:28]
A
Oh, are they doing a thing? Squash the beef? Is that one of the things?
- [92:30]
B
Well, they always do. Bravo. BravoCon always does.
- [92:33]
A
I thought that whole thing of blaming Sheen was, like, ridiculous.
- [92:36]
B
Yeah.
- [92:36]
A
But, you know, they're all gonna be entertaining and looking gorgeous. They're all gonna look like little Barbies up there. And it's gonna be fun.
- [92:43]
B
Yeah.
- [92:43]
A
Yeah. All right, everybody. Heathermcdallin.net thank you. Bye. What do you think makes the perfect snack?
- [92:49]
B
Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
- [92:53]
A
Could you be more specific?
- [92:54]
B
When it's cravinient? Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. p. M. I'm.
- [93:04]
A
Seeing a pattern here.
- [93:05]
B
Well yeah, we're talking about what I.
- [93:06]
A
Crave, which is anything from AM PM.
- [93:08]
B
What more could you want?
- [93:10]
A
Stop by AM PM where the snacks.
- [93:11]
B
And drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience.
- [93:15]
A
Am PM Too much good stuff.