Diddy Doc, Sydney Sweeney, Mormon Wives Lawsuit with Jacques Peterson

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Diddy Doc, Sydney Sweeney, Mormon Wives Lawsuit with Jacques Peterson
Date: December 9, 2025
Guest: Jacques Peterson (Daily Mail writer)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Heather McDonald welcomes returning guest Jacques Peterson, known for his hot takes and unpopular opinions, to dive into some of the juiciest pop culture controversies of the moment. The pair dish on the explosive Diddy documentary produced by 50 Cent, debate Sydney Sweeney’s handling of her PR nightmares, break down the latest Mormon Wives reunion drama and lawsuits, and dig into recent episodes of reality TV staples like Real Housewives and Vanderpump. As always, Heather's trademark irreverence and Jacques' fearless takes keep things spicy.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Diddy Doc “Sean Combs: The Reckoning” — the Netflix Sensation

Timestamp: 04:02 – 26:16

• Initial Reactions: Jacques admits he hasn’t watched the doc yet, but Heather and he discuss the cultural impact and what’s been revealed (04:34).
• Documentary Shockers: Jacques claims “it told me a lot of things I didn't know and it put a lot of things in clarity...Puffy Combs was an untalented dork mouth breather who got too much power and became a monster.” (05:01)
• Connections to Tupac, Biggie & Criminal Allegations:
  • The doc suggests Diddy may have had greater involvement in both Tupac's and Biggie's deaths than previously thought—“pretty persuasive evidence...Diddy may have been completely responsible for not only Tupac...but possibly Biggie, too.” (05:37)
  • In-depth on assistant testimonies, violence, intimidation, and a pattern of controlling, abusive behavior (06:06 – 07:13).
• Jury Selection Surprises: One juror was a huge Diddy fan, raising questions of bias: “You should not have been picked to be the jury...she was like, 'I remember every episode of Making of the Band.'” (08:02)
• 50 Cent's Involvement & Legendary Pettiness:
  • 50’s “long game revenge” recounted: he bought out the front rows at Ja Rule’s concert to spite him. (11:25)
• Chelsea Handler & 50 Cent Dating Story: Heather reminisces about the time Chelsea dated 50, including opening for Chelsea and the wild reaction from their workplace (12:04 – 14:45).
• Music Industry Exploitation & Diddy’s Reputation:
  • “He really fucked over people that were legit working for him. He, like, just wouldn't pay people. He was a terrible manager...” (17:35–17:51)
  • “There’s so many people that, you know, are traveling the world doing all this stuff...the band just never gets paid or they sign this long contract, like he did with Cassie. 10 year, 10 album deal, no song ever came out." (17:51)
• JLo & Kim Porter:
  • The doc skips some topics, like the J.Lo nightclub incident and Kim Porter's mysterious death (08:29, 19:14).
  • Jacques: “I was told that in a business meeting, Diddy just puts the gun on the table...At the time, I was like, is that that weird? I mean, it’s not like you got shot, but now I’m like, no, that was like a power, scary move.” (19:39)
• Hollywood Facades & Image:
  • “He called himself bad boy, you know, but...he went to a private Catholic high school.” (20:16)
  • Discussion of hip hop images and real backgrounds—e.g., Tupac being an art school kid. (20:28–20:54)
• Predictions and Legacies:
  • Will Diddy come back after jail? Heather thinks “anybody can, because he's not even being locked away for that long...” (25:37)
• Wendy Williams and Gay Rapper Rumors:
  • Discussion of old rumors and industry gossip, including Wendy Williams’ feud with Diddy (24:48–25:10).
• #MeToo, Industry Complacency, and the Internet's Role:
  • Heather: “Thank God for the Internet and these people that find this...there is so much telling on himself and it’s crazy.” (28:03)
  • On fragile, vengeful personalities attaining power: “I don’t think there's anything scarier than a Dork in school that then gets power.” (23:20)

Notable Quotation:

"Pretty persuasive evidence...Diddy may have been completely responsible for not only Tupac...but possibly Biggie, too." – Jacques (05:37)

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2. Mormon Wives Lawsuit & Reality TV Crossovers

Timestamp: 36:11 – 51:45

• Mormon Wives Hulu Reunion:
  • Stassi’s performance as host praised: “I thought Stassi did such a good job...I thought she did amazing.” (36:13–36:40)
  • Generational humor: Taylor Frankie Paul, the Mormon Wives star, says “everyone tells...me I remind them [of you]” to Stassi and admits she's never seen Vanderpump Rules (38:03).
• Juicy Scandal:
  • Dakota (Taylor’s ex) is slammed for sexting a family friend and making misogynistic comments. (40:00)
  • Taylor is painted as unhinged, but evidence vindicates her “at the end...her intuition was telling her...she knew something was up. So, yeah, he’s awful.” (40:31)
• Shifts in Reality TV Culture:
  • The Bachelor franchise’s crossovers with Mormon Wives stars; how ABC/Disney is copying the Bravo model by shuffling stars among shows (41:38–42:06).
• Vanderpump Villa Lawsuit – Marciano & Demi:
  • Behind-the-scenes on allegations of sexual misconduct, staged drama, and pending lawsuits.
  • Jacques: “He (Marciano) should definitely sue Demi. Because the fact that she is just quadrupling down on this, and there's just more and more evidence that just disproves her.” (46:04)
  • How social dynamics in reality TV pressure cast members to navigate false accusations carefully.
  • Production-level fakery: “He said Marciono said that...when Layla approaches Jesse about sleeping with Marciano in this scene in the car, like, they already planned. She already knew that was happening.” (45:25)
• Consequences of Spreading False Claims:
  • Heather: “She is indefensible...I usually...defend a lot of the villains and she—icon.” (47:40)
  • Jacques compares the situation to Jussie Smollett, reshaping the narrative for sympathy and scandal. (46:39)
• Broader Lessons for Reality Stars:
  • “If you have a really killer first season. Sometimes I kind of think, you know what, just quit...” (53:15)

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3. Sydney Sweeney PR Drama & Celebrity Cancel Culture

Timestamp: 53:22 – 59:22

• Sydney’s Statement on the Jeans Ad Scandal:
  • After long silence, Sweeney finally releases a “word salad...nothing statement.” (54:47, 55:06)
  • Jacques on Sydney’s crisis comms strategy: “She should be more specific...I think people want an explicit statement from her. So when you just come out with the, like, 'I don’t support hate.' It’s like, who supports hate?” (56:19)
• Public & Professional Pressures:
  • “It also must be very stressful because you’re, like, so at the peak...your star's gone so big...” (56:59)
  • Heather speculates Sweeney is overexposed and might be better served pulling back from the spotlight (57:19).
• Film Career Commentary:
  • Sydney’s “trashy” movies vs. her box office flops—“I think it was too early going the ugly route.” (59:03)
  • Heather: “All of her movies so far that have done well are like...a rom-com or Euphoria...” (59:32)
• Cultural Reactions and Double Standards:
  • How women, especially actresses, are scrutinized for both professional and personal choices.

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4. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap & Relationship Drama

Timestamp: 64:01 – 77:46

• Slow-Mo Openings and Lifestyle Flexing:
  • “Is this no longer a reality show...since she didn’t get any money out of her divorce, she has to wash her own Porsche?” (64:01)
• Cast Dynamics and Friendship Fissures:
  • Detailed Garcelle and Sutton friendship failure analysis—Heather: “Garcelle blew you off because the show was over. You were a work friend. That’s it.” (66:19)
  • Jacques' controversial take: “Garcelle is so unprofessional. She's a cow.” (68:04)
  • Comparing Garcelle to Lisa Vanderpump; manipulation, playing the victim, and ghosting co-stars.
• Single Life & Dating Energy:
  • Most of the cast is single. Commentary on Mauricio’s “midlife crisis”-era partying: “Now it’s literally the cliche of...middle age...your husband leaves you for younger women and is out partying...” (74:47)
  • Heather asks, “Was he always like this? Or is it literally like kind of a midlife crisis?” (75:25)
• Predictions & Laughs:
  • The speculation whether Meghan Markle could eventually join Real Housewives—mock sketches about her working at SUR or Vanderpump Villa ensue (86:28).

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5. Quick Hits: Vanderpump Rules, Harry & Meghan, Celebrity Miscellany

Timestamp: 79:00 – 86:28

• Vanderpump Reboot:
  • New cast, familiar LA thirstiness—“It's a show about people in their 20s that are in LA trying to be famous...they captured the vibe.” (80:29)
• Harry & Meghan’s Waning Influence:
  • “These five years after the royal page break, she has a Netflix Christmas thing that...people are ripping on…” (81:24)
  • Sympathy for Meghan’s family fallout, with Heather noting, “I don’t think anybody should be judging, including myself, whether she needs to make amends with this man or not or what.” (82:46)
  • Financial speculation and joking about Meghan joining Real Housewives: “They probably thought, this is going to last forever. The deals have run out...We're just waiting for her to join Beverly Hills Housewives.” (84:36)
• Jacques’ Sketch Comedy Pitch:
  • A parody featuring Meghan working at SUR for Lisa Vanderpump: “How amazing would that be? Like, if I was doing a sketch show...a parody of Vanderpump Rules. And we have a new waitress, and it’s Meghan Markle making unfunny jokes and rolling her, like, doing her side work...then Thirsty Harry tries to come in...” (85:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Diddy’s Alleged Crimes:

  • “Pretty persuasive evidence...Diddy may have been completely responsible for not only Tupac...but possibly Biggie, too.” – Jacques (05:37)
  • “He was a dork that got power and turned. And I don’t think there’s anything scarier than a dork in school that then gets power.” – Jacques (23:20)

• On Reality TV Lawsuits:

  • “He should definitely sue Demi. Because...she is just quadrupling down on this, and there’s just more and more evidence that disproves her.” – Jacques (46:04)
  • “She is indefensible...I usually feel like I defend a lot of villains and she—icon.” – Heather (47:40)

• On Sydney Sweeney’s Statement:

  • “What was that word salad? Like, what the–” – Jacques (55:06)
  • “Who supports hate? Like, you know what I mean? I thought most people don’t.” – Heather (56:19)

• On Housewives Alliances and Endings:

  • “Garcelle blew you off because the show was over. You were a work friend. That's it.” – Heather (66:19)
  • “Garcelle is so unprofessional. She's a cow.” – Jacques (68:04)

• Midlife Crisis Archetype:

  • “Now it’s literally the cliche of...you hit middle age, and then the...your husband leaves you for younger women and is out partying and, like, playing the field.” – Heather (74:47)

• On Meghan Markle Joining the Bravo-Verse:

  • “How amazing would that be...a parody of Vanderpump Rules. And we have a new waitress, and it’s Meghan Markle...then Thirsty Harry tries to come in...” – Jacques (85:23)

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Episode Structure with Timestamps

• Diddy Doc Dissection & Music Industry Drama: 04:02 – 26:16
• Mormon Wives Reunion, Lawsuit, Scandal: 36:11 – 51:45
• Sydney Sweeney Media Mess: 53:22 – 59:22
• Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap: 64:01 – 77:46
• Vanderpump & New Reality TV Cast: 79:00 – 86:28
• Harry & Meghan, Future Reality Star?: 81:24 – 88:12

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Final Takeaways

This episode delivers Heather and Jacques’ signature mix of ruthlessness, humor, and industry insight. Whether dishing on alleged criminality, watching Bravo stars implode, laughing at PR blunders, or imagining Meghan Markle rolling silverware at SUR, there’s never a dull moment—and always plenty to debate. Juicy, biting, and unfiltered—everything Juicy Scoop listeners expect.

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Find Jacques on Instagram: @unpopularjp
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Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Jacques Peterson]

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[Jacques Peterson]

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[Heather McDonald]

Yes, still gay.

[Jacques Peterson]

Okay. Jacques Peterson, writer for the Daily Mail. Unpopular opinions that we actually love. But some of you get angry and he says, bring it on. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop, my friend. How are you?

[Heather McDonald]

I'm good. I can't believe I'm back again. I feel it's like five times or something. People seem to hate me more every time I come on. They were not happy with my Britney comments last time.

[Jacques Peterson]

So what is she up to now? I don't even know. There was something, something about. I saw a post about like either little boxing gloves or little, or little tutu shoes.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know last time I don't.

[Jacques Peterson]

Know what it was.

[Heather McDonald]

I heard, I was out, I was out on the town and I heard she's like launching a jewelry line. So.

[Jacques Peterson]

Oh, I definitely think she'll be able to pull that off. I definitely, I want to, I will definitely be going. She had all those pop ups that happen during the holidays. Little sip and shop. You just see Britney in a bikini and a felt leather hat.

[Heather McDonald]

She should do a fedora line.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah, fedora, fedora, felt hat and some brown sensible pumps and just you know, selling, selling some jewelry. You can sell her. Who knows. But let's get into so much is going on. The biggest, the number one show in the world on Netflix and the UK is the 5050 cent produced documentary Sean Combs the Reckoning. Now, full disclosure, you have not had the opportunity to watch it.

[Heather McDonald]

No, but it's all everyone's. I didn't realize it was such a big deal. You texted me about it and then on the weekend everyone kept going. Are you watching this Diddy documentary?

[Jacques Peterson]

We'll get a little into it. I'm gonna get my Juicy Skippers a few days to watch it and I'll probably get more into it on Wednesday. But it is so well done because as someone who covered the whole thing, sometimes when these documentaries come I'm like, tell me something I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

Too many documentaries.

[Jacques Peterson]

It did, it told me a lot of things I didn't know and it put a lot of things in clarity. And the clarity is Sean Puffy Combs was an untalented dork mouth breather who got too much power and became a monster. And 50 cents it does the is does the long game of revenge like no one else. And it was, was fucking great. And it just here's the things that, that are shocking.

Pretty persuasive evidence, based on who is interviewed on the docs, the timelines, news and footage, that Diddy may have been completely responsible for. Not only Tupac, which people thought, but possibly Biggie, too.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I wanted to ask you about that because there's been all these, like, conspiracies that he, like, has people killed and he put the bomb in Kid Cudi's car and everything. Does it get into all this?

[Jacques Peterson]

Oh, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

And, you know, with people just saying, this is what happened to me. He had this assistant who was part of the trial who. When? Cassidy. That's her name right now.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, Cassie.

[Jacques Peterson]

Cassie. When Cassie was talking to Kid Cudi, whatever, this assistant who was friendly with her, he, you know, Diddy found out about it, and this was in the trial, too, and took her and basically kidnapped her with a gun and went to Kid Cudi's house and all this. And so she's crying about it, telling the story of the control that he had, how scary it was. There was another assistant who said one day he took her to Central park and was like, I heard, you know Suge Knight. And she's like, well, I only know Suge Knight only through I'm very good friends with one of his baby mamas. Is like my best friend and still my best friend today. And he's like, just so you know, if any. If you, like, deceive me in any way, you will be killed in this park and no one will know about it.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God. So he's like a full on, like, mod. It's like the Godfather or something.

[Jacques Peterson]

Absolutely. That's why he wore, like, the Godfather. He's obsessed with. But he really. The thing is that he wasn't talented. He was not a good singer. He was not a good rapper. He was a horrible dancer.

[Heather McDonald]

He's ugly, too. He was never attracted.

[Jacques Peterson]

He was very unattractive, and he got uglier through the years. And the mouth breathing is another thing. People were, like.

Always like this.

[Heather McDonald]

You kind of look a weak jaw.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yes. A lot of people said, with all that money, why didn't you get a chin implant?

Just the dark eyes got darker and darker through the years with his evilness.

[Heather McDonald]

And he always had to wear the glasses because he was on the eye. Yeah, he looks so hideous when he took them off.

[Jacques Peterson]

And. Yeah, so it was. So that was. That was just those type of things they didn't really get. One thing that people said they didn't get into was Kim Porter, who was his wife. I think they were legally married. I'M not sure, but she was the main girl. Cassie was always the side chick. They knew about each other and she had three kids of his, Christian, I think. And then the Twin girls were 18 now and she mysteriously died of pneumonia. As healthy models often do that are dating or with P. Diddy and. But they don't. The doc didn't really get into that.

[Heather McDonald]

Legally, they probably put in legally, they probably couldn't go there, even though everyone has their theories. And wasn't she writing like she was trying to write a tell all or.

[Jacques Peterson]

Something before there was all of that, which was. We didn't know. Was it her? Was it someone saying that they were pretending to be her? You know, I'm sure there's. There are things in there that have been said about him and his life and stuff that are not 100% true, but there's enough that. And then what was weird is they feature this one girl who was on the jury and she is a very cute black woman and she is starstruck and I cannot believe, like, she is like, well, I mean, I grew up watching Diddy and this. I remember every episode of Making of the Band. You should not have been picked to be the jury. I don't know every episode of Making with a band. And I feel like I should not have been on the jury because I studied enough. Like, I thought they normally would try to really find people that really are just like, hey, I've seen his music. I'm not a hip hop head. No, this girl was like. She goes. And then he would look at us. Like, when this girl talked about her being kidnapped, that one assistant, he was like, looking at the jury like, yeah, right. And I'm like, yeah, that's a hard one to believe. People are like, what?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, there were people during the trial that were like, rubbing themselves with like baby oil and like holding signs and stuff that were like super fans and trying to go viral.

[Jacques Peterson]

Well, they also explained, like, they had a lot of TikTok content creators that were not like, allowed in the courtroom. But then his PR people would feed them the highlights. So then they would make the TikTok that would be like, oh, wow, that is. And I remember seeing those things that I'm trying to report on it because it's not like we could watch it on, you know, Court tv.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And. And I feel that, that, hey, that isn't that great for the prosecution. I'll see that. So they were feeding all those people.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

The info.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And, you know, he. He only got 40. What did he get four years or 44 years? I think so. I think, you know, then allegedly 50, 50 showed a like, funeral arrangement that was sent from P. Diddy and posted that. I don't know if that's true. Like that. That's just kind of funny.

[Heather McDonald]

It could be anyone could have sent that to.

[Jacques Peterson]

It could have been anybody. It could have been 50 Cent.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Sending it. Because he is just the king of, you know, remember Randall Emmett, Give me back. Give me my money. And he's like, so sorry, 40 it's coming. Like he is just when people, people are like, you know that expression, like, you know, you know, what would Jesus do? It's like, if you want to be petty, just say, what would Curtis 50 Cent Jackson do? And.

Now all this stuff is coming up. For some reason he has a beef with Ja Rule. And so he was on Stephen Colbert's.

[Heather McDonald]

Show that goes way back. Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And he's like, tell me about what your beef is about with Ja Rule and what did you do? And he goes, well, I saw that he had a show and I looked up the tickets and I bought every single ticket in the first three rows. It was only like $3,000. So then he would come out and performed at the first three rows, completely empty. I mean, just the five steps ahead of the hate. It's just amazing.

[Heather McDonald]

Is that why Chelsea's still so nice about him? She's always like, he was amazing.

[Jacques Peterson]

So. Okay. So funny that you bring up the Chelsea thing. So here I am with. With him. So I.

[Heather McDonald]

Look, were you dating 50 Cent by this moment?

[Jacques Peterson]

I'm not, but this is like a funny story. So this is, I think 2011 or 2010, I think. No, it was December something of 2010, I think. And he came on the show and they hit it off and they started to date. I think the whole thing lasted like a month.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

And. But on one occasion I opened for her. We did take a private jet because I remember him being in the jet with us and it was a big arena in. In New Jersey and it was kind of great because that was her hometown. And I remember this girl from like high school came backstage and they were filming stuff like they were gonna do a doc about Chelsea on tour, but it never went anywhere. And I was like, chelsea, this is that Madonna truth or dare moment where the childhood friend comes and asked Madonna, will you be the godmother to my fifth child? And Madonna's like, like, I barely remember you. I remember we fingered each other in your parents bed. Remember that? Like, this is the Greatest moment. And so anyway, she comes, and this girl's like, oh, you know, my mom really wants you to come over to our house tomorrow for brunch. And Chelsea's just kind of like, yeah, okay. And then Chelsea, she leaves. And Chelsea's just like, that girl was so horrible. And, like, this is my recollection, okay? And I have a pretty good one. This girl was, like, a bully. The girl probably doesn't remember being a bully. She's probably just like, oh, my God, I know a famous person. I bought tickets. I'm able to come. But meanwhile, like, here's, you know, 50 Cent, who's, like, kind of her boyfriend. I mean, it was a really great moment. And so anyway, he was. He doesn't. He doesn't drink at all.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Jacques Peterson]

And so he would just. He was just chill and, like, would take naps and not drink and, like, work. Like, he was so normal. And so anyway, we took this photo, and I think I posted it. And then I get back to the office at Chelsea Lately, and somebody. I think Us Weekly may have written a small blurb about it, but the Chelsea Lately people always wanted to fuck with me. And so they made it, like, a bigger thing deal. And which I was like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm Nest Weekly. Maybe it was all made up. I don't know. But they changed my age to old. Much older.

And whatever I was at the time, I was like, 40. They made it, like, 44. And I was like, what? I got 44?

[Heather McDonald]

Like.

[Jacques Peterson]

And so, I mean, it always was, like, not. Not the fact that, like, I've got my legs wrapped around a black wrapper, and I'm like, a married mother of three. I was just like, how dare they say? And they were like, we knew that would be the thing that made you crazy. I'm like, yep, it did. It made me crazy. So anyway, he was really sweet. I remember then we went to Chelsea's brother's house, and we went and drove in his, like, bulletproof car.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, wow.

[Jacques Peterson]

And he played some music for us. And I have a photo of that, too.

[Heather McDonald]

And you're pretending to know the lyrics or something.

[Jacques Peterson]

No, it was like a new song.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I love this music.

[Jacques Peterson]

No, it was a new song. But I did, like. I mean, everybody liked that. Everyone likes, you know, it's your birthday and all this stuff, you know, I mean, he just knew the hits. And so that was it. So it was a very short thing. And they just both only spoke highly of each other, so it wasn't but he was a good time. And I realized, like, maybe that was the attraction. He did, like, comedy. Like, you know, he's very funny and has an appreciation. And the Dave Chappelle bits are coming out. When Dave Chappelle had his show, he did a bunch of sketches making fun of Diddy.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

And the biggest thing is that. And I remember seeing this going, this is weird. At the MTV Awards, literally weeks after Biggie died, was shot to death. It starts out with this choir, and then Diddy comes out and is dancing poorly and it's missing you. And then nobody's cheering for him until Sting comes out and then joins and they did a mix of the song. And. And then in the doc, it shows. Not only did he then throw this big funeral for Biggie, he made Biggie's estate pay for the funeral.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, wow.

[Jacques Peterson]

He didn't even pick up, like, the deli sandwiches from Brent's deli. He did not even do that. Like, so people like, imagine your best friend is responsible for your death and is dancing horribly. And then after that, once he got rid of Tupac and Biggie, allegedly, then he was actually the one singing the songs and doing the mixes and all that. And then, of course, he had the show Making of the Band. And then, you know, Aubrey o' Day is on it. And that's a very disturbing element of the show. So you guys can watch. I'll talk more about it on Wednesday. But is really, really well done. And it really just shows you the kind of person he is. And I mean, you know, I don't even know how many men and women he has violated over the years that have stayed silent because they were told, you have no choice. And then the other thing is, he really fucked over people that were legit working for him. He, like, just wouldn't pay people.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, he was a terrible manager, like, because I used to cover the music industry back in the day, and all of the bands that he managed in the bands from making the band were all like, they all wanted their money, they were getting ripped off. The promotion cycles weren't right. Like, everything. Like, he wasn't good at his job.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah, there's so many people that, you know, are traveling the world doing all this stuff. I mean, there's been so many stories about that in the music industry. He's not the only culprit of it, where the band just never gets paid or they sign this long contract, like he did with cassie. 10 year, 10 album deal, no song ever came out. You know, then she was Sucked into that awful, toxic situation. And yeah, it is. It's all the people that you. That we reported on over the years that had lawsuits and things, they're all talking. And then a lot of the footage was him. Six days before his arrest, he had a film company filming him. So in order to make his own doc when he prevailed. And the reason 50 got it was because he never paid those people.

[Heather McDonald]

No way.

[Jacques Peterson]

So then the filmmakers went to those people and was like, we'll pay for that. That footage. Great.

[Heather McDonald]

Wow. Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

I mean, it just the ultimate. And then. And then 50 Cent does an interview. And he chose to do it. Of course, everyone wants to interview him. He chose to do it with abc. Cause he knows that's the only network that they air in prison.

And so then he'll have to see it.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, finally a documentary that people want to watch instead of, you know, where's Amy Bradley? And it's like 10 episodes and we still don't know.

[Jacques Peterson]

No, this. There could have been more. This, there could have been. Like I said, they don't really touch about JLo, what happened at that nightclub that night. And they didn't really get in. They do talk about that. A woman was shot and a guy took the fall for it. And again, most likely, it was him. I remember meeting with a manager back in 96 or 7, and.

He was telling me that he was dealing with JLO and.

And P. Diddy or whatever he was at the time, Puffy. And he's like, yeah, I go to this meeting and he just puts the gun on the table. And at the time, I was like.

So, like valley and naive. I just thought maybe that's what rappers do now. Like, maybe guns are like cell phones. I literally didn't know. I was like, is that that weird? I mean, it's not like you got shot, but now I'm like, no, that was like a power scary move.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, people in Alabama are walking around with, like, machine guns strapped to them at, you know, Walmart. So I don't know if that's strange, but.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah, I mean, I. At the time, I was just kind of like, oh, it's, you know, I mean, he called himself bad boy, you know, but. And he acted like he grew up in Harlem. He went to a, you know, a private Catholic high school also.

[Heather McDonald]

He. He didn't have like a street life. Like, he makes out. He was like a private school boy, right? Oh, I think that's a lot of them. You know, Tupac was like, went to a performing arts school and was yeah. Was a little fruity or something.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. When they show old videos of him. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You're like, wait, that's not rap videos.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. He. I think he went to art school with Jada Pinkett.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And they were like best friends.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So a lot of it's all. It's just image, like most stuff is. But I know that JLO wants nothing to do with the Diddy stuff. I've. Her publicity team are very.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You want.

[Jacques Peterson]

You want people to forget that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. They freak. I mean, I know for a fact, like, they freak out if her name is mentioned in any stories Diddy related. They're not happy. So she wants, like, she's trying to get so far away from it, which.

[Jacques Peterson]

I'm sure she blame her. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm sure she had nothing to do with it. It's some guy she dated 20 years. Yeah. To further her career 20 years ago.

[Jacques Peterson]

And just like every. Just like any relationship, whether it's working or romantic, if. If the. The perpetrator will or whatever might. Might have treated her very nicely. They might have. It might have been platonic. It might have been all for show. It might have been a nice relationship. I don't. He may have never put his hands on her. Girl he was able to control more because the girl that he did get shortly after JLo, Cassie, she looks like JLo. He certainly has a type. And 50 Cent's mother of his child allegedly was also dating Diddy.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

And that's where the long beef comes to. And that child is 13. And somewhere she denied it. There's a Jane Doe that's part of a lawsuit and they think it's her. She said it's not. She's, you know, gone more private and she's a model and. And whatnot. But she is sort of. She sort of looks that style too, but she looks to be like a mixer Asian, but very. I mean, all the women are attractive and I mean all. Yeah. He'd pick and. And he would go after, like, guys that he. That were super talented, that he was jealous of. He would. He would purposely go after their women.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Jacques Peterson]

Or their side chicks or whatever. Whoever girl they were involved with that he thought he could woo with money. He went after that.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

Like, he was just so jealous of these men that were successful and that were talented because he's not talented. Like, he's not a singer and a dancer. He was a dork that got power and turned. And I don't think there's anything scarier than a dirt a Dork in, in school that then gets power. And I'm not saying they all do, but the ones that do are way worse than the. The captain of the football team where life came easy to him and then that guy becomes successful.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I totally agree.

[Jacques Peterson]

That guy is way. That guy's not necessarily meaning to assault anyone because his life was very nice, in my opinion. I'm just generally speaking, relax, people.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. No. One thing I notice, even just being in LA and in the business, the people that aren't very good at their jobs, they seem to be the worst in general because I think deep down they know it. Yeah. And whereas I think the people that are just confident and really good at things, there's more of an ease about them.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, and a confidence. But yeah, you have to watch out confidence.

[Jacques Peterson]

And they're, they're more lovely and they're more helpful and everything.

[Heather McDonald]

And they're not constantly on the defense of thinking someone's trying to steal their spot, you know, Whereas the insecure people, everyone's a threat to them because they know that they don't deserve to be there. So they play dirty.

[Jacques Peterson]

So anyway, it's very, very good. And yeah, they. Yeah, it's like Eminem tried to tell us. A lot of other people tried to in music and stuff. This was always the talk. I remember when I was doing Lyricist Lounge, which was the show on MTV in 99 and 2000 and it was like unliving color but sketch. And we had this cast that was like Tracee Ellis, Ross and I were like actors on it and a couple other guys. But then it was really these guys that were lyricists that would like write a whole sketch but like a rap. And I remember there was a bit in the rap, like, and I'm the gay rapper. Like there was this whole thing. Who is the gay rapper? And Wendy Williams was like, it's Diddy.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And then she like got fired from her, her radio show or someone. There was a hit out on her, the whole thing. And then there's a clip where she has Diddy on her show and she goes, well, she's trying to be nice and she's like, you know, I have a 16 year old son. And he goes, oh yeah, I met him backstage. And she literally like freezes. She's like.

Yeah, like she, she knew everything. And some people are like, now that she's like lucid and everything, like now she doesn't have the weird dementia. And then they're like, I wonder if she's doing this because now she feels safe.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, amazing.

[Jacques Peterson]

Like, how many people feel safe that not only he's in prison, but now it's all been exposed.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

There's nobody that's going to help him out or do his dirty work because he doesn't have power. He's not going to be able to music and things.

[Heather McDonald]

I still think you'll have a comeback. I think any. I think anybody can, because he's not even being locked away for that long. And you even said there was a girl. The juror. That was the jury that was, like, still a fan, so.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. But when you see this.

You'Re like, I don't care what.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. People are gonna see he's a disgusting person, but it's also gonna be, like, four years in the future. People have goldfish brains now.

[Jacques Peterson]

True, Dad.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, people were, like, trying to get rid of. You know, no one wanted to mess with Scientologists when we had all of the going clear and documentaries coming out. And then after a few years, people kind of, like, forgot. It's like, oh, there's a Scientologist.

[Jacques Peterson]

Oh, I have a good Scientology thing coming up on Juicy Scoop.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

We'll reignite it.

[Heather McDonald]

Bring it back.

[Jacques Peterson]

Bring it back. Oh, I want to tell this one story. This girl I came across, and this is. This is a look that's happening with a lot of women right now where it's like you wear every piece of jewelry, and she's chingling along, and she's. She's 53 and probably, like, a former model, and she talks about how she went to Saint bars with her girlfriend, and they ended up on this yacht with, like, Jon Bon Jovi. And then the yacht right next door, they get over there, and it's Diddy, and he's like, hey, girl. Hey. She's like, hey. Just acted like she knows him, and right away, like, she just got the ins. The. What do you call it? The intuition that something wasn't right. And this guy immediately, like, asked her to, like, go in the room and have sex or something right away. And then her friend was like. Her friend was there, and she goes, we need to get off this boat right now. And, like, have you seen that trend that's going on, like, TikTok and stuff that's like. It's good to that music. And it's like, 20 years ago, someone will ask you to go on a blind date. It's very important that you go on that blind date. And then the person shows, like, their wonderful life and marriage.

[Heather McDonald]

Have you seen this yeah, yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

There's one guy doing thing going. You know, when you're 37, the algorithm is going to show you a narcissistic trend for you to brag about the last 20 years of your life. It's very important that you don't do it. And then he's like.

Because I was thinking, I'm like, well, I saw that. I'm like, oh, God, like, what am I going to do? You know, talk about my blind date where I married my husband, or when I decided to start the podcast or whatever. Which is all fine. These, you know, but it's just like.

[Heather McDonald]

I think it's cute.

[Jacques Peterson]

It is cute. It just takes work.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And I'm too lazy to put it together, but I. I kind of like it with that. So long. But anyways, a lot of people are doing the opposite. It's very important that you don't.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

And so she didn't do that. But basically it was like, you know, all that, like, it'd be cool to do the trend of like when you got the opportunity to do something and you said no, like staying at this party and just. Why women especially. But all of us have it. But women have a certain. Because we need to be more aware of our around. Speaking of women. But there are always those instincts where you look back and you're like, oh, I did follow it or shit. I knew and I didn't. And this, this was sort of an interesting story. And clearly, like something was going on. And there was these clips of like him getting excited at like a fancy auction, being like, wait, wait, I'm gonna add two things. One's a recording session with me. I'll do it for your child. I'll do it for whatever. And another one is, Is coming to my house and we're gonna. It's a one night party, but I'm telling you, your ass won't wake up till Wednesday. And I'll probably be in the bed next to you. Like, there are just. Thank God for the Internet and these people that find this. Like, there is so much telling on himself and it's crazy. And then all the Ellen stuff, how they were asshole buddies and best friends.

[Heather McDonald]

I didn't realize.

[Jacques Peterson]

And oh my God, he was on all the time. Well, towards the end of Ellen, it was either P. Diddy or a Kardashian.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

Literally every week there was a Kardashian. Every other week it was P. Diddy and it was fucking weird.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And it's interesting that she doesn't live in America anymore.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, well, people still coming out. I feel like every couple of months there's like a new comedian or someone that was on her show that's like, and Ellen was mean to me and it goes viral again. So I don't know, like to wait for everyone she screwed over.

[Jacques Peterson]

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[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

Is basically what Carrie was originally going to wear for her wedding. And then at the very end she does end up wearing it and they have a small ceremony that is basically what she's wearing. It's like a 1940s jacket with like a, A, a skirt. It's like a. It's just so interesting.

[Heather McDonald]

I think my grandmother wore that when she got married.

[Jacques Peterson]

It's a very 19, like 50s look.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

But it's just funny that I saw that it was exactly what Sarah just Parker wore in the first movie, which I'm sure she never even thought of because she's probably put it behind her. But.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, Kim Cattrall is kind of obsessed with them. I mean I like Kim, but I do feel like she likes to. She'll do like an Instagram story or whatever that's like a, you know, like a sub tweet sometimes at the show. So maybe it was a. The.

[Jacques Peterson]

I have to say, next to her getting married, I think her other favorite day of the year was hearing that that and just like that got canceled.

[Heather McDonald]

She loved it.

[Jacques Peterson]

That had to have been the best day of her life. There's sometimes when bad news comes out of someone that you once loved that fucked you over and you are like, let me dance like P. Diddy on this person's grave. Let me get in a white suit and fucking turn on missing you and dance away.

[Heather McDonald]

Because yeah, sometimes you're googling that person waiting for the bad thing to happen for them or checking their LinkedIn. Like have they. Has she been fired yet? I do that. You know, it's coming. You're just waiting.

[Jacques Peterson]

Or you watch a doc about a horrible tyrant person and you're like, yeah, I think I know the same version. I think I know who that person is. And you're like, okay, Amazing note. Yeah, I was. Sometimes I just wake up in the middle of night and think about and just like that and.

And that it's not ever coming back. And that I got so much out of watching it and hating it.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, everyone loved hate watching it. I always.

[Jacques Peterson]

It was the best hate watching situation ever because it was a small group of us.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I almost feel like more people talked about it than the original Sex and the City. I mean it was just like. I feel like every time it was out, it's all people talked about. I'm like, like it must be a hit cuz it's like, people won't shut up about was when.

[Jacques Peterson]

When the day. When that day struck, it was like a funeral for me because I. I felt okay. I pushed these people to the limit. Like, I'm responsible. And then there were so many dumb things, and I was like, I'm never going to see where they were going with the boringest storyline ever, which was this Nicole Parker pretending to be. I mean, her character was a documentarian, and she was doing a whole thing, like, for Netflix on powerful black women throughout history. And it just looked like the boringest show that could ever be. And I'm like, oh, we're never gonna see what happened with that boring piece of art. We're never gonna see Michelle Obama's guest appearance. Like, we're never gonna see it. It's over now, Heather. You ruined it.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, it was like when they got rid of Shay Diaz and then everyone was like, oh, we want her back now. Or whatever her name was. Was that her name? Shay Diaz, their name.

[Jacques Peterson]

And yes, I. I miss the Shay Diaz of. It was the best. The pilot that she. That Miranda became like a TV wife. And all of it, it was just so bad. It was so amazing. And I'll never get to relive that time of my life again. It's a high. It's a highlight of the Juicy's Cube history for sure of this show, Mormon Wives. Okay, we had the reunion. Stassi was the host. Stassi. And.

I mean, what do you think?

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, first of all, I thought Stassi did such a good job, and I was ready to hate on her because I hated when they put Nick Viall as the host last season. I don't think he was good and he was biased, and he just doesn't have, like, a big enough personality. Yeah. You know, his whole thing is he's like. It's like, did you take a Xanax? Like, he's always kind of, like, sleepy and judgy, so I didn't think he was good. And then when they put Stasia, I'm like, can we stop putting reality stars to host other reality stars reunion? But I thought she did amazing.

[Jacques Peterson]

I thought she was a great choice one. She has a show on Hulu. Yeah, she did the Villa. She, you know, is older than these girls, which. There was this moment. There's times in life where people will come up to me and they're like, oh, my God. And I'm like, oh, hi. And they're like, I used to watch you with my mom. We bonded, you know, And I'm like, or you're my mom's favorite. And there's a scene in Feud, that Ryan Murphy show about Joan Crawford and Bette Davis, where they're filming the show and this actress comes up to Joan Crawford. No. Yeah. Comes up to. And she's like, hi, I'm play the neighbor. And she's like, oh, nice to meet you. And she goes, can I get assigned an autograph? You're my grandmother's favorite. And then Joan Crawford goes over and she's like, we need to fire her. Like, she will be fucking the director. And I know you, Bette Davis and I hate each other, but we need to fire this dumb twat. And it is so good. But anyway, there's this moment where Taylor. What's her name?

[Heather McDonald]

I was gonna bring this up.

[Jacques Peterson]

Taylor Frankie hall is. They're, like, just settling. They haven't started. And Stassi's there, and she goes, hi. She goes, yeah, I know we haven't met, but everyone tells what's the show you were on? And she's like, vanderpump rules. And she goes, yeah, I've never.

What's her name? Taylor. Frankie.

[Heather McDonald]

Taylor. Frankie Paul.

[Jacques Peterson]

Taylor's like, I. I mean, I never saw it, but people say, like, I remind them. You remind me. I don't know. But.

[Heather McDonald]

So I guess I have to watch it now.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah, I have to watch it now. I'm like, oh, my God. And then. But, you know, first she sat there and she handled it well. But it's like, even Stasi has to realize, like. Like, wow. Yeah. These girls are 15 years younger than you.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Like. And they have three kids that are on their third marriage.

[Heather McDonald]

And Vanderpump is more. It's a millennial era show, really. If you go back for when it started, I mean, imagine if someone from the Hills was hosting. They wouldn't. They probably wouldn't even know what the Hills was. Taylor Frank. My grandma used to watch the Hills. Lauren Conrad, you know, like, they wouldn't even know.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. I mean, I know it because my kids are in their 20s, so there's lots of times where I'll be like, wait, do you know what that is? And half the time they do, and half the time they don't. You know, it's like. But you forget because you're just walking around thinking people know this, or whatever. But, yeah. So it all came down to a couple. A couple of the juicy parts. One is Dakota, who is the dad of the Taylor, Frankie Paul, who's going on to be on the Bachelorette?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. She's doing the Bachelorette?

[Jacques Peterson]

Yes. Oh, and they're filming right now?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, they're filming it. It's crazy. I feel like they're just filming non stop. I mean, they're filming the season while they're filming the reunion, while they're filming Dancing with the Stars and the Bachelorette. I mean, they're doing a lot.

[Jacques Peterson]

I know someone who flies a helicopter and they sent me a photo from the sky of the whole place lit up.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, really?

[Jacques Peterson]

It must have been one of the. Or a rose ceremony or something. Yeah. So they must be in those first few weeks of. Of before they start going on trips and stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

But, yeah, so he wrote on his page, Dakota, when you realize you can date 30 girls without being on a TV show. He's a nightmare.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's horrible.

[Jacques Peterson]

He's a nightmare. And it comes out that he was sexting the mom, Taylor, Frankie, Paul's mother's.

[Heather McDonald]

Friend, a family friend that she met at the gym, that they were like.

[Jacques Peterson]

That she was trying to be a helpful therapist to their up relationship and then started to send, you know, sexy photos.

[Heather McDonald]

She sent a silhouette. They kept saying it was a silhouette.

[Jacques Peterson]

And he's like, look, I know that was a mistake. I shouldn't have taken out my shirt. And she's just like nostrils flaring. And it's just, you know, it's crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

Because Taylor, Frankie, Paul, she does come off like she's being insane the whole time. So you kind of believe that she's crazy and then she gets vindicated at the end. Yeah, like, oh, her intuition was telling her, like, don't get on the boat or whatever. Like, like she, she knew something was up. So, yeah, he's awful.

[Jacques Peterson]

I think it's a great choice for the Bachelor, I think, is that show, I think ever since Chris Harrison and just it's been on a long time and I think you, you know, it's. It was a brilliant idea. Again, abc, so, like, you know, being all within the same company, I think is smart.

[Heather McDonald]

They try to copy Bravo. Juicy too.

[Jacques Peterson]

Like, what guy is really going to be like, hey, I'm ready to take on a woman who's not only already hugely famous, but has two baby daddies I'm gonna have to deal with and, and a swinging history. And also, did you see when he's like, you were sexting me last night? She's like, yeah. And so I'm like, that's another thing. Like, I mean, I have to say if, if it was my son going on the Bachelor and he got down on one knee. I. I wouldn't be overly thrilled about it. No offense. Well, you'd be happy a lot to take.

[Heather McDonald]

You'd be happy for the Instagram followers he would get. But I think everything else that comes with her. But I think they're trying to kind of copy Bravo because Bravo now is doing all of these crossovers. I mean, 90 Day Fiance does it as well. So now Hulu's like, we need our own thing. So it's like, let's, you know, it's Disney. They all own. They're under the same thing. So it's like, let's put this person on Dancing with the Stars, this person on Bachelorette, These ones on Vanderpump Village. You see, they've got dad talk. The dads did the new season of Vanderpump Villa.

[Jacques Peterson]

There you go.

[Heather McDonald]

And then Mar Marciano's back. I thought he got fired off Phantom Pun Biller. So now he's back.

[Jacques Peterson]

So as you know, Marciano was on my show and he was a total delight behind the scenes. He was extremely nice and respectful. His people reached out to come on these people.

[Heather McDonald]

He's got like a whole team. Marcia.

[Jacques Peterson]

No, I'm all about one person. But, you know, I had Hannah who was on the Villa, who is his ex girlfriend. Or I think they're still either. Maybe they're trying to make it work, but they have a good relationship now.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

And she's had his back during this. These accusations in which Demi says whatever little flirtation, make kiss, whatever happened, it wasn't what she wanted.

[Heather McDonald]

She says it was. She called him a sexual predator and said she was sexually assaulted. She's very vague. And then she says that it was a butt grab. I mean, it's just ridiculous. No one agrees with her. Believe. So this is, by the way, Janet got so much on the Valley. This is so. A thousand times worse than like, you know what I mean?

[Jacques Peterson]

So bad that even if what she's saying is true and you've been flirting and talking and holding each other's hand and saying it's close. And he kind of tapped her out.

[Heather McDonald]

Consensual, floating, telling me that that is.

[Jacques Peterson]

What'S sending you over the edge. Crying as. As your co star across the way recalls being completely. Yes. No, they had, I'll say, essayed, graped, whatever. Like, and then she's like, yeah, this is just like, really triggering for me.

[Heather McDonald]

Unbelievable. It's jaw dropping. It's shocking. I couldn't believe it. And you know what?

[Jacques Peterson]

I am. Like, you're not Cassie.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Jacques Peterson]

Like, what are you talking about? Where you. You were in a horrible situation, but you still were texting romantic for the next. You've been together with 10 years. It was two days. Like, it was. I don't even know. I don't know what. But when I had him come on, I posted that he'd been on and coming on the next day. And Demi, who was on my show with Jen, now they don't like each other. Jen affiliated. Like, I was like, one of the first podcasts they did before the show aired. And they were both lovely and nice. And so, you know, I guess she thought that was. She was mad. I didn't even know what the scoop was. So I was like, I didn't know that there was an even an essay thing happening. And so then she writes in my thing, like, how dare you have this person that is a. Like a convicted. Whatever she said.

[Heather McDonald]

She said something about his criminal history.

[Jacques Peterson]

Has a criminal history. I was like, well, if you'd like to come back on. Come back on. Like, he has a right to tell his story. Well, now he is suing, and he's suing her. And Jeff Jenkins production, who produces the show. She has herself revealed that things were somewhat scripted, planned. Planned out where she was going to have a cliffhanger moment with that guy Dakota, who dated Taylor.

Like, so it looked like they're having an affair, but then it wouldn't be okay. Like, that they. These are also shocking. She's spilling all the secrets.

[Heather McDonald]

She also. I remember that, but they also said that she kind of came up with that as an idea that that wasn't production. But I have heard from a few people the show is quite staged. Like, it's one of the more staged shows, I think. Yeah. But there's obviously a lot of real stuff going on there. So it's quite hard when you're watching it. It's hard to tell which parts are staged and which aren't because there's just so much going on.

[Jacques Peterson]

He said. Marciono said that, like, when Layla approaches Jesse about sleeping with Marciano in this scene in the car, like, they already planned. She already knew that was happening, going to happen, and that's why she was like, what? And so I still don't get the whole thing of how he felt Demi set him up. And that's why he said that he and Jesse went all the way when in fact they didn't. I don't get why he did that, but at least he's Come clean and said it didn't happen.

But what do you think about suing?

Do you think that is to me.

[Heather McDonald]

He should definitely sue to me. Because the fact that she is just quadrupling down on this, and there's just. There's more and more evidence that just disproves her. And she's on the show. Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

They say Lisa has. Lisa has said, I've seen the footage, and there's no such thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And she's using all of the, like, me too. Language of, like, you're victim shaming. How dare you not believe, you know, a woman's experience. She's, like, falsely comparing her situation with Marciano to, like, her cast mate. That was, like, you know, a relative molested me at 6 years old. Like, it is.

[Jacques Peterson]

I just think. I think it's gotten to a Jussie Smollett level.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, me too.

[Jacques Peterson]

Where you. Where you cannot now come forward and say, all right, Like, I didn't know what to do. I was freaking out. I'm in this marriage. I'm on this TV show. It's all happened too fast, and I. I did the wrong thing. It's too late now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That's what she needs to do.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I mean, even now, I mean, but it's still better than, like.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, legally, I guess she can't. But she did this to the other guy.

[Jacques Peterson]

What other guy? Oh, Chase. She said that Chase somehow brushed up against.

[Heather McDonald]

He put his hand. He just put his hands on me. And then a meathead boyfriend went over. Yeah. Husband went to get a physical fight.

[Jacques Peterson]

Wasn't it literally, like, someone going, oh, excuse me, I'm gonna get a drink or something? Wasn't it, like, nothing?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he just brushed past her, and then she goes, he just put his hands on me. And then her husband ran over to punch his head in. It's shocking.

[Jacques Peterson]

I mean, like, what do you say? Like, you can. Like, you can't go, excuse me. Or like, oh, hi. Like, nothing.

[Heather McDonald]

She is indefensible. And I usually. I feel like I defend a lot of the villains and she. Icon.

[Jacques Peterson]

It's. You know, I just. I hope that, like, whatever this happens, I understand why he's doing it, but I hope he doesn't then get punished.

With even, you know, less opportunities coming his way. Because he spoke up.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Just like a woman speaks up and then gets blackballed from this industry.

I. It would be. I don't want it to happen to him either. And, you know, it's like, I think.

[Heather McDonald]

A lot of the girls on the show, I kind of felt bad for them. So they were all trying to be. They clearly didn't believe to me at all. They were also sort of being manipulated by Demi as well, because she was giving them a false kind of version of events. Yeah. But they were, they were treading the line very carefully because they're trying to be like, well, I don't want to, like, question a woman that's had an experience. They wouldn't just really flat out come and say she's full of. So I can kind of get his perspective where he feels like maybe the show didn't come out strong enough in like, like showing that I'm innocent. Yeah. Like, so I don't know. I see where he's coming from.

[Jacques Peterson]

Oh, yes. I mean, I, I, I definitely think between my episode and what happened in social media in between, she had the opportunity to. But see, the reunion had already been filmed.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Jacques Peterson]

And he, I said, why don't you go on it? And he goes, well, I can't say. I can't reveal why didn't. I was supposed to and I didn't. So then I think she buried herself deeper. And then he felt this was his only recourse.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, at least he's back on the show. He's back on Vanderpump Villa. So this shows the network's kind of supporting him, I guess.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. I don't. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you think she's going to be back for the new season? Because I don't know how they could. But it's like the show is just filming continuously, it seems. So I assume she's probably already has filmed for season two.

[Jacques Peterson]

I mean, when someone gets themselves in this position, I always just feel just like a Blake Lively, which people are comparing her to her to be like the poor man's Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. Sometimes the easiest way to get back in the good graces is you wait a couple years, then you're divorced, and then you blame it on the husband. And that's like it. I just don't know if you're gonna stick, stick, stick together, then there's no way that you then can somehow get out of what. She buried herself exactly what it is. Blake said all this happened with Justin. We know there was more to the story than that, but with Justin and, you know, Baldoni. But I don't know how you get out of it. Unless you say, I was scared of my husband and that's why I did all this shit.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you think her Demi and Brett, her husband, are Going to end up on Onlyfans soon once they're off the show. Because they're already. I mean they've. They've been talking about, you know, peeing in each other's mouths and all of.

[Jacques Peterson]

Their freaky MLM that doesn't exist anymore too. Oh, a multi level marketing. And he is very good.

[Heather McDonald]

And they're both good looking in a porn star way because have you seen all the surgery? Have you seen what she looks like before? Yeah, yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And you can tell she's jealous. When she was like being mean to Jen Affleck when she's like, you were busy making money over a Dancing with the Stars. Like she is jealous.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, she's so jealous.

[Jacques Peterson]

The re. The way she met her husband was. He was like within the community. He was recently divorced from a Real House of the Salt Lake City.

[Heather McDonald]

The other blonde, pretty Jet Harrington.

[Jacques Peterson]

Oh, sorry, Jet. Yeah, yeah, Angie Harrington. And she and her husband knew him and they knew someone or they thought you should be on the Bachelor. So I was like, oh, so you were looking to be on TV back with your first husband when you were basically helping your neighbor be cast and things. He went out for the Bachelor, didn't get it or chose not to do it. Then they started liking each other. Then she divorced that husband, got with him and yes. And so yeah, they're, they, they're very attractive. They want to be definitely keep this going. So who knows. But this, when you go with this kind of like lie.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, that's why I'm saying they're going.

[Jacques Peterson]

To end up and gross. They're going to end up to make light of it and be like, oh, you're going on Traders.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, yeah, no, no, I don't think people are going to car.

[Jacques Peterson]

But then Jesse Smollett was on Traders. No, no, he wasn't on Traders. He was on Special Force.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe she'll get on. Here are the shows I think they. She might get offered. Okay, the sas, the World's Toughest Test or whatever.

[Jacques Peterson]

What is that?

[Heather McDonald]

That's the. Oh, no, that's the Australian. Sorry, the. What's it called here? Special Forces. Yeah, sorry, in Australia it's called sas, the Special Forces where she's got to crawl in the mud and everything. Like she'll probably get out in episode one and then maybe House of Villains and I think that might be it.

[Jacques Peterson]

I just think it's really hard because what she's famous for, it's not like the Monica who just had like a snarky page.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

From Real House of Salt Lake City and talk some. And called some girls fat or whatever on the Internet. This is like.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, well, you know, she wasn't even in Mom Talk. Like, I think she was one of the last people cast because she heard all the girls were filming when they were doing the first season. Then she kind of, like, inserted herself in late. And then if you remember season one, she was a fan favorite because she was getting in and, like, attacking Whitney all the time. And she. Yeah, she was a fan favorite season one. And then from season two and three, she's, like, the most hated person on television. Sometimes it's good to dip out after your first. If you have a really killer first season. Sometimes I kind of think, you know what, just quit and then.

Like, Liam McSweeney should have done that. Can you imagine if she had just quit after the first season? Her whole life would be different from reality.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. Yeah. It is really hard how much she and Jesse look like each other. Besides the eye color, it's literally the same face. So Sydney Sweeney finally is. Addresses, addresses. The jeans ad scandal admitting her silence only fueled the fire. Now, this is from the Daily Mail. What does she say?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, so she put out a statement. So if you knew that, like, the controversy about her has been building a building. And then it meets to the point. She was on a talk show the other day in the. They said she has a Megyn Kelly mar A Lago look. So she can't do anything now without. Without the scam. You know, it's getting. So she put out a statement. Let me read it.

[Jacques Peterson]

I will say, like, I think she was trying to just make it go away by not. I agree, too.

[Heather McDonald]

I think she.

[Jacques Peterson]

I thought it kind of did. Now. Now she, like, no, it wasn't.

[Heather McDonald]

It wasn't. I mean, I work at the Daily Mail. She is, like, the number one. Like, every day, it's Sydney Sweeney. I mean, people are like, whatever she's doing, whether it's all the political stuff with her or she's just, you know, in a bikini with a, you know, boobs out, which she's always doing. It's just like, people are obsessed. So she put out a statement. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm always trying to bring people together. I'm against hate and divisiveness in.

I always assume everyone's against hate and divisiveness.

[Jacques Peterson]

Really. I'm actually for hate and advice.

[Heather McDonald]

I. I really want to tear people apart.

[Jacques Peterson]

This would be funny if, like, this was also Kurtis 50 Cent and said the exact same Thing. Yeah, go on.

[Heather McDonald]

In the past, my stance has been never to respond to negative or positive press. But recently I have come to realize that my silence regarding this issue has only widened the divide, not closed it. So I hope the new year brings more focus on what connects us instead of what divides us. So it's kind of a nothing statement.

[Jacques Peterson]

What was that word salad? Like, what the.

[Heather McDonald]

It's a bit of a Meghan Markle type word salad.

[Jacques Peterson]

It was. Or. Yeah, it was a nothing. Like, well, what was it?

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, the controversy is people think that. That she's, you know, a political right winger or something, or that she did a white supremacist ad and that's what people are mad at. So I get why she's putting a statement. But the statement sort of doesn't say. Yeah, it just says, I'm not.

[Jacques Peterson]

I would have thought. To say is like, I thought it was about jeans. J, E, A N S. That's all I thought. I thought it was cute. I thought it was a parody of Brooke Shields. I agreed to do it.

[Heather McDonald]

I thought it was about her boobs. It's like, I've got great jeans. I've got gray jeans. Hi. Like, I thought that's what it was about.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. Then I'd be like, I can. This is what I would have said if I was her. I can see why people interpreted that way. I know we're in a volatile time. Wasn't my intent. I don't believe it was the intent of the person who wrote the copy. And that being said, I still really like American Eagle jeans.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, she has to be really careful because you don't want to get, like, sued by American Eagle jeans.

[Jacques Peterson]

No, just like, I really like the jeans, and I don't think that was the intention. And like, I was just doing an ad. I'm an actress, and this is what I do. I get sponsorships. I get brand deals.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think she should be more specific. You know, I think people are saying. Which is obviously really extreme, but people are saying, you know, she's a white supremacist and all this stuff. I think she should say a bit, maybe in a funny way of like, no, I'm not a white supremacist. Like, this is crazy. And then launch into the more exp. But I kind of feel like people want an explicit statement from her. So when you just come out with the, like, you know, I don't support hate. It's like, who supports hate? Like, you know what I mean? I thought most people don't like I.

[Jacques Peterson]

Just think it's really hard when you get all that and you're. Then you're also getting professional people in your life telling you what to do, and then you open your phone and read all the other things, and you're like, oh, my God. No, I. I don't want someone to think that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And I'm like. And it also must be very stressful because you're, like, so at the peak. Like, your. Your star's gone so big. Big that it's like.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it's still too big now.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. You are, like, it's. Yeah. You're, like, way bigger than Scarlett Johansson or anything ever was. There's only, like, what other actress is, like, sexy getting all these acting roles besides her?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, she need. I think she needs to take a minute away from the spotlight now because it's so overexposed. I don't know. Because it's like she's constantly doing movies as well. Like, she's. She has a lot of projects, so she's always out promoting stuff off.

[Jacques Peterson]

I mean, I think what's good is. Stop. Yeah, don't do interviews. Don't let people know your personality. Just do your work. Just be an actress. Just be like, yeah, I'm not starting a podcast. I'm not going to start doing TikToks. I'm just going to go be different people other than myself.

[Heather McDonald]

But you know what? It is hard because then she puts herself in positions like she was at the Bezos wedding, and then she's with Scooter Braun, who everyone hates.

[Jacques Peterson]

That's true.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's kind of like, you know, she's partying with Lauren Sanchez, like, so she's kind of with controversial people, but then saying nothing. So then I think it's led to people kind of, like, putting an image onto her.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I want to see her new. The new trashy movie the house made her and Amanda Seyfried. It looks like a lifetime.

[Jacques Peterson]

100% gonna go see that on a rainy day at a real movie theater that serves food and drink. That's what I'm going to do, either with someone or by myself.

[Heather McDonald]

I think that'll do better than the boxing one that flopped. You know, she. The lesbian boxer. You know, I knew that movie was going to flop because there's no market for that because it's a sports film. And the truth is, like, men aren't gonna go watch a sports film that's about a female boxer. Like, they're just not. And then women don't want to watch that. Like.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's also a bit like, you know, Sydney Sweeney, she's known for like a hot image. Right. She's always with her cleavage and stuff and sexy blonde bombshell. And then she's doing these like ugly roles that I think she thinks are making her more credible, but they're just flopping and no one wants to see it.

[Jacques Peterson]

I think was too early going the ugly route.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I think so too.

[Jacques Peterson]

I think she needed a few more hits under her belt and a few more years.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Because all of this, the opportunity comes up and you're like, yeah, let's do it, you know, And. And she probably did really love the story. I heard it's good, but, you know, it just wasn't a hit at the movie theater. But I think once it comes out, maybe people will watch it.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm sure it's good too.

[Jacques Peterson]

But I also don't like seeing women.

[Heather McDonald]

Beat each other up.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah, I don't like boxing in general, so I don't really. Certainly don't like it with females.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, all of her movies so far that have done well alike, like she had the rom com with Glenn Powell, the Netflix rom com that was like a number one smash hit. And then like Euphoria and like White Lotus and stuff. Like those are the things that are working for her. And then she's doing these like ugly roles that. Oh, did you watch the one with her? I love it. The one with her and Julian Moore where she's the drug addicted daughter. That's like a lifetime. It's on Apple.

[Jacques Peterson]

I started it, but I didn't finish it.

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's good. Well, it's bad, but it's good. It's like, it's like Apple doing a lot Lifetime movie.

[Jacques Peterson]

Oh, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

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Yeah, like a sexy car wash. Just like. I was like, is this no longer a reality show or is this supposed to show? That said, since she didn't get any money out of her divorce, she has to wash her own Porsche. Like, what is the point of that?

[Heather McDonald]

It reminded me of Wild things with Denise Richards washing the car.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. Also the burger, the. The Carl's Jr. And stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah, but her legs looked good. Yeah, she looked amazing. No, it was a lot of selling sunset slow mo intros.

[Jacques Peterson]

Sometimes I'm like, is a slow mo intro? Because there isn't that much juice to share.

[Heather McDonald]

I think, honestly, what it is is that it's an aspirational lifestyle show and people want to get a better look at the outfit. Outfit. So. Because it showed Dorit coming. She was shopping in Beverly Hills and shed all the logos and Chanel and her bags and stuff. And I think people just want to see, like, oh, where did she shop? Like, yeah, you know, how many logos can I count on her outfit?

[Jacques Peterson]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. And then they were, you know, came out about. You know, they're just kind of being harsh about Sutton and how. Oh, you're. Where did your assistant go? What happened there? Wow, who cares? Like, who cares?

[Heather McDonald]

Your thirsty assistant.

[Jacques Peterson]

He's a grown man. He'll be fine in life. Like, it just didn't work out. These relationships are meant to last forever, but people always just want to point it, like, oh, you know, she must.

[Heather McDonald]

Have been, you know, has he commented on it? Like, has he put out a story?

[Jacques Peterson]

Nobody went to Garcelle.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

That was a movie premiere. And then he go. He went to it. And I was like, garcelle. Like, come on.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, this is. So when I was on the show, so I. Maybe not the last time, but the time before I said I hated Garcelle and all your listeners were outraged. And it was just the comic. Literally. I was getting comments for weeks about it. This is what I'm talking about with Garcelle. She is so petty and jabby constantly. And, like, there's no need for her to bring Avi.

[Jacques Peterson]

She's.

[Heather McDonald]

She's the.

[Jacques Peterson]

The girl version of 50 Cent.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

I'm Gonna invite you and let me do you and Avi. I have said this, maybe I haven't said on this show. I was shocked to find out that Avi is married to a woman and has three kids.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, that's shocking.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. So maybe. So that's a lot. Maybe he wasn't as dedicated or as into it, you know, as the. As the cameras showed.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And, you know, everybody deserves to have an employee that wants to be there.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And maybe he was, you know, slacking off, and who knows?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

But like. Like, I don't like that. They were all like, oh, my God. And she lost Garcelle. Like, what? I'm like, well, come on. Garcelle blew you off because the show was over. You were a work friend. That's it.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, okay, two things. First of all, Sutton is, like, the queen of coming after people when they're going. After going through a hard time. So I think they're trying to give her a bit of her own medicine. That's a good point. You did this to us. Oh, what happened with Abby? What happened with Garcelle? So I think she's eating some humble pieces.

[Jacques Peterson]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

As far as her and Garcelle, of course, it was a work. It was an alliance. Dorit kind of says it in there. She goes, do you think it was more of an alliance? Which it clearly was. They were never real friends. I can't believe any of the viewers even brought into their. Their alliance. And Garcelle is so. This is what I cannot stand about Garcelle. She always does this stuff. Meanwhile, like, publicly, she's act. She's trying to act really classy. Like, oh, I left to spend time with my children, and I don't watch the show anymore. And, you know, I've moved on. I'm doing all these great things at Lifetime, but then she's doing really petty things, like, I'm gonna bring Avi to the premiere, and she would do that stuff on the show. And then if you called her out on it, that's a microaggression. You're being a. Karen would have. You said that if I was. You know, if I wasn't black. Like, she pulled that all the time. And then Bose came on the show, and she couldn't use that card anymore because Bose would have called her out, and she couldn't stand it. And then when she saw Sutton getting along with the other girls, and Garcelle got a little pushback at the reunion. She was not used to getting pushback. She, like, threw a tantrum and Stormed off and was like, I quit, and ghosted everyone. She's so unprofessional. She's a cow.

[Jacques Peterson]

And she ghosted everybody and literally never called or texted Sutton back. And Sutton tried for months. I'm sorry. That's not Sutton's fault. That's actually being a true friend and trying. And I really think. I know that she was really hurt by it and really thought it was real and really thought they could repair it. And then after, you know, a few months, you have to be like, all right. You know, that was one chapter of my life.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And that's that, you know, Garcelle was.

[Heather McDonald]

Very similar to Lisa Vanderpump in the fact that they were both snipers from the side. They both love to manipulate things and jab and everything. But then whenever it came back on them, suddenly the victim mentality came out, and everyone's ganging up on me, and I can't show up to the reunion. And this is. You know, they're all bullies. They're mean girls, and, you know, they would whip up the fans on social media. Like, I find Garcelle and Lisa Vanderpump very similar. So I am.

[Jacques Peterson]

I think there's such a good lesson to be had when they. When he goes, let's get a photo at the end. And she's like, no, I'm out. That's really embarrassing. I think. I think I've done that on a. Like, not a photo, but, like, I've been in those moments where. And it's good to see it, because. Don't do it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Be the unbothered queen. Take the photo.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think. Let people. Don't let them see you sweat that much.

[Jacques Peterson]

Don't let him see. Like, that's a really good lesson to just. In real life, you know, like, that just looked not good.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

And everyone's like, what?

[Heather McDonald]

And also, like, I think she was upset that Sutton was, I don't know, trying to befriend Kyle or something. But, like, Kyle was always nice to Garcelle on the show. Garcelle was the one. If you let go. If you guys. You want to rewind. Rewind the tape and look back at the episodes. Like, Garcelle came on the show just coming after Kyle. Like.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So, you know, I just think Garcelle's not nice, and I'm glad she's gone. And I feel like there was a lot more of a sisterhood vibe on the premiere.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Without her there. Like, you know, and Lisa Vanderpump was the same. I think that the women, when they filmed with Lisa Vanderpump, then Lisa Vanderpump left and Garcelle came on. I think some of them were scared to be vulnerable at times because they knew that either Lisa or Garcelle or Sutton would take that vulnerability and weaponize it against them for a show, for a storyline, you know, and. And I think some of the women do have genuine friendships. I mean, the viewers love to call out, you know, the Fox Force 5 or whatever with, you know, like, Teddy and Erica and Kyle and Lisa Rinna. But they're all still friends. They've all, like, left the show, and they still hang out. Out. Lisa Rino was at freaking diet Diana Jenkins house the other week. I think they posted on Lisa. Yeah. And so they seem to have the genuine friendship. Whereas with Garcelle and Sutton, it's like, as soon as you're not on the show, you're not talking to each other. So who had the fake friendship?

[Jacques Peterson]

They. I mean, this photo of them is gorgeous. They all look gorgeous. But I. I mean, I like Rachel Zo. I feel. I feel like we're getting a very different person. We're getting someone who's just like a dedicated mom who is very happy to. To get it out there that her husband's a dick.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. She's not happy with it.

[Jacques Peterson]

He cares more about his new girlfriend than his kids. And. And it's kind of a sneaky, smart way to do it because it's like, well, I'm on an ensemble, and the producer's asking me as I sit in this confessional chair. And. And I remember I interviewed her, like, around. Either we did a swap or something, but she had a podcast with him, and maybe he was there or not, but it was a zoom, like during COVID and it was about their relationship. And I just remember I was like, oh, my God, you know, so many people. You know, you've been together so long. Like, literally met in college and. And were together 18 years before she got pregnant and then had babies back to back.

[Heather McDonald]

And.

[Jacques Peterson]

And that's interesting, too, that she was like. That's what really changed it. Because I'm like. I'm like, God, you were together so long and you did a business. Why now? And, you know, it just happens. People change or they don't. And obviously. Yeah. And it's funny because people always thought. There was always rumors that people thought he was gay. Cause he was in the fashion industry with her. But no, he's with a girl. And it sounds like There definitely was an overlap of time.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah, she threw that one in there. She's like, you do the math. I loved that. Was their podcast, similar to Seth and Meredith Marks. Do you remember they had a podcast together?

[Jacques Peterson]

Like, in the bubbles or something? They're in the bathtub together.

Could you die? Could you die with that? That's like having a hairdryer, Right? If your. If your bike was plugged in and you dropped it.

Yeah, it was like.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Jacques Peterson]

Hanging by a thread or something. Yes, hanging by a thread. No, I know. Theirs was about thriving.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, theirs was about whatever, how successful they are.

[Jacques Peterson]

And as. As a marriage and a working relationship.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, you know, you either grow together or you grow apart. And. Yeah, they grow apart. But I think she's good on the show. I think she. She suits the show and her fashion.

[Jacques Peterson]

But it made me realize. Yeah. The only person that we've seen so far on the show that has a significant other is Bose.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that's true.

[Jacques Peterson]

She's got this boyfriend who they've only been together a year, and I'm like. And you already decided to, like, go through the process of trying to have a child with him? I think that's a little fast.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm a little worried about him, honestly, because he's.

[Jacques Peterson]

He.

[Heather McDonald]

He's very happy to film. I mean, he was filming last season. Yeah, he's filming this season. He. He's all over social media.

[Jacques Peterson]

It was interesting that everybody just came alone to the party, but then she brought, like, a family of four.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know. He. He seems to really like the spotlight in one way. That could be good. Because it's like, look, we're two people. We're both in it. And it's like Heidi and Spencer. Right? Like, but it can also be a red flag because sometimes it's good to have.

[Jacques Peterson]

Have the.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, it's like you and Peter, like, you're in the front and back, the shadows, like, because that's how it has to go sometimes.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. I mean, we'll. We'll see.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm rooting for them. I think Bose is great. I think she's such a good addition to the show. Like, I thought her and Erica kind of gossiping together about whoever Erica was screwing was fun. Yeah, I'm. I'm excited for the season. I think it's good. I'm waiting for that new girl. Sorry.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

I want her on there. I'm. She looks like the. You know what? I think people are going to be, like, getting along on the show. And then they had to drop that girl in is like the bomb to come in. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

I think she is going to be the bomb. Mauricio was dancing on a table. The. The thirst is beyond.

[Heather McDonald]

It's. It's just like, typical midlife crisis, you know, Kyle, we all looked at them as having this, like, fairy tale marriage of like, oh, my God, we all want to be like that.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And now it's literally the cliche of you hit middle age and then. Then the. Your husband leaves you for younger women and is out partying and, like, playing.

[Jacques Peterson]

The field, and he'll never emotionally fulfill. You know that.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, she spilled.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah, that woman was right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it's. It's just kind of like.

[Jacques Peterson]

I mean, because we never saw him be this cheesy. When she said that at that famous dinner party, the psychic at Camille's house, I was like, what are you talking about? He's kissing her on the cheek. He's loving her. He's such a great dad. No, this is the real, real Mauricio.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

What I want to do on a table doing tick tocks.

[Heather McDonald]

I want to know, was he always like this? And they just did a good job of keeping it from the cameras because they wanted to portray a certain image, or is it literally like kind of midlife crisis? Not saying that in a negative way. I'm just saying that he's single now, and he's like, look, I've been in this committed relationship for decades. Maybe they had some kind of, like, a little bit of a situation, but he's never really been able to be, like, out there in the open, like, partying. And maybe he's just like, like. I mean, I feel like me, I am in my late 30s, and I moved to LA, what, like, two years ago, and I go out a lot more than I used to because I just kind of feel like.

You know, like, I feel like I'm getting older and now I'm in, like, a new situation. Right. And I'm like, yeah, I want to go out and, like, have fun and have a great time that I didn't before. And I wonder if he feels like that I was married before, and now I'm like, I can play the field. Like, maybe he's just having a good time.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. And I think he's every right to do it. He has every right to do it and have his fun and whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

Cringe, but it's all. It's cringe, but it's like, it's not.

[Jacques Peterson]

He's not dancing with the stars. I mean, I think a lot of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, was he. Was he one of the people?

[Jacques Peterson]

Yes. He had something going on with the.

[Heather McDonald]

Girl, I think, even before they broke then. Because he did the buying Beverly Hills thing, too.

[Jacques Peterson]

I think all of it is. For some reason, she was able to keep him in humble mode for much longer than an average real house husband. And then I really think what happened was he got his own show on the Netflix. Then he also got the Dancing with the Stars.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And.

[Jacques Peterson]

And I don't know. I. Yeah. You know, yeah. She was able to keep it under control. And now it's like the toothpaste is out of the. The tube and there's now. And now there's no them getting back. No way.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. The thing is, as well, though, it's like we're all looking at Mauricio and cringing, for sure. But Kyle, also.

[Jacques Peterson]

She did a music video.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, she did a raunchy lesbian music video. She's out here with Morgan. Morgan Wade, and she's gonna make you love me. She's had a glow up and doing, like, sexier stuff, and she looks amazing. So great. They're both kind of doing the same thing in.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, he's a little more shameless.

[Jacques Peterson]

About it, but also right now, like I said, everybody is single.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jacques Peterson]

Except for this new girl. Even Jennifer Tilly. She sort of has a boyfriend, but we don't see her. Him.

[Heather McDonald]

Ever. Share him, whatever that situation is.

[Jacques Peterson]

You know, that's always kind of.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, Erica Jane has the. Spencer's bodyguard.

[Jacques Peterson]

I know. I hope we get to see him.

[Heather McDonald]

I think we're on a FaceTime, so.

[Jacques Peterson]

I don't know if he's the bodyguard. I think they met at the. At the. At the.

[Heather McDonald]

He's some. He's been friends with him.

[Jacques Peterson]

It's a hoka or whatever it is. The hoopla ufc.

[Heather McDonald]

No, no. Erica and him met there. Yeah, but he.

[Jacques Peterson]

He told me they actually didn't meet there. Somehow she saw him on a podcast.

[Heather McDonald]

But Spencer's been with that guy for years. They're friends.

[Jacques Peterson]

They're all friends. I mean, he was friends with them, and the guy is great. And I think they're still together, and I think he's such a good match for her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah, that's fun. I want to see more of them together.

[Jacques Peterson]

All right, let's get into Vanderpump, the new one. What do you think?

[Heather McDonald]

Think? I thought it was fun. I'm seeing a lot of negativity for it on social media. But I. I think everyone's gonna end up loving it with a few more episodes. I think it's just people miss. You know, people are never happy because before they're like, cancel Vanderpump rules. It's over. It needs a reboot. Then they reboot it. We don't want to watch new people. We want the old people. It's just, like, people are always going to be negative.

[Jacques Peterson]

It's weird to see them in the purple and. And being at Search. And the style of sir you know, has. You know, is what it is. It hasn't been remodeled.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Jacques Peterson]

So it's always empty. Feel like we're watching a show. Like you said earlier, before we started filming, it feels like we're watching a reality show from 2011.

[Heather McDonald]

Totally. I mean, they.

[Jacques Peterson]

But even the way they start. That way.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. It's shot that way. The way they're styled, like, their hairstyle and everything, they look like cheesy people from 15 years ago.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. On the CW, it's like. Like, it's kind of shocking there. There's also, like, a lot of Italians, and it kind of, like, at one point, I'm like, am I watching, like, Mob Wives? Is Big Ang gonna come out with some goat cheese balls? Like, what is this? But I kind of like that. They feel very different than the original cast. The only.

[Jacques Peterson]

The only storyline in the first show, first episode that I thought seemed lame and put up and maybe reenacted from a previous time is the one guy, Marcus, drinking on the job.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that was definitely fake. And then Lisa comes in to gross.

[Jacques Peterson]

And unappealing and, like, why are you drinking on the job? It's Sir. Like, why. These people don't even. This generation doesn't even drink that much anyway, so. Why. He's. He's from a shift.

[Heather McDonald]

He's from my generation. He's, like, 35. Like, he's. So he probably still does drink on the job like the rest of the drunk millennials. No, I. I think it's fun. I think they definitely reenacted stuff because it's a premiere. Like, you have to. To set things up.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I think the thing about Vanderpump rules and. And the. They captured this is it's not a show about people working at a restaurant. It's a show about people in their 20s that are in LA trying to be famous, and, you know, they're thirsty and they're all hooking up and partying and going to the same spots and, like, trying to make it. And I think that captured It. So yeah, these do feel like. They definitely feel like the thirsty transplants that come to la and they're trying to be influences and stuff. So I, I don't know, it captured the vibe.

[Jacques Peterson]

I hope there is enough for them to do.

Well. I'm just saying like business wise. Cuz every day you see like, you know, no production in la, no shows are in la. So I'm like, is there anything for these kids to do besides be waiters? I don't know. I hope so.

[Heather McDonald]

They're on Only Fans some of them. Two of them are on Only fans already.

[Jacques Peterson]

Good for them. Harry and Megan's Hollywood star are, is fading.

[Heather McDonald]

You don't say fast.

[Jacques Peterson]

These five years after the royal page break, she has a Netflix Christmas thing that I've only seen like clips and people ripping on that. She said a tradition of hers is going to get a Christmas tree.

And then he makes a surprise appearance like, you came down from upstairs, but we all know it's not their house.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And then so he's pretending to supposedly.

[Jacques Peterson]

According to the New York Post, Meghan Markle's father is not doing well at all. He just had his leg amputated in the Philippines. I don't know why he's in the Philippines, but you know, he's begging for her to come see him. And I think he's really, I think him and the older daughter, the half sister, it's just all of that's really ugly. And I don't think anybody should be judging, including myself, whether she needs to make amends with this man or not or what.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I agree with you. Like, you know, me and my mom always fight, right? And people, we have a great relationship, but we fight a lot. And sometimes people judge it from the outside. I'm like, like you, I don't actually know the whole history of our relationship together, so stay out of it. And I, yeah, I kind of feel for her. I mean.

Look, we know she's very image conscious, right? And she's getting into the royal family. There's a lot of pressure. By the way, I'm no Meghan Markle fan, so don't like, whatever scream at me in the comments. I hate her too.

[Jacques Peterson]

Sometimes people get mad if you, if you, you know, for, for talking about her so much.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, but whatever, I hate her too. But I'm just saying, like, I can imagine you getting into the Royal family when want to make a good impression and then Samantha Marle and Thomas come out, you know, whatever they did in the national inquiry, setting up Paparazzi photos and doing the tell all circuit. Piers Morgan. So, right.

[Jacques Peterson]

Her, like, you know, threatening to show up at the wedding. Sister that she, like, barely grew up with, like.

Yeah, I would be mortified for that.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel like, yeah, I would be mortified as well.

[Jacques Peterson]

But.

[Heather McDonald]

But, yeah, as far as her style.

[Jacques Peterson]

I mean, here's the thing. What is she supposed to do? She's supposed to turn down a Netflix kicking show?

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Jacques Peterson]

Is she supposed to turn down, you know, an easy to do podcast that gave her millions and she sat back and didn't even ask the questions?

[Heather McDonald]

But she could have done a better job.

[Jacques Peterson]

She could have done a better job with it. But it's like, be mad at the networks and stuff that gave her this thing. And, you know, now they have to support the family. Now they have a big, big expensive house, and. Yeah, no one cares anymore. Like, what. What's the scoop? You told us already that they were.

Like, so what else do you have? You have no other scoop? According to people, Prince Harry jokes that life with the Royal Family was like Downton Abbey. That's a. Isn't that show even on? Except the TV show had less drama.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I think now they're realizing that they need to start, you know, bringing out some juice again because people losing interest. So they have to start, like, we want to know, like, the juice on the Royal Family. So now they're starting to do that. I mean, Harry was not appearing on her cooking show, I don't think. And now you just said that he popped down on the Christmas special. So they probably think, oh, we've got to get some people to watch, so let's have a Harry cameo.

Yeah, I. Look, they probably have a very expensive lifestyle, too, because they bought the place in Montecito at the height of when they were getting, like, Spotify and Netflix were just throwing money at them.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And they probably thought, this is going to last forever.

[Jacques Peterson]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

The deals have ran out. I don't know, you know, what else they're getting booked to do? Really? I don't know how. Well, her petals and jams and stuff are selling online, so they're gonna have to make some serious money because it will cost a lot to maintain a home in Montecito with, like, the taxes and. And the staff and everything. So, you know, we're just waiting for her to join Beverly Hills Housewives. I think that's what we're all waiting for. It's going to happen eventually.

[Jacques Peterson]

Wait, I have a prediction.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jacques Peterson]

At Vanderpump Rules, we have a Very interesting waitress that came.

She knows how to do a side work like no other. We go way back since we both come from a small country called England. Well, she migrated in. I was there. And we get along beautifully, Charmingly. No. Oh, my God. How amazing would that be? Like, if I was doing a sketch show, that's what I would do right now. I would write a sketch that. A parody of Vanderpump rules. And we have a new waitress, and it's Meghan Markle making unfunny jokes and rolling her, like, doing her side work. Rolling her knife and fork and going around. And then Thirsty Harry tries to come in, and she's like, I want to help Harry. I do. I do. But I can't even make a pumptini. I mean, come on.

[Heather McDonald]

And she's putting rose petals on the goat cheese balls.

[Jacques Peterson]

You know what? The flowers are my thing. I appreciate that Megan wants to bring her expertise, if you call it that. But this serves my baby. And if we can't all get along, someone has got to go. You're fired. You're fired. Megan.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe they can be the next. They can do Vanderpump Villa. They can be one of the people that go stay there with Marciano and Starseed.

[Jacques Peterson]

Welcome to Vanderpump Hella. Mariana, I'd like you to meet who's going to be helping you make up the beds. Prince Harry.

[Heather McDonald]

I bet they were guests. Not making the beds.

You've got Megan scrubbing the toilet.

[Jacques Peterson]

The first season, they come as a guest.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. The second season, now they're working it.

[Jacques Peterson]

Yeah. Or they have their own. Or under her umbrella. She's like, wait a minute. She watches this episode, is like, wait a minute. Why don't we get them? Remember when Tori and Dean had their Airbnb in, like, Riverside in love.

[Heather McDonald]

I nn Tori and Dean in love. Running a bed and breakfast.

[Jacques Peterson]

Megan and Harry Potter running a bed and breakfast. And she was raised with, like, 20 servants in the most expensive house in all of Beverly Hills. And now, no wonder they got divorced. She was like, how the did this happen to me? Yeah. Like, I'm like, with this Canadian. I got horny for one night while doing a Lifetime movie, and now I'm making apple muffins for strangers on tv.

[Heather McDonald]

She's someone that knows how to make a buck. I mean, God, I've been waiting for her on Beverly Hills, but they don't want to cast.

[Jacques Peterson]

She has tried. I. I was on her show, and she. And we were talking, talking, and I asked her, and she's like, no, I've never been asked.

[Heather McDonald]

They don't want her on, which I wish. I think they should put her on. I still, I think they feel like it looks too obvious or something.

[Jacques Peterson]

I never say never. I think I could. Well, her youngest kid is pretty young, but I was gonna say, like, I could almost see like 10 years from now. She has inherited all the money, you know, with her brother. And now she's.

[Heather McDonald]

No, you want to now be in the man mess. You want to know.

[Jacques Peterson]

And then Candy coming.

[Heather McDonald]

Imagine Candy coming in and judging her. And I mean, candy would be like, because they've got Kathy Hilton on. And like you, you would want the candy appearances, right? She knows them all. We want Tori on next season.

[Jacques Peterson]

Where can people find you?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, on Instagram. Unpopular jp Follow me for, you know, all my hot takes and my Patreon and, and all of that.

[Jacques Peterson]

And then you. Oh, Daily Mail. Daily Mail, right.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Jacques Peterson]

All right, you guys, remember, you go to heathermcjohn.net to join my Patreon every Friday. New and exclusive content right there. Plus pre releases and other juicy content of get me behind gates. So check it all [e-mail] and click on Patreon. Thank you. Bye.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Jacques Peterson]

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