B (5:48)

Yeah.

A (5:49)

And I found out some things about myself that are pretty. Pretty incredible. What, Tam, what did you find out? Well, it's pretty clear I'm on the autism spectrum, Something to that effect. And then Teddi goes, tam. And she goes, don't make me cry. Okay, so people that watch the show are like, okay, enough. But the people that really got upset were the ones who have a loved one in their life, either their own child or someone close to them that does, in fact, have autism. And one of the things that really came clear is you don't know that you are on the spectrum at all unless you do many evaluations. It can take up to a year of really figuring it out. And what she said is, yeah, and it's based on my past trauma. It's also not based on past trauma. So, hey, maybe she just, like a lot of these housewives go to a doctor and they get free Botox. Maybe she went to a therapist that in exchange for this diagnosis, that could be true. Maybe not. Maybe she gets that for free, too. I don't know. It was a big mistake. The Bravo fandom did not like this. They called bs. I called for prayers for Tamara and for Teddy's bad acting. I felt they both needed our prayers because this was just so ridiculous. So anyway, the audience is. It knows the pattern of what she and other women sometimes in her position have to do to create a storyline. And so I thought, my gosh, if this. If she continues with this story that she in fact is now realizing at 58 years old or whatever she is, that she has this. Which doesn't go along with, you know, being able to be on a reality show, have bright lights on you. A lot of people brought that. That up that, like, you know, that this isn't really the traits of it. Whatever. The point is, no one believed it. No one accepted it. No one really felt sorry for her. No one was praying for her like I asked them to. Anyway, she came forward and was like, I shouldn't have spoken so soon. I'll take it privately now. But I still believe there might. She might have thought this was gonna take me to the next season. I'm gonna have a journey. I'm gonna do some charity stuff. I'm gonna make some sack lunches. I'm going to whatever. It didn't pan out the way she thought, so there you go. But it was a lot of chatter about that yesterday, and I thought it was pretty interesting. So I did, you know, I did a tweet and I did a little video. Okay. Also, Vicki brought up Vicky, her co star, said, this is disgusting and shame on her. She's looking for attention and sympathy. It's no different than Brooks. That was one of the famous storylines of Vicki had a boyfriend named Brooks who lied about having cancer. To this day, she says, I didn't know. I was tricked too, but we don't know. But all she wanted was for people to feel sorry for she and Brooks and bring her a casserole. That was Vicki. Well, now Vicki doesn't like Tamara anymore, so she's writing this. It's no different than Brooks saying he had cancer for sympathy and lying to me. She needs psychological help and needs to stop making a mockery of being on the spectrum or having autism. So Gretchen, a former. A former castmate has spoken. Everyone spoke. Like I said, she made a. She made a statement. She'll probably be quiet. There'll be a news story next week. But here's the thing. You know, I. I think there might be a place where. It's unfortunate that I think. Okay, hear me out, all right? For the sake of everyone's mental health and life of being a real housewife, if we're going to go forward with these women, I think there should be, like, a maximum amount of years like they do. Like, you can only be two terms as a president. I think there should be a maximum amount for a housewife. Then they know I'm in year six. I only have two years left. No matter what. I need to get my things in line. If I'm going to get divorced, I want to do it around year four or five so I can find somebody else. End on a second wedding. I don't know, plan it out knowing that there's an end to it. The audience knows there's an end to it. They say goodbye. They have, like, a little farewell party. And we know no matter how juicy your life is, it's got to end on year eight. And then they can go with their other business, make up with their children who hated them because they, you know, were doing embarrassing things on camera. And there. There's time to save their situation for the future. But they get addicted to the fame and they don't want to leave. And because there isn't like this set thing in the constitution of Bravo, it can go on forever. And then we have desperate people saying that they have a diagnosis that puts them on the spectrum of being, you know, it's just not true. The only spectrum she's on is the asshole spectrum, which can be a serious thing. So like I said, pray for her. Okay, this about the RFK Jr situation with the cheating. I thought this was so interesting. So I had mentioned before that I was pretty confident that it was the journalists ex fiance who blew the whistle. That appears to be true. There's these court papers that New York Post, other people are reporting. I don't know what the court papers are. I don't know who this guy is suing. That was confusing. But what was interesting is her Ex fiance is 51, she's only 31. Kind of a big age gap. Then Keith Oberman said he dated her when he was 51 and she was 21 and it was pretty serious and they even had got a dog together. I'm like, what is with this chick and older guys? Because then she goes from like dating a guy who's 30 years older, then she gets engaged to a guy who's 20 years older than her. Then she starts this sexting thing with 70 year old Robert F. Kennedy when she's 31 and he's whatever, 70. But according to her ex fiance who was pissed, he said she begged for him to take her back. And she said he's the one that like found out because he went through my stuff. He's saying, no, I didn't find out about the affair by going through your stuff. She told me because I broke up with her and then she begged for me to take her back. And she said she was, you know, so distraught by this weird sexting relationship with him because he said that he wanted to impregnate her and wanted to possess her and all this stuff. And so she was begging for him to come back. It all got revealed to the paper that she worked for and here we are. And then, and so Keith Oberman from MSNBC said, oh, Ben, they're done. That like answer to a tweet. And then they realized, oh, he dated her too. Very interesting. So I wonder where this girl is going to land. She going to land like on Dancing with the Stars or the Villain or what, but. Or is she gonna, you know, get her own podcast? I'm sure that'll happen. Who knows? But it doesn't really seem to matter. He's, you know, we're not really hearing about him right now, so I guess he may still stay married to his wife. Some people feel differently about sexing, cheating, and it's just embarrassing all around. Okay, Some awful updates on Diddy. And I'm sorry, but, I mean, I'm covering it, so I've got to cover the updates. Bow wow did an interview, and he made the unfortunate mistake of saying, you know, there's. There's been no good parties since Diddy's arrest. Like, nobody's going out. No one's partying. But the way it sounded, tmz, of course. Of course caught it and was like, come on. But he was saying, yeah, we used to go to all these. Like, no one wants to have fun anymore. Now there's all these new lawsuits, and six of them are from men. And the stories are just crazy. The stories behind the lawsuits that are being represented by lawyers, and I'm assuming they have some serious evidence in order to take on these cases. But the more you read about these lawsuits and these allegations, it is like he really was this, like, sexual assaulting mafioso who ordered people around him to participate, and it's just awful. So this one. This person, this guy said he was working at a Macy's in the Echo clothing department, and P. Diddy was so angry that Echo Clothing was near the Sean Jean display at Macy's, that he took this guy into the stock room and sexually assaulted him. And, like, the guy threatened his life, threatened. And then went out to the rest of the Macy's and was like, to the people, oh, let me give you some free Sean John clothes after assaulting him. And then when that worker tried to tell Macy's, whatever, they had just closed a big deal with Sean John, allegedly, and, you know, fired him. He had an apartment that he was living in that Macy's was paying for, which sounds kind of weird, but I don't know how high up he was in the company. He had to leave that place. And like many of the people, was just too frightened and felt like no one was hearing him when this happened, and therefore has waited till now to speak. So that is very bizarre. The other case is so awful. This girl, I listened to the. The whole complaint read on a. On a different news source, but I don't really want to get into it. But this girl met this friend of Diddy's. They FaceTime Diddy's Diddy. And she said, like, I think you had something to do with Tupac's murder. He said, you're gonna pay for that. Well, a month later, that same guy that she met, who I guess maybe she was interested in or thought he was a friend, he's like, hey, come to my house, let's watch a movie. She comes over there and as they're about to watch a movie, Diddy shows up with like three other people. And one of them, I think, being a woman that's named in some of these cases. And they assault her. They assault her with the baby oil, which obviously had something that made her body like lifeless, where she couldn't kind of control herself. Assaulted her every which way and with objects, numerous people. It's absolutely horrible. Her account. And she says, I'm going to call the police. They say. He says to her, don't call the police. I'll just pay you. Just, you know, first of all, just say you're a sex worker and I'll pay you. Just let me pay you. They, according to this, they even. He even called his mother and gave the phone to her and the mother was like, you're not going to ruin my son's life. Why don't you just take the money? She did tell the police. They didn't do anything. The case is insane anyway. It's just absolutely incredible the amount of lawsuits that are coming forward. Every day there's something new. So just get ready. Everyone's like, we wanna know who the other A listers are. We still don't know. 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Thanks to Irestore. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited to talk to first time meeting you guest actress, star most for me you're best known. This is Drea Mateo but she's to me best known for the Sopranos, the character of Adriana but also you were in Sons of Anarchy. You've been in tons of other shows. Joey.

B (21:06)

Oh God, Joey.

A (21:09)

So many different things. And welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm excited to get your Juicy Life story.

B (21:16)

I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. The Pinsky's wanted me to meet you really bad.

A (21:22)

Oh, that's so. Well, yeah. Dr. Drew Pinsky and Susan. I love them.

B (21:27)

Yeah.

A (21:27)

And. Okay. Cause I didn't know how this came about. I just didn't know if you were just.

B (21:32)

No, they were trying to get me to go on a boat with you.

A (21:35)

Oh, they invited you on the boat that we just wanted. Recently. Yeah, we went on the boat with them recently, yes.

B (21:42)

They're like, you're gonna love Heather. I want you to meet her. I want you to come and hang out with us. I was like, but I have to go on a boat again this week somewhere else. I don't like going on boats.

A (21:51)

You know what?

B (21:51)

Was it fun?

A (21:53)

It was really fun. And, you know, my husband became a captain over Covid. And we, like, had a boat for, like, a year where we kind of, like, rented it. We always were like, oh, we had, like. It was like a lease for a year. So we'd have these days. And then we invited people. And, like, soon I realized, okay, out of my group of, like, there's just these few people that are always down. And then there's other people that you. I realized I shouldn't be offended. Some people just don't want to be on a boat. They don't want to be trapped. They don't care how nice it is. It's just not their vibe. And then other people, like me, I will always say yes. So it's just, like, kind of an interesting thing. Are you a boat person or not? I'm a puker. You're what?

B (22:32)

I'm a puker. I'll puke.

A (22:33)

Oh, you're just.

B (22:34)

I'll puke on the boat. I don't want to. And then I feel like I'm ruining everybody's good time.

A (22:38)

Oh, my gosh.

B (22:39)

I love it, though. I love being in the water. I mean, I'll be in a kayak all day.

A (22:42)

Oh, okay.

B (22:43)

Or a rowboat. Then I have to work. Right.

A (22:46)

Okay. So I wanted to get a little bit about your background, because I know from doing a little research on you, you are in the process of writing, like, a memoir about your life. And your background is very interesting. Like your grandma. Was it your grandmother? And you do have a mafia background. Yeah, Mafia.

B (23:08)

I didn't know that much about it while I was doing the Sopranos, but, yeah, see that how my voice just starts to crack. The gods are saying, shut up. Don't talk about it. But Yes. I always knew about my grandfather, Joe Babes.

A (23:24)

And what's his story?

B (23:25)

He was. Well, I thought it was. He was. I thought his name was because he was a womanizer. But if you Google it, it says he shot a baby by accident. I'm like, what the.

A (23:35)

Because he was in the mob and he had to do that hit.

B (23:37)

I guess he was doing a hit and he. I mean, maybe he wasn't a good shot. I don't know if I don't know these stories.

A (23:44)

So what year was this that your grandfather was actively doing mob work?

B (23:49)

In the 50s? Yeah.

A (23:51)

And so was he with your grandmother at the time?

B (23:54)

Yeah, he was.

A (23:54)

And this is on your mom's side or your dad's side?

B (23:57)

On my mom's side. My dad's dad was also.

A (24:00)

And this is all happening in New York?

B (24:03)

Yep. Bronx and Harlem.

A (24:06)

And you're like, yeah. Because, you know, I really didn't know much about the Mafia or what.

B (24:16)

Me neither.

A (24:17)

Until, like, the Sopranos. And I just. It was fascinating. I remember. Here's a juicy story that happened to my mother. She was a realtor, and she. Her client. I guess I could say this now because she's dead, but it was. Oh, my God. My dad and her did real estate together. My dad was so mad at her, but she was selling the house of this guy who was dating Victoria Gotti. And my mom was like, this is so juicy. Because the Gotti. And I guess she, like, just said it at an open house or something, like, to one of her real estate friends. Like, oh, you know who he's seeing is Victoria Gotti. And the guy called and he's like. I got back to him, and he's like, I can't believe that you would say that. And they lost the listing. And I just remember being like, oh, my God. Now here I am. This is my career, just gossiping. Juicy scoop. But, yeah. So I was like, what does that even mean? I'm like, I don't. I remember. I was like, what is the Mafia? Like, I did not get what it was. And so it's like, okay, so you. When did you find that out?

B (25:32)

I mean, I knew about my. I knew about my grandfather's. I did. I didn't know about some of my dad's. The rest of my dad's family, but. And I knew that my mom's family was very connected in Queens when we were growing up. But we had, like. We had car service, not car services. Jesus. We had. Am I allowed to curse?

A (25:52)

Yes.

B (25:52)

Thank God. I can relax now. Okay. I'm trying to be all proper. We always had Cadillacs parked in the driveway. Tons of them. My dad, you know, he had no money. Even though my dad's father, Grandfather. My dad's father was in the mafia. He was not a big money making guy. He was more like a consiliary. People would come to him for advice. He had a pizza parlor, but they were poor. They were really, really poor. So when my dad started making money, he just kept buying Cadillacs for everybody. Yeah. So we had a fleet of Cadillacs. Okay, so.

A (26:25)

So wait, the mom. So your mom who's. Whose dad was in the mafia?

B (26:30)

Yes.

A (26:30)

She then finds her husband who's your dad?

B (26:34)

Yes.

A (26:35)

And was he already in the mafia or did he.

B (26:37)

His father? Yeah, his father was like this. They called him the dunny.

A (26:40)

So were they part of the same mafia family?

B (26:43)

No, my dad's from the Bronx.

A (26:45)

So was that a problem that they were part. That she came from this mafia family and married into a different mafia deal?

B (26:52)

No, but I think they thought my dad would become a made guy because he was. And I didn't know this when my dad was alive.

A (26:58)

What does a maid guy mean?

B (26:59)

A maid guy is. You get your button. It means you're part of one of the five families. And all of the.

A (27:08)

And why are there only five? Was a sixth family ever trying to break in? I feel like this is like France.

B (27:14)

I don't know anything.

A (27:15)

I can only compare it to fraternity life.

B (27:17)

I'm not an expert.

A (27:18)

I have different fraternities and like, they kind. They don't. And do the families ever get along?

B (27:25)

No, they're at war with each other.

A (27:27)

They're always at war, all five of them.

B (27:28)

They all offered my dad a. A button, except the Gambinos, because they said my dad was too wild. Whatever the fuck that means. Because I didn't know this while he was alive. I only found this out years after he was dead. I didn't know.

A (27:44)

And like, what. What is it really? Like? I know they dress up and they go to church and they have baptisms and they. They go to funerals and they can be charming and they go to funerals. They're going to be charming. But if you're going to join, you know that a, you might be murdered or you might be asked to murder someone. Is that everybody in it? Or can you be like, I just want to be the paperwork person, or I just want to be the person that, like, you know, sets up the dinner reservations at the Italian place and maybe finds a couple New people to shake down. But I don't want to be the killer. You have to agree that you'll do whatever. Right?

B (28:19)

Yeah. I mean, the blood oath. They take a blood oath. The omerta means, like, you're never going to speak like, again. I'm not an expert, but.

A (28:28)

Well, it sounds like you kind of are.

B (28:30)

I played one on tv.

A (28:32)

I mean, you played one and you came from one. I think you're pretty impressed.

B (28:35)

I didn't know anything about it when I was in my family.

A (28:39)

So when you were growing up at like 8, what did you think your family did for a living?

B (28:44)

Well, no, my dad was a furniture manufacturer and my mom was a playwright. And that's the truth.

A (28:49)

So your dad had another income and another job.

B (28:52)

He. My dad was not in the Mafia. He was.

A (28:54)

Your dad wasn't.

B (28:55)

They offered him to be in the.

A (28:57)

Offered. And he said no.

B (28:58)

My mother said, you do this and I'm fucking out of here. I already grew up with a father like this. I will not marry. Because her dad was a cheater. He was a wife beater. He was all of these things. So she was like, I'm not. She wouldn't even be a mom, my mother. And when we were born, she was like, I am going to be a playwright and I'm going to school and I am not cooking and I am not cleaning and I'm not raising my children. I going to hire somebody when there's enough money. And that's how that went down.

A (29:26)

So what do you mean she's not gonna raise her children?

B (29:29)

She just couldn't deal with being my grandmother. She didn't want to be my grandmother because my grandmother was so. I mean, the story's long and involved, which is why we're writing.

A (29:40)

Yeah, you definitely should, but it's. It'd be like a movie, too.

B (29:43)

And it's great. It's a great story. And it's all about all these really strong women that made mistakes. My mom made mistakes. That. She was great, but she definitely made mistakes. I was raised by my nanny, and she made mistakes, too. We all made mistakes.

A (29:58)

And so your mom's mom. Is that the one that. Is it? Your mom's mom, Your grandmother? That also was part of the. Helping girls get abortions?

B (30:10)

No, that was my great grandmother.

A (30:12)

Your great grandmother?

B (30:13)

1950S Harlem. Well, when she was young, in her. When she was about 15, she cut her hair into a flapper's hairdo. And her parents were like, you're fucking crazy. You're going to Bellevue. You need a Lobotomy. You're a whore. You're a Bhutan. You gotta go. That's it. Cause you weren't supposed to do that.

A (30:31)

Cut your hair short.

B (30:32)

Yes.

A (30:32)

Like that was so rebellious.

B (30:34)

Yeah. Like these times we're living in now. Oh my God. But they said either you go to Bellevue and get mental help or you get married. And they married her off at 15 years old. She had my grandmother by the time she was 16 or she was 15, I think actually when she had my grandmother and she was at the museum one day she comes home from being out all day with my grandmother. Baby. Grandmother and the baby. She's a mother and she's a baby with my baby grandmother. And the husband like punches her out or slaps her for being out, not having her dinner ready. This other 15 year old husband, you know what I mean? And she stabs him and she's like. I mean, she didn't, she didn't kill him. She stabbed him and she said, you will give me a divorce. Otherwise I'll go outside and tell everybody in this neighborhood, all the Italian men that your wife stabbed you. So everyone's going to know you're a pussy then. So he divorced her and then she took her baby and she, she went to her mother's house and her mother was fucking the neighbor and she was like. So she just starts blackmailing everyone.

A (31:47)

And the mother had. Was still married to her dad.

B (31:50)

Yes. She's fucking the neighbor. She goes, okay, you are going to watch this child that you guys made me have and I am going to Bellevue, but I'm not going to get a lobotomy. I'm going to become a midwife. And that was that. So my grandmother was raised by her mother. My great grandmother went off and became a midwife. And then she came back and started delivering babies. And that was her life. And then eventually she started giving abortions because there were a lot of young girls that were taking care of it themselves. They didn't know, nobody really knew what. So it was, you know, that's how that started. And then my grandfather, the mafia guy, he was coming up and they brought heroin here to America.

A (32:40)

From where, where did heroin come from originally?

B (32:43)

I guess he was. Back in those days, it must have been. Was it Escobar or. Who were the big dealers? I can't remember. I'm probably gonna get this wrong, so I'll just stop on that. But he started supplying the morphine for my grandmother's abortions for the clinic in her brownstone on Pleasant Avenue in New York. City. And that's how he met my grandmother. The whole story is crazy. So then my grandmother has my mother. And so my grandmother's name is here. My nanny's name is here. I was raised by my grandmother, my nanny, and my mother. And I would always say to my mom, I never understood why my mom was so distant, doing her own thing. But once I started to understand who all these people were in my house, I was like, wow, this is a really dynamic situation. Like, everybody's fucked up.

A (33:41)

Do you have any siblings?

B (33:42)

I have two older brothers.

A (33:44)

Are you guys.

B (33:44)

And they're a lot older. We were. We are not now. Now that everyone's gone. My mom just passed this summer, and. And my dad passed, like, 13 years ago. Yeah, I'm an orphan now. I'm an orphan, and I have no family except for my children. I love my children.

A (34:04)

Well, I can kind of relate to some of that, for sure. Okay, so then when did you realize, like, I'm a performer, I want to act? And what was your path?

B (34:17)

I mean, both my parents wanted to act, and my dad's family said, are you too ugly to act? You can't. He was gorgeous. I don't know. I don't know why they said that. And then my mom, they said, only boutonnas act. Only the whores act. So, you know, again with the whores. And now look who the is right here. I'm the fucking whore all around.

A (34:38)

That's really interesting, too, because this is probably why Dr. Drew was like, we should meet. There are a lot of similarities, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Definitely not.

B (34:47)

We should hold hands.

A (34:48)

Yes. Definitely not. I did a whole thing about, you know, being. Being estranged from adult siblings, like, as. And how people give that a lot of pressure. Oh, but this is your sibling, and you should be.

B (35:03)

Yeah.

A (35:03)

And I kind of did this thing of, like, giving people permission. You don't have to, you know, do what's right for you and break the cycle. So, like, I understand that even though people are like, blood is thicker than water, it's like, I love them. Yeah, I do.

B (35:15)

It just doesn't work. But I also feel like they don't have a real interest either. I do have interest in being close to everybody, but I feel like they really don't, and I'm not going to work hard for something. And they've also just been sort of, you know.

A (35:33)

And then the fact that both of your parents kind of wanted to be performers, too. Like, my. My dad, when he. He said when he was coming back, he was in World War II. But when he was coming back on the boat from Japan to. To San Diego, he said they only had, like, one movie that they kept playing over and over on the boat to get back. And so he'd memorized all the lines and they would just act it out. But then, you know, went and got used the GI Bill, went to. Got into football, became a businessman after, you know, played football in college, got a businessman, whatever. But always had, like, a really great. Could do impressions and be funny. And then my mom got a scholarship to Catholic University to act. And her dad was like, you're not gonna be an actress. If you're gonna go to college, do journalism. Because you can write too. And it's just kind of funny when sometimes when people are like, oh, I'm living the life that maybe my mom or dad would have wanted. I think there's a lot of us out there, like, kind of like that when you look back at it, you know, because obviously, you know, there's Nepo babies, but then there's people that just like, if someone, you know, has an engineering brain, their kid might have an engineering brain. If your parents were creative and storytellers and actors, even if they didn't pursue it sometimes, you know, then you come out that way too, you know?

B (36:49)

Yeah. I think my parents were. Forget about even the fact that I became an actor. I don't think my dad wanted me to act. Cause he thought it was too heartbreaking. And he would say to me every day, please, baby, pick something else that you can do. Like, this should only be. This should be the last resort of. If you can't do anything else, then this can be the thing that you do. Try to do something else. Because he saw my mom being in the industry for years, just being a playwright. But my mom never really pursued it in the way that she should have. I mean, she was with William Morris for years, but she. She never even published a play, which I thought was weird. Cause her plays were. She was kind of a big deal underground in the theater world. But she never really took it all the way. So now I'm gonna publish all of her plays for her and tell her story with this book. Absolutely. Because it's her story. It's more her story. I mean, it's my story. But she starts it off with that crazy before. But I think what they were more obsessed with was the Sopranos. I think they couldn't believe that I would. I never really pursued acting, by the way. I was in film school. I wanted to. I was the anti theater. I hated growing up in the theater because of my mom. I hated watching people play house. I was like, motherfuckers, I'm supposed to play house. I am the little kid. Why are you people acting like I am the mom and I am the dad and I wanted to play house. So I hated sitting there watching these adults rehearse all day. Even though it was Utah and Herbert Berghoff and all these people. I was like, I don't care who they are. I'm a baby. So I went to film school. I went to NYU film school to get away from the whole theater thing. And it was like, the fuck?

A (38:25)

And you go right out of high school there?

B (38:27)

Yeah, I went straight into nyu and I fucked up because I was a fuck up.

A (38:32)

How'd you fuck up?

B (38:34)

Well, first of all, I worked through school, which I probably shouldn't have done because I didn't need to. We had money and my parents were taking care of me. But I just, I think, loved the life of bartending until 5:00 in the morning and coming home with $2,000 in cash, you know, and like half baked. And it just was. That was my dorm room experience. It wasn't like other kids. I was a working. I felt like a working man.

A (39:01)

Okay.

B (39:02)

You know?

A (39:02)

Yeah.

B (39:04)

And I fucked up. I just took that more seriously than my actual education. And I wasn't making my movies on time and. And then I fell into the wrong stuff. Being in the clubs every night.

A (39:16)

Okay.

B (39:17)

Yeah.

A (39:17)

So you didn't finish.

B (39:19)

I got kicked out.

A (39:21)

Okay.

B (39:21)

I got let go of the school. Then they let. I came and I begged back in and they let me stay in as long as I kept a 4.0. So I managed to do that for a minute.

A (39:31)

Really? Wow.

B (39:32)

For a minute. And that's when I started taking the acting classes. I was like, how am I going to maintain this four. Oh, I better do something really fucking easy. And I started taking acting for directors. And I secretly was like, I think I want to. I think I might want to do this. And all my friends are like, yeah, why are you in the film department? You should just be acting. And I was like, no. Because I felt like it was so indulgent to act and to want even to say, I want to act. People would ask me even what I.

A (40:02)

Did for a living. It's like conceited to say I want to act. Yeah.

B (40:04)

I was always super shy.

A (40:06)

Yes.

B (40:06)

Like, I'm only not shy in the last three years of my life.

A (40:09)

Okay, cool.

B (40:10)

I swear to God, I was so crazy shy. So I was like, I felt very conceited. Like, oh, you think you're an actress? No, I'm a bartender. I'm a bartender, you know?

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B (44:05)

No, I had a friend who's a writer in the business, and she just introduced me to managers here and there. She would always put me in her little films that she'd be making and stuff with her husband. But she introduced me to a manager. The manager had me on for a minute, sending me out to things, but I wasn't really an actor. But she was. She told me that I had a terrible voice so that I would never be able to act because my voice was so fucked up. And I'm like. Because I used to be a heavy smoker and she asked me to go take voice classes. So I said, okay, that's normal because people take voice classes and acting. It's like a normal thing to do. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no. Not voice, Dre. Like. Like opera classes. Like singing class. Opera classes. You gotta be fucking kidding me. She goes, yes, I think that you should take opera singing classes so that you can really break through your voice and all of this raspiness. And I thought, you're fucking crazy. I was like, so if I don't do this, are we still good? And she was like, no, we're not. So she let me go. And then. And it's so fucking crazy. But then, like, two weeks later, I booked the Sopranos.

A (45:21)

So how did you get the audition for the Sopranos? Your manager just put you up for the role?

B (45:26)

An agent. I had, like, a small agent, actually. It's the same agency I ended up going back to now, even even though I'm not acting anymore. But I was like, fine, you guys want to represent me? Take it. Take it. Take all this. All this nothing of acting that I. All of this. All of the. Me saying, absolutely not. But, yeah, they got me some small audition for one line in a TV show. Had I been auditioning for that show as a series regular, I never would have gotten it. It would have gone to someone of the moment because.

A (45:57)

Was it already out? Because I can't remember. When did you come on? Were you in the first season?

B (46:01)

Yeah, I was.

A (46:02)

Oh, so it was not even out yet? So you had no idea of what this would become?

B (46:06)

No. But I will say this. The minute I got my hands on that script and I read it, I called my mother immediately, and I go, holy shit. I know that I have no interest in television shows, but you have to read this, Mom. It is the most beautifully written show I've ever seen in my life. And she read it, and she was like, yeah, wow, this is beyond. I was like, it's so great. It'll never get made. And I had one line. It was the hostess in the restaurant. And then they ended up making Adriana a hostess when they brought me in for the series. But they would have. That part would have gone to, like, Marisa Tomei or Mira Sorvino. All the girls that were used to playing that title role, if they knew.

A (46:48)

That it was a series regular, someone at that level wouldn't have done the one line hostess.

B (46:54)

They wouldn't have done a TV show.

A (46:56)

That's where the line comes. You know, there are no small parts, only small actors.

B (47:00)

Yes, it's true. But I was. I loved it so much. So when they called and they said, look, David thinks that you're not really Italian, like, but you are Italian, so he likes you. Would you be willing to just play the snobby hostess at the Connecticut, like, a Connecticut vibe restaurant kind of thing? And I was like, I'll do anything just to be a part of that script. I loved it, and I did it. And I couldn't even get my line out because I was with. I was with Lorraine Rocco. No one knew who Jim was yet. I was With Lorraine. And she's Karen from Goodfellas. Karen. All I could think about when I saw her face was her putting the gun in her panties. I was like, oh, my God, all I see is gun in your panties. Right? It's so sexy. So, yeah, I couldn't say my line. I was like, I can't believe they'll even audition me later for another role.

A (47:48)

Because you felt like you fucked up.

B (47:49)

That I don't think they remembered that I was the same person.

A (47:52)

Okay, so you come back and. And do you realize then the arc of your. Your part yet or you don't know where this is going?

B (48:00)

Still a day player. So they call me back to be in. To audition for the series. I was in Queens at my grandmother's house, and she's cooking us chicken parmesan. And I remember getting the phone call that they wanted me to come in, and I was like, yeah, no, this is too last minute. I can't come in right now. Are you people crazy? I was like, and aside from which, I'm in Queens. And they were like, well, that's funny. So are we. And I was like, fuck. My mother looks at me. She goes, what's it? And I go, it's that Joe that I. That I did the pilot for the Sopranos. She goes, we're going. She goes, ma, make her a chicken cutlet. Parmesan hero. Wrap it up. Make one for Al. She goes, in the safe, she gets my name plate and diamonds from my confirmation, which is Andrea. So Hocolut.

A (48:49)

Yeah.

B (48:49)

And I put it on, and she goes, what are your lines? And I said, it's just ow. She goes, you are going to say ow in like 15 syllables. Just like Silvana, the neighbor, my best friend next door. And. And that was it. I got. I. I said, ow.

A (49:06)

What were you saying ow, too?

B (49:07)

I don't even know. Maybe Christopher was grabbing my. My arm. Ow. Or some.

A (49:13)

Yeah, yeah, it was okay. So then you become his girlfriend. Christopher's girlfriend.

B (49:19)

Just a day player. $500 checks, sitting on a toilet in the honey wagon. On. On sets, the honey wagon is all bathrooms. It's like 15 bathrooms in a row. And every toilet has a cushion on it. So you have somewhere to sit. Oh, that's a dressing room.

A (49:37)

Oh, got it.

B (49:38)

Before they give you, like, a double banger or a star trailer.

A (49:42)

Got it.

B (49:43)

Yeah, double banger.

A (49:44)

And okay, so then when you then realize. Okay, now, because how many seasons were you the girlfriend where we knew you to be his girlfriend the whole time? So you. Because we're Sorry. For those of you that haven't watched it, cover your ears. So many new fans by the character spoiler. So your character does die. And I said spoiler.

B (50:13)

I know, I know.

A (50:14)

But your character dies and gets killed. And I just remember that scene. And I loved Sunday nights. HBO Sunday nights and watching it. And it was so good. So it went on for seven seasons, right? I think it did.

B (50:30)

It was. Yeah, they. It was like the fake seven. Because they didn't want to pay a full. Full seven. So they said six and a half.

A (50:38)

Yeah. There was a weird thing back then where, like deals were made with cable where it was seven seasons guarantee. And if you're going to go past that, they make it. Whatever. It was a big thing. But so just. I want to talk about this for a minute. As an actress, I want to ask you this. So when did you find out that this was your character's fate? How do you. How do you find out did sit you down? Or they just give you the script and you read it like everybody else?

B (51:09)

They actually. For all the men on the show, they. Because it's only been men that have had those big moments.

A (51:14)

Yeah.

B (51:15)

They bring him into David Chase's office and he tells them and then they all go out for a big dinner.

A (51:22)

Before they're gonna be. Before their character gets knocked off.

B (51:25)

Yeah.

A (51:26)

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

B (51:27)

It was different.

A (51:28)

How did they do it?

B (51:29)

I approached him. Episode five. I think it was episode five. I have the neck brace in that scene. After the accident. Maybe we were faking a hospital in a house somewhere for a set. I can't quite remember. But anyhow, David was on set and I thought, oh, he's here. Let me just ask him. I said, things don't seem so great for my character right now. Like, all I'm doing is talking to the FBI. I'm shitting my pants non stop because I have ibs. I was like, and I want to direct this film in the hiatus because I wanted to get back directing. It was one of my mother's students movies that she wrote. And I could tell he didn't like that. Everyone always said, don't ever ask David for. But don't, don't, don't ever, don't ever mention that you want to do anything else. Oh, yeah, I can see that we're doing. And I was like, yeah, but I'm. It's not acting. I don't want to act. I'm. I wanted to go direct and do what he does and like. And it's just a short.

A (52:27)

Sometimes they don't like that either, though.

B (52:29)

You know, I found that. But I think that he had plans anyway, so he sat me down and. On a curb. We sat on the street on a curb and I had my neck brace on. And I know that the scene I had to do.

A (52:41)

So your neck brace was for the character?

B (52:43)

Yes, because I had just been in the accident with Jim, with Tony Soprano, and I don't really remember a lot of the scenes, but he sat me down and he said, so we're going to do it like this. We're shooting it two ways. You're going to die and you're going to live, and no one's going to know what happens until it airs because of the confidentiality breach on set and because of all the gossip and because of how. I mean, it was the first show where if something got leaked, it was monumental.

A (53:16)

Yes.

B (53:17)

It was a really big deal and the audience didn't want the leaks. Even though some people were like, I want to know what's going to happen. People really didn't want to know. Especially that, you know, because people loved her so much and she was innocent. So it was even more. Oh, yeah, it was worse because she was innocent. It wasn't just like one of these guys that, you know, murdered so many people, you know? So that was all I knew. And then I started getting offers to do other shows and lots of. And a lot of things, and I'm like, how does anyone know? Like, no one is supposed to know anything here. And I took a job once I knew, and then that got out into the world. And then I had to go through damage control because he was furious with.

A (54:02)

Me because he thought by you taking a job got people talking. Oh, she must be dying soon because she's talking to the feds on the show.

B (54:10)

It did. And I wish I could find. I had to go on a talk show to mitigate it. And I don't know whose show I picked to do to just say, no, I'm not dying on the show. But that happened. But that's how I found out. So I never had a dinner. But that would have been awkward because I'm not one of the guys on the show. You know, I was a young girl, so I never had the dinner. But the last I remember, they brought balloons and champagne. And it felt like every day was my last day, though, because every time. Because then there were reshoots. So there was like, they were having a goodbye this day and then a goodbye the next day. And I was like, fucking out of here already, guys. People always ask me about the death scene and I'm like, I was already gone by then in my head, you know?

A (54:57)

I know, because I think what's so compelling when you watch it, like, I can see it in my head. And what I thought about was so. Again, spoiler. Okay, so you were with the. One of the other guys. He says he's taking you to the hospital or something to see somebody.

B (55:16)

Yeah, Christopher. He's saying that Christopher tried to commit suicide. But this is another. This will appeal of trivia for you for people that are die hard Soprano fans. There was a scene written in the episode where Tony where Christopher goes to Tony Soprano and tells him that I was a rat. They go in the basement of. Of Tony Soprano's house in the laundry room where there's no wires or microphones, whatever, and he confesses to him. So then Tony Soprano calls Adriana and says, yo, he just committed suit. Because Tony's like, I'll take care of it. So you know. You know, when Christopher tells Tony and Tony says, I'll take care of it. And Tony calls Adriana, that means she's dead. So the drive to the forest is meaningless at that point. But I didn't like that that scene was in there. Cause I thought that it should be a buildup. So I begged some of the writers and I think even a few of the actors stood with me on it to have that scene eliminated from the show. And they did. They aired it without Christopher confessing the next scene.

A (56:23)

Yeah, because it was like a surprise when you're watching it as a viewer, because he pulls over and there's a moment then when your character, like, knows. And I just think what's crazy about that is I don't think in any movie that I've ever seen where you think what that must be. Like. This is a dark. For somebody that knows whether they've been kidnapped and this is the moment they're gonna be killed or you know, it's somebody they know or they're in the mafia or they're. It's their husband and they just know. Like, this is the moment. Like, this is. Oh, my God. I don't. This is probably gonna happen to me. And so as an actress, like, how do you. Do you. Did you get to that place or did you almost. I mean, where is it that you. Or did you not really get to that place? You just did it.

B (57:18)

I was. I have a tendency to take care of everybody all the time, even on set, even if I need focus on myself. Stevie was really upset that he.

A (57:30)

The person who had to kill you.

B (57:31)

Yeah, Stevie Van Sant. He had to pull me out of the car by my hair, I think, or my jacket. He had called me cunt. He didn't want to do any of these things. And I'm like, motherfucker, I got a dinner to be at. Like, we got things to do. You're fine. You can do. Have fun with it. Call me a cunt. Pull me out of that fucking car by my hair. Let's do this thing. It was a very quick scene to shoot because they don't show my face. Yeah, that was a request of David's. Did not want to see me get killed. I don't know if he ever. People thought it was an intentional cliffhanger. I don't think it was. I think he really just didn't want to see her get killed. But that scene for me was not. That was not the worst. It was hard to sort of calibrate how to show that I am. Because I knew that they took. I didn't know that they were taking that scene out, so. Because I didn't know that scene was coming out. I was already upset in the car. Had I known that scene wasn't gonna be in there, I might have looked a little less upset in the beginning because I don't know where I'm going. It was a. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I prepared for that. But the scene where he chokes me, where I confess to him, that was the scene for me. That scene crushed me. Every scene crushed me. That whole fucking season crushed me. Cause at that time.

A (58:58)

Oh, that's when Christopher choked your fiance.

B (59:01)

I took it all. So, like, you know, I was a young actor and it was my first big job, so there were no shortcuts for me. Everything had to be real. Like, there was no faking of anything happening.

A (59:14)

And then when did you know, like, when was your first, like, life changing kind of moment? Like where you're like, oh, I'm famous. Like, I'm walking and people are like calling out your name and you realize what a big hit this is.

B (59:24)

The show was big.

A (59:26)

Yeah, it was big.

B (59:27)

I remember when we'd go to the airport, they would have to escort us with, you know, with the caddies through the airport. Because if we were in a group together, it was a little too chaotic and crazy. People were like, holy shit. You know, it was all of them. They're all here.

A (59:46)

Yeah.

B (59:48)

But I think. I think for Me, the real moment was when my name was in the crossword puzzle. And look, the New York Times crossword puzzle from my parents. Cause it was a big deal. Cause they did the puzzle every day. But at the same time, they'd be excited. And I'd be like, guys, can I. Can I. Can I tell you something, though, and just remind you the reason why I'm in it is. Cause it's not an easy answer. Okay. It's not because, oh, my God, she's famous. It's because the people might not know who it is.

A (60:18)

So did your parents. Did they stay married throughout your life?

B (60:21)

Yeah.

A (60:22)

Oh, that's so nice.

B (60:22)

Yeah, they were together. They fucking almost kill when I was young, but that passed. You know, my dad still thought he was maybe going to be in the mafia when we were young, so he was still acting like one of those guys from time to time.

A (60:35)

Oh.

B (60:35)

So she was like, what the fuck? You know, so you can't be like my father.

A (60:40)

And they adored each other.

B (60:42)

They. Absolutely. And they were the funniest motherfuckers on the planet. So that's why they love the Sopranos, because David Chase is writing is just like my mom's writing. My mom's an incredible writer. I'm not just saying because she's my mom. Obviously, I know good writing because I knew the Sopranos was fantastic early on. But watching her teach writing, actually is how I learned how to act. Didn't really take any heavy, heavy acting classes. But hearing her break a script down for her students and hearing her talk about how everything has to stay active, how you have to have an objective, like, all of the way she did, that made it very easy to understand how to become an actor.

A (61:23)

And one of the things when I was, like, researching stuff, there was questions, like, as I asked one question, then another one came up and was it was. Did Adriana and Tony Soprano ever have sex?

B (61:34)

Oh, you mean, like, did they?

A (61:36)

Yeah, because they never show it. But there's like. I guess there's elements that kind of made the audience wonder if there was ever a moment.

B (61:45)

Yeah, I don't think so.

A (61:47)

Yeah.

B (61:47)

I think Adriana, I think everything. She led with her heart nonstop. And I think that. I mean, she probably maybe could have. I mean. I mean, I was down. I was down with the whole scenario, if that's what Adriana wanted to do. Yeah.

A (62:06)

He was so sexy. Oh, my God, he was so sexy. I remember that other scene where he had. He was having the affair with the girl at the Mercedes dealership or whatever. And then she, like, called the house to tell.

B (62:22)

Oh, Annabella.

A (62:22)

Carmela.

B (62:23)

Yeah.

A (62:24)

And the way when. Then he came in there and threw her on the bed and was like, don't you ever call my fucking boy. Like, I just. I remember, like, where I was when I saw that scene. Like, it was just so good, so sexy. Well, okay, so you do all that you've done, and then you go on Sons of Anarchy. And now you're. Now you keep saying, I'm done with acting. I'm hearing you in these other interviews. I'm done with acting. And I get why you think it's over for you and you're happy for it to be over. And I kind of think people don't realize when someone does move on from it and do other things, they're like, how can that be? Because it seems like everybody that has a desire is like, how could you ever turn down something so. So would you if the right thing came along? Are you really gonna be done done? Or is it just you don't wanna be in the trailer? You don't wanna have to answer to anybody. Why do you say that you think you're really done with acting?

B (63:17)

I mean, I think I was done after Sopranos, to be honest with you. I really. I felt like I got there. I did it. I did what resonated for me without even knowing that it did. I thought, if anything, I didn't wanna play in Italian. I didn't wanna be stereotyped. I didn't wanna be on television. I wanted to be. You know, when you're a kid, if you're going to do this, you want to not be. They wanted to change my name. They didn't want me to be Italian because I'd be stereotyped. It was a whole big thing back in those days. And look at what happened now in this whole mess of Hollywood. Yeah, but back then, it was a real big thing for Italians, so. And the accent and that people just assumed you were stupid if you were Italian, kind of, in a way, which is so crazy because there's so many Italian actors out there. But. So I never really felt like it was what I wanted to do anymore. I wanted to be with my. With my ex. At the time, I was happy to just follow him around. I realized I was more like Adriana than I knew. I would lead with love all the time and my heart and where my heart wanted to be. And it wasn't in a fucking makeup trailer. And, yeah, sure, it was great to get a top spot reservation in a Restaurant. Like, these were cool things that came with. With the celebrity part of it, but the rest of it, I never really cared about it. And I took care of my nanny for many years, the lady that raised me, and there was just a lot. Like, she would get sick a lot. And I couldn't show up to Sundance sometimes, or I couldn't promote a film, or I didn't want to go to a festival. Whatever it was. It was just. People were abhorrent. I didn't like the way people functioned in the industry and how callous they were and how it just didn't matter. Like, humanity didn't matter even back then. And look at it now. I mean, really look at the way. I mean, for me, I had to stop over the mandates. I mean, and that was. And it wasn't like, people say, oh, you were canceled. I'm like, no, I wasn't really canceled. I pulled myself out because I knew I'm a crazy fucking hippie, and I just wasn't ready to do anything. And then when they were like, you must do this or you'll never work again, and I was like, wait a minute, now I really need to understand what all of this means. And once I started, Listen, they should have just given me a script and said, show up and act, instead of giving me this other script, which was, go research this instead. Because once I started researching what was happening during that time where I realized, oh, fuck, I can't go back to this industry right now.

A (65:52)

And you didn't think. You know, did anybody say, okay, we get your position, Get a fake card?

B (66:00)

They did. Okay, they did. And my daughter, my. We. I got everybody fake cards. And I felt. I felt really bad using it. I couldn't. I felt bad sitting in a restaurant. I got it to take them to see Hamilton when it came to la. And I remember being there in. In the audience and thinking. And I was crying. I actually. I was tearing up. I was. And this is. This is me. This is Adriana. Here I am. I haven't changed. I remember feeling like, what if I'm hurting somebody? Like, what if. Like, what if I don't have the answers? And what if I am. I shouldn't be here with all of these people. And I thought I was just so, like, consumed with confusion at that time of. Anyhow, I was starting to lose money. Like, we. I only go job to job. I never was a career actor. No interest in it. Like, I said, I wanted to be with my. My family. Then I became a single mom. So, God, try To work hard.

A (67:02)

And how are you with the father of your kids?

B (67:05)

Good. Good. It took a long time. It took a long time.

A (67:08)

And how old are your kids now?

B (67:09)

Lead with your heart. Lead with your heart. Not with this thing, you know, 16 and 13. But my daughter was like, please don't use the card for work. She goes, you have a big mouth. You'll end up saying the wrong thing. But I, more than anything, you taught us to be a certain way, and you taught us. And I have no liar tattoos on my body and all kinds of things. So she's like, I don't want you to lie. And I was like, I won't then. And I won't. And I was like, but you might have to come out of school because of the mandates at the schools. That was happening at the same time. And she's like, it's fine. We'll figure it all out. So we were leaving la. We were moving out of LA over the public schools and all that stuff with the mandates. So that was how that happened. But then I got. Listen, my house almost went into foreclosure, and when I tried to sell it, it flooded. And it was. And the old lady was dying and I'm holding her hand while.

A (68:04)

You mean nanny. The nanny nanny that raised you.

B (68:07)

Yeah, I was. Was literally holding her hand here and auditioning for something here. I'm not used to auditioning either. Like, it was new for me, auditioning on tape, auditioning at all.

A (68:16)

Oh, okay.

B (68:16)

Like, I just take jobs that, you know, I took the jobs that would pay me to stay raising my kids for years without having to work in between. I would run out of money, though. I wasn't trying to save money. I was just trying to live, you know?

A (68:29)

Right.

B (68:29)

But I remember auditioning like this, holding her dying hand and then being like, so do you guys. Do you have any idea? They wanted me to do the part? Do you have any idea when she's going to die? I was like, are you fucking people insane? Because I. They needed me to leave and go on set to do this job. And I was like, okay, I'm done. And that was the last job before the vaccine mandates. So had I taken that job, I would have been okay, but then I would have had to leave her while she was dying, which I wouldn't have done. And so I had choices to make. And my choices led me to Only Fans. Yes, Granny porn. My choices led me to a fan page on Only Fans because I was getting censored on Instagram nonstop anyway. And I'm now I'm 100% censored. Like, even if you look me up, it'll say, are you sure you want to follow this page? They are filled with misinformation and blah, blah, blah.

A (69:27)

Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah.

B (69:29)

So I Only Fans. So I went to Only Fans and. And that's how I saved my. My family.

A (69:36)

And so you had to keep the house.

B (69:38)

I kept my house. And now we're going to try to sell it because we want to.

A (69:44)

And now where do you want to go from there? So you're still in la?

B (69:47)

We're still here, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would love to go back to New York, but it's the apocalypse.

A (69:54)

Yeah.

B (69:54)

And things. Things are gonna get worse right now.

A (69:57)

So I. It was funny because, you know, there was a. You know, you said in a show that sometimes your son. Is he the 16 or is he.

B (70:06)

He's 13.

A (70:07)

He's a 13 year old. Sometimes like edits a video, a photo for you on Only Fans. And you know, people are like, what?

B (70:15)

That those are professional photos. That's not even edited, that picture.

A (70:20)

Here's another one. This one's really great.

B (70:22)

Yeah, that's not really edited either. Too much. Yeah, no, he didn't do. That's new. That's a new one.

A (70:28)

That's hot. But yes, that's in New York.

B (70:30)

That's in New York. That's home. But no, he edited a picture of me where I look like a superhero.

A (70:36)

Yeah.

B (70:36)

I mean, he's the one who said it on the podcast because it was my friend's podcast, Jamie Lynn and Robert Iler. And Robert's like, what do you think of your mom's podcast? Only Podcast, Only Fans. And he's. And he's like, you know, he's such a little tough guy. He's like, I edit some of those pictures and she makes like videos. I don't know how to do this shit. I don't know how to do any of it. And they didn't care that I did the Only Fans page. They were like, feet, do your feet. My Only Fans page is like, I.

A (71:03)

Mean, my son has said that too. Like, you know, and I've had people ask about whatever I. My younger son, one time we were driving past Blac Chyna's house and he goes, mom, will your career ever get to a place where you have to do Only Fans you and me? I go, I don't think so, because I have the podcast and whatever. But also, it's just another thing I don't have time to do. But I totally get it. And I think it was so smart because you always were sexy. And then you do have this fan base that you can, you know, play into the character of the mob wife and all that kind of stuff, and those guys will love it and ask. So it's more than just, you know, being sexy. And I think it was really smart. I've been saying for years, I don't know why Britney Spears doesn't do only fans.

B (71:52)

Well, now I wonder why none of them do. Because the photos they put on Instagram are so sexy. You won't see pictures like that of me from before my OnlyFans page. There might be one where I did an ad for period panties, which is hardly sexy, but it's the only time you see me in my underwear. And maybe I put a bikini shot on the 4th of July, but other than that, like, I don't know how to be this girl who's, like, taking fucking selfies of myself and, like, standing in a mirror and, like, who does that shit? Well, apparently I do it now, but back in the day, I never did it, but I took a shot.

A (72:26)

I think it's so funny because my sons helped me with this business, too. And I'm like. And we were doing a show in Vegas, and I wanted to show a video. Like, you know, I stand up a little bit of this, But I do stand up, and I want to. And my son was helping me. He's a senior at asu. And the night before I went with my friends, we went to Thunder Down Under. So, of course, I was pulled up on stage and everything, and I wanted to show the video on stage the next day. So as I'm, like, filming, like, the theater before we start, there's my son, and he's, like, talking to the guy, like, being like, yeah, this is the video. And I'm like, oh, my God. I made him edit the video of this guy, like, shoving my face at his crotch and my legs going like this and everything. It was so corny. Like, even though I didn't know what was happening, obviously this guy is, like, not getting hard for me. Like, who cares? But the fact that I'm like, okay, yeah. And then he's like, okay, I think this part's boring. But then this part where he spreads your legs, like, we'll do. We'll, you know, speed it up and everything. And I'm like, yeah. Like, you know, it's whatever your business is, but if they get that, it's funny. I'm not Having him edit a porno, like, you know, whatever. So I thought that was. I totally saw. Well, they were having your kids.

B (73:39)

Child protective services after me. All the comments. All of the kids read the comments. I go, guys, you know, mommy doesn't read comments on anything ever. Half of my relationships ended because all the men in my life will read comments. I'm like, don't read comments.

A (73:54)

Read comments, comments. Why would it end? Because they didn't like to be mentioned in the comments or they didn't like to be famous.

B (74:00)

What? Just the, you know, insults, like, just continuous negative that people spew all day. It's like, get out from behind your. Your computer and live a life.

A (74:11)

Yeah.

B (74:12)

Go love somebody or something.

A (74:14)

The boyfriends. How would it turn them off that. That people were saying mean things to you? I don't see how that.

B (74:21)

I think why we might say mean things about them from time to time.

A (74:24)

That's what I think it is.

B (74:25)

Yeah.

A (74:26)

And I mean, it's what care about. When I talk about, like, Real Housewives and stuff, I'm like, the reason so many Real Housewives end their marriages end is because they think it's all great. Oh, I think camera should have been following me around my whole life. And the husband has a few bucks, and he's. Life's come real easy to him. And then all of a sudden, they're on tv, and the next day, the guy's like, I'm famous. And everyone's like, you don't have a chin. And the guy's probably like, what, I'm worth millions of dollars? And now, oh, you're right. I don't have a chin. And then they're like, you were mean to her when you served her coffee. And then they start fighting. And that's what happens. Maybe so on a lower level to be on Real Housewives.

B (75:09)

Yeah. So I can. No, so I can get Robbie in trouble all day. My grumpy boyfriend.

A (75:13)

What if someone did ask you to do Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?

B (75:16)

Oh, I think the only way I could do it is if it's like the Housewives of, like, the Hollywood Hills or Laurel Canyon. Like, the hippie housewives. It'd have to be, like, the fucking filthy hippie housewives.

A (75:27)

No, but what's fun is they like different people. But look, I have to tell you, there was a crazy story that happened in the Real housewife world.

B (75:34)

Who's that? She's hot.

A (75:35)

That's Dina Manzo. And she was an original Real Housewife of New Jersey.

B (75:40)

She's gorgeous.

A (75:41)

She Is gorgeous. Well, let me tell you her story.

B (75:43)

Is she a bitch?

A (75:44)

No, she's the knife.

B (75:45)

You love her.

A (75:46)

I love her. I met her. She's been on the show.

B (75:47)

Oh, wait, she still. He's a going.

A (75:49)

No, this is what happened. So she. Okay, this is a crazy story. Before they. The cameras came. Came. She is one of 10. She also has a sister named Caroline Manzo.

B (76:01)

She has 10. 10 sisters that look like that?

A (76:04)

No, there's boys and girls in their families.

B (76:06)

There's 10 of those. She's hot.

A (76:09)

Okay? She's like. I think one of the younger ones, her older sister is Caroline. Okay, okay. Caroline marries this guy named Albie or Albert Manzo. No, Albert Manzo. Her older sister marries Albert. She gets married and gets divorced, has a kid, and then ends up falling in love with his younger brother. So now the sisters are both married to Manzos. Okay. And that marriage didn't go well for Dina and the Manzo brothers, and they end up getting divorced, and she ends up dating somebody else. And then that guy gets attacked in a parking lot with, like, a crowbar or whatever. Brutally attacked. And then the guy. And then this. This guy suddenly gets a free wedding at the place that the Manzos run. And they found out that the Manzo ex husband gave somebody in one of those families a free wedding because that guy went and attacked her new man.

B (77:18)

So that was his pay. He was a contractor.

A (77:21)

And so they were able to prove that he was the one, even though he didn't do it, that he ordered that attack. And now he got seven years.

B (77:30)

Are these guys Mafia?

A (77:32)

According to the older sister Caroline? No. They've just run the brownstone in New Jersey for years. However, Caroline also wrote a letter, a character letter for this man.

B (77:45)

Who's this one? She's Caroline or Dina?

A (77:48)

Dina. So her older sister Caroline wrote a character letter for her, in fact, brother in law. But also, like, it's double brother in law, Right? Because they were both married to the brothers. And so that was like, really for a guy that, like, you know, attacked my husband. Then there was a whole nother story that happened where they both were attacked by someone in their home. She was attacked too, Dina. But that is not. I don't know if they can't figure out if he was responsible for that. That was a whole nother thing. But this one, they were able to prove that her ex husband Manzo was responsible. And now ex husband Manzo is going to prison for seven years.

B (78:28)

The sister's ex?

A (78:30)

Yes.

B (78:30)

This is her. This is her man.

A (78:32)

This Is her man that she's smiling with. That guy over there is her ex.

B (78:36)

That's the brother.

A (78:37)

Ex ordered the hit or beat up, not murder.

B (78:42)

He's wearing a pinstripe suit.

A (78:44)

Is that. That's a Mafiosa thing.

B (78:45)

Forget about it.

A (78:49)

But the thing that made it so juicy was the sister thing. And that's why Real Housewives of New Jersey, when it began, was such a big deal. And I think it was either Sopranos was still on or it was right after the Sopranos.

B (79:01)

Oh, they love it.

A (79:02)

And the fact that there. There was real family involved, sisters and stuff. And then that this really happened, like. And, yeah, and then, yeah, there's the Manzo grandfather. Okay. The dad of these two guys. He was found in someone's trunk.

B (79:19)

Oh, come on. These guys are fucking Mafia.

A (79:22)

I'm not saying it. I'm just telling you the story.

B (79:25)

Who's the guy who come after me?

A (79:26)

Manzo, who's the show.

B (79:28)

Whose show was it? Who's the guy. Who's the guy who owns all the TV shows?

A (79:33)

Murdoch?

B (79:34)

No, the guy who owns the freaking Bravo.

A (79:37)

Andy Cohen.

B (79:38)

That guy.

A (79:40)

I don't think. I think it's pretty obvious that there's something happening here.

B (79:47)

I'm like, ask the ex.

A (79:48)

But I'm like, but then also, why would you. This is what always craves me. Because there's a lot of criminals on Real Housewives shows.

B (79:56)

Didn't the other one go, the Gwydice?

A (79:59)

Teresa Giudice. She did prison for a year.

B (80:03)

How does she pronounce her name?

A (80:05)

I say Giudice, but then they say Goodichi. There's two ways. There's two ways to say it.

B (80:10)

We're all fucking this up left and right.

A (80:12)

And so, yeah, she did Guido.

B (80:15)

She plays a Guido.

A (80:16)

Her husband did four years and she.

B (80:17)

Went, what did he do, that guy?

A (80:20)

No, she did a year, then he did four years.

B (80:21)

I only know who they are because she looks like my neighbor.

A (80:24)

He did, like, mortgage fraud and stuff like that. I feel like that. Had they not been on tv?

B (80:30)

The sanitation department.

A (80:31)

No, it really wasn't that big of a crime. I think there was more behind it involved.

B (80:39)

It's just a big crime anyways.

A (80:41)

Yeah. And so then she was part of it because she signed the thing. So she had to do a year that he did four years, then he got. She signed for a year. Yeah. Then he. He got deported.

B (80:51)

Wait, she was in jail for.

A (80:53)

She had to do jail for one year.

B (80:55)

How did that work out? Did she have a show after that?

A (80:57)

She made all these Friends. She did yoga.

B (80:59)

Really?

A (81:00)

She wrote a book. And then when she got out, she got married to this other guy.

B (81:04)

No. Yeah. So she actually was in jail for a year. She didn't. They didn't abuse her.

A (81:09)

It's called camp.

B (81:10)

It is.

A (81:11)

That's what they would refer to it, really. When I went away. That's a mafia thing, I guess. When they. He. When she went away, they don't want to say jail. Prison. They let her come, and then they, like, say camp. They call it camp.

B (81:24)

She got to cook in her cell and she cut her garlic real quick.

A (81:26)

I think it was kind of real, kind of like a camp thing. I think they had, like, the bunk beds and stuff. I don't know. And then she just, like, worked out. And there's a photo of her with the. With all the other girls. They, like, loved her. Yeah. She let the hair go curly and, like, she did the things like that. I think then she came out and they. They held the show for her. They knew that, like. And then the famous scene, they film it. She comes home at 5am so she.

B (81:51)

Was still on the show when this happened.

A (81:53)

They just basically didn't film for a year. They waited for her.

B (81:57)

Really.

A (81:58)

Yeah. And then when she comes back, he's like, how you doing? Like, they're. That's why they're divorced. But. But when the girls come and hug her, like, I still get chills from it because she's. She does. She is a, you know, a very dedicated mother to her daughter.

B (82:17)

I think I might have seen a clip of that. That was a while ago.

A (82:20)

It's a. I don't see.

B (82:21)

I don't watch the show, but. But I remember that because I remember her face. She was so Italian.

A (82:26)

Yeah. And so. So, yeah. Like, it's just. And now these other shows, these other. There's criminals in every single franchise now.

B (82:35)

Well, there's criminals all over the motherfucking planet right now.

A (82:38)

But I'm like, it's always. It's always. Always shocking that someone is so arrogant and so narcissistic that they think they could go on prison, they could go on tv, while they're doing a completely shady thing and think that. That they're gonna get away with it. I mean, it's a huge target on your back when you're on tv. I always imagine with Teresa Giudice and her husband, I'm like, was the DA just, like, getting in bed and his wife was watching something and he was like. Like, let me go check out these people. Like, where did it like we. She still doesn't know how they were targeted, but we'll never know. She used to blame her cast members. She used to blame Car. This one of the other girls. She used to blame other people, saying you, you know, you put the target on her back and it made it all so juicy.

B (83:28)

But juicy.

A (83:29)

That's where we're at. Okay, getting back to you. And then I'll let you go. Okay, so now you. So you. You have your only fans. You also have your clothing company, which is pretty edgy, fun stuff.

B (83:42)

Yeah.

A (83:42)

And you have the jewelry line. So tell us about those. Yeah. Are you wearing some of it?

B (83:49)

I am. I have a. I have a big gun hanging around my neck right now. Don't get scared. Don't clutch your pearls, just clutch your guns. We're living in dangerous times.

A (84:00)

I think that's very cool looking and I think a lot of people will love it.

B (84:05)

Yeah.

A (84:05)

What does that retail for?

B (84:08)

These are gold plated. They're heavy. You know, it's a big thing. I've been wearing it all summer before we launched it to make sure it didn't do weird shit. Because a lot of jewelry does weird shit. And this is perfect. Like not one. It's still as gold as gold can be. It's really, really well done. This is like 120 maybe. And then we have nameplates. Cause Adrianna and her nameplates were very important. That's the tombstone collection, know who you are kind of thing. And then, I mean, you have a little one on. What makes ours a little different is you can put a charm in here.

A (84:44)

Okay. Around the necklace.

B (84:46)

Yeah, you can put it. And it's sort of, you know, it connects to it. It's not hanging. It's in there.

A (84:51)

That's unique.

B (84:52)

Yeah, it's cute. You can see them on the website. And that's part of the protection collection. These are the protection collection. We have them hanging. We have them that go across and you can put your name on it or you can. It can say ultra free like the name of our company. Because you want to be ultra free. Because who doesn't want to be ultra free?

A (85:10)

Yeah.

B (85:10)

For some reason, ultra free is the word that gets me banned every day on Instagram these days. Because you can't talk about wanting to be that. That's a four letter word.

A (85:21)

Okay.

B (85:23)

But yeah, you know, some people get a little freaked out by the guns. But when I was on the Sopranos, everyone wanted my jewelry and I wore a revolver because my ex's name is Shooter. I wore bullets hanging from my ears, which we're going to be doing also because I always hang my Italian horn from my hoop. So we're doing that later. But right now we have the guns and the name plates. We'll do the pinky rings, too. I see you looking at my Pinky R, you know, because you got to have the initial pinky.

A (85:53)

And what did you think about when the whole. When all of a sudden, the Mob Wife aesthetic became a trend? Like this past year, it was right.

B (86:01)

As we were going out to launch Ultra Free, which was really funny because I was like, geez, I got to go and talk about this mob wife aesthetic thing. What timing. This was my opinion on the Mob Wife aesthetic. Why would anybody be hyped up on looking like a woman who gets cheat on, beat up, and walks around with two black eyes? And you need makeup now. Like, the Mob Wife aesthetic. Everyone's doing makeup tutorials. I'm like, make sure you have your black eye on before you start doing your tutorial. I was like, let's change the name of this to Gangster Goddess. Come on, guys.

A (86:36)

Yeah, But I think there's. What I always loved about it is that, you know, even though they're murderers and awful people, there was always, like, a passion and the gifts. Like, it's the same reason why people love Pretty Woman. It's like, but he took her shopping. Like, I don't know. There's something about that that's like. We know it's wrong. We know these women aren't being treated right. But then there's this other part of women that love to be catered to, taken care of, given a box at dinner of jewelry. And that's a fantasy, too.

B (87:12)

So.

A (87:12)

It's a fantasy.

B (87:13)

I go both ways when it comes to that. Hold the door. I like being a chick. Like, I don't need, but I also am, like, half a dude in my own way. But the Mob Wife aesthetic, I think that the only show that ever showed strong women in that world was the Sopranos. All the other chicks in that world were never really strong. In the other films. Sopranos, those women were ruling. I mean, look at the mom.

A (87:36)

Yeah.

B (87:37)

I mean, she was in control of the whole fucking operation there for a while because she ran his emotions.

A (87:42)

Yeah. That was so juicy. So.

B (87:44)

Yeah.

A (87:45)

Well, tell everybody where they can find.

B (87:47)

Your stuff at Ultra Free Co. And if you dare to look me up on Instagram, you have to put my whole entire name into your.

A (87:58)

Into your d. Mateo Two teas.

B (88:01)

Yeah.

A (88:02)

And. And then also, there's the link there for the ultra free, the clothing and the products and stuff which I think you'll really like.

B (88:08)

Yeah, ultra free with two A's.

A (88:10)

I can talk to you forever. So we'll have to have you come back.

B (88:13)

Okay.

A (88:13)

And I liked explaining housewives to you, getting your opinion.

B (88:16)

I love it. I want to watch it with you right here. We could do like a watching video.

A (88:19)

We should do a watch thing. I love it. Oh my God. The original episode. The old stuff is the best. That's the best.

B (88:26)

I only want to watch Italian stuff.

A (88:28)

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