Heather Shaw From Jim Carrey Doppelgänger to Comedy Queen

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
Episode: Heather Shaw From Jim Carrey Doppelgänger to Comedy Queen
Release Date: May 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and comedic episode, Heather McDonald sits down with fellow comedian Heather Shaw, known for her uncanny resemblance to Jim Carrey and her rising career as a standup comic. The conversation ranges from Shaw’s personal journey—coming out, navigating comedy, viral success on TikTok, her marriage, and real-life pop culture drama—to fun pop culture commentary including Bravo TV, Real Housewives, and the peculiarities of celebrity culture. Expect lots of laughs, candid revelations, and quick wit as two Heathers share the (very juicy) scoop.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Meeting of the Heathers & Namesake Jokes

• Heather on Being a Heather:
  • Heather S. jokes how rare it is to meet another Heather and laments the name’s fall from popularity.
  • “I think I saw on TikTok, somebody said, Heather’s an old name. I was like, fair.” (03:00)
  • Both share humorous grievances about their names, middle names, and ‘Heathers in the wild’.

2. Heather Shaw’s Journey: From Upstate NY to Comedy

• Coming Out and Family Dynamics:
  • Shaw opens up about growing up gay with equally queer siblings and straight ‘breeder’ parents.
  • “My parents are so disappointed. Yeah, we’re only gay. Three. Older sister, younger brother. Me in the middle.” (04:22)
• Discovering Comedy:
  • Grew up loving Jim Carrey; first stand-up special releases May 14th on YouTube.
  • Discusses her career trajectory and how she always identified with comedy but was “chicken shit” about starting until age 25. (16:17)

3. Jim Carrey Doppelgänger Fame

• Internet Fame & Viral TikToks:
  • Recounts going viral in COVID lockdown by launching TikToks playing up the Jim Carrey resemblance, at first jokingly framing herself as his abandoned daughter.
  • “Literally, the first one I posted...it just blew up. And everybody was in their house during COVID losing their minds already. So now they’re like, oh my God, Jim Carrey’s abandoned a daughter.” (30:38)
• On Not Reaching Out to Jim Carrey:
  • Heather S. discusses not contacting Carrey: “I’ve never reached out because it’s cringy. What am I gonna say? Hello, I have your face.” (06:48)

4. Pop Culture Dissection & Plastic Surgery Hot Takes

• Hollywood Surgeries and Body Image:
  • Hilarious diagnosis of celebrity transformations, from Jim Carrey’s fillers to Olivia Wilde’s rumored “upper bluff”:
    • “When you change the eye shape...Then it’s like, it’s getting…that’s what it is.” (10:48)
• Harry Styles & Hollywood Relationships:
  • Poking fun at media’s obsession with Styles’ sexuality and pop star marriages:
    • “I always thought Harry Styles was a little gay.” – Heather M. (08:34)

5. COVID Lockdown: TikTok, Sourdough, and the “Golden Season”

• Lockdown Culture:
  • Both reminisce on pandemic habits, viral Tiger King moments, and navigating TikTok.
  • “I was tiger King and, you know, drinking.” – Heather S. (21:58)

6. True Crime Obsessions: Casey Anthony & Scott Peterson

• Insider Florida Stories:
  • Heather S. worked at a company connected to Casey Anthony pre-trial and shares first-hand stories about Anthony’s chronic lying.
  • McDonald and Shaw debate true crime favorite theories (Casey Anthony, Scott Peterson’s infamous porn cable moment) with comedic disbelief:
    • “Even if you hate your wife…wouldn’t you just wait like a couple weeks?...You’re pretty much hoping that at least she’ll be gone for 30 days.” (29:48)

7. From Open Mics to Headlining: Comedy Career Real Talk

• Hustling in Comedy:
  • Heather S. details moving from Florida’s open mics, to going viral, to headlining, emphasizing the importance of leaning in to opportunity:
  • Advice: “You should never say no to the opportunity, no matter what...just go for it.” – Heather M. (32:15)
• Tough Crowds & Learning Curves:
  • Personalized anecdotes about bombing in Naples, Florida (“Everyone’s almost dead there…they thought I was probably Ellen.” (33:45)), and how the right (or wrong) crowd affects a set.

8. Ellen, Impressions, and LGBTQ Comedy

• Ellen DeGeneres’ Legacy:

  • Honest dish on Ellen’s style, rumors, and the challenges of breaking ground as a lesbian in showbiz.
  • “Do you think anybody's connected with Ellen?...Does she allow connection?” – Heather S. (34:20)

• Impressions Galore:

  • Short bits as Britney Spears, Gypsy Rose, Caitlyn Jenner, and more pepper the episode with punch lines.

9. Love, Marriage, and Modern Lesbian Life

• Meeting Her Wife on Instagram:
  • “She slid into my DMs and said...‘Marry me’. Talk about manifesting.” (47:03)
  • Long distance, first date in Nashville, moving to Kentucky for her wife’s law school.
• Weddings and Family:
  • Candid talk about their non-traditional marriage, split bills, lack of bridesmaids/vows, and both families contributing financially.

10. The Real Housewives (and Housewives Universe) Deep Dive

• Heather S.’s Late Entry into Bravo:

  • Heather M. gives guidance for binging Real Housewives, highlights notorious scandals (Kim Richards’ chicken-salad scene, Lynn Curtin drama), and enthusiastically pitches a Kim Richards biopic/documentary.
  • “There is no better time…there is so much there.” (62:22)

• Bravo Show Lore, Celeb Connections, Bisexuality on Housewives:

  • Updates on Kyle Richards–Morgan Wade rumors, Portia's new relationship, and why pop culture representation matters and fascinates.

11. Celebrity Stalkers, Trolls, and Online Fame

• Strategies for Handling Trolls:

  • “It doesn’t bother me because especially online... you always click the profile... it’s like somebody you don’t respect. How am I going to get hurt by this guy?” – Heather S. (40:53)

• Baby Reindeer, True Fan Encounters:

  • Jokes about Netflix’s wild stalker-based show and the odd dynamics of real-life online fandom.

12. Miscellaneous Pop Culture & Comedic Rapid-Fire

• Drake vs. Kendrick:
  • “Drake is corny and everyone’s finding out. I’ve always stood by this. He’s a cornball, a Canadian rapper that’s like an Ohio surfer.” – Heather S. (71:28)
• Abs & Surgery Accusations:
  • Hilarious debate over Drake’s “fake abs,” and surgery trends among men. (71:48)
• Cultural Commentary:
  • Jokes about names, pleather/leather Heathers, and wildest TV shows watched.
• Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl Feud:
  • Quick pop culture breakdown. “I don’t give a shit. It’s team power and money vs influencer doing coke. I hope they both have fun.” – Heather S. (76:21)

13. Closing: What’s Next for Heather Shaw

• Comedy Special Release:
  • “Special comes out on my YouTube Heather Shaw comedy, May 14, it’s called ‘All Right, See Ya.’ I’m always on the road, so just go to heathershawcomedy.com.” (77:41)
• Upcoming Dates:
  • Tour stops include Boston, Nashville, Bakersfield, Fort Worth, Dayton, Kansas, Phoenix, Oklahoma City, Long Island, and more. (78:31)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• 03:00 — “Somebody said, Heather’s an old name. I never meet Heathers!” — Heather Shaw
• 04:22 — “My parents are so disappointed. Yeah, we’re only gay. Three.” — Heather Shaw
• 05:35 — “F you, Jergens...I cannot tell you how many people say, how do you look that tan? And I go, Jergens self tanner.” — Heather McDonald
• 06:48 — “I’ve never reached out [to Jim Carrey] because it’s cringy. What am I gonna say? Hello, I have your face.” — Heather Shaw
• 21:58 —“I was Tiger King and, you know, drinking.” — Heather Shaw
• 30:38 — “Literally, the first one I posted...it just blew up. And everybody was in their house during COVID losing their minds already.” — Heather Shaw
• 32:15 — “You should never say no to the opportunity...just go for it.” — Heather McDonald
• 33:45 — “Everyone’s almost dead there…they thought I was probably Ellen.” — Heather Shaw (about Naples, FL audiences)
• 47:03 — “She slid into my DMs and said...‘Marry me’. Talk about manifesting.” — Heather Shaw
• 62:22 — “There is no better time…there is so much there.” — Heather McDonald (on Kim Richards’ life being TV gold)
• 71:28 — “Drake is corny and everyone’s finding out...He’s a cornball, a Canadian rapper that’s like an Ohio surfer.” — Heather Shaw
• 76:21 — “I don’t give a shit. It’s team power and money vs influencer doing coke. I hope they both have fun.” — Heather Shaw

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:15] — Heathers discuss their names
• [04:30] — Heather S. on being out and family dynamics
• [05:00] — Viral Jim Carrey resemblance and fame
• [07:43] — Hollywood surgery talk (Jim Carrey, Olivia Wilde)
• [16:17] — Early comedy life and parents’ reactions
• [21:55-24:12] — COVID, TikTok breakthrough, Tiger King era
• [25:04-29:57] — Casey Anthony case deep-dive and true crime tangent
• [31:30-34:05] — Comedy career climb post-viral moment
• [35:55-36:05] — Ellen, LGBTQ comedy references
• [46:39] — Meeting her wife, modern lesbian relationships
• [53:00] — Wedding tales and family support
• [55:27-56:21] — Real Housewives and Kim Richards deep-dive
• [71:28] — Final pop culture lightning round (Drake, abs, rapid-fire)

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Episode Tone & Dynamics

• Playful banter between two sharp-witted comedians.
• Honest, irreverent takes on Hollywood and celebrity news.
• Candid LGBTQ+ life discussion with humor and relatability.
• Quick pivots between barbed pop culture observations and jokes, yet moments of vulnerability and realness about comedy life, love, and family.

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Where to Find & Follow

• Heather Shaw’s Upcoming Special:
  • ‘All Right, See Ya’ — Premieres May 14th on YouTube (Heather Shaw Comedy)
• Live Tour Dates:
  • Full schedule at heathershawcomedy.com

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For a full dose of juicy humor, comedy career real talk, and pop culture deep-dives, this episode is a must for fans of sharp, unfiltered podcast fun.

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[A]

Whoop, whoop.

[B]

Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm so excited because I have a funny lady, a hilarious comedian, a fellow Heather. It's Heather Shaw and welcome to Juicy Scoop for the first time.

[A]

Hello, Heathers. I never meet a Heather. This is nice.

[B]

You don't?

[A]

I don't ever meet Heathers. Where are they?

[B]

You are a little bit. Okay. I always joke that our name is gonna become like Gertrude. It is. But you're younger than I am. How. Do you mind if I ask your age?

[A]

I'm 58. No, I'm. I'm in 38.

[B]

So I feel like I'm a little bit of like. Cuz I feel like the majority of Heathers are like, where are they? They're in trailer parks. No, they're like my age.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's, it's like, it's like the 70s, 80s.

[A]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

[B]

And I have been trying to encourage young women to name their Children, Heather and Bring it Back. Make Heather's hot for generations to come.

[A]

I don't think it's happening. I think I saw on TikTok, somebody said, heather's an old name. I was like, fair. I was like, I never meet Heathers. I love it. You're like, the second Heather ever.

[B]

Well, thank you. You and Locklear, what's your middle name?

[A]

Aletha. Good luck. I don't know. My mom is on drugs, I think. I don't know.

[B]

That's an interesting middle name. Aletha.

[A]

Everyone thought it was Alicia, and I had a lisp, and I'm like, no, it's Aletha. I think it's English.

[B]

Or like a Visa.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's what my middle name is. It's like, Barcelona. I'm like, hilarious. Baldwin. Yeah.

[B]

Where do you hail from?

[A]

I'm. Well, I'm from upstate New York.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I've lived all over, and now I'm in Louisville, Kentucky. Get me out. I'm trying to. I'm trying to convince my wife to move to California and.

[B]

So you are a lesbian?

[A]

Yeah, fully. I'm out, baby.

[B]

Are you a gold star late in life? What are you.

[A]

No, I always knew I was gay, but I would bang guys.

[B]

Okay, good for.

[A]

You know, I like the unit. Don't like what's attached to it.

[B]

All right.

[A]

But it's a good. You know, I'm a penis friend.

[B]

And when did you realize, like, I think I. I want to go full. Full gay and just be with a woman and have a happy life?

[A]

Well, I always knew. I knew that was going to play out, like, in first grade, I was like, oh, I'm a. I'm a lesbian. I didn't have to. My siblings are gay, too, so we're very gay.

[B]

How many?

[A]

My parents are so disappointed. Yeah, we're only gay. Three. Older sister, younger brother. Me in the middle, gay, singing show tunes.

[B]

And are the parents straight?

[A]

The parents are straight, yeah. I'm pretty sure. Are you sure they made kids? Yeah, they're like. They're committed to the straight life. They're breeders.

[B]

Okay. So when. When did you realize that you were funny or that you wanted to make this a career because you're a great standup comic? You have your first standup special debuting May 15th. You said 14.

[A]

May 14th. Yeah, yeah. On YouTube.

[B]

On YouTube.

[A]

It's gonna be MySpace, but here we go. We're on YouTube instead.

[B]

You have a huge tour. I discovered you and started following you back when I saw you on, you know, doing reels and tick tocks. Yeah. And one of the things is, though you are a female, you do look very, very much like Jim Carrey. It's that weird.

[A]

It's the mouth, right?

[B]

It's the nose, too. Really? I got the brown eyes like, y. You absolutely could be his daughter, brother, sister.

[A]

Some people say, grandma, I gotta moisturize. I gotta start moisturizing and doing Jergens. She's so tan.

[B]

I'm like, how did you do Jergens self tanner, everybody?

[A]

It's a secret.

[B]

Oh, wait. Speaking of which, you know, we reached out to them. I had some reach out and. Cause I said, I really have been pushing the Jergen self tanner for, like, years. And they wrote back, and they said, in all transparency, we are only looking at younger people. F you, Jurgens. And I'm like, I cannot tell you how many people say, how do you look that tan? And I go, jurgen, self tanner.

[A]

But got to start lying.

[B]

Tell people only buy it if you're under 35.

[A]

No, you got to start lying now.

[B]

Now.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

Well, who cares, Jurgens? At least throw me a few free.

[A]

Would never really care. Yeah.

[B]

There's another self tanner, people. Come on.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

And let me know about you.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

She's tan. I'm done with loyalty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so. So tell me a little bit. So you said you. You're the middle child.

[A]

Middle child. Always looked like Jim Carrey. Heard it like. Yep. From upstate. Basically, Canada kind of counts, you know?

[B]

But do you now ever looked into if there's any 23 or me.

[A]

No, my mom could never pull Jim Carrey. No.

[B]

No. Not like, he's your dad. Oh, you're, like, further back, like fourth cousin.

[A]

I don't know. I've never looked into it.

[B]

I mean, what. Opposed to Canada? You never.

[A]

I know, right? Maybe one slipped over in the. In the border.

[B]

Have he. Has he reached out to you at all?

[A]

No.

[B]

You reach out to him?

[A]

No, I've never reached out to him because it's. It's like, cringy. What am I gonna say? Like, hello, I have your face. And then what. What's. What would you do if somebody DM'd you that looked exactly like you? Would you be, like, blocked?

[B]

I have. That will say, this is your doppelganger. This person's on 90 day. Fiance. Whatever. Some. I'm okay with some. I'm like, yeah, that girl's pretty.

[A]

Well, you're not reaching out, going like, no, no. Right.

[B]

If it was. I guess if I.

[A]

It was another comedian.

[B]

Yes. If I. If there was a comedian that, like, you know, was 20 years old or like he's 20 years older than you or more. And I just can't believe that he hasn't. That someone hasn't sent your stuff to him. I'm sure he hasn't reached out.

[A]

I'm sure they have, but he's probably like, okay, that's. I don't. Well, I don't know. Maybe you don't care.

[B]

What about that whole thing that happened? What did you think that happened? When. When it was like the conspiracy. That he was. That he was wearing a mask or that he was there and that he looked so different or he got work done. What did we ever find out?

[A]

It's face work. All of a sudden, people forgot about facework.

[B]

So you think it was him?

[A]

Yeah, everyone thought it was, and it

[B]

hadn't settled down yet.

[A]

Yeah, there was fillers. I think there's some bleff. Upper lower middle. Who knows?

[B]

The left can really. You know who I think just got an upper bluff?

[A]

Ryan Seacrest. No. Okay, I'm just guessing.

[B]

You know Olivia Wilde?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

She looks. I gotta do a video on that. Okay, what's going on there?

[B]

I. Olivia Wilde, beautiful actress. She dated Harry Styles for a while, who, by the way, is now engaged to Zoe Kravitz.

[A]

Gets engaged every year.

[B]

But also, I don't think anyone seems to care. No one cares.

[A]

And they keep pumping the. They keep sending it to, like, people to pump. And people are like, we don't. We have. We're fine.

[B]

We don't care.

[A]

Harry Styles. Who cares?

[B]

And. And I always thought Harry Styles was a little gay.

[A]

He's a little gay, isn't he?

[B]

He's a little gay.

[A]

He's a little gay.

[B]

And then she. And then they worked on that movie. Don't Worry about It, darling. They were on that movie Don't Worry about Darling, which I was so excited about because I love Palm Springs. I have a house out there. I love that era of 1960s. And I thought it was like a. Going to be a fun, like, 1960s thing. And it was so d. The end. He was just like, oh, what do you call those creepy guys that are just into video games?

[A]

Yeah. Wasn't he just like an incel. Like, just like a redditor.

[B]

It turned out he was just an incel. He was of his beautiful girlfriend who was a doctor that he. Whatever.

[A]

Didn't he, like, sedate her and then just make her perfect in, like, a virtual world or something?

[B]

In a Virtual world. They were in the 1960s, and she was like a 1950s, 60s housewife, and that's what it was. But anyway, Olivia Wilde was in it, but she was a director and basically left her husband, Jason Ducas Sudeucas.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

Sudeikis.

[B]

Yeah, I like. He served her while she was doing, like, a TED Talk or like a panel.

[A]

Yeah. It's fierce.

[B]

Divorce papers. Anyway, she showed up, and I'm like, listen, this is this. What is going on? And I'm like, I guess this is just someone who is already thin, that's jealous that everybody else is getting thin and wants to be the thinnest. But then my friend sent and said, no, she got the upper bluff. I think it's that I have always said I like that sexy eye look.

[A]

What is an upper bluff?

[B]

Okay, so it's like. Okay, so say how I have a bone here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So some people have different eyelids, and she's one of those people. She never really had the bone, but I think it's pretty. Like Renee Zellweger and Leann Rimes and a lot of people. It's a very. It's a unique eye shape. I think it's beautiful. But then you go see a plastic surgeon, and they're like, no, we'll take out this piece of skin so that you then can see that bone. But it really changes your look.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you can lift your face a little, you can fill your lip a little, but when you change the eye shape. Yeah. Then it's like it's getting. That's what it is. It's not only is she older, always been thin, but now she's really thin, though.

[A]

I'm like, Ozempic. She would waste away. Like, maybe.

[B]

I think it's this. I think she's always being thin and just.

[A]

She looks. Yeah. It was spooky.

[B]

I don't even know where we were.

[A]

Shout out. Olivia Wilde. Well, carries upper blood. So anyways, Bow ties.

[B]

That was such, like, a kind of a fun couple days of conspiracy theories. Because then it was like, no. Is it this Alexis Stone, who's, like, this incredible makeup artist?

[A]

And she played into. It was smart.

[B]

Yes, smart. And then it was no, but his daughter, you know, and girlfriend are there and, like, what is it? But then he had that weird voice in the speech was like, is he playing. Playing into, like, a fun experiment for us to freak out?

[A]

No, I think it's just aging. It's like Biden now isn't Whisper. Biden's like. But like, when he was 30, he probably was more. I think he's just an agent.

[B]

That rabbit hole about the Biden doubles and that. Like, there was one Biden that was, like, three inches taller.

[A]

No. I had a guy come up to me at a show after and be like, I know it's you. And I'm like, what? And he's like, I know you're Jim Carrey as Joe Biden. And I was like, I got to get the fuck out of South Carolina. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Greenville, South Carolina. You're fucked up. Yeah. I mean, this guy. None of the conspiracy theories make sense. Like, they thought I was on the red carpet as Jim Carrey, but my. But then what? I'm wearing a prosthetic mask. That makes me look crazy. I don't. I couldn't follow. People were saying I was a clone. I'm like, what am I? Why am I involved?

[B]

Okay, so when a frail lesbian. You did realize there is a strong, very strong resemblance.

[A]

How old were you, child? Like eight. When Ace Ventura movies were coming out. Because I could just pull the face. Oh. Just like the. All writing. I can just do that.

[B]

And when was. And that was. You went to see Ace Ventura and you did that?

[A]

Yeah, I would just do it for, like, my friends and babysitters and, you know.

[B]

And so the first time you discovered it yourself.

[A]

Yeah, you could just pull the face.

[B]

And you enjoyed his comedy, too. Yeah.

[A]

Huge come. Yeah. I love his films. I know way too much about him now from being online. Like, I don't need to know that he's a Capricorn. Don't need to know that. I don't need to know his personal life at all. I'm not somebody that's, like, super into, like, you know, stand behavior, but I know way too much about that man now from online.

[B]

Well, one thing I do love about his story, couple things that I really do love, is he was the manifesting mama before I was the manifesting mom before Amanda on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was a manifesting queen.

[A]

Because her courses.

[B]

Yeah. Because he wrote himself a check.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For $10 million. Put the date on it.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And just, like, put it away. And like, a few days before that day expired, the agent called and said, you're gonna do this movie and they're paying you $10 million.

[A]

That's sick. I love that.

[B]

It is amazing.

[A]

He's a manifesting mama.

[B]

He is a manifesting mama.

[A]

Get it, jc? I love it. He's very spiritual.

[B]

I love that too.

[A]

I mean, he's on red carpet saying he's not real. That's fun. Is that schizophrenia? I don't know. It's fun. Who cares? I would also be like, I'm not real if I was that rich.

[B]

I remember when he was dating Jenny McCarthy.

[A]

Yeah. She's commented on my videos and I'm like, this is a love triangle. I don't want to get involved.

[B]

They were together like four years. Yeah. And that was. That was like kind of a juicy.

[A]

When was that, though? Like, that was.

[B]

I remember it was my early Chelsea lately days because Chelsea and she were close. I was like, on the road with Chelsea and they were like, going through something because she was being a good friend and, like, taking the phone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, oh, are they like, breaking up? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know when a girl is just like, going through it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're just like, okay. Yeah. And then they did. They broke up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was obviously. She's definitely married. Oh, my God. They could not be, like, more happy.

[A]

Which one? What's Bruce? Donnie.

[B]

Donnie. I don't think there's a Bruce.

[A]

There probably is one out there that just like, runs a bank. I don't know. There's so many Wahlbergs, I can't keep track. Baldwins.

[B]

Okay. So what was your like, high school life like? Were you always. Were you in the theater arts?

[A]

No, I went to a private school in Florida. What? Kind of like, horrible. Like, just like non denominational, I think. Catholic. I don't know.

[B]

How do you know if it's Catholic or not?

[A]

You have to difference between Catholic and Christian to be so honest.

[B]

Well, do we. Were there. Were there priests? Was there. Was Jesus on a cross? And did he have good abs? Great abs. Then you were that. You were at the Catholic school.

[A]

I remember being like, that guy's fudgeing hot. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was Catholic, yes.

[B]

Catholic, yes. Otherwise Christian would not have that crucifix. They would just have a cross.

[A]

Interesting. Only I didn't know.

[B]

I believe people will correct me. I believe from all my Catholic education, being raised Catholic, that the crucifix is synonymous.

[A]

Ripped Jesus, Catholic. Okay. That really checks out because I remember every time it'd be like, eight pack.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this guy's ripped.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. So no public, like, no public funding. So it was all like, no arts programs.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was real sad. My religion teacher had Sarah.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

She would tell she had half a brain and I'm like, we can make it up. It's fine. Yeah, you don't need. This isn't math.

[B]

And so she.

[A]

Yeah, so it was fine. But I. I wasn't in theater. I always knew I wanted to do stand up, though, but I was chicken shit.

[B]

When did you. When was the first, like, stand up thing that you saw on TV or.

[A]

I remember, like Comedy Central. Half. Remember the half hour?

[B]

I watched those all the time.

[A]

I know. I would watch them non stop and just be like, I want to do that so bad. And I. I grew up on Jim Carrey movies, so I really.

[B]

Your parents, like, that's gonna be you one day. Were they supportive of that dream?

[A]

No, No, I don't. I don't. I think they just wanted me to have a stable job where I could make money. All they care about is just like, just please make money so that we don't have to, like, you know, bail you out in life.

[B]

And what were they, like, middle class? Upper middle class, Yeah.

[A]

I would say upper mid. Okay, but like, frugal probably had more money that they let on. They're retired now. They retired rate at like 55.

[B]

You know, you're like, why are you living so good? You fuck.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

I don't care. I'm just kidding. I don't.

[A]

Yeah, I wish I was bougie. Gosh.

[B]

Interesting that you. You guys can now buy a second home.

[A]

Why are we eating cheese and crackers for dinner, dad? Yeah, I mean, I think we. We can afford something better.

[B]

Why are you.

[A]

We were going to lose the house, Literally. It was like that mentality of, like, we drive Toyota Camrys and we have no money and it's like, okay, you're retiring on a beach right now. You're fine. I'm happy that they're good. Thank God. I don't want, you know, my parents working as Walmart greeters. It's good that they're retired, but. Yes. Yeah. So I always wanted to do stand up. I was too chicken. And then I finally did it. Like a 25 in Orlando.

[B]

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[A]

It was great. You know, it was a sad open mic. Low stakes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Only comics in the room in Orlando.

[B]

Had you prepared? Like, had you been working?

[A]

I've been writing jokes for years.

[B]

So you kind of knew, like, this would be a good little five minute.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, there were. It was one liners. I was doing one liners when I started because it was like, you know,

[B]

did you lead with I look like Jim Carrey? No. Okay.

[A]

I didn't do any of that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

People would always tell me after shows when I started doing shows and stuff, they'd be like, you know who you

[B]

look like and when did you finally, like, lean in and know that? And then realize, I'm. I'm really funny. But this does help Covid. Oh, okay.

[A]

Everybody was bored making sourdough bread. Remember that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

God, we were depressed. Yeah. We were in the house.

[B]

I never made the sourdough. I didn't either.

[A]

I was tiger King and, you know, drinking.

[B]

Me too. I did a Tiger King video. I acted like that weird lady and rode my bike around.

[A]

Carol.

[B]

Yeah. And I had a Bengal cat. So I acted like the Bengal cat was like the tigers.

[A]

Yes. Carol basket.

[B]

That was, like, the fun part of

[A]

COVID It was Covid.

[B]

Season one was the best. The first season was unbeatable together. Everybody enjoyed the break.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it jumped the shark. We got to like, yeah, it totally jumped the shark. Like season three, it jumped the shark.

[A]

I'm like, we're still doing masks outside. We can't do this.

[B]

Yeah. But the first. That. That was the golden time. And like, that time where, like, all of a sudden I like, remember, like, I talked to my friend because it started March 20, and I talked to my friend just after Easter, and she said. She was, like, whispering, and she's like, we saw another family for Easter. I go, what? She goes, yeah. Ramy couldn't take it. He's like, I have to see another family. Her husband. And I was like, oh, my God.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And I go to my husband. I'm like, noelle and Rami saw another family. At Easter. And my husband's like, I'd like to see another family. And then we were like. And then people started to, like, fish.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, they started to fish. Like, it's almost like having an affair. Like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Would you be down to me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. And people like, yeah, discreet. Real discreet. Yeah.

[A]

I was in Florida, which was great because it was like. That was after three hours. They were like, it's over. Go outside. They didn't even address it. If you wore a mask, you recall,

[B]

that was the craziest thing that, like, based on where you live.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I got caught smiling in a photo once during COVID and people were like, yeah, yeah, sorry that I smiled.

[A]

Jesus. It was. It was a different time in Florida.

[B]

Yeah. And I think that the people that were really strict about it and, like, out to, like, get people ruined, they're like, quiet now.

[A]

Where are they at?

[B]

Yeah, they're. They're not, like.

[A]

They're not leaving their house, I don't think. Still no leave.

[B]

They're just kind of like, okay, let's not talk about that time.

[A]

Yeah, it was a weird time. We were instacarting groceries and wiping them down. I mean, what are we doing? I remember doing that once, and I was like, I'd rather just get sick. This is insane. I'm wet, wiping my, you know, box of cereal. I can't do this. It's too much. Losing dignity.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

What a time during COVID I was bored. I said, I'm Gonna get on TikTok, this weird app where children are dancing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm going to convince them. I was like, let me just see if I can convince them, because I always hear it now. How long?

[B]

So now, let me see. So now at this point, you've been doing stand up, like, five years.

[A]

5ish years. Yep.

[B]

And were you making any money at it?

[A]

No. Bar, you know, local shows. I would feature here and there.

[B]

That's all in Florida, where you lived?

[A]

Yeah. So it was very easy.

[B]

What was your day job before COVID

[A]

I would do, like, admin work and project management for, like, theme park companies. I worked at a desk that Casey Anthony worked at in Orlando. I opened the desk drawer my first day, and there was a picture of a pregnant Casey Anthony with my boss. And I was like, what the fuck is this? And they were like, oh, she worked at that desk. Isn't that nuts? It was her last job before the murder that she's off on. Innocent Love Florida.

[B]

I have another podcast called Juicy Crimes, and Casey Anthony is One of those. That is like my top tier. Like, watched everything on it. You wouldn't. Followed the whole story when it's happening in real time. Watch the trial.

[A]

I was in Orlando during that.

[B]

So that was a job. Because was.

[A]

That was the Universal connection.

[B]

But then she also. I thought she never had that job.

[A]

She had access to Universal Studios through the company we worked at, but she didn't actually work Universal Studios. So that's why she brought them down that hallway. She had access still. And then when she got to the end, she's like, all right, I don't actually work here. So it's like we had access because we were working with the theme park.

[B]

But at one time she did work there.

[A]

She didn't work at that. Yeah, she had this desk because we were a photo. It was like a Kodak kind of company.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Like theme park, roller coaster ride photos. Basically, it was like the engineering for that. So.

[B]

And did you go to.

[A]

I asked the tea. I went. I said, what's you got to tell me? And they were like, number one, she lied about everything. Like, you could see her eat a salad at lunch and she'd tell you she had a hamburger.

[B]

Those kind of liars fascinate me.

[A]

Lied about everything.

[B]

And then it's like a grifter, liar, con woman, all that kind of stuff. I like. I'm always like, why? What is the goal about lying about what you had for lunch?

[A]

Even when people saw.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then she wouldn't. She. For the first five months of her pregnancy, she told everybody it was a cyst. Isn't that crazy? They'd be like, you look. Are you good? And she'd tell everybody. And then finally, at like five months, she was like, all right, I'm pregnant. And they're like, we know. We know. Isn't that wild?

[B]

What is your theory of what happened?

[A]

She murdered that baby. She took that baby's life. Yeah. I think. I don't. I don't really know about any of the family dynamics. This is what I didn't really care.

[B]

My theory of what happened.

[A]

She didn't want to be a mom. She's a Florida mom.

[B]

I think this is what I. What?

[A]

Here we go. You better not say no.

[B]

I don't think the dad had anything to do with it.

[A]

No.

[B]

What I think happened was, I think that she accidentally gave her way too much Benadryl type of something.

[A]

See, like, for sleeping.

[B]

And was like, if she could just sleep, like, longer than. I can go do this thing.

[A]

Yeah. Like, go out and.

[B]

Or Maybe she'd done it before. Successfully.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where she'd given her stuff, gone out, come back and she's fine. Left her at home alone, whatever. That's what I always thought. Then when I watched that last thing that was kind of. There was one that was like very much. You know, the thing about documentaries, especially crime ones, they don't have to show both sides. They just, they, they edit it so that people watch it and there's new info.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all of a sudden, then people are convinced and all of a sudden Rosie o' Donnell is like, I believe like Rosie Odell gets switched so quickly.

[A]

She's a little, she's gullible.

[B]

You know, Eric and Lyle Menendez, I call him on the phone at the prison and pro Casey Anthony. After watching. Yes. After watching that, she was like, I knew it was the dad.

[A]

This is like people who think Scott Peterson's innocent. I can't do that.

[B]

No, Heather, I don't think he's innocent.

[A]

Thank God.

[B]

I want to say. Oh, there was just a news article that said they're, you know, they're not. However, it is a very compelling case because of the other similar things that were happening in that town.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But there was so much evidence that proves that, you know, what the lying and everything. And I've talked about him ad nauseam, but I, But I am like, wow, there are a lot of things where there were other pregnant women missing and there were things like that that could help. But my always thing is, even if you hate your wife and you weren't excited about the baby, how many people are like, oh, my God, thanks, God. Kind of hoping she would die. She went missing. We don't know where she is. In the meantime, let me reinstate my porn cable channel.

[A]

Or go to Mexico with blonde hair.

[B]

Yes. Well, that was later on.

[A]

It was later.

[B]

But it was because he was tired of people approaching him.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

And that $8,000 was from a car he sold. No, I know. These are all the stories.

[A]

Oh, these are the stories. These are the defense.

[B]

But the one. But really, it was the porn cable.

[A]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Okay, so. So she's missing.

[A]

He's. So she's. She's missing, can't find her.

[B]

And then he calls up the cable company and is like, can I reinstate the porn channel?

[A]

This is very important.

[B]

And I think it's these details that to me tell the story because I'm like, if you believed that somebody had kidnapped her, she's broke her ankle in a ditch while taking the dog for a walk. We're gonna find her. Wouldn't you just wait like a couple weeks? Because if she comes back tomorrow, you're gonna have to cancel it and you're gonna have to pay for the whole month.

[A]

And you're gonna explain to her that you signed up for porn while she

[B]

was missing, but you're also gonna pay for a month that you didn't. So you're pretty much hoping that at least she'll be gone for 30 days.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So that, you know, $12 or whatever it was at the time is a waste.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was really. Really what?

[A]

That's a hard one to sell.

[B]

That was. That was a hard one, like.

[A]

But also, men don't think long term. I think so.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Who knows? That's just a crazy. Yeah. The Casey Anthony.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't know anybody that.

[B]

That's insane. Okay. So did you go to college?

[A]

Yeah, so I went to. I was in Orlando. I went to UCF for a little.

[B]

Did you enjoy it?

[A]

No, I hated school.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I hate school. It's not for me. I always knew I was not.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I wasn't going to be an engineer.

[B]

Okay, so you've been doing it for five years. It's Covid. And you decide. First video that kind of, like, really popped.

[A]

First one, literally, the first one I

[B]

posted joined Tick Tock.

[A]

I joined Tick Tock. I posted a video saying, can you please help me find my father? He's abandoned me, you know? And I did this. And it's like, I was like, nobody's gonna really. This will be fun. And it just blew up. And everybody was in their house during COVID losing their minds already. So now they're like, oh, my God, Jim Carrey's abandoned a daughter.

[B]

They believed. Yes.

[A]

And I had to walk it back because I was like, I'm not. I'm gonna get sued. This is gonna be like Jim Carrey, deadbeat father, you know?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I kind of. I walked it back a little. I had fun with it still with the lookalike stuff, but I kind of slowly just did my kind of comedy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Talking about, you know, celebrities and kind of just transitioning to that. So. Okay. Yeah, it was immediate, but I think it's. If I did it now, I don't know if it would have blown up as much. Everybody was in their house. Right On Tick Tock. On social media.

[B]

Yeah. Timing.

[A]

There's a goddamn minds, you know?

[B]

And so then when you started to get a big following on social media, did it then how did that propel, like, selling tickets and getting better gigs.

[A]

So then I was like, okay, I done stand up. I had, you know, feature time. And I was like, I want a headline. Probably had, like, 40 good minutes. And I was like, I'll just figure it out. In the first year, I was figuring out how to get to an hour of, like, good material. But, yeah, that helped. That helped, like, start, you know, I started just booking shows of my own, going to clubs and, you know, hometown and, you know, working on an hour and get. Because I'd never headlined before. It's crazy. The first time you're headlining.

[B]

Do you remember that? Like, I mean, I remember, like, the first time someone asked me to do 20 minutes. Yeah. And I didn't have 20 minutes, but I said yes.

[A]

Yeah, if you can do. You got, like.

[B]

But I mean, you should never say no to the opportunity, no matter what

[A]

it is, unless you're.

[B]

You will figure.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I mean, like, say, unless you're lying about being a surgeon and someone's like, can you do open heart surgery tomorrow? And you're like a con man goof. Please don't do that. But if you're just, like, doing something like that and you. It is kind of above your pay grade or whatever, just go for it. Know that you can, like, do it.

[A]

Yeah. You got to strike.

[B]

Because if you say no, the opportunity, it might not come back again. So, yeah, I remember going, will this be hard? But it wasn't. Because once you're, like, flowing, right, and, like, you know. Yeah, you're looking at the clock. It wasn't ever like, oh, my God, I'm only at. You know.

[A]

And they also don't know. Like, I remember I would start. I would do 45. That's my headlining set. Like, when I first started.

[B]

Isn't that, like, the minimum?

[A]

That's. That's the minimum. Yeah. You can do 45 to 60. I think after like, an hour, you're like, all right. I've seen headliners do, like, an hour and a half, two hours, and it's like, you're insane.

[B]

Oh, people are like, three hours.

[A]

Yeah, I can't. That's like, now you're just masturbating. What are we doing? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I started with 45 and just slowly became very comfortable with it. Now I'm like, you know, I do, like, an hour. Yeah, it's fun sometimes. If it sucks, though, I'm like, thank God it's 45. Good night. You know, you just have, like. You're In Naples, Florida. Sorry, Naples.

[B]

And what do you think that is that you think it's based on you or the crowd?

[A]

It's the vibe of the crowd. Yeah. And maybe I'm just have. Yeah. They just don't connect. Like I'm saying Naples, Florida is just. It's not my kind of crowd. I don't know why they booked me. It's like very. Everyone's almost dead there.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Very nice people. But I. I was. I was bombing.

[B]

They just don't get it.

[A]

They don't know gay. I'm like talking about prep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do they. You know? So I'm like, teaching them. What about trans terms? It's like crazy. They don't know. I barely know. This is not good. We're not learning. I was bombing so bad. I just started doing crowd work with old people. I'm like, what medication are you on? You know? I'm just like, what blood thinners you got going on?

[B]

They probably loved that. Yeah, they did. They couldn't hear.

[A]

They thought I was probably Ellen. Who cares? It's fine. Yeah.

[B]

How do you feel about Ellen? Was she someone that you enjoyed the comedy of or that you, like, connected with at all as a comedian?

[A]

No. Do you think anybody's connected with Ellen? No offense. Does she allow connection? I liked her here and now that first. I think it was like an hbo.

[B]

After, when she came back, God talking to God.

[A]

And like, she did.

[B]

I thought her style was like. Like, I remember the first time I saw her, I had just started doing stand up, and I was like walking around ucla and it was like, winner of the da da da da. Like, Elliot. And I'm like. I'm like, oh, you know that there were so few women doing stand up. Yeah. Back then that I was like, who's this pretty blonde girl? Like, how did she win? Know anything about her? And then when I started to see her stuff, I'm like, oh, her.

[A]

Her.

[B]

You know, take. Her cadence is so funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then, you know, and then she had her first sitcom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they changed it to no. The first sitcom was like, just my. These friends of mine. And that didn't work. It was going to be just like. There was a time when everybody was trying to do friends.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So they're just like, let's just put everybody. And they have their quirky friends, and they have their horny guy friend and they have their, you know, needy girlfriend. And then, you know, and so she was playing straight. She was straight. Then they got rid of that and they called It Ellen. And then she had her friends. And then by like the fourth season was her coming out. I'm gay. Yeah, I'm gay. Yeah. Do you do impressions? I don't do a lot.

[A]

I list. I like. Britney Spears is really fun to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're just. It's just a quick, quick, like, you know, like, whoa, holy. Like, I just like doing that real quick. Gypsy Rose is very fun to impersonate.

[B]

Let me see that.

[A]

You know when she'd be like Ryan, like, she's just crazy online. She's crazy character.

[B]

Her trajectory.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love it. I'm team Gypsy. Team Gyps. She's fun. She's fun. I love her.

[B]

She's like calling the paparazzi and wearing like a 2000 Herve dress walking around.

[A]

Her daughter's name is insane Aurora Urker. If that kid has a speech impediment, she's. She'll be like, oh, like, that sucks.

[B]

What do you think about her plastic surgery? Glow up and her wigs?

[A]

I love it. I hope they give her.

[B]

I.

[A]

They should make her a housewife soon. I mean, I would love.

[B]

I don't think enough people watched her reality show.

[A]

She had one.

[B]

Yeah. You're not even that good of a fan.

[A]

Yeah, I don't even. I didn't know. But it was probably like a serious tone.

[B]

Well, the first husband was the male version of her mother. Remember how much they looked alike? Yes.

[A]

The big hefty.

[B]

So then once all the fun ended from her going. Getting out of prison.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and she stopped doing all her interviews. Then they were back in like, Louisiana. And just going to like, whatever we

[A]

need to make her glamorous. Put her in Beverly Hills.

[B]

Yeah. She didn't like that. So she got rid of him and she got back with the old boyfriend that she met in prison.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they had the baby and then they broke up. And now I think she's probably like on only fans or whatever.

[A]

She's got to be an of.

[B]

And she got a nose job. She did, yeah.

[A]

God, I really have fallen off the gypsy.

[B]

She got a nose job. I think everyone kind of has.

[A]

I mean. Yeah, because it's like you gotta kind of last. Yeah. There's got to be something more. We need something else.

[B]

Go on. Only fans. You'll do fine. There's enough people that still, like, probably would think that was interesting or whatever.

[A]

Yeah. With a voice like that, though, it's like any guy that's into that, it's a little creepy, right?

[B]

That little Baby voice.

[A]

It's a little creepy. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's really interesting that people would remember when everyone realized that Paris had a fake voice.

[A]

Yes. I always knew that deep. That deep was in there. Like, that. Hey, how you doing?

[B]

Voices are so interesting because I always

[A]

said she sold it.

[B]

Like, a little kid that has a scratchy voice will work. Yeah, they. Oh, like Lindsay Lohan. Whatever. Yeah.

[A]

There's the raspy voice.

[B]

Scratchy voices. Also women that have a scratchy, lower voice, they could be £100 and a model, and they will be the lead detective.

[A]

Like, are we talking, like, an Emma. Like an Emma Stone voice?

[B]

No, like, there. This woman named Angie Harmon, she was on like. Yeah. She was always like, yeah, I'm the detective here. And I'm always like, God, if I had a scratchy voice, I think I'd work more. And then I'll be a detective.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then there's the girls that, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, play a character to get a guy.

[A]

Yeah. I love it. I love that Paris did that. That's so. She's smart.

[B]

Yeah. She was always like, it's hot.

[A]

Yeah, that's hot. Yeah.

[B]

And she'd be like, can I get a coffee?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

I love that switch.

[B]

It's great. But does she. She still kind of does it.

[A]

She does it. And I think it's a little weird because it's like, we know, girl. What is this? We know now, but it's your trademark thing.

[B]

40s, like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But I mean, also, like, genius, successful,

[A]

like, no, she's smart. I like her.

[B]

Like, and how she. I, like, figured out everything. Yep.

[A]

Loved her and Nicole Richie and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and they had to go through some with. Man, I know Hilton.

[B]

And I mean, that's wild. Everyone just. Yeah, it was a wild.

[A]

That's insane that they dealt with that.

[B]

I know. Like, I just saw a little clip of Hilary Swank.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was doing, like, a panel, and this woman asked her and said, I hope you don't mind me asking this. You know, I hope this is an okay question. And she's like, yeah. She goes, I'm curious if you ever saw the episode of the Office where they were debate talking and debating whether you are an attractive woman or not. And her answer is weird. Her answer's kind of like, well, would you ever ask a man that? I'm like, okay, so are you mad at the woman, or are you mad that the writers of the Office wrote that? And she goes, because all the characters I play are beautiful. And I don't really think that was a good answer. What I would have wanted to hear is really like, yeah, actually, like, give me the juicy scoop. Actually, I turned on the TV and I love the Office and I watched it and I was like, I can't believe they're talking about me. But, oh, fuck, they're saying I'm ugly, but I have enough confidence.

[A]

No, I'm not.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

Or at least just be like, yeah, it was so funny.

[B]

Or I was so hurt. Like, I just kind of want to know what's the real. What was the real. That was no answer. Tell me what the real thing is. Because we've all had those moments where you're like, are my feelings hurt or have I gotten to a place of being a comedian and in this thirst game that, like, thanks for mentioning me. Like, Right, right. Have I gotten to the other side, like, because I've gone like that with things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you gone like that? Like, like where things would bother you or criticisms bother you and then you get to the other side or you're still not on the other side.

[A]

No, I never bothered me. I read every comment. I love it. I love it. It doesn't bother me because, like, you know, especially I deal with online. So it's not like I'm blogs or Reddit or, you know, it's just like online comments I'm seeing and it. You always click the profile of somebody who's leaving a shitty comment. It's like somebody you don't respect. Like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How am I going to get hurt by this guy? You know what I mean? Like, if I saw him in the street, I wouldn't even notice him. So I think nobody doesn't bother me. It makes me laugh a little.

[B]

Yeah. No one's going to be critical of you. That is somebody look up to that is more successful.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

More attractive or more.

[A]

It's never really hot people.

[B]

Yeah. Or more. Or richer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No rich, super attractive person who's super successful is going to be like, you know what? I don't think that 30 second video was that funny. Yeah.

[A]

This unfollow.

[B]

And I'm gonna now spend this time writing this.

[A]

Yeah. It's a. It's a miserable person activity.

[B]

Right. And I even think like when there's something. When someone. When TMZ posts something and you start to just read the comments out of curiosity. Yeah.

[A]

What are those?

[B]

And I'm like, this is not the temperature of America.

[A]

No.

[B]

Because America, most people have jobs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they wouldn't if they even saw the article, they wouldn't have time to go and comment.

[A]

No, this is unemployed behavior.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is like 45, living with mom behavior.

[B]

You know, I always say down in the basement, I always say, they're baby reindeers. Remember the show Baby Reindeer. That's who it is.

[A]

Yeah. It's very like, oh, I missed that show, man.

[B]

That was so good.

[A]

That was a fun one. Baby reindeer.

[B]

And then what I learned about baby reindeer. This is the show on Netflix where the guy based on his true life had a crazy female stalker. Scottish. But what was so interesting is when she lost interest in stalking him for a little bit and he got a little buffed.

[A]

Yeah, I would. I would be like, come back, stalker. He was a little sad.

[B]

There is something flattering, a little stock stock about having a stalker.

[A]

Scary.

[B]

But in the beginning, have you had any?

[A]

Like, none I had. Do you have weird fan.

[B]

Like, I had this one person on my Facebook years ago that would just write just like, the same thing every time, which is like, I really like your hair. I really like your hair when you wear it like that. Well, I basically have always had a side part. This is my hair for years. So I never changed it. I wasn't someone. So I was just like. And I don't know if he cut and pasted or couldn't remember that he wrote the same thing before it was a guy. And some people were like, this guy's scary. Like, you should. And I'm like, I think that if I was to block him or that's gonna.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's gonna tip him over right now he's just leaving a comment.

[A]

Appease him. Just let him. Let him.

[B]

Like, who cares? Yeah, right?

[A]

Yeah. When you piss him off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's when you start seeing, you know, dead rats in your mailbox or some.

[B]

Right? Yeah, Yeah, I think. But no, I think it's very real. And I think, you know, it's really scary for some people, but yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, a little. A little stalker's fun. Nothing serious.

[B]

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[A]

Okay.

[B]

So. So then you start to pop off. You have this big tour coming up.

[A]

Oh yeah. I'm just always on the road. I'm always amazing and then I love it.

[B]

Let's talk about.

[A]

That's my sister, Kentucky. Just kidding.

[B]

You have a gorgeous wedding photo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Your wife is stunning. I love her. She's beautiful. Yeah.

[A]

Great dress.

[B]

And you're in a really cute, cute suit.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I like warehouse. I like your satin. Did you really get It. It's very. It's because it's fitted and. Yeah, it is attract. How did you meet? Tell me a little bit your love story.

[A]

We met on Instagram.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

2021, you know.

[B]

So you are already doing your videos?

[A]

Yeah, she had. Yeah. She. She liked me. She didn't like my comedy. She's. She wasn't a. She's not like a fan. She liked. She thought I was hot, but she thought. She's like, I didn't. You're fine. Fine. Your comedy's fine. You're kind of gross. So it wasn't like.

[B]

So wait, so she just likes my aesthetic. So she slid into your.

[A]

Slid into my DMS and said what? She said, marry me.

[B]

That was the first. That's what she left.

[A]

Talk about manifesting.

[B]

Talk about the most lesbian story I've ever heard. No, I mean, everyone says, oh, second date is get to U haul. We'll slide in dms.

[A]

She was sending the U haul confirmation.

[B]

True manifestation.

[A]

True manifestation. I mean, you can say that when you look like that. Yeah, Anybody will.

[B]

Very pretty.

[A]

You know what I mean? But her bio on Instagram said UK law, so I thought she was in, like, Europe up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I thought she was British. Yeah. I was like, this is fun. Talk to a British lady. Cheerio.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I realized I learned that UK is University of Kentucky, which I did not know that existed.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So then I was like, oh, no. Is she gonna sound like a banjo?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know that accent? Yeah, but she's got a nice little twang. It's not too. Not too thick. Thank God. That'd be a deal breaker if she sounded like.

[B]

Okay, so how far do you go from marry me on DM to like, actually talking on a phone past text, Talking on a phone, or FaceTiming, like a week in. Okay.

[A]

A week of DMing, maybe. I was in Austin at the time. Okay. And so, yeah, we would FaceTime.

[B]

Living in Austin.

[A]

Living in Austin. Yeah.

[B]

And doing standup. Doing your thing.

[A]

Stand up. Yep.

[B]

And at this point, your career is, like, on a nice rise.

[A]

Yeah. And I wanted to start headlining. I wasn't headlining yet. Okay. So I was in Austin and so I was.

[B]

And what was your. What was your relationship status prior? Had you had serious relationships?

[A]

Kind of. I would, like, date somebody for six months, maybe three weeks, maybe a year.

[B]

Did you have to do, like an official coming out party or.

[A]

For what?

[B]

Tell your parents or anything or.

[A]

No, I was second in line of the gays. Okay. I don't think any of us came out I. I think they were like. Yeah, we know.

[B]

You're the siblings, you mean?

[A]

Yeah, me and the siblings. Nobody really.

[B]

So your oldest sibling is a girl, too?

[A]

Yeah. She's 40. Yeah. She's in her 40s. 45. So she's 90s lesbian.

[B]

Okay. What's the difference between a 90s lesbian?

[A]

Well, they were, like, rare. Like, they had to really fight oppression. Like, you know, when Glee came out, that's when it was cool to be gay. Remember? They were great point overturning gay marriage. Like, you could get gay married.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Rosie was on the steps marrying people left and right. Next up, you know. Right, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But like, in the 90s, it was like.

[B]

Well, that's when Ellen was like. Yep.

[A]

Yeah. Remember when she came out, she got, like, banished.

[B]

Yeah. And then she's crazy. Did kind of get banished. And then she came back with her talk show about being nice. Right.

[A]

Which was like, I'd rather you just be a straight lady, go somewhere else. Now you're just a mean gay. You're waterboarding your staff. What are we doing? And that was great. I'd heard those rumors for years. So by the time it came out, it was like, yeah, we've. You've known this for like a decade at least.

[B]

I know, like, writers were on the show before, but I just think you'd appreciate it. I. I know someone who, like, was trying out for the job to either be a writer, work on staff, something. Yeah. Okay. Behind the scenes. And it was like their second or third interview in person. And you know how she would always do, like, the scaring people and freaking. And if this guest was, like, terrified of frogs, she'd have, like a frog jump on.

[A]

It's like, so mean.

[B]

It's so mean.

[A]

So mean.

[B]

And so anyway, the girl is, like, talking to her or whatever, the candidate. And the candidate, like, looks at these curtains and, like, sees the Ellen. Tennis shoes, like, behind the curtain. And she's kind of like, she's giggling. Like it's almost like a little kid. Like, she's like, should I, like, play along? That she's gonna, like, pop out in an interview. In an interview. This is what was told to me. I did not live it. I'm just telling. Yeah. So just for legal reasons.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

Allegedly. And so then she, you know, had to, like, act scared and stuff because she wanted the job.

[A]

Oh, my God. She had to. Yeah. Scare herself into getting the job.

[B]

Oh, no. You're so kind of like your 4 year old's hiding. Where is Brandon? Yeah. That's so Weird.

[A]

And it wasn't filming weird just for Ellen's enjoyment.

[B]

It was just. Yeah. Like her kink. That is so weird. I know.

[A]

Remember when she, like, hid behind a door and popped out at Taylor Swift and she always had a heart attack at like, 25. That's weird. It's just weird, man. You know, honestly, the best women do P. Diddy. Right?

[B]

And she's like, when are we gonna have a pizza party?

[A]

How many talk of pizza? These. I know. I'm like, tone it down. It's weird, though. I mean, like, you know, men in. Men in Charge do weird stuff with women, and then women in charge just scare celebrities, I guess. I don't know. I mean, that' the worst. And treat their staff like wild.

[B]

Okay, so getting back. So you meet.

[A]

Where were we? Yeah, you're.

[B]

You're meeting your girlfriend. Yeah.

[A]

So we've been talking for a few months.

[B]

She's your wife.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And then we met up in Nashville.

[B]

That's hot.

[A]

Yep. New Year's Eve hang out in Nashville

[B]

for your first date was New Year's Eve in Nashville?

[A]

New Year's Eve weekend? Yeah, we, like, hung out for three days in, like, an Airbnb.

[B]

How fun was that? Great.

[A]

Yeah. Because I was like. I was like, I think she's amazing. You just got to be sure. And when you meet him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's not some weird mole or something. You know, dating. She was great. And then we started dating from there, and then I finally moved to Kentucky because she couldn't move. She's in law school.

[B]

Oh, she's in law school.

[A]

Yeah, she was in law school.

[B]

So I, you know, now she's a full lawyer.

[A]

Now she's a lawyer. Yep. General counsel shout out. That's a big deal. I guess.

[B]

I know. Well, my sister's a lawyer, so it's hard.

[A]

I feel your pain, sister.

[B]

It's really hard.

[A]

It's great for contracts.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But.

[B]

And so, yes.

[A]

Now we've been in Kentucky since I moved there in 2022.

[B]

It looked like you had kind of a big wedding.

[A]

Yeah, it was low. There's like 80 people. I wasn't trying to feed random relatives.

[B]

And how is her family? Did they. Did they, like. Who paid for the wedding?

[A]

Split two women. You just go half in and the parents didn't pay? No, parents helped out. Oh, okay. Parents. Five bucks each side covered my suit. Yeah, the parents helped out. You know, it was all very evenly split some things.

[B]

Did you have bridesmaids?

[A]

No. Neither of us did. It wasn't. It Was very non traditional. Like we didn't do public vows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm at. I just not. I don't want to look over and see my uncle as I'm like professing my love to my wife.

[B]

You didn't?

[A]

No.

[B]

So how do you do it without any vows?

[A]

You have the traditional vows? Yeah.

[B]

You're saying you didn't write like, well, I will always make your milk milkshake.

[A]

You know how you like your coffee in the morning.

[B]

I got you, girl.

[A]

Yeah. It was none of that.

[B]

No, we did the traditional ones too.

[A]

You did?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you promised. Yeah.

[B]

We got married in the Catholic church and it was just the tr. It was a long Jesus. It was at long marriage. Huh.

[A]

Oh, you're the absence on Jesus on the wall.

[B]

And then, you know, went over to Mary and like gave flowers and all that.

[A]

You did all that?

[B]

We did.

[A]

Oh, I have to do my first Catholic wedding this fall.

[B]

Yes. Attend.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not officiating.

[B]

And have you asked them, is it a full mass?

[A]

I think it is.

[B]

Because ordeal, like there was a time where they said, you can. You don't have to do full mass. We can do it in 30 minutes. And my mom was like, it doesn't count. Yeah. So we did full mass and it was air conditioned church, but it was a solid hour and a half. Hour and a half an hour. And I.

[A]

And you're standing up.

[B]

I still want to apologize to like everybody. Well, I, you know, I'm an actress. I'm a comedian. I liked being on stage.

[A]

Yeah, it was fine for you. It was like shitless.

[B]

I was like, it was weird because I always as a kid was like, why would someone be nervous on their wedding day? Like, you're not performing. Like that's not a big deal. But then right. Right when I was about to walk down, I was like, this is so weird.

[A]

It's so weird because you get one shot. It kind of feels like an audition or something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, one shot. I have to be serious. I'm never serious.

[B]

And then I had the full veil and everything. And right before I went down, I put the thing over. And then my sister was like, oh, my God, I don't think you should do that. You look so pretty. Just do it. And I go, oh, I just thought I would do this. And that was like the one thing that my husband later on said. Oh, I was kind of disappointed. I was like looking forward to doing that whole thing. And I was like, the wedding's ruined. The day's Ruined, like, the one thing I know. I was like, oh, my God. You didn't care about anything. You just told me that you were, like, one thing. I would have done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll never get that chance.

[A]

Have you done the vow renewal?

[B]

Is that a thing that we did once in Cabo? Like, we were at the. It's always a Cabo trip with some people. And. And we were at a. And we all.

[A]

All.

[B]

There were four couples.

[A]

Fun.

[B]

We all did it. One couple did get divorced, but we. The other three couples are still together. And then I. I like. The only way I would do it is if I was on Real Housewives and someone was paying for.

[A]

Always do it at a. Yeah, they always do it because I'm deep in OC right now.

[B]

So. Yeah. So you're a late in life.

[A]

I'm late in life.

[B]

Real Housewives watcher, which I think is a gift.

[A]

So many times people are like, if

[B]

I could start all over again. And people say, I'm Heather. I'm. I'm about to start. Tell me. Give me some guidance. And I would say O.C. and New York.

[A]

Yeah. Is.

[B]

And Beverly Hills. Beginning. No.

[A]

Oh, Atlanta.

[B]

Atlanta. From the very beginning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All of them from the very beginning. You've never watched.

[A]

Because he was rough in the beginning. The first. Because it was the first one. So it's a little. It's.

[B]

It's weird.

[A]

It was weird.

[B]

It was truly more like a documentary documentary. And they weren't, like, getting into, like, really integrating with each other.

[A]

Camera got there and started stirring up.

[B]

Then it was, like, about their relationships with the other women. Yeah. At that time, it was just watching these five families or whatever.

[A]

Fascinating.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I still liked it. 2006 in Laguna beach or wherever.

[B]

There's something, like, calming about it, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From that era. Because you're watching it and you're remembering your life.

[A]

Sky tops.

[B]

Yes, sky tops. I remember the crash of 2008.

[A]

There's something like the fraud that was bubbling underneath an O.C. just everybody. House of cards. Very, very few people had actual money. It was all just once, that economy crash. You just saw Lynn Curtain. Crazy. Do you remember Lynn Curtain?

[B]

I know Lynn Curtain. She's wearing. I have a Lynn Curtain cuff. Oh, you. Do you know where Lynn Curtain's daughter is today?

[A]

Yes. It makes me so sad. I saw the video of her, like, no fingers fails.

[B]

She lost her fingers, too.

[A]

She lost two things. She lost two things to addiction, but they're like this. So she's just always rocking out. She's I felt so bad. I think one daughter's doing okay.

[B]

Bad for Lynn, cuz I mean I, I, of course she. It's not. When your kid is in that situation, it's not like you can say, come home. They don't want to come home cuz you won't allow them to do drugs at home. It's a very tough love all.

[A]

It's really rough and I think that guy just dipped. I don't know where Frank. I don't know where the hell Frank went.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Last I was seeing on Reddit it was like, who. Who knows where he is? Cabo. I don't.

[B]

And so yeah.

[A]

So this old O.C. man.

[B]

So you. So you're not currently watching anything?

[A]

No, I am. I'm deep in O.C. i'm in like season 12 and I started Rhode Island.

[B]

So you're fresh on Rhode Island. Yeah. And what do you think of Rhode Island?

[A]

I think it's fun. I'm getting there. I was surprised at the accents. I didn't realize Rhode Island, Alicia, girl. I know she's got. It's like Massachusetts kind of. And also Jersey.

[B]

I don't know what it is.

[A]

I didn't realize I have family in Rhode island, but they're not from there. And I'm like, oh, I didn't realize they might have that Northeastern, like, Family Guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Accent.

[B]

And I mean, I'm dying over this podiatrist who's cheating which I guess the podiatrist owns a medis spa and the girl he's having the affair with is the esthetician. And she's like in real time, like posting. Let the. They are like while they're filming the show. And the other cast members, like, she just posted that they were together while he said he had to go visit his sick mother.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

It is like, amazing.

[A]

And they all really know each. I really like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, they're very. They grew up together, most of them. It's very interesting, that kind of dynamic. Yeah. Because most. Sometimes you're like, these women don't hang out, you know, And a lot of them don't. Yeah. Now they probably do.

[B]

So you're not on current Beverly Hills.

[A]

No, I haven't started at all. I. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, you're gonna.

[A]

I can't wait to get to Kim Richards when.

[B]

Oh my God, it is. There is a moment when Kim Richards, who's kooky, I don't know if you've ever seen this clip, is making her famous chicken salad to serve her the kids that are coming over for prom pictures later that night.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And there she's, you know, on. She had pills. Kid. No, Kim. Richard's life is so juicy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, if someone said, what do you want for your birthday? I would say, I want to wake up and find out that on my birthday, June 14, there is a documentary or a scripted show on Kim Richards life.

[A]

Can we get it? I know. I mean, she was child actor, right? Child actor, Yep.

[B]

And then got. And really, the mother. Kathy was one of those mothers that was all about getting her daughters married to the richest men available in la. Okay. So she sought out, like, the old money in la, which there. I never even knew old money in LA existed because I grew up in the Valley. But she. They're in Beverly Hills, so they found, you know, got her to date this one guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm thinking of all the different. So married a really rich guy, had, like, one child or something, and then broke up with him and like, married another really rich family. Davies. I can't remember all these different. And then, like, left him or was dating him, but then, like, married his brother. Then she had another boyfriend that was the love of her life who got shot in front of Brent's deli. But it was like he was involved in a Ponzi scheme.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

And then I found out on a Cabo trip with a friend of mine, the real person that shot him. And it's not part of the Ponzi scheme.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

And then there was. Was Jesus. Other guy. And then. So she has, like, four kids, but then she had her alcohol struggles and her financial struggles. And right now she and. And Kyle are, like, suing each other because she's living in a condo. And then. And then my favorite part is she's living in this rental in Westlake Village, and this very unattractive guy she meets in her mailbox, and that becomes her boyfriend. And Brandy Glanville is like, he looks like a. Oh, God, This Nate. I can't remember. Baltis Master. Whatever. There's a dog.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

What is the name of that dog?

[A]

Mastiff.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, that dog. And he really did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's on the show.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. And then she's like, you know, 48 at the time, and she sees Kyle at Vanderpump at, you know, her Vanderpump restaurant. And she's like, I gotta have another baby. Yes.

[A]

And this is the audio.

[B]

Kyle's like, I'm gonna have another baby. Yeah, yeah. She's like, kid. No, you're not, you know, that goddamn house. And she's like, I've done so much. I've done so much for you and I. And there is no better time. And you have. You're gonna get to watch that.

[A]

Yeah, I get to take it from the start. It's one of the last few, because I'm putting off Jersey, too.

[B]

When she makes the chicken salad, she mixes it with her raw.

[A]

Raw chicken hands.

[B]

And, like, her daughter's getting her hair done. And in the back, the camera zooms into her being, like, this is just. This is my favorite chicken salad. This is my first chicken.

[A]

And she seems fun. I feel. I feel bad for that. Makes sense that she's. She maybe turns to drugs and alcohol.

[B]

I would do if she gets better, but I think in the meantime, it's rough. Bravo, peacock. Netflix. Do me a favor. There is so much there. I know what she should do.

[A]

Well, did she come in and out of Beverly Hills?

[B]

What she needs to do Kim Richards. You need to do it yourself. Say, I'm gonna tell you how my whole story. You can collect all the photos. You're gonna tell the whole story. Because I have such a juicy life story, but I'm gonna make money on it. Yeah, I. And I don't care how bad it looks. I don't. I. Because I want it to be a huge hit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But she's not gonna be able to do that until she's.

[A]

Well, what's the narrative around her? Do people root for her?

[B]

Yeah, because fans are rooting for her. Entertaining.

[A]

Yeah, she's.

[B]

And she really was the child. So, like, Kathy worked a little bit. She was from a different father. Then she had Kyle and Kim, who was a couple years older with this other guy. So Kathy was, like, modeling and stuff. And then she got married to Hilton, really. But then it was Kim that really worked all the time. And it was Kim who was, like, basically, you know, helping to support the whole family. And Kyle worked, too, but, like. And then. So then I think when Kyle became, like, the bigger star on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I think there was this, like, little thing, like, I'm the star. And did you ever see the very famous movie Whatever Happened to Baby Jeff Shane?

[A]

No. I want to see it, though. I do.

[B]

Like, there's a very little bit of that storyline of, like, two sisters, and one was a child star, but then one was the more successful adult star.

[A]

One worked their ass off, and then

[B]

one kid, but then didn't. Wasn't as together because they were a child actor.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They probably are a little up now. And the other one, who really wasn't a child actor is very successful. Successful, which is Kyle.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.

[B]

Kyle might be. Well, she'd never come out late in life. Les.

[A]

Yeah. What's going on? Or a little bye bye. What's going on there?

[B]

She's like a girlfriend. Wade, I'm gonna make you love me. You don't know about Morgan Wade?

[A]

What's her. Is that a woman?

[B]

Yeah. You don't know about Morgan Wade?

[A]

No. Is it country music?

[B]

Listen, this is. Sorry, I. I don't care that you are behind on Housewives, but you need to be up.

[A]

No, I. I like. I like to know. Yeah, okay. There's not many.

[B]

There's more and more every day. Ramona, do you know Portia? Have you watched it later?

[A]

Oh, yeah, she's Portia. She's with a stud now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know, she's just. I don't know if I, I.

[B]

No, she said, she goes, I always liked girls. I had a little girlfriend when we were in first grade and she was on my friend Carlos King show. And she said like we used to kick kiss each other by the tire. And I always kind of liked that. I think she was like one of those girls it was married to dudes.

[A]

Cordell was pretty feminine.

[B]

What?

[A]

Cordell?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cordell always had a. Rumors of being gay.

[A]

He's all gay. Allegedly. Yeah, he's a little gay guy. Yeah, she was his doll. You know what I mean? He just got to dress her up and control her.

[B]

Yeah. I remember it was like. And she didn't get pregnant with him.

[A]

No. Because you got him. Fuck.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

I'm just saying he's old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's fun. She's got a. She's. She's dating a woman that's one gay.

[B]

Gay.

[A]

One gay housewife. One gayish housewife. A little bisexuality. It's nice.

[B]

Yeah, Kyle, maybe a little. She's just like. Yeah, but. But she's like unapologetic and great and happy and like so fun.

[A]

She's funny too.

[B]

She's so fun to watch and so gorgeous and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then. But Kyle, it's been this tiptoe thing where she put it out there. She brought her around. She did this sexy music video with Morgan.

[A]

Oh, is this a country singer?

[B]

Yeah. She's very pretty. She's very, very tattooed.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then she brought her on the show.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Everyone was made aware of she and her music, which she's talented. And then it was then Kyle went and told all her castmates, don't bring up Morgan. We're. She doesn't want to be talked about on the show anymore.

[A]

And I was like, oh, okay.

[B]

This is like a Matt rife. I don't like my female fans anymore. I don't want the middle aged, white, straight, housewife audience. I want real country or real, like, you know, tattooed, lesbian, edgy people to like me.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Even though this really helped get you known. So she's like, no, I want privacy. And then Kyle's like, crying to Erika Jayne, and she's like, I really. I had a relationship with this person who I really loved this person, and this person really loved me, but this person didn't want to be in the public, so I had to end it with this person. What should I do? Erica? And then Erica's like, I protect that person. Yeah. I protect that person with all my heart. And so she's never. But then she was like, I talked about it with my daughters. I said, you're gonna see this in the news. And I don't know how you feel, but she was basically tiptoeing around it because she's like, you're gonna see people talking about me possibly being gay, but she never says I'm gay. She never says I have a relationship with a woman. And she just is like, I don't know. Maybe it'll be Brad. Maybe it'll be Angelina. And it's like, okay, okay. Bisexual queen Kyle Morgan, who wanted privacy, is now just been cast as a bartender in the spin off of Yellowstone called Dutton Ranch Girl, and she's starting a podcast. So did she use Kyle and she's starting a podcast?

[A]

Of course. The most private thing you can do. Start a podcast. Please don't look at me.

[B]

Subscribe about your mental health, your most intimate things about yourself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Great.

[A]

So does she use Kyle? Is that I.

[B]

No. So Kyle has a house in Nashville, and people have seen them hanging out and eating.

[A]

They were still doing it.

[B]

And then Kyle was gonna do a documentary about her. So my theory was always, maybe they're not a couple. Maybe Kyle is just savvy enough, she is the aunt of Paris Hilton, to use this to get people into Morgan Wade. And then maybe she will make her to be the next Harry Underwood, and she would have a stake in that. But that documentary never came out.

[A]

Yeah. So then maybe not. Maybe they were really.

[B]

I think they were romantic, but now they're just friends.

[A]

Scissors sisters.

[B]

But maybe not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But also As a May December relationship. Right. And this happens 20 years difference.

[A]

Oh, 20 years. Morgan Wade is 80.

[B]

I was always shocked about. No, the other way around. You are joking, right? Yeah. Morgan Wade is like 30.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And Kyle's like 55.

[A]

That's fun. That's great.

[B]

So I do want to ask about that because I was always so like, oh my God. About Holland Taylor. And I don't understand that, but I support her name.

[A]

Sarah Paulson.

[B]

Yes. They've been together now a very long time, but when they first hooked up, she was already like 70 and. And Sarah was like barely 40.

[A]

Yeah. Interesting. That's interesting.

[B]

I mean, I think that they're the only ones that are like a 30 year lesbian. Difference happens obviously a lot with gay men.

[A]

Yeah. I've never seen a woman in her prime, in her 40s be like, I want that 70 year old. That's interesting. So that's. That's got to be real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, Holland Taylor's beautiful, but she's 70 or 80.

[B]

Yeah. It's a lot, right?

[A]

It's a lot of, you know, early dinners.

[B]

I remember people were wondering if like, I remember just seeing like videos that are people giving their theory of. Do you watch Hack Hacks?

[A]

Yeah. Love Hacks.

[B]

If the two Smart and Hannah were. That'd be hot.

[A]

I bet there's something fanfic out there

[B]

about that, about them having a relationship.

[A]

Yeah. But isn't Gene smart banging a dude?

[B]

I. I just beautiful. I just think there is just like a mother, daughter love there.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jean Smart's beautiful. I get it.

[B]

Is beautiful.

[A]

I know. I'm like, I get it.

[B]

Yeah. And Hannah's beautiful and a great actress, so. Yeah. I just think they just have a connection. They do great chemistry.

[A]

Everyone in that cast is great chemistry. Great show.

[B]

Did you see the last episode? The episode number four, when she meets the Little Debbies?

[A]

Yes. At the convention at the. How that is.

[B]

That episode was the. How real was that? As a comedian. Yes. That I never.

[A]

I know.

[B]

They nailed it. My friend Guy Brannon was in it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he writes. He's one of the little writes on the show. His episode's coming up in a couple weeks. And I called him because I was literally like, every single line of that episode, every single thing that happened in that one was so. Yeah. Relatable.

[A]

I know. They nail it. And that's why. Because they have comics writing for that show. It's like they get it. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was so good. How sad. Comic yeah.

[B]

And how, like, she's disappointing people and.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

But they're socially attached. Then she meets this woman who's like, my mom and I just connected over you. And then the. And she's like, I watched that. I cried.

[A]

Yeah. When she was like, my mom wanted to see you. You.

[B]

Yeah, but my mom passed.

[A]

I, like, was. Was like, this is why we do this. I know. It's crazy.

[B]

This is why we do this.

[A]

Are wild.

[B]

I thought this was so funny. Your take on Drake the rapper. Let's.

[A]

I can't. I can't.

[B]

What? Tell us the latest. What's going on with Drake.

[A]

Drake is corny and everyone's finding out. I've always stood by this. His music's fine, but he has a cornball, a Canadian rapper that's like an Ohio surfer. I. I can't. So, yeah, he's got a new album coming out called Iceman, which is just hard in this day and age. Ice is hard driving. A hard branding.

[B]

Yeah. Why would you choose that? You're right.

[A]

You know, it's a hard one to brand.

[B]

And also not just ice, and then, you know, with ice, but also just like, you know, you're always hearing how, like, the world is, like, losing our icebergs.

[A]

Global warming, everything about it. Yeah. I think it might be a Toronto reference. Like a Canadian reference. Maybe I'm not aware of. Maybe, like, there's a company called Iceman. I think somebody was saying there is a company in Toronto called Iceman. I'm like, okay. I'm sure that's what he was doing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But, yeah, so he put a giant block of ice. That thing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That just looks like, you know, what is it in New York? It's in Toronto.

[B]

Oh, in Toronto.

[A]

And he put the release date on a piece of paper at the.

[B]

So he has to wait for it all to melt.

[A]

Or he wanted crazy frat boys to take ice picks to it.

[B]

And what happened with.

[A]

I think that both happened. I think white guys with boners about Drake, frat kids named, you know, Braden that are 5 foot 6 showed up with zins in their mouth and started breathing heavily on it until it melted. His fans are corny. They're frat boys. You know, I don't. I'm team Kendrick always.

[B]

I have met Drake.

[A]

He's wonderful.

[B]

At. At a Kardashian Christmas party.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Check that out. And I took a photo with my Drake and him. And I like your Drake.

[A]

He's. He's white and fun.

[B]

Yeah. And he was, you know, obviously, he's nice. We're at a Christmas party.

[A]

Like, he's gonna be nice. He's not gonna be, like.

[B]

He's not gonna be dick, but tall.

[A]

I mean, smell weird.

[B]

No, he was, like, sitting, and he was totally sweet, and he was very nice, and then. But Canadian, I always think. Let's not forget that he was texting Bobby Millie Brown when she was, like, 11,

[A]

talking about, like, if you need any boyfriend advice, let me. Girl, that's creepy. I don't ever want to text a teenager, especially about, you know, dating. I don't buy it. I just. Weird. He's weird.

[B]

It's like that thing, like, you tell your kids, no adult needs a child's help.

[A]

He's got the Jesus Christ abs. He's got the fake abs.

[B]

Now, when you said. I saw that now, is that fake abs? Fake apps? Like, he had, like, a chest plate on.

[A]

No, it's like a surgery. He got, like, a contouring of his ass.

[B]

Oh, where they suck out the.

[A]

Where they can make.

[B]

How do we know that for sure, though?

[A]

Because you look at the picture and then look at his pecs. They don't match. Like, if you had abs like that, you'd have also kind of some pads. You don't have, like, nothing upper. And then all of a sudden, you're just ripped abs. Unless you're Jesus. So, yeah, you know, people have said that he's, you know, Kendrick alluded to it. Bbl, Drizzy, you know, he likes. It's okay, but own up to it. You know, say you like plastic surgery, right?

[B]

He's a good.

[A]

He's a good actor. I think that's what he's doing. He's cosplaying as a rapper, and I see. Hold on.

[B]

Get out this cough, please, because. Hold on. Stuck in my throat. Sorry.

[A]

It's okay. I'll fart in the mic. You know, I've never had Covid. Oh, my God.

[B]

I've never tried cooking two things.

[A]

That's why you never had it. If you were in Florida, you'd pick it up real quick.

[B]

Maybe leave that part in. Leave that.

[A]

You could leave that whole coke. You'll get Covid, baby.

[B]

Coke and Covid. Florida joke, triple header joke. Leave that one in. Heather Feather. Did anyone ever call you Heather Feather?

[A]

Yes. Or light as a feather, but you can tell me the weather. You wear pleather?

[B]

Yeah, Pleather. Leather? Yeah, leather. Heather, did you ever. You're younger than I am. Do you ever see Leather Tuscadero?

[A]

No. What's that?

[B]

She was like, this Girl on Happy Days. And then. Yeah, there's just all the Heathers.

[A]

Yeah, you get all the Heather references.

[B]

Heather Locklear.

[A]

Locklear was the only Heather I knew. She's great. Yeah, she seems great.

[B]

Do you know she's dating Lorenzo Lamas?

[A]

Who the fuck is that?

[B]

They're just both camels. They're both like in their early 60s and they both were like the hottest stars in the 80s and 90s. Yes. He's been married like seven times, but he's like very good looking. And he had a reality show called Are youe Hot?

[A]

This sounds familiar.

[B]

Horrible. And he would take a laser and the girl would have to come out like a pageant in a bikini. And there'd be a panel like American Idol. And then he would take a red laser or to show like that she's not hot because there's like a dimple in her.

[A]

Sounds great. It sounds promising. Why didn't this show get picked up for 85 seasons?

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Featuring llamas.

[B]

All right, last topic before we wrap it up.

[A]

Yes, I'm gay.

[B]

Whose side are you on? Alex Cooper. Alex Earl. And what do you think is going on there? Let me get your take.

[A]

I don't give a shit. It's team power and money verse, Team influencer doing coke. I mean, I hope they both have fun. Fun. I hope it's for pr. To be honest.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

I don't think it is.

[B]

I don't think any of those are. I thought it would be. I never think two people get together and I think like YouTubers back in the day would like state and stuff for something like that. But this is not that. Well, I just think like if you

[A]

have an unwell network and you're so successful, why would you meddle with this? Like, why wouldn't you just be above it? I don't understand.

[B]

Well, some people think that she did address it Alex Cooper because she knew the article was about her husband coming out and she kind of wanted to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Distract from that.

[A]

I'm going to go with Team Earl. Just because she seems. I've heard she's nicer. Yes, I've heard she's nice. She likes her Molly. Who doesn't? But she's nicer.

[B]

Allegedly.

[A]

Yeah, allegedly. Who? I mean, I don't know.

[B]

I just don't want to.

[A]

Yeah. And then Cooper just seems like a fame like money hungry, power hungry. Her husband's tyrant. I, I, I like that energy. It's like we all poop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Once People see themselves. Seriously, I'm like, please, you shit. It's fine.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Let's go back.

[B]

Let's go. So you have your tell everybody where they can see you and follow all your stuff and your live shows. So you've got the. They can watch your show.

[A]

Special comes out. Yeah. On my YouTube Heather Shaw comedy, May 14, it's called all right, see ya. I'm always on the road, so just go to heathershaw comedy.com.

[B]

boston, Nashville, Bakersfield. That's California.

[A]

That's this weekend. I'm dying. I have to go to Bakersfield. Will I survive?

[B]

You'll already have been there before. This airs, this air after that. Bakersfield is beautiful, you know, it's the number one murder. It's like got a lot of homicides.

[A]

Great. I'm gonna kill.

[B]

I. I interviewed this girl who was a reporter and she. All she wanted to do was be a crime reporter. And so someone said, then you should work in Bakersfield. And so she did. And she's a really pretty. Yeah, she, she got.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Found a trip triple a triple murder and did a whole podcast about it. Yeah.

[A]

Bakersfield, baby. It was a fun time. Thanks for having me, guys. Love your meth.

[B]

Then you go. Okay. Then you have.

[A]

Yeah, we've got Texas.

[B]

Wait. Coming up. Okay, we have Fort Worth, Texas, Dayton, Cincy, Ish area. Kansas.

[A]

Yeah. I'm hitting up all the hot spots in America, as you can tell.

[B]

Oh, Phoenix.

[A]

Phoenix in August. What's worse?

[B]

Well, I'm what though?

[A]

I know, but like Caitlyn Jenner under the sun. But. But, oh, the sun is hot. I love the Caitlyn voice. So fun to do. Oh, Donald, It's a marker with the M marker, you know.

[B]

Wait, I have to tell you a funny story. So Caitlyn belongs. Caitlyn belongs to my country club. Yes. I love that she piloted her Lala Kent and Amber. Do you know who Lala Kent is from Santa Pu. She's familiar. Yeah. And Amber, which is amazing. They both, both were. They both were this. Had the same baby daddy. Yeah. They're like best friends.

[A]

Great.

[B]

And do a podcast. And they're both gorgeous actresses and like, no wonders. And my son just was like, I don't understand how they ended up with that guy. And I'm like, I'm like, you don't understand. Women just want a guy who likes them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you just love them, blood bomb them and give them a compliments. We're like, I guess you are my soul mate.

[A]

Yeah, take notes, Drake.

[B]

We're not picking.

[A]

Literally. Anyway, just love bomb them.

[B]

I was telling some story about Caitlyn Jenner and I turned the corner and I'm in the golf cart where you can hear and there was Caitlyn. And I go, I go, something Jenner. And I go, you know Brody Jenner and bro, I was talking about Brandon and Brody Jenner.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who used to be on Princess of Malibu that Spencer Pratt like put together and produced. And I'm talking about that. And I go, you know, and I'm saying the word Jenner and I literally turn and they were like, oh, my.

[A]

How you want to lady straight. Everyone love it. She's fun.

[B]

I like her. The Phoenix people will want to go and be in an air conditioned. Yeah, that's true.

[A]

It is inside.

[B]

Where is that? Do you know?

[A]

Yeah, it's at Mic Drop Mania Comedy Club, Oklahoma City. I mean, Long Island.

[B]

That'll be nice.

[A]

Yep. Adding shows too. So we'll add some shows in there.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Yeah, it's fun. I go over.

[B]

But your wife doesn't go with you.

[A]

Only to city. She wants to. And nothing up there is something. Something she'd go to.

[B]

Yeah, that's every comedy spouse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the beginning, in the beginning, they start.

[A]

They go, yeah, no, she's never been like fun. And that's it. Yeah, it's a lot. It's just. You're just in a hotel for two days and then. Yeah. At a club. It's not that you're not doing a

[B]

lot, you know, I remember my good friend who was a comedian with me, she wanted to break up with her guy and, you know, and I was like, well, you should, you know, like, you're not married, you don't have kids, like, you know, whatever. And then she goes, but who's gonna want to see my act over and over again? I go, why does the boyfriend have to go?

[A]

The audience. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Who gives a shit?

[A]

I don't want my wife to watch my act. I'm like, you've heard this. You get it. You've heard my impression of Caitlyn Jenner. You stay home. She doesn't need to see this again. She doesn't even like it. She's like, I think you're hot, but your comedy's insane.

[B]

But does she. But does she laugh all day with you? Like, she must be for fun.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we definitely have fun. She's fine.

[B]

I think you're fun.

[A]

Thank you. I had a lot of fun with another Heather.

[B]

I. Heather's for Heather's keeping us funny for generations to come is going to be my new yeah thing. Such a delight.

[A]

Thank you for having me.

[B]

I'm so glad you came.

[A]

Yeah, I'm glad to be here.

[B]

It was great and it's is is your name just at Heather Shaw?

[A]

Where can I Heather Shaw is kidding on Instagram. But yeah, just type Heather Shaw.

[B]

She's a ton of followers and you and she posts really great funny takes onto things.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Appreciate it.

[B]

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