Hollywood Surrogacies, SNL Secrets, Love on Set with Riki Lindhome

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Hollywood Surrogacies, SNL Secrets, Love on Set with Riki Lindhome"

Podcast Information:

• Title: Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
• Host/Author: Heather McDonald & Studio71
• Description: Heather McDonald, a celebrated stand-up comedian, delves into the most tantalizing facets of pop culture, Hollywood gossip, celebrity relationships, and her personal dramas. Engaging with a diverse range of guests from actors to reality stars, she probes into the most controversial and juicy topics with unabashed honesty.
• Episode: Hollywood Surrogacies, SNL Secrets, Love on Set with Riki Lindhome
• Release Date: June 5, 2025

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1. Introduction and Guest Welcome

Heather McDonald kicks off the episode with enthusiasm, introducing Riki Lindhome—an accomplished actress and member of the comedy duo Garfunkel and Oates. Heather expresses her admiration for Riki's multifaceted career and their mutual connections within the comedy world.

Heather McDonald [01:11]: "Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a new guest, but she may be very familiar to you... It was wild."

2. Riki Lindhome’s Career Highlights

Formation of Garfunkel and Oates: Riki shares the origins of Garfunkel and Oates, detailing how she and her partner Katie met through auditioning for commercials characterized by exaggerated big eyes, a trend in the early 2000s.

Riki Lindhome [02:36]: "We met, doing that and then just became friends at UCB and then... we just had to say it."

Viral YouTube Success: In 2007, a simple YouTube video intended for her mother unexpectedly garnered 10,000 views, catapulting their visibility and setting the stage for their comedy career.

Riki Lindhome [06:16]: "We had like 10,000 people that had seen it. And I was like, how did they see this?"

Comedy Festivals and Performances: Riki discusses performing at major comedy festivals like Montreal, which helped them network within the comedy industry. Their grassroots approach included renting art galleries for shows before gaining broader recognition.

Riki Lindhome [07:05]: "We did Montreal. And that's where we, like, met everyone in the comedy world and then could start doing actual shows."

Creation of "Another Period": Riki and Natasha Leggero co-created "Another Period," a Comedy Central show that satirizes historical dramas by blending elements of "Downton Abbey" with modern reality TV tropes.

Riki Lindhome [08:43]: "We were drinking wine and we wanted to make a show... New Money America."

3. Personal Life and Marriage to Fred Armisen

Falling in Love on Set: Heather and Riki delve into Riki's marriage with Fred Armisen, exploring how their long-standing friendship transitioned into romance during the filming of "Wednesday" in Romania.

Riki Lindhome [11:21]: "They were friends for like 15 years. And then we both got cast in that show Wednesday. And we were in Romania for months on end. And that's where we fell in love."

The Texting Proposal: Riki recounts the bold move of texting Fred to express her feelings, leading to a swift and natural progression of their relationship.

Riki Lindhome [12:50]: "I sent him a text being like, I think you should be my boyfriend."

Heather McDonald [13:35]: "I think it's interesting that Heather said that, like, women, especially nowadays, should go for the guy."

4. Insights on Hollywood and Dating

Relationship Advice: The conversation shifts to giving dating tips, emphasizing the importance of women taking the initiative in pursuing relationships.

Riki Lindhome [15:40]: "If he's very into you, there's almost nothing you could do to lose him."

Discussions on Dating Apps Filters: Heather brings up the controversial addition of height filters on Tinder, leading to a discussion on societal expectations and prejudices in dating preferences.

Riki Lindhome [18:47]: "I think it's so dumb. And I think you're sleeping on some of the best men."

Riki Lindhome [19:03]: "My husband's shorter than me. I don't care."

5. Fertility Journey and Surrogacy

Challenges with IVF and Endometriosis: Riki opens up about her arduous fertility journey, including multiple IVF cycles and the discovery of silent endometriosis, which hindered her ability to carry a pregnancy.

Riki Lindhome [52:36]: "I just had to implant the embryos that I had made at 34, and they didn't work."

Adoption Attempts During COVID: Riki discusses her attempts to adopt, which were significantly impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, leading her to pursue surrogacy instead.

Riki Lindhome [54:06]: "I had to make a pamphlet to sell myself as a parent... I had to pretend."

Choosing a Surrogate: Riki shares the positive experience of meeting her surrogate, a therapist who had successfully carried multiple pregnancies and became a crucial support system during her own surrogacy process.

Riki Lindhome [62:13]: "She was pregnant the whole time. I was in Romania shooting Wednesday. So I was just over there and just like... it's the least control I've ever had in my life, and I was just getting okay with that."

6. Life as a Parent and Partner

Embracing Fatherhood: Heather and Riki discuss Fred's natural inclination towards fatherhood and how seamlessly he integrated into their family life, showcasing a supportive and loving partnership.

Riki Lindhome [67:05]: "So we just moved in together right away, and it just evolved."

Balancing Career and Family: Riki elaborates on balancing her touring schedule with motherhood, highlighting the support system of nannies that allows her to pursue her career while raising her son.

Riki Lindhome [48:51]: "Natasha and I open for Natasha Legere on the road sometimes, and we bring our kids and a nanny."

7. Current Projects and Future Endeavors

Dead Inside Musical: Riki announces her latest project, a one-woman musical titled "Dead Inside," inspired by her fertility journey. The project has gained significant attention, with executive producers Ali Wong and Bill Hader joining the endeavor.

Riki Lindhome [47:15]: "I decided to write a one woman musical about it... Ali and Bill came on as producers."

Touring Plans: With the support of prominent figures in the entertainment industry, Riki plans to expand her musical to regional theaters and eventually to New York, aiming to share her story with broader audiences.

Riki Lindhome [47:15]: "I'm starting to do regional theaters, and we hope to get it to New York."

8. Commentary on Reality TV and Pop Culture

Real Housewives and Controversies: Heather and Riki delve into the latest happenings in the "Real Housewives" franchise, including the sentencing of Erika Jayne's ex, Tom Girardi, and the dynamics within the show.

Heather McDonald [24:43]: "Erika Jayne of Real Housewives Beverly Hills... he rob people for so long."

Pee Wee Herman Documentary: The duo discusses the recently released "Pee Wee Herman" documentary, touching on the complexities of comedic partnerships and the tragic end involving Phil Hartman.

Heather McDonald [86:15]: "Phil was part of the idea. He played this old fisherman..."

Meghan Markle’s SNL Appearance: Heather and Riki critique Meghan Markle's recent monologue on "Saturday Night Live," noting the shift in her public persona and her handling of media narratives.

Heather McDonald [75:51]: "She was like, I will fucking joke about it on SNL... it's not funny anymore."

9. Final Thoughts and Where to Find Riki Lindhome

As the episode concludes, Riki shares her social media handles and encourages listeners to attend her upcoming performances. Heather wraps up by highlighting Riki's contributions to comedy and her inspiring journey.

Riki Lindhome [94:03]: "Ricky Lindholm on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube. All my videos, all my funny songs."

Heather McDonald [94:23]: "We have lots of juicy scoopers in DC. Please come. It's eight shows a week, so I need to sell tickets."

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Notable Quotes:

• Riki Lindhome [06:16]: "We had like 10,000 people that had seen it. And I was like, how did they see this?"

• Riki Lindhome [12:50]: "I sent him a text being like, I think you should be my boyfriend."

• Riki Lindhome [15:40]: "If he's very into you, there's almost nothing you could do to lose him."

• Riki Lindhome [18:47]: "I think it's so dumb. And I think you're sleeping on some of the best men."

• Riki Lindhome [52:36]: "I just had to implant the embryos that I had made at 34, and they didn't work."

• Riki Lindhome [62:13]: "She was pregnant the whole time. I was in Romania shooting Wednesday. So I was just over there and just like... it's the least control I've ever had in my life, and I was just getting okay with that."

• Riki Lindhome [67:05]: "So we just moved in together right away, and it just evolved."

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Conclusion: In this enlightening episode of "Juicy Scoop," Heather McDonald engages in a deeply personal and candid conversation with Riki Lindhome. From Riki's successful comedy career and accidental viral fame to her heartfelt fertility journey and surrogacy experience, listeners are treated to an intimate glimpse into the life of a multifaceted artist. The discussion also traverses the intricate dynamics of Hollywood relationships, the impact of reality TV, and the ever-evolving landscape of pop culture. With honesty, humor, and poignant insights, this episode encapsulates the essence of what makes "Juicy Scoop" a must-listen for pop culture aficionados.

Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Riki Lindhome]

Woo woo.

[Heather McDonald]

Hannah McDonald.

[Riki Lindhome]

Juicy scoop.

[Heather McDonald]

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a new guest, but she may be very familiar to you. Oh, my God. This is Ricky Lindholm. Thank you for joining us.

[Riki Lindhome]

Thank you for having me.

[Heather McDonald]

I love that you are Juicy Scooper, but it's not about me.

[Riki Lindhome]

I am a Juicy Scooper. This is where I get all of my celebrity news. Truly. It's not even in my algorithm. I just listen to Juicy Scoop. I hear everything I need to know.

[Heather McDonald]

I love it because I was introduced to you. Well, I knew who you were, but Natasha Leggero, who's been my friend for many years and has been on Juicy Scoop, she was like, my friend was really wants to be on your show. And I'm like, oh, okay. And then I'm like, oh, my God, this is Garfunkel and Oats. And I remember hearing about how funny you and your partner, Katie.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Were. And you've had a very interesting, funny career.

[Riki Lindhome]

Thank you. Yeah, it's gone a lot of different directions. It's been. Yeah. Multifaceted, but.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Well, I. But when I talked to the phone yesterday, you were, like, really downplaying yourself. And then I went on your wiki and you've done so many guest roles, so many things. I mean, I know you from that. And just to tell people a little bit, like, what a unique, funny thing it was that you did with Garfunkel and Oates and how you thought of the name, obviously. Like, I can figure out how you thought of it, but explain how you thought of Lydia.

[Riki Lindhome]

It was wild. Well, I was. I was writing funny songs on my own for like 10 years. And my partner was also. Before we met.

[Heather McDonald]

How did you meet?

[Riki Lindhome]

We met. We used to audition for commercials. And do you remember there was like an era where everyone in the commercials, like all the women had huge eyes. Do you remember that? There was like the Maxim girl era in like the early 2000s that. And then that just went away. And it was all women with enormous eyes. And we would just book every commercial. And that's how I first met her, because I was.

[Heather McDonald]

You were booking a lot of commercials too, because you had big eyes.

[Riki Lindhome]

It was just all these. No, it was everyone. It was like we were all at the same callbacks. We're all like, this is weird. Just enormous eyes, just in a room. We're like, okay. And then we met, doing that and then just became friends at UCB and then.

[Heather McDonald]

And UCB is Upright Citizens Brigade, which is like a Groundlings. Cause I talk a lot about Groundlings on the show, but a little different style. But still sketch comedy, improv.

[Riki Lindhome]

But we just met in the lobby. We were kind of like seeing the same show. And we're like, we've seen each other for years at these callbacks and hi. And then realized we both wrote funny songs and then started doing it together. And then accidentally.

[Heather McDonald]

So you could play the guitar.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So you were singing in new instruments and all that and new, like chords and everything.

[Riki Lindhome]

But just for fun.

[Heather McDonald]

As a kid, you grew up doing music. Oh, that's so impressive.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, I did flute and piano and guitar and whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

So great.

[Riki Lindhome]

Just for fun. I never thought it could be a career. And then it really, really was. And we were so surprised.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Riki Lindhome]

Well, we. So we'd filmed. I was about to leave to film a movie in South Africa, and my mom wanted to see this song that we wrote. And so we filmed it on like a Sony Handycam, just us singing on my couch. And then it wouldn't connect to email cause it was too big. And someone's like, oh, there's this file sharing thing like YouTube where you can just upload it and send the YouTube link. And I was like, cool, great. So that's what I did just to my mom.

[Heather McDonald]

And what year was this?

[Riki Lindhome]

This was 2007.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

And then. And I should have known it was not just a file sharing service, but I thought it was. And my mom and my mom watched it. And then by the time I got back to South Africa from South Africa, we had like 10,000 people that had seen it. And I was like, how did they see this?

[Heather McDonald]

Right?

[Riki Lindhome]

And then YouTube was putting us on the front page because there wasn't that many people making stuff. And so we were just kind of first. And then we're like, I guess we should make more. And then it just went from there.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you did like the comedy festivals and things like that?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, we did Montreal. And that's where we, like, met everyone in the comedy world and then could start doing actual shows. Because before that we would, like, rent out an art gallery and do a show there. We just had no connections in the comedy world.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. And back then, there was such, like, an alternative comedy scene where it was really just, like, a word of mouth. Like, oh, you're going to do the. What's the name of the place that starts with an L that everyone went to?

[Riki Lindhome]

Largo.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

Largo. Yeah. And all of that. And I remember I was. I was like, I gotta get on Largo. I loved going. And then I remember my agent said, well, you already perform at the improv. And they don't want any association with, like, traditional standup, really. And this is kind of before they all started doing standup and realized, like, what we were saying, like, it's kind of easy if you can just do something on your own.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

So it was like they didn't want that what they thought as, like, hacky.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

But anyway, I still liked going to the shows.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, there was a divide. It was like in the mid-2000s, it was like there was, like, the alt people and then, like, the road comics.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, there was sort of a divide. I don't know how we got in alt. We were on YouTube. Like, I don't know how. You know, we're writing pretty traditional comedy songs. I don't know how we ended up in that group.

[Heather McDonald]

So I love that you did this for so long. And then also you created a show with Natasha called Another Period, which was on Comedy Central, which was so funny. You were just saying Guy Branham also wrote on that, which is amazing. And. And it was just so funny. And you. You said how you tell how you were set, how you guys came up with it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Well, we were drinking wine and we wanted to make a show, and Natasha wanted to do something sort of classy, like Downton Abbey, Something about class. And I wanted to do something like a Kardashians parody kind of thing. And she and Natasha was like, well, what if we combine those? And so we did a reality show set in 1902, but in America. Like, New Money America. Like, if the Kardashians moved into Downtown Abbey was kind of the log line. And then they just let us do everything. It was wild. They let us do whatever we wanted. We had barely any notes, and we got to.

[Heather McDonald]

Where could someone watch that now? Do you know?

[Riki Lindhome]

I think it's on Paramount plus right now. It keeps bouncing around channels, but I think it's on Paramount.

[Heather McDonald]

All right, that's awesome. Okay. And then you are pretty recently married.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, three years ago. Yeah. Our third anniversary was June 1st to.

[Heather McDonald]

Fred Armisen, who's from SNL. But one of my favorite shows, Portlandia, which is another one of those shows that if you've not seen, you could just type in on Instagram or TikTok. Like Portlandia sketches. And they are so funny.

[Riki Lindhome]

So funny.

[Heather McDonald]

And it is about this couple. Well, they're not a couple. Cause they play, like different characters. It's a sketch show about people that would live in Portland. Like, how I need to know. And I know he's not here, but, like, how did your husband come up with this idea? Because it's kind of making fun of how ridiculously super off the people are in Portland, but in, like, in a way that I'm sure those super off Portland people would also love it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Love it. Yeah, it's all done with. I don't actually know how they came up with it, but I do know. So Carrie Brown, the other. The person, his partner in it, she lives in Portland, so it must have been from that somehow. And Fred genuinely loves Portland, so it must have been that. I actually never asked him how they came up with it.

[Heather McDonald]

But, yeah, I'm just, like, laughing about some of the sketches of the character that he would play with the long gray.

[Riki Lindhome]

The women and Women First Bookstore.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, yes. And then the person comes in and he's just coming to, like, fix the air conditioning, just like a normal guy. And they're like, whoa, you are being really aggressive right now. And yeah, that's another one that, like, if you're looking for, like, a really sharp comedy and you may have missed.

[Riki Lindhome]

It when it came out, that's on Netflix.

[Heather McDonald]

How did you. How did you guys meet in this comedy world?

[Riki Lindhome]

Well, we both had shows on ifc. I had the Garfunkel Notes show and he had Portlandia. And there weren't that many shows on ifc. So I think we met in sort of doing events for our shows, like back in the day.

[Heather McDonald]

And was there an attraction back then?

[Riki Lindhome]

No. Oh, no, there just wasn't. Well, he was in a relationship. And, you know, when someone's taken, you're not, like, interested. You're just. You don't think about them. And then, yeah, then we were friends for like 15 years. And then we both got cast in that show Wednesday. And we were in Romania for months on end. And then that's where we fell in love. Cause what do you do in Romania? Like, we just might as well.

[Heather McDonald]

So who made the first move? Like, you're hanging out as friends. Oh, really?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, I did.

[Heather McDonald]

How did you do it.

[Riki Lindhome]

I sent him a text.

[Heather McDonald]

So you're just friends on set?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And you, what, had a little break that night.

[Riki Lindhome]

It was. Well, so you know everyone when you're. Have you ever done something on location, like a movie on location?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, but a little bit. You know what I did? I did Bachelorette. Oh.

[Riki Lindhome]

But you have to take everyone every night, right?

[Heather McDonald]

No, because it was Covid. So I had to be alone in my room for five days.

[Riki Lindhome]

Dang.

[Heather McDonald]

And then. And then I didn't want to. Yeah. And the kid. The guys were like, so. No, I've never had an opportunity to fall in love with someone else. And I would love.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's like going to camp. Yeah. It's like you just have. You have dinner with your co stars.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

And crew every night. And so.

[Heather McDonald]

And that's why a lot of affairs and stuff do happen, because you're with.

[Riki Lindhome]

Them all the time and. Yeah. I just started having feelings and didn't really know what to do with them because it's sort of inappropriate, you know, at work and. And Fred doesn't drink, so there was no way to have it be like, oops, you know, so it was just all, you know, it was all just so clean cut. And I was like, well, I guess I just have to tell the truth.

[Heather McDonald]

And so what did you write?

[Riki Lindhome]

I just sent him a text being like, I know this is, like, weird timing. I waited till he was done filming.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

And once he was done, I was like, okay, now I can. Because I didn't want him to be stuck in Romania with me. Uncomfortable.

[Heather McDonald]

And neither of you was like, a producer where you could then be in trouble for getting together. You were at the same level.

[Riki Lindhome]

Same level. Same level. But I just. I don't know. I was like, I can just wait. And then. Yeah. And then I was like, I think you should be my boyfriend.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what you said in the text.

[Riki Lindhome]

That was my opening offer. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And what did he. How long before he wrote back?

[Riki Lindhome]

He literally wrote back. He goes, is this for me? He thought it was for someone else because we had not been, like, flirting.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

But I was just like. Yeah. I was just, like, having feelings. And I was like, well, might as well. When you're friends with someone that long, you can't be like, we should go to dinner. It's like, we go to dinner every night.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

I might as well just say it. And so I just said it.

[Heather McDonald]

And were you scared, like, before you pressed send?

[Riki Lindhome]

Totally. Completely. Completely. Yeah, it was completely.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you consult with one to 12 girlfriends about whether you should do this.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay, just one. I called my most, like, wild friend. I was like, who's my friend who.

[Heather McDonald]

Would do this that would say, go for it?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. And so I just asked her. Cause my other friends would have been like, what? No. Like, but so I asked just one person, and she was like, I think you just have to say the truth. And I was like, well, if I'm gonna tell the truth, I might as well just say it. There's insane. Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

So he goes, is this for me? And then what?

[Riki Lindhome]

I said, yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And then what?

[Riki Lindhome]

And he was like, where is this? Whoa. Okay. Wow. He's like, I'm just kind of shocked. And then. And then he was like, should we, like, have dinner and talk about it tomorrow night? And I was like, yep. And then from then on, it was okay.

[Heather McDonald]

So then when. When was the first kiss?

[Riki Lindhome]

Then the next night at the dinner.

[Heather McDonald]

Or at the end?

[Riki Lindhome]

At the end, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then who leaned over for the first kiss?

[Riki Lindhome]

He did. I mean, I already done so much.

[Heather McDonald]

I can't keep, like. And that is great.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. I really put it out there. I'm just like, well, what do I have to lose?

[Heather McDonald]

It's really funny. Cause my episode just a couple days ago, we talked about Meghan Markle supposedly going for it and finding out who's gonna be at this party. And I was like, I think that's all great. Who cares? And I had a couple people write me and were like, I really think it's interesting that Heather said that, like, women, especially nowadays, should go for the guy. And so this one woman wrote me, and she's like. I was like, at, like, a karaoke or trivia night or something. And this guy was really cute. And I sent him over a shot, and he had noticed me, but he was too scared to approach myself. Cause she was at the table of 12, which no guy wants to go up to a table of 12. Anyway, they got engaged six months later, they've been married for 12 years.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I'm just saying, like, my friend.

[Riki Lindhome]

Had the best dating advice. She was like, if he's, like, very, very into you, there's, like, almost nothing you could do to lose him. And if he's not into you, there's almost nothing you do to keep him.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that is so.

[Riki Lindhome]

Like, you could approach, like, if they're in. If they're into you in that way. Like, they don't care who asks who out. They don't care.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, they don't care if they're not off by like an outfit or a weird hairdo that day.

[Riki Lindhome]

And if they're not into you, no amount of games, no outfit, like it just. Yeah, it is. Not to put it all in them because you have to be into them too. But it's just like it doesn't matter. I just don't.

[Heather McDonald]

That is a good, really good point. So, okay, like, do you think there's.

[Riki Lindhome]

Anything you could have done to like turn off your husband at the beginning? Like, probably not, no.

[Heather McDonald]

I found out years later, years later that he said to his sister, who I like very much, and she goes, oh. And then one day just Peter said, oh, I think I'm gonna marry this girl. She's just so fun. And it was just like that kind of like confidence too that a guy would have like. I didn't even wanna say like, oh, I think this is the one. Because then back then my friends were all like, don't jinx it. It was like we would do don't jinx it instead of manifest it and like see it, believe it, achieve it. Like that was not in a vocab. So it was kind of like, oh, better keep this to yourself, you know. And yeah, and then with my sister when she found her husband and I was like, we had dated so many guys like in our 20s. And I'm like, why? How do you know that he is the one? And she just was like, well, it's just so easy. And it was that exact thing. I don't have to worry about like, are we doing something this weekend? Is he gonna call me? Is I do have to analyze this text. Do I need to, you know, get a form going with girlfriends to, you know.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, yeah, if you need that. It's probably not. I mean, he might still be worth dating. A boyfriend is situated. But he's not the one, right? The one is like into you.

[Heather McDonald]

So then how did you get engaged?

[Riki Lindhome]

It was like very quickly after that.

[Heather McDonald]

Really?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, it was very quickly after that.

[Heather McDonald]

How did he ask you?

[Riki Lindhome]

He, he sort of did and sort of didn't. Like, I was like, I was kind of. Well, because I always said I never wanted to get married ever, ever, ever. And then I was like starting to change my mind and I was like, you know, if you ask me, whatever you ask me, I'll probably say yes. That's what I said.

[Heather McDonald]

Uh huh.

[Riki Lindhome]

And he was like, do you wanna get married? He's like, are we gonna get married? And I was like, yeah, I think we are. And he was like, okay, great. That was the whole thing.

[Heather McDonald]

I Wanna get to the juiciest part of your life. But first, I wanna just go through some other topics. Since you are a juicy scooper, I wanna give you the opportunity to weigh in on some stuff. Since we're talking about dating. Supposedly, TMZ is reporting that there's a new option on Tinder, which is something I know a lot about, though I've never been on it. Obviously, that you now can, like, search or filtrate your search based on height. And obviously that that means more to a woman dating a man than a man. Like, saying, I only want a tiny person or I only want a tall person. And I. I just think that is. Yeah, I don't think that's a good idea. As someone who's tall, as someone who would ask people when they were, like, setting me up, how tall? How tall? I think that is dumb.

[Riki Lindhome]

I think it's so dumb. And I think you're sleeping on some of the best men. If you. If you are. If you have that as a prerequisite, then you're. You're cutting off. You're shortsighted, for lack of a better term, you're cutting off a huge pool of men like you. Yeah. I think that's crazy. My husband's shorter than me. I don't care.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

And When I was 30, I had a boyfriend who was significantly shorter than me. And I was. At first I was like, I don't know. And then I was like, oh, I don't care at all. This is great.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

Like, it doesn't matter. It's, like, silly, and it's. And it's weird how on TV that the women are still always shorter than the men, and we just accept that as, like, normal.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Riki Lindhome]

Where it has to be. I'm like, what is this barrier that we can't seem to break? Like, you don't see it anywhere in television or in movies that the woman's taller. And so we're sort of conditioned, like. Like, from a young age that we have to have a taller partner. And it's just lies.

[Heather McDonald]

So I grew up in la, so we had. We knew people, like, several times a year. There'd be like, oh, my God, we have to get home and turn on this because our neighbor is a guest role or this person's on a show or whatever. And so a good friend of ours, sister, who we were friendly with, too, her name was Claire. She got a spin off of Dallas called the Colbys.

[Riki Lindhome]

Ooh, nice.

[Heather McDonald]

And she was, like, a model. And so there was this hot scene where she's kissing, you know, someone on the beach. And so then we immediately, like, called her after, and we're like, oh, my God, we just saw you. And she's like, yeah. To do that scene, they had to dig a hole in the sand and put me in the hole.

[Riki Lindhome]

God.

[Heather McDonald]

Because the guy was short and she was a model.

[Riki Lindhome]

So, like, oh, God, I wish they had filmed that. I'd love to see. That is so, so funny. I wish she'd had a social media person filming that. But, yeah, it's forbidden on television. Unless it's a joke. I don't understand it.

[Heather McDonald]

I remember there was a couple, we were gonna go out to dinner with them, like, when my kids were young, and my friend was like, oh, we're gonna all go to this restaurant. And so the four of us are driving together to meet this other couple. And she's like, she does this and he does this, and they have three kids and twins and da, da, da. And she goes, but I have to warn you, she is a former model and tall, and he is not. And she's like. And he's very small. And I'm just letting you know, it's quite alarming to the eye. I remember her saying that. It's quite alarming. It's quite alarming. And I was like, okay. But I got why she might have had to, like, say it wasn't that.

[Riki Lindhome]

Big of a difference.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. They're both very attractive. Like, he was fit.

[Riki Lindhome]

He was like a tiny twin. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And he. Yes. And he loved it. He loved that she was tall. He loved that he got a tall girl, and they, to my knowledge, still married, whatever. But anyway. No, I agree with that. I don't think. I think, you know, it's just.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's the patriarchy, subconscious patriarchal conditioning from watching TV and movies that your man has to be taller than you. He doesn't.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I mean, I think the apps are great, I think, because you're, for the most part, meeting people that are single, so there isn't that scaring of approaching. But then when there's too much of a filter thing, you already know what they look like, you already know what they do, you know their religion, you know, da, da, da, da, da. And then. And then this, too. So I don't know.

[Riki Lindhome]

I think men get filtered out for height and women get filtered out for age.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Riki Lindhome]

Smart.

[Heather McDonald]

Because he doesn't want any more kids. And even if someone who's 35 would say oh no, I don't want them, you don't know that. So it's like there's a benefit, you know, there's a positive too to someone that's like done, you know. Or doesn't want kids or can't.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. Or already has a kid and part of the package or whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

It's not gonna be a discussion at all. Well, here's some other breaking news. Erika Jayne of Real Housewives Beverly Hills. Her ex, Tom Girardi is sentenced to seven years in prison after wire fraud conviction. And I mean, he looked absolutely horrible coming out of the. But, you know, he is really old.

[Riki Lindhome]

How old is he? Is he 80 something?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah, he's like 86 or something. And he, you know, claims to have had Alzheimer's and dementia. The judge, I guess, decided you don't because he's going to regular prison. His team had, you know, pushed for just like, you know, an old home facility or something. But no, he's going to full blown prison.

[Riki Lindhome]

Wow. Wow. I mean, it was coming. It was rounded.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, he deserves it.

[Riki Lindhome]

No, I know.

[Heather McDonald]

He.

[Riki Lindhome]

He robbed people for so long. Right, Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's such a sad legacy, like starting with Aaron Brockovich and ending with like. It's so sad. But, yeah, he. He should go to jail, I guess. I don't know about the Alzheimer's party.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I mean, now it's just kind of. Yeah. It's kind of done and you know. Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

So that's like a wing of a jail that he could be treated in or like, what.

[Heather McDonald]

They're probably just like an assisted living. They probably have an elderly Alzheimer's unit that would just require a little more care.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. But yeah, he has to go to jail.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's not okay.

[Heather McDonald]

So let's talk about the Valley. You're a fan. You've been watching.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, yeah. I love Vanderpump Rules. It's just such a good. It's such a dark extension of it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Riki Lindhome]

Because Vanderpump Rules was always kind of dark, but it was light, like in the fact they were young, there was no stakes. And now that they have kids, it's so dark.

[Heather McDonald]

They had the kids. And the fact that all three couples, Tom Schwartz and Katie, and then Ariana and Scandoval, Tom Sandoval and then Jax and Brittany, they all just a few years ago bought those.

[Riki Lindhome]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

The houses that were redone in the farmhouse look in the same neighborhood. Which was like, you know, sparked the idea of like continuing the show on here. That they're all broken up.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. And it's for the better.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, of course it's for the better.

[Riki Lindhome]

They were all miserable together.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. It's weird when you see a show and you're rooting for everyone to not have love. Like, it's. Well, it's usually the opposite. You're like, oh, I want them to get together, but you're like, no, I want them to, like, live their happiest life, like, away from each other completely.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, it's like, you know, like anybody that stays together, it's like, well, we own a house together, we have kids together. We, you know, whatever. The church, the family, they really did. When Tom Sandoval, which, you know, of course I was on Ariana's side the whole time. But when he has said our relationship wasn't good, but we stayed together because of this brand. And people are like, what brand? I think he means the show. Yeah, the show where we film. We have each other's back. She, you know, they had revealed over the years that, like, she didn't want kids with him. Then she did. They weren't sleeping together. No excuse for cheating with, you know, Rachel, Raquel.

[Riki Lindhome]

But just break up.

[Heather McDonald]

It is a hard thing when it's like, you don't just have people, like, rooting for you to stay together. You have like, the world that is, you know, either like to as a couple or is like relationship goals or all that kind of shit.

[Riki Lindhome]

They did seem like that. Tom seemed like the nice guy. They seemed like this like, sort of perfect couple.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

Like, oh, no, not because no one's ever like, oh, James and Raquel, perfect couple. Like, no one thinks Jax and Brittany, perfect couple. But they just seemed like, so solid where it was really just sad.

[Heather McDonald]

And then like with Jax and Britney, I just feel like, yeah, I mean, of course she's finally like, coming to. But it's also. It's like the world. She knows the world is like, we told you so over and over and over again. And why did you do it is because you loved being on the show so much. I think like anybody again, she did believe she loved him or did at the time, but also all of it too. It's the same reason people don't leave Scientology or the Mormon Church. It's like, this is your show. Like, had she dumped him after the, you know, the thing that happened with the girl that was the.

[Riki Lindhome]

Was Faith.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. After that happened, where he was caught cheating and admitted to it everything and she decided to, like, take him back. Like. Yeah. What would happen if she had been.

[Riki Lindhome]

Like, no, she would have been off the show.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, how would they would not lose everything. Yeah. They would not have kept her around and. But I'm not saying that's the only reason, but I'm saying it's all of it together. It's. And then him coming and Convincing her. And. And also just anybody that's been with someone for more than a few years and they're inching towards, like, fertility and everything, that they're like, well, I. I don't want to start all over again. And I do love this asshole. And I. You know, and he is hot, and he is charming.

[Riki Lindhome]

He's convincing. But, yeah, he's become less and less convincing, I think, in the last.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, my God.

[Riki Lindhome]

It is where I just don't buy it.

[Heather McDonald]

And then. And it is funny that Britney just does laugh about it now. She's just like, he's so ridiculous that she just, like, talking to his sister. And she's like, wait, how does he know that we're filming? There must still be. There must be bugs in the house, because I already covered all the ring cameras in the house. And then she's just like, it's crazy.

[Riki Lindhome]

And she's like, see, that is the same attitude that let her, like, stay with him for so long. Like, I would have lost my mind. And she's just very like, well, maybe he's bugging me. Yeah. I'm like, he found the perfect woman. It is funny that all those sort of canceled people from Vanderpump are now like, no, we're not. It's fine. No one's canceled. You know, they're like, just back. It's fine.

[Heather McDonald]

So, okay, I want to bring up something on the screen, okay. Because I've been like, who does this guy remind me of? And, I mean, he is an actor. We have him here of Nia and Danny. The trial of Danny seems to have finally come to a conclusion last night.

[Riki Lindhome]

Good.

[Heather McDonald]

That while Jax is in rehab for alcohol and cocaine, he took a shot of tequila and went to sleep.

[Riki Lindhome]

On the day that everyone was at the winery. Yeah, everyone's wasted. Who cares?

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, I was like, who does he remind me of? And then I'm like, oh, my God.

[Riki Lindhome]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

It's Nick Lachey. They look alike. They sound alike. They have the same kind of hair.

[Riki Lindhome]

That squinty swagger. Yes. Yeah. Oh, weird. They are so alike.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, honestly, if there's any. I know. He's an actor too, Danny. Like, if there's ever something for brothers they could play or if they do.

[Riki Lindhome]

The Newlywed Story as a movie or something, he could get that role.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, but what else are you thinking? You know, Janet just posted this awful DM she got from a stranger or not. You know, some anonymous person, I'm sure, writing just this really horrific thing to her, and she, like, posted it was like, please, this is just a show, you know?

[Riki Lindhome]

What did it say?

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, it said, like, I know where you live. I know where your kid goes to school or preschool. I don't even know. It was all this kind of weird threat that either the person doesn't know anything and this is just a fun game to, like, a small group of Bravo fans that want to just see how you'll react.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Or I'm like. Or it could be a front of me.

[Riki Lindhome]

It could be in front of me. I have a cynical point of view on this.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Riki Lindhome]

I think that's the sign that she's making it. I think that's the sign that she's, like, here to stay. In reality tv, if you start getting, like. Everyone always, like, likes the people who are just sort of benign and they don't get any hate. When people start attacking you on that level, it means, like, you're interesting.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, that's a good lemonade out of it. Like, for her to hear. I've met her many times. I really like her. I mean, it's a show. We're watching it. Like, I don't know what it's all about, why someone is, you know, but they're. It's like sports. You know, it's like they. The housewives are sports to a lot of women and men. And just, like, people wanna, like, you know, go to the games and wear their outfits and bet and fight for their person and get in an argument with their neighbor who likes the other team. Like, I just think there's something about, like. Oh, and then there's this weird part that happens with women where they are so involved in watching this reality show that they really get jealous. And they. Because of Janet's history, where she was a girl who came out here, made friends with Sheena, and eventually now is a star of a show, has a really great cute husband, has a baby to some miserable people. She has too much, too much, too much. And she got thin after the baby, and she's getting cuter. And they are just like. Like, I'm gonna. I wanna see if I can break this.

[Riki Lindhome]

They wanna dim her light.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

I wanna see her becoming more. Like, the first season, she was a little more reserved. She wasn't really a breakout for me the first season and the second season, I'm like, oh, she's good at this. She. It's like she's a little bit like Ishina, where she's, like, sort of. She's charming, and she sort of brings things up, like, in Sort of a sleuth kind of way where she's not like, this is what you are. She's like, I heard a thing.

[Heather McDonald]

And like, yeah, so I think. But I. You know, my advice to her and to anybody in this situation is obviously delete and block. But, like, if you don't see it, if you can avoid yourself from seeing it and by posting that, too, that really got this person happy. Whoever this person is could be someone. It could be a call coming from inside the house.

[Riki Lindhome]

Probably a frenemy.

[Heather McDonald]

Not meeting her husband.

[Riki Lindhome]

Probably someone she went to high school with. They're jealous.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it could be a frenemy. It could be even closer than that. Sometimes I think with all this stuff, I'm always wondering, is it like, this is pretty dark, but with the writing on these pages and stuff, I'm like, who's to say that this isn't the producers that are throwing it out there, then doing an. Honestly, a screen grab, sending it to another cast member. I saw so and so's husband without a ring, and that's where it came from. And you really never came from a real person saying, they saw it.

[Riki Lindhome]

I never thought of that. The producers, I mean, it's genius, right?

[Heather McDonald]

And then they're like, I don't know. I got the weirdest dm. What did you get? I guess on the, you know, Vanderpump Reddit page, somebody saw so and so, like, at a bar without his ring. And then they like, chalk that. Or the producer goes, bring that up. Like, I don't know. And then someone at home is like, what a bitch. She brought it up. We are watching a show just like Janet said, for entertainment purposes, and you.

[Riki Lindhome]

Want them to do the thing that you wouldn't do.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, you want them confront you would just be like, they're weird. We don't need to invite them to the party. No, these people need to continue to see each other and fuck with each other.

[Riki Lindhome]

And we want our reality stars looking at their DMs and posting them. That's what we want from them. Because we wouldn't do it. It's like, if she were my friend, I'd be like, don't read it. Yeah, but I want her to do that. I want her to, like, be interesting. It's that, like, vicarious.

[Heather McDonald]

But as a friend, I'd be like, if it's getting you to a place where you aren't at the level of the Kardashian with the blinders on yet. Yet. As Meghan Markle will say, yet. I'M not there yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're not there yet, it's best that you just don't search it or look for it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, don't look at it. I don't look at my dm or.

[Heather McDonald]

Have someone, you know, if you have an assistant, have them like go out, you know, just, just for your own like mental. Cause then if you don't see it, you won't address it. And they want you to address it so badly.

[Riki Lindhome]

You know, they want to know. They like dinged you a little bit.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So. Okay, moving on. Okay. After that, after last night's show was the Next Gen, which has several Housewives kids in it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, I haven't seen this.

[Heather McDonald]

So they have. I watched a little bit of it. I mean, let's give it a chance. I mean, I think this part's juicy. Okay, so Ariana Berman, who is Kim Zolciak and her now ex husband who adopted she and Brielle. So that's why they have the last name Berman. But of course, you know, Kim Zolciak and her husband had a very bad breakup. We've seen way too many cop cams from Atlanta of like them fighting over like he took my purses and she needs to stop gambling and whatever it is. So this girl Ariana is the younger daughter and she is in this show in New York with her boyfriend who whose parents are very wealthy.

[Riki Lindhome]

He.

[Heather McDonald]

The parents own some fast food chain I've never heard of, but it's successful. Chicken. I don't know. Anyway, he seems like a good boyfriend and they're like looking for apartments. Anyway, in the first episode, she reveals that she's been on TV since she was five. Obviously she didn't get paid for that. Housewives only get paid themselves. Everybody else that's in the photo, including the dog, do not get paid unless you seek out a deal for them after they're 18.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay, but not even like the husbands.

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh no, I just, I thought the more involved husbands would get paid.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, once you're a hit, I think you can negotiate anything. But certainly in the beginning, you know, your kids aren't getting money.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And you know, I remember I. I mean, I remember another. I remember the Kardashians. You know, the two little girls were on and I don't think they had anything. And from my memory, Kim, I mean, Chris carved out something for them.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, smart. Well, she's smart.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And then eventually, you know, they got all their things and they have all their monies and they all have their businesses, but with her, she didn't get any of that. And then come 14, she started to do her own Instagrams and stuff. And then she got brand deals. And she said, I made a lot of money for five years. I know what I was getting. I was doing reels and everything for like, you know, three a week. And there is not one dime that she got. The money's all gone.

[Riki Lindhome]

Where did it go?

[Heather McDonald]

To Wigs.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, her parents spent it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Kroy, Kim and Koy or Kim or whatever. And she. It's so right.

[Riki Lindhome]

There's no Coogan account.

[Heather McDonald]

This is the juicy star. There's no Coogan account and there's none for. I've talked a lot about the Instagram situation and now there's a few states. But even that, it's gonna be extremely hard because even when there was a Coogan account available, when I've talked about this with my own family, with my siblings, my sister doing commercials and stuff, she did not have a separate account.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, my parents paid for undergraduate for her and for me, but I didn't make any commercials.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right, right.

[Heather McDonald]

But they're dead now. There's no way to figure it out. My sister doesn't care. But I'm saying, when you have like a bunch of kids and the checks are coming in, who is monitoring that right now? You have to just hope that the parent takes just the 15% and puts the rest in an account.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And they didn't.

[Riki Lindhome]

You know, I don't mind them getting the 15% because the parents have to drive them everywhere. The parents have to.

[Heather McDonald]

In some cases, that isn't enough, you know, truly, you know, it isn't. But that is the law. And so she, you know, thank God, is on this show and still doing and still making money. So the mom, Kim, still asks her for money because she needs it. And so Ariana is like, I have to help my mom because she has four minor kids still.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And they like lost the house and all this other stuff. But then the boyfriend's like, yeah, but we saw her drinking a $200 bottle of wine by herself on her stories. And you just zelled her who knows how much. And I just really appreciate that she's being honest, telling the story.

[Riki Lindhome]

That's why we love these people. We want that. But also that's why we love Kim.

[Heather McDonald]

But also, like, this is what I've been saying. Like, there's going to be people that are gonna be like, what happened? I mean, she was on TV as a 5 year old with Kandi's daughter.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And now they're both on this show, which is pretty genius. Then there's other people that we don't know.

[Riki Lindhome]

Does Candy's daughter have money? She must have Candy's.

[Heather McDonald]

Candy takes care of her, and she graduated from college and she's like, I have to make it on my own. My mom's giving me one year. Well, you're on a reality show on Bravo. Like, I mean, it's hardly like, you know, you're working as the barista or whatever. But anyway, that. That's interesting. Let's see. And then one of the guys on it was, I mentioned was there when the crypto guy got arrested for kidnapping another crypto guy.

[Riki Lindhome]

Whoa. He was. He's on. What are you.

[Heather McDonald]

He was like, outside of the brownstone.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

The other dudes, I don't know where they found them.

[Riki Lindhome]

So there's. Well, there's Candy's daughter.

[Heather McDonald]

There's Candy's daughter. There's Meredith Merck's son, Brooks.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, I love him.

[Heather McDonald]

And all of a sudden, his sister, like, goes on a date with what I think is the crypto guy. So there's some, like, straight guys in it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

Then there's the first transgender Bravo star. She's a model, so they go to her fashion show. And I kind of.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh.

[Heather McDonald]

And then. Gia. Gia.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, okay. I want to see this. I kind of want to see it.

[Heather McDonald]

It's kind of fun because it's in New York and it's like, you know, it's them going to a fashion show. They're privileged kids. They all have nails. They all have, you know, eight dollar matchas. But, you know, it's summer in New York with these kids, and it's kind of fun to watch.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, I'd wanna see. I always love when Brooks Marks is on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, he's.

[Riki Lindhome]

He's like the. He's like the ultimate hype man. He's like, you know, if I could, like, wave a wand and have my son grow up to, it would be that. And he'd be like, mom, you're so gorgeous. Like, he's so, like. He's that guy.

[Heather McDonald]

I met him in person and he was a delight.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And very good looking.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Ali Wong and Bill Hader, who are a couple, are on board for Ricky Lyndholm's Dead Inside musical. Dead Inside musical as executive producer. So explain this exciting thing that you're doing.

[Riki Lindhome]

So what happened? I decided to write. I had a long fertility journey. It was crazy. It was a wild journey. And I decided to write a one woman musical about it. And I went and did it in Edinburgh for the Fringe Festival. Have you ever done Fringe?

[Heather McDonald]

No.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay. So I did Fringe.

[Heather McDonald]

I've never been in any festival. I told you.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, right, right. But Fringe is different. Fringe is like you just. Everyone can just go. You don't have to apply, you just have to go in. There's like 5,000 shows. And I went and I did it. And Bill's assistant had seen the show. She just went there for fun to the festival and she told him. She's like, that's the best show I saw at the festival. And then I did it in Los Angeles. And Bill and Allie came.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you not know them?

[Riki Lindhome]

Before I knew them, I knew Ally.

[Heather McDonald]

Didn't Bill and Fred know each other from snl?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. So Bill texted Fred and said, but.

[Heather McDonald]

He knew that you guys were husband and wife.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. Okay. And so he texted Fred, and Fred's like, oh, she's doing the show Friday, or whatever. And so they came. And then, you know, a few months later, Ali just texted me, like, hey, would it help if we came on as producer? I was like, yes, it would help. Yes. Yes. Great. Amazing. I was. I was like, shocked they just offered. And so.

[Heather McDonald]

So now what happens?

[Riki Lindhome]

So now I'm starting. I'm gonna do, like, regional theaters, and we hope to get it to New York. You know, it's. I'm doing the Woolly mammoth theater in D.C. in July. And then I'm not sure what's after that, but I. I just want to tour so much right now because my son is three and I know when he's in School, it's gonna get so much harder. So I would just wanna be, like, on the road, touring as much as possible.

[Heather McDonald]

But do you bring them with you?

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And the nanny or what do you do?

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay. Natasha and I open for Natasha Legere on the road sometimes, and we bring our kids and a nanny.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that's great.

[Riki Lindhome]

So we travel as, like, a little pack and. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that's so great. So your story is juicy. So let's. Can you tell us a little story? So you were a single woman, and.

[Riki Lindhome]

How old were you when you were.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, I want to make sure I have a child.

[Riki Lindhome]

I was 34. And I got my eggs frozen at 34. So I had, like.

[Heather McDonald]

You did your insurance policy, and I.

[Riki Lindhome]

Did it three times. I did my insurance policy, had that all, like, ready to go.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

And then When I was 38, I met someone and we tried to have a baby for, like, two years.

[Heather McDonald]

Just regular.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, well, regular, plus IVF and plus.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, so you. So first you tried to have sex. Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes, yes, yes. So.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you're like, I have these eggs.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. And. Well, we just had, like, two years of, like. Like, this is, like, juicy, but not funny. Just of, like, losses. And it was just a really hard.

[Heather McDonald]

But you. But you didn't think we should get married first. You're just like, let's just.

[Riki Lindhome]

I never wanted to get married. Oh, I just didn't. No, that's. It's. That's why. That's why I had to, like, hint that I wanted to. Cause I didn't. Everyone I dated before that. I just didn't want to get married. It just wasn't for me.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

Because I. I just don't like weddings. I just, like. That's actually what I said to Fred. I was like, I'll get married, but I don't want a wedding.

[Heather McDonald]

So you didn't have a wedding?

[Riki Lindhome]

Nope. We just went to the courthouse. Yeah, I didn't love going.

[Heather McDonald]

Do you like going to weddings?

[Riki Lindhome]

Not really.

[Heather McDonald]

Why?

[Riki Lindhome]

It's like, there's, you know, I like it more now.

[Heather McDonald]

I like it so much.

[Riki Lindhome]

When I was younger, it just felt like it was like that was where the woman's potential went to die. A lot of the time it just felt, like, sad to me. I was like, oh, she's giving up at this point, like. Or like, I was just Always felt like. And it's not. Turned out to be the case, but it just felt like that when I was younger, I just always felt like, oh, why are you. Cause I just Feel like they're gonna give up their dreams for this guy.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. Which a lot of people do, you know? And for me, I love. I love getting ready at 2 in the afternoon.

[Riki Lindhome]

That is nice.

[Heather McDonald]

I love going and having that first glass of champagne at the golden hour.

[Riki Lindhome]

That is nice.

[Heather McDonald]

I like sitting and reading. The little thing of who's in the wedding. Oh, it's the niece. It's the.

[Riki Lindhome]

That you have a better attitude.

[Heather McDonald]

And then past apps.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right. It's all, yeah, you have a better attitude, but I should get more on that page.

[Heather McDonald]

Dancing.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. I think it was just when I was younger, I was very resistant. I just thought that, like, marriage would, like, kill any dream.

[Heather McDonald]

No. But I think it's interesting that you. I mean, I think that's valid. Like, I think that's totally valid of just, like, that's not my dream, you know?

[Riki Lindhome]

And I saw it happen to a lot of people. But. Yeah. So we didn't get married, but we were trying to have a baby, and then he changed his mind, and it was.

[Heather McDonald]

Changed his mind about wanting a child.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. And it was.

[Heather McDonald]

And you had already had a couple miscarriages.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yep. And we had just made embryos to implant. And that was.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you have any leftover? When he said, I'm not interested anymore.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. And that was.

[Heather McDonald]

How many did you have left over?

[Riki Lindhome]

Just one.

[Heather McDonald]

And then what did you do?

[Riki Lindhome]

Nothing. It was gone. It was over. You know, I.

[Heather McDonald]

You didn't try to, like, have him sign the rights over?

[Riki Lindhome]

He said that he would. And then it just felt like it was just so fraught. I was like, I. That mean, he would be in my life, and that would mean, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. I don't. I mean, I think that's wise that you didn't.

[Riki Lindhome]

He was nice about it. He said that he would.

[Heather McDonald]

He fully would sign over his rights.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes, he fully said that. But then.

[Heather McDonald]

And did it come out of nowhere, or was it, like, we both know we shouldn't be doing.

[Riki Lindhome]

To me, it came out of nowhere. But look at the time. But looking back, I'm like, no, I. You know, I just sort of had, like, optimistic blinders on. And I was like. But it was. It was. I was totally blindsided. And it was February 2020, so it's, like, great time. Yeah. Not. It was, like, end of February, so it was like. I went into.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Before COVID Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

I moved into, like. I, like, was living in my office, and Covid like, oh, no, like, fully starting over. And I was like, okay, well, I'm having a baby. On my own. Like, I'm not. I didn't come, like, this far in life to, like, like, let this guy.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Riki Lindhome]

Ruin my. I wanted to be a mom, and I was like, you know, and so I implanted the embryos that I had made at 34, and they didn't work.

[Heather McDonald]

Which were his?

[Riki Lindhome]

No, those were one. I had embryos made when I was 30. So I had donor sperm from.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, you had some donor sperm?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And those didn't take.

[Riki Lindhome]

Those didn't take because I didn't know. I had endometriosis.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh.

[Riki Lindhome]

I had something called silent endometriosis, which I didn't find out till years later.

[Heather McDonald]

Wow.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So I catch that.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, they didn't catch. Yeah, I didn't catch a lot of stuff.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so how many. How many did you try? How many cycles of the IVF during. 20.

[Riki Lindhome]

20 total? I think I did, like, five cycles of IVF in my life. Yeah. But then I. In 2020, I just tried to implant them, and it didn't work. And then I kind of was pretty much out of, like, eggs for IVF purposes. Like, I could have still gotten pregnant naturally, but, like, you need to have, like, a reserve to make it worth the surgery. And so, yeah, so I stopped and I tried to adopt for, like, two years. That was really hard.

[Heather McDonald]

Tell me about that.

[Riki Lindhome]

Well, like, foreign adoption was, like. It wasn't closed, but it was. Everything was, like, a little on pause. Because of COVID Yeah. It was just all, like. Everything was kind of on pause.

[Heather McDonald]

Was there a certain part of the world you were looking to adopt from?

[Riki Lindhome]

No, I. No, I just. I. I was just, like, open to anything. And then I called my friends who.

[Heather McDonald]

Adopted, and with that, you have to, like, pay for an agency to help you.

[Riki Lindhome]

You have to have an agency and a social worker. You take parenting classes. I was doing all of this, like, you know, I just. I had nothing else to do, so I was just doing all of it. And I had to, like. You have to make a pamphlet to, like, sell yourself as a parent, but most people get these photo shoots.

[Heather McDonald]

So you did, like, a deck, like, you're pitching a show. Totally.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's like a. It's a physical. It's so embarrassing. It's. It's just, like, boring things about you that you're like, I like flowers. Like, mine literally says, I love Wal joking. And it's like, me in front of a wall. But that's what they. Everyone's looks like. They're so embarrassing. But I didn't have it was, you know, March 2020, and so I couldn't get a photo shoot, so I had to, like, Photoshop, like, glasses of wine out of my hand or whatever, because I just. You know what I mean? I didn't have any, like, of these wholesome photos. I just had to, like, pretend. I had to, like, Photoshop myself into wholesome situations.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you say, like. I mean, I would have played. This is how I would have sold you the music stuff.

[Riki Lindhome]

Well.

[Heather McDonald]

So that you could, like, teach your child music.

[Riki Lindhome]

But here's the problem.

[Heather McDonald]

Your music is dirty.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's really dirty. So I had so many things against going against me. I was, you know, older for adoption, single woman.

[Heather McDonald]

How old were you that time?

[Riki Lindhome]

I was 41 when I. No, I was 40. 40 or 41 when I turned out.

[Heather McDonald]

And is it like everything over 40 is kind of, like, not great?

[Riki Lindhome]

I think it. I don't. I don't think there's, like, a hard and fast rule, but I think it's most people, when they're like, who am I gonna give my baby to?

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Riki Lindhome]

They're not like, is there someone 56 here? Like, no. They're like. They want, like, a young couple who lives on a farm or whatever, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Right. Like a Hallmark movie.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, yeah. And those people exist. And I was just. Not that. And if you Google me, it's like, I have really dirty songs, and I. You know, I have a song about Christian girls who stay virgins by having anal. I have, like. It's just like, I'm just not right. I've been in, like, a lot of nude scenes and movies. It's just not great. And I. It had.

[Heather McDonald]

And that was also hard for the foreign aspect or just for an American baby.

[Riki Lindhome]

So I didn't try foreign adoption because it was. Everything was just up in the air.

[Heather McDonald]

This was from a.

[Riki Lindhome]

So I did domestic, which was open, and so people could.

[Heather McDonald]

So did it ever get close at all?

[Riki Lindhome]

I got close. I had one where I got a match, and I went to get the baby, and then there was all these sort of problems that arose. It just got. It just was like all these weird situations.

[Heather McDonald]

Like a Lifetime movie.

[Riki Lindhome]

It was like a Lifetime movie. Well, it was like they couldn't locate the dad, and it was just.

[Heather McDonald]

They needed the dad to sign off.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And you just had a feeling, like.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Cause I don't. I. I mean, I do have a friend who adopted and. And, you know, congrats. She adopted. She had trouble, you know, having. Getting pregnant and all that. And I don't want to share too much because I don't want to, like, have people figure out who I'm talking about. But it was basically then the mom, you know, her parents were like, wait, we want our grandchild back? And it became this whole legal thing. And in the end, my friend prevailed. And then they did the visits. But then like after like three, the visits just stopped.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, she, that woman, that girl. It's really, you know, I can imagine why it would be hard or whatever. And, you know, now the girl's in college and doing great and they look alike. I mean, it was the greatest mother daughter situation, but it was her whole first year of her life was like, when could I lose this child? And I'm like, I just think that must be so difficult. I have the utmost respect for the foster parents that do that, knowing that they're just there temporarily.

[Riki Lindhome]

I could never do it. You know, it's so. You have to be. So have such a strong heart. And I had sort of been through so much fertility trauma at that point that I didn't have like, all these, like, psychological reserves to like, keep having failed adoptions. And so I just, it was just. Yeah, I. I'm like, in awe of people who can, like, carry a baby to term and give it up for adoption. Like, that's so selfless. That's incredible. Yeah, Like, I wanted to adopt. It was just like not working out.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. Okay, so then, then what happened?

[Riki Lindhome]

So I made a baby in a lab and got a surrogate because all. Because nothing about me worked. I found out about.

[Heather McDonald]

We had no more eggs.

[Riki Lindhome]

No more eggs. My endometrial lining didn't work.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so you couldn't carry.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so how did you choose the egg and the sperm then?

[Riki Lindhome]

I mean, I might as well have closed my eyes and point. Like I saw when Lala did it. And I was like, oh, she made it like a thing. It was. That was smart. She got opinions and sort of made it fun for me. It was just like I was alone in Covid, like living in my office. Like, I was just like, well, I don't know, like you. I just. I had no method. I just picked.

[Heather McDonald]

So in choosing the egg, did you choose someone that, like, looked like you or had similar interest?

[Riki Lindhome]

Because they tell you to. They tell you to get someone who looks like you. People think it's. It's vanity, but it's more about like the tribal thing you, like, for the baby, it's for the kid, so that they look like their clan or whatever.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

And then she. That egg donor changed her mind. And so then I was like, okay, who has the healthy baby? Who do I pick? Like, yeah. And then I was like, who?

[Heather McDonald]

So did you look at, like, SAT scores and stuff?

[Riki Lindhome]

No. Oh, okay. No, it is just. This was like, you know, I started my fertility journey at 34. This was, like, seven years in, and I just had seen, like, there's just no rhyme or reason.

[Heather McDonald]

Was there anyone in your life that was like, you know what, Ricky? Maybe this really isn't the plan?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. Yeah. There were people like that, but they. They would say it kind of lightly, but they saw that I wasn't entertaining it, and it was.

[Heather McDonald]

How would they say it?

[Riki Lindhome]

They'd be like, you know, sometimes the universe gives us signs. And, like, do you ever wonder? I'm like, no. And they're like, okay, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

How did your parents feel about all this?

[Riki Lindhome]

They were just excited the whole time. They were, like, excited and proud of me. And it was actually my mom's idea to get the surrogate because I didn't know that my endometrial lining didn't work when I'd gotten the donor stuff because I was gonna carry. And then that didn't work, and I was starting to, like, lose faith in my mom's. Like, let's, like, yeah, this exists. Do you want a family or not?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. And she was basically like, you're privileged enough to be able to have this, like, to afford it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

She was like, just, yeah. Like, walk through the doors that are open to you. Like, you've tried for a really long time. This has been really hard. Like. Like, you know. And I was like, it's so expensive. And my mom literally goes, well, not for what you're getting. And I was like, growing up, did you always.

[Heather McDonald]

You said you didn't really want to be married, but did you always want to be a mom?

[Riki Lindhome]

Always. Did you always. You did?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. There's just. You just know. You're like, that's.

[Heather McDonald]

I just remember being, like, 27, and I'd watch, like, Jerry Springer at night, like, after, like, a growling show. I just, like, watch that on the show. And I remember thinking, you know. Cause I didn't have a boyfriend at the time, or whatever. And I was just like, well, I know I'll be a mom, even if I have to do it alone. And I'm just, like, by myself watching Jerry Springer at night after I put the kid to sleep. Like, I just knew I had to be a mom. Yeah. And, yeah, I think when you Know, you know, then you will do your best or whatever.

[Riki Lindhome]

And I started getting excited about being a single mom. And I like when I was shooting in Romania I would do these little like side trips. And I remember I like went to Greece because it's 45 minutes away and I was like. And I was just sitting there in Greece just like looking at the ocean, being like, I'm going to bring my son here and I'm going to. And I was like, I was just like, like planting vision, envisioning it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

And I was really not scared. Not scared.

[Heather McDonald]

Excited.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so. And then how did you pick the sperm?

[Riki Lindhome]

Same like health. It's just like the health match.

[Heather McDonald]

You didn't like look up like he's into science or he's a musician or.

[Riki Lindhome]

You say that but it doesn't matter. Like, you know what I mean? Like someone could have one talent and then not it just for me at that point I was just like, let's just try to make the healthiest baby possible. Like what's the genetic match?

[Heather McDonald]

So when you chose the man, did you choose a man that kind of looked like he could be your brother so that the child does.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like so fair.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Fair skinned and blue eyed.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Or you have green eyes.

[Riki Lindhome]

Like bluish green.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, like light eyes.

[Riki Lindhome]

It was, it was really. I wish I could say I like put more thought into it.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think, I mean, I think, hey, it worked out at this point.

[Riki Lindhome]

At that point I was just like, I'd seen all of my friends had had babies different ways and also you just don't have control.

[Heather McDonald]

And then with the third decision. Yeah, who, who did you get to carry the baby and how did you get it? That was amazing.

[Riki Lindhome]

And easy. That was amazing. Like. Well, because the surrogates pick you because there's more people who want surrogates than there are surrogates. So they like you do pick them as well, but they have to pick you. They're kind of the ones in control and they have all their do's and don'ts.

[Heather McDonald]

It's like a do and don't.

[Riki Lindhome]

You know, some of them will do like a selective reduction if there's like a problem with.

[Heather McDonald]

And they have to ensure. Yeah. That their health takes precedent.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, there's certain. Yeah. There's people who will only implant one embryo. There's people. Everyone's got their list of things that they want. But by the time I met my surrogate, it happened so fast. She was the first person I met and we just were laughing on the Zoom. And I was like, this is. We're friends now. I'm like, this woman has to be in my life. I love this woman. And then. Yeah. She called the next day, and she's like, yeah, let's go.

[Heather McDonald]

And had she done it before?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes, she had had three babies already, and she was friends with everyone.

[Heather McDonald]

Three surrogates. Three.

[Riki Lindhome]

One of her own and then two from a surrogate.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

And then I was her.

[Heather McDonald]

And how did she decide. I love being pregnant, and this is what I can do while being with my own child. And.

[Riki Lindhome]

Well, she was a. She's a therapist, and she'd been talking to a lot of people with these problems, and she's like, I don't have that problem. That's a gift I can give. And so she still works as a therapist, and she is also a surrogate, and she had another baby after my son, so.

[Heather McDonald]

And so she. She likes being pregnant. It's easy for her.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yep. Her body just does it. The way my body was like, pass. Hers is like, yep, great. She got pregnant on the first implant. It was like, couldn't have been. I was. And it. She was pregnant the whole time. I was in Romania shooting Wednesday. So I was just over there and just like. Which was great for me because I couldn't. I had to, like. Like, let go. I couldn't. Micromania. I couldn't be like, well, what does this mean? And what. I had to sort of go, okay, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. I don't. It's like, the least control I've ever had in my life, and I was just getting okay with that. Like, nobody knows why one baby makes it and one doesn't. Nobody knows anything.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

And so I just had to be like, okay, well, I'm just gonna, you know, hope for the best. And then it worked.

[Heather McDonald]

So my sister went through all of that with her son and then was still attempt and got successful finally. And then was trying to have another and, you know, like, went through it all, too. Had, like, you know, so she had no more frozens. Da, da, da. And then she did get pregnant naturally.

[Riki Lindhome]

See, we just don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

At, like, 38 or 39.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. We just don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

And when she. The doctor was like, I don't know. I never did understand your problem. And so much of it is like, you don't know. It's psychological. It's, you know, it's a miracle. It is what it is. It's a miracle. Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

We just.

[Heather McDonald]

So were you.

[Riki Lindhome]

I get annoyed when People, like, say that they know when they're. Like when people would give me unsolicited advice about what I was doing wrong.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, what would they say?

[Riki Lindhome]

Well, like, I would say a loss or something. They'd be like, here's what you have to do. And they would. But they would say it, like, before saying, like, I'm so sorry that happened. They would jump right to advice. And I was like, no, I would want support and then maybe like, sharing and then advice, maybe in that order. A lot of people jumped right to advice. So I started just keeping things to myself because it made me feel like it was my fault.

[Heather McDonald]

Is there something. If someone is in the position of being. Having someone in their life or in a conversation finding out, what should someone say as comfort?

[Riki Lindhome]

I'm so sorry. And the end. The end. Like, what else do you need if you lose pregnancy? It's so devastating.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

That's all you need. Like, it's like, it's like any big loss like that. It's just. That's it. And then maybe if it's appropriate, like, share if you've had that experience. And then, then, and only then if, like, asked, like, like have advice.

[Heather McDonald]

So you're doing this movie or a TV show. Oh, okay. And this is the one Fred is on. And when do you tell him? Okay, so you go on the first date.

[Riki Lindhome]

He already knew, so he. We were friends, so he already knew. He already knew I had a baby on the way, so we were friends.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's already cooking.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. And the whole cast knew. We were so excited. They had to get me out by a certain date so I could go for the birth. Like. Yeah, we were all just like, everyone was.

[Heather McDonald]

Did the birth happen in California?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that's.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, she lives in Long Beach.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

That's it. And so, yeah, so I was like, you know, just talking about it nonstop. And then. So he knew it was happening.

[Heather McDonald]

And does he have any kids?

[Riki Lindhome]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

And how did he ever feel about fatherhood?

[Riki Lindhome]

He, I think, felt like, you know, there's like the must haves, like, us, and there's people, like, open.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

And then there's like the. I don't want it. He was the open.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

So he was kind of neutral on it. Like, if it happens, it happens kind of thing. And then. Yeah, and then it happened. Then it was like two weeks before my son was born. Sent a text. I was like, you should be my boyfriend.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. So now you're dating. You're dating and you're like, I'm back in la, you have your baby. And so when. When does he meet the baby?

[Riki Lindhome]

Maybe, like, he. He went to England to film something right after. So it was maybe a month in to his life. But it was like, I wasn't like, father shopping. Like, I thought I'd be a single mom with a boyfriend. Like, okay, that's was the. I think that's why I just cut to the chase. Cause I was like, I'm having a baby in two weeks. Like, yes or no kind of thing. And then I was just like a single mom with a boyfriend. And then once he came back home, it just got. It was so serious right away. You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

And was he into, like, being with your son right away?

[Riki Lindhome]

And it was so natural, and it was so, like, yeah, we just wanted to be around each other all the time. So we just moved in together right away, and it just. It just evolved. And then, you know, however many months in, we were kind of like, are you, dad? Like, what's what? Yeah, okay. Yeah, dad. And then it's just been like that.

[Heather McDonald]

So that is awesome.

[Riki Lindhome]

Shocking. Like, like.

[Heather McDonald]

So is he officially adopted him?

[Riki Lindhome]

No, we didn't do. We should do that. Like.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I know.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, my God. We totally have to do that. We haven't done that yet. Not really for any reason. It just.

[Heather McDonald]

So does your son just have your last name? Yes. Okay.

[Riki Lindhome]

I'm not changing that. Yeah, that's another thing that I don't like. Like, I don't like how, you know, men have to be taller and it has to be the man's last name. I think it should be a coin toss.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, whatever's better.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. And also, like, yeah, it's my last. I went through this journey. Like, he came out at the last minute. He doesn't get to have the name right.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think it's fine. When I. So when I got married, I was. I still. I'd been on, like, a show and stuff, so I'm like, It's staying Heather McDonald and my husband is Tobias. And so I didn't add Tobias or whatever, but I was like, where are the. Tobias is? Like, I don't care about that. I like it. Whatever. It's fine. And he didn't care, like, you better change your name. And so it was always Heather McDonald. And it's always sometimes funny, like if he's on the road or something, and someone's like, Mr. McDonald, we have your room ready. And he was always like, fine, I don't care. You know? But then when I was about to give birth to my son. I did go and change it and add the Tobias on my license and stuff, because I just was like, what if I'm ever, like, in the ER or something and someone tries to think he's not my kid?

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, that's.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know. That's what I was like. Cause he was Dubai.

[Riki Lindhome]

Like, born Dubai. That's true. I mean, that's smart. That's just smart. It's like, I don't know why I had such strong feelings.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I think it's all. I think it's all amazing. So then you write all these funny songs about it and.

[Riki Lindhome]

And turned it into a musical.

[Heather McDonald]

I think that is so.

[Riki Lindhome]

Isn't that crazy? I was like, I just feel like people don't really talk about infertility that much. And I was just like, I feel like this is. I felt like, called to write this show. It was so. It was. It was. It felt like I had to.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I just think it's great that, you know, there is a way for all kinds of people that want to be parents can be parents. And, you know, it's just really. I mean, it's great.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's one of the things most people haven't tried everything. Like, I did, like, most people, I was like, I'm the only person I know who's tried every method. And so I was like, I guess I should talk about it. And people have lots of judgments about it. People don't love it. They don't like that I had a surrogate. They don't like that I have donor eggs. But I'm like, it's not their life. These are all people who had babies on their own. And they're like, well, you shouldn't have done. I'm like, well, you weren't in my shoes. You didn't live my life. So, yeah, right.

[Heather McDonald]

Like. And so I. Yeah. And it was interesting because we spoke earlier when Khloe Kardashian, her second baby, was via surrogate, and she was really honest and said, like, it was just weird. I didn't feel the same as when I was carrying my daughter. True. And I was like, I loved her honesty about it, but at the same time, I'm like, for anybody, you know, your first child more, you've had the first child around for three years. So it's like, like, you're not gonna feel the bond.

[Riki Lindhome]

Maybe they're new.

[Heather McDonald]

When your 3 year old comes in, like, yeah, this new one is super cute and you love it and you're so excited. But then you see the three year old come in and be like, eat up, my boy. And like you are feeling like this closeness. And so I'm like, yes, you didn't carry your son, but also it's a boy and you didn't, you know, and all of that. So it's really, it's great. All right, I just wanna move on to a couple things. Speaking of love, Luanda Lesseps, darling.

[Riki Lindhome]

Gosh, I love her.

[Heather McDonald]

Somehow. Somehow. This is from Bravo Snarkside. But this photo went everywhere.

[Riki Lindhome]

Love it.

[Heather McDonald]

Somehow the paparazzi found her just flashing a ring while about to get on a moped.

[Riki Lindhome]

I mean, and perfect manicure.

[Heather McDonald]

Putting on some lip gloss. And I don't know how they found her and. But I cannot wait to hear the scoop because she's on the Love Hotel.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, she is. I haven't seen it. Is it good?

[Heather McDonald]

I think it's fun. I honestly, it's not getting like the talk about as much just because it's four women looking for multiple guys. So unlike the Bachelor in its heyday. You'd be like, oh, my God, is it gonna be, you know, Jennifer or Kelly or whatever, you know, like, I don't feel like. But I'm enjoying watching it, you know? Cause it's like, I feel like I know these ladies and everything, but I don't want to reveal too much, but I know that it could be one of many or one of two.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay, good. Well, Luann deserves it. Man, after Tom.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

What a disaster.

[Heather McDonald]

I can't wait to see who she's engaged to.

[Riki Lindhome]

Because every woman in that photo is like, needs an up upgrade. They need a new man.

[Heather McDonald]

They need.

[Riki Lindhome]

They've all had bad luck.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, speaking of which, I don't know if you're watching it, but Earl, who's dating Shannon Beador, is on a TikTok.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay?

[Heather McDonald]

Earl the Pearl, which they call him, and he's looks like he got on the Ozempic. He's lost a few lbs.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay.

[Heather McDonald]

And you know, at first I was like, why are these guys going on these shows? Let me tell you, if you're an older guy and you're off your game, go on the Love Hotel, go on the Golden Bachelor, because if you don't find love. Wow. Will they be coming for you, the comments? Oh, my God, they want him. Yes. Anybody wants. Listen, it's slim pickings after a certain age. And, you know, he comes off nice and he's telling a little bit about himself, what he likes to do in Atlanta and I'm like. And then he's like, yeah, this has been amazing. A guy. So it wrote like, oh, you're going to have so many, like, women after you. He's like, I know. I'm filtering through them now. Like, I'm like, good for you.

[Riki Lindhome]

Wow. I wonder if it applies to everyone. Like, what about the guys who were.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't think he ends up with Shannon's is what I think.

[Riki Lindhome]

What about. Like, what about the guy who faked cancer? Like, do you think he gets flooded with offers? Which on. Is the same. Is the same. Also Brooks. Is it.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, Brooks from. Oh, my God. For real houses with O.C.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, he. I wonder if he got married.

[Heather McDonald]

No, he got married to somebody else.

[Riki Lindhome]

Wow. So he did.

[Heather McDonald]

He took his teeth that he got from Vicky and left the OC and totally married. Like, what appeared to be, like, a very attractive woman in, like, a nice, big, real wedding situation.

[Riki Lindhome]

Wow. Okay, then. I guess it's just a positive thing for the men, apparently, I guess.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what? I just feel like women will always believe whatever story it is. She was crazy. It wasn't that I was stuck on this reality show that used me. And if she likes him enough, she's like, I don't need to hear anymore. Like, I just. Let me just have what's in front of me.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right, right, right. And let me not think too much about Nikki Gunvalson.

[Heather McDonald]

This guy seems nice enough. This is kind of funny. Okay, what is it? So this was from 2024, and they were doing a panel at south by Southwest, and Brooke Shiels was on the panel with a few other women. Katie Couric, I think, was moderating, and Meghan Markle. And I guess Brooke Shiels recently went on a podcast and shared the story. And then people pulled up the clip, and so Meghan Markle is telling her very famous story. In her defense, I'm sure she was asked of. When she was 11, she saw a commercial about, like, cleaning the house, and she wrote a letter to Procter and Gammell or whoever it was, and they changed the commercial, and she got to be on the news about it and everything, which I remember that coming out when she was, you know, first dating Harry H. Sorry. And I did think that was great.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I was like, that was great. She looks so cute. So she's telling the story, and again, she's probably told it a thousand times, but she was like. And then, you know, at 11, you can make a change. This is before social media, and I was just 11, and I just put pen to paper and changed the way the world looked at women. Oh, no. And that they're not the only ones cleaning. And I did this at 11. And just then, Brooke Shiels goes, hey, I'm sorry to interrupt, but at 11, I was playing a prostitute, but a bum.

[Riki Lindhome]

Shh.

[Unknown]

That's.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean. And I was like, that is funny. And it's. No, in her interview, she's sort of dissing Megan at this point in the current interview from. But a year ago, I watching it, I was like, I'm not mad at Megan.

[Riki Lindhome]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

And I'm not mad at Brooke. It was fucking funny. It was true. And, you know, and she was like, I just thought it was so pretentious. I'm like, it really isn't. It is her story. I mean, listen, I talk a lot about Megan in Imitator, and she bugs, but that is a pretty fucking great story.

[Riki Lindhome]

And it's a term all the time.

[Heather McDonald]

It's one of the many stories she's told that is 100% true.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yes. So I'm like, I have no problem with Meghan Markle. I'm just like, oh, she's so pretty. Like, that's like, kind of the beginning and middle and end of my thought. I don't know why. I just don't. She doesn't, like, register on me.

[Heather McDonald]

I have no problem with her either. But I do like talking about her. I'm not saying she needs to be banned. I'm not saying don't buy her raspberry jam. I'm saying I've predicted everything that she would do, even when she was in England, when she was still the princess. I said, she'll never go back to acting. But I could see her wanting to have a talk show, like an Oprah thing, which is exactly what she's doing. And, you know, and I said, yeah, it makes more sense to do a little cooking show at a house down the street than driving two hours and being in a trail at Universal for 14 hours a day so that you can say your line of. When you're playing a nurse. Why would she do that? She's already famous. She doesn't need the money. Like, of course. She's rather do.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. You don't want to be in a courtroom.

[Heather McDonald]

She'd rather do a podcast with six episodes a year.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. Do you know how long it takes to film a podcast?

[Heather McDonald]

Do you know how many episodes I do a year?

[Riki Lindhome]

She really does. Six a year.

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. It's like this season has now concluded of my 20 million or whatever she's getting. I would do that, too, but I'm like, if someone wants to pay you. Yeah, do it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Take it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

Save the money. What do you think she should do next?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I mean, selfishly. I mean, I don't know that she would ever do a reality show, but it'll probably happen. But not for six years. I'd watch that 100%. Could she really be real right now? What she's showing on the cooking show, if that is the real her, then she really is boring.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But now she just. Today, she just posted four years ago, she's about to give birth to her son, and she, like, put the camera over there, and she's, like, dancing, and she's got her big belly, and you see Harry and he's dancing. And I'm like, I think she can. Maybe she can be fun.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah. It feels like she's, like, had so much criticism that she's so guarded.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know. But, like, if. And also, as people age, they. Right now, she's. The stuff she says is super cringe and annoying. You know, writing the kids an email every night, all these kind of things. And that even though she has business calls in the morning, she still reads her child. She acts like she's the only person that's ever been a working mother. And I'm like, there's been working mothers since the beginning of time, but certainly in the last 50 years, there's been a lot of working mothers. And I'm just like, why? You feel we need to. And also, the other thing I hate is when people are like. And no one's talking about this. Yeah, they are.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, they are.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, they are. We've all talked about being working mothers since the beginning days of everything. Yes. So I'm like, but it's her. It's her thing.

[Riki Lindhome]

And I want her to enter, like, her, like, Gwyneth at the ski trial era. You know how Gwyneth's like, she was so in her. Like, yeah, I'm aspirational. Yeah, you're like. She's like, I'm not apologizing. I'm aspirational. I lost half a day of skiing. And everyone's like, go, I want to see Meghan Markle in that era where she's like, like, what? I'm sorry I look like this. I married a prince. I got. I make $12 million an episode for my podcast. Like, sorry. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like it or don't like it. Like, I. I like, you know, I Want to see her in. In that she'll get there. Yeah, she will.

[Heather McDonald]

Hopefully. If that is her personality, maybe. Maybe what we're seeing is her personality, which is just kind of like not that funny. But I also feel like it's so many people and herself like in her ear and of like, you know, sometimes when I see like people that suddenly enter social media now, but they're like, maybe even a little older than me and like they're trying to do it. Oh, like, okay. Like Harry, like, and I like them. But Heather and Terry debrow doing like little like dances and stuff.

[Riki Lindhome]

I haven't seen it.

[Heather McDonald]

And doing like silly things. And then the video will be like hashtag husband and wife comedy. And they could do that. And people in the comments are like, I love you guys, that's fine. But sometimes I'm just always the TV show I wanna see is the person that was hired that has to go, hey, you guys. So I need. When does Terry get out of doing his last poop chop? Okay. Hi. I need you guys to. Not a lot of makeup, Heather. Like, you're gonna look like you just. And then I need you guys to just dance to this song. Do this little weird trend or worse. We're gonna do it all in one day and then I'm gonna spill it out. But it's gonna look like you guys are just this silly authentic couple. And again, there's nothing wrong with that. But there's just something knowing. Knowing that there's a girl out there, or gay guy.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Who has to do this.

[Riki Lindhome]

I wish I had one of those people. Honestly. I'm like, I want someone. Like, I don't wanna think of any of this stuff I don't wanna do. I want someone to be like Ricky. Now we're doing the thing where you lip sync to the song. I'd be like, okay.

[Heather McDonald]

I always imagine that too.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, I would love it.

[Heather McDonald]

Like where it's like, okay, hey, Heather, you know. Yeah, I need you to. But that's not my. Like, I don't want to be like, hello, we're the one to do. But I mean, I get why.

[Riki Lindhome]

Syncing to some trending audio.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, but I get why that is a hit and I get it. But it's not. It's not creative. So it's like, I don't want to just do trends and dances and things like that, but I get why other people can pop doing that. And that is that person's job to be hired by the rich 55 year old lady that wants to break out, to be an influencer. And I'm like, go for it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Glenn Close. You have to do the dochi dance or something. Like, oh, my God, you put it.

[Heather McDonald]

Out in the universe.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, please. Glenn Close, do the Dochi dance.

[Heather McDonald]

No, Glenn Close is, like, third billing under Kim Kardashian in the New Law Firm movie. TV show. Yeah, it's like Kim Kardashian. Naomi Watts.

[Riki Lindhome]

What?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Wow. And like, Niecy Nash. I mean, and then Glenn Close. I don't even know. But it definitely Kim's first.

[Riki Lindhome]

Wow. Go get it.

[Heather McDonald]

But it's Hulu and it's. What's his name? Ryan Murphy.

[Riki Lindhome]

Okay, that's amazing.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's, again, all good. Good for her. Good for her, Good for her. Like, you know, she's great.

[Riki Lindhome]

She did really crush it on snl. That must have been a game changer for her. Cause she really crushed that monologue. Kim Kardashian, like, well, it was so funny.

[Heather McDonald]

Because when. You know, that would always be the thing. When we did Chelsea lately. You cannot joke about the sex tape. If there's a Kardashian topic, we'd have a producer go to whoever was on the panel that was not a. Not a writer. So, like, Natasha or whoever. And, you know, once they were on regularly, they knew they. That was part of the role. But then someone would be like, oh, you know, like, whatever it is Rob Kardashian got Dancing with the Stars. And then someone would be like, sex tape. And then they'd be like, you can't talk about it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Was it because it was hacky? Or. They didn't want that because they were.

[Heather McDonald]

On E. And that was the one. Like, honestly, the one rule. Otherwise, they were really cool about all the stuff we did and the jokes. But I felt like I was, like, an unsigned ambassador between, like, the Kardashians and, like. So when the topic would come, I'd be like, try to push jokes and things that I knew, like, wouldn't offend them, but they would. Could chuckle at.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, in a flattering way. And. And, you know, but then. So, yes, that was the. So I thought it was great. But I also thought, isn't it interesting? Then, like, she finally, like, woke up one day and was like, all right, I will fucking joke about it on snl. And that she was smart enough to save it for that, and then also realized by her doing it and ripping the band aid off, it's not funny. Then nobody else can make fun of it.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's not funny anymore.

[Heather McDonald]

There's no joke.

[Riki Lindhome]

No, it's gone.

[Heather McDonald]

She's like, yeah, I did it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Or even, like, wink, wink. Yeah. My mom sold it behind my back. Like, who cares? Just, like, leaning into the dumb rumors.

[Riki Lindhome]

Because they do seem to handle criticism. I mean, maybe it's just a front, but they seem to handle it very well. They seem to be like, thank you for the engagement. Thank you for the content.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, only a few times will, like, Chloe get upset and something. But, like, the other girls, they have it down.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah, they. They're, like, cool.

[Heather McDonald]

And they have those blinders on.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, one last thing. I'm watching the Pee Wee Herman documentary with Paul Rubens, Rest in Peace, and it was very juicy. And the juiciest part about it, you know what? I will say it wasn't totally juicy. If you didn't watch the show, you might get a little bored in the middle about they got a little too into every episode and who played what. But we talked about it yesterday on the phone, you and I, about Phil Hartman. And Phil Hartman and he were at the growlings at the same time and kind of came up with the idea of this, like, mocking, like, a kid show from, like, the 50s or the 60s.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, Phil was part of the idea.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, that was the problem.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Heather McDonald]

So he played this, like, old fisherman that would, like, come out. And then they did a bunch of things together, and I think there might have been the actual TV show going on. And then Phil got snl and then Pee Wee. It wasn't like, oh. And then Phil got snl, and that was great for him, and Da, da. So then they cut to an interview with Phil Hartman and Howard Stern, and Howard's like, but you guys aren't close anymore. And he's like, no, we're not. And he's like, why is that? Is it because you helped create Pee Wee's Playhouse and you didn't have credit or back, you know, whatever? And he was like, yeah. Whoa.

[Riki Lindhome]

Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

And I just thought that as someone that, like, saw that happen with people that would get on snl, they'd come up with, like, a bit, and one would get the show.

[Riki Lindhome]

They'd do it on the show.

[Heather McDonald]

We had. We had a juicy story that happened where two girls did this little funny bit, and one of them got on the show, and the other one was like, I want credit, or could I come out to New York and write and give me something. And we kind of came this ugly thing. And I think in the end, I don't know, in the end, I've heard everything from $500 were a larger settlement from like SNL, but the girl that was left at the Groundlings really kind of went for it because it became a bit. A bit that was on all the time that guest stars would ask to do.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, no.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's one of those things that you don't think about it when you're writing some little dumb sketch at the groundlings for 99 people. And I wonder now if anybody like that or thinks about these things. And even starting a podcast with a friend, it's like, who owns the name?

[Riki Lindhome]

Who owns what?

[Heather McDonald]

What happens if one of you wants out? Does. Do you dissolve the name? Does someone automatically get it? These are all things that I would say you should work out whether you're being real estate partners or interior design apartment. You know, when you are going to have an Instagram together, like, you better just write it out, have an attorney look at it, both agree to it. And it has to like a prenuptial agreement. Before you get married into a business, you should have a little something because.

[Riki Lindhome]

You know, it's gotta be a partner. And your partner has to be someone who's like, so has so much faith in their own talent that they're like, yeah, you can have that. I'll make something else. Like, you have to have someone so secure, which I don't know where you find those people, but someone. So, yeah, right.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think in the past. So then the same thing happened with another girl and the same actress, another very popular bit that got put on all the time. And she was cool with it. Cause she wanted to stay in the good graces of the up and coming SNL people and possible producers and hoping like I could still be in it. And this girl, I guess, just was like, no. And she'd have a right to be a little more savvy. But after that, it is my knowledge that when they took people from these groups that then they'd be like, of these characters, did anybody have a part in it or these sketches or anything? Cause we need to either have them sign a release, give them X amount of dollars because we want to use it. And I think what happened was, you know, she got on the show and then, you know, you're pitching ideas, you're pitching ideas, you do it, and everyone's dying laughing. And she's probably like thinking, well, that was just a dumb little thing I did in Sunday show. It wasn't even in the main show, right? And so who cares and then someone cares. And now someone's on SNL and someone is not.

[Riki Lindhome]

It's like, the person. If that person had had, like, a tremendous amount of success on their own, they wouldn't care.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Riki Lindhome]

They'd be like, oh, isn't that funny? They're, like, starring in a movie. They're like, they made a character in snl, but, yeah, if they're not doing anything.

[Heather McDonald]

And then I guess when he had his issue, Pee Wee Herman, where he got caught just jerking off in a dirty movie theater while visiting his parents or whatever, and they were just out to get him, and it was such an amazing headline to have Pee Wee Herman be caught for this thing, which was so ridiculous. I guess he did reach out to him. And so I don't know if they ever spoke before then. Phil Hartman's wife killed him.

[Riki Lindhome]

That story is wild.

[Heather McDonald]

That story is so wild. The Bupa de Beppo, it's finally gone. In Encino, I guess.

[Unknown]

Where?

[Heather McDonald]

Closed. It was the Bupa di Beppo in Encino. That. No. She got drunk off Cosmos and then went back to her house in Encino. Like, she could walk up the street.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, my God.

[Heather McDonald]

And they were having all those issues, and then she.

[Riki Lindhome]

That is crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

That story is.

[Riki Lindhome]

That story is, like, haunting. It's so, so awful. But, yeah. So, yeah, don't, like, don't fuck over your comedy partners.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Or just try to have it.

[Riki Lindhome]

Try to find people who are secure and have a million ideas. I've never had that. I've never had problems. Like, I. I always have, you know, the people in my community, like. Like Guy Branham, like, he wrote me a handful of jokes for my solo show. You know, he just did. Like, he's not like, I'm a writer on it. He just, you know, I'd already written the whole thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Riki Lindhome]

And he. He sent me.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I think there's that kind of things where it's just, like, you're collaborative and you're like, oh, I don't care. I'd love to see it. Like, I'm just. Again, when you write, when you have so many other things, but I think at. At that stage, it was like this girl maybe knew, like, listen, when you become litigious, you have a right to. You know, most likely, you have a right to. But then in this business, the risk is, well, you'll never work again. But sometimes you're in a position where you're like, I've been so fucked over, I'm not gonna work anyway, so fuck you, or You've blackballed me. Because I would have spoke the first time. Yeah. So it's like, it was that kind of a thing. And like I said, I don't know. But it certainly wasn't like, a windfall, right? No, it probably was just, you know, hey, stay in the good graces. But of course, no one's gonna allow.

[Riki Lindhome]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's just such a weird thing.

[Riki Lindhome]

Comedians all kind of write on each other's stuff. They all give each other punchlines. You know, people help each other.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Riki Lindhome]

And if they came back, if someone came back and was like, I want a piece of that, I'd feel really weird.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. Like, I don't know, but I would have as the person I could see. Okay. I could see if you're on the snl, how all of a sudden, now it's becoming a big thing and you're like, I don't even know what to do. Like, do I reach out to my friend and be like, this is on. Because I can't promise you a writing staff job. I can't promise you to get on. But now they love it. Like, my bosses want it. Like, I'm not just doing it at the playhouse. So I totally can see how that could have happened and then. But if I was making money, I would have been like, here's five, totally 20 years ago. So, like, I would have been like, here's five, ten.

[Riki Lindhome]

Right, Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And can you sign off?

[Riki Lindhome]

Right. And there's also a world where, like, you could just, like, bring them up on social media. Be like, here's the original thing of it. Look.

[Heather McDonald]

But, yeah, that didn't exist.

[Riki Lindhome]

No. Right.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you wouldn't want to do that because they want it to look like SNL came up with it and they didn't.

[Riki Lindhome]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay. I can't wait to tell you who it was. Anyway, you know what? I'm also gonna tell you guys. I'm tell you guys on Patreon, too. So I hope you're joining [e-mail] that's where you join. But let's tell everybody where they can find you. I have your Instagram here.

[Riki Lindhome]

Ricky Lindholm on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube. All my videos, all my funny songs. And then I'm doing dead inside in D.C. in July at the Woolly Mammoth the whole month.

[Heather McDonald]

That's great. We have lots of juicy scoopers in dc.

[Riki Lindhome]

Oh, good. Yes, please come. It's eight shows a week, so I need to sell tickets.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah. And definitely go. Thank you.

[Unknown]

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