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Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
I Fell in Love with my Psychiatrist, Sister Wives, Todd Chrisley with Sarah Fraser
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Heather McDonald
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- [01:46]
Heather McDonald
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Unknown
Heather McDonald has got the Juices Scoop when you're on the road. When you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales For real life, Mr. Segment serial data and Cereal Sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in.
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Sarah Frazier
Listen up. Hannah McDonald juicy scoop hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a first time guest but I know you're familiar with her. She's also pop culture queen and podcaster and everything else. Sarah Frazier. Welcome to the first time on Juicy Scoop.
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Unknown
Heather, I'm beyond honored. I told you this. I told you before we start. I know so much about you. I could honestly spend an hour talking about you. This is like a tremendous honor.
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Sarah Frazier
I love you. It is my favorite subject. No, just kidding. No, I really appreciate your enthusiasm and all of that. It means a lot to me. So I'm happy to have you here.
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Unknown
Well, look, it's a dream come true. For real. I respect you so much. I mean, I. I want to do like a business podcast with you. You have had such an incredible career in podcast. You are truly one of the biggest female podcasters in the world. Like, I want to know so much about everything you've done, money wise.
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Sarah Frazier
Funny that you say you're huge. Honestly, I feel like for the youngins that they won't know who this is. But remember the old comedian Rodney Dangerfield?
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Unknown
Yes.
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Sarah Frazier
How he'd constantly just go, I get no respect. That's exactly how I feel in this business, in this space, in just the overlooking of so many things. But then I'm also like, who cares? Because I have such great.
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Unknown
Hopefully you've gotten so rich off it.
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Sarah Frazier
That you have such great audience. I have such great, loyal people. I have so much fun doing it that, you know, when these things come up and then somebody like, why isn't this you? I'm like, I really didn't need you to point that out, but thank you. Like, I don't care. It's all good. But when someone does kind of recognize that I've been in this space for 10 years doing a. So as a solo host. And when you do it, you, you know, people that have done it for more than a couple years do realize how it is a challenge. So I do appreciate you saying all that.
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Unknown
Well, I want to give you your flowers for real, because I don't think people realize your show is one of. You know, I love podcasting. I listen. My show is like 9 years old, but the way you lay your show out is so methodically done. It's so easy to understand. You are so fucking funny, you. And I don't think people realize when you started 10 years ago, 10 years plus, there was no way to make money.
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Sarah Frazier
Like, there wasn't. I mean, I wasn't making money at it. I was just doing it so that if I had standup in the next few weeks, maybe some people would know because I've said This a few times. So I don't know if you know, but it was really Tom Segora that made me do a podcast because I was in a place, I forgot the name of the club now in Dallas, but it's like a medium sized club. But it was great. And I was in the little room, there was no green room. I could smell the fried food and that was all fine. And the guy was like giving me my check. And there was a little. There was a small poster of Tom Segura that he had come there. And I was like, oh, that's my friend Christina Pasinski's husband. I go, apparently he has like a huge podcast, which is amazing cause he's not even on TV. Like. Cause this was 11 years, 10, 11 years ago. And he goes, oh yeah, he can come here on a Tuesday night and make $10,000 because his fans are so rabid just to see anything with him. And that's the next. The next day I said, it's time for a podcast. And I was just thinking, just amazing insight. I wasn't even thinking about. I was just thinking to go do live shows. I wasn't even thinking. Cause I didn't know anybody that did it when I was a guest or anything that was making any kind of real money at the time. And so just like when I started standup or acting or whatever, money was never the reason, which is so different now, because money's the only reason people go into podcasting that have any kind of name or their agent is like, here, sit on your bed with your cat. Make a million dollars a year. And like. And then those people don't last because it ha. It is just like any other art firm. Like, you've got to be doing it because you actually get satisfaction and joy out of it. And that's why people do tittle, you know, teeter off after a couple of years because they do get burnt out and they do get over it. And they don't like hearing the criticism or reading the criticism, which is something that we've always had.
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Unknown
Like, and the fact that you have stayed chart topping for a. Like, people don't realize how hard that is to be in Apple and Spotify's top 200 podcasts in the world. People do not understand, understand how many hundreds of thousands and millions of downloads and listed like that is. I'm in like the top 50 for TV and film, that little category. And I always look at you and I'm like, you are the goal. And you, like, you're the one that brought me years ago, which will. Then we'll bring up Norm Pattis. But Years ago, podcast one started. You were on. My entertainment lawyer in D.C. was very good friends with him. And I was like, heather's on that network. I have to get on. I get on. One of the promises, of course, you know, is they're like, we'll reach out to Heather. We'll see if she'll do your podcast. This was like year one, right? Like a thousand people listened at the time. I'm like, okay, whatever you got to do. They're like, yeah, we'll talk to Adam. The minute I signed, I never heard. We couldn't get a hold of anybody. They never sold one ad. And then I think after the year contract, they sent us an email and they were like, due to poor sales, we're going to have to let you go. We never had one Sale. Sale. And what happened to Heather? Like, did you so.
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Sarah Frazier
Oh, my God. All of this I did not know.
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Unknown
But then the Norm Pattis thing leaked and I thought, well, she left anyway. And you know what? For good reason. And. But you. I. I just. People don't realize how big you are and how much work you've put in and truly, like, how you've made it an income. And to this day, I think people don't realize, like, how much money is in it. And truly, I always say this now, no matter what you think of the outcome of the presidential election, you know, President Trump going on, Theo Vaughn on Joe Rogan, it's changed the game. Like, you are the legitimate entertainment. There is no more entertainment. It is juicy Scoop, you know, it's our show. So you.
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Sarah Frazier
I know people are like, God, did she have this girl come on just to like, smoke. Have smoke up her ass. And as much as I love it, it's. Let's get to the juicy topics, because I feel like I could talk for TV about you, for me, but I do truly appreciate it. We're gonna have a lot of not as much as fun as you're gonna have November 14th when you see me at the MGM live during Bravacon weekend on Friday night. And so get your tickets, make your plans. That's all good, love. And do you think you'll be going to Bravo Con for anything?
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Unknown
I'm debating. It might be a last minute.
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Sarah Frazier
Yes, might be a last minute. Okay, so let me tell you about. You know, people know I love TikTok. I think it's a great, A great way to find other talented people and enjoy people. And so people Wrote me and said, heather, you have got to go over to TikTok and see what's going on with this girl Kendra. Kendra. I fell in love with my psychiatrist. Several parts, much like the Risa Tisa who the Fuck did I Marry girl. And so I was like, sure. And I saw it was only 18 parts, so I'm like, that's better than 50 of Risa Tisa. So I start to listen to it. And this girl's attractive and she's just talking to the camera. She's not doing makeup, she's not eating a tuna fish sandwich. So to me, that's more appealing. Okay. I don't understand why we have to see everyone, you know, contour their face or fucking eat with her, talk with their mouth, but whatever, I get it. You gotta do something else to make them listen. Okay? So she basically tells this story of how she has adhd. And so she went to a psychiatrist to get ADHD medicine, and they fell in love. That's how it starts. By the fourth or fifth episode is when the audience realizes that. I mean, when it started, okay, I'm like, ready? I'm like, oh, my God. She's sitting across from him. They start fucking.
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Unknown
Yeah, this hot.
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Sarah Frazier
It's gonna be hot. It's gonna be manipulative. It's gonna be weird. It's gonna be some sick shit. There's gonna be, you know, I'm like, ready? No. All of it was via Zoom. And, you know, isn't that my blood?
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Unknown
Which, by the way, you don't find out until, what, like episode 16 or something? You find it's quite far in. I thought. She ends up disclosing, oh, by the way, he was only seeing Zoom patients. You're like, you all this detail and connection.
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Sarah Frazier
And also, for people that are not familiar with seeing a psychiatrist for medication, you only see them once a month, just so they can check in with you and make sure that the medication's still working. And it's very short sessions. It's not like traditional, you know, therapy, like couples therapy or one on one or whatever. So she. So she sees him and she says, he's good looking. She says, he, you know, is Pakistanian, I think, but, you know, America, but lives here and everything. And then she says, and I was wearing these tortoiseshell glasses. And he says, ooh, I like tortoise shell glasses, too. Well, when this stuff happens, the audience, if you're interested, you can see what other content creators are thinking. So you're like, finally, can I talk to someone? Else about what a freak this girl is, this other girl, and forgive me for not giving her credit, but she said when they. He was found, well, they found him and he's a good looking guy and he's probably like 35 or younger.
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Unknown
In one of the videos, she drops his first name, which is very unique, right? So it's like, okay, this is so easy. It's not like it's Paul, it's like Efren or some like something that's like so distinct. Which, by the way, she's never taken that down.
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Sarah Frazier
But she's just getting back to tortoise shell.
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Unknown
Go.
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Sarah Frazier
So this girl discovered he wears tortoiseshell glasses. He always wore them. So when she had them on, he was like, oh, hey, I like tortoise shell glasses too, because I'm always wearing them. They're my frames. But she would be like. And then he said, I like those tortoiseshell glasses. This man was grooming me. And this is where it gets crazy. So then she goes on to say she's also seeing a therapist. So she's got the ADHD doctor and then a therapist who she says is like this 72 year old, very established therapist. And she feels like they're like working in cahoots, but it doesn't sound like they are. But in her head she's like, oh, yeah. And then the therapist asked me about my relationship with my boyfriend and what that and what our intimacy was like. And I'm like, well, I have gone to therapy and if you're married or something, they'd be like, how's everything going? Like, are you guys good? You're still sexually active? Like, I mean, that's not like a weird thing to ask. So she kept, if you've ever, like, you ever seen somebody or you know somebody, who's that girl that thinks everybody wants to fuck her and everybody loves her and she's misinterpreting everything. But then what's dangerous about this is we're putting this professional out where she's calling a groomer and everything. And it was all on zoom. And then she finds out, she goes, and then I find out through his office that he does see people in person. So this is where the sick shit happens. He knows that I'm in love with him and we had mad chemistry via zoom. And so in order to keep me with these crumbs, he has set these ridiculous boundaries of not seeing me in person. So then I address him and I'm like, why didn't you tell me you Saw patients in person. So. Well, now he's like, cut. Cause you're fucking free. And because you already told him that you, like, had feelings. And he was like, well, then it's probably better that we never meet in person. And she goes. And then the final. Then she sees him in person and she goes. And then he looks at me as I'm walking down the hall, and he goes, okay, see you next month. That was the first time he said, see you next month. What does that mean? It means I have to see you once a month. Cause you're on ADHD medicine, bitch. Like, it was just, oh, my God.
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Unknown
And of course, she interprets it as, you know, he's keeping me going as a patient to fulfill his fantasy of dating a patient.
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Sarah Frazier
Yes.
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Unknown
That's all that, you know, he is. Psychologically, he gets off on knowing that I am attracted to him. And he should have ended this professional relationship, but he didn't. He kept me going with these bound, you know, no boundaries and all these things. And then, you know, when she goes in to meet him, she goes to hug him, and he, like, won't hug her back.
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Sarah Frazier
And then he gives me this, like, very weird. So she's like, so here's. You know, she was criticizing his boundaries of being a professional therapist and.
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Unknown
Right. And then she'll say, and the reason he didn't hug me back was because he wanted me to come back again again and attempt again. Because he knew you're like, this man is.
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Sarah Frazier
You know, so there's a couple crazy. Other crazy things with it is, what does she do for a living? Oh, she's a life coach. I know. I don't mean to criticize life coaches, but if you're going to hire a.
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Unknown
Life coach, it's not Kendra.
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Sarah Frazier
Kendra. And she's a life coach for ADHD people that. People who have it that she also teaches yoga. I mean, I am like this girl. I just can't. And so it just. The whole thing is so fascinating. But so, of course, there's very funny people on this app. And there was I. Then I came on the parodies of it.
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Unknown
Oh, it's so good.
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Sarah Frazier
And my favorite one was the girl that did it just like her of how she was like, hello, my name is. Whatever her name is, Jennifer. And this is how I fell in love with my AT&T carrier. And then she does this whole thing about how the AT&T guy called her. And then he would say, how's everything going? Of course, he asked me, how's everything's Going, cause he wants to keep me. Like it was her whole bit was so funny. I mean, another guy did one about falling in love with his like mail carrier. Like all the type of things of like, yeah, they have to show up. This is what the job is. And so then people are like, I hope this guy sues her. Whatever now. Cause we're coming to the end of like whatever. Five or six days this has been going on. Now I ran across another. Now the content creators are like, they're getting jealous that she has 100,000 followers and that she's still doing. Now she turned off comments a long time in, but now she's getting smart because you have to subscribe to her content if you want to leave a comment. I didn't even know you could do that. So now she has a hundred thousand people and I am like, this is what I hope.
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Unknown
Okay. Yeah. What do you think? All right. Because this is so obviously she had to turn off comments. She got such bad backlash.
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Sarah Frazier
Could this be the ultimate hoax? I mean, maybe not because this guy truly exists, but like, did she like know what she was doing all along because it was such a ridiculous story. You're like, how can this even be true? And now that she's basking in the fame of it and the followers and the financial gain of it, I'm like, I hope to. I mean, I hope he's in on it too and it didn't ruin his life. I don't think it will ruin his life because not one person thinks he did anything wrong. So I'm like, I don't know. But for the general thought, it's this chick is spiraling. She is the most conceited person, if we ever are allowed to use that word anymore. It's a word from my era. Or you're conceited. You think highly of yourself. Da da da. She. Oh. And then the best part is when she then goes, I feel like I don't need the 74 year old lady therapist anymore. So she goes in and they end their time and then she goes, and then look at this letter, this email I get from her because the two of them want content for their own life. And she goes, and the therapist wants to keep me around. Cause the therapist even asked me advice on how to handle her because she knew I was a life coach and so did he. Like I was a peer. And I'm like, there's no way a therapist that has gone to years and years of actual school. And you got a certificate online with Tori Spelling's brother on how to be a life coach that they are like, can you help me with my clients? Could I? Could I run a case? Could I break HIPAA laws and run a case by you? Like you're pro after been doing this for 74 years or whatever she is. So then she says the woman writes and she shares the email by cutting out the names. I'm really happy about your journey and moving forward. I do think it would be wise or I encourage us to have one more session, very professionally written, just so we can tie it up in a nice bow, realize where you came from, where you're going, and I can put that in the final case. And she's just like, why would you do that? You're obviously talking to the psychiatrist to try to get me back in one more time. Like the way she was misinterpreting the things that were so black and white. There was nothing to misinterpret as summer winds down, I am looking to refresh my wardrobe. I want to get some staple pieces. I'm thinking chic cashmere cotton sweaters starting at, I don't know, $40. And the best part is I can get them at Quince. Everything with Quince is half the cost of similar brands and Quint's only works with factories that use safe, ethical and responsible manufacturing practices and premium fabrics and finishes. I absolutely love it. I have such a cute gray cashmere sweater that I just know will look so good just over my shoulders when I don't really need it. Cause it's not cold yet, but I just want to look that extra little something. Elevate your fall wardrobe essentials with quince. Go to quince.com juicy for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's Q-U-I-Ince.com juicy to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quint.com juicy all right, let's talk about.
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Heather McDonald
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Unknown
That I found so comical, was when she talked about her family, and she's like. And I let my family know that I had told my therapist that we were in love. And he has not fired me. And my family. The psychiatrist has not let me go. And my family said, okay, Kendra. And I just thought, you know what I mean? Like, that's. That's the whole response.
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Sarah Frazier
And then they said, okay, Kendra.
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Unknown
Like, I thought, yeah, they know.
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Sarah Frazier
I think I know what okay means. I think I know what it means. You're grooming me to go back to the psychiatrist so that I get more wrapped up. I want to make it very clear not one physical thing besides the awkward hug has ever happened between the two of them. Oh. The other best part is she goes. And then he was so manipulative. He was able to get inside of my dreams. And I had a dream that we made love and hooked up. And the next time I met with him, I said, I had a dream that we hooked up. And right away, he kind of. His eyes got big, and he went further back and showed how uncomfortable he was because he knows that we're meant to be together, and he knows that not only was it a full moon, but I made clear that I was also ovulating.
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Unknown
Yes.
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Sarah Frazier
So therefore that this was more special, like when.
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Unknown
And then when she goes into. She's like. And he's a Pisces.
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Sarah Frazier
So I knew that whatever astronomy gets into it. Oh, my God. Astrology.
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Unknown
Astronomy.
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Sarah Frazier
Astrology, yes. God. Yeah.
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Unknown
Once the. Once she did the astrology video, I knew he was a Pisces, so he was giving me mixed messages. Messages. You are delusional. It. It is so. And now, of course, like you said, it starts out 16, but now we've gone on to 42 parts, and now you have to subscribe. And.
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Sarah Frazier
I mean, I've stopped, but.
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Unknown
This.
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Sarah Frazier
This person says it's from. I don't know who posted this, but they want to get Mandy Moore as her.
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Unknown
Love it.
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Sarah Frazier
She'd be a perfect match. If you see the face, she's very cute, very attractive, but also in kind of a natural girl next door. Smart, brunette, way like, but aesthetically very cute.
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Unknown
Well, and the story starts out. At first, you're like, okay, wow. Like, you confess this to him, and he doesn't really. You know, he doesn't let you go as a client or whatever. But then, you know, the more she gets into it, you know, these little innuendos.
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Sarah Frazier
I was like, this is one of those times when, with whatever the job is, you're like, who would ever be a doctor anymore? Who would ever want to be a police officer anymore? Who would ever want to be a therapist anymore? When this is the shit that's out there. Like, you literally cannot do anything. Right? And so I'm guessing if he thought about letting her go, maybe he didn't realize it was that serious. Or maybe he thought, well, it's once a month on Zoom, and if I let her go, that can be an issue, like firing somebody who's on mid medication. I don't know what was going through, what he was doing, or if this. Maybe that's because he is kind of cute. Maybe this has happened to him before. Oh. And then she's like, I am so glad I didn't convert to Muslim for him. What?
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Unknown
No one's asking you. Nobody's asking you. Literally no one. It is entertaining and maddening at points. Yeah.
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Sarah Frazier
And funny as shit. And I hope and pray that the two of them are in on this together. And we all were scammed and it's a hoax. Like the boy in the balloon that flew away. Did you just. They just. I have not seen that, but I'm waiting for my son to come home and watch it.
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Unknown
Oh, no, I haven't watched it, but I remember that story. It's crazy when you remember to an.
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Sarah Frazier
Age when, like, every day, every week, there's a documentary on a story that you lived through. I'm like, how do I know every story? But anyway, that story, which was.
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Unknown
That was wild.
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Sarah Frazier
I remember we were at Chelsea lately. There is a documentary, I think it's called. It's under a series called Trainwreck.
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Unknown
Yes.
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Sarah Frazier
Which is the one where we covered about the poop. The poop clips.
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Unknown
I was on storming Area 51. I actually stormed Area 51. So I was in the documentary.
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Sarah Frazier
I recorded the episodes too.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Sarah Frazier
What was that like?
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Unknown
Very bizarre. Very disorganized. Incredibly bizarre. And we didn't see it. Why did you do it? I felt like it really was an Internet moment where a lot of people would gather and there were. So, as you remember, there was just so much viral, like, beat up.
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Sarah Frazier
Then when you got there did you have, like, camping gear or. It was just supposed to be one night or what did you do? Was it like a mini Burnie band? What was it?
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Unknown
It was a burning. It was like a mini burning band, but much more disorganized. I stayed with Andrea Lopez, comedy, who you've had on your show, the comedian. Uh, we were dear friends. She used to co host my podcast. We went out there. We stayed probably about an hour away at a little tiny town like these cabins, and then we would drive in every day because we knew, like, we were hearing leading up to it, that the little alien, she had, like, two toilets. There was nothing out there. So it was.
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Sarah Frazier
They really thought there was a real alien living there?
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Unknown
Yes, they really thought we were gonna storm area 51. And people did.
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Sarah Frazier
Wait, they really. So they really think the real aliens are living there or their. Their alien bodies are buried there?
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Unknown
Both, Both. They think that the government is in Area 51, is keeping alien UFOs and alien bodies. And so we all went to the gate that morning, but of course, I mean, there was so much law enforcement. They were so prepared. I do think, like, a couple people ended up getting past the gate. They were immediately arrested, but we saw no aliens. All the people in Rachel, Nevada, which it was population 50, were like, we've lived here our whole lives. We haven't seen one green alien. And basically, it was just part of.
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Sarah Frazier
The people who started the rumor of Ariel 51.
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Unknown
Then the guy that's in the documentary was literally just like a basement video game player. And just.
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Sarah Frazier
Which was basically the people that did the QAnon thing. Those are just two, like, weird dudes.
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Unknown
Yeah, it is just that he was in his basement, he was listening to an episode of Rogan with a guy who was a former, like, military ops guy who was like, oh, you should telling Joe. Like, you should see the stuff that they're doing at Area 51. Like, they absolutely have UFOs there, all this stuff. So this guy in his basement listens to that, starts a Facebook event group and goes, they can't stop us all. We're storming Area 51 in September. And who's with me? And then it just got like a million follows, like a million people RSVP'd.
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Sarah Frazier
And then when you got the invite to go to the Capitol, you're like, I'm gonna pass.
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Unknown
I said, man, I feel like I already did that. Then they're done that.
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Sarah Frazier
Oh, my God.
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Unknown
Yeah. So I was just featured on it. So I love the series. Yes.
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Sarah Frazier
So anyway, for People that I want to watch it. But it was crazy because I remember we were like watching it in the news. It was like right up there with the girl from 25 years ago that fell down the well and she was okay, Jessica. But this was basically this guy said they had some big like fun like balloon that looked like a UFO thing and they were playing around with it or they were building something and their little four year old child got in it and then it flew away. And we really saw it flying and it was like, how are they gonna get this? How are they gonna do it safely? There's a child in it. And then I do wanna watch it. Cause anyway, I can't remember how it got revealed. I wanna say the kid did interviews after.
- [29:54]
Unknown
Was that when it fell apart? I know, I'm just saying that this was like.
- [29:56]
Sarah Frazier
Well, it was that he was never in it. And they, they did this whole thing because the goal was this guy wanted to have a family reality show, a TV show. And this was how he thought he was gonna get like news. Now I didn't wanna watch it cause I honestly don't remember what happened. Where they are, I'm guessing whoever he was married to at the time, they're divorced. That's gonna be my one prediction.
- [30:14]
Unknown
Oh, all right.
- [30:15]
Sarah Frazier
There's no way that couple stays together after some stunt like this. Okay. Also very excited about this. TMZ is reporting that Aubrey Plaza will play Heidi Fleiss, the infamous madam from the late 90s. Which is, if you guys have followed me. You know, one of my favorite genres of anything is high class hookers, Hooker lights, High Class Hookers, Streetwalkers from Eve Plum in Teenage Dawn, Portrait of a Teenage hooker or whatever it is. I like anything that, I don't know, I just fascinate. And during the time, that is how I got one of the titles of my book, which is you'll never blue ball in this town again. Because there was a book, a famous book saying you'll never eat lunch in this town again, which was about the industry and how you could get fucked over and blackballed in Hollywood. Then from there, all these girls that were a little before Heidi Fleiss and some were after someone took their stories and wrote a book in the late 90s called you'd'll never make love in this town again. Still one of my favorite books.
- [31:31]
Unknown
Oh, okay, I get that.
- [31:32]
Sarah Frazier
And then there was another book, you'll never nanny in this town Again. And so then I created you'll never blue Ball in this Town. Again, just me just dry humping my way through Hollywood Hills into the depths of the bowels of the valley.
- [31:46]
Unknown
I went.
- [31:47]
Sarah Frazier
I went everywhere. And so anyway, I was always fascinated by her. I was like. I. Cause I was like, oh my God, I feel like we were, you know, at certain same places.
- [31:59]
Unknown
I know. Did you ever meet her? Did you ever. Because I was so much adjacent.
- [32:04]
Sarah Frazier
But did I ever meet her in person? I'm going to say no, I had not. But I always thought it was interesting that she's kind of like masculine. Like she wasn't very attractive. And then she had this awful boyfriend that kind of got her into it. But then she came from a very prestigious family in Los Feliz. Her dad was a highly recognized and famous doctor.
- [32:27]
Unknown
Yes.
- [32:28]
Sarah Frazier
Obstetrician, I think, like was like Madonna's baby doctor. I don't even know. But it was like. And. And then she. Yeah, then she like dropped out of college and got a real estate license. But then like, you know, it's either that real estate license or prostitute or.
- [32:42]
Unknown
Matt or Hollywood madam. It was like literally.
- [32:44]
Sarah Frazier
No, she stole. She started working for it. The Alex, this old like Jabba the Hutt kind of a woman that just like laid in her butt and like had an old rolled X and there was a documentary on her. And then Heidi was one of her girls and she was like, this girl isn't that attractive, but whatever, she can still work for me. And then she got sick and Heidi stole all her contacts and then figured out the formula of the kind of girl that she wanted, which was what we kind of see to now. Now, which is the, you know what I like to call them hooker lights. You know, yacht girls, whatever girlfriend experience that they don't have to be like the most perfect body or the most perfect tits or the most perfect face. It's gotta be like. But. But girl next door, truly like cute, thin, blonde, athletic, like go on the date wearing tennis shoes. Don't like be in like high class hooker shoes and all this kind of stuff. And I cannot wait for this movie. And then I guess what she said, she won't be watching. She doesn't want to relive her past.
- [33:54]
Unknown
Why not?
- [33:54]
Sarah Frazier
Here's the bummer about this. When you're a famous person like her, because after she got out of prison, because she did go to prison, of course they never get you on the trafficking. Just like P. Diddy. They got her on her attacks, evasion thing. So she does like four years, she comes out, she gets a facelift, she fills her lips, whatever. But then she goes out and lives like near the bunny ranch and like it's just like this lonely woman and they did docks on her with like birds chirping everywhere. She'd like all these birds.
- [34:25]
Unknown
Yeah. Like 45 birds. They'd just be these parrots like all over her, crapping everywhere in this Vegas little hut. You're like, what happened?
- [34:32]
Sarah Frazier
And you're surrounding like dry and hot. It is. And then she was like, I'm gonna do a dude ranch. And I remember covering this story too back in the day on Chelsea lately. And I was like, I just don't think this is gonna work because there's gonna be a dude ranch for women. But maybe she would allow guys to come too. But it was mostly, it's supposed to be women that just wanna get fucked. But like if a woman wants to hire a man, it's gonna be like again, acclaimed show on Showtime. Gigolo who by the way, one of those gigolos was one of the guys. The player in the P. Diddy world. He was one of the hired people.
- [35:07]
Unknown
Yes, that's right. That's right.
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Sarah Frazier
But you're gonna want like, I just want to get like, if you're like a woman who has a couple bucks and she wants to get have something, she's gonna want more of an experience than just oh, my girlfriends and I from PTA are gonna go to the dude ranch and all get fucked in some gross bed. No, we're gonna wanna go out to dinner, have him like act like a boyfriend, do us hard and then go and be discreet. Like that's what you want as a woman. You're not like trying to get a deal.
- [35:40]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [35:41]
Sarah Frazier
At a night at a level where you're gonna pay someone to bone you.
- [35:44]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [35:45]
Sarah Frazier
Because you don't have to pay. The reason you'd be paying is for a really good looking guy and discreetness. Because otherwise you could go anywhere and get somebody to come over. So anyway, it failed. It did never. It never happened.
- [35:58]
Unknown
She was so ahead of her time. Don't you really? She really was. Right. Like, don't you think now why isn't she running people's only fans? Like did she realize now like all.
- [36:08]
Sarah Frazier
Because she's really old and, and all that is so technically driven because she.
- [36:13]
Unknown
Doesn'T know how to do anything.
- [36:14]
Sarah Frazier
I mean you lose four valuable years of like not knowing like the inception of the iPhone and then you're like, oh, yes. No, I don't think she would know how to do. Cause her whole thing was you know, now that's what's so great about OnlyFans is that women are their own pimps. They don't need to be or do anything, whatever. And her whole thing was, okay, I'm meeting. You're gonna meet this guy. And that's what made the book so juicy.
- [36:39]
Unknown
I never did that.
- [36:40]
Sarah Frazier
Oh, I just love it. Cause it's like, there's always this, like, fantasy. Then there'd be dark parts, but there was also the good part of, like, I always thought if I was gonna be a hooker, I'd just wanna. That's like, you know, just goes to a dinner and talks to them.
- [36:55]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [36:55]
Sarah Frazier
You know, like. Cause it would. But then even in my 20s, when I'd go on dates just to eat, I'd be like, oh, my God, it's not worth it. Like, you're so annoying. But at the time when I was younger, I was like, oh, to get all dressed up and go to, like, a fancy dinner and, you know, fly like Pretty Woman. And this is like, right. All this came crashing down right after Pretty Woman came out, which is such an unbelievable movie when you think about that. He's just picking up this girl off the street that just had, like, a dirty dick in her mouth. And he's like, oh, yeah, let's hang out, like, for the next week and a half and I'll buy you a brown polka dot dress. Like, I mean, come on. Like, it's like. But it was. That's what it is. And so you think, like, oh, this could happen. And so it was always like, could you marry the john that, like, you know, hires you and then just falls in love with you? No, that's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen.
- [37:43]
Unknown
I know. In the book, did she ever really name names aside from Charlie Sheen? I mean, we know Charlie Sheen was like, you know, a regular, but I can't. I feel like she never really. There was.
- [37:53]
Sarah Frazier
There was a couple. There was a couple of these, like, pockmarked actors that, like, were around, but it wasn't. Yeah, I want to say. No, she didn't. Just like a Ghislaine. She really didn't. And there was always a question because they were getting her on, like, a tax thing. If she would have turned over her black book, would they have cut a deal with her? And I don't really know the answer to that. When you're dealing with, like, the federal government, I don't know if that's even, like, a choice.
- [38:22]
Unknown
And I'm sure she was paid a Lot of money to burn that book. Cause I feel like to this day, we've never really gotten, you know, like you said, I think there's been a few Hollywood actors that were, like, leaked.
- [38:34]
Sarah Frazier
And now it's like, come clean with it all.
- [38:36]
Unknown
Cause who cares?
- [38:36]
Sarah Frazier
Probably half of them are dead. Like, oh, it was Jack Nicholson. Shocker. Of course it was like, who cares who it is? You know what I mean, at this point? And the other thing about it is the younger generation, they. There's nothing that can shock them. They don't care who's on OnlyFans who had a sex tape. They're like, who cares that Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee had their tapes stole? Like, all right. They don't get why. It's like, because their whole life is on the Internet. Right? So to them, they're like, why does anyone care about privacy? Yeah.
- [39:10]
Unknown
No, I agree. Come clean. Come clean. Maybe the movie will have more.
- [39:14]
Sarah Frazier
I think she's a great match. Like, look wise and everything. And she's a great actress.
- [39:17]
Unknown
Perfect.
- [39:18]
Sarah Frazier
And Heidi was kind of, like, dry and funny, so I think it can be really great.
- [39:22]
Unknown
I love it.
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- [43:34]
Unknown
Love the Valley. Got into its season two. Find it refreshing, Find it look different than our Housewives franchise because some of the franchises I've found are harder to watch now. I've given up.
- [43:45]
Sarah Frazier
We're gonna. We're gonna touch on that in a minute. You may have given up. Yeah.
- [43:49]
Unknown
So I like it. I do. I mean, I'm gonna be curious to see who's let go. You know, obviously, there's lots of rumors Sheena's gonna be joining and season three, I mean, is Lala back? There was even like, there's rumors of.
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Sarah Frazier
Lala and Schwartz and three of them.
- [44:02]
Unknown
Okay, Schwartz and so I'm curious to see who's going, like, is Janet gone? Are they gone?
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Sarah Frazier
You know, I want to say. I cannot predict because I don't know, because Janet and Jason and Nia and Dani, that's where the drama and. And all that is. So I don't know why you would get rid of any of those people. Can they. You know, they, like. It's so weird when, like, a housewife goes, you know, the show's about conflict and resolve. And I'm like, that's not what the show was about when it started. It was never. Would you like to join a show about conflict and resolve? It's like, no. It's about your life and your friendships and your relationships and living your life and your aspirations in la. I don't. So it's like. I don't. I hate that it's gotten in this weird pattern of that. And it's always like, we fought. Can we move past it? It's like. It's kind of exhausting.
- [45:01]
Unknown
And I know everybody wanted Jax gone, but, I mean, Jax is, like, the reason.
- [45:05]
Sarah Frazier
This is everything. It's everything.
- [45:07]
Unknown
It's everything.
- [45:07]
Sarah Frazier
So it's the most juicy, fascinating thing I've ever seen on tv of watching a true narcissistic man who cheated and did drugs, but in his heart sees himself as the best dad in the world and a great guy, and it's like he's sharing it all. We're seeing it.
- [45:32]
Unknown
I know.
- [45:32]
Sarah Frazier
Finally, right after years, I feel like I said this. It could be triggering for people that date someone like him, but I think it could also be weirdly, like, healing to go like, oh, wait, I get it now. Or when you find someone like that, you, like, understand it, because it's like the case study of Jax.
- [45:52]
Unknown
I. Yes. Like, I am. I'm torn about him not coming back to season three. Because I'm really like, how many women like your listeners? I bet there's so many that are divorced from Jax Taylor types where like you can't ever really get rid of them. No matter what they're still blaming you for. I mean, he blames Britney for everything. It's just like how many women. I feel like so many women can relate. And don't you want to follow, you know, what happens next?
- [46:18]
Sarah Frazier
Well, listen, he is going to stay in his son's life. And so I believe that he was probably making a lot of money because he was one of the creators. He put the cast together, he knew Nia and Danny, he knew Jesse, you know, he knew all those people and he was trying to get this other going for like five years even before he got kicked off the Valley. So I think he was making a lot of money as a cast member. And they always wanna screw people over and not pay em and they had a legit reason not to once the ring camera of the rose bushes was evidence. This is all me guessing.
- [46:56]
Unknown
Okay.
- [46:57]
Sarah Frazier
And so then this way they got rid of their highest paid person and they come off being moral. Like, we never did it with James. Now we're doing it here. Like respectful and then. But just like a Dorinda. I'm on posh. He's on pause and he could come back at any time. And he will. It's Cruz's birthday. It's Ocean's birthday. Everyone's gonna come. Okay, let's give Jackson another chance. And they'll all say, yeah, because they're like, we know this will be good for the show. And then he'll just get paid whatever.
- [47:32]
Unknown
Like your date for the day.
- [47:33]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah, yeah, Several thousand for the day. And just like a Luann that did that. If he brings something interesting and they keep bringing him back, then there's that chance that he can get his self back on there. But by leaving, he'll never, in my opinion, make the salary that he once did. And I think that is what Bravo was doing to him. But they did the classic firing where they're like, so we know that you know what's best for you. And you know, like. And he probably in his head thinks he quit, but he didn't quit.
- [48:06]
Unknown
I'm gonna be so fascinated to see what's next. Obviously they split their podcast. You know, he says he makes a million dollars a year podcasting. I'm not sure if I believe that. But you know, I mean, and then the bar's gone and now, you know.
- [48:17]
Sarah Frazier
I really felt like I said, if he gets rid of the podcast or the podcast ends it with him, then I will be convinced that he's doing it so that when they go to court he shows zero income.
- [48:28]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [48:28]
Sarah Frazier
And then. And then maybe he'll inch his way back. But right now he does still have the podcast, but that's probably because there's a contract. And the way it works is you sell ads per quarter of the year. So we'll see where the podcast is, I think come January or something. But I think he launched his own one like in spring.
- [48:47]
Unknown
So. Yeah, I think I went there separately.
- [48:48]
Sarah Frazier
Yes, it would be a year. It'd be a year schedule. And I don't know, you know, if, if people. I don't know how much I don't know who's listening to it because I don't think guys who are also narcissists are like, you know what I'd like to hear about is more fucked up men like myself because they don't see themselves as fucked up. So who is gonna listen to him cracking the code of that you dated an asshole. Like, I don't know, but we'll see.
- [49:12]
Unknown
I know. And what's he gonna do? Recap, you know, Valley season three.
- [49:16]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, just like Rachel did. Rachel Raquel. Now he can go join her and do sound baths.
- [49:22]
Unknown
I actually want to go try one of those just to see like too.
- [49:29]
Sarah Frazier
That's who I want doing my sound bath. And I'd like you to meet my partner. Her name is Kendra. And she's gonna talk about when she went to therapy with her, fell in love with her psychiatrist. We gotta get Kendra Raquel. Who else?
- [49:43]
Unknown
Can you imagine? Can you imagine?
- [49:45]
Sarah Frazier
I would not be surprised if they are being contacted to do some.
- [49:49]
Unknown
Well, get the Risa Tisa too. Get the, you know, who did I marry?
- [49:52]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah. They can all just come and just talk about their fucked up people in life. So. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, I kind of feel like Jasmine might go.
- [50:01]
Unknown
Yeah, what do you think? Okay.
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Sarah Frazier
But then Jasmine adds a different element in that, you know, she's now engaged, which I think is strategic on her part. Not that she doesn't want to get married, but if you get say and you could have the wedding at. And you know what? And to think that they don't even pay for the wedding like this. The production, they still have to pay for their wedding.
- [50:22]
Unknown
Sure.
- [50:23]
Sarah Frazier
Of course the camera's there. I mean, maybe you get a deal here or there. Maybe I think the venue because they're filming they'll cover the venue, but they still have to pay for the food. I mean, the Jax Britney wedding was so expensive for them in Kentucky, I'm sure. And so that could be interesting. But, I mean, I just feel like we haven't seen a lot of her and her girlfriend, so I don't know that I think that would be an easy cut if they're looking to cut somebody. Yeah, but. Or they might just make her. I don't know if she's a regular, but they might make her like a friend. We gotta keep snarky. Zach.
- [50:59]
Unknown
Love. Love.
- [51:01]
Sarah Frazier
And of course, Kristen, you know, we want to keep.
- [51:04]
Unknown
Yeah, they're staying, so.
- [51:05]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they'll just keep everybody. But Jax, as you know, is out.
- [51:10]
Unknown
And then Sheena and Brock come in.
- [51:13]
Sarah Frazier
Do you think? Oh, yeah, definitely. Because everyone wants to see what that's like once the whole world knows that your man cheated and are they doing okay? And hopefully they are. Or we'll see. So Tom Sandoval said that he is ready to quit reality TV altogether. He and Tom Sandoval and the extras did America's Got Talent and pretty great performance. I feel like you asked, have I seen it? I've only seen it on, you know, clips, but I've always thought, like, you know, I mean, I get it, you know, Jesse's girl and the same karaoke songs that he does a lot, but he does sound pretty good. So if that's a fun time for.
- [51:55]
Unknown
You, I've seen him live. Where did you go here in Hollywood? Oh, my gosh. Maybe on.
- [52:01]
Sarah Frazier
It wasn't the infamous night that Ariana took his phone and found it.
- [52:04]
Unknown
No, no, no, no, no.
- [52:07]
Sarah Frazier
I'll be the next talk that you're on.
- [52:08]
Unknown
I'll be the next talk.
- [52:10]
Sarah Frazier
Just everywhere. Like, it's like the Forrest Gump of, like. And I was there.
- [52:16]
Unknown
I'm always in the background. Yeah, no, it was somewhere on Sunset. Schwartzy was there. James Kennedy was there. I mean, maybe this was when they were. When they were filming the final season. Anyhow, to your point, they're. They're surprisingly good. And the band is like nine people deep or something, you know, I mean, it's a little bit of like a step up from a wedding singer band. And, you know, I mean, he plays some songs about, you know, himself being a loser or cheater, and he kind of, like, deprecated. He does. It's like, I don't know, like, I think his mom has got it going on.
- [52:51]
Sarah Frazier
Everybody that goes crazy, I think I Predict. He's in real estate class right now. You do 100.
- [52:59]
Unknown
Oh, I feel like wedding singer for sure. Like I think they're gonna trocate well do a Vegas stint but then I think they'll perform for your corporate.
- [53:08]
Sarah Frazier
Okay. So how old is he now? Like 42 or something?
- [53:12]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [53:12]
Sarah Frazier
By the time he's 47 he will have a real estate license. He's gonna try to do this for a couple more years for fun and. But he should start taking the online classes and then he can be on a show with the selling Sunset Girls or something and start screwing some of them. I don't know. But I don't know where you go. Like I. It's true, it's a hard one. Where do you go from this? But it's hard thing when 20 years of your life has been spent doing, being yourself and having cameras follow you. You are entertaining, but it's not, it isn't really a career. You're not. I mean he can act. So he has done some acting stuff. So I still feel like there's gonna be these things he can't. But he really can like carry a tune and everything. So we'll see if they can get enough stuff going on then maybe he'll stick with that. Okay. Larsa Pippen's face stopped the world in its tracks this weekend. And she then it was really puffy, really crazy. We know they just filmed the reunion of Miami this past weekend or a couple days ago. So I was like, well, what is it gonna look like on the reunion? And then she took to Instagram with a very heavy filter. However, she looked better. And she's like, this is my face. You see me on tv. I feel like that was altered. I did have an allergic reaction to a pcp. What is that? Like some laser or something? But this is, you know, you'll see me at the reunion and I look fine. So, you know, it's just she's one of those people that looks so, so different than when the show started. And if you will ever, you know, when she did it like nine years ago, she already had a nose job. And then she got another one that kind of took like her unique like, like narrow nose to be more of like, oh, I don't know, Kim Kardashian nose. And then with the lips.
- [55:14]
Unknown
Oh, the lips.
- [55:15]
Sarah Frazier
And then the filler, the excessive filler in the jawline is what, like makes her unreal. Like, I just wonder.
- [55:23]
Unknown
And you can see the filler. Like you can actually see it under the cheekbone. Not the cheekbone, but the skin. It's just. Look, I love plastic surgery. I'm all for it. I cannot wait to have my mini facelift. But it's just like I pray like I don't become addicted. I just want to look fresh.
- [55:40]
Sarah Frazier
You won't. You won't. But I think with her, I think being friends with the Kardashians and she got like her, her ass and I don't even know, I don't even care enough. But part of me wants to go back to like when she had her original face. Did she talk like Kim? The way she talks and the hair and like did she was her. I mean, I think she's a great addition to the show because of the plastic surgery in the ass and her dating these young basketball players and being married to divorce from Scottie Pippen. Absolutely. She's good on the reality show. She knows how to turn it up. And it must be hard to now be in this cycle of filling your face all the time. And where do you go from there? I don't know, but it is kind of fascinating. Speaking of which, I know you're not watching Miami that much, but I've talked about it. And Leah, who is the soon to be wife, maybe they're just engaged. I don't know if they got married, but of Captain Sandy, they shared some video of the famous night they're on this yacht, this boat, this three day trip together where Gertie said she was kicked, not invited to the dinner. And this is the night, this is the night that Gertie was left trying to find a table for one and she wasn't even on the list and she got very mad because she wasn't even supposed to go and Julia begged her to go and then was like, well, I'm sorry but I'm having dinner with Captain Sandy and there's not room for you. So that's where their fight started. But they are all having super fun. And I'm like, I've said it before. She invited Gertie. Gertie annoyed her and then she was like, I want to be with my hot lesbian friends and I don't want to deal with Gertie anymore. She's too much. And that's what she did and that's what started all this like war on the show. But who knows now how do you feel about the controversy that she was. So Julia was on Watch what happens live this past week and Martina, her wife, who is 68 years old and famous tennis player and had tweeted when the tweet first made it to my attention, I thought it was from, like, 20 years ago, but it was.
- [58:03]
Unknown
Oh, real recent, Heather.
- [58:04]
Sarah Frazier
It was real recent, and it was something.
- [58:07]
Unknown
Let's look at the article.
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Sarah Frazier
It was like, surrogacy is not. Well, it was like she basically was like, I'm against surrogacy. Wasn't that it?
- [58:15]
Unknown
Like, okay, this is the thing. I feel like most people don't read into this, but she retweets an article about. From a UK author that is examining women who become surrogates in the uk and basically the article is just saying, like, whether it's egg donor ivf, whether it's surrogacy. Nobody publishes the downsides of these things that, you know, of course, you know, if you carry six kids, like, you know, you might have, you know, like, no bladder. Right, right. You know, stuff happens. So basically saying that when these women go in, it's a lot of money to become a surrogate or an egg donor, but they're really not warned about all the downside of this thing. So that's where she then tweets and goes, you know, I don't believe in surrogacy. Sometimes you got to kind of let things go is like the better the gist of it. Right.
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Sarah Frazier
You're explaining it well. Yeah.
- [59:01]
Unknown
So she's really commenting on this article now. Every country's different, Right. So some of the practices in the United States. I'm currently pregnant with an egg donor, you know, using an egg donor.
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Sarah Frazier
Congratulations.
- [59:14]
Unknown
Thank you.
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Sarah Frazier
Look great.
- [59:15]
Unknown
Very excited. Thank you. I have to wear something very flowing to feel comfortable. But, you know, they have standards. Most if you go to an egg bank, the women can only donate like, a maximum of five times. And even from that, half of the eggs are not going to survive the thaw anyway. So Maybe they're having 10 children max. Right.
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Sarah Frazier
And can I ask how you chose your egg?
- [59:41]
Unknown
Yeah, I mean, you basically go to a portal. You. We got recommended to egg donor bank.
- [59:47]
Sarah Frazier
So did you use your husband's sperm?
- [59:49]
Unknown
Husband's sperm.
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Sarah Frazier
Okay.
- [59:50]
Unknown
Egg donor egg.
- [59:51]
Sarah Frazier
And you.
- [59:52]
Unknown
It's like a real kind of catalog you go through.
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Sarah Frazier
So do you look for someone that was similar to you?
- [59:56]
Unknown
I actually looked for someone as a child that looked similar to my son.
- [60:01]
Sarah Frazier
Oh, you already have a child?
- [60:02]
Unknown
Yes, I have a little boy. Four. Yes.
- [60:04]
Sarah Frazier
Oh, okay. Okay, great. And so that one you had naturally.
- [60:09]
Unknown
That'S when I had naturally. I gave birth to him at 39, and then basically since 40, I've had three miscarriages just like, tons of genetic issues. And essentially, the doctors have said, look, this is just your egg quality. You have to move on. You've already carried a child. So I've always been open to how my family was gonna come. So we did an egg donor. But you. You scroll, like on an iPad through a catalog, and they, you know, it's very detailed.
- [60:33]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah. I remember back in the day when egg doning was still something. And I remember being in Newport on a weekend, and I was looking at these ads for egg donors, and it was like, we're looking for a girl this tall and brown hair and this. And an SAT score over this.
- [60:50]
Unknown
Yes, you can customize.
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Sarah Frazier
I did have that SAT score. And I remember I was like, oh, my God, what if I was desperate for money? And then I was like, oh, my God, I'll be so jealous if my child gets to live in fucking Newport. And I'm, like, sweating in the Valley. Like, I was always like, are you like that? Like, I always. Then when my sister was going through fertility stuff, and she was able to give birth and carry her own genetic children, but there was a time where it was like, maybe the pregnancies aren't lasting because of the egg quality. They didn't know. And then they said. The doctor said, well, you know, if you wanted to talk to your sister, meaning me, the child then would be 25% your DNA if you got from a sister. And I was like, oh, my gosh. You know, I wonder. She didn't really ask me. I was just wondering, Like, I was just kind of like, I wonder if that would. If I would do it. My dad's like, no, that's fucking weird. And then I was writing White Chicks at the time, so I asked the guys, the Waynes.
- [61:52]
Unknown
Oh.
- [61:53]
Sarah Frazier
And they said in a second, they'd give their brother their sperm or whatever. If that was a thing, not a big deal. And then I was always like, oh, my God, what if I was to do that? And it was before I had my own children. And then my sister's child, who's technically mine, is, like, the winner. Like, the total winner. Cause I come from one of five, and it was quite an array.
- [62:19]
Unknown
Yeah, you run the gamut.
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Sarah Frazier
And I was like, oh, my God, what if she got, like, my one good egg? And then I'm sitting at, like, my nephew's college graduation or, you know, medical school graduation, something really like. Like, he's a super brainiac or whatever. And I'm like, he's not really my nephew. He's My son, like, what? And I was always, like. Had all these, like, jokes about, like, what if, like, my sister was like. And I was like, hey, Shada, can you, like, pick me up at the airport? She's like, actually, I can't. I'm like, okay, you would be a mother if it wasn't for me. But whatever, I'll take an Uber. How do you. So. So, yeah, it was. I remember my sister saying, well, if I was to do it, you know, they. They had these women that, you know, like, have these eggs. But then I went back to her and I said, if you want my egg, you know, you know the qualities I have, but you also know the qualities I don't have.
- [63:14]
Unknown
Right?
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Sarah Frazier
I don't like reading directions. I'm the last picked on every athletic team. I am not super organized, but I don't have any genetic problems. I'm a pretty good time.
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Unknown
You're obviously very smart with a high.
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Sarah Frazier
SAT score and, you know, that's it. But, like, you. I was like, you could probably do better. Like, you probably find a better person, a better egg. If we're looking at, like, how well they did in, like, science class or something.
- [63:41]
Unknown
You'd be so good, though. It's great. Like, the egg Don really kind of gave me inspiration because it's a lot of nurses like, that work in the ob, gyn, ivf, so they've seen these women struggle, so they do it. And, like, once you're in the IVF world, you realize it's not as invasive as you think. Like, the IVF process, especially when you're young, is like two weeks of giving yourself shots. You get all these eggs. It's kind of like Twilight. They put you under, they harvest the eggs, which sounds like worse than it is, but it's really not that. That big of a deal. And. And the egg donor we picked, she already had two kids and she worked in nursing, and she's like, I've just seen people struggle, and I know I'm not going to have any more children. So, like, here my.
- [64:20]
Sarah Frazier
Is there ever a weird thing in that you are a personality? And she knows you do know.
- [64:26]
Unknown
They never know you, so they never. And you never know their name. They assign them a number. So it's like, 0067, right, is your donor. So you don't know their names. You know, like, very extensive about their mental health, any, like, you know, genetic issues, cancers, down syndrome, and any sort of thing. Right. They have to disclose all that. They do a very rigorous vetting, and it was Great. I mean, the first donor I picked I really liked because she was like, I'm doing this for the money. I've done cocaine twice. You know, most of them say they don't do drugs. And you're like, come on. I mean, you know, you drink multiple times a week in your smoking pot. Like, I mean, just say it. So I really liked her because she was like, you know, I smoke pot twice a month. I've done cocaine twice. I was like, okay, this is like a girl I can appreciate, you know? So she was like, my first choice. But then you gotta buy, like, eight eggs to get a good one. So I think she only had, like, four eggs left, so she was kind of out. I'm like, I need her to get. And they were like, well, we can ask her if she wants to do another cycle. I'm like, no, that'll take too long. I'll move on. So moved on to the woman that was a nurse that was like, I'm doing this for the better good or whatever. They're all doing it for the money. I mean, the money's so good now, you get, like, at least $15,000 a cycle.
- [65:34]
Sarah Frazier
Well, it sounds like the money to give the egg is a lot better than if you're going to adjust it about time and everything. Than what an average surrogate gets. If you figure you're actually carrying this child, it's by the hour. It's like, barely minimum wage. But then you're doing other things, and I get it. Some women really like being pregnant. They love giving birth. They don't have a problem with it, all that kind of stuff. So anyway, so she got herself in a pickle by discussing that, being that they also just adopted these brothers, these little brothers who are like three and, like, one and a half. So what's interesting is they go out to dinner on the last episode, and the new girl, Stephanie, is like, oh, my God. And congratulations on expanding your family. How old will you be when they graduate from high school? She says that to Martina, who, by.
- [66:28]
Unknown
The way, would be like, 88.
- [66:29]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah. Martina's like, I'm 68. And she's like, oh. And then. And Julia's like, I thought you were 67. She's like, no, I'm 68. And he's like, oh, are you going to teach them tennis? She's like, no, if they want to play tennis, then I'll hire somebody. And then if not, then maybe eventually I'll oversee it, but, you know, no. And then Julia is like, so we're going to Spain. And then Martina's like, oh, I'd love to go to Spain. She's like, no, you have to be on babysitting duty. And you just know. Martina was like, I don't know. You're just like, it's very weird. I don't know how I don't feel great that they're showing these kids right off the bat that were probably in foster care or something. And I wonder, like, whoever their parent is that lost.
- [67:17]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [67:17]
Sarah Frazier
Do they know that lost legal custody or chose to give up legal custody, Are they having to flick on their TV and possibly see their kids? That could be really hard. And then she goes on to say, julia, right now we're not talking to either one of my daughters because the daughters are like these 20 somethings because they weren't aware that we were adopting. And they're just like a little shocked by it or shocked or like, whatever. And so, I mean, all of that makes the show kind of interesting. But it put Julia in a weird position with Andy because, of course, Andy, you know, as a single father has, you know, and he's always very respectful about women and their bodies and how they, you know, whatever they're going through. He seems like he's more like aware and not just like, ha, ha, ha, you get your period. You know, like he gets it. Like he gets it. Which is nice. And so, you know, but then that says a lot because it's like, well, then how could a gay man ever have a biological child without the use of donor eggs and a surrogate? So anyway, Julia's like, well, I don't share the sentiment of my wife, and I don't know, we'll see where they are.
- [68:32]
Unknown
But I truly feel like it was more around the article. People really missed that part. Look, I feel like you're the same way.
- [68:40]
Sarah Frazier
So many times these things are true. I was like, what did she say? So then, speaking of which, this is crazy. This is a mystery of the LA mansion filled with surrogate children. I think I talked about this on here. Mine have just a minute on my Patreon. But there is this fan. This, this. There was a raid in that this older Asian couple had all these children, like as many as 15 under two, and then several older ones. So they were all under 2. And the reason they had 15 kids under 2 is because they had different surrogates carrying their biological children. And then they were. And then they were told, oh, this is, you know, a woman who has one child at home. And they want to expand Their family. And so they're like, okay, great. And so the kids have been. The reason they even came is one of the children went to the hospital and they felt there was abuse. So then in doing that, then they send over the authorities. And that's when they discovered that there's all these children. And some of them were living there and some of them living in other places. And the people were not arrested. They just. All the kids are in foster care.
- [69:48]
Unknown
Foster care. Yep.
- [69:49]
Sarah Frazier
And it is a concern when you think about. There was a family also in Russia, some Russian billionaire. I remember. I covered the story a while ago that was doing the same thing. He and his wife had, like, you know, 12 kids, like, under 6. And they had several going at the same time. Remember when JoJo Siwa said she wanted to do that? Remember when she was a lesbian?
- [70:13]
Unknown
And she goes, I can't keep. I was triplets.
- [70:16]
Sarah Frazier
I'm gonna name them Mandy, Candy, and Sandy. And they're gonna be triplets. Cause I'm gonna have three different surrounds giving birth at the same time. Heh, heh, heh. And everyone's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Now she's straight. I love her. Whatever.
- [70:29]
Unknown
I know. I know.
- [70:30]
Sarah Frazier
You got Betty Davis eyes.
- [70:32]
Unknown
I wanna tell you.
- [70:34]
Sarah Frazier
I love you. I do think she's cute, though. I do think she has the cutest little face.
- [70:38]
Unknown
She's so great at just hacking the Internet. Right? Isn't she just the best thing to hate on? I mean, she. She doesn't care, and she just. Your impressions are so.
- [70:47]
Sarah Frazier
I don't hate her, though, because she has, like, the best nose. She just is so cute.
- [70:51]
Unknown
Endless.
- [70:52]
Sarah Frazier
Anyway, this story is so crazy, and I really want to get to the bottom of it.
- [70:58]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [70:58]
Sarah Frazier
Because I think they're selling something that. And then you're like, well, how could this happen? What. What fertility clinic is. Is allowing this to happen. They own the fertility clinic.
- [71:12]
Unknown
This is very dark.
- [71:14]
Sarah Frazier
The surrogacy center. So I truly believe that the women that were involved in being. Having the embryo of transfer and giving birth, they really had no way of knowing because they were just like, okay, I'll do this. Or they went on. You know, they weren't, like, going, well, now, where is the LLC of this surrogacy? I mean, how are they supposed to know?
- [71:34]
Unknown
You know, something is so dark about this. This couple. Whatever is going on with these kids. I mean, and, you know, like, how many kids?
- [71:42]
Sarah Frazier
And the man is, like, 63, and she's like, 49.
- [71:45]
Unknown
Yeah. And you wonder how long has this so called clinic been open? And where are these other kids?
- [71:50]
Sarah Frazier
You know, there was eight.
- [71:52]
Unknown
There was something very, very stark, but.
- [71:53]
Sarah Frazier
There were 15 under two. So weird. Yes, speaking of weird. So Todd Chrisley, the show is coming back and you know, Chrisley knows best. And he goes on Candy's podcast of Real Housewives of Atlanta. And she's like, I just have to ask you, Todd, you know, during all this, there was this business partner of yours that really was the one that like turned on them and spilled the beans and they still feel like they were innocent and set up and whatever and now of course they're out of prison. He, you know, there was accounts that he said that, that you guys had sex. And he's like, well, I'll tell you what happened. I was with Julie and my lawyer called and he's like, I need you to come into the office. I have something to tell you. And I said, well, I'm in the car, you know, just tell me now. And he's like, well, are you with Julie? And he's like, of course I'm with Julie. You know, she's the hottest woman alive. Like, it's always like that.
- [72:52]
Unknown
It's always calling.
- [72:53]
Sarah Frazier
And he said, well, I'd rather I need to tell you alone. And he goes, there is nothing that you can, that you can't tell me in front of Julie. Julie knows everything. And then he said, well, this man is saying that you had sex and then Candace, like, and that it was a one time thing. It was a one time thing. And I said, well, if I had fucked him once, he would have been back for seconds.
- [73:17]
Unknown
He goes on, he's like, and if I want to suck a dick, I'd suck the biggest dick I'd suck. He just goes like, he adds that you're like, what is this? Now?
- [73:27]
Sarah Frazier
I feel like it could be a Kendra. I feel I fell in love with a psychiatrist. Like, now you know that the more gay shit that you say is what's keeping us intrigued.
- [73:38]
Unknown
Yeah, I just. You don't care.
- [73:40]
Sarah Frazier
You're not denying it anymore. Whether he's ever done a gay thing or not, he knows. That's the sound bites, that's the trigger points. That's what everyone wants to talk and joke about that clearly. When he's like, he goes, when I walked out of prison and I saw Julie with her gray hair, I say I wanted to run back to my friends in prison. I was not attracted to you. And she's like, what?
- [74:02]
Unknown
Like she's heartbroken. This poor woman. Just looks like a captive. I mean, just, you know, she just. It's so sad to see Julie. I actually think Julie has remorse. But like he's. He's not even on that plane. I mean, you know, he's like, absolutely not. And she's too, like. I just feel like she's too in it too deep now to get away from him. So she just goes along with him sitting there talking about it.
- [74:25]
Sarah Frazier
But it's just such a weird thing to say. Cause I'm like, okay, let's just analyze this for a minute. Okay. This is the R rated part of the show. So he's saying if I. So meaning he would have been the top. And it would have been so great that the guy would have come back. Cause it wouldn't have been the other way around. Right? Because otherwise, unless you're like a power bottom. What is he saying? It just seemed like such a weird.
- [74:48]
Unknown
Right?
- [74:48]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, right?
- [74:49]
Unknown
We're not denying, we're not saying yes. We're just talking about.
- [74:53]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah. I mean, I, I mean it's so.
- [74:58]
Unknown
Like, it's like this little old guy, by the way, I think his old business partner's name is Mark or something, who's a realtor down in Florida, who's also married and has two kids, you know, looks gay as a goose as well. And so he's like, you know, I mean, right? And you know, I mean like Mark just made this up out of it. Like Mark wants this heat and like smoke on his family. So he comes out of nowhere to tell like the. That he slept with Todd Chrisley. It's like, of course they had an affair though.
- [75:23]
Sarah Frazier
I do feel like there's gotta be more people that say that they were with him if. But I also feel like there's probably a lot of gay Christian men that do have sex with their wife and they just don't act on it. Maybe they watch gay porn, maybe they masturbate, but maybe they don't ever physically like get with somebody else.
- [75:44]
Unknown
Which is like the business partner Mark.
- [75:46]
Sarah Frazier
Remember the staircase with basically him, the guy that said that was so good and he was, you know, it turned out that he was gay and he was like, no, my second wife knew and she had no problem with it. Her sisters were like, ah, no, she didn't.
- [76:01]
Unknown
She had a problem with it.
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Sarah Frazier
No, she was not like, oh, it's okay that you brought a hooker to our house, a male hooker to our house. Like, oh my God. Because they always said in that the staircase that she went to her computer saw that he was corresponding with a gay male hooker who had already come to the house. And they made plans for. And then from there she confronted him and then he killed her. And he says, no, she got drunk and fell down the stairs. So that is one of the greatest stories. Oh, it's so good. Greatest documentaries. Greatest longest murder mystery ever. But basically he was Todd Chrisley in the way he spoke and acted and everything.
- [76:37]
Unknown
I mean. Well, it'll be interesting, like you said, to see if any prisoners come out with stories. And to your point, I think he picked the business part. Who is married with two grown sons. I mean, you know, it's like that is not gonna.
- [76:49]
Sarah Frazier
I do think he's funny and he's smart and he's entertaining. Super entertaining. I think people in prison, whether they got physical with him or not, probably were completely like entertained by him.
- [76:59]
Unknown
Sure. Yeah.
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Sarah Frazier
This came out of. This is Kate and John Gosling. Kate plus Kate and John plus eight. They had eight kids. And one of the sex tuplets, one of the boys, Colin. And when he was like 12, she had the custody cause they got divorced. And she said he was very misbehaved and really had a bunch of issues and sent him away. He is now is 21, I think or is he 18? 18, 21, I think.
- [77:30]
Unknown
Yeah, they're somewhere around there.
- [77:32]
Sarah Frazier
And he is on TikTok and he is doing kind of an open letter video to say he misses his seven siblings and he has no relationship with them and would like to. And I just think that's so sad. And I really hope that they can connect as adults now, regardless of what I mean what they went through. And he wrote forced apart pitted against each other. Colin captioned the post. All the fame and money in the world, but what about the kids being kids? And then he wrote forced to do it alone and wonder every day what our lives could have looked like.
- [78:13]
Unknown
So sad.
- [78:15]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, regardless of being on tv, he may have had issues and it might have been a real challenge for her. We don't know. And the kids may have remembered him being. I always think when you'd see those like Dr. Phil's or whatever or you know, back in the day where one child was like physically abusive to another child and people were like, well, we had to get divorced, we had to separate. We didn't know what we were going to do.
- [78:43]
Unknown
Yeah, what do you do?
- [78:44]
Sarah Frazier
How do we protect our younger child? And there's people that didn't even get to that level that will as adults will Be like, every time my brother walked behind me, I'd be like this, you know, like. I mean, there are things where you, like, look back as a kid and you're like, I was fucking. Like, this was a nightmare. So I. I don't know. You know what? I think it's a more to the story, but more importantly, if you're one of these adult children now, why not try to meet him? Because physically you're not going to be. Even if you're scared of him at 10, you're not going to be.
- [79:19]
Unknown
Now, I know that's a family where you still want to know so much about the inner dynamics. And I was just telling you only about two weeks ago, Kate Goslin has now joined TikTok. And she's doing all the get ready with me, her protein shake, breakfast. If her. If her clients, you know, she's a nurse. She's like a pediatric nurse. So, you know, if. If people recognize her, she has clients.
- [79:42]
Sarah Frazier
She's got to do something to make some money, right?
- [79:43]
Unknown
Gotta work. She openly talks about her kids will film her, but they refuse to be on her TikTok. So she just features herself and a new puppy. Like the dog that's a kid that's. And, you know, she just still has that like, awful personality. She's like, hi, guys, it's Kate. And it's just like this awful, like, bitch face. And she'll go into her, you know, this is what I'm making for lunch. And it's just like, welcome back. So is it. But you feel so bad. And then John Gosling came out this week and he says that, you know, he's been on Tick Tock for a minute, but the moment Kate launched her Tick Tock, she instantly blocked him on TikTok. So we can't see any. It's so sad, right? I mean, all for what? Now that none of them have any of the money to show for it. And I don't think. I don't know. I mean, there's always been rumors they'll be back.
- [80:29]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah, they're just. I just feel like reality stars are just so disposable.
- [80:34]
Unknown
Yeah, totally.
- [80:35]
Sarah Frazier
But then the fame is still always there and, like, it's just really hard. Real House of O.C. how are you feeling about the season?
- [80:44]
Unknown
I like it. I think it's a return to a little bit of the og. I am a Gretchen fan. I like having her back. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it's the splash so far I was anticipating, but I Still like her in the mix with Tamra and. No, I like it. I mean, I can't say it's like, you know what? I just. Reality.
- [81:02]
Sarah Frazier
We've seen so little of Slade.
- [81:05]
Unknown
Very little of Slade. Yeah. Yeah.
- [81:07]
Sarah Frazier
That is crazy. Well, how do you feel about Emily? I'll have an espresso martini. God, can't believe they put that in her tagline. I'll tell you what's going on. Well, the latest is. Sorry, go ahead.
- [81:24]
Unknown
No, no, no. You go, you go.
- [81:25]
Sarah Frazier
So the latest with us with this is that Gina went on watch on live, and it came up how hypocritical it was for Emily to be so mad at Katie because her daughter babysat the twins and said that the twins came home and said that. That Heather's mean to their mom. Emily. And Emily didn't want to be on Heather's bad side. So according to Gina, Heather Dubrow went to Emily before the reunion and said, by the way. Or gave her information about the fact that the reason Katie doesn't have custody of her kids or why, or question why doesn't she have custody of her kids? Which is really cruel and really unfair. And honestly, one of the more selfless. If more parents in a divorce would do that. Selfless and be like, fine, you know, like, the kids can live with you. I'm gonna, you know, be there and visit. We don't know what her situation was. We don't know if it was abusive. We don't know what the financial situation. Like, nobody knows. And we shouldn't have to know that why there's minors. But, like, anyway, so she says that it was Heather. So she says it on watchdoms live. And then Heather responds, let's set the record straight. First of all, I don't do research. I do not research anyone. That's not my MO. I do not have time or interest to try to dig something up on other people for the reunion. Last year, there was a lot of stories in the media circling about Katie, and some of us were sending them to each other because it was overwhelming and crazy. I did, in fact, send an article about Katie's custody to Emily. I did nothing more than that. And I would never have brought this up at the reunion. Okay. Lisa Vanderpump. I actually went up to Katie during the commercial break and said to her, that must have been very difficult time for you. Sure. After it was all exposed. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I never would have brought this up. Kids and careers are off limits. Careers.
- [83:26]
Unknown
Careers. You're not your whole thing.
- [83:27]
Sarah Frazier
A housewife.
- [83:28]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [83:29]
Sarah Frazier
Like, there is no other career. You're not. You're not acting, Heather. And Emily's not a lawyer, okay? She was a party planner. Like, you know, and I don't know what. What Gina's real estate life is really. Okay. So anyway. Not really sure why Gina chose to include this response but it on the show or make it sound salacious. Now, we all know. Yeah, they all get that. They all get that stuff. They all get it sent to them. They all know it. They all talked about it. It goes back from the book. Who brought the book of Daniel Stott to the salon, whatever. And then it all. Who did it? And it's like, we all did it. We all talked about. We found it at the library. We all were like, are you talking like it's been the beginning of time, of Real Housewives history that this happens? But it was Emily's choice to bring it up. So. Yes. Do I think. But of course, Heather was happy to dig up some dirt and share it because she still claims that she didn't call the paparazzi. She's not lying. She didn't call the paparazzi. But someone did.
- [84:39]
Unknown
Right? For her, right? Sure, sure.
- [84:41]
Sarah Frazier
You know, like in her camp and somebody.
- [84:43]
Unknown
I mean, like, come on.
- [84:45]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, I have.
- [84:47]
Unknown
You've been in this town a long.
- [84:48]
Sarah Frazier
Time of taping a show, and they're there, okay? They know that I'm doing the show because someone told them I'm doing the show. And I'm like, hey, you're like, come on.
- [84:58]
Unknown
Yeah, I know, right? You know, and you go to Craig's because you're coming out and you know, TMZ will be there.
- [85:04]
Sarah Frazier
Right? But you know, the Disneyland and all that. So she probably said, yeah, like, probably. Someone said to Katie, yeah, those people get called. They're not waiting around outside of a Costa Mesa grocery store to take photos of Bronwyn after her third lesbian wedding.
- [85:22]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [85:22]
Sarah Frazier
Remember that? Where she was constantly being caught. Like, I'm like, nobody is doing that.
- [85:27]
Unknown
Right?
- [85:27]
Sarah Frazier
You could call them on yourselves. You could have your person call them. Like, it doesn't. Kyle Richards, I'm sure calls it when she was out with Morgan. Like, come on. They're not just hanging around Ventura Boulevard with their camera. They're not. It's like, so she was still mad about that, though. She was like, I'm not lying. I didn't call them and tell them I was gonna be on space Mountain at 2:00'. Clock, but I might have told My public, who knows what the truth is. But I thought it was so awful. I mean. And I just feel like this season is too much of the Real Housewives of blackmailing. And it just feels so you.
- [86:02]
Unknown
Do you think it's too dirty? Yeah, there's just too dirty.
- [86:04]
Sarah Frazier
There's nothing fun. I don't think there's, like, nothing, like, fun with them. It's just. It's so much about, you did this and said this, and then I don't know. And it's like, yes. And I think Heather's afraid of Tamara. Fuck, I'm afraid of Tamara. Who isn't afraid of Tamara? She's fucking scary.
- [86:20]
Unknown
Yeah, she is scary. I know.
- [86:24]
Sarah Frazier
You know, she's the one that said to me, to Vicki on the couch, you know, you called me after our night in Cabo and said, there's a naked guy next to me. What are you talking about? Tamara?
- [86:36]
Unknown
That's disgusting.
- [86:38]
Sarah Frazier
Like, clearly that happened. Like, that fucking happened.
- [86:41]
Unknown
Yeah. They're free to Tamara.
- [86:43]
Sarah Frazier
You imagine you have a wild night with your. Who you think is your best friend, and your best friend knows you're in a shit marriage, and you call her and you're like. Like, let's take it to the grave. And then a year and a half later, you're on a couch at a reunion for all of your kids and everybody to see, and she brings up the fact that you made out with another person while you marry or had sex. Think about how fucked up that is. And then she'll. And then it'll be, well, hurt people. Hurt people. I hate that expression. Or, well, she said this about me. I know, but it's also gross. Like, it's also gross that, like, friendships end. And I think the grossest thing that happens when a friendship ends, whether it's on a reality show or in real life, is when especially girls. And then that girlfriend that you shared that thing with.
- [87:39]
Unknown
I know. Brings it up, Uses it. Brings it up.
- [87:41]
Sarah Frazier
Or tells people, or use it, like, can we just have a civil divorce? Can we just say that no matter what happens, we're not going to do this? And it just, like. I just. I mean, to think that the three of them, a year and a half ago were at the Irvine Improv going, we're. The trace of me goes. Ha ha.
- [88:00]
Unknown
Like, I know.
- [88:01]
Sarah Frazier
And now they hate each other now.
- [88:03]
Unknown
Yeah. After all those years of friendship is so.
- [88:08]
Sarah Frazier
Ugh. But I'm still watching.
- [88:11]
Unknown
I know. I am, too. I really love. I. I like Jen. Pedantry. I want to see this. Like, Ryan, bikini wedding. I don't know. I. I like that storyline.
- [88:21]
Sarah Frazier
I think that storyline is good.
- [88:22]
Unknown
I do.
- [88:24]
Sarah Frazier
And I think that whole thing is interesting. And then, you know, and this, like, Seth. Tamara's like, get Shannon off the show. She has a storyline. She's boring.
- [88:33]
Unknown
Jen, what is Tamara's storyline like?
- [88:37]
Sarah Frazier
Just that her friend is sick. And before that, Eddie was sick, and before that Simon was sick. I mean, it's sad, but she's had a lot of sick people in her life and.
- [88:48]
Unknown
And that's it.
- [88:48]
Sarah Frazier
And then you should leave her alone because these people close to her are sick. So it's like there's so many things.
- [88:53]
Unknown
I still want to know about Gretchen. Like how much did Gretchen get A lot of money from the guy that she was sort of the sugar daddy.
- [88:57]
Sarah Frazier
I see that you bring that up.
- [89:00]
Unknown
And sad. That's first. And he died.
- [89:03]
Sarah Frazier
The thing that it goes so far back with Tamara and Gretchen is you went to Bass Lake. It was bringing up the fact that she wasn't 24, 7, a nurse maid for this older guy. I think she got some money. I don't think it was an enormous amount.
- [89:20]
Unknown
Yeah, I think you're right in.
- [89:22]
Sarah Frazier
And around then she was dating somebody else, allegedly. She always said she wasn't dating him. And that guy went to Tamara, allegedly, and gave evidence that they were together in a romantic way when she was still. When he was still alive. James. Then there was the thing. The dirty. Remember the dirty?
- [89:45]
Unknown
What was the dirty?
- [89:45]
Sarah Frazier
The dirty was before the Internet went crazy, Nick Ritchie had this website where guys, angry men basically would send basically revenge porn and talk about their ex girlfriends and people would write awful things about. It started in Scottsdale. And then it went over and it would start just. It was just. They would just reveal awful things about their exes and it would go crazy on the dirty. So this guy sent salacious pictures of. Of Gretchen.
- [90:19]
Unknown
Okay.
- [90:20]
Sarah Frazier
Out. And she. At one point, it's my understanding she did sue him and she did win years later. But it went on.
- [90:28]
Unknown
Forgotten all this. Okay.
- [90:30]
Sarah Frazier
However, it's on the show. The photos are on the show in a past episode because I saw somebody showing it. And here were the photos.
- [90:39]
Unknown
Oh, the dirty.
- [90:42]
Sarah Frazier
I cannot believe that Bravo shows these photos.
- [90:48]
Unknown
Wow.
- [90:48]
Sarah Frazier
This is from episodes of the Repeats that are on Peacock.
- [90:54]
Unknown
Wow.
- [90:54]
Sarah Frazier
And then this is what Tamara would make fun of, is that one of the dildo things had a cord or a vibrator. You had to plug it in. That's how long ago it was.
- [91:06]
Unknown
Didn't have a USB charger. Wow.
- [91:09]
Sarah Frazier
So that's where the hate. That's where the hatred and shit goes. Okay, we're going to wrap it up because you are a Sister Wives expert. We know that Cody is going to do Special Forces, and there's already rumors that there's some good fights with him and other people. Where do you think we're going to end or continue with Sister Wives?
- [91:26]
Unknown
You know, I think about this way too much because part of me, you know, the rumor is that season 20, which will be out this fall, is in it, you know, because he doesn't have Sister Wives anymore. He's in love with Robin. He's declared he doesn't want to be a polygamist anymore. They've moved into this $2 million mansion in Flagstaff, Arizona, and they have a new home now. Yes. They got rid of the McMansion that you've seen for years. They bought a $2 million, you know, over $2 million home. They've moved into that coyote.
- [91:55]
Sarah Frazier
They did sell all the pieces sold.
- [91:57]
Unknown
For, like 1.3 million, 1.2 million gone. It might even have been more than that. But anyhow, now Coyote Pass is done. And, you know, what. What is the show? I mean, are we going to just follow these women? They all live in different parts of the country. You know, Mary's in Parowan, Utah. Christine's in Utah, but doesn't. Isn't friendly at all with Mary. Janelle moved with her daughter to North Carolina.
- [92:23]
Sarah Frazier
I don't think there is a show.
- [92:25]
Unknown
Unless people think it's over.
- [92:26]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, unless they're, like, hating on. I mean, I like them all. I just. Yeah, the dynamic was, you know, who's getting special treatment for CO from Cody for 20 years.
- [92:37]
Unknown
Right.
- [92:37]
Sarah Frazier
And without that, I don't know.
- [92:39]
Unknown
Well, and the kids. I mean, the kids are like John and K. Plus eight kids. None of them want to be on TV anymore. They're done. Some of them make appearances, but they don't. I mean, that would be the show, right, if, like, the kids were willing to be on because they're all in.
- [92:52]
Sarah Frazier
But they're all in different places, so they have all different, like, film crews following them.
- [92:58]
Unknown
You know, they have to do well.
- [92:59]
Sarah Frazier
Maybe financially, if they want to do it. Maybe it still is so cheap that. I mean, I always said that it must be the most poorly paid people on reality tv because they never seem to have, like, a pot to piss in. They'd have, like, the paper plate parties and, like. And then, like, they couldn't afford to, like, ever, like, lay down some pipes at Coyote Pass for like five years. And I'm like, what are they getting paid?
- [93:20]
Unknown
Well, the rumor was the most, triple.
- [93:22]
Sarah Frazier
The only person that seems to be poorer than them is Gina of oc. I'm like, gina's been on the show for five years. She must be getting child support. She has a full time job trying to sell houses as a realtor. She's on the show. She does sponsorships and brands. Yet I just read in reality blurb that she now.
- [93:45]
Unknown
How much do you think she's making? 250.
- [93:47]
Sarah Frazier
She and the guy Travis, they rent. They rent a house for $8,000 a month rent. So that's 4,000.
- [93:53]
Unknown
That's a mortgage. Right?
- [93:55]
Sarah Frazier
But still. But I mean, they're renting, I'm saying. So it's like her mortgage is $4,000 each. She keeps talking about how awful the ex wife is on tv. I'm like, that's probably not helping the situation, but I get it. I just am like, why has Gina's life not improved at all? Like, why are we like. I mean, talk about minimum wage. Can we get a fair wage for these fucking reality show people? Like, what is this?
- [94:19]
Unknown
We need Bethany's reality reckoning after all. I mean, you know, how. How much is Gina really making?
- [94:24]
Sarah Frazier
God, I mean, it's by five, but I always thought by like year five or six is when you finally were making like 500,000, 600,000. I always feel like the most that I ever heard was Kandi got like 2 or 1 5. But I know that Tamara and Vicki at one point were getting like over a million.
- [94:40]
Unknown
And Theresa, right. I mean, all these years, Theresa's got to have made a ton of money.
- [94:44]
Sarah Frazier
I just am like, God, like, I saw Gina and Emily, did a show in la, but then I never saw any photos of it, so I'm like, did it happen? They're doing like a live show with espresso martinis.
- [94:57]
Unknown
Did anyone go to that?
- [94:58]
Sarah Frazier
Emily just like lifting up her skirt. Hit my ass.
- [95:01]
Unknown
She did have a good ass though, don't you think?
- [95:03]
Sarah Frazier
I was like, that was pretty good. Weird, but it was.
- [95:06]
Unknown
Yeah, no, she's ready. She's on the Ozempic and she's ready to show that body. I know she says she doesn't do anymore. She like it, kicked it.
- [95:12]
Sarah Frazier
Kickstarter people go back and forth. Who cares?
- [95:14]
Unknown
Yeah, right, right.
- [95:15]
Sarah Frazier
They jelly roll there.
- [95:17]
Unknown
You don't think jelly roll is down to. What's he down to? Down from 540 to three something. Yeah, okay. You think jelly rolls on the OIC. Of course.
- [95:26]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, come on. You don't lose weight like that from walking or.
- [95:28]
Unknown
It's what he says. He says he walks from way out, from the tour bus to the venue.
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Sarah Frazier
I mean, it's that or a Gastric sleeve or both or whatever and who cares? It's all good. It's all healthy. But I mean, you know, it's.
- [95:46]
Unknown
Oh, wow.
- [95:47]
Sarah Frazier
I mean, come on.
- [95:50]
Unknown
Well, Bunny's always so transparent.
- [95:52]
Sarah Frazier
I remember when Star Jones said it was like, from Pilates and like, walking her dog.
- [95:57]
Unknown
I know, just say it's from fucking Ozempic. I know.
- [96:00]
Sarah Frazier
Star Jones was. Back then. That was Gastric.
- [96:02]
Unknown
The sleeve.
- [96:03]
Sarah Frazier
Well, we'll see what happens with Sister Wives.
- [96:06]
Unknown
We will. It's. It is going to end from what Mary Brown has told us, so. It is. Yeah, that's what she. The hint. You. She did my podcast. I know. I loved your Christine Brown Woolly interview. You had such a good one. But she said when she was on my show, Mary's gay.
- [96:22]
Sarah Frazier
It's too bad she's not.
- [96:24]
Unknown
No, that would be great if she was. That'd be a good storyline. I know she's very hot for a man.
- [96:29]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah.
- [96:30]
Unknown
Doesn't seem like super hot for a man, so. I don't think so.
- [96:33]
Sarah Frazier
Yeah, well. Well, we'll see. I kind of stopped watching it because basically I have a very hard time figuring out where things are playing on my tv. It's just.
- [96:48]
Unknown
It's over.
- [96:49]
Sarah Frazier
Look, I know there's. Yeah. It's just so hard to find things. And I'm like, where is the streamer and what's it on? And at my old TV situation, I knew exactly where it was. And then once Peter changed the.
- [97:03]
Unknown
One.
- [97:03]
Sarah Frazier
More time, I just could never find it again.
- [97:07]
Unknown
Like watching paint dry. I mean, it wasn't.
- [97:09]
Sarah Frazier
But it is the boringest thing. But there was a weird comfort when they kept. Whenever they would go and wear their puffy jackets and skinny jeans to Coyote Pass, it was comforting when they'd sit down and Mary would be like, look at the mountain. And then once that didn't happen, once it changed, I just kind of was like, I know.
- [97:28]
Unknown
Well, a lot of people are with you. I mean, I feel like the last couple of seasons have been the most interesting. Like the women leaving him, finally calling him out, you know, basically confessing it was all about Robin from the get go. And then, I mean, you know, it was so tragic this past season, but they did a great job, you know, really memorializing Garrison and everything that happened there, so it's. It is still compelling.
- [97:50]
Sarah Frazier
Well, Sarah, it was really fun. I'm really glad you came. Thank you for all the compliments. I did not.
- [97:57]
Unknown
You were. Look, that was not. You did.
- [98:00]
Sarah Frazier
And tell everybody where they can get more of you and your show and everything.
- [98:04]
Unknown
The Sarah Frazier Show. I put out an episode every day. I do pop culture. I cover a lot of TLC stuff. Welcome to Plathville is a popular show that's out with these, you know, kind of Christian cult, you know, family that's completely imploded. They had 11 kids, so then the kids could watch TV. Now they're all drinking. The mom was arrested for DUI. It's really fun to watch. So it's a. It's a daily, you know, pop culture show everywhere. You get your podcasts and truly, thank you. I could talk about you forever, so I'm very grateful.
- [98:34]
Sarah Frazier
Thank you, Everybody. Go to heathermcdall.net to join my Patreon to check out my YouTube channel, subscribe, all that, and, of course, come see me in Vegas. Get those tickets, because once they're sold out, they're sold out. Thank you.