Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers on Cheaters, Friendship and Dating

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald
Episode: Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers on Cheaters, Friendship and Dating
Date: April 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this deeply candid and rollicking episode, Heather McDonald sits down with Lala Kent and Ambyr Childers—now close friends and co-hosts of the podcast Unlikely Affair—to dissect their turbulent shared past involving infidelity, addiction, and betrayal. The women open up about being linked by a high-profile Hollywood cheater, their unlikely journey from "enemies" to best friends, co-parenting, dating, and how reality TV and social media have shaped their paths. The discussion blends pop culture commentary, raw confessions, and the unique wisdom of women who have weathered very public personal storms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shared Past: Infidelity, Discovery, and Fallout

• Ambyr Childers’ Backstory and Discovery

  • Ambyr reveals she married young, moving to New York at 17 for a soap opera role, and entering a relationship marked by early, repeated infidelity.
  • She details the emotional breakdown of her marriage, linking her willingness to persist to her Mormon upbringing and romantic ideals.
  • Notably, the relationship ended after she discovered a sex tape involving her then-husband and Lala Kent (06:11).
  • Notable Quote:
    “You start to feel like you’re dying, right? You, your soul ... I'm living in this body and I'm moving, but my soul is dead.” – Ambyr Childers (05:14)

• Lala Kent’s Perspective as “the Other Woman”

  • Lala admits to being under the impression that her partner was separated, crediting her sheltered upbringing for not questioning him more rigorously.
  • Her struggles with alcohol intensified when she met him, which she sees as both a product of, and an escape from, the dysfunction.
  • She explains the moment she began to see the truth and ultimately reached out to Ambyr to make amends after her own relationship crashed.
  • Notable Quote:
    “Regardless of if it was my intention or not, it doesn’t matter. My actions caused another woman hurt.” – Lala Kent (21:49)
  • Memorable exchange:
    “I stayed for my kids ... but then I left because it’s like I have two daughters that I’m raising and like they’re seeing their mom be completely disrespected. And like, that's not cool either.” – Ambyr (07:48)

• From Enemy to Best Friends and Podcast Co-hosts

  • Both women discuss the gradual process of forgiveness, the realization they were both deceived, and the healing that came from supporting each other and cutting out a toxic ex.
  • Ambyr credits Lala’s involvement (even as a stepmom figure to her kids) for helping her finally leave her marriage and addiction (44:44).
  • Notable Quote:
    “If it wasn’t for her and the situation that happened, I would have never left.” – Ambyr Childers (44:52)

2. Trauma, Addiction & Sobriety

• Both Ambyr and Lala open up about substance abuse—Ambyr with prescription drugs and wine, Lala with alcohol—and how becoming sober changed their lives, particularly as caregivers to children (25:25).
• Lala notes her identity as a stepmom and how sobriety allowed her to show up fully for Ambyr’s daughters and eventually her own (25:41).
• Notable Quote:
  “Thank God I got sober, because then I became a mom to my own child ... it was definitely, it felt like my purpose.” – Lala Kent (25:41)

3. Dating After Betrayal & Navigating Red Flags

• Both women express feeling “scarred” and indecisive about red flags in future partners, questioning when enthusiasm and protection might really be manipulation (28:09).
• They laugh about “love bombing” as a seductive trap and analyze how charm can mask deeper, toxic patterns.
• Notable Quote:
  "I'm so traumatized that I don't know what is right or wrong." – Lala Kent (29:16)

4. Reality TV, Social Media, and Public Scrutiny

• Lala and Ambyr talk through the pressures of dealing with relationship drama in the public eye, referencing everything from Vanderpump Rules’ production to viral TikTok stories.
• Lala shares about the pressure she felt when the affair was secret and rumors swirled, including fleeing filming to avoid “being hounded” by her castmates (52:23).
• Both speak candidly about how fame, social media, and “dopamine hits” can become addictive and toxic, relating it to both their own and others’ behavior online (56:46–59:46).
  • Notable Quote:
    "Fame is an addiction. And I think social media is a huge element of that." – Heather McDonald (56:43)
• Discussion about deleting Instagram/Raya as a discipline and the illusion/production behind “real-life” viral moments (57:02–71:50).

5. Pop Culture Commentary

• The trio dish on recent reality TV drama (Stagecoach, Summer House, The Valley), reflect on the psychology of side-chick/affair culture, and analyze ‘hatfishing’ (dating app deception involving hats).
• Heather muses over the trends of influencer culture, DJing as a post-fame gig, and the “shop my closet” hustle (66:14–68:07).
• They touch on physical/mental health fads like jaw cracking, cupping, and “red light saunas,” sharing both ridicule and curiosity (61:06–64:44).

6. Forgiveness, Co-parenting, and Modeling Strength

• Ambyr and Lala emphasize the importance of showing self-respect and modeling positive behavior for their daughters, even if it’s only possible after hitting rock bottom.
• The episode closes with warmth as both reflect on how their friendship and new podcast represent a true “divorce” from their shared past and a celebration of growth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “What I thought was my reality is like, very far from that ... There just came a point in time where I knew that I needed to reach out to her and make an amends and just... own my part for what I did to her, what I participated in.” – Lala Kent (15:09)
• “I want to be hunted. Yeah. Because what's so great about love bombing as a woman is you get love bombed and you're like, finally somebody gets how great I am.” – Heather McDonald (27:23)
• “As women, we are supposed to have each other's back. Yes, we all make mistakes, but those kind of mistakes, you’re ... sick.” – Ambyr Childers, on betrayal by a friend (49:18)
• “Your career will never wake up in the middle of the night and tell you it doesn’t love you anymore.” – Lady Gaga, cited by Lala Kent (54:05)
• “Hatfish. I love that expression.” – Heather McDonald, on men hiding baldness with hats on dating apps (34:19)
• “If we were smart, would we have ended up in that situation? I think the smarts came later.” – Lala Kent (27:07)
• “She was so good with my girls and I'm so, so thankful.” – Ambyr Childers on Lala’s role as stepmom (23:59)
• “Now when a guy's right there, ready to fight or whatever, I'm like, who you fucking behind my back?” – Lala Kent (29:03)
• “Fame is an addiction. And I think social media is a huge element of that.” – Heather McDonald (56:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:15] Lala and Ambyr officially join, reflect on their friendship’s unlikely arc
• [03:49–07:45] Ambyr on her marriage, discovering infidelity, finding the sex tape
• [15:08–17:42] Lala’s perspective, substance abuse, realizations, and attempt to make amends
• [21:49–23:50] Lala's remorse, revelations after the relationship, and focus on custody and sobriety
• [23:59–25:50] Co-parenting, step-parenting, Lala’s positive influence on Ambyr’s daughters
• [27:07–29:16] Love bombing, dating after trauma, the scars of betrayal
• [34:09–35:17] ‘Hatfishing’ and dating app red flags
• [44:06–44:52] Ambyr’s addiction and how Lala’s involvement gave her the courage to leave
• [49:17–49:57] On side chick psychology and betrayal between women
• [52:15–53:24] Lala on fleeing Vanderpump Rules set, pressure of hiding the affair
• [54:05] Lady Gaga’s quote on prioritizing career over love
• [56:43–59:46] Social media as addiction, deleting accounts, the dopamine hit
• [66:14–68:07] Influencer marketing, club appearances, and the business of reality fame
• [72:40–73:30] Ambyr and Lala on titling their podcast and moving forward

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Final Notes

• Podcast Plugs:
  Unlikely Affair (Lala & Ambyr’s joint podcast), Untraditionally Lala, and the free-wheeling Bravo show The Valley.

• The tone is raw, warm, witty, and distinctly honest. The entire episode is a testament to women reclaiming their stories, forgiving themselves and each other, and forging new paths after very public mistakes and heartbreak.

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Transcript

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[Heather McDonald]

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[Amber Childers]

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[Lala Kent]

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[Heather McDonald]

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Get ready for a juicy one because I have the one time Enemies Turns Best friends podcast Stars of Unlikely Affair, Lala Kent, Amber Childers. Welcome to Juicy Scoop, girls. Yay.

[Lala Kent]

Thank you for having us.

[Heather McDonald]

I. I just love that you guys have become so close and your friendship and everything and I can't wait to get into like how that became and all of it. But first, can we just talk about me always. Thanks. Please. I just want to say I'm so excited because May 9th is my show at the Avalon Theatre. It's sold out in the first week thanks to the Patreon peeps and everybody and we're just really excited. And Christopher Angola and Brandy and Julie are gonna be there for my live Juicy Scoop at the Avalon Theater. So when you see all the stuff about Netflix as a joke, just know that your girl has made it.

[Lala Kent]

Thanks you made it. You're an icon. You made it long ago now.

[Heather McDonald]

I thank you. I. We have so much to talk about. And I remember, you know, we were friends first. You came on the show Lala and I was fan of watching you. And then I met your ex and I did find him very funny and you guys fun together and we saw that, you know, there was some social media that kind of went on with the messiness of he having an ex wife who is Amber and two children with her. And, and I just want to get a little bit of the backstory of how much you care to share Amber of like that you guys were separated, you had issues, you're like on and off kind of. Can you just share a little bit on that?

[Amber Childers]

Well, we were never on and off. Maybe to him in my world, I was very much married. He was air quote working, making movies. I had two little kids. Yes, there had been infidelity in my marriage, you know, for a very long time.

[Heather McDonald]

How did you first find out that that was a pattern in your relationship?

[Amber Childers]

It was very early on, very, very early.

[Heather McDonald]

Was it just a, like, did you

[Amber Childers]

see the phone or it was everything phone, text messages. And then eventually, like, you know, you just catch on, you see people's patterns and then you notice there, I mean, you live under the same roof with someone. I mean, you know, when something is, is like off and not, not right. So eventually I, you know, I just kept staying. You know, I'm like a hopeless romantic. And it's like so weird to hear myself now even after, you know, the marriage and another long term relationship and being single and dating now. Like I, and I think it stems from I grew up Mormon. Right. So like, oh my God, you had that.

[Heather McDonald]

You guys kind of. Not that you, you were never raised Mormon, but raised around a lot of Mormons.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, my dad was a Mormon. Oh, your father was a Mormon? Yeah, he had left the church. I came into the world. But yeah, my, my dad's entire family was very lds.

[Heather McDonald]

That is so crazy.

[Amber Childers]

So being raised Mormon and then having. My parents have known each other since high school and they're still married to this day. So like for me, divorce, infidelity, like that never existed in my, my world. So I think there was a lot of, you know, denial. Right. I'm gonna figure this out. There's other people in the world that have gone through this and they've been able to manage and try to control the situation and change the person. And you stay because you have kids and you know, you want Your family. And then. And then you realize, like, you eventually looking back towards the end, I'm like, I'm you. You start to feel like you're dying, right? You, you, your soul. It's such a weird thing to articulate, but you're like, I'm living in this body and I'm moving, but my soul is dead. Like, I'm not alive inside. And at that point, it was. And then obviously it kind of. The straw that broke the camel's back was eventually finding a sex tape and

[Heather McDonald]

of him with somebody else.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, with her.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, that. You found the sex tape of them? Where did you find it? Like, on the phone or.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, yeah, on the phone. And while I was sleeping. Well, I wasn't sleeping. I. Obviously awake, but we were both sleeping.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you search the phone.

[Amber Childers]

She started calling in the middle of the night. And I didn't know. I didn't know what it was. And so I snuck his phone out from underneath his pillow.

[Heather McDonald]

While he's asleep.

[Amber Childers]

While he's asleep. And it was like a gun emoji. And at this point, I knew that they had been seeing each other because he would go down to Miami and I would look on her Instagram and she would be in Miami, and then they would go somewhere and then she. So, like, it wasn't. You know, you become a detective when, you know, when you. You have to become a detective. So I found the sex tape and kind of all hell broke loose from that point on.

[Heather McDonald]

So then did you wake him up at that point or, like, start to, like, be quiet and kind of plan?

[Amber Childers]

Like, I took my time and, like, I really studied, like, his position. And, like, I was like, wow, Lala's really beautiful. And then I was like, so. No, I. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And did you know that Lala was a reality star?

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, but I had never seen Vanderpump Rules.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Amber Childers]

At that point, like, at all, like, I knew nothing. Nothing. I was like, head in the sand, which. Shame on me. Like, I should have been a little more, like, alert, I feel like. But I was in complete denial of the situation. So eventually, yeah, we ended up. I woke him up, we got into a fight, and. But it was a peaceful fight. I think it was kind of like,

[Heather McDonald]

you know, there's no denying that this

[Amber Childers]

is not working, right? Like, shame on me. Shame on you. Like, I. I gotta. I gotta leave for myself now, right? You know, I tell people I. I stayed for my kids because I didn't want them to come from a broken home. But then I. I left because it's like I have two daughters that I'm raising and like they're seeing their mom be completely disrespected. And like that's not cool either. Like, I don't want, I have to model for them, what a good healthy marriage looks like.

[Heather McDonald]

And so what I think is interesting is so I'm watching the show and I'm seeing Lala and I see that she is talking about this mysterious guy who's in the industry. And the vision I had in my head of who this person is, he was hot. Yes. I imagine like a, like a, like a Randy Gerber type who is married to Cindy Crawford, but maybe like 10 years ago, like a 40 year old that looked kind of like that. And so I was like, oh my God. I can get why you're keeping it a secret, you know, in my head. And then when I find out, well, he has a wife, then I imagined another type of person who attracted. But I imagine like a brunette and I imagine someone closer to his age and to my age and I'm like, who is this child bride? Who is this gorgeous, successful actress? Stunning. Like, how the hell, how the hell.

[Lala Kent]

What's going through your head right now?

[Amber Childers]

A lot.

[Lala Kent]

Are you nervous?

[Amber Childers]

Having an out of body experience?

[Lala Kent]

To be honest, she doesn't share much ever. Like these are all conversations that we've had like behind, behind the scenes. So to watch her like talk about it is.

[Amber Childers]

Well, you know, it's. It's someone else telling your story from their perspective is, is really interesting. Yeah, like, huh, you're right. What a dumb bitch. I'm thinking like, who is that girl?

[Lala Kent]

As she's talking about it too. I'm like, what? What was I doing? Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Anyway, so how did you meet him and how old were you?

[Amber Childers]

Wow, we're really going back. I was young, I was 17, turning 18 that summer I met him in New York. I was on a soap opera called All My Children. I had graduated high school early because I had booked this job and I was going actually on a golf scholarship, signed with the university, booked All My Children and said, you know what? I could play golf until I'm 80 years old. Like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Grow up in a conservative Mormon household. I wanted to get out so badly, so I went to New York. He was there. I don't know what he was doing there. He was there. A friend of a mutual friend introduced us. He was like, she's also another actress. And that was it. Like, that was how he just, he

[Lala Kent]

has such A charm.

[Amber Childers]

Yes. He has.

[Heather McDonald]

Very charming.

[Lala Kent]

Yes.

[Amber Childers]

And I want to say this. It's like this person's personality is so larger than life. And he's funny, and he's a great storyteller, and he's totally dramatic. And, like. So there was. It wasn't like, some weird. Like, there's an attraction there that I had that I really was like, wow, this person's really fun to be around.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

And, like, we go and do fun things, and he loves to go shopping, and he loves to go take, like, take vacations. And he's like, I just love. I love. I was telling her this on the way here. Like, I love an east coast guy. The energy, I like.

[Heather McDonald]

That's the. You know what? That's, like, the only accent that I would. That I was into back when I was single. Like a Jersey or, like, Jersey, New York.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, never. You know, I was never into really, like, you know, Scottish or English or that didn't like, House to get excited about that.

[Amber Childers]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Not me. It has to be like, you know, like, even.

[Lala Kent]

Like.

[Heather McDonald]

That's why I think women love, like, gangster movies, because it's like, even though they're, like, murdering Scarface, they're dressed well, and they're gonna buy you a piece of jewelry, and it's like, they're very protective. The protective of the family and the protective of you. And I think as a woman, that's just a hot thing.

[Amber Childers]

I felt protected by him.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

For sure. For no other reason that, like, I knew that I was going to be protected. He supported me. He loved that I was an actor. I love that he was in the business. And I feel like a lot of artists were very misunderstood in the world, so to find your person that, like, gets who you are from the inside out, and. And he did. And there was. There was a lot of love there. There was a lot of. And I know that there was an age gap, but, like, he was. He was much younger than his actual age. Right. Like, I was the old soul. He was like the man child.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Amber Childers]

So it worked perfectly.

[Heather McDonald]

And so how old were you when you got engaged or married?

[Amber Childers]

There was no engagement.

[Lala Kent]

We went.

[Amber Childers]

We got married when I was 20, and then I had my first kid at 21.

[Heather McDonald]

That is crazy. And how did your parents feel about that?

[Amber Childers]

I mean, they were not happy.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you have a real wedding?

[Amber Childers]

No, we eloped in Malibu. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That just says a lot.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

You're dating this younger. I mean, basically, did you even have a boyfriend, like a real boyfriend before him. I mean, you just got out of high school.

[Amber Childers]

My high school sweetheart, I had, I had met my, my high school sweetheart and we were actually going to play golf together. Like he had gotten a scholarship to the same university and it was like that classic, like Americana, like two athletes. Like, you know what I mean? That's what the plan was. But no, I hadn't dated. So from time I met to the time I got divorced at 27, I never had that dating experience.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it is such a whirlwind when you do. When I was younger, I would sometimes date older guys too. And I, I liked it. I mean, it's nice. It's like nice car they make the plan. You know, you feel special. You kind of feel hot and sexy because you are younger and hot and sexier than they are. So it's like, it's not like you're, you know, dating someone your age or dating someone that's like a model male model or something. You kind of feel like always the hotter one of the two. And it's a. Yeah, I, I mean, I totally get it. And so, so then when you discovered everything and how, how much time, like to explain? A little bit of the time I remember there was like, you know, some, like I said, some social media stuff that went on.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because I think you were here lean a little more. I think you obviously were being fed a different narrative and you know, you want to explain a little bit like where your perspective was because you were dating this person that wasn't being honest with you either.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

But I think had I been clear headed because I was drinking pretty heavily once I met him. I mean, and I'm not saying that he's the reason for my drinking, but I just can pinpoint when it kind of became out of control, which is when he entered my life. Would it have been out of control regardless? Maybe, I guess we'll never know. But I would have been able to put two and two together. Like, I think I was actively trying to silence my gut from telling me something is not right here. But yeah, I was under the impression I was 25 years old and I came from Amber parents who had been together since my mom was like 19 years old. They had a wonderful marriage. Like, it just didn't occur to me that people would like go out and like lie about their marital status to like bag another person. That didn't really enter my brain. And then I just remember him saying that he was separated and then I Remember hounding him on an actual divorce date. And then I remember him not being able to give me that. So I started hooking up and with other people and dating until that was situated still very much in contact with him, but I wasn't exclusively with him. And then that day came and Amber and I just could. Every time we would get to common ground, it was always something that would knock us off of our rocker where we just could never see eye to eye. Understandably. Like she, she had a very traumatic experience that involved me and many traumatic experiences before that. And I was deep in my alcoholism. I think that I was jealous of her because, you know, she gave him the two kids. She was an actress. I was a girl from Utah who landed on reality tv. All sorts of crazy shit coming out of my mouth. And then once my relationship ended and I kind of, you know, the information started pouring in and it was like oh my gosh. Like what I thought was my reality is like very far from that, from the time we started the relationship. And there just came a point in time where I knew that I needed to reach out to her and make an amends and just kind of, not kind of, you know, absolutely own my part for what I did to her, what I participated in.

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[Lala Kent]

Because regardless of if it was my intention or not, it doesn't matter. My actions caused another woman hurt. And that way it was tough because I kept thinking, how could you be so fucking stupid?

[Heather McDonald]

About yourself.

[Lala Kent]

Yes, about myself.

[Heather McDonald]

And so up until the point where then you found out he was being deceptive to you and you already had Ocean prior to that.

[Lala Kent]

And let's be very clear, the deception where it was like the cheating part, that was fucking child's play. It was everything else that was revealed where I said, oh, we're gonna enter a custody battle. I'm in fear for my child. I don't. This person is like the cheating I could get over. We can kiki. You know, my heart will heal because I wasn't in love with this person. We'll get over it. It's a tough pill to swallow and be like, oh, like we were homies. Like that. Like I really felt like he and I thrived as friends.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That's what I liked about hanging out with the two of you is because I did think you were like a funny couple. Like a kind of a fun.

[Lala Kent]

Thrived as friends. Anytime the emotional connection came into play, it was like cats and dogs. It was not. We just didn't fit. But it was like that I could have gotten over. It was everything that came with that that I have not shared where I was like, you will not. We will never have a friendship. Nothing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

We'll barely be able to co parent.

[Heather McDonald]

But prior to the breakup.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Were you guys because you. Because of your daughters, you know, and you being. You guys weren't married but being a stepmom and you lived together with this man. Where had you guys found a better place as far as like when she was with your daughters and stuff prior to the. To you breaking up with him?

[Amber Childers]

Yeah. I would say that there were moments where I was like, oh, thank God, Lala's there. Thank God. Because I knew as much as like our differences aside, the fact that I'm not married to this guy anymore, I'm like, okay, great, moving on. She was so good with my girls and I'm so, so thankful that one that you got sober and that you could show up for them and you know, Lala kept order in the house. Stuff that men typically aren't great at.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. Because I was, I was around. I was in that house. I was sober longer than I was a drinker when I was in that situation. And so I really. My whole role and everything after I got sober was very different. It was like I was deeply embedded in being, like, a stepmom. Like, if the girls were, you know, struggling with reading or math, it was like, Amazon workbooks are coming to the house. Like, we're going to figure out how to count money where, you know, we were always cooking, doing face masks like that. That was truly my life, which I'm very grateful for, because had I not been sober, I would not have been able to show up for them. And then, thank God I got sober, because then I became a mom to my own child, which I was in the house for seven months. Like, it was very. And by the way, like, you were

[Amber Childers]

holding down the fort when he was, like, again, working.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, right.

[Amber Childers]

He was working. So. And it wasn't like he would give me the kids on my custodian. Like, even if he was out of town, they were with Lala. And it was like, okay, then, you know, thank God.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. No, that. It was definitely. It felt like my purpose. Like, obviously, I was working and things like that, but I was deeply embedded in, like.

[Amber Childers]

And even her mom was so great. Was like, you know, Lisa, Lala's mom was also amazing. Always cooking with the kids, always doing something amazing. And that is also.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, there was order and routine, for sure.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I remember him when it all came out and we were talking on the phone, and he's calling me, trying to convince me that this is just, you know, fans making up stuff. And. And I kind of was like, you know, at first I. I thought, no, maybe that is true. You know, like, people do do stuff like that. And then. And then you're just like, no, Heather. Like, no, it's over. I was like, oh, okay. And then I was like, okay, I'm never speaking to you again. Goodbye. You know, I'm not comfortable. I thought maybe I believed you for, like, you know, 36 hours, whatever. And so. But I. I remember then you saying, amber's been really great. We're talking all the time now.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so can you speak a little bit on that of when you guys, like, actually got together and realized, wow, this guy has a really good picker. We're both fabulous. Like, if can we give him one compliment? He knows how to pick great, gorgeous, smart, successful women who are great moms. I've noticed that with every. Like.

[Lala Kent]

But if we were smart, would we have ended up in that situation? I think the smarts came later, but

[Heather McDonald]

I think there's love Bombing. And I think there's being young, and I think there's a power difference that happens.

[Lala Kent]

I prefer a love bomber.

[Amber Childers]

I love Come Hunt Me, baby.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

I want to be hunted. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because what's so great about love bombing as a woman is you get love bombed. And you're like, finally somebody gets how great I am. I am the greatest woman. I am the sexiest thing you have ever seen in your life. Thank you. Thank you. Why are we not hitting this every night? I'm a fucking hot babe, you know?

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And then it doesn't occur to you that goes, wow, if you're that good with me, like, and you're 48 years old, is it possible that there was someone prior to me that you might have been this excited about and there might be someone after me that you might be this. No, because we like a compliment.

[Lala Kent]

That's fucking sad. But now I'm so scarred. I was telling Amber today, I'm like, this is where I'm at. The guy who shows up for me and is, like, right there, ready to fight. I'm like, that's a red flag. Cause what are you doing behind the scenes? But then the guys who, like, don't really show up. I'm like, well, that's a red flag, too, because you're not showing up at all. I'm like, I'm so traumatized that I don't know what is right or wrong.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, I think.

[Lala Kent]

Cause homeboy showed up. Yeah. Our ex. Oh, he was right there ready to fight for you.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah. We had this conversation today.

[Lala Kent]

Yes, we had this conversation today.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, like, when something was going and you were hurting, it was like, that you felt so protected.

[Lala Kent]

But then you're disoriented because you're like, wait, what have you been doing behind my back? What kind of life have you been living? So now when a guy's, like, right there, ready to fight or whatever, I'm like, who you fucking behind my back? Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

What's your intention?

[Lala Kent]

What's your intention here? Why are you fighting so hard? So then I went the other way, and it's like, okay, well, now you're not showing up at all. So, like, what are you doing behind my back? I don't know what is right or wrong anymore. Yeah, I don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it's hard when you've been through that. And our minds are so different than a man's brain. You know, you're caught. It's like, never stops. You're always thinking. You're. Oh, you know, and they're just like, what's for lunch?

[Lala Kent]

I know.

[Heather McDonald]

It's kind of like, okay, well, it's just a very different brain. And so it's like, it's hard to. This story that's in the news, I thought you guys would find interesting. So this guy is very good looking.

[Amber Childers]

I mean, they're both.

[Heather McDonald]

Stephen, I think his name. Stephen McBee from the McBee dynasty.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I watched some of the show. I had one of the women on his dad's like, ex girlfriend came on, which was. She was kind of interesting.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, he's very.

[Heather McDonald]

They run this cattle thing. He got. He got discovered because he was. They came to see if he wanted to be like the bachelor or something, or farmer needs a wife. I don't know what. And then he didn't do it. And then they were like, that production company was like, well, this is kind of an amazing thing because there's two other brothers in it. And I watched. So he has a new girlfriend, not the one we saw from two years ago in the show. He's a new girl that's featured on the show and she's very beautiful. And this exploded the day after Stagecoach, of all places. So they go to Stagecoach and I was there.

[Amber Childers]

Both of them.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, as a couple. And she's, you know, a beautiful, thin blonde, and he's, you know, a rugged, you know, hot guy. And so it was funny because I saw this one girl go, said, I just want to tell you guys, like, I saw a tick tock. She's like, at Stagecoach, I've seen so many couples fight that they sold twice as much alcohol in the first day of Stagecoach than both, like, Coachella things involved. So it's like, you know, it's a little. It's a little older of a crowd. You know, it's not necessarily all teenagers. There's a lot of 30, 40 year olds, you know, 20, late 20s, whatever, and they like to drink and whatever. I witnessed a couple arguing. Nothing bad, just her being like, I don't get it. Like, what? Why? And he's like, because I told you. And I just. I'm like, oh. Like, this is just like, whatever. And then the wind started to go and I told my girlfriend, I go, I don't want to get stuck here. I mean, let's go back to our house. So we left before the sandstorm. But so he leaves apparently a day early because he has to work. So he's not there for Sunday night. And somebody DMS him. I mean, there's a whole Bunch of things they've all shared. They've all been sharing their stories and their DMS and their videos. This is what I got from summarizing it. Somebody reached out to him and was like, hey, are you still dating this girl? And he's like, yeah, why? Well, she's at an after party, grinding up against a guy and like someone takes a photo of her kind of like dancing with some guy. He then immediately starts texting her like, what the hell are you doing? And very like abusive. Like, I knew you were just a whore. I can't make you, you know, I want. I thought I could make you a housewife. I can't. Da da da da. And like really, stuff like that. And he even did a video the morning after where he's like, yeah, you know what? I know I'm not easy to live with. I know I'm an A type. I have a personality. Things don't get right. I get angry. I'm like, who wants to date you? Like, it was like the worst. I was like, oh my God, like mean dad times 10. Like, who wants to be with this? And so then he's like. And I thought, you know, but when your whole life is about going to the next three day festival and what outfits you're going to wear and who you're going to meet and da da da da. And you have to go to the after party. Yeah, okay. We've been at Stagecoach for three days. She's with her friends, there's an after party. Why the. Not when you go, why wouldn't you go? You're all influencers. It's a business thing. And so then this young guy that she was supposedly dancing with, they were each following each other. Doesn't mean they're. Again, you're in the same business. He's just, I mean, I was wondering, is he talking to text or is he just like going off? Because it's like, you know, long paragraph, next long paragraph, paragraph, paragraph. And then he posts again. Like, this is where I am at 5.30am why my ex? Why my. While this girl is, whatever, whoring around at Zendaya, you know, after party or whatever. It is a Von Dutch party, whatever. So. And it's like a gym. Okay, I'm supposed to be real. That gets me real wet that you went to the gym at 5am like whatever, who cares? And so now everybody's like screaming, screw this guy. And she, she just goes, whatever, you're crazy. He's like, you know, and now the other girlfriend has been sharing Her DMS from two years ago, where he was like. Where her sister had just died and a month prior. And she's like, I just. I want to get my sister's ashes. I just. I feel. And he's like, fine, I'll. I'll move the ashes. Like, just. He was just, like, so awful. So maybe this girl and the girl from two years ago.

[Lala Kent]

Well, now I will be best friends now. Yeah, they could be.

[Heather McDonald]

The four of you guys do a podcast.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

There we go.

[Lala Kent]

Can I say now, I think he hatfishes people.

[Heather McDonald]

Hatfish. I love that expression.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, we've been talking about this a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

Meaning you have a hat on, and it's the cutest face ever.

[Amber Childers]

How about look at his face?

[Lala Kent]

He's gorgeous. Yeah, he's gorgeous.

[Amber Childers]

But let's take off the hat.

[Lala Kent]

I've looked him up a few times, and every image has a hat.

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[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

You know what I love about Lala? So I was on Raya. I deleted it again. I haven't told.

[Lala Kent]

I just told you.

[Amber Childers]

So I go, I have the same with the dating apps. I'll go on it. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go out there. I'm gonna put myself out there. And then I, like, retreat. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Lala Kent]

Then you see what's out there, and you go, so.

[Amber Childers]

But I'm also still.

[Heather McDonald]

Is that your riot alert?

[Lala Kent]

I'm not on Ryan.

[Amber Childers]

I'm still a little green.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

And so I'm like, hey, what do you think of this guy? She's like, amber. Every freaking picture, there's a hat. And I'm like, oh, what does that mean? But he's so cute. She's like, he has no hair.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm like, or sometimes it's that they have hair, but something about the head shape just completely changes when the hat's gone 100.

[Lala Kent]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And it's like, it, like, almost like it kind of evens out their face or whatever, you know? Yeah. It's something to be concerned about. It's nothing.

[Lala Kent]

There's a lot to be concerned about.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Lala Kent]

So like right off, she never made out with anybody. She.

[Heather McDonald]

From what I saw, she. It was like, no, like I'm dancing. But then someone said they were holding hands and this and that and I mean, again, one of the reasons I believed your ex for a minute is I'm like, when you're like a star and people are following them, it's weird. Like I went to a thing and you know, like a fun little party on Saturday for stage. It wasn't anything super big, you know, some gifting, some notes, other anyone could go and like buy a drink. I got a band, I got a free, you know, burnt end barbecue. You know, it's pretty good. Some free Mac and cheese. It wasn't anything. And I see that someone there took a photo of my girlfriend and I just at around cocktail table just eating our food in the day and like put it on a, on a site of like look at this fucking loser. And I'm like, jesus, I'm literally just eating.

[Amber Childers]

Can I find macaroni and cheese?

[Lala Kent]

I've got like the world is brutal. I'm telling you.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, sorry that I'm going to something and I'M having lunch with a girl that I met first day of college. I don't know, but I'm saying, if it's happening to me, I was like, clearly, you know, some young person that probably wants to fuck him is obsessed with them. Saw her there, and she's there too.

[Lala Kent]

And then is like, she's very pretty.

[Heather McDonald]

DMing and being like, you know, I just so you know, she's dancing with some guy. Even if she was dancing with some guy or whatever. Like, what do you. Who cares?

[Lala Kent]

Like, look at the way he talks to her.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

Like, if that's how he's. That's not like the first time that he's communicated with her like that she's

[Heather McDonald]

been walking on eggshells and probably loves him because he is so cute. And he probably is like, you know the type of. You know, when they, like, because of that truck stuff. You know how those, like, there's like, videos where it's like, you know what. What did your. You know, what happened? All right, let me get my shotgun. And you're like, not that you're like, for that, but you're like, I'll be watching some tick tock videos and it'll be like some girl, like, when your man knows what to do. And then it's like, shows the truck, like, leave the house. And she's. And everyone's like, that's a real man. Like, I get why it's kind of hot until you're on the receiving end and it's like 5am and you're washing your face and it's like. And you're like, I'm home at the influencer house, wiping the sand out of my hair. I don't have a dick in my mouth. Like, what is wrong with you?

[Amber Childers]

People are so unhinged. People are so. We are. We, like. And not to go, like, really negative, but people are so sick. And it's like, like emotionally sick, spiritually sick.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

And it's this. It's this world that we've all become obsessed about and with. And people are. Well, people don't care. They will go to any length to destroy a life if that means that they get another, like, on Instagram or. Or 10, 000 more followers.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, right? Or break up somebody or whatever.

[Amber Childers]

There's no. No boundaries.

[Heather McDonald]

But I think that she should thank whoever sent the dm. You know, it's just like, thank you. I mean, you. You know, I'm sure there was a point where you were like, thank you, Lala. Like, thank you, Lala. I might have still stayed with this definitely happened person. Like, lots of times people say, I do thank the other woman, or if it does end up okay, and the. And the second wife or the stepmom stays with them forever. There's so many times that women come together because, you know, it's like, well, I'll just do the exchanges, you know, with the stepmom.

[Amber Childers]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, like.

[Lala Kent]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, let's just take him out of it, you know, whatever. And sometimes it. And it can sometimes work out great for the rest of their lives. And families are together, and the two moms are planning the wedding together. You know, like, it can all happen.

[Amber Childers]

It can if there's normal people involved.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

When you have.

[Amber Childers]

You have, like, crazy people involved, it does it. There's no. There's. There's no chance.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

And there was that point where I. I'll never forget when she called me and she made an amends, and I was like, thank you for, you know, taking the time to, like, make the amends. But I would have not. I. I wouldn't have been alive. I was so sick. I was so sick in my addiction, my codependency.

[Heather McDonald]

What was your addiction?

[Amber Childers]

For me, I loved. Well, loved everything but cocaine. I've never done cocaine before, but I loved Xanax, muscle relaxers, you know, wine. I was a big. I loved my want, like, anything to not feel.

[Heather McDonald]

So you're sober, too?

[Amber Childers]

I'm sober, and I. I just. I was slowly killing myself emotionally, spiritually, physically. And I. I would not have been able to get out of the marriage. I didn't know how. Like, I had been married for eight years. I did not know how to leave the marriage. It just. I couldn't take that leap of faith. I was. I had so much fear and anxiety, so if it wasn't for. For her and the situation that happened, I would have never left.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Well, speaking of new love. So your castmate Michelle from the Valley, everybody's talking about that. She is holding hands on a date with Dr. Dre. Can you speak on this at all? Did you know about this? Do you. Are you shipping this, as the kids say?

[Lala Kent]

I know nothing.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I have a friend named Paige Davis, and she's very funny, and she was saying I was trying to be set up with Dr. Dre, and I think I. I think I know the. The mutual friend, and she's, like, so good for her. She was being funny. She's like, I'm kind of. I'm really jealous that it wasn't me But I think it's kind of fun. I think it's cute Lala's being so good. Why not? Who cares? I mean, he's a lot older, but he's just, you know, he's a obviously different life. Everything again, it could be.

[Lala Kent]

Can just be fun.

[Amber Childers]

It's Dr. Dre.

[Heather McDonald]

It's Dr. Dre.

[Amber Childers]

It's Dr. Dre.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it could be a real fun time.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So good for her. Her daughter, by the way, is her doppelganger.

[Lala Kent]

They look so much alike.

[Heather McDonald]

They look so much alike. When I watch the Valley, Isabella's starting

[Lala Kent]

to look more and more like her as she gets older, I feel like for a moment, Jesse loved that Isabella was like a copy and paste of him, which I think when she was younger, they did look very similar. As she gets older, she's turning into her mama.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I thought it was cool. All right. Now, this is from Summer House. And Summer House. I. People have compared a little bit to the scandal in that there is a guy. I'm gonna educate Amber. So there's Summer House. These people live in a house all summer. There's this beautiful girl, Sierra, and she dated this guy West. You see it, like, a year or so ago. And it was kind of on and off. Didn't work out. But she seemed to sort of be

[Lala Kent]

pining for him and still, like, he reeled her in. Yeah, I think.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So he. Yeah, he'd kind of play with her emotions and bring her back and all this stuff. And meanwhile, she became best friends with Amanda. And Amanda was married to a guy named Kyle for, like, 10 years. And they would have. They were the fighting couple, you know. Have you ever been in a group where it's the fighting couple? Imagine. Also.

[Amber Childers]

I know exactly. I know that very well.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, all the friends are like, God, we're stuck in this house. You know, could you just be nicer to her? Could you just. Whatever the case is. And then he becomes a dj, which everyone is like, that's the kiss of death, whatever. But I'm also glad that he did it because they are getting divorced now. And it comes out that Amanda and West are. Have been fucking. And no one really knows the truth of when it began. But in watching the show, Sierra was that constant friend, boosting Amanda up, being like, you know, you deserve better than this marriage you're in. And, you know, really kind of depleting, sucking the air out of the room, as, you know, the woe. Woe is me wife, Amanda, when, you know, he was playing it and I had this, I talked about on my show, and I'm like, I just want to know what. Who is. Is there a type of girl that kind of gets off on her friend's boyfriend, like, that proximity. Is there something. What makes you do it? And this girl wrote me and she goes, I was that girl. And she explained, like, she totally regrets it now, but she just said, I think like anything it is sort of like now. I don't know. This might be the first time Amanda has ever done this in her life, but someone that might do this a little in high school, a little in college, I don't know that girl. But like, what is it that you can be such a good friend to somebody? And. And oftentimes, like, we saw Rachel even like, ask Ariana, you know, how's things going with you and Tom? And I've heard other people saying that where like a temperature in the mom world. They're like confessing to their friend that like, like their marriage is bad and the whole time the friend is screwing the husband and the friend is like, how's things going?

[Amber Childers]

Well, that's not a friend.

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's not.

[Amber Childers]

She's like showing up as a friend, but the intentions are really sick and demented and it's not okay. It, like, it literally makes me sick too.

[Lala Kent]

It's just.

[Amber Childers]

It's like that make that brought me back. You sharing that story and explaining that to me brought me back to when I couldn't trust women, like, at all. Like, I'm like you. I lost trust in both male and female. But like, as women, we are supposed to have each other's back. And yes, we all make mistakes, but like, but. But those kind of mistakes, you're. You're not well.

[Lala Kent]

You're.

[Amber Childers]

That's a very sick person.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, but what if they work out? Amanda and Wes?

[Heather McDonald]

I. I don't know. That's kind of the only way it could work is if they did work out. But I don't think it will. I think he wants out and he now he doesn't know what to do. And so then they had this audio leak from when they filmed the reunion. And people. The first thought was people thought, did he leak it to like, get himself fired or something? Turns out now they're saying no, it was someone on production. I immediately, from the beginning thought no production did it to keep us talking. And it was juicy to hear them all fighting, accusing each other of stuff, but it wasn't anything that we wouldn't have expected. So I didn't think it was like a bombshell moment where, say, someone yelled, fine. We started June 4th. Like, it was nothing like that. It was just them arguing with each other.

[Amber Childers]

So is there a second season of this that's with the same cast?

[Heather McDonald]

This is.

[Lala Kent]

This is going on right now.

[Heather McDonald]

They just did the reunion, so we'll see this in, like, a few more weeks. And right now they're together. Right now Amanda and. And west are together, but they said they're both quitting the show or something. I don't know. You know, that's true.

[Amber Childers]

But I have a question.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

When you were with the person and everything was going on in the media, did you ever feel, like, the pressure, like, I have to make this work because you.

[Heather McDonald]

Because it did start from an affair.

[Lala Kent]

Right.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I mean? Like, the extra pressure of, like, saving face because the public, you know, it was sort of not a good thing the way it started.

[Lala Kent]

No, I never felt that pressure of.

[Heather McDonald]

That's a good question.

[Lala Kent]

To work. Not at all.

[Amber Childers]

That's interesting because I feel like a lot of people like this. I'm sure they're really feeling the. The pressure of, like, wow, I. We just kind of made this.

[Heather McDonald]

We blew up our lives.

[Lala Kent]

We blew up our lives.

[Amber Childers]

Now this has to work.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

No, but the. The pressure of my cast, you know, constantly having that as, like, a topic of conversation. I broke. I ran away from home. I was threatened that there could be legal action taken if I did not return. I fell off the grid. I packed my dog up, I drove 10 hours to Utah, and no one could get a hold of me.

[Heather McDonald]

This was when. Right.

[Lala Kent]

This was season. Season 5.

[Heather McDonald]

While you were seeing.

[Lala Kent]

While I was seeing him and we

[Heather McDonald]

didn't know who he was.

[Lala Kent]

Right. Because. And I had hounded about, like, this doesn't make sense. Why is there. Why does it take so long to get divorced? Why are people saying that you're still married? Like, why is. You know, why is my cast member saying that they saw the two of you, you know, in photos? Like, I was just. I was. My gut was speaking to me, putting the pieces together to where I. I cracked under pressure. Production was banging on my apartment door. I was supposed to leave to go on. I think it was one of the cast members birthday trips where they had rented an rv and I was like, I'm not fucking putting myself in that situation to be hounded about this again. I let them bang on the door. Once they left, I grabbed my dog and I left for Utah. And then they got in touch with my mom and Said, you know, there may be legal action taken if she doesn't. She's contractually obligated to go back to vanderpump rules. Yeah. At least to sign off and tell us she's out.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

Like, we need her story to be wrapped up if this is what she's choosing to do.

[Heather McDonald]

Interesting. Yeah, I remember that then when you came back to the show, and I

[Lala Kent]

remember he wanted me to leave the show, and I considered it for half a second before I was like, I. This could tee me up for a future. Like, I'm certainly not going to give something up for anybody.

[Heather McDonald]

And that's such a good thing that women need to remember, like, when someone's like, what? I've got you. You don't need to do this dumb thing. But you have to think, but if this doesn't last forever, if it doesn't, you know, like that. Yeah, now I've given up medical school or whatever you're doing, or your, you know, college or your business or.

[Lala Kent]

Lady Gaga said it in one of her acceptance speeches. She said, for all of my women out there who are trying to do choose between a man and their career, just remember, your career will never wake up in the middle of the night and tell you it doesn't love you anymore. And then she just walked off stage.

[Amber Childers]

Oh, so good.

[Heather McDonald]

That is so good.

[Amber Childers]

So good. Wow.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, I needed to hear that.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Really. Speaking of, you know, shutting it down and going off to Utah with the dog.

[Amber Childers]

Such a good Taylor.

[Heather McDonald]

Frankie Paul has now, I. I don't know, in the world of tick tock or Instagram, deleting your stuff where you have, you know, 8 million followers. Whatever. I would think if you do want to come back at your level, someone could get a hold of.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, no, you definitely. Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's, like, back, but back in the day, like, for a regular person, deleting your Instagram, I remember Charlie Sheen did it. He was starting Twitter.

[Lala Kent]

Scratch.

[Heather McDonald]

He was on Twitter. He had like 800, 000 followers, which was a lot or something crazy. And then he just, like, deleted it. And I was talking to somebody that, like, it was his representation or something, and they were freaking out because it was like, no, you're not getting those people back. And that's when he was like, tiger blood tweets and all that. And so anytime she wants to come back, she can. And they said Mormon Wives is going to start filming again in Utah as well as the new cast in the OC But. And then she. They don't know when she's gonna come back. But she, you know, is welcome to come back. I was thinking, you know, I wonder if. Yeah, you said liberating.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. I was thinking. I'm like, you know, we gotta just think about her right now, you know, in her age, she's been raised on this stuff probably since she was like, younger than 10. She probably was able to go on things and do videos or whatever. She's been making her money and being a celebrity since 2020. And in. In. And then exasperating it with the reality show and the Bravo. And then of course, her. Her problems with her ex and her custody issues. I'm like, could she, you know, just live a normal life for like a year or two? Could she actually not post? Just be a mom and. And just go to yoga, go cook something, whatever. Have enough money to, like, live off of. Work out your situation with your ex. Like, can someone like that be okay not being famous, not reading the comments, not seeing that their video got 2 million views.

[Lala Kent]

I think it becomes like a drug.

[Heather McDonald]

It does. I think fame is an addiction.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I think social media is a huge element of that. So there's like a social media fame addiction where you just get off on, you know, not just looking at it, but posting, seeing what people are saying and doing.

[Lala Kent]

I don't have that. I have many other addictions, we've come to find out, but social media is not one of them. I deleted Instagram off of my phone, I want to say, like a week and a half ago. And I have had no problem. Like, people will send me things where I have to, like, open Instagram, and I'm like, I can't see it because I don't have Instagram right now.

[Heather McDonald]

So when you remove Raya or Instagram, like, from your phone, that's just like a discipline. It's like throwing away.

[Lala Kent]

Because I will mindlessly just go on my phone and click on it, and it's. It's like autopilot, because you just are conditioned to do that. So when I get on my phone and I don't have anywhere to go, it's like, oh, I don't need this.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, but then, you know, yes, you can still go. You didn't lose it. You're just doing it.

[Amber Childers]

No.

[Heather McDonald]

Like a disciplinary.

[Amber Childers]

Exactly.

[Lala Kent]

It's like, there's nothing on here for me right now. And social media makes me feel extremely vulnerable and exposed.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

And that's kind of a difficult place because obviously my livelihood and, like, how I've positioned myself is Based off of, like, things like that.

[Heather McDonald]

Right. It's like you only have a choice of, like. That's what I'm saying. Like, what is she gonna do? Like, she doesn't. You know, it'll be. I think she. I think it's good for her, and if she steps back into the world, maybe she'll have some parameters to it, you know? But, like, she wasn't. Like, even when all the Was going down, she still was doing videos with her, you know, shaking her ass and being like, I don't care. And, like, for a little bit. And I was like, wow. I would have thought you would have shut it down for a minute. And so it's interesting now, weeks later, that the shutdown happened where, you know, she really.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, it's a dopamine hit, you know? Yeah, everything's a dopamine hit, whether you're filming the video or you're.

[Lala Kent]

You're.

[Amber Childers]

You're swiping. It's like she. I'm sure, like, got advised by the people that she's getting counseling from or in therapy for. Like, you have to completely remove. It's like having an ex boyfriend's number still on your phone. Like, why is he still in your contact? Just, like, you have to block and delete. That is how you stop getting those dopamine hits. Even just scrolling. Is it still there? It's like the science behind it is so real, and it's frightening. And I'm. I'm. I think she made a really good decision, because why re. Even if she gets to a place where she feels healthy enough to have that, you know, on her phone and. And have her account again, she doesn't. She needs to start fresh. She needs to have new. New memories. Like, why. You know, it's. It's like tearing the band aid off or tearing the scab off. Like, why reopen that?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And so they. They're doing the OC Version, and. And Bobby, who. I. I'm not gonna say her name wrong, but Bobby, who is really became a huge Internet star. She's divorced. She has three kids, she's from Laguna beach, and she has that really kind of funny way of speaking kind of cadence. She did admit later on that it was like an act. It was like a character.

[Lala Kent]

Well, I'm impressed by it. That's great.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah. And.

[Heather McDonald]

But so then I was like, only shouldn't have done that. Like, you should have just kept with your, like, weird, quirky, quirkiness.

[Lala Kent]

But, like, she's so pretty.

[Heather McDonald]

I do think it will Be fun to actually get to see her in this show. I think it's a great idea that they did the oc.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, I'm excited about it.

[Amber Childers]

I think there's a lot of murmurs

[Heather McDonald]

in the OC and then.

[Amber Childers]

And then.

[Lala Kent]

Wait, did any murmurs? Is that what you call them? Yeah, a merman.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, oh, oh, merman. Oh, yeah.

[Amber Childers]

By the way, now it's lds.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, they don't like to be called Mormons.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, I don't.

[Amber Childers]

I think they took the. The term Mormon out, and it's lds. Is Latter Day Saints. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

Should be the Secret Lives of LDS wives.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, I like the ring to that, actually.

[Heather McDonald]

I know that's shorter. Yeah. Speaking of which, have you heard of this, like, weird thing people are doing where they, like, do, like, a jaw crack?

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, we want to do it. I remember, and I. She sent me this video, and, like, I just. Even watching Ryan cry made me want to cry because I like the relief that she felt after he, like, went in there and was like. And she just starts sobbing because of how much pressure.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. There's some weird things that they put on gloves. And she did a video. Leanne Rimes, who is married to Eddie Cibrian, who. They were in the news a lot, like, 15 years ago because he was married to Brandi Glanville, a Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And then it was, like, found out that they were, like, seen, like, going to a hotel, and they had done a movie together, and. But they ended up getting married, and it was really, really ugly between Leanne and Brandy. Brandy would, you know, talk shit and everything. But now in, like, the last. I want, I don't know, eight, 10 years, they do Thanksgiving together. They invite Brandy to everything, and then she just. Just set. They just celebrated, like, their Whatever, anniversary. 12 years. But I do think this is. This stuff is weird, though. Like, I mean, why not, I guess, have someone stick their finger on the side of your jaw and, like, what, Release your trauma?

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, that's what.

[Lala Kent]

That's what.

[Amber Childers]

I know.

[Lala Kent]

That's what.

[Amber Childers]

I guess he's. I'll do it to you.

[Lala Kent]

I'll get a glove and go for it.

[Amber Childers]

I'm gonna have to chop a nail off, though, because this thing will stab you.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. But maybe the pain will take away from my heartbreak.

[Heather McDonald]

I just love looking. I'd like. I'm just into, like, back cracking. Oh, this did not turn me on as much as a back cracking video.

[Lala Kent]

Well, they needed to put the microphone closer to her face.

[Amber Childers]

Whatever happened, it really. And then you See it?

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know if you could hear it. Like a back crack.

[Amber Childers]

No. Then you like following these videos that came out. You see her on stage singing and like, now what she. I'm just like, it. Something happened to her artistically and I don't know, the sound, it unleashed this. This trauma. And you see the guys do it. Have you watched the videos of some of the men doing it and they're weeping like little.

[Heather McDonald]

Really?

[Amber Childers]

Yeah, yeah. I would go, I think this guy lives in Florida.

[Heather McDonald]

Remember when everybody was doing cupping? What happened with that?

[Lala Kent]

There's. I saw a few basketball players that are playing in the NBA, right? In the playoffs, that have cupping on, like, their shoulders.

[Heather McDonald]

I know, I hate that. That. Let's. That's like a look, though. It looks awful.

[Amber Childers]

You know what was.

[Lala Kent]

What I did see that? You and I watched that. Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

The foot's the big together. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

What do you mean, the foot?

[Amber Childers]

You just cup in the foot.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. Like, they do like the heat around it and then they cup and like pull and then they suction them to like the heel, middle of the foot, ball of the foot. But remember when it was like, have

[Heather McDonald]

those big things under your. On your feet for like.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, no, no, no. Oh, those are big. Cupping.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Because, like, I mean, it's so weird when you go to like a party and you see someone like a strapless dress, they don't remember.

[Lala Kent]

It was like almost like an accessory. Those markings.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

For actresses on the red carpet, everyone had that.

[Heather McDonald]

That's what I'm saying.

[Lala Kent]

And they would do like the bag.

[Amber Childers]

That's what I'm saying.

[Heather McDonald]

These things feel like in a. In like, you know, a trend. And you're like, oh, is that still a thing?

[Amber Childers]

I love all that, though. I. I'll try anything.

[Lala Kent]

I'll try anything too. I'll wear a sweatshirt after.

[Heather McDonald]

Remember what people used to do going in? Do you ever do that anymore? Does anyone do the thing where you like go and just like sweat off a few pounds?

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

I feel like that kind of went away, like. Yeah. And you have to.

[Lala Kent]

I used to do that. It revives you. Yes.

[Amber Childers]

We need a sauna. We should put a sauna in the, in the backyard.

[Lala Kent]

Okay.

[Amber Childers]

I think.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Everyone says you, you know, a red light sauna. So then you could just go.

[Lala Kent]

They have their whole body quads now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. They have them at Costco.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah. I think Costco sells them for like 1200 bucks. Like a two person sauna.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. You know, Costco had caviar the other day.

[Amber Childers]

I heard I heard it went like, sold out.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, it's pretty cute. It comes in like a Tiffany's blue box.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, cute.

[Amber Childers]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

But you know, I feel like when. If something gets mass produced, produced and is at Costco, it's like, I know, okay, caviar, you know, caviar is like now like the truffle of like 2018.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, that makes me sad.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what I mean? When everyone was like, oh, truffle. You get all excited and then now it's like, Carl's junior Has a truffle burger. And you're like, okay,

[Amber Childers]

kids, get in the car. We're having a fancy dinner tonight.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. So kind of like, you know, everyone has their own caviar line. Everyone's a dj. Or did you see that pretty mess as a dj?

[Lala Kent]

I did see that. She's going to DJ Bose's wedding, remember?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. But I think it's like, I love that that Erica was. He's like, how do you like being a dj, Erica Jane? You know, and she's like, I love it. Show up, play other people's music, get out. It's quick, easy money. I'm like, thank you for being so fucking honest. She's the best. Yeah. Of course it's easier than you doing a 90 minute show with 10 gay guys and like, and singing and all that. If you could just go, it's the best. Hold your ear and be like, 1, 2, 3, 4. You know, like, God, I always said my dream was just to go be. Remember when, like Kim Kardashian, everything was always like in Vegas, just getting paid to like, do an appearance.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I was like, oh, do you think I could ever just get to that level of just getting paid to show up? That's it. Don't have to talk to anybody.

[Amber Childers]

That's the dream.

[Heather McDonald]

Don't have to. Don't have to play the record.

[Lala Kent]

I remember.

[Heather McDonald]

Don't have to sing, don't have to do stand up.

[Lala Kent]

But like, what would I appear to do now? Like, yeah, and we're also gonna get you bottle service.

[Amber Childers]

Like, all right, a nice bottle of

[Lala Kent]

Perrier, you know, but so you would

[Heather McDonald]

do that, you do the nightclub thing

[Lala Kent]

back in the day when I first started on Bravo. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And what would that pay?

[Lala Kent]

Oh, God, I couldn't even tell you. Maybe 10,000.

[Heather McDonald]

So you. They'd hook you up the whole weekend, see what I would.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, they pay for your room and, like your food and whatnot. And then you'd go to the club and you could bring like your friends if you wanted, they had to pay for their own flights, whatever. And then it was like unlimited drinking. And then here's your check.

[Heather McDonald]

You know what really turns me on is what I like what makes me envious is like when I see, you know, all the influencers that everything that are like, oh, we're doing this. I'm like, okay, so how does this work? Like someone just does organize the whole thing. Here's your flight. Miguel is going to pick you up from the airport. You're gonna go over here. Here's your itinerary. Be ready at 4. The car is going to pick you up. We're going to take you, drop you off right at the place. Here's your VIP tickets or artist pass. And like you don't have to think about anything.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, that's the life.

[Heather McDonald]

God, I. That's what I just like someone's like, you know, you can just hire a travel agent. I go, I guess I could. I don't know, it just seems so nice if someone else was just like doing it for you.

[Amber Childers]

You know what I like feel? I feel this way about making. When I see my friends that are making a lot of money doing shop my or like all these brands and just selling clothes, I'm like, they make it look so easy. And I was like, you know what, maybe I'll do that as like I have like an hour a day just dedicate doing that, doing my style or my makeup, whatever I want and then I go to do. I'm like, this is hard.

[Heather McDonald]

No, it's so hard.

[Amber Childers]

Why is it hard?

[Heather McDonald]

Well, just everything, you know, like that's what. Why when people like on influencers, like, like the joy that people had that like there was a windy day at stage coach and like, you know, because it's like good now those now like what, what is wrong with you? Like it was wind for 45 minutes and it was okay, but it did up some people's trip. Why would you be happy? Just cuz you're squatting in the basement like baby reindeer stalker. Like who cares? Why are you such a mean about it?

[Lala Kent]

I know people are so cold, but I did, I had like a moment of doing socials, like influencer, influencer style socials. It was the hardest thing I'd ever

[Heather McDonald]

done because you kept like doing it wrong and you're like, hey, no, it got. You didn't do the hashtag right?

[Lala Kent]

No, like the original setup was like I brought on a social media guy, he would send me what I needed to capture and he came and by the way, he's freaking fantastic. I just am not into social media like that. Like, I dreaded the days when he was like, hey, we're gonna get content this week. I would literally, I'm like, this is worse than getting my nails done. Like, I do not enjoy this. I was a zombie. I like suddenly needed a nap at just the thought of it. So he comes over though, to like teach me how I'm gonna do things. And here's the app that we're gonna use. Once you've downloaded this app, this is where you upload your videos. I go, here's the deal. I want you to let me know how much I can pay you to do all of this. Where you come, you set up the lighting. I just like am the talking head. And then you edit the videos. It's a lot of fucking work.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

And then I felt way too exposed. I'm like, why do I have a video every single day going up on my feed? Like now I'm feeling very out there.

[Heather McDonald]

There was a video I saw recently where it's like a little boy, he's like like you know, 8 or something. And the mom is on the couch. And it's one of those videos, you know, short clips of like, you know, where someone just shows you their day, making their coffee, making their bed, whatever, but you end up watching the whole thing. And so, but it was, the kid was like, you know, took the baby, strapped the baby, cleaned up the kitchen, put a blanket over the mother and everyone's like, that's a great man. I'm like, you made him do this. Somebody is filming this thing. You're pretending to be asleep on the couch. Yeah. Why are you like, like why are you making your son a trad wife?

[Lala Kent]

Creating a viral moment.

[Amber Childers]

Right?

[Heather McDonald]

Exactly.

[Amber Childers]

Yes.

[Lala Kent]

It's all fake.

[Heather McDonald]

But I'm always, I always love to go to the common and have one person finally write that like, okay, but like you had him do all this. Someone had to film it. Someone had to move the camera, eight different spots.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Then edit it all together. You know, if you didn't do that, you probably wouldn't be sleep deprived and made your 8 year old breastfeed your child. You probably could do it yourself.

[Lala Kent]

I know, but people, it's interesting how many people still don't understand the production behind certain things. Like the amount of messages that I got being like, you should have Britney leave Brandon. I'm like, this is not live television.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Are they still dating?

[Lala Kent]

No, but like people think they are watching live television. And we, we power on film, whatever's. And there's no, like, production behind things.

[Amber Childers]

Right.

[Lala Kent]

So it is interesting, like when you see those, those moments that, like, make you sad. Right? It's like, oh, in like a good way. Like, oh, the guy coming home from, like, wherever he's been in the dog running up and it's like, right, a viral moment. This is to make you feel something. That dog could be a actor. We don't know.

[Heather McDonald]

No, but he knows so many of those pet ones are now AI. It's a real.

[Amber Childers]

I know, I know.

[Lala Kent]

I've been, you want to know. Feeding into AI is the older generation.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah, they. They love it. They're like, did you see the deer that brought over its baby and brought a cake and thanked the person that helped them get out of the net? You know, like, you're like, wait. And I. Yeah, you guys.

[Lala Kent]

During the wildfire.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

Devastating. My mom goes, look at these firefighters. And they're going into flames, carrying out like, like baby reindeers or fonts. And I'm like, mom, that is not real. That's who they're targeting.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Amber Childers]

Lisa.

[Lala Kent]

The Lisa's of the world. She believed it. I'm like, no, it's not real. Doesn't even look real. Anyway, moving on.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, I love that you guys talk on your show and it's a great, great name for a podcast and unlikely affair being your history and your friendship. How did you come up with the name?

[Lala Kent]

Oh, my gosh.

[Amber Childers]

Well, I think we're on a massive thread with a bunch of different people at iHeart and ourselves, and we were just like, let's just rip it and let's see what comes up. And then somehow that name came in the mix and it was like, yeah,

[Lala Kent]

I think, well, you and I were wanting, like an affair to be brought into it and I definitely wanted un. To be part of it because it's untraditionally lala. I wanted to, like, stick with that. And it was. It's just such a perfect name.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, it is.

[Amber Childers]

When you know, when you, you know, when, you know. That's what I was trying to say.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. The moment.

[Amber Childers]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And. And what. What made you decide to say goodbye to give them lala?

[Lala Kent]

I just felt like it was so juvenile and represented a part of my life that I was just like, no longer in. Like, it was created when I was with that person. And then even, like the beauty and the skin line was, like, connected to that person. The book I wrote where the dedication.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, by the way, it's Right behind I.

[Lala Kent]

By the way, I love the COVID I've never looked better. But the dedication page was like talking to him and I was like, I'm just. I don't want it anymore.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Lala Kent]

Like, I need a divorce from this.

[Heather McDonald]

I think it's great. I think it's great that you, you know, make that break. Well, I'm so glad you guys came. And it was really so interesting and juicy. See?

[Lala Kent]

Thank you for having us.

[Amber Childers]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you, everybody. Follow them. Check out the podcast Unlikely Affair and Untraditionally Lala. And of course the Valley is on every Tuesday night.

[Lala Kent]

Are we on Tuesdays or Wednesdays? I think we're on Wednesdays.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, really?

[Lala Kent]

Yeah. Oh, you probably get it on Tuesdays though.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I don't. I mean, listen, I don't understand how TV works anymore, so I basically, I have to watch it the next day on Peacock. Peacock I can understand.

[Lala Kent]

Yeah, because it literally tells you new episode Thursday.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, maybe. Okay, maybe. Yeah. Well, I'm caught up in it, but I don't know what days these things are on. And Rhode island is all about the cheating, so.

[Lala Kent]

Oh, it's so good.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Amber Childers]

I'm gonna have to start watching it.

[Heather McDonald]

Everybody go to heathermcdonald.net for me and Patreon. Thank you so much. Bye.

[Lala Kent]

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