Marciano of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Tells All!

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Marciano of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Tells All!

Date: November 25, 2025
Guest: Marciano Brunette
Main Focus: Behind-the-scenes revelations and drama from Hulu’s “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” and Marciano’s role in the much-discussed love triangle and scandal.

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Episode Overview

Heather McDonald welcomes Marciano Brunette—known for his reality TV turns on “The Villa” and more recently as a focal point in the latest season of “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.” The episode uncovers the real story behind his entanglements with cast members Demi and Jesse, how reality TV production shapes the narrative, and what really happened with allegations, hookups, and fallout behind the scenes.

Tone & Style

The episode is juicy, chatty, and candid—Heather keeps it irreverent, quick-witted, and unfiltered, while Marciano is forthcoming, at times apologetic, and eager to set the record straight.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Marciano’s Reality TV Beginnings

[15:09]–[17:29]

• Started in Las Vegas as a bartender/restaurant worker with his (now ex) girlfriend Hannah before joining “The Villa.”
• Lisa Vanderpump personally interviewed Marciano for “The Villa.”

“Lisa, like, when he referred me, she FaceTimed me like the next day. … We started that process for a few months.” –Marciano [15:48]

• Hannah, his ex, got him hooked on reality TV.
• The couple were picked for their real connection—producers “knew how good she would be for TV.” – Marciano [16:28]

2. Crossover with the Mormon Wives Cast at the Villa

[17:54]–[21:46]

• Crossover episode had the “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” cast vacationing at the Villa before their own show aired.
• Marciano and the others didn't know the Mormon cast’s notoriety or their TikTok “mom talk” swinging scandal.
• Heather explains the background—the viral TikTok “mom group” and the shock value of their swinging admissions fueling Hulu’s interest.

“It puts every other show to shame as far as, like, revealing yourself.” –Heather [21:46]

3. Mormon Wives: Behind the Stereotype

[18:38]–[22:46]

• Heather and Marciano discuss how the show subverts expectations about Mormon women—multiple marriages, divorce, cheating, swinging, drinking.
• Marciano attests that “some... they’re not. They’re very normal human beings and I think they’re all fantastic.” [22:20]

4. Marciano’s Relationship with Demi

[27:02]–[36:15]

• Flirty, touchy friendship develops at the Villa between Marciano and Demi (who was married).
• Both describe the connection as “very consensual.”
• Demi initiated much of the closeness, including talk of a “therapy session” and a heartfelt goodbye (ending in an “I love you” exchange).

“After we share a kiss…she says, ‘I love you’, where I then turn around and say I love you back.” – Marciano [33:40]

• Discussion turns to Demi’s later allegation of sexual misconduct:

“The accusations she’s making against me are 100% false.” –Marciano [28:50] “It is so important for women to be believed…but the only issue…is the fact that it’s false.” –Marciano [29:09]

5. After the Villa: Fallout and Accusations

[36:21]–[46:31]

• Marciano is fired from “The Villa” after a dispute with a co-worker (not related to Demi).
• Still, Demi reaches out—lengthy phone calls follow (49 min and 1h13min, [38:27]), with Demi expressing concern and, Marciano claims, trying to get ahead of rumors.
• Demi tells the other wives she was sexually assaulted—Marciano says this is an attempt to protect herself if production tied his firing to their flirtation.

“She tried to do that right away, and it ended up backfiring on her because… it wasn’t true, obviously.” –Marciano [40:00]

6. Jesse Enters the Picture: Love Triangle

[47:02]–[56:13]

• Jesse (another Mormon wife) invites Marciano to LA; Demi was supposed to come too but cancels.
• Marciano and Jesse connect—Jesse “ran and jumped into my arms…wrapped her legs around me.” [52:08]

“We felt, you know, comfortable enough, where we wanted to kiss each other. And we did. And then we went to bed.” –Marciano [54:23]

• Next day, Jesse underplays it to her husband, claims only a kiss happened.

• Heather clarifies the TV version: Jesse shows the girls sexy texts from Marciano, with questions on what “really” happened.

7. Production Manipulation & the ‘Sex’ Story

[56:15]–[66:44]

• Producers pushed Marciano to escalate the story on camera:

“They wanted me to say sex…and I was just like, all right, whatever. So I end up saying we have sex.” –Marciano [57:12]

• He later admits to lying about sex with Jesse to speed along production (“I just wanted to get the day done”), but says only kissing (no sex).
• Says Demi used the drama for contract leverage:

“She used it as leverage to get more money in her third contract season.” –Marciano [66:20]

• Marciano admits to being manipulated and caught in the lie, but is clear: “Don’t lie. Be honest…and that was what really hurt me.” [65:07]

8. Jesse’s Husband, Jordan: The Confrontation

[60:53]–[64:34]

• Las Vegas group trip: Marciano is with Jesse, her husband Jordan, and other family—he describes growing guilt as he bonds with Jordan, all while secretly texting Jesse.
• Jordan catches them by taking Jesse’s phone and calmly confronts Marciano.

“He just wanted to know the truth. And that’s where I tell him the truth…exactly what happened.” –Marciano [64:27]

9. Timing and Ongoing Communication

[67:53]–[69:37]

• Even after discovery, Marciano and Jesse continue talking via WhatsApp/Instagram to avoid Jordan’s detection; some flirtation, but also emotional support.
• Communication finally dies down early 2025, after which Marciano reappears on “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” Season 3.

10. Marciano on Reality TV, Fame, and His Future

[72:46]–[75:49]

• Enjoys opportunities from reality fame, focuses on DJing and entrepreneurial ventures.
• Cites Lisa Vanderpump as a mentor, admires reality stars who use TV as a launchpad (Kyle Cook, Hannah Berner).
• Hints he may be romantically involved with ex Hannah again (“I did not say that, but I did not say that either.” [76:39])
• Discusses challenges of authentic relationships in reality TV and the impact on his family.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mormon Wives’ image:

  “This show could not be more opposite. Like, multiple marriages by the time you’re 30. Divorced, cheating, talking about swinging…I mean, it’s crazy, but it’s a gem for a reality show producer, for sure.” –Heather [18:38]

• On the production’s role:

  “They wanted me to say sex…and I was just like, all right, whatever. So I end up saying we have sex.” –Marciano [57:12]

• On Demi’s motivation:

  “She used it as leverage to get more money in her third contract season.” –Marciano [66:20]

• Heather’s humor, on reality TV affairs:

  “Could you be Brother Husbands? Whoever think about a new reality show called Brother Husband, which is a spin off of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.” –Heather [62:19]

• On his family’s reaction:

  “My mother sees that and she’s so heartbroken where somebody, a woman like that, can make accusations about her son, where she now is questioning what I’m doing and defend me to either other family members or to the people she works with. And it just sucks.” –Marciano [79:19]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• Marciano’s reality TV entry and “The Villa”: [15:09–17:29]
• Intro to Mormon Wives cast & swinging scandal: [18:38–22:46]
• Developing relationship with Demi: [27:02–36:15]
• Fired from “Villa” & fallout with Demi (accusations): [36:21–46:31]
• Jesse comes into picture/LA meetup: [47:02–56:13]
• Production intervention/lying about sex: [56:15–66:44]
• Jesse’s husband discovers the affair: [60:53–64:34]
• Timeline and ongoing secret communication: [67:53–69:37]
• Marciano’s career plans, romance hints, family response: [72:46–79:19]

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Summary Takeaway

This Juicy Scoop episode delves into the blurred lines of reality TV relationships, highlighting how off-air reality can differ wildly from on-screen drama. It questions the ethics of production manipulation, the cost of chasing reality fame, and the tangled fallout for everyone involved. Marciano presents himself as both imperfect and honest, trying to rectify personal mistakes while illuminating the strange world of reality television for the audience.

For Listeners:

Expect tea, scandal, self-reflection, and revelations about the reality TV machine. If you're following “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,” this episode provides invaluable context on what really happened between the cast members—beyond what’s shown on Hulu.

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Transcript

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Heather McDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood tales For real life, Mr. Sigmund serial data and Serial Sister. You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast. Listen in. Listen up. Whoop whoop. Hannah McDon juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Woo. I've got such a juicy interview for you today. First we have to catch you up on what has happened since we had our last show. Well, on the flight back from Las Vegas to Georgia, Portia from Real Housewives of Atlanta was flying in first class and next thing we knew she was coming off the plane being escorted by by police or FBI. I'm not really sure. You know, with body cams and everything and people didn't know what happened. She came off calm, she wasn't in handcuffs. And since then TMZ has given us the body cam of Portia as well as the woman that she had the argument with. So they appear to be both that they were in first class. And and so the woman said Portia who she didn't know who she was was watching her Instagram, which was very loud, scrolling through it for about 30 minutes without her earphones. And the woman said, do I have to listen to this for the whole flight? And Portia then took offense to that and said, you could say something a little kind. You could say it to me kinder. If you don't like it, you could say something to me kinder. They both kind of say that. An argument ensued, and the other woman got out her phone to film to kind of protect herself, because she said at that moment, either they were in the air or about to. But the flight attendants could not assist in any way as the argument was being heard, because they were strapped in to take off or they were already in the air. It's important whether they were in the air or not, because then that is a federal issue or is it a state situation? So the woman says then she took out her phone to maybe film this argument. And that's when Portia pushed her phone away and the phone went down the aisle. And that is where, you know, that. I don't know if then they got. If they had to move places from each other. It's a long flight from Vegas to Georgia to Atlanta. But they both spoke to officers after coming out, so we'll see what happened. But it seems like, um, that woman says she didn't know who she was. So if she was coming for Bravo Con, she wasn't familiar with Real Housewives of Atlanta, so. But nobody was hurt, and no one was arrested. However, MIA of the Real Housewives of Potomac was arrested. She is no longer on this season. She did not appear at Bravo Con, and she was arrested. We also got body cam footage of her in a jail being, you know, taking her mugshot. By the way, the mug shot was very attractive because she is being accused of stealing $11,000 worth of furniture from a condo that she was renting. So I guess the condo came with furniture, and then she moved out and took all the furniture with her instead of leaving it there. And in the conversation she's having with officers, she's like, can I call this guy? He has the key to the storage facility where the furniture is. So hopefully, somehow she may have forgotten that she never purchased this furniture. Usually when you rent a furnished apart apartment, they don't say, do us a favor and take all of the furniture with you. So she's going to have to get out of that one. Also, this is sad news. Meghan King Edmonds, real Housewives of O.C. she was the detective that discovered that Brooks was faking cancer with Vicki, who has now just been honored with her orange to return to the 20th season. And she's a very smart girl and she lives in St. Louis because her ex husband, she was the fourth wife of her ex husband who was a famous baseball player. I forgot his name, but his name is Edmonds. What? Jim. Jim Edmonds. He's since married his fifth wife, she was the fourth and they have three kids together, a girl and twin boys. And it has been a very tumultuous post divorce life for them with custody and whatnot. And there was an incident a while back where his new wife claimed that she came over to the house unannounced to drop off a dress and that caused a temporary restraining order or something. And then the news came out that she has temporarily lost custody of her children. And there's different reports of why. I first thought it was just a result of the tumultuous, toxic relationship between the three of them parents, but now it appears that there might have been a something happened where one of her son is on a medication and the other twin received it by accident. And therefore a nurse at the school called cps and I'm guessing if it's something like that, this will be just that, a temporary thing. But I know her personally and she's a very dedicated mother and it's just very unfortunate when kids are little and parents and step parents and, you know, exes are not getting along. And then something like this can really be, you know, escalated. And so we'll see. We'll see. I don't know everything. We don't know who's in the wrong, but obviously everybody, children want both their parents if they are healthy people, Real house as a Potomac couple. This is just a crime situation with these Bravo people. But their, their bank accounts have been seized. This is Wendy, Professor Wendy and Happy Eddie, who are being accused and were arrested for lying about a robbery, saying that someone robbed them, took their jewels, took their clothes, took their handbags. In fact, those items were returned prior to the robbery in which they got the cash back. They lied and said other things were stolen and then they were seen wearing the rings while filming Potomac. They say it's all a big misunderstanding, but according to the reports, their bank accounts have been seized and secret emails and texts and apps are being exposed. So it's not looking good for them. But she was at Bravo Con and everyone was cheering her on and she seemed very confident and happy. Also Karen Huger, who just got out of prison for doing Six months for her fourth DUI when she drove herself into a tree, she got a standing ovation. So getting in trouble with the law is. Is just the best thing for to keep your employment at Bravo. So that's great. Shep Rose of Southern Charm got caught. Someone was filming him talking to other people at, like, a casino bar. And he said he was just very annoyed with Paige on Southern Charm. She was on Sumner House. She's no longer on the show. She's a very successful podcast with Hannah Burner, and she was dating Craig from Southern Charm for years. And he's telling the people, like, really, Paige? I mean, Sheb's going, she. She's made millions off the backs of Bravo. And then she breaks up with Craig on her podcast. And I'm like, are you seriously mad that this woman, who was not a cast member of Southern Charm, though I'm sure she was paid for her appearances. Well, didn't. Because she didn't, like, call up the cameras and give them the exclusive and. And. And break up with him on camera when instead they broke up privately. And then she shared her perspective on her own podcast. That is her right to do. And, like, he's literally bitter that, like, somehow they didn't get the action moment. And, like, he's bagging on her. He doesn't come off well. Mauricio, Kyle's husband, did a very embarrassing photo shoot for People magazine with women pulling his shirt off of him. And it is the most cringy thing. I thought the most cringy was him doing lip syncing tiktoks at his open houses. No, it's this photo shoot when they're not. He's like, he's single again. They haven't even filed. Kyle and he have not even filed yet. So we're just gonna let these people be single and legally stay married because no one wants to give up the house in La Quinta. I don't know. It's fine, but I think it's embarrassing for the kids. And personally, my eyes were assaulted when I was scrolling, and I might just have to mute people for a minute. Just remember that he will never emotionally fulfill you. Just know that, Kyle. Just know that. From our famous psychic here at the infamous dinners, Khloe Kardashian. This just broke my heart. She was answering questions, and it was about journaling. And she said, I always journaled since I was a teenager. I had all these journals. And while I was married to Lamar, he got paranoid. We know he struggled with drugs and alcohol. He found my journals Read some of them and got paranoid and she came home and he burned them all in a fire. Honestly, this is the worst story and I can't believe she took this long to share it. And I don't know that she ever would have shared it unless someone asked her and she was answering questions. I mean that is so incredibly valuable. Not only to yourself, to your memories. I wish I had journal like that. I wish I have these podcasts from the last 10 years if I ever wanna listen back and like reflect on my feelings and my Patreon. But the real journals of like how you felt at 16, 17, 18, when your dad was dying, that would have been such valuable property. Being a famous person to write a book, whatever. I'm like, this is worse than his cheating, his drug use, anything. Maybe he wasn't in his right mind. She's so giving. But I think this is probably the cruelest thing that you could do to someone in your life is to burn their work, their memories, pen to paper, their childhood. Disgusting. God, she's a good person. There is a horrible update with this young girl who was found dead on a cruise. So she was a senior in high school looking to go to college. A cheerleader, very cute. At first they didn't know where she was. Then they found her body under the bunk beds. So in a suite on the cruise. It was her dad, her stepmom and the stepbrother that was 16, that mom's son and then her younger full brother. The five of them were sharing a room, the boys were in a bunk bed and she had her own bed. And when the younger brother woke up, he didn't see her and he just figured she was out with the parents or whatever. When they all got to breakfast and she was not there, they panicked, didn't know where she was. They found her wrapped up in a sheet under one of the bunk beds and the 16 year old stepbrother is now a suspect. So sad, so terrible, so strange. Horrible for the family, horrible for her mother. Where's her mother? My God. So we'll be following that. Okay, now let's get into our very juicy interview. To remind you guys I'm going to be covering more stuff that I haven't over the holidays on Patreon. So you always want to be part of Patreon. You go to heathermcdonald.net this is all about Mormon wives, you guys. We are going to get into the secret lives of Mormon wives with the juiciest interview ever. Let's get into it. Let's Go. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I have a very juicy guest and you're going to want to listen to this one and get all the juicy details. I've got Marciano, brunette, who was the star of the Villa on Hulu, but is now the main talk in the storyline of the third season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, because two of the married. Well, they're all married except for one girl, but two of the married girls had some relations with you. And welcome to Juicy Scoop.

[A]

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

[B]

Thank you for. For reaching out to come on. Because some people may remember I had two of your co stars from the villa on about six months ago, Hannah and Hagan. And Hannah is your ex girlfriend.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And you guys were a couple living in Las Vegas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How many years were you together?

[A]

We've been on and off dating now for five years now, almost. Yeah, it's been a while.

[B]

So remind us, because I know she told us, but that was a long time ago. So you guys were bartenders, worked at a club. What was your role in Vegas?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So she used to work at clubs. I did too as well. But once Covid happened, we transitioned into the restaurant business and we started working at the same restaurant together.

[B]

And so then how did the Hulu Villa opportunity come up?

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. So I was asked by one of my other castmates on the show, Steven, who was close with Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah, Lisa Vanderpump. And Lisa, like, when he referred me, she FaceTimed me like the next day. And, you know, we started talking. She, I think liked me. And then we started that process for a few months. And then like two, like a week or two. Week. Two weeks before we started filming, they were looking for another girl. And at the time, me and my ex were not. We were not really talking. Like, we were not good.

[B]

But okay.

[A]

I. She's the one who got me into reality tv. She's.

[B]

You mean watching it, being a fan?

[A]

She's the one who got me like watching Vanderpump Rules and all the Housewives and stuff like that. So I was like, I knew how good she would be for tv. That I was like, even if we're not in a good spot, I definitely think you should be here.

[B]

So you weren't living together at the time?

[A]

We were not living together at the time. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna refer and let's just do it. Let's see if she, you know, and once I referred her. Yeah. Kind of just Took off from there. Lisa loved. Loved her.

[B]

Yeah. When I saw the cast and a little bit of it, I was like, oh, my God, this is the Jax and Stassi of the infantile years of Vanderpump rules. And it's a real relationship, and there's a real back and forth, and this is gonna be. This is gonna be good, you know, and then because, of course, Jax and Stassi, after they broke up, still worked together and all that stuff. So I could see why she was excited and why the producers would be excited about it, besides you guys being attractive and outgoing and all that. So you guys agreed to do the villa.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And they had shared that. You go to this Italian villa. It is not a cool, breezy month to be in the inland part of Italy. So the actual place, the villa that you're working in is quite sweaty.

[A]

Yeah, it's very, very hot. I mean, first season was in France. Second season, but it was in Italy.

[B]

Well, that's right.

[A]

So this was the second season.

[B]

So you did all of France.

[A]

All of France.

[B]

And then did the Italy. And so then an exciting thing. The crossovers are fun on Hulu as well. Bravo. A handful of the secret lives of Mormon wives come as vacationers at the villa.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And of those girls, there was Demi, Jesse. Who else was there?

[A]

Laila, Mikayla, and Jen.

[B]

The Jen Affleck. Okay, so you guys all go. And there's this flirting that we see watching the villa between you and Demi. And Demi is married to an older guy who was divorced. I think she was also divorced prior to marrying him.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Which the whole thing with the Mormonism thing is just I've talked about it because I'm like, I, as a Catholic, was kind of raised thinking the Mormons are way more, like, extreme. And, like, you're married till you die and you don't drink coffee and you don't drink alcohol, and, like, you know you're virgin when you get married. And, like, this show could not be more opposite. Like, multiple marriages by the time you're 30. Divorced, cheating, talking about, you know, swinging. I mean, it's crazy, but it's a gem for a reality show producer, for sure. What was your thoughts when they came in?

[A]

Well, here's the thing. Their show hadn't come out yet, so they were just normal people to us.

[B]

Oh, wait. So when they did that, not even season one had aired?

[A]

Season one had not aired yet.

[B]

Oh, that's so interesting.

[A]

Yeah. So not only did I not know what mom talk was or anything about the swinging Scandal. Nothing. I didn't know any of them. If you even, like, wanted to go look at their, like. Well, I remember because they had to post their trailer while they were there. Actually, their first trailer. Oh. So. And I remember, like, once we left getting all their Instagrams, and they had very minimal following. So, like, I had no idea. I had no idea. I think Hannah maybe told me that about Taylor, Frankie Paul, but that's it. And, like, the swinging scandal. And they made us kind of aware that there was a swinging scandal, but we had no. We had no idea what this was.

[B]

We just were told, I'm just gonna catch up the audience. So there are these girls, and they really took off during the height of TikTok, like a little Covid post. Covid, you know, and they would dance, and they were young, beautiful moms in Utah with long, flowing hair, and they had a following. And one day, Taylor, Frankie Paul, who's now currently filming the Bachelorette, she came clean and said, my husband and I, we have two kids. We swung with another couple, which then I think season two, they reveal the other girl, and we did soft swinging. But then season two, she's like, we had. All four of us had sex in the same bed, like, with their prospective husbands. But then another person, the other girl, her husband would have sex at the same bed. We came out, and there were other husbands there that took photos of us making out in short shorts. We took showers together. We, you know, it was beyond spin the bottle type of stuff. And so that is shocking. She gets divorced. She falls for another guy, Taylor. What's her name? Frankie. What's her first name?

[A]

Taylor, Frankie Paul.

[B]

Taylor is her first name. Taylor falls for another guy named Dakota, and they get pregnant and she has a baby with him. Currently, they are no longer together. Co parenting her third child, and she's doing the Bachelor. So that is really what I think sparked the interest of producers, because here were these beautiful girls that were being so honest about their life. Like, that's what you want.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is like. I mean, I think next. You know, I've watched a few episodes of this season which just premiered, and everyone's dying over it, but they talk about, you know, swinging, anal, cheating, like, crazy shit. There was a very open where there was another one where, like, the girl would, like, shove, like, a fruity cereal up for twat or something. There is a lot. There was a. There's a lot. Like, I cannot even, like, puts every other show to shame as far as, like, revealing yourself. So, okay, so I think that's what.

[A]

Makes it so crazy is the fact that they're Mormons. And then you hear all these crazy stories of like, and then nobody knows what Mormonism is. And then they're like, well, these people are just crazy in general. Like, what is it exactly? But to be, to be fair, they are very forward and honest about everything. But some of them, I'm going to say some they're not. They're very normal human beings and I think they're all fantastic. Just to be clear, they're very, very good people.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah. So we didn't know who they were like I said. And yeah, they're posting the trailer for the first time and basically we're just getting a feel for who they are as people before all of this comes out. And like we didn't know what to think, like whatsoever. We just for me as a, as a male, like I just saw very nice, attractive women that were very cool to hang out with. Honestly, they were very, very.

[B]

And none of them drank?

[A]

No. Layla and Jesse drank.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Layla and Jesse drank. The others did not.

[B]

So, so the, what we see at the time there, what they edited for us is that you and Demi, who was also married at the time, are having like a flirty talking moments where they like show the camera from like above and you guys are on the lounge chairs.

[A]

Yeah, I can get into that actually a little bit. So we, we just kind of like hit it off right away. We were, it was very consensual, just very like we were just easy just to talk to back and forth. And I could get into all of it, honestly. But I'll just. I'm just. I'm just gonna explain. Just this one. Just this one part was just the fact that we had hit off so well, and I think she just kept. I think she had heard enough from my ex and other people that, like, you know, I'm damaged or whatever. Like, I have this Persona about me. And she kept saying that she wanted to have a therapy session and, like, try and, like, change me or work. Work this out with me and, like, you know, try and basically, I don't know, get to know who I really was.

[B]

Why? Why. Why would someone say that you were damaged?

[A]

Well, I don't know if that was the word she was using or somebody else was, but she just felt like she wanted to be in the position to fix it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I was like, okay, like, obviously, I want to. Yeah, I was like, I want to talk to you anyway. Okay, fine. If that's what you want to do, then. Okay, like, let's do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was her idea to have that conversation. Not. Not saying I didn't want to. I'm just saying it was her idea and. Right. What. What's. What's so misleading is the fact that it's unfortunate to see everything that's going on now because everything that happened in there was so consensual. And.

[B]

And so what did happen there?

[A]

I mean, I'll just flat out say that the accusations she's making against me are 100% false.

[B]

Well, I need to. First, I need you to explain what the accusation is, and then why don't you tell us what happened? So what is she saying?

[A]

She's saying that I sexually assaulted her, groped her. I'm a sexual predator, all of those things.

[B]

Is she saying it just went to groping, or did she say it went further than that?

[A]

She's changed her words so many times, and I don't want to be disrespectful to her and the accusations, because I do want to preface that. It is so important, and it's so important for women to be believed when they say these things, but the only issue, obviously, is the fact that it's false, and I think that's why it's so problematic, and it's such a tricky subject to maneuver through and navigate. But this is my life, and it's very damaging, and it's something that I have.

[B]

And you have every right to defend yourself if it's not true.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know. Oh, you know, someone being like, oh, God, go away. You thirsty? It's like, I hate that because when people have said things that are not true about me. Yeah. It's your natural instinct to be like, but that's not me. That's not my character. And you have every right to say that, especially when it's at this level of public scrutiny, you know, And I think that's the.

[A]

That's the hardest part to deal with is the fact that I'm like, I'm. I'm very self aware, I'm not dumb, and I'm very, you know, outgoing and very easy to talk to. And the fact that if I knew that there was a problem or I felt like there I needed to back off, I would have done that, no problem. And I'm smart enough to know these things. I was raised right by a good family, but she was very, very open to everything.

[B]

So what did you guys do in Italy?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So we were very flirty right from the jump. Very touchy, very like, she. It was really on her behalf because I have to be so careful with those things because I am an alpha male of the show, let alone there's a thousand cameras everywhere. And I know I'm not gonna get away with things that a normal, another person on this show might get away with because they're watching me so hard. And I understand that always. So it was mainly her. And I think one of the scenes that, besides like, the touchy feely or sitting on the lap, all those things, like we play truth or dare on the first night, and I'm sitting next to her the whole time, and someone asked me to dare to kiss someone, and I politely lean over, ask her, do you mind if I kiss you on the cheek? She said, yeah, go for it. And she does talk about it on season three of Mormon Wives right now. And I kiss her on the cheek, and she was very okay with it. So that's just me asking politely, trying to initiate that I'm being respectful to you. I hope you know that, because I absolutely respect women, so. But it didn't stop there, obviously. And then we go on to, you know, end up having these conversations and whatnot. And then one thing led to another where when she was leaving, you know, we shared a kiss goodbye. And that's.

[B]

So the most you did in Italy was like a good kiss. Tongue.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

So it was just a kiss on the lips. Goodbye.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But then she leaves and then you guys continue communicating or not.

[A]

Yeah. So I actually want to backtrack just a little bit.

[B]

Okay, sure.

[A]

I just want to backtrack a little bit. And once again, some of the things that don't. Aren't shown. And two of them. Two of them. And I'm trying to remember. I'm like, 99.9 certain. Before we end up having that talk, she posts the trailer. Because we only get our phones for a small period of time. She. She was allowed to post a trailer. She had her phone. Before we have that conversation, she's like, I'm going to call my daughter and ask me, do you want to be there for that? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Because we had such a strong bond right away. It was her daughter's first day of school or something like that. And she was like, do you want to hear how I talk to my daughter? And I was like, yeah, absolutely.

[B]

So kind of interesting. Very interesting.

[A]

Like, I'm like, all right, yeah, yeah, I would love to, because she felt comfortable enough with me to do that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I listened to their entire conversation. And then we go and have our therapy session.

[B]

And then where it's just the two of you talking.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And then on the cute chaise lounges, by the way, I have those same ones. It's called business and pleasure.

[A]

Good to know.

[B]

It is so attractive. Anyway, go on. So you're sitting there.

[A]

Yeah. And then after that. So once she does leave, and. And this is very important is the fact that she does stay. Want to. Want to stay in touch. But after. After we share a kiss, and I'm walking away. And this is on camera, by the way, as I'm walking away, she says, I love you, where I then turn around and say, I love you back. And it was the craziest thing that I was just like. And that was the last. The last words that were said to each other before she left. The last words. And I'm like, all right. Then it went well. And I was very, like, emotional when she left.

[B]

In the therapy session, does. What does she reveal about her current marriage?

[A]

Oh, a lot. I mean, she. She. I mean, we talked for two to three hours, like, all on camera, where. I mean, she originally wanted to have the therapy session, I think, for me, but I think I might have. I might have.

[B]

You turned into the therapist.

[A]

Because I wanted to get to know her, and I was, like, talking a lot about myself, and I didn't mind doing that because, like, I'm not somebody that's very vulnerable. And I wanted to be vulnerable with her because I thought we had that connection in a way. And then I eventually got into asking her about her marriage, her first marriage, her divorce, having kids, and then, like, where you currently stand with your husband.

[B]

With a second husband who is a bit older than she.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And so. And I mean, what do you feel comfortable sharing that she said?

[A]

Like I said, I want to be respectful to her, and that's why it is a little tricky on certain things, I will say. But it's just. I think the. The main thing that I can say is that she. I think she has a right to question a lot of the things that she was telling me when it comes to her marriage and where it's going to go. I think I'll just leave it at that. She has a lot of questions that.

[B]

She still about the longevity of it. If this marriage is going to go to eternity, to the Mormon, whatever. Eternity forever. Which, you know, most people have those moments in their marriage, so you normally share it with a real therapist or a girlfriend and not a hot guy in an Italian villa. But you know what? Okay. Yeah, so. So she leaves.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

You have your little I love moment, and then I love you moment, and then what happens?

[A]

I was fired, like, a few days after. I think I want to say four or five days after that.

[B]

Why were you fired?

[A]

I just got into a disagreement with another castmate coworker that I. Once again, I say my presence is very known, and I was, I guess, intimidating the person where they didn't feel comfortable living in the same household, I guess, anymore. And. And, you know, they felt like it was best if I left. But.

[B]

And how did you feel about that? Did you feel like you got over, or were you like, fine, get me out of here. I'm just gonna go back to my Vegas life.

[A]

And no, no, I was very disappointed because it was more the fact that not only did I let myself down, I let Lisa down because I know how much, like, you know, she, you know, wanted to, but you don't think.

[B]

She had a say to be like, don't fire him. I mean, I feel like on Vanderpump Rules, there was, like, times where James was, like, fired numerous times, but she wanted to keep him on the show. Maybe he's not actually working at the restaurant, but she wants to keep him on the show. But maybe at the villa, in this infancy of the series, maybe they didn't have a way to keep you on the show if you weren't actually working at the villa.

[A]

No, and I understand. I think Lisa. I will never judge Lisa for The decisions she makes, and she has to make those decisions. And I'm okay with it. Whether I think it's wrong or right, I will always trust Lisa. And it was just unfortunate, but it's okay. Honestly, it worked out for the best. And, like, it really did work out.

[B]

So you go back to Vegas?

[A]

Go back. No, no, no. I mean. And you've seen this on social media. They show it on Secret Lives. Mormon wives. No, I'm still in Italy. I'm getting dinner with Hannah because we both got fired at the same time.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And Demi follows me and messages me because I posted that I was eating out in Italy and she knew I didn't have my phone. So when she saw that, she was like, what the hell happened?

[B]

You mean you can't have your phone when you're filming the show?

[A]

Correct, correct.

[B]

So, okay, so now she sees you're posting, so she's like, what happened? Okay.

[A]

Yeah. And then that's when she, you know, tries to figure out why I'm posting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm sure you can look up the messages where she is like, call me. And then she gives me her phone number and I call her for like. And we have two conversations. One for 49 minutes and the second conversation for an hour and 13 minutes. And I just remember one. Hannah was so mad because we had just gotten dinner and she's like, why the are you talking to this woman for two hours when we were like going through a bean firing.

[B]

But this time you and Hannah are still now just former boyfriend, girlfriend.

[A]

Just. But we're also trauma bonded from just being.

[B]

But at this time, platonic friends.

[A]

Correct. And we still care about each other and we're just fired together.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

And she's like, why are you talking to this woman for two hours? But the main thing was that I took from it. And in that conversation, she did actually try and say those accusations to me. She was like, you know, she was like, were you. She asked me, were you fired for, like, you know, touching me. I was like, what are you talking about? And then this is what makes me really upset, but also ends up backfiring on her is the fact that she didn't know why I was fired. And she panics and she's with all the girls still. So she tries to get ahead of what possibly could have happened, whatever, and tells all the girls that she was sexually assaulted. And she has talked about this where she was like, I told them all to stay silent. I don't want this coming out. Well, because it Wasn't true, obviously.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And she was just trying to protect herself, just in case. If I come out and talk about it or say something, whatever, or why. If it comes out on the show, why I was fired, whatever. And so she tried to do that right away, and it ended up backfiring on her because I told her I was like, what are you talking about? And I was like. And then I told her why I was fired and.

[B]

Which was with a totally different person. Had nothing to do with flirting with the mom talk people.

[A]

And it's because someone had just been fired. Aiden was. Was fired. I still don't even know why, but things were going on with him and Layla in there, and.

[B]

And Layla is another mom, another mormon wife.

[A]

They were, like, hooking up all the night before, and he was fired the next day. So she was like. She was like, did he get fired for doing something? Like, for doing something with me?

[B]

And then it would come out on.

[A]

The show, and it would come out on the show.

[B]

So she would rather get ahead of it and say it was unwanted advances.

[A]

Yeah. And the girls were. They were, like, trying to pressure her into filing charges. Yeah.

[B]

They said because they believed her and were horrible.

[A]

They were trying to believe her, which 100% agree with.

[B]

Except if it's not true, it's not true.

[A]

And she was like, no, I don't want to do that. I want to bury this. I'm just making you aware. Yeah. It's a backfiring on her.

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[A]

But we end up staying in touch. We end up staying in touch all the way until the Jesse. All the way until the Jesse situation.

[B]

So how many months? Like what dates are we talking about that you guys. It's post Italy and you guys are corresponding via phone.

[A]

Yeah. So middle, middle of August. I left.

[B]

I was just checking August of 24 or 24.

[A]

Yeah, 2024 I left. I got back to Vegas I think on August 18th.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And once again their show had not coming out yet and we stay in Touch all the way up until, I want to say, like, end of September or something like that. But in the meantime, their show's going to come out and we're in touch.

[B]

And do they do season one and two all at the same time and then split it in half? How did they get all. How are we already at season three in November of 25?

[A]

Yeah, I know. So season one was filmed a while ago. I think they shot the pilot, they recast it. I think they brought Jesse and Demi on after the pilot. Then you got season one, and then they've started shooting two seasons a year.

[B]

Okay, got it.

[A]

Yeah. But in the meantime, while we're, you know, still talking, and she asked me to come to Utah to go see her premiere, and Jen. I think Jen might have said something, said this, like, he's invited. He was invited to dinner, which is true. I was invited to go to her house with. With her husband there and, like, hang out and watch the premiere and stay there.

[B]

Like, wait, you spent the night at the house?

[A]

I didn't end up going because.

[B]

Oh, you didn't end up going?

[A]

I didn't end up going because Jen and Michaela were not my biggest fans, and they didn't agree with what Demi was doing, and I didn't want to cause a problem because, like I said, I. I knew Jen was not a fan of mine, and I was like, I don't want to cause problems, so I'm going to just. I'm going to. I'm going to stay. I'm. I'm going to not go. So I didn't end up going, but I was invited.

[B]

And what month was that?

[A]

That was in September.

[B]

September of 24.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Okay, so then after that premiere, do you continue to correspond?

[A]

Correct. Yeah.

[B]

All via FaceTime and text, texts, phone calls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And what are you guys doing? Just talking about your workouts or are you masturbating or what are you doing?

[A]

That's a good question. No, I think. I mean, it was just. Honestly, we just had a good. Like a good friendship about. We could talk about anything.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Honestly, yeah. We really could just talk about anything.

[B]

But at any point when you're talking to her, you're like, so, what are you doing with your husband? I mean, can we ever meet up? Are you ever asking for that?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, so the original. The original reason I go to LA when she and Jesse are supposed to go is because she told me to come out. She asked me to come and meet her in la. Jesse asked me, too, like, on social media. Like, casually, but, like, to me was like, hey, I'm gonna be in la.

[B]

Come out. So who all went. Was it to promote their Hulu thing?

[A]

I think they were just. They were doing a podcast, and. And they. And so was Jesse. They're doing a podcast with someone I know, obviously. And I was like, oh, perfect. I know that person. I'll come. We can all hang out.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So is Jesse and just Desi and Demi came out.

[A]

Correct. But no, no, no, sorry. Demi didn't end up going because she was fighting with the husband with. No. With Jesse. About contracts for season two.

[B]

That's right. So they reveal that in the first couple episodes, the first episode of season three, where one of the girls goes. I think it's Mikayla goes through and kind of says where everybody's at at the beginning of this filming. And Demi wanted three times as much money as the rest of us. So right now she's not filming.

[A]

That's for season three.

[B]

Oh. For season two. She's trying to get more chance.

[A]

She tried to do it too, for season two.

[B]

Okay. And did she get more?

[A]

They all did.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But she wanted more, but.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. But it was. It was really funny because she was including me in all those talks between her and Jesse. So, like, I knew everything that was going down about their contracts.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Because she made me very aware because my other friend that was dealing with Jesse, and she was relaying the information to me, what Jesse was saying, and then we were kind of all just trying to put it together of, like, all right, what is Jesse saying? What's Demi saying? And then are we gonna hang out in la? And long story short, though, Demi doesn't end up coming, and Jesse just comes and so.

[B]

So. So she comes out just to do the podcast. It wasn't pressed for anything, and you come out just for fun. You're not doing press for Villa or anything.

[A]

Correct. We ended up doing like a. I think it was like a Porsche. A Porsche. Like, get together or something like that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Like a little brand thing.

[B]

Okay. And so you all meet there, you're hanging out. What happens with you and Jesse now, who is married to her second husband? She has two kids. She has a successful hair salon and hair business, and she's 32 around there. What happens with you guys?

[A]

Yeah, so I'm gonna just backtrack really quick and, like, you don't see it on our show. And for whatever understanding, like, she and every. All the girls say that I was only into Demi, which is. Which is true. To an extent. But, like, this one is Demi, correct? Okay, yeah, correct.

[B]

She's the one that you kissed at the villa.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Then this Jesse's in the front here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. This way we can, like, point to the girl.

[A]

No, for sure.

[B]

Okay, so go on.

[A]

But Jesse and I had a couple really good conversations in the villa. Like, very, very good conversation. She was very easy to talk to as well. That's why I said, like, they're all really amazing people. But, like, Jesse, Demi and. And Layla as well was who I was closest with in the villa. But Jesse and I hit it off for her enough to be like, yeah, come to la. Because she wanted to hang out as well.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But, yeah, it was weird. So once we found out Demi wasn't going, and I was like, well, I'm still gonna go. Why wouldn't I go? Like, I do wanna see Jesse. She was a very nice person. She was awesome to hang out with. Right away, I just got a vibe where I was like, I don't know what to think because once I get to her hotel with my friend.

[B]

A guy friend?

[A]

No. Oh, it was Sheena.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't know if you were.

[B]

Gonna say Sheena's name, but I'm remembering the story.

[A]

I was trying to. I was trying to. I was trying to leave her out of it for her.

[B]

Wasn't this all.

[A]

I was trying to leave him.

[B]

This was. Was this before, after, or during the Sheena birthday party? The 40th birthday. Because I went to that party.

[A]

I know you did. I know you did. And I was not invited. This is way before. This is. This is September, the year before.

[B]

Okay, so months before.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay, so continue. So months after the 40th birthday, you come out, you're friendly with Sheena.

[A]

No. Months before the 40th birthday.

[B]

Oh, this month. Before the 40th.

[A]

Yeah. Because her birthday was this year.

[B]

Do you remember what month that was?

[A]

May.

[B]

Okay, May. Okay. So this is September, the year before. Okay. So the thing had just premiered and you go and hang out and you and Sheena go over to Jesse's hotel in la. Okay.

[A]

Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So she was just so excited to see me to the point where she. She ran and jumped into my arms like.

[B]

Like a bachelor toddler joke.

[A]

And. Yeah. And wrapped her legs around me where I was like. I mean, I was like, yeah, we were close in the villa. We were. We really were. And you don't see it, but I.

[B]

Was like, that was a lot.

[A]

A little much.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But I. I mean, it's not to say I wasn't into it.

[B]

I was just not like, you can't carry her. You're pretty rough.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was like, oh, maybe there's something I'm missing here or something I'm trying to put together. And one thing just led to another where we were just very flirtatious back and forth with each other the whole night. And then obviously alcohol was involved, so, you know, our decision were compromised to an extent. But not to say that she didn't want it and I didn't want it because I definitely did.

[B]

So you say goodbye to Sheena and you go back to her hotel.

[A]

Yeah, we all say goodbye together.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And Sheena's talked about this. We've all, we all leave Jesse's hotel room to go back to the Valley, and she's in West Hollywood.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was going to stay around there and I told Jesse that, but we end up going all the way back to Sheena's house in the Valley.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Jesse is, you know, she's like, do you want to come back? And I was like, fuck, yeah, I do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. But so you go back to her hotel.

[A]

Yeah. So that was one of the harder things to deal with because, you know, and once again, I'm trying to leave them out of it because I don't want them to. I personally just don't want them to talk about it because I'm trying to be respectful to them as well.

[B]

But who, the girls?

[A]

No, Sheena and Brock.

[B]

Oh, yes, that's fine.

[A]

You know, I go back to their house and she asked me to come over and I'm like, okay, so you.

[B]

Guys Uber together back?

[A]

No, I Uber alone back to Jesse's hotel room and they were like, you know, they're asking me where I'm going, what I'm doing, and I'm just kind of like going to see a girl, whatever, you know, trying to downplay it.

[B]

Okay. And so you didn't tell Sheena at that time?

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I, I, I mean, she has my location. She's talked about that she has my location.

[B]

So, yeah, she's the best. Okay, go on. So if anyone gets murdered, we know who to call first.

[A]

Yeah, literally.

[B]

Okay, go on.

[A]

So then I get back to West Hollywood and, you know, Jesse has since told this story on Bio Files where I. It's all true for the most part. We were up for hours talking and, yeah, just, you know, one thing led to another where we felt, you know, comfortable enough, where we wanted to kiss each Other. And we did. And then we went to bed. And then I woke up and she was like, jordan's calling me. I think you need to leave. And I was just like, yeah, okay, no big deal. Because we were meeting up in an hour anyway. So then we're meeting up in an hour to do this, like, influencing event. So I knew I was gonna see her in, like an hour. So.

[B]

Okay, so continue. So then you do your influencing event, and then the text that she shares on the show is she's reading to the girls. So then let's watch. Then we. Let me just tell you what I saw the show and then I have questions.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Laila somehow communicates with you, and you tell her that you've been having an affair that involved full penetration.

[A]

That's what I said. Correct.

[B]

And she then goes to Jesse and is like, on camera. This is what's happening. It's on camera, so you better deal with it. Then Jesse says, just so you know, I told Jordan six months ago that this happened. And we did talk and we did have. But all it was was a kiss. So then she. They called you on speaker, on camera, and she's like, what are you saying? That we had sex? And you are like, whatever, I had come in my underwear. But what you do, you boo. Whatever. Fine. Fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So what happened?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'll explain. I guess I'll explain.

[B]

You had a wet dream?

[A]

No.

[B]

Like a 13 year old.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

Honestly find that a little hard to believe, but.

[A]

Okay. It's so embarrassing that I said that, but I was. I knew I was getting the phone call because while production was going on, this was all happening so fast, which actually, to backtrack really quick, I'm not. It sucks that I'm gonna throw production under the bus, but Layla and I just spoke. We had our, you know, our scene together where, you know, I kept trying to say hook up, and they wanted me to say sex and stuff like that. And I was just like, all right, whatever. So I end up saying, we have sex. But the shitty thing was, was the fact that they end up. Production ends up telling Jesse before she even gets to. It was supposed to be Laila surprising her with it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And to me, I watch it on the show and I'm like, that's a. That's a tough watch, because I know. I just had a conversation with you. Like, yeah, 30, like an hour before.

[B]

A conversation with who?

[A]

With Jesse. So.

[B]

And did she know? So she. So you said, look, I already talked to Lala. It's all coming out on the show. Layla. Layla. Sorry. It's all coming out on the show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I adore the conversation in the car with her. And I did think the acting wasn't great.

[A]

So I was like.

[B]

Cause Jesse was like this.

[A]

Yeah. I'm like.

[B]

But I mean, if. I think you'd be more shocked. The person that had. That was truly shocked at hearing it for the first time was, I think, Taylor, Frankie, Paul, when she comes back from her retreat and Dakota tells her, and she's just. She truly seemed dumbfounded. So that's like a real reaction where you're like, wait, I thought the flirting was going on with Demi. How did this jump to Jessie?

[A]

Yeah. Which is funny. Cause I didn't know Laila was there to talk to me about Demi. Cause, like, production had not made me aware of that. It was like I was supposed to only talk about Jesse.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So. But I digressed.

[B]

So after the week. So after the night in the bed where you both admit to kissing only no dry humping. I'm a dry humping queen. If that's all I had to do in life, I'd be fine. I wouldn't have kids, but I'd be fine.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I like it with jeans.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Anyway, we're not gonna. Did a Mormon jump on the bed while you did the soaking. Do you know what that is?

[A]

Yeah, I do. I'm aware of it.

[B]

There wasn't another woman, Sheena, jump on the bed so that you could perform soaking?

[A]

Yes. Yes, she did. No, it's.

[B]

Brock's a strong guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, wait a minute.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

So you.

[A]

What Jesse said is true.

[B]

So this is what you're saying, Just kissing?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where did the come. Come from?

[A]

It didn't. I was. So once again, I'm. I'm in my mind trying to figure out what I'm gonna like. What you're saying. Am I gonna, like, am I just like, do I stick to this lie that I just told? Do I try and just come clean about it now, but then I look stupid? So like, I was.

[B]

And then the production of it all.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm like. I'm like, fuck, what am I doing?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So in my mind, I'm like, how do I try and sell this?

[B]

So when did all the sexy text happen that she's reading with her husband right behind her in earshot at that event, which was like episode two of the season.

[A]

Yeah. So that was all after.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I think one of them.

[B]

So then you were trying to maybe have Another hookup in real person, in real life.

[A]

Oh. We were talking nonstop, 100%. And, like, once again, I'm trying to be respectful to Jesse as much as Jordan, too. I like both of them. They're very nice people, and I'm very.

[B]

Well, I mean, they talked all about you, and I know.

[A]

And I know, I know. But I do want to be sympathetic because of their family. I hope you know that. But I do want to obviously speak the truth of. She has said that it was, like, for two weeks. It was way longer than two weeks, the going back. Yeah. Like, we. We were really strong for, like, two. I don't know, two weeks, whatever it was.

[B]

And was it just texting or was it phone calls and FaceTime?

[A]

Oh, yeah. 100 phone calls. FaceTime.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She was, you know, sending me pictures. I would send her pictures.

[B]

Sexy pictures.

[A]

I'm not gonna say specific, but I'll say no. I. I'll say no. And. Yeah, okay. But once, you know, once Jordan caught us.

[B]

Her husband.

[A]

Yeah, once her husband caught us.

[B]

And how did he catch it?

[A]

We were all in Vegas together, and they just talked about it on the other podcast, and he did catch us.

[B]

You, Jordan and Jesse. Jesse. We're all in Vegas together, like, hanging out, having dinner. Where were you?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they. They. They were in town, and, you know, I don't know what they were doing podcasts or just hanging out with her family because she brought her other sisters and their husbands. But yeah, I set them up for dinner one night.

[B]

Where?

[A]

Somewhere at the Aria.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But it was. Yeah, it was a Tao Group property, so I knew people from group, got them a complete full comp dinner.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And they were amazing. And then we all go to Marquee the next day together, the nightclub. Because I met them at dinner once they were done.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just to hang out, gamble a little bit, whatever. And then the next day, we go to the day club together.

[B]

Oh, day club.

[A]

Yeah, it was a day club together.

[B]

What month is this now?

[A]

The same time. It was all.

[B]

It was still September.

[A]

Yeah. I think it was end of either. End of September, I want to say.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

And of 24. Yeah. Correct. And, yeah, it's like, you know, I'm just being extremely hospitable to them. Like, I'm trying to make sure they have a good time, but obviously I want to see Jesse, and, you know, I'm trying to be respectful. And then, like. And honestly, I'll say this now. Like, Jordan and I just, like, we hit it off and maybe can be Sister. It was so cool.

[B]

Could you be Brother Husbands? Whoever think about a new reality show called Brother Husband, which is a spin off of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[A]

Oh, perfect. Any spin off. Perfect.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

No. And this is where the guilt started, eat away at me, where I felt like, wow, I really am a piece of shit now because this guy is really cool. And, like, I'm like, what am I doing here? And it sucks because, like, that whole time we're texting back and forth, like, even during Vegas. Yeah. Like, trying to see each other and stuff like that.

[B]

Like how? What? Around the corner in a bathroom at the Marquee.

[A]

I mean, yeah, like, I'll be texting her while she's sitting right across from me. Like, it's like.

[B]

And you're. What are you saying? Let's go make out and dry hump in that bathroom over there. What are you saying?

[A]

Yeah, something. I don't know, something. So it was. It was really tough situation trying to navigate through, and I felt like such a piece of.

[B]

So then you decide you're having a bromance with the husband.

[A]

Yeah, like, to the point where the, like, everyone left. And it was just like me and Jordan hanging out for a little bit.

[B]

Talking, what, sports and shit.

[A]

Just shooting the shit. He was like. I said he was so cool. And it sucks how everything played out, but, I mean, I, I deserve it. I.

[B]

Who does he find out?

[A]

So I, I, I leave. I set them up at Vanderpump Cocktail Garden for dinner, and then we were going to go to a nightclub again. She had something they were doing or whatever. I think she said they were in dinner, but I don't know the specifics. And I guess he caught us texting and took her phone, and it was just. And then.

[B]

Does he write you as Demi? So, I'm sorry, as Jesse?

[A]

No, no, he calls me.

[B]

And what does he say? And so you're like, hey, buddy, how are those 49ers? And then he says, no, you know what?

[A]

No, no, no. I think Jesse calls me first. I don't remember. I can't remember. It was like, the craziest, like, hour.

[B]

Hey, girl, when are we going to dry hump? And he's like, it's Jordan.

[A]

No, no, he called me on his phone. But I think Jesse. I think Jesse warned me first. I think Jesse warned me first. And I think then he texted me, being like, I know. And I was like, no, what? Like, what are you talking about? I'm like, oh. And then he calls me, and then we end up having A conversation.

[B]

What does he say?

[A]

He's actually extremely calm. What is extremely calm? He just wanted to know the truth. And that's where I tell him the truth.

[B]

That you kissed in the hotel?

[A]

Yeah. And, you know, I told him the truth, exactly what happened. And obviously he could see the text messages, but yeah. And then that's why. And Jesse does say this, where she was so just, you know, struck and shocked that I said we had sex. Because that wasn't the truth.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Knew that because that's what I told Jordan, and Jordan knew that as well. And that's why they were so upset about the entire thing and why I look dumb for lying, and I deserve that. I should never have lied. Don't lie. Be honest. And that was what really hurt me because I knew.

[B]

But just to be clear in what you're telling me, you kind of went that extra thing. I've had, like Real Housewives and stuff tell me that the cameras are in their kitchen and they're doing a scene with their kid and the producers are like, just get to this part, you know, always. And they're finally like, okay, so if I say this, oh, you're having sex with your girlfriend to their son, then you guys can get the fuck out of my kitchen, I can go to bed, and the day is done. Basically, yes. So I know sometimes reality stars are pushed to say or do or get to something quicker because truly they just want the day to be done. They want the mic off their back. And it sounds a little bit, from what you've told me or a lot bit, that that's sort of where you got yourself in that pickle of a lie. That is pretty bad of a lie to say that you had sex when you didn't.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. And, like, I mean, I was heavily influenced by Demi as well, and she knew she had that power over me because I didn't know what I was. I really had no idea.

[B]

And I've even seen the lie detector. Why are you influenced by Demi to say that you had sex with Jesse?

[A]

Because Demi's the one who brought it to production. I didn't bring it to production to.

[B]

Share that this shit's been going on.

[A]

She used it as leverage to get more money in her thing. Third contract season.

[B]

That's what I've heard. That people think that she orchestrated this whole thing, even pursuit of flirtation with you and a texting relationship with you after, to then be the Tom Sandoval Ariana of it all and have this exciting thing going on. And then Leverage it for more money.

[A]

Correct. Which is.

[B]

And you believe that's true?

[A]

100% true. 100%.

[B]

And so do you think she never really was interested in you or. Or jeopardizing her marriage?

[A]

I think, like, once she found out about the Jesse stuff, she was. She. We had a long conversation after she accused me of it, and I denied it.

[B]

So you think she was jealous of the Jesse thing then? I. I mean, I would be. If I was flirting with this guy for a while in the conversation, and then he ends up with my co star, I would be like, what the fuck? Whether this is real or not, I don't like you talking to another girl and being interested in another girl that looks exactly like me in the conversation.

[A]

It definitely. It's. I don't want to. I don't want to say jealousy, but she definitely had a feeling about it where she didn't feel good about it, where she's like, I got to put up boundaries and all this stuff. And then we pretty much stopped talking right after that. So if I look back on it, hindsight, like, that's what it seems like for sure.

[B]

So. But I'm guessing you didn't go to the nightclub that night. Now, did you go. Did they go to the Vanderpump cocktail?

[A]

No.

[B]

The weekend is done and was shot, and they go off and they deal with this. They don't share it with any cast member numbers. And you stopped communication?

[A]

No. No. That's the thing.

[B]

You did or you didn't?

[A]

No, I did not.

[B]

You did not stop communication with Jesse after.

[A]

This is where I feel like such a. Just. I'm even a worse person and I deserve it. I suck.

[B]

Okay, what happened?

[A]

We kept talking. We. Absolutely. We stayed in touch for. I mean, all the way up until I came out about this. I think, like, we. We would not talk as much anymore, obviously, because Jordan was so aware of that. He didn't want, you know, he's, you know, looking at her phones and all that stuff. But, I mean, we had transitioned to WhatsApp. We were going through Instagram. Like, we were staying off the phone. We were trying to navigate it as best we could, and that's why it was so tough.

[B]

Was it still sexual in nature, the communication?

[A]

I think, like, there was a part of it, but a part of it was me comforting her because I could tell she was going through a lot. And it was more me trying to understand and be there for her and no, let her know that I cared for her and, you know, I will always be there for her, whatever she needs.

[B]

Okay, so now what month and year are we in that you're still communicating? Are we in 2025 yet?

[A]

No. When 2025? I think the last conversation I had with her in 2025 was probably my birthday. She messaged me, my birthday's in January.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

She was dealing. She was having some medical procedures done.

[B]

She got a nose job.

[A]

No. No. Actual health concerns.

[B]

Oh. Because. No, she was honest about the nose job.

[A]

So, yeah, actual health concerns.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And you know, I had messaged her hoping everything's gonna be okay. She messaged me for my birthday. And then I don't think. I think we. We didn't talk much after January because I think I started filming either. I would have to look at the dates either end of February, early March, something like that.

[B]

What did you. You filmed that? Their show?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So February, March, they bring you on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What episodes are you in? Because I've only watched the first two.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm in three and four.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I'm talked about the entire season, right? Well, I mean, well. Cause once it transitions from me and Jesse, it goes into then me and Demi and the allegations and stuff like that.

[B]

And so right now on Hulu, you can watch the whole season, correct?

[A]

Yes, you can.

[B]

So people need to. I didn't have time to watch the whole season, but I'm kind of glad I didn't because I want people to watch it because it's juicy.

[A]

It's very juicy.

[B]

And now you know all. You know this point of view that you might not get in an edited show. Do you make an appearance at the reunion with Stassi?

[A]

That's a tricky. That's a tricky one. I was supposed to be okay. I was supposed to be. And I am not okay. An hour before we're spot to. We're supposed to film it. They asked me not to do it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And honestly, the circumstances you'll end up finding out, I'm very okay with it because I was extremely left in the dark on a lot of things where I didn't know what was going to happen. I was like, we're prep. Like we're prepping for it. Trying to figure out what's going on. Not really getting much coming up with exactly like, you know, what I'm gonna say about this or that, not really knowing. And thankfully, I think it worked out for the best. I really do. I really do.

[B]

So where. So when was was the reunion just filmed?

[A]

The reunion was filmed in end of August, early September.

[B]

Okay. So they filmed the show that we're gonna watch, like, March, April, May. You don't. Do you know how? Correct.

[A]

Yeah. They're filming season four right now. They were filming. Okay.

[B]

So then there was, like, a summer break, and now they just. And then they got together in August to do the reunion.

[A]

Yep. While they're filming season four.

[B]

Okay. So this is still a few months away. Okay. I mean, back.

[A]

We filmed season three. Well, that's the thing. I was. So I'm contra. I was contracted for episodes, season two, 11 through 20, which they ended up turning into a season three.

[B]

Got it. Okay.

[A]

Which is kind of funny because they ended up adding me into episode 10 of season two, which I was not contracted for, but whatever.

[B]

Do you feel the money was good?

[A]

We're not going to get into that. But not as good as them. But it's okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But yeah. But no. So we filmed March to February. March to June, I believe June is when the season three stopped. And then they picked up cameras again in August.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

August.

[B]

And so season four, how do you feel? Like, where are you now in your life? You said you had an incredible weekend. Cause you saw me from afar at the Hakkasan Club.

[A]

It was fun. I was like, oh, Heather McDonald, what are you doing here? What are you doing here? I don't think you're having fun.

[B]

I just did my show at the MGM Grant, which is in the same. And so they hooked me up, which was so fun. And to see Kyle Cook and everything. He was great.

[A]

He was really good.

[B]

Wasn't he great? And you DJ too?

[A]

I DJ as well. I'm dropping some music soon that I'm very excited about.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

So I'm starting to book some gigs around the country, but mainly in Vegas for sure.

[B]

But is that kind of like the career path you want to go is sort of use this. This notoriety to, like, get people to go and enjoy you as a dj?

[A]

Absolutely. I think I'm. I'm always been entrepreneurial, and then I always have a lot of passions. Music has been one of them. Hospitality, why I look up to Lisa is one of them because she's such a good mentor for that. So I would love.

[B]

Yeah, her places in Vegas are so genius.

[A]

They're so good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's got one coming out soon in Scottsdale, and then she has.

[B]

The Scottsdale is such a great.

[A]

Yeah. She. She's taking over the Cromwell Hotel as well. The Cromwell Hotel is yours. It's gonna be crazy.

[B]

I think it's genius that she's, you know, going to Other states and stuff. And. Yeah, no, it's great.

[A]

But there's a lot of things that I'm passionate about music, and DJing is one of them. I don't want to be like, one of those people that just shows up at a club and just like, takes pictures with people and.

[B]

Yeah, that.

[A]

That's getting paid there to do that. Like, I want to be out there and, like, give you something.

[B]

Performing.

[A]

Yeah, I want to give you something, you know, but yeah. So where did you see was fun, though. It was a good time for sure. That was a really cool. And actually, I wanted to backtrack because Kyle is a perfect representation.

[B]

Kyle Cook.

[A]

Kyle Cook is a perfect representation of, like, somebody that I wanted to meet. And what's funny is I didn't get a chance to meet him because he was DJing. And then I didn't stay long enough. I left, like, right as he was finishing. Yeah, but he's an entrepreneur. He's on reality TV. He DJs, he's married, whether it's going good or not. But, like, that Persona, like, I'm not saying I agree with all his choices he makes. I'm just saying that he just.

[B]

He. What I think is good. Is he extremely diverse. Yeah, he kept other. Which is. That is why Lisa, you know, really is the success story of all success stories, because she was an exciting reality personality in herself, but she already had a business that was doing well, but then exponentially made it huger, had spinoffs and all these other shows. And. Yeah, and Kyle is good. He has the beverage company. He. But he wanted to DJ too, which is great. You know, Hannah Burner was on that show. She was doing funny stuff before they got. And then she used that platform to actually do stand up, become a good standup, you know, like, do the work and get to a place where. So, yeah, it can be a wonderful springboard, especially in today's world where there isn't that much production happening. And so you're crazy, I think, to turn down a reality show thing, unless you're, you know, an old rich person that's doing illegal shit, really worried about.

[A]

Your life coming out.

[B]

But if you're a younger person, which is why I think they're pursuing a lot of younger talent on Hulu and Bravo. It's like already that generation has already shared so much. Like the TikTok girls, they'd already shared so much. If I was a producer, that's who I would be pursuing, because they're already used to being authentic in the social media. World, and then putting on another level is just a greater platform to then get other businesses going. So that's cool.

[A]

Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

[B]

What's your romantic life like right now?

[A]

That's a tough one as well, because I wish I could say more. I cannot, because I think you'll end up seeing some stuff come out.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think I'm obviously trying to navigate things to the best I can, whether it's with my ex or Hannah.

[B]

You're still seeing her.

[A]

I didn't. I didn't say that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I did not say that either.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But it's. It's one.

[B]

She's adorable.

[A]

She's. She's a really good person. She. I, I. You haven't seen the episode yet, but she tries to come to my defense, okay. To shut down those accusations.

[B]

All right?

[A]

And that's because I wasn't there. I got uninvited to that event because of that. And she did a great job trying to protect me, which I appreciate, but romantically, I'm figuring that one out as well as just trying to figure out everything that's going on right now. To be honest with you. It's tough to be, I think, anyone in the reality TV space. It's tough to maneuver real relationships because you don't really know someone's authentic reasoning of, you know, them trying to talk to you. So, yeah, it's. It's kind of.

[B]

It is really hard. I mean, when you think about, like, the Vanderpump original cast, you know, even Britney met Jax at a Vegas party, and, you know, now she's the star of the show and very well liked and, you know, wonderful human being, but it's like, yeah. You know, and then for the talent. Yeah, it's. Sometimes they meet someone great, and that person then goes, I don't want to film with you. And they're like, it's the same thing when a housewife gets divorced and her husband says, I don't want the kids on, which is understandable, but at the same time, then that housewife, nobody ever sees her being a mom, and they just see her getting drunk and throwing wine at people, and they're like, you're a horrible mother. And you're like, well, they didn't let me show you. When I'm, like, making turkey tacos with my kids. So it is a hard. It's a hard thing to maneuver. I have a lot of empathy for even the Bravicon stuff. This weekend, I was like, you know, seeing now all the fans, you know, saying, this one was nice and this one wasn't nice. And I'm like, you guys don't understand.

[A]

That judging it off such a short.

[B]

A real actor, okay, A real actor does press for a movie and it's over. They are not expected to say hi and take a photo with every single person waiting for a valet, waiting for this. And if they don't, then that fan is like, well, they're a horrible person. And they do a TikTok about. I mean, it's just, it's. It's a lot. You don't realize how accessible you have to be as a reality star. It's not the same as being an actor and people expect more from you. And it's cool that you are like that because you're not, you know, Tom Cruise. But at the same time, yeah, it's like you just can't win.

[A]

No, it's really tough.

[B]

You just kind of can't win.

[A]

Yeah, it's tough to maneuver through a lot of those things. And it's like, how does your family.

[B]

Feel about the fact that you are now in this space?

[A]

I. My parents are very supportive. They're absolutely fantastic. Like I said, I was raised from a really good, good old school Italian family that, like, has taken care of me very, very well. And they are extremely sympathetic to the decisions that I make, whether they're good or bad. They try to understand that one. It's a reality TV show. And they'd also know me as a son where they know I'm not like that. Because there's times where it can be authentically yourself on tv, but also performative. And people don't always understand that. But I think the hardest part of what they've been dealing with lately is the accusations, because my mother sees that and she's so heartbroken. Where somebody, a woman like that, can make accusations about her son, where she now is questioning what I'm doing and defend me to either other family members or to the people she works with. And it just sucks. I feel so bad for them. Yeah, it's. I, I know, like, I put myself in that position being on reality tv, but I never would have thought this would have ever happened.

[B]

Since you didn't really seek it out.

[A]

No.

[B]

Were you. Because I said this. Hannah said the same thing. I'm like, you're so beautiful. Were you pursuing modeling, acting? And she's like, no.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you guys really weren't like theater kids or models or anything?

[A]

I had done some modeling. I done theater in high school. Never after that. But I knew. I just. I knew I was going to get on reality tv. I'd been auditioning for a few different shows that I hadn't got.

[B]

Oh, so it was something that you saw yourself doing?

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. I had auditioned for a couple different things that I'm very happy I didn't end up doing now.

[B]

Like, what can you say?

[A]

No. No. I mean, it was. It was like two different.

[B]

It wasn't gigolos, was it?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay. On Showtime, male hookers.

[A]

Definitely not. No.

[B]

Okay, good. That's all I care about.

[A]

Yeah. And I had known once I fell in love with Vanderpump Rules, that I was like, this is what I'm going to do, 100%. I was so adamant about it. And I film on Vanderpump Rules, like.

[B]

One episode, two episodes when they came to Vegas. Or.

[A]

No, no. Here in la.

[B]

Oh, okay. The new cast.

[A]

No, no. Not to say I wouldn't be. I wouldn't do the new one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would be open to it.

[B]

Yeah. I'm excited to see it.

[A]

Me, too.

[B]

Yeah. It's so. Well, this was so interesting.

[A]

I know it really?

[B]

Thank you. I'm gonna let everyone know. See, like, this is not a cute photo of you.

[A]

Yeah. Here you go. That's Winter. That's Winter Marciano, unfortunately. And I learned that the hard way of not being able to put on weight in the winter anymore because I have to do press things. So I said, now I have to stay in shape all the time.

[B]

You look totally different.

[A]

I know. It's.

[B]

I mean, that guy's cute. He just doesn't look like you.

[A]

I appreciate that.

[B]

And then. Oh, this was a juicy thing.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dakota.

[B]

Yeah, Dakota dated.

[A]

I think he just talked to him.

[B]

Taylor's baby mama's best friend.

[A]

Yeah. I don't want. I think he just talked to her.

[B]

So here is where people can follow you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Marciano. Marciano. Am I saying it? Marciano.

[A]

Yeah. You got it, B.

[B]

That's all Marciano.

[A]

B. Yep.

[B]

He has a blue check mark. He's got some good chest body workout. I mean, that is pretty good. My God.

[A]

I try. I try.

[B]

See, that does not look like that.

[A]

No. And that's Winter. You have to understand. And I had to figure it out. I didn't realize how many press things you do. Like where I'm like, okay, I don't. I can't take a day off anymore. I have to stay in shape all the time and look good. So over. Like, that guy. Like, I shaved my face, thinking. And it didn't grow back in time. And then I was like, oh, well, you know.

[B]

You know what that is. Are you normally a beard person or not?

[A]

Yeah, I usually am. And I shaved it because I was doing something. I wanted to see how it looked, and then it didn't grow back fast enough where I was like, I'm screwed.

[B]

That's what it is. That's why you looked. Okay. I like the beard.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I think the beard is cool. If you ever had to, like, play a role where you're someone much younger.

[A]

Oh, I could. Yeah.

[B]

Then I think then you look a lot younger without the facial hair. That's so interesting when it, like, really changes the guy's look.

[A]

I didn't know.

[B]

Anyway, tall drink of water, very worked out. Thank you, Italian Delight. Thank you for coming here and telling the show of Secret Lives. Secret. What is it?

[A]

Secret Lives of Mormon.

[B]

Mormon Wives. I call it Tuk Tukwan. The girls are great. They're beautiful. The husbands are interesting. It's a huge hit and they're sharing it all, and. And it's juicy. So I say you guys check it and then. Villa, you're not on that. But that's coming back, right? Or is it not coming back?

[A]

It's coming back.

[B]

It's coming back. Okay. But none of the people I've now interviewed are on it anymore.

[A]

Or maybe I didn't say that.

[B]

Okay, Okay.

[A]

I didn't say that.

[B]

Very good. Well, I love it all. And everybody follow Marciano B on Instagram. Everything for me is @HeatherMcDallan. Yes. And thank you so much, everyone.

[A]

Go watch the Juicy Scoop. Thanks for having me.

[B]

Yeah. On YouTube everywhere. Follow it. If you're listening to this, you can see how cute he is on my YouTube. You subscribe for free. Watch it for free. This is free. Thank you. Bye.

[A]

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