Real Housewife Arrested and Lesbian Affairs with Kate Casey

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode Title: Real Housewife Arrested and Lesbian Affairs with Kate Casey
Date: October 14, 2025
Guests: Kate Casey (Reality Life with Kate Casey)
Host: Heather McDonald

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Episode Overview

Heather McDonald welcomes favorite recurring guest, Kate Casey, for a packed pop culture session. With her signature irreverence and insider knowledge, Heather and Kate dissect the latest scandal of a Real Housewives arrest for insurance fraud, spill on jaw-dropping Bravo revelations (including lesbian affairs and cast drama), debate high-profile true crime cases, touch on pop culture news, and cap it off with binge recommendations and sharp perspective.

The episode is a full buffet of Bravo gossip, commentary on reality TV’s wildest moments, and smart takes on current documentaries and trending topics.

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Major Segments, Highlights & Timestamps

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1. Real Housewife Arrested – The Wendy Osefo Scandal

[02:14 – 20:25]

Key Points:

• Wendy Osefo (RHOP) & her husband's insurance scam:
  • Arrested for filing a false police report, insurance fraud, and more, after claiming their home was burglarized—allegedly for a $423,000 insurance payout.
  • Investigators found inconsistencies: items claimed stolen had been purchased and then returned prior to the “robbery”; she wore a claimed “stolen” wedding ring in later photos.
  • Digression into pressures of reality TV, maintaining status and wealth, and the “smoke & mirrors lifestyle” of Housewives casts.

Notable Quotes:

• “What a fun job to be the investigator for the insurance company …You start to suspect, play the long game…” — Co-host, [04:36]
• “I think this is her personality. I think she’s a scammer… never saw her as a liar or a scammer… But she’s obviously not smart if she thought she could get away with this crime.” — Kate Casey, [06:01]
• “To do a reality show, you have to be diabolical, delusional, and ballsy. Normal people would go, my boss might think it's weird … these women are missing that impulse that tells you this might not end well.” — Co-host, [12:54]
• “They found that there were items that were on the insurance claim that had already been bought and returned before the alleged robbery.” — Kate Casey, [04:19]
• Discussion of mugshots (“They were smiling… I think they were high.” — [14:50]) and family/cast consequences.
• Theories on production possibly knowing about legal troubles, referencing Jen Shah’s arrest.

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2. Bravo/Housewives Updates, Affairs & Lesbian Drama

[23:02 – 35:06]

Real Housewives of Miami Reunion Bombshells

• Adriana accuses Julia (married to Martina Navratilova) of infidelity and holding a lesbian affair over her head.
• Wild back-and-forth over a “Haitian mortician,” coffee machines as thank-you gifts, and open marriage rumors.
• Conversation moves to openness about bisexuality among Bravo stars (Ashley Darby, Portia from Atlanta).

Notable Quotes & Moments:

• “Nobody would have found you with your goats in that place, Julia—I brought you to the show.” — Kate Casey, [23:40]
• “What the Jeffrey Dahmer is this — a fake crafty heart in a wooden box… Maybe you guys were full-on lovers.” — Kate Casey, [30:42]
• Andy Cohen, cast, and fans react with varying levels of shock and amusement (“Did it have a cream foamer?”—Andy, [24:46])
• Commentary on how reality TV normalizes bisexuality, same-sex affairs, and why “no one cares” anymore:
  “In two years, someone’s gonna be like, ‘and then you ate me out’ and we’ll be like, ‘what?’” — Kate Casey, [36:13]

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3. True Crime Corner: Amy Bradley Case

[37:14 – 45:33]

Key Points:

• Debate over the disappearance of Amy Bradley from a cruise ship (1998).
• Kate Casey believes she was trafficked, citing new documentary details: suspicious IP address activity, bartender witness, nightclub video.
• Heather is skeptical, poking fun at the “sensible haircut and Birkenstocks” as un-sexy for traffickers and the enduring “money-making” aspect of certain true crime cases.

Notable Quotes:

• “You’re not a target for trafficking if you have a sensible haircut and wear Birkenstocks.” — Heather, [42:19]
• “There are enough people throwing up red flags in this case…Enough reason to believe she lived past the day she disappeared.” — Kate Casey, [41:48]
• Example of Heather and Kate’s signature: sharp difference of opinion but mutual respect and humor.

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4. More Housewives Recaps & Observations

[49:22 – 59:27]

Salt Lake City: Bronwyn & Her Mom

• Disturbing scene where Bronwyn’s mother, living with her following family upheaval, shows little warmth or support. Debate on editing vs. reality.
• “I think women go on Real Housewives to show the world what an asshole their husband is—or in this case, her mom.” — Kate Casey, [53:44]

Orange County: Innocence Project Event

• Critique of the tone-deaf party celebrating a recent exoneree, featuring shirtless men and line dancing.
• Commentary on Shannon’s comic shtick and evolution over the years.
• Cute aside: Kate’s real-life overhearing of Shannon's dad calling her on speaker in a restaurant, showing "she's so much like her dad." [60:14]

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5. Pop Culture Quick Hits

[62:05 – End]

• Denise Richards’ Divorce ("He’s the worst. Talk about grifters.")
• Blake Lively’s ‘It Ends With Us’ Oscar clause: Humorous discussion on delusion vs. ambition in Hollywood contracts.
• Climbing Mount Everest trend
  • Critique of influencer culture, questioning if anyone would do such feats if they couldn’t post about it.
  • “If you could climb Mount Everest but could never tell anybody or take a photo…no one would do it.” — Kate Casey, [68:05]
  • Both agree just to stay home and stream Netflix.

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6. What to Watch & Closing Recs

[69:52 – End]

• Docuseries:
  • Starting Five (Netflix – NBA)
  • Saquon (Amazon Prime, NFL)
  • The Many Lives of Lane Kiffin (ESPN)
  • The Perfect Neighbor (Netflix, true crime)
  • Love Is Blind (“bonkers”)
  • Victoria Beckham docuseries
  • Subscribe to Kate Casey’s Substack for weekly watch lists.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You have to be diabolical, delusional and ballsy to do it. Normal people would go, my boss might think it's weird … you have to be missing that chip.” — Co-host, on joining reality TV, [12:54]
• “Here you go. You took my heart, so now you can have it in a box. What the Jeffrey Dahmer is this?” — Kate Casey, on RHOM reunion, [30:33]
• “If you could climb Mount Everest and you could never tell anybody, never take a photo… no one would do it.” — Kate Casey, [68:05]
• “Don’t say you want to go snorkeling if you get panic attacks. Just be authentically yourself. I want to just stay home and watch Netflix.” — Co-host, [69:39]

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Episode Tone & Style

• Language & Tone: Wry, snarky, honest and conversational with plenty of Bravo insight, pop culture savvy, and mutual ribbing between the hosts.
• Balance: Deep-dive on Housewives drama interspersed with sharp social commentary and jokes; thoughtful true crime debate; wrap with lifestyle and viewing recommendations.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You’ll get a complete rundown on the Wendy Osefo insurance fraud, Miami’s “lesbian affair” bombshell, biting Housewives commentary (from mugshot grins to over-the-top parties), the Amy Bradley true crime debate, Denise Richards’ divorce, and a host of binge-worthy recs—all delivered with trademark Juicy Scoop wit.

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Episode Compact Timeline:

• [02:14] Wendy Osefo arrest/insurance fraud
• [23:02] Real Housewives of Miami reunion bombshells
• [37:14] Amy Bradley disappearance true crime debate
• [49:22] RHOSLC and RHOC recaps
• [62:05] Denise Richards divorce
• [63:20] Blake Lively Oscar clause
• [66:35] Climbing Everest & influencer culture
• [69:52] What to Watch recommendations

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Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Kate Casey]

Listen up.

[Co-host/Guest]

Woo. Woo.

[Podcast Announcer]

Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop.

[Kate Casey]

Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of your favorites. You know her, you love her. Kate Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.

[Co-host/Guest]

Thank you for having me. Love to be here. So happy to see you.

[Kate Casey]

Thank you. We always have such a good time. We always have so much to talk about and we're gonna get right into it because it was a big weekend for Real Housewives of prisoners. There was another horrible arrest. As far as I think there's gonna be some real time done. This is Real Housewives of Potomac, one of their most highly educated housewives that we've ever had. Dr. Wendy would often say, I have four degrees. She was a professor at John Hopkins. Her husband was a lawyer. So Wendy and her husband claimed that they came back from a vacation with their kids in Jamaica to find that they their house had been broken into. But only things were stolen through. Someone came through a bathroom window and got into her closet and stole jewelry and handbags and items like that. And then they reported it to the police. And their insurance and went along their way. Then what they were arrested for with numerous felonies is insurance fraud and filing a fake police report. They believe that there was no robbery, that the crime scene was suspicious. It was like a screen that was open from the inside or something. And that in. In doing the insurance fraud, there was emails going back and forth between the lawyer, husband and the 4 degree Wendy, who, by the way, did leave teaching at John Hopkins to try to sell candles and have her own talk show. Wendy. Anyway, that saying, what else can we put on it to get to the maximum $423,000 insurance claim busted. They found that there were items that were on the insurance claim that had already been bought and returned before the alleged robbery. And then the one of her wedding bands that was on the claim she proceeded to wear in posted photos on social media.

[Co-host/Guest]

That's insane. You know that my first reaction to the story was, what a fun job to be the investigator for the insurance company.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

You know when you start to suspect, like, you go, you show up to the crime scene and you're like, I'm not kind of buying this. And you have to play the long game.

[Kate Casey]

Right.

[Co-host/Guest]

And do all the research and ask questions and not let them know that you're lying to them.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. You can't go right off the bat. I think you're lying.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Because it's like, you know, you have to go. Exactly. Get them to continue. So the case gets stronger and stronger and stronger, and as it gets stronger and stronger, they're getting felony after felony after felony after felony. And I mean, it looks like 16.

[Co-host/Guest]

Against her, 18 against him. Okay, so do you think this is a case of a housewife that has been living a smoke and mirrors lifestyle situation, feels the pressure of maintaining this. This Persona, this brand, this lifestyle to be a real housewife? Or do you think it's her husband having difficulty getting investment because he's got a cannabis business, which is like, it's hard to get loans for that kind of business. So do you think it's more because of his business or lack of business, or it's because of the demands of what the show does to her, her brand, her Persona?

[Kate Casey]

Sadly, no. I think this is her personality. I think she's a scammer. I think if they were never on the show, they would have probably pulled this crime. I never saw her as a liar or a scammer or anything like that. She was not one of those people. Like, I didn't like Jen Shaw's Persona before. She was I remember there was something I just did not like. Jen Shaw. I just thought before we ever knew what she did for a living. She's also doing time for stealing from elderly in a long scam and for real houses of Salt Lake City, in case you guys are like trying to remember all the criminals. I just thought she thought a little highly of herself, but I was really thought she was an accomplished, smart people person. But she's obviously not smart if she thought she'd get away with this crime.

[Co-host/Guest]

Well, clearly. But there are people that now point out that the story that Wendy told about either this crisis of vacillating between academia and a career in journalism or on TV was not accurate.

[Kate Casey]

What are they thinking it is?

[Co-host/Guest]

She may not have received tenure or been offered tenure, so she really didn't have any opportunity to kind of move up in academia. So she made up this story because when she would go on TV to, you know, give commentary, that's not a paid position and didn't really go anywhere. I think she always wanted to be on tv. Just be honest.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, I just think it's the same when you, you know, Emily not being an attorney and like all these things just because you have it, like being. Once you get a taste of this fame in the TV and stuff, you're like, well, this is a lot more fun. I've gotten some plastic surgery. I feel more confident in my body. My kids are getting older. Like I could do this other stuff, which is gonna be a lot less work than actually teaching full on college classes, grading papers, having to be accountable. Like, yeah, So I never thought the fact that she left that I. That didn't make me.

[Co-host/Guest]

You're like, I don't blame you. Do you really want to work that hard? Do you want to have to have all the syllabus and students and be held accountable? Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

I am actually shocked because I did think that they were like so on the up and up, that they were so both like highly educated and stuff, that I was sort of. I was surprised to see this. But I wonder, you know, the insurance scam thing, I just wonder how many people do it. I wonder if it's harder in certain states. Like, I wonder if certain states are more excited to crack down on it versus, like California. Is there a statue of limitations on this? I wonder, like, you know, could something from four years ago in LA or Encino come up and then they're like, hmm, we just were waiting this long to. I don't know. But that. Who knows? So it makes the only Thing, though.

[Co-host/Guest]

I watched the premiere episode and I sort of winced when she was talking about her husband's business. And she was like, wait, hasn't it already.

[Kate Casey]

Wait, Potomac has already started to air? How many episodes have you.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's like two.

[Kate Casey]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Do you think they were waiting on that?

[Co-host/Guest]

You know, there are conspiracy theorists who do believe there is some connection. I feel like that would be too much.

[Kate Casey]

I think that sometimes they. That producers do have a heads up about. I saw something too, that they were like, again, there's a theory that. That the producers and stuff did know about the FBI that day with Jen Shaw.

[Co-host/Guest]

Jen Shaw. They were tipped off. Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And I don't know, but I just interviewed the.

[Co-host/Guest]

The executive producer of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and asked her about that moment. But in her retelling it, it seemed like there are too many moving parts. Yeah. That. I don't know.

[Kate Casey]

Getting back to this, she was one of the four housewives among the franchises who were gonna do Real Housewives Swap.

[Co-host/Guest]

And they pulled it.

[Kate Casey]

Oh, they pulled her episode. And that's why the premiere is a couple weeks later, I think so. So she's not even gonna be on it at all.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't think so.

[Kate Casey]

How bummed if you were the normal family that got to swap with her.

[Co-host/Guest]

That's the first thing I thought. That's the first thing I thought. It's like, that person is like, I'm okay. I'm going to be able to tell all my friends from high school. I'm going to be on tv.

[Kate Casey]

And then, so I. I saw that she did a podcast zoom interview. And I apologize to the. To the guy that I don't have.

[Co-host/Guest]

Oh, no, she did.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, she did.

[Co-host/Guest]

She did Gibson's show.

[Kate Casey]

Yes. Gibson.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And so he's asking, you know, because it was out in the news that she had been robbed. And she is sitting there talking to him, straight up, lying and talking about it.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, did you see she looked at the floor?

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, there was some. There was definitely some. You know, if you studied lying, body language, whatever. Here comes the OC Acting Lying, lie detector people. But she, you know, he was being nice, saying, like, oh, my God. And, you know, she went on, like, everybody, the violation, even though we weren't there. And we came back and, you know, there's been no robberies on my street. So I think it was targeted. Like, she was adding extra lies.

[Co-host/Guest]

That actually would have been a piece of the, like, the nail in the coffin.

[Kate Casey]

Like, first of all, like, yeah, if.

[Co-host/Guest]

I Was lying about that journalism award for that.

[Kate Casey]

But also, if I was lying about that, I would be like, hey, you know, you do enough of these things. You can say, hey, don't ask me about my divorce, or, don't ask me about my son in rehab. She could have said, there's an ongoing investigation with my robbery, so just don't ask me about that. And she could have said that before, but no, she got into it and played into the sympathy, and it's just amazing.

[Co-host/Guest]

Ballsy.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. Okay. And I could be wrong. Okay. But allegedly wasn't. One of the things that was a problem with Teresa was that, you know, once they were. Once they were going through. Before she was sentenced to prison, she was not gonna have to go to prison. They did a bankruptcy thing, and she had to say, here's all my possessions or list them or something.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think you do have to do that.

[Kate Casey]

And then somehow she was caught lying. Yeah. Not sharing everything she was supposed to.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think that sounds right. Yep.

[Kate Casey]

And if I'm wrong, it's alleged. Whatever. Something about that, like, wasn't going to do prison until she again, screwed up on some other thing about her possessions. And it's like, with these possessions, like, what are you thinking?

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, well, I think you also have to really have good, really good legal counsel that goes through it with a.

[Kate Casey]

Fine tooth comb or just the audacity of just thinking that you're so smart that you're going to get out of this.

[Co-host/Guest]

Those are the same people who are agreed to do a reality show. You have to be diabolical, delusional, and ballsy to do it. You know, normal people would go, my boss might think it's a little bit weird, or, I don't know how I want my kids to think about this years from now. But you have to be missing that chip. That. That. That impulse that will tell you, like, this may not end well for me. I don't think they have it.

[Kate Casey]

It's just like, the opposite of, like, the insurance thing. Like, I had a ring recently that I talked about that was in this jewelry box. I switched it, and I'm like, yeah, I think it was thrown out. I'm pretty convinced it was thrown out.

[Co-host/Guest]

I've had that happen to me with jewelry.

[Kate Casey]

You know, this is like the opposite. Like, she was like, oh, no, I have it all. And I'm gonna say that it was stolen. Not even, like, I lost it or it, like, fell down the drain. Like, she could have said, oh, my God, my ring fell down the drain. And it's worth $10,000. And now I need the $10,000. And then somehow, I don't know, hid it away or. But I guess then those things get caught. They also find those things, like, at a pawn shop too. Sometimes you can't say it fell down the drain and then say that. I mean, it's just.

[Co-host/Guest]

What about the fact that there was a whole scene, like, it had been ransacked with, like, a mattress flipped over and.

[Kate Casey]

In her house, you mean?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. Like, who was the one who did that?

[Kate Casey]

That they planned. That's all out. And I was just thinking. And on top of it, they're Catholic. Remember they had the boys first Holy communion. Yeah, that was a whole scene.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. And like.

[Kate Casey]

And her mom, like, what. What are the parents gonna say? Like, and then in their.

[Co-host/Guest]

Her mom's freaking out because her mom was freaking out that she wasn't gonna be in academia. And also, Eddie's a lawyer and they. Is he gonna get disbarred?

[Kate Casey]

And by the way, they're mugshots. Like, she's. I know, it's such a weird thing. They were smiling.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think they were high.

[Kate Casey]

I didn't wanna feature their mug shots. But they're smiling. You can look em up.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think they were high.

[Kate Casey]

So he is not a lawyer anymore. He has a cannabis business.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yes. But he still, you know, went to law school. So you would think.

[Kate Casey]

I wonder if they'll represent themselves. Hopefully they won't be dumb enough to.

[Co-host/Guest]

Send that in an email. Like, what lawyer would? Huh? There's so many movie parts.

[Kate Casey]

Your wife, like, why wouldn't she say that at night? Like, wait, where are we on this thing? Can we throw like 10 more bags on there?

[Co-host/Guest]

Or if you're committing a crime, like in the dark with a flashlight under your chin, like, you're gonna like, email.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, and then. So. So they're not currently filming the show, right? Or are they? No, this one of them.

[Co-host/Guest]

They picked up cameras. And wouldn't you. I would call headquarters and go, that should be a shirt.

[Kate Casey]

They picked up cameras. Juicy scoop. I'm gonna make that a shirt. I heard they just picked up cameras.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

Oh, God. Well, I mean, I definitely think they're both gonna do time, which is really sad because, you know, they have the kids, so they're probably gonna try to have to do something like the jujits, where it's like, here's what they need to do. Yeah, just cop to it. I think that's a little too late. Just cop.

[Co-host/Guest]

Just go. You know, Eddie has this Business. We really were facing some massive debt. It's been a lot more stressful. Like pull a Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City who's like.

[Kate Casey]

And then just.

[Co-host/Guest]

We made a big mistake. Now we're suffering, but we're gonna get back up. Just cop to it.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

I guess you have to copy reality show. That's your career for the rest of your life.

[Kate Casey]

Okay. This is what they should lean into it. She should say that's what it is. That she got sucked into this fake world of being rich. And she felt. And then they were in debt. Cause they really don't get paid that much from Bravo. And she. It was wrong for her to also include a ring that is so close to her heart because it is her wedding band. And they still love each other. They're still a family. They don't wanna be taken away from their kids, from each other.

[Co-host/Guest]

Talk about that. Talk about that.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. And that's why I stor. Still wore the ring.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Well, what about returning things right before and claiming that they were stolen? Well, again, I needed the money.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

To keep up the image of being a real housewife. But the thing about it is, I wouldn't say.

[Co-host/Guest]

I would talk about the pressure of your husband trying to build a business. And I would say lean into. It's really hard to grow a cannabis business. I think it's really hard for them, like I said, to get loans.

[Kate Casey]

I know, but that's not like a sympathy thing.

[Ad Read Announcer]

No.

[Co-host/Guest]

But you could say the reality of some, like your partner leaving the law practice to start a business and I'm on TV and raising kids. Okay, well, that's the only thing you could do. Okay. Possibly get people to understand.

[Kate Casey]

Okay. If you're there, defense attorney. I'm trying to get their business too. I'm going to say let's not talk about the cannabis business. I don't think that's going to win over a jury. But I also would say you really weren't surrounded by like that wealthy of people. Your castmate's already in prison for a DUI for her fourth, which is Karen Huger. Giselle is that house that was made by Legos. Is not. Is not a fancy house.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't think the Oseppo's live. I think they live pretty far out, away from Baltimore.

[Kate Casey]

But I'm saying it's not like she can really do the excuse of I had to keep up with the Joneses of my cast because that cast is not a, well, festival of that.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's about being on television.

[Kate Casey]

Right. That's what we have to just go with the television.

[Co-host/Guest]

You go with the tail, I think she says. I started to believe that if I didn't increase my lifestyle that it wouldn't provide me additional opportunities in reality tv. Great. To be on Traders, to be on this spinoff show, shows I wanted to pitch. I felt like if I didn't have a bigger and more abundant lifestyle, that I would be overlooked for opportunities.

[Kate Casey]

This guy said that he. I guess his name is Rob Smith, I think, but he. His. He is a also commentator of things.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

But I think he's more on the conservative side.

[Co-host/Guest]

Oh, I watched that one.

[Kate Casey]

So he might not like her because of her.

[Co-host/Guest]

I watched that views. I think that was a dig because they had been together on tv, but.

[Kate Casey]

He had said that she was very rude and, you know, full of herself and blah, blah, blah. But you're also going bat to bat. But that's just kind of interesting that.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, I think they'd been on several different.

[Kate Casey]

He didn't appreciate her when they were like talking heads together. So we'll see what happens with that. And to the person that's wife swapped with her.

[Co-host/Guest]

You know what? I gotta be honest. More people are gonna watch Real Houseways of Potomac this season because they're gonna be looking through each episode like the Zapruder film to see if there are other inaccuracies.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, there is no way that the people at Bravo are never not happy providing someone is not dead when someone gets arrested. Yeah, probably like, provided that no physical harm has happened to anybody. They've got to be thrilled every single time.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah, I'm going to. I'm. I'm going to be watching all season.

[Kate Casey]

Like, I just think they get the news and they go, wow. And then they shut the door and like, do a day like.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

Yes.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Yes.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's like you and me when we call each other like, oh, my God, what is going on?

[Kate Casey]

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[Co-host/Guest]

Let me say I love this show so much.

[Kate Casey]

I like it.

[Co-host/Guest]

I've interviewed the executive producer. I always tell him it's my favorite of all the franchises. I love that show more than any other Real Housewives.

[Kate Casey]

I think. They are all so funny. Truly colorful. It's like they all so, you know, multicultural, from different countries, speak multiple languages.

[Co-host/Guest]

They're all family of immigrants, by the way.

[Kate Casey]

Yes, all of them. Oh yeah, all gorgeous outfits. I like their looks. All of it.

[Co-host/Guest]

All authentically, unapologetically authentically themselves.

[Kate Casey]

So here we go. Adriana says that she brought Julia, who's married to Martina onto the show. Nobody would have found you with your goats in that place, Julia. Nobody. And I brought you here to be on this show, okay? I did it for you. And Julia, who's Russian, says, and I may not have her accent down, says, what? You don't know Andy, which could be some clarity on why Adriana and I are no longer close, is back in the Hamptons. We slept together. They slept together. And that was like four years ago. And she claims that Adrianna held it over her her like a carrot or huddled it over her head, dangled it. Dangled it. Like, tell it. I'm gonna ruin it. I'm gonna ruin your marriage. And Martina is this famous tennis player. They've been together a while, married now, adopted these two boys just recently who are like three and one that are brothers. And she tells it so that we knew that last week. Then this week, Adriana comes back and she goes, you're a married woman. What does it matter what I did with you? You are a cheater. You slept with a Haitian mortician. And they're like, what? And you had to give him a coffee machine as a thank you gift. What? He brought the champagne and you banged him. You got the hotel room. You told me about it. And then you and your Haitian mortician, and they're like, what was this? Like, what kind of coffee machine? Andy's like, wait, did it have a cream foamer? Like, what are we talking about? And she's like, so then they leave, and he's like. Is like, who was the Haitian mortician? And people were like in the comments, was the Haitian mortician a woman or a man? Like, yeah. And she's like, affair? Hardly. Meaning, yeah, I fucked this guy. I fucked this guy.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, probably one time.

[Kate Casey]

Yep, one time I had a free coffee machine, but she also gave me a. And you slept with a cop.

[Co-host/Guest]

No one cared. Because they're like, that tracks.

[Kate Casey]

But also shock. But also, it's also to me, so humiliating to Martina. Martina.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I'm just.

[Kate Casey]

Let's think about Martina before she entered our worlds world as the most unhappy, humorless spouse of any housewife in the history of the housewives. Like, you're just like, why are you agreeing when you had this, like, you know, really great reputation as this incredible tennis player your whole life, and now you and this wife who needs to be on tv. Not only did you. I. I just thought, I have to keep this sexy wife happy so she can be on the housewives.

[Co-host/Guest]

Fine.

[Kate Casey]

She used to be a model. She wants to be in front of tv. Fine with this. I'm like, it's so embarrassing because even if you did have an open marriage, it's just gross that you're like sleeping with some cop possibly, and a mortician at hotel rooms. And then they went back and do you remember when Larsa was like, I saw you making out with a black guy or something? And she's like, I kiss lots of people. What does it matter? So she's a serial cheater or they're open. She's an imp. She's an imp. She's a nymph.

[Co-host/Guest]

She's whatever really affects Martina, because how many people in her tennis world are keeping up with every episode of Real Houses Manufacture?

[Kate Casey]

Well, the rumors are that she is, but I don't know that it's true that she's very unhappy and that there was a time she was looking at a divorce attorney, but I have two new kids.

[Co-host/Guest]

Sorry.

[Kate Casey]

Also, Julia says that in the show, she's like, we're going through a hard time. And she says she was pretty transparent.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, our relationship's really difficult.

[Kate Casey]

And usually. And you know, when you're having a really hard time in your marriage, the best thing that you can do is adopt two children.

[Co-host/Guest]

I know.

[Kate Casey]

And put them on reality tv.

[Co-host/Guest]

I know, I know.

[Kate Casey]

That's always. Every marriage counselor will tell you absolutely that if there is cheating on a reality show between you and your spouse, this will definitely bring you guys together. And especially if your spouse has never been a mother and is 68 years old, there's nothing that that woman would rather do than chase after a one and a half year old and three year old that is really gonna help make them.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think the big secret may have been that Adrianna was gonna say, I know the real reason her daughters are not speaking to her about the kids. And I thought now that would be.

[Kate Casey]

Much more painful, which is what they're. They don't want to share inheritance.

[Co-host/Guest]

But I was like, that's what we want to know. But the cheating. I was kind of like, yeah. So it. What day is it of the week? Like, okay, that's not that surprising.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, the daughters are going to come around, but I mean, probably the daughters are just like, mom, you've had like, she's been. She's on.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, you don't even know what the name of the school I went to.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, she doesn't know what. What school she went. Her daughter went to. Never visited whatever she had. You know many men and husbands and fiance. Whatever it was before she met Martina. And then Adrianna says, wait, I just want to get. Okay, so we'll go through this. Here we see them in their colorful outfits, hearing about it, hearing about everything. And so then she says. She keeps saying everything to Andy of what's going on. And they all just did look so beautiful. And then. And this was my favorite part is that Adriana.

[Co-host/Guest]

Oh, my God. You need to talk to her about comedy.

[Kate Casey]

You need about comedy.

[Co-host/Guest]

She's like. She's always, like, three beats behind, and she has props.

[Kate Casey]

Well, listen, I can relate to this wardrobe situation where she put her dress on and was like, I want to get my favorite corset underneath to snatch my waist while I sit on this couch. However, it's not low enough. But no one's going to see it, except when you keep getting up and standing and pointing and everything. So you have the mic and all this stuff. And that's when she walks over and she goes. She says, julia, Julia, whatever your name is. She changed her name, Andy, from Julia to Julia, from Julio to Julia.

[Co-host/Guest]

But he was like, what?

[Kate Casey]

And she goes, here you go. You took my heart, so now you can have it in a box. And they're like, what the.

[Co-host/Guest]

Is this.

[Kate Casey]

What the Jeffrey Dahmer is this, like, fake, crafty heart that's in a wooden box? And I'm like, okay, well, then maybe now I'm thinking you guys were full on lovers. Like, now I do think you're in love with her, but. Because then she also goes back to this night that they're in the Miami rain, and she's like, julia, you taught me what love is. It's genderless. It's this. It's that. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It didn't make sense that you were so weird. And so you're supposed to be my best friend. When I'm like, Alexia and the other girl, that she's mad that Julia's hanging out with Marisol. To me, they've never done anything bad to Adriana. It's like Adriana's, like, fighting a bunch of people that are like, I'm not even mad at you. Like, what?

[Co-host/Guest]

Who cares?

[Kate Casey]

Like. Like, there was no, like, big thing. And anyway, I found her very.

[Co-host/Guest]

My favorite part was when Andy is standing with Alexia. Julia, like, backstage after they take a break.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

And they're all trying to ask Julia, like, well, what all did you do with her?

[Kate Casey]

Sexually?

[Co-host/Guest]

Sexually, like, break it down. And then Kiki, who is so absolutely hilarious walks in and he's like. I'll tell you, I watch a lot of the porn.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

And they. There's so many funny moments.

[Kate Casey]

There's so many funny moments.

[Co-host/Guest]

Juxtaposition that with, like, OC which is unbearably not funny.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. Oh, my God. And then Larsa.

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[Kate Casey]

Larsa and Stephanie are talking about that, and they're like, well, we. We can't top the. The Haitian mortician can't do it. Like, she's just like, are you just like, what are we gonna do about that? Like, I don't know. And they're just, like, laughing, and it does. It shows what I do love about Stephanie. Who's. The new girl? Is. She's like, I'm good with everybody. I truly, like, love all these women. I didn't have a lot of friendships before.

[Co-host/Guest]

I know. I like that part. I feel like she made new friends.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. And she's like, yeah. Alexia and I, we all like each other. So, you know, we still have one more episode to do things. I feel like, you know, Larsa and Lisa, they're gonna be fine. These people. Everyone's gonna be fine. But where do you go when there was a lesbian rendezvous among cast members that aren't happy are still mad at each other?

[Co-host/Guest]

They'll show up to filming. They will.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, you. I think you got to keep them. All right.

[Co-host/Guest]

Of course.

[Kate Casey]

We don't want anyone to go.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't want anyone to go.

[Kate Casey]

But then. Okay, so someone put this in my group anonymously. When Adriana said, andy, there's a spy among us, I did not realize. This is her beauty photo. This is when Julia. I'm guessing this is not a doctored photo, but. Cause this was an anonymous thing.

[Co-host/Guest]

First of all, among. Among is spelled wrong. So I'm having.

[Kate Casey]

I'm so sorry, but she was Ms. USSR. Yes.

[Co-host/Guest]

So she's. She's saying that she's like a.

[Kate Casey]

A Russian spy.

[Co-host/Guest]

A Russian spy. Okay.

[Kate Casey]

In a beauty contest. I think that's true. I think this is real. Anyway.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think we've. We've got a long list of spies that we have to. That we're all looking at right now. I think Julia's probably the lowest on the list. Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

I don't think we're worried about it, really, but it's By. Within the. In the Miami.

[Co-host/Guest]

She's so stealth. She chooses Martina Navratilova.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. And then. No, there's no. There's nothing deceptive about Julia. I think she's. I do think she's a slutty opportunist.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

She's like, that's all. That's all.

[Co-host/Guest]

Just trying to survive.

[Kate Casey]

So this came out today. Katie Rost, who has had a colorful past. She was on Real Housewives of Potomac with Dr. Wendy, and she posted this today. Ashley and I love each other. There is no beef, but she has no couth. I gotta throw a flag. My magical vagina that she told details about. She told Andy Cohen, I have a hamster pussy on national tv. She ate it. So I guess she would know. She is just a hater.

[Co-host/Guest]

But why is she just a hater?

[Kate Casey]

We love you, Wendy.

[Co-host/Guest]

Why is there a photo of Ashley with her mother below? That's what she chose to comment on.

[Kate Casey]

It's really weird because I guess Ashley somehow was not be. Was kind of laughing about the potomac arrest of Dr. Wendy. So then Katie comes out of the woodwork to defend.

[Co-host/Guest]

Well, I saw Katie defending Wendy first. And so maybe that was just like, her loyalty coming out.

[Kate Casey]

But also like, okay, hamster. When did she. And what an awful description. I mean, a hamster.

[Co-host/Guest]

Bless me. I'm like, that sounds awful. Yes.

[Kate Casey]

And then she said, she. She ate it. So I guess she would know. She is just a hater. Okay, well, also, Ashley has said in an interview recently, I'm dating both men and women. She's been openly bisexual this entire time, and now so is Real Housewife Atlanta. Portia says, I'm dating both men and women.

[Co-host/Guest]

Again. I don't think with this kind of stuff, people are like, okay.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, I feel like in, like, two years, someone's gonna be like, and then you ate me out. We're gonna be like, what? It was, like, really kind of juicy when, like, with the Vanderpump girls, when they were doing that sometimes, like, that.

[Co-host/Guest]

Was like, so many years ago.

[Kate Casey]

And Ariana and then also Kristen Doty. There was, I think the only people.

[Co-host/Guest]

That really cared about that were the guys that watch Banner Pump Rules. Because I just think women are kind of like.

[Kate Casey]

But to me, I don't know. I've never in my friend group known somebody that's married to men and go down on each other.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So if it happened in my real life, I would be like, hit me over with a feather. I would be so shocked. But now I was like, when it.

[Co-host/Guest]

Was happening on tv, that you're just sort of like.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, when it was happening with the Vanderpump girls, I was like, well, I think, yeah, with younger people, this is more common when you're getting High and drunk and I don't know, just happens, happens like it's like a Vegas thing. I don't know what it is but.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like now I think that is just like someone just trying to good for them retaliate.

[Kate Casey]

Okay, now, new report on this is from the Hollywood Reporter. Amy Bradley. That is one of the biggest docs that happened this year. This is the young girl that went missing over 25 years ago off of a Carnival cruise ship which she shared a room with her parents and her college age brother. She had just graduated from college and they've been looking for her for years. And you interviewed the producers of this doc?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And you definitely think she's alive?

[Co-host/Guest]

I do think she was alive.

[Kate Casey]

I do.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think she lived for a long time. Now we should preface this is that we have a long history of disagreeing about true crime cases and rather than being angry about it, I think it's absolutely hilarious.

[Kate Casey]

We listen you can have different views and actually still be friends.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like it.

[Kate Casey]

You can agree to disagree.

[Co-host/Guest]

Makes me laugh so hard. So when you were like, no, she's been, she wasn't trafficked. She jumped off the boat. I couldn't stop laughing.

[Kate Casey]

I accidentally fell.

[Co-host/Guest]

I was like, of course. Like we, of course.

[Kate Casey]

So, and I, and I, you know what, obviously I hope that she's alive or comes out of the woodwork and she just happened to never have a Netflix subscription this whole time or seen the numerous reports about her or seen the posters or whatever and because she's so embarrassed that she was trafficked and doesn't want her family to know that even though they were not happy that she was a. A in a lesbian relationship, that it would have been worse if she was sleeping with men as a trafficked. I just don't believe the whole thing. I just don't.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay. And I just, I absolutely believe that she was taken.

[Kate Casey]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

And I've been following this case for decades and I've believed from the very beginning that she was taken off that ship. Okay. So there has been new information that's come forward that I wanted to make sure that you noted. Okay. Number one, IP address hits on that website. It's. They found a boat off the coast of the western part of Barbados that they have been looking into.

[Kate Casey]

What do you mean? Wait, someone's living off of on a boat?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yes. And the pinging of the IP address for the Amy Bradley is missing website, it's suspect and that happens to be in an area that has high drug and sex trafficking.

[Kate Casey]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay. Number two, during the Documentary. There was. Or there was discussion. I don't know if it. I don't think it made it to the documentary because they couldn't track this woman down. But there was a bartender, a female bartender who didn't speak English that well, who had said, senorita kidnapped the day. That morning after. She was. She was, or she disappeared. That woman has now come forward. The man that was doing the video of the. The nightclub where she was dancing in the documentary says, I was told to get rid of that. That video. He has now named who that person was. They told him, and that person is in the documentary. He was like, head of the boat. A fourth thing is, they have now reason to believe that there is a child. Amy does have a child. So, I mean, she would have to have been taken off the boat to have had a child. Correct.

[Kate Casey]

So what do you think happened?

[Co-host/Guest]

I think she probably had been talking to someone about doing some sort of drug. It could have been as simple as marijuana. And I think she went to her room. I think she had a second wind. She went out, she met somebody, and somehow got off the boat, either on her own accord or with somebody pushing her. And then she's off the boat and then immediately realizes, I don't know how to get. Like, I'm in a bad situation. And I think when women are trafficked, they are given a prodigious amount of drugs. They are raped, they are tortured, and they're not only coping with trying to get off the drugs, but they don't know how to get home. They don't know how to get help. And there's also the psychological torture of the. Of the person that has taken them. And if you had a baby with someone that raped you, then you would also feel a sense of need to stay there. And I do think there's an incredible amount of shame that comes with victims. And unless we've been through that experience, we really wouldn't be able to understand it. There are enough people that have had thrown up red flags in this case that I think there's enough reason to pursue it. And the fact that the FBI has put a new special agent. I mean, they've been to Capitol Hill since this has come out. So I think it all is pointing to. There's enough information to lead us to believe that she lived past the day that she disappeared.

[Kate Casey]

Okay, very good. I disagree. I don't think that you are a target for trafficking when you are sharing a bedroom with your parents and your brother on a ship and you have a sensible Haircut and you wear Birkenstocks.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't think they like look at.

[Kate Casey]

Certain haircuts and I'm saying they're like.

[Co-host/Guest]

You got the look that we're looking for.

[Kate Casey]

Saying I don't think. And I don't. And I think if this was a thing of happening of people being trafficked and getting off the boat, there would be along with her missing. Are these eight, ten other women.

[Co-host/Guest]

I'm sure that during that time. Well, there was a.

[Kate Casey]

People didn't look for their relatives.

[Co-host/Guest]

There was a couple that has come forward and said that just after Amy disappeared, that same man, Yellow, had been trying to get her to get off the boat too. And she has pictures with him on the boat. And that girl was only 13 at the time. So I do think it was happening, but I don't think a lot of people have.

[Kate Casey]

Do you think there's any strength to come forward? Do you think there's any chance that the pinging that's coming is her however she. Is it an okay place?

[Co-host/Guest]

It's possible.

[Kate Casey]

But is sitting back. Is it ever possible that someone is okay and sees their family or their loved ones or their husband or their mother begging for them to call and they just are like, this is fun. I fucking hate you and you can worry about me for the rest of my life?

[Co-host/Guest]

Because I do think I've covered a lot of true crime docs where there is, there are people that kind of disappear and it's, it's, I mean the.

[Kate Casey]

Size like a Sherry Papini.

[Co-host/Guest]

So is it possible?

[Kate Casey]

Can someone really be sitting back for years? I don't think it's. And be like, I just like to go on that website as my, you know, to see what it is. Just to see, you know, if they're still looking for me or whatever.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's possible. I just don't think in this case.

[Kate Casey]

I think this case is a money making case as far as entertainment value. I think it's, there's certain true crime cases that you go into a network and you say there's a new wrinkle on the JonBenet and it's an angle that the guy that whatever, you just come up with one tiny new wrinkle and we have another person that's going to be interviewed and they're like, yeah, we know. Just like someone that does an article about Taylor Swift knows. As long as we say Taylor Swift got a new bra, whatever, that the clickbait is going to go there. It's, it's, that's all you need. And that is why there's so many docs about O.J. so many docs about JonBenet.

[Co-host/Guest]

There weren't really that many about Amy Bradley, actually.

[Kate Casey]

Yes, There were date lines, 2000s, and there was not that many.

[Co-host/Guest]

Trust me. When they announced it, I was excited because I thought, thankfully, they're finally gonna put the muscle into it. I'm hopeful. I really am.

[Kate Casey]

All right.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Oh, going back.

[Co-host/Guest]

Apartment 300, 603. What happened to Allen Greenberg on Hulu?

[Kate Casey]

Well, I started to watch it.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

And this girl. This girl, she's a teacher. She's not loving her job as a teacher, but she says the boyfriend, the fiance, is in their nice apartment. Millie, in Brooklyn or wherever it was. Was it Brooklyn? Where was it?

[Co-host/Guest]

No, it was in Manayunk, outside of Philadelphia.

[Kate Casey]

Philly. Philly, yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

He's at the gym inside the apartment complex. He comes back up, and this latch is on the door, and he can't get in.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So he's, like, trying to get in. He's annoyed. He gets in, and she's in the kitchen, and she has. He says, oh, my God, she stabbed herself. And so it's like, did he kill her? Was this suicide? This doesn't make sense. No one stabs themselves. Suicide. What? We never. We never found out what happened.

[Co-host/Guest]

Well, yeah, the problem is, is that the. The police, they came up with their initial report, and then they switched it to suicide. So the whole story is sort of like, how perplexing. Why did they switch it? And what I think the really big question. Is there a political influence? Because the family of the fiance was close friends with the governor, and did that have some sort of influence?

[Kate Casey]

But how would he. Okay, so if he was responsible for her death, how did he get the latch of the door to shut after he killed her?

[Co-host/Guest]

Because in the documentary, the building manager says that there is this thing in that building with doors that if you walk out the door and, like, slam it from behind, that the doors sometimes latch back. Oh, yeah. Well, so I think. I think if you want to watch it, it's an important story because I think it sheds a light on political influence in true crime cases.

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[Co-host/Guest]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. Oh yeah, and we were fired up about this one.

[Kate Casey]

We have this mother who this is from Bravo Celebrities. The way Bronwyn's mom spoke to her, it's actually hurt. It actually hurt to watch.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So Bronwyn is a newer cast member. She's married to an older guy. She has one daughter who's 18 and that daughter she gave birth to while she was at BYU and not married, which is a big deal in the Mormon culture. But this wasn't like 1926, this was 18 years ago. And the mother is now living with her while they. While her father, who has Alzheimer's, is in a home. The mother, I mean, I hope she doesn't live with her forever. It seems like she's gonna live with.

[Co-host/Guest]

Her forever kind of.

[Kate Casey]

And now here's what I want to say about this scene. Cause it's so disturbing.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

To anybody that watched it, she comes off as a complete and total bitch. The mother, she's still saying, one moment. The Bronwyn's like, I guess her sister was pregnant at the same time, but the sister was married. And they were at a baby store to buy something for her sister who was pregnant. And the woman at the store goes, oh, and you're gonna buy. She's gonna be buying you some stuff for your baby, too. And she's like, no, just for my sister. Which was weird because, I mean, she's keeping the child. And then she's like, well, Bronwyn, you don't know how hard it was for me when all of a sudden you just wanted to use me as a daycare. And I'm like, it was bizarre that she wasn't at this time. Like, I know it was hard for us. It wasn't what I saw for you. It was embarrassing since we were big in the church. But, of course, Gwen is the greatest blessing ever. There was no moment of that. However, could it be that there were those moments and it was edited out?

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't think so.

[Kate Casey]

I don't think so either. But there is a chance. There is a chance that at one moment, the mom's like, now the mom's not on TV star. She's not a reality star. She's told, okay, we're gonna film, and I'm gonna. And now I'm faced with this uncomfortable stuff, and she's just. I'm just playing devil's advocate just because everybody, like, wants to put this woman at the stake as the worst mother on earth.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And I'm like, I'm just saying this is an edited show, and maybe she really is that awful, but maybe she really, like, was a really good grandmother to Gwen, but is, like, looking back and is like, well, you're asking me these questions. And, yeah, it was like, I wasn't ready to, like, have to take care of her child all day. Like, I'm still. I don't know. It was off. It was an awful, awful, awful scene. But I just thought to myself, I mean, we. These shows, you know, the. The wife agrees to do it. Her husband is always portrayed horribly, which is why Todd is suing. Bravo. You're. You know, oftentimes you put your kids in a bad position where they're misbehaved. And we watch it for the next 15 years and remember that this kid was a little shit at 15. And then there's. And now you put, like, an elderly Person on whether it's Sutton's mom or her or whatever. And they come off really horribly, but they are probably horrible. But still.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. But I kind of loved it, because you could tell I kind of look at these situations as like, playing the long game.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

Where Bronwyn probably felt like she had the most power that she's ever had in her life. Having a camera there in the home where this woman is now living. Her daughter is now 18. She's probably feels the most centered that she's ever felt. And she let her display her ignorance and her cruelty, and she has no one that can save her because it's out there. And she. No one's going to hide for her anymore. Her husband, her other kids. Like, you've been a horrible person to your daughter, and now you have to make up for it.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, but that is why I think women go on Real Housewives shows.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think so.

[Kate Casey]

Most times it's, I'm going to show the world what an asshole my husband is. One or two things just going to happen. He's going to watch it and beg for mercy, or we're going to get divorced. And still everyone will think will know what an asshole he is. So now she did the exact same thing with her mom. Okay, fine. Then get her the fuck out of your house. Like, I just felt for me watching Bronwyn, I'm like, I just wanted Bronwyn to, like, if I just. I felt for her, I was like, oh, my God, now you have your daughter and her boyfriend living there. You have angry Todd who doesn't enjoy the cameras there, and this mean mother.

[Co-host/Guest]

Her daughter lives with her. She needs a buffer.

[Kate Casey]

Right. But I mean, if I was.

[Co-host/Guest]

She doesn't have the strength to her mother. But I think people watch that and they were jarred by it because they may have that same kind of relationship where you have this emotional tethering. I wonder if in a year or.

[Kate Casey]

Two, Bronwyn is just gonna be living the single life completely. Like, I'm done with my parents. I'm done with my kid. Not done. But, like, she's gone on her own.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

I don't have to. My parents are in a place where I don't have to be with them every day. And if she's still in love with Todd, great. But maybe that won't last forever. And, like, oh, my God. Like. But now she's got a case that we're gonna see about that came up about her fraud. She had some fraud case come up. Bronwyn.

[Co-host/Guest]

But that's why I like the origin stories like meeting the parents. Because now that I have met the weird mom, if there are things in her past legal issues, at least I have more context. Like she was desperate. She doesn't have the financial and emotional support of her parents during the most vulnerable, precious time of a trans transformational point of a woman's life. And then if she. That gives her an open door to go. I made some really poor decisions. And here's why. Because this is what happened to me. You know what if I had met another. I don't know if I would have another seen it as much.

[Kate Casey]

I have another thought about this now that just popped in my mind. I think this is all kind of really awful for Gwen. It really is. Last season it was all about how the father who died young of like a car accident, that his parents never wanted anything to do with her. And now she's giving full proof again for her daughter to see that her own parents weren't happy about her pregnancy. And like normally even a mother daughter who like hate each other, it's like the baby comes and that grandmother is overly involved or wants, you know, and sometimes the mom is like, oh my God, grandma, like, you're not gonna get custody of my kid. Leave me alone. This is just no wonder the girl has a boyfriend who she's living with at 18. No one should be living with their boyfriend at 18. But like what?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah, I know, but it's all like, I'm so effed up.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, it's very grateful.

[Co-host/Guest]

I watch it because it opens all these conversations like what were was your relationship with your parents? Like? And then how did it challenge you in certain life circumstances? And do you still talk to your parents? And if you don't, why? That's why I love these shows so much because it does not. This conversation and situation may not appear in movies because we're like, no movies are made for like 20 year olds or like 55 year old men.

[Kate Casey]

No, I mean this is why it was juicy. Like it was super juicy. Sad, disturbing, awful.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's good that Gwen's not really on the show though.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, I'm sure she doesn't want to be.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Okay. Real Housewives of O.C. emily is doing the Innocence Project, which is a really great cause. And we're going to have some espresso martinis with Shane and we're going to have a western theme party. And here they have these men with their shirts off celebrating the fact that this guy was just in prison with men. For 30 years.

[Co-host/Guest]

Little tone deaf.

[Kate Casey]

It's a little tough. Like, they just got out of prison. And it's like, he just got out of prison. But to make some. Hey, guys, take a photo with these hot dogs.

[Co-host/Guest]

Let's do some line dancing.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, let's do some line dancing.

[Co-host/Guest]

And then all these parties, too, on reality tv, it's like you get, like, a personalized cowboy hat. It's like they always, like, remember the ax throwing?

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's always like a group. They, like, hang on to it. Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

So they make some money at the event. Then I have a photo of this.

[Co-host/Guest]

Guy, and I'm just like, what is that going on?

[Kate Casey]

This guy's outfit. He was line dancing, and I just was. I saw this and I was like, okay, which of the housewives did he slide into their DMs to get invited to this?

[Co-host/Guest]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate Casey]

And now he's, by the way, old friends.

[Co-host/Guest]

All of those guys are best friends of the housewives. Like, yeah, like.

[Kate Casey]

And then. Oh, you can come to the Innocence Project. And he's dancing around. And then, of course, Shannon's doing her shtick, trying to dance. And I like to dance. Okay, how long are we going to get? Is anyone going to get tired of the comedic shtick of Shannon? I mean, when you think. When you watch an old episode of it.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Back when she was married.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

There was none of this, like, weird goofiness. Like, it.

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[Co-host/Guest]

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[Kate Casey]

It's the same way when, like, I.

[Co-host/Guest]

Said, we were just like, wait, why do you have all those lemons in a bowl and you have stuff in your ceiling and you go to this weird doctor named Dr. Moon. That was kind of what filled that space. But now she did. She does kind of. She can be performative, for sure.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. Very. For. And, like, it's kind of like where people would go back and show clips of Britney, of Vanderpump and Valley, which, I mean, I like her a lot, but, like, her accent wasn't that strong. Now, maybe in the beginning she was hiding the accent because she was embarrassed by it. Or maybe it's because she's been so close to her mom that she's like, picked it up again. But it is kind of funny where it's like, you know. Cause I remember she would start to say people's, you know, last name Shannon Beador, and then, you know, I'm assuming they were like, hey, make sure you. That's funny that you always say someone's last name and she says, then says it about herself and, you know, does her whole thing. But, you know, here she's trying to dance, you know, and getting her. Trying to do her dancing.

[Co-host/Guest]

Can I just tell you, I was at a restaurant about four weeks ago and her dad came in. Shannon's dad. Yeah, Gene. And he walks in with a friend and they sat behind me.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

And they called Shannon on speaker in a very busy restaurant. And I heard the whole conversation.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

But that's kind of made me realize, like, she's so much like her dad. Yeah. Like, it's like that. So those scenes are pretty funny. But he was like. Needed her for everything. I wish they showed that part of it her life.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

Because everyone's like, oh, you're so pathetic. Not pathetic, but like, aren't you sad your kids are gone? But having been witness to that, I'm like, I think she has to help with her dad a lot. He was the phone. His friend had the phone up like this, raised at the table. And they were like, shannon, how do you do this? How do you do that? And she's like, what? I can't hear you. You're at a restaurant. And I just was like, I'm inside of an episode. So I think she's actually totally at last, like maybe turning into her dad.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. And also older people do prefer speakerphone because it is harder to hear than if you put it up to your ear.

[Co-host/Guest]

But.

[Kate Casey]

But anyway, so it, you know, it was fun. Tamarind and Gretchen, you know, don't have their face to face. It's going to continue. They're going to Amsterdam next week and they're.

[Co-host/Guest]

That's going to be the big episode that everyone's talking about, right? Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

They go to like a color be mine for dildos. That's going to be make your own dildo.

[Co-host/Guest]

Wow.

[Kate Casey]

So that'll be fun. And. Yeah. So whose idea was that to go to Amsterdam?

[Co-host/Guest]

No, the idea for the Color Me Mine dildo place. Like, whose idea was that?

[Kate Casey]

I don't know if it's Color me Mine dildo. I think it's like, make your own dildo or whatever. It's just, you know.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay.

[Kate Casey]

It's a pretty good thing to do on a TV show. Okay, now. Oh, my gosh. Worst divorce ever.

[Co-host/Guest]

I know.

[Kate Casey]

Denise Richards divorcing Aaron Pfeiffers.

[Co-host/Guest]

Pfeiffers, Pfeiffer, Pfeiffer. She should never have married him. Based on that last name alone. What a nightmare. Began with a lot.

[Kate Casey]

He had the audacity to say that well, he's denying all physical abuse, of course. And he just says that she bruises easily.

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay. She's got an iron deficiency. Okay. Aaron, he's the worst.

[Kate Casey]

He's the worst.

[Co-host/Guest]

And you go back in time and all those women hated him. And you can tell I feel bad looking back too, because what do you like, what do you do when you know someone is in a bad relationship and you're like, there's nothing I can do. It has to be their choice to leave.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

And she would just freak out on you if you said anything bad about him. But, like, he showed displayed crazy signs from the very beginning. And the fact that his family was living in that house all the time. Her house. Talk about grifters. Yeah, what a bunch of grifters.

[Kate Casey]

He's the worst. Oh, just a reminder, everybody. I'll be at the MGM grand on November 14, so get your [e-mail] you can also join my Patreon there. Okay, a little update with the Blake Lively situation.

[Co-host/Guest]

Don't you feel like this case has gone on for 19 years?

[Kate Casey]

And it's another one of those things that I think people are like, lost interest in. Kind of like our audiences. But anyway, Blake Lively's proposed. It ends with us contract reveals six figure bonus plan. If she had won an Oscar for.

[Co-host/Guest]

Her role, that's presumptuous to believe you're gonna get an Oscar nomination.

[Kate Casey]

But also, I don't think that's that crazy or that weird. I don't know if they. I don't think. I think it's juicy. I don't think it means anything if in doing the contract, whether she asked for it or not, maybe she's someone like, yeah, I'm going to do all I can to get eyes on this, and I'm gonna do the best job I can. And that's a goal setting for me.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't know. I just think it would have been highly unlikely that that movie would have ever been nominated for any kind of award. It's. I don't know, maybe if it was Jessica Chastain, I'd go, yeah, you deserve the extra $600,000. But Blake Lively.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, but everybody. But when you start living being this actress, you're always thinking of, what is that role? I mean, people would look for a.

[Co-host/Guest]

Role I know of, like, but there's between the Blake Lively's and the Jessica Chastain's. So then I'm like looking at the people that encircle you who make you believe that you have A. Like a chance at an Oscar.

[Kate Casey]

Well, then what a great deal then you don't have any chance of an Oscar. Okay, so you're gonna get a million dollars more if you get an Oscar. No, I'm bringing it.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think the team who's writing up the contract is like, okay, yeah.

[Kate Casey]

But I think that's kind of a great win. Win. Like, it's no money off her back if you don't get it. And if you get it, more people will then be inclined to watch it. Well, sure.

[Co-host/Guest]

If it happens and you have to.

[Kate Casey]

Win, it wasn't just to be nominated. Like, you'd actually have to have won it.

[Co-host/Guest]

I feel like that's like me saying I'm gonna win the Olympic roller skating challenge. Like, I like, Right. Come on.

[Kate Casey]

I just thought it was kind of interesting thing because I'm like, I know I've been in, like, a room with a couple people throughout my life, different times where they're trying to get the rights to a role because they're like, this will be my Oscar nom. If I play this real life person, if I'm ever gonna get one. I think I can embody that person and get to that place. Even though I maybe am a comedic actor or whatever. You know, I mean, there is that thing when you get to a certain place in your career where you're like, what are the things that I could get that could ever get me in the nomination?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

I mean, people are saying, like, Jennifer Lopez. This Kiss of the spider Woman. Yeah, this might be the thing. It wasn't the Hustler, which I was always like.

[Co-host/Guest]

But do you think that the entertainment lawyers go out for drinks and then they sort of swap stories and they're like, let me tell you what my client was thinking. I mean, that would be a conversation I'd like to overhear. Yeah. Like, the stuff that.

[Kate Casey]

Right into the contest, instead of Shannon B. Doors dad asking how to.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like this, he was like, shannon.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, it was Archie. I'm trying to talk to your grandpa. No. Oh, my God. Interesting. Would you ever want to climb Mount Everest?

[Co-host/Guest]

No.

[Kate Casey]

Have you heard about all the Mount Everest talk that's been happening?

[Co-host/Guest]

I feel like I see videos of people and they're, like, shaking and losing their minds. I'm like, why? Why do this?

[Kate Casey]

So there's like, this whole, like, trend going on where all of a sudden people are really talking about Mount Everest, showing videos or whatever, because they. They feel that in this last one where people were stuck up there, though, they all did get home okay. People really started to analyze, like, what a selfish thing this is to try to climb to the top of Mount Everest. Not only is it super expensive, it's expensive because you have these people that.

[Co-host/Guest]

Have to go that. Sure.

[Kate Casey]

How do you pronounce the Sherpas?

[Co-host/Guest]

Sherpas.

[Kate Casey]

Sherpas that help you do it. And this is their livelihood. This is, like, what they do. Yet they're risking their lives also to get you on and off the mountain. And there's video of, like, where people would be, like, climbing a mountain, and you just see someone, like, fall off of it, but you can't go and save them, otherwise you're gonna die.

[Co-host/Guest]

Like, it was just nightmare.

[Kate Casey]

Nothing I'd ever want to do. And, Yeah, I just thought it. I just.

[Co-host/Guest]

It is.

[Kate Casey]

It is a. It is a crazy thing. And I don't know. And then someone else has said, if you could climb Mount Everest, and they. Someone would, and it's something you want to do and you want. But you can never tell anybody that you climbed Mount Everest. Oh, they would never do it. And you could never take a photo, and you could never forget it.

[Co-host/Guest]

No one would do it.

[Kate Casey]

I will never understand.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think we live in a time where people are like, how do I go viral? Like, how do I look better than my friends on social media? I'm gonna go to climb Mount Everest, and then I'm gonna do a whole video series about my whole experience. I think it's, like, outdoing one after another. It's. It's absurd. Next it's gonna be, like, people on, like, skyscrapers, like, doing the tightrope. It's like people have lost their minds.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah. People have all done that, and people are dying. I wonder if there'll be a way soon that you can fake climbing Mount Everest. Not through AI but you know how, like, sometimes people would do that with, like. Like, running a marathon?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yes.

[Kate Casey]

And they would just join. Yeah, they just join the thing. Like, I wonder if you could just, like, do that somehow. Like, like, okay, we're going to drop you off over here. And then you're going to be like, oh, hey. And then, like, you join.

[Co-host/Guest]

You're like.

[Kate Casey]

You go around the corner and your helicopter, like, picks you up or whatever.

[Co-host/Guest]

Take the picture at the peak.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah, probably all this. All these kind of things. Just.

[Co-host/Guest]

I'm like, can you imagine the obituary of the person that did the tightrope and that's how they died? And of the person who had to write it? Like, this idiot wanted so badly to make it past A hundred thousand followers that they came up with this cockamane plan. They didn't know what they were doing.

[Kate Casey]

This is what happens when you act like you like hiking with a guy, and the next thing you know, 10 years later, you're like, I am. So how do I get out of this thing?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Kate Casey]

Like, don't lie about wanting to go hike extreme hikes. Don't say you like camping if you don't.

[Co-host/Guest]

Don't say you want to go snorkeling if you get panic attacks. Like, stop.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

Just be authentically yourself. I want to just stay home and watch Netflix.

[Kate Casey]

Yes.

[Co-host/Guest]

It's a better long game plan to just be upfront about all the things you don't want to do.

[Kate Casey]

Okay, tell me, what are we supposed to be watching this week?

[Co-host/Guest]

Okay. If you like basketball, watch Starting Five on Netflix that follows five NBA players. And they're all really likable. And you don't even have to love basketball to watch it. If you like football, watch two of them. Saquon on Amazon prime about Saquon Barkley, who plays for the Eagles. God bless. Thank you. And there's also the many lives of Lane Kiffin. Do you remember when he was a coach at usc? No. It was during the Reggie Bush era.

[Kate Casey]

Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

He's now at Ole Miss, and they made ESPN made a doc about him, and he's sober now, so it's kind of an interesting life story. Okay. True Crime, the Perfect Neighbor on Netflix later this week. And then Love is Blind. The episodes are absolutely bonkers. They're not exceptionally attractive, the people. Yes. However, there are a lot of weird characters that are a lot to unpack. And I also kind of like the Victoria Beckham doc series on Netflix.

[Kate Casey]

She has a whole series?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. It kind of follows.

[Kate Casey]

What do you think happened to his face? Just filler. David Beckham got, like, extra filler.

[Co-host/Guest]

I think that his doctor was probably like, well, you know what Tom Cruise is doing and just kind of made it up. And then, like, try it out, something. It'll settle down.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

But when you watch that series, they feel like they really are a good couple.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

I don't know what's going on with his one, their one son and the weird wife, and they all hate each other now. But I think Victoria and David are pretty solid.

[Kate Casey]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

She does talk about it in the series that she has struggled with an ED disorder.

[Kate Casey]

Victoria Beckham does.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah. I was surprised that she talked about. And then there was one other one, and now I'm. It's like slipping my mind. Well, and then you can get that@KateCasey substock.com Every Monday I give you a list of what to watch. So if you're like, oh God, what do I watch this week? I always have tons of options for you.

[Kate Casey]

Yes. And then she interviews lots of the filmmakers, the documentarians. That's kind of like your vibe along with everything else. And following all the fun stuff that we do too here. So everyone follow Kate Casey and check out her podcast, Reality Life with Kate Casey. And yeah, we will be talking all the time. Love you.

[Co-host/Guest]

Love you.

[Kate Casey]

Bye.

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